Red Scare - Vax Scene

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

The ladies discuss Trump and RFK Jr.'s public health battles and more.

We're back, all the things are you said, running through my head. We're back. We're back. We're back. Welcome to our unlistenable podcast. Oops. Damn. Just kidding. I feel like this has happened before I'm getting deja vu. The other night, I know. The other night I was drunk and I typed,

What Makes Red Scare the best podcast into chat? GPT. And it like gave me some AI-ass response. And I was like, do you want me to tell you what the critics say? And I was like, no I was like actually tell me why it's the best podcast give it to me I made some points

honestly about why this is the best podcast what did it say that it's unique that's true we don't have all the facts because we spread misinformation but also details about our personal lives which really draws people in to develop the parissocial attachment

true and then they get to feel like they're listening to their friends or people they hate yes same difference most people do hate their friends so and themselves and themselves and that way it really resonates with people because yeah there's a masochistic angle to it as well um uh welcome back to the best podcast the best podcast in america i'm doing the power of positive thing thing. I'm like, your radio show is great. Shop by day. Red Scare podcast by night. I was going down the rabbit hole of another Tim Ferriss video where the comments were like, is he okay? I'm really concerned about him. He's some tech influencer who makes like videos and

podcasts about how to be successful and efficient. And it's unclear what he actually did. to become successful and efficient. He just mostly talks about his like stack of tools and products that he uses to be successful and efficient. So like after being exposed to him enough times, I really owe women an apology because I'm always annoyed at dumb foids for like narrativizing their experience and talking about their makeup tutorials and like sex tips and tricks because it's like tedious and boring and you're, like particularizing the universal and making it about yourself but in some ways this is

extremely forgivable in women because it's like innate and harmless but in a man it's just revolting I mean I love the makeup tutorials yeah yeah it's fine like let's go what are you girls I'm sorry you got this this is for you it just it's like it's like Patrick Bateman you know like well the internet's for girls and gays we've always said that they it's really kind of an effeminate yeah and faggot space but yeah like the reason it's for cissies it is true and to see men really engage with it's for girls and gays and straight men who want to be cisified into truning out i mean it's one of the things i truly love about my husband is that he doesn't go online one person in the relationship needs to be offline definitely both of you can't be

Ideally both, but if one of you is handicapped, then if one of you has a sickness, then it's nice for your spouse. I'm so like internet poison that it doesn't even occur to me that both people in the relationship could also just be off the line. But okay, but one is better than none. Like you can't date somebody who's as online as you. Definitely not. Not sustainable. And like, but the whole lure of Patrick Bateman. a character right is that like it's like estranging the mundane because um his like finicky

pretentiousness psychotic and vanity and psychosis is like unusual in a straight male and it wouldn't work if the character was a gay guy or a woman that's true it'd just be a documentary yeah so that's why that's why encountering this guy who by the way is like he's part of like the the huberman extended universe and he's he fell off like many years ago I guess he says alcohol is bad for you yeah and like get your son get your steps take supplements like all this annoying bullshit shut up use this like medieval bed of nail type yoga mat that you have to travel with it Dan Aligretto uses yeah I remember when Dan Alagretto got wasted and fell asleep on the mat and had like bizarre medieval injuries the following day but um yeah and it's like he travels with all this annoying bullshit like um an aeropress and like a thermal flask and the mat and a foam roller and like stress balls where is he even going where is he traveling and all of it is to like um you

know all of it is to like um kind of like iron out his the knots in his body and massage out his muscles like so you're in a world of pain at all times you're in a world of existential pain that you've converted it's like a somatic his physical pain his fibromyalgia so when i look at a guy like that i'm like oh my god i've been so hard on women not so bad they're fine but the point the reason i bring him up is that all the comments under this particular video was like we're like oh it's so unusual he's like he he must be down bad I'm concerned. I hope he finds peace. I hope he's well. And they were so kind and generous. And I was like, oh yeah, people do that for us too, except in a, in a, um, sneering ironic way

because they actually wish misery and death of on us. Her hair is falling out. I hope her husband's cheating on her. Her baby daddy is gay. I hope she dies. Her son is going to trune out. We have well-wishers. I hope you get raped by a pack of boop. No, we do, we do. The silent majority. You know, we do have a vocal,

critic base. But the kind of like basis of the behavior is the same, which is parasyality. Yeah. Which admittedly, as a podcaster, is confounding, baffling to me, because I find it hard to maintain parasocial dynamics with anyone because I don't really care about other people,

let alone celebrities and micro-celebrities that much outside of people who are like my friends and family. I'm a little invested in Dave Blunts in his life because it's a big motif in his songs. And I really want him to get healthy so you can keep making music. You should start leaving abusive comments under his... Yeah, he has haters, same fun of him, for being fat and having to sit down on stage and stuff.

But I can't stand to see him win. Yeah. Well, what can he do? He can't really stand. He's working on it. He's getting better. Yeah, but he keeps saying that. I don't know.

I was, he was, he was resonating with me a lot before I went to the hospital. And now I really relate to his, the, being in the hospital. And I'm like, this is the truest music. I already kind of felt his pain in a, you know, yeah. Existential way, but I know that we've had some of the same experiences with difficulty breathing and being hospitalized. And being addicted to Benzo. Why not George Floyd?

He doesn't do it for you. Well, he doesn't take. He's not that bad. he seems like he probably stays out the hospital he does he's dead now yeah yeah I just want him back it's just not as much of a talent

right all around yeah yeah Dave Blunts is so sweet you know his real name is Davion Blessing oh he changed that Dave Blunts is called Zeno But yeah, it's not short for David. His name is Davion.

Yeah, okay. On bad. Black people do be throwing you that kind of curveball where you think they have like their nickname. Like David Blunt. I thought his name was David Bluntz. It's like some other. Davian blessing, beautiful.

It's like some rapper name like Joe Lina's name is like Josafria. Josiciel But yeah, besides that, that he just came to mind when you said parisocial, because I do find myself kind of like thinking about if he's going to get solar back and she ran away from his love and stuff. Yeah, but that's like kind of semi-ironic and semi-a-bit. I believe that you're a fascination with him is genuine.

I'm also like fascinated by certain people. I feel like our haters also convince themselves that they're, or like, come boys, you know, they're like, I'm a comedian too, like my best friend Nick Moll. It's all just one funny joke, but besides that, I really don't care. Yeah, really. Or there was someone I recently. I forget, it'll come to me. Oh, not Nick Fuentes.

I don't care so much about his personal life, but I do have, I don't care about his personal life. I do have an emotional kind of, because I watch America First late at night. It is, I do have kind of like a wind down, like emotional attachment.

You're going to meme yourself into being horny for Fuentes. No, no, no. But I get it. Yeah, I don't. I don't care about his personal life, not, I don't mean that in a shady way at all. I just like don't give a shit. And I actually like, like I said, what I find most relatable about him is that he's like, I'm a fuck up and a misfit, not relatable and you don't want to be like me.

And you should not follow my example. Yeah. But you should listen to some of the things I say because I have some critical distance and detachment and I've really thought about these things. Right. Well, he was sick this week And he's so on I hope he dies

Telegram he said I'm sick I'm not going to do a show tonight And then I did and that is parasycial Where I'm like I'm like he's sick and he's not going to do a show tonight And then I'm like you need to relax You need to You can't get upset that America First isn't going to be on tonight

You have to just move on when people are like those red scare girls their show's so terrible and the episodes are so short and they put them out so infrequently wait do they really say the episodes are short I think they're a little too long if you ask me sometimes well our last one we cut short

and I saw someone maybe on Patreon the last one was almost an hour 40 that's pretty healthy that's solid it's because we got into the rhythm of doing the two our ones because we get drunk and start like rambling but like you don't need that shit what you're complaining about hour 30 is a good length for a podcast I know an hour is serviceable but that's parisote that's perisocial they want more I know that's true they're like why what else say what great what great thoughts have you had this week um well we

I feel like we haven't actually done an episode in a little while. It feels like a lot of time. It feels like a while, but I want to say it's been a little over a week. I like, because last episode, there wasn't a lot in the news cycle. That's what we were talking about little boo-boos and stuff.

Right. But now, well, over Labor Day weekend, people were saying Trump was dead. Right. But he's not at all. He's completely alive.

He's completely fine. And like, that's crazy also. Don't scare me. that because he was gone for what like two three days yeah it's because he's been so present yeah but i didn't disappear for weeks months and and we have it confirmed yeah that he was fully like had dementia and was being elder abused and didn't know where he was and was on ambient and stuff like we that's projection uh and trump is sharp his mind yeah yeah

What was that? Okay, can you, I'm retarded and like out to lunch lately. And can you explain that whole discourse about him having visible foundation on his hand? He has bruising on his hands, because he's a really old man. Yeah. And he probably gets some kind of infute. I mean, it's not implausible that he would have some kind of health problems or feel burnt out or unwell sometimes. Yes. He's old as fuck.

some kind of injections or they're drawing blood or blah blah blah they're needles yeah but yeah it looked like he came out of a Sephora and then I was reading that that image was like fake or doctored right that's always the thing that's the other thing you never know anymore and you're too exhausted to check so you kind of just yeah the other thing is like you know I hate to break it to everyone but Trump is going to die at some point I know That's just inevitable. It's like sad to think about, but it's going to have it. Sure.

He knows it. I don't think. I was like, there's no way. Yeah. Right. That Melania Time magazine cover that was circulating that I just was like, of quick. I was like, we got a great thing to talk about on the podcast Santa. And then I looked at it up and I was like, the fuck.

I was like, it's just fake. And I never would have. So Melania is on the cover of Time magazine. Did you see this, Anna? AI memes. Yeah, we should just do that from now on. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm sure that.

Hindu stand times. That's going to be our main, the paper of record. We're only reporting on Indian news for now on. I want to, we kind of, the trans. I want to feature a profile in a Hindu stand times. I know. We might even have one.

They probably like regurgitated some daily mail thing that was like, influencers, pull sick ISIS stunt. With their bobs and virgin, they are the best podcasters in America. Their net worth is over $10 billion. I guess those sites are like chivalry Chinese. Yeah. Wait, what were you saying with the trans? Oh, there was another trans shooter.

That's why I feel like it's been a long time because it's like that cycle's already ended. And it happened. Well, I'm surprised more people didn't point this out. It was like we were on the last episode we talked about nihilistic right wing violence. Or nihilistic political extremism. And I was like, I was like, what a fake ass fucking thing.

And then yeah, that shooter who like totally was like nihilistically, you know, motivated by just like sheer like confusion and mental illness and hatred. But he wasn't right wing. No, but they're just the, they're just kind of David Brooks was conflating

the nihilistic political extremism with right wing ideology but it actually isn't that. No. So I wasn't directionally wrong. I was only technically kind of. I didn't foresee. I didn't know people were so

against the phrase directionally correct or yeah I saw people yelling at you with that today the people are so dumb they just don't understand well we can get to that with the RFK CDC stuff oh yeah but what was

trans something about the trans shooter why did trans shooters always try to kill little kids because they're evil that's who you seek to target yeah they're twisted they're like inverse Holden Caulfields

instead of like standing at the edge of the cliff and catching children as they fall off they like mow them down well yeah Holden Caulfield wasn't trans and I don't care what the woke mob has to say bug catcher in the rye A bug chaser But I feel like this is going to be like an ongoing

exploding phenomenon Of There's all yeah There was the other one that went to the Catholic school Yeah And but I think didn't have any casualties Because it was a F to M Mm-hmm

Oh right Oh, Samantha Roup Was that one? I don't remember Them there's name but whatever. Well, trans male. Also into a Catholic school.

This was like, see, I don't even know how long ago, semi-recently. And I think there weren't, no, maybe there were. Because I remember everyone wanted the manifesto. Oh, right, right, yeah. And it was like hard to get in from Tucker was talking about it. But then we had the body cam footage of the heroic guy taking out the shooter, which was like fun. obviously like races and ethnicities have certain physiognomies that like cluster together but so do certain sexual and gender orientations like you know like lesbians very often have like bowling pin shaped body it's not even that they have like sloping shoulders and wide hips they have a very specific look to them and gay guys often have that like glazed cross-eyed buffy the vampire slayer vampire look in their eyes it's just a thing like I'm not trying to hate because you know I love the

LGBTQ community but there's this new crop of like transgender non-binary people who are a third secret thing where they have this kind of dead-eyed yeah 90% downloaded face physiognom do you know what I'm saying like there's something it's almost like yeah like people it's like those new york post um uh recreations of like what influencers will look like in 2030 from using the computer too long yeah they have like plastic surgery but like a hunchback yeah and like eczema and their hair is thinning like there's something wrong with all of these people mm-hmm i mean we're a sick sick country there's no denying it yeah but it's like Somebody should take a moment, not me, to sit down and, like, taxonomize the physiognomy of, like...

There's probably not enough of a data set yet. Yeah. Because it's too fringe. Yeah. Like, somebody should just... You can't do this, obviously, but somebody should, like, sample set, all the people in that, um, youth shooter discord that they're all coming from. The Satan, the whatever. It's...

I don't even know. oh my god but we are spawning um like new humanoids in our lifetime which is crazy i mean honestly i think the ripple effects of COVID are going to be way worse than we even realize like it was a just like neurosis making machine yeah and like so many like we were lucky enough to be kind of adults old yeah which like still sucked you know but like even like being in college like okay sucks high school not sucks but then like little kids who just like absorb this kind of like especially if their parents are like hypervigilant and boosting them and shit yeah like they just i feel like also a whole generation kind of like

experienced this super like damaging event that made them their brains weren't developed and like they're going to have all sorts of fucked up shit wrong with them no I know I know and it's like it's like unforeseen even what it'll how it'll manifest yeah that's true it's like the domino effect guy meme It's like gain of function research in Wuhan, trans, satanic school shooter, but like so many things. Yeah, they're like, they really are like the worst possible iteration of like Donna Harroway's cyborgs. Like they are cyborgian. A lot of them really like that ideology.

Yeah. Respond to it. and they look like they're made from like random junkyard parts I mean we've failed them the fact that this is like an observable social phenomenon is like a societal failure I agree yeah and again I don't know what's real but I feel like what I've seen from the shooter is like manifesto

or like whatever information of a absorbed without really doing a deep dive because I don't want to. He, or she, she. But they regretted transitioning and then. Was also like scrawling shit in Russian? Yeah. I mean, that's what the shooter in Auckland did. He like wrote on his guns and the first person shooter kind of video.

Which, yeah, it was all, it's all very like meme poisoned. Like everything the shooter basically did was kind of like. memeified or referencing something but like all kind of incoherently just like evil when in a bad chat room too young and like something really bad happened and people were like sort of quibbling over whether the transgender element was the cause or the symptom like chicken or the egg and you know in some ways I feel like that's an irrelevant argument to have because like whatever that is is like people like to throw this phrase around at their rivals and opponents but like like at its extreme like transgender like as a conceptually is a lack of empathy

it's an inability to see other people as human beings. I don't think that's true. I think both are can be true, but I think. Well, sorry, let me rephrase it. Prior to. Not transgenderism, but AGP, for sure. Yeah. Well, maybe it's in overabundance them,

because they want to be the sissy that they're jacking off too so bad. Yeah, but it doesn't have heard of them, but they can't, like, inhabit, like their lack of empire. is that because of their lack of empathy it doesn't occur to them you can't like meaningfully seriously inhabit the reality of another and because it's all kind of like of weird fetish it's but again one of our projects here yeah is kind of updating the Blanchard taxonomy even though he's still alive and the secret third thing yeah but I feel like even the AGP thing is almost inadequate for what is like really it's it is outdated because

the internet has like proliferated different forms of like maybe an umbrella AGPism well now you have these people um these creatures that are not um exactly AGP but in the sense that they do seem to be like we're talking about biological males who do seem to be sexually into women but also are more or less insults they're not homosexual but yet they have none of the other qualities associated with AGPs they're not high achieving they're not high earning they're not high IQ they transition earlier rather than later in life yeah they're just sick from yeah porn sick like sissy gooners yeah um and their transition is motivated um not by having maxed out their masculinity but by their low status effectively and i feel like the transgenderism is almost like

besides the fact it's like a symptom not a feature it's like because of the ideology in another era they maybe would have done more of like a Travis Bickle who know like you know they wouldn't have been trans. It's just like it's another thing that like they were like infected with. Because I saw a lot of right when it was being like, well yeah, like all trannies are mentally ill and, uh, I mean in the way that all people are massed by murderous rage and so on and so forth. And they were basically saying that the transgenderism was the cause of the murderous

inclinations. And I don't think it is. I think it's just comorbid with whatever serious mental disturbance they have already. Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. Right? Like, and also, yeah, these people are like distinct from the classic, like, homosexual, transsexual and... Well, then, yeah, to immediately default and make it about, you know, the TQ or whatever is, like, it's just like political opportunism because you associate transgenderism with all these other

things and you're no better than the left which is just like anytime a white person does a shooting you know will capitalize on the opportunity to tell you that they're that white men should be a classified hate group or whatever um well speaking of the sick sick world there's one man out there who's trying to make things better. He's getting thwarted by all these sour-puss senators who all receive pharmaceutical sector money to fund their campaigns and are butt hurt that he's well it's yeah the RFK Senate hearing yeah so prior to this Senate hearing prior to this Senate hearing dropping there was that article I sent you in the Times that was penned by like nine different CDC workers

and then the one in the Wall Street Journal from the woman he fired, which is what they're all up in arms about. Yeah. She also wrote an op-ed about their closing ranks, yeah. This is a New York Times guest opinion. We ran the CDC, RFK Juniors Endangering Every American's Health, by Richard Besser, Mandy K. Cohen, William Fogie, Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Copeland, William Roper, David Sacker, Ann Shookat, and Rochelle P. Wulenski.

First of all, why do you need nine whole poops to write one article? Also, like not to sound like a groiper, but why are they all Jewish? I mean, of course. Like eight out of ten of them. Eight out of nine are Jewish. And it's a piece by nine former permanent or interim CDC directors dating back to 1977. They say we have

each had the honor and privilege of serving as director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, either in a permanent or acting capacity, dating back to 1977. Collectively, we spent more than a hundred years working at the CDC, the world's preeminent public health agency.

We are all Jewish vampires. Over 100 years old. Some of us are a thousand years old. We run the world. welcome to our cabal i mean that's the thing that's so insulting yeah is that we're literally seeing like all of these experts yeah coming together with these legacy media institutions and then once again you have these like corrupt senators and who have no credibility nobody

trusts them yeah and they're all getting together to call rfk junior a conspiracy theorist grifter when they're literally all ideal the definition of conspiring like that is what a conspiracy is is when you all get together and conspire conspire latin means one to breathe together to have one

to all make coordinated actions we are one Iraq king organism based in Transylvania we suck the blood of infants I mean I bet the ones that don't even have Jewish names are Jewish too somehow yep

that's the thing they they stress the bipartisan nature of their work which has taken place under multiple democratic and republican administrations they even praise the first trump administration for cooperating with them yeah to develop and roll out safe effective and life saving COVID that's not true operation warp speed which okay rfk does have a huge problem which is he says whatever yeah and he has is contradictory doing himself and he doesn't really you know he's I think his heart's in the right place and he's pretty smart but he's really not that smart and he doesn't and he's kind of a hot head and too full of himself but he's the best we've got and we need to we need the reform yeah as far as this whole thing goes he's the lesser of the two evils by a long shot well he's truly like I mean boomers love to

refer to him as they have an accurate democrat in name only they call him meaning like he's not he doesn't pass the democrat test yeah um good but he actually is completely like a democrat and he is like i think much like trump enforcing the democratic will and that he's actually like i'm just so sick of the scold fest, and I think everybody is besides like... Well, okay, so here's a quote from that article. It's kind of long, so bear with me. And also not

that interesting. Mr. Kennedy has fired thousands of federal health workers and severely weakened programs designed to protect Americans from cancer, heart attack, strokes, lead poisoning, injury, violence, and more amid the largest measles outbreak in the United States in a generation, he focused on unproven treatments while downplaying

vaccines. He canceled investments in promising medical research that will leave is ill-prepared for future health emergencies. He replaced experts on federal health advisory committees with unqualified individuals who share his dangerous and unscientific views. He announced the end of U.S. support for global vaccination programs that protect millions of children and keep Americans safe, citing flawed research and making inaccurate statements,

and he championed federal legislation that will cause millions of people with health insurance through Medicaid to lose their coverage, firing Dr. Minaras, which led to resignations of top CDC officials, adds considerable fuel to this raging fire. This is unacceptable, and it should alarm every American, regardless of political leanings. Well, I think people aren't actually alarmed because they, I mean, some people vaguely are, but I really feel like the silent majority stands with our won't have any faith in the CDC which did operate separately from they did not make the COVID vaccine yeah they were the ones in charge of like testing like bungling all the testing and the masking requirements they're literally like create public health policy which nobody

trusts yeah because they fumbled generous so badly worse than worse than ever worse than anyone yeah and like the problem with that is with this nobody there was a shooting at this CDC wait really when exactly dude no one even cares okay wow who was it it was like a month ago or something some guy who said COVID made him crazy and it was a CDC's fault fucking went there killed one person I think but did a full ass shooting why is that guy not the next Luigi manjone I think because people just decided to pretend it didn't really happen because they just don't even care yeah they memory hold it but yeah the problem thoughts and prayers but decade or so probably going back even further in that, like the medical establishment, along with virtually every other

major institution in the United States, has become so politicized and captured that it is very hard to take any of their official statements at face value and compromise, completely corrupt in the pocket of big pharma, big health care. We all know how, that's why people love Luigi Mangiani is because in his like kind of confused gesture really but that like everyone intuits that there's something really broken well he was lashing out at like um the it's easy to hate the insurance company but do you have are you strong enough to hate your senator yeah or your doctor um but he yeah he was lashing out at the profit motive of these insurance companies that's one thing like okay we know that they're all motivated by profit but

There's, like, another separate thing, which is that they're also completely politically captured and corrupted in a way that exceeds any profit-making impulses. I mean, it's all about profit-making in the end. Yeah, it's what the corruption's for. Yeah, or it's about, yeah. Because someone somewhere is making money and they're incentivized to be corrupt for the financial gain. Yeah, but it's unclear.

it's unclear like the the exact like directionality of the financial gain who's like immediately profiting from it and like that's not exactly what was going on during COVID yes yeah um no they're all prof they're all like hedging if they're not directly profiting they're betting on profiting yeah but it was um political and ideological collusion that was based in like um social consensus, not even profit making. And like, you know, people are right to have questions and be skeptical, even if they're like medically unqualified to weigh the evidence and data. And in an ideal society, like laymen like us would simply just have faith and trust in these institutions to make scale decisions on our behalf. But we can't do that because they have eroded the public's

trust and they did it to themselves and now they're going around like yeah they literally before COVID people trusted the CDC like it was something like 87% of people had high trust and now you see all these people who are you know experts and employees of these institutions who are his fire emissaries working on their behalf or people are like retarded shitlibs who are doing it for free who are mentally ill because of COVID going around and scolding you for being like skeptical and asking questions and trying to paint you as an anti-vaxxer or like a right-wing political extremist or La Magachud when you watch the RFK hearing it's like the senators are the fringe extremists and RFK when they ask him how many people died during COVID and he says

I don't know. I was like, I felt that. I mean, he maybe should know, but the fact is nobody really knows because everything's been manufactured and like there's all, you can't, there's no trust. We can't know anything. I want to get into that. Remember that episode of Tucker Carlson where he had Ted Cruz on? And he was like, what's the population of Iran?

I believe it was that, right? And Ted Cruz was like, I don't know. And he was like, wait a second. You don't know the population. and demography of the country that you're planning on striking. And he was like, uh, what, and he like really made him show his ass. So this is not equivalent to that when the,

the senators at the hearing are like, uh, Robert, do you know how many people died during COVID? And he's, and they're like trying to pin him down as if it's some kind of own or gotcha that he's like unqualified or unfit. It's like he doesn't know because nobody knows. And he actually had a good answer. He said there was so much data chaos, um, at the time that,

no one can really say how many Americans died of COVID. How many people died on respirators that they've been on? And especially because they were counting all sorts of like random comorbidities and occurrences as COVID deaths. Mike Benz said, you know, motorcycle accidents and REM deviseer poisoning. You remember when people would go in the hospital and die of some other disease or ailment and they had COVID at the time and they would count it as a COVID death. George Floyd.

I think of COVID. Vaxed. Triple boosted. Still died. But the COVID response basically created a cascade where the public lost trust in the medical establishment.

It made them question what else they had been lying about. You know, like the opioid crisis, the food pyramid, so many other things. Prenatal and postnatal care, to name a few. This really encouraged the rise

of independent media and further. fractured mass consensus. I'm sure, like, no doubt it created more opportunities for like grifting and misinfo. Of course. But basically...

That's why we have such a robust health influencer culture now. But when people, when people chimp at me and are like, oh, like, uh, saying directionally correct is the stuff of, uh,

midwit, like, narrativeization. It's like, no, the people are directionally correct. Yes, they're retarded. in there and qualified, you and me included, we're not trained to medically weigh any

studies or data, statistics, we couldn't do that. But like, no, our intuitions are correct that we're being lied to and that you shouldn't trust the medical establishment. And that's sucks. It sucks. It's really demoralizing for everyone involved. I'm predisposed. I've always not really trusted the doctor. I just have a lot of institutional distrust generally probably due to my inherited traumas no just from being Russian normal

oops what was that my laptop I probably broke my screen no no it's fine I don't you can't do it like that but I do think the majority of people are inclined to

trust the doctor to feel sick want to go to the doctor like and that's good that or that was the case and that was good yeah and that's fucked that's over I I will say I I am still very but hurt and resentful when people come at me and say you're an anti-vaxxer or a right-wing ideologue because I'm actually very understanding and moderate and I'm not at all a retarded zealot when it comes to these matters and I do believe in the miracle of modern medicine to some degree unfortunately unfortunately but I got to

you know they save my life one but I really I really hate when I'm out there like asking legitimate questions uh having legitimate doubts when people come at me and try to make me like shame me or bully me into feeling like I'm in the wrong when they're the ones having the insane emotional response and like screaming at me immediately defaulting to invective immediately dredging up this terrible COVID episode which I was vindicated on and not at fault for at all like even looking back now I think about it most reasonable people at the time and I would say like to this day would agree that the COVID vaccine makes sense if you are old or sick but that the risks outweigh the benefits if you were young and

healthy and that was the point like you proceed at your own discretion and the thing is like the people people we can get into like the doubting of the actual um medicine behind the COVID vaccine. I'm not qualified to do that. I'm not going to do that now. But like the fact that they were pushing it on infants, children, pregnant women,

nursing women to this day is to me like such a great evil. Well, and like, and that's one of the reasons they're punishing RFK. Yeah. Is because he wants to, you know, roll back R.MNA.

Whatever. and yeah the FDA just limited who can get the code vaccine which I don't really I don't see the point of because I think if you do want to get the boost like it's your funeral bro go for it well no they're limiting it so that it um you have to ask people over 65 and people with severe um not even severe kind of anything whatever something most Americans probably do need and qualify for them if you're fat yeah like severe immune like severe immune problems. So basically if you if you don't if you don't fit into either of those two categories, you need to go to the doctor and you probably have to pay out of pocket. Um, because you're uninsured. No. For the Vax. Yes. No, I think your insurance would probably cover the fact. I think, I think that's the point. Like insurance won't cover it if you don't fit either of those two categories. If you're like a young and healthy person, insurance won't cover it. So

you're going to have to pay out of pocket. If you're mentally ill, ill enough to get another booster or whatever. And if you are, then why not just love people do? You know, who cares? Yeah, well, I mean, I think the problem is like, my issue is vaccinating children against COVID. That's retarded and preposterous evil. And I still still, like, even to this day, people are like, well, oh, but that's not mandated anymore. Don't you regret it that you were sick and almost died? It's like, no, because my kid didn't get vaccinated. I will take that risk for my kid's health. Psychos. I don't want to transmit that to my kid. You fucking. freaks. I'm old and going to die soon anyway. He's the future. Like, what do I care if something

bad happens to me to the extent that I'm, like, as long as I'm able to take care of him until he turns 18, like, I don't care. Yeah. What are you talking about? Like, that's a, to me, that's a perfectly rational calculation to make. I actually think it's bizarre and irresponsible to get a vaccine, a COVID vaccine, if you're pregnant or give a COVID vaccine to your child. Well, this is, okay, so this is from the other Times article I said, yeah, called, Can you still get the COVID shot? Because, you know, the New York Times readers need to know if they're getting, if they're

like, they're like, they need that booster like heroin. They're like, I need that needle in my vein. Tell me, can I get, please tell me, can I get it? And there's a part of it that said, can I get a vaccine if I'm pregnant? Yeah. If you're pregnant, you're among the people for whom vaccination is most important, Dr. Rannie said. Organizations like American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists recommend it because of evidence that pregnancy increases the risk of severe illness, that COVID can harm fetuses

and that vaccines during pregnancy can protect infants. Access may be complicated by contradictory federal policies. Pregnancy is on the CDC's list of high-risk conditions, but they've also stopped recommending COVID vaccines during pregnancy, which is like that's exactly why people don't fucking trust the CDC because why, like you have a list of risks and then you have a list of recommendations and then you're six feet away or you're masking or you're masking

when you're outside or you don't have to or you don't have to mask when there's a Black Lives Matter protest. Yeah, you have to mask in all ordinary circumstances but you don't have to mask for racial justice. Get your story straight before you start scolding people for not trusting you.

That's psychotic. A tweet from this guy Aaron Rupar, who I'm guessing is a huge lib-tard, support for vaccinating kids against infectious diseases dropped from 81% in 1991 to 51% last year. We are getting dumber as a society. So like, I mean that in my mind, because I am a moderate and not a zealot or an anti-vaxxer, that is probably an alarming trend. That's really bad. But who was to blame?

for that. Are we getting dumber as a society? No. Well, yes. Well, yes. We are. But that's not the issue. Or did you guys do a bunch of like, evil, immoral, lying as shit and erode the public trust. If we were actually getting dumber, people would be more compliant. Someone looked that out. I bet there's a relationship between high compliance. I got into like a this, a bit of like a Twitter spat with this account cremew the other day and he's like a right wing statistics and demographics guy so he's like a little bit

less he's an expert ideologically possessed than the other ones I guess over this tweet of his it's baffling that people are seriously considering avoiding the hep B vaccine it's safe it works well and there's no better alternative you really have to stop listening to anti-vaxers or they'll

be able to create tons of unnecessary public health crises and like okay so I don't really care to dispute again his account of the Hep B vaccine, it's probably accurate. I'm sure it's safe and it works, but is it really all that baffling that people are having this response?

Is that baffling the word that you want to use? And how many people really, like, I don't think, I think like you, like me, like R of K even, like most people aren't anti-vaxxers. That's like conspiracy theorists. That's something that gets thrown around for people who are basically moderates who are like observing,

kind of corruption and collusion that's like unfolded in their lifetime. And that's basically like a rational position to hold. It's not, I don't know anyone that's like truly, I mean, there obviously there are people who are like truly anti-vaxxers. Most people want to comply with what they think is good for their kids and what has historically worked. Of course. Yeah. I know a couple of people who have not vaccinated their kids at all, period. And they live in a world of hell because they constantly have to like find doctors and forage forms for New York City school system.

Any New York City well they can't go to public school Yeah they can't go to any school They can't do any activities They can go to yeshiva With the Hasidic kids and get measles Yeah yeah I don't even know I think there's no longer

Religious exemption in New York City anymore There definitely isn't There isn't in New York, California Connecticut, Vermont, West Virginia. But those people, you know, as exotic and nutty as they are, are still a lot less insane than the boosted demo. Yeah, yeah. Then like the...

Sometimes. The lib-tards who have like 20 boosters. Basically, yes, but there are like, there are fringe. Yeah, yeah. There are fringe ideologues who like... Like, I think free birthing is crazy. What's free birthing? Like, just going in no doctor.

Oh, right. Yeah. Ever, just get pregnant and do it. And, like, people really are advocating for them. That seems. But the Hepbe thing came up, yeah, because RFK was challenging the necessity and efficacy of the Hep B vaccine at that same Senate hearing. And it brings me back also, again, to my, like, dual split birthing experience.

where the baby was accidentally born in the home and then we were taken to the hospital and like it was one of the best most illuminating things that happened to me because I was fully acquainted with the world of like medical malfeasance like from the part where they pulled my placenta out by hand in a freight elevator which could have led to infection or hemorrhaging totally illegal to the part where they mysterious we lost the placenta, which is bizarre and incompetent. I mean, medical nemesis, we know. I've talked about this so many times, but like to the part where when you get to the

hospital, there are suddenly tons of like nurses and orderlies coming around forcing all of these interventions on you. One of the big interventions that they force on you is the Hep B vaccine, which is very, again, confusing and mysterious to me because I'm willing to suspend disbelief and fully agree that this is a useful and necessary vaccination. But I'm confused why they have to do it immediately after the child is born in the hospital when in the state of New York. And I'm guessing maybe across America, I don't know if this is state or federally mandated, you have a mandatory pediatric visit one or two days after the child is born when they can do it there. Why submit a newborn

child who should be like nuzzling in the breast of his mother to countless boundless interventions. Oh, I think I agree, obviously. But just to be actually devil's advocate. Yeah, you should be. I guess. They can mandate something. But the low trust kind of goes both ways. They like can't, they don't trust people to show up for a mandatory.

Well, they don't. But which people, which people, it's the people who. I mean, I get what you're saying. You had an emergency situation where you gave birth up in your home, whereas I think if you gave, you had a relationship with a gynaecologist that delivered your baby, which wouldn't be my breath again. But like, yeah, if your doctor knows you, he knows you don't have happy, they're not going to be as pushy about it. But if you are like brought into an emergency room after you've already given birth. It was just like a regular hospital situation. But what I'm saying is that they're tailoring all of these interventions to the lowest common denominator.

Like all prenatal and postnatal care. Well, they had to take me to the hospital because I was like, I didn't have like a midwife or a profite. I had a doula. But why? Well, they had to make sure that like I didn't have any like tearing or the baby was fine. Like it was. I mean, I get it. But it wasn't like a home birth where there were like.

Right. There was like a retinue of, you know, medically qualified people who could assess that everything was okay. That I understand. and I'm not, like, mad that they took me to the hospital. I, like, prefer that that happened because I don't, like, they had to, like, cut the cord and remove the placenta, like, all that kind of stuff. The free birthers just be doing that. No, I know, but, like.

But, no, I understand. The crazy thing with that is that, um, yeah, like, everything is tailored to the lowest common denominator, um, like the same people who, like, blast music on the subway with Bluetooth speakers, who are a low trust demographic that you cannot count on them to show up to the pediatric visit. Did you know that? doctor that you got a treatment home? But I think had I known, had I known him, they would have done the same thing in any major hospital. They just, it's a standard.

I think if they had already tested you for Hep B, they would know. No, no, they vaccinate every, they vaccinate kids against Hep B, I think. It's, I don't know if. Infants? Yeah, as a matter of protocol. Yes. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And also, I mean, there are people who newborns. Yeah, there are people who will argue that, like, basically, um, it's extremely unlikely that a child would ever come into contact with Hepby unless the mother is like a junky prostitute. I mean.

And I think that this is really a matter of legal liability with the big hospital networks. They don't want to get sued in the event that that should happen. Why not just have you sign away? Yeah, I don't know. Why not just have you sign something that says if my kid got to have to be? Yeah, it's all, it's all, it's all, like, bizarre. and questionable, but that you can see how the step of like being perplexed as to why they push it on you in that moment instead of just trusting you to do it later could lead to some

people being skeptical about the nature of the vaccine in general. Like I'm kind of retarded and trusting in this way and I'm just like, okay, like these old vaccines that have been around forever. Yeah. What do you think the motive is like to make your kid trans? You're retarded? I don't think that's right. I don't think that. I think yeah, it is probably a liability thing. Yeah, yeah. And. But what I'm saying is like,

this guy, Cremew was perfectly like fine and friendly and like, we weren't like actually fighting and I like his account a lot. But all the people in his mentions who were like swarming around and chimping out. And they're not even paid by, uh, the medical industry or the medical establishment. They're doing this for free.

But like, can you blame the average person who's like not really able to parse? the literature studies or data for being sceptical and asking questions? Like, can you really? Is it really that baffling? It's the CDC that recommends infants receive a dose of the happy vaccine at birth within 24 hours, regardless of the mother's happy status. Infants infected at birth have a 90% chance of developing.

but why would Okay Right I mean I guess if you don't have Happy you could still get it If they test you they don't know That's part of it probably Yeah

But it's People you just don't know It's basically Who knows what people are getting up to Even if they're not junkies or prostitutes Yeah it's basically yeah And part of the reason it's You're unlikely to get it

Is because they've been vaccine for it Yeah Yeah yeah But it's still kind of part of the Protocol I wish they'd vax me for Hib. I really hope they don't

stop maintaining that one. Because that could kill you folks and you don't know. But like you have a situation now where even like an increasing number of like medical professionals are unable to parse their own literature studies or data. I would expect them to be the least likely to parse it. Honestly because they're completely captured.

That's what one of our best guests, Mark Crispin Miller said. was that yeah like another victim of like COVID hysteria by the way it was completely vindicated but yeah

he said that people who are like experts who are like institutionally not just incentivized but like their whole not just their livelihood but their egos

their sense of self everything depends on like believing in the efficacy and trust of these like institutions well yeah that was like because that's where they get

all their credibility from so of course they're going to close ranks but the jig is of yeah and it's it also stands to reason that like they're not even aware of how captured and corrupt they are i know like it's a purely like unconscious process i think some of them might some of them yeah of course yeah i hope i hope some of them think about, you know. But again, RFK, the woman he fired, he

she was appointed by Trump and then sworn in by RFK literally less than a month prior. And he was talking about how because, specifically because she is pretty nonpartisan, like she isn't

particularly ideological for a CDC for like a long time federal employee. She is. is pretty like um and obviously like the science has its own but she is kind of like a pretty neutral like merit based appointee and rfk himself said that part of the reason she was appointed was because she was like unimpeachable in her like you know medical medical neutrality and then because she didn't want she didn't pre-agree to some kind of board that was going to have

have anti-vaxxers on it, meaning vaccine skeptics, meaning people who probably should be on it, like, there should be a mix of people. It shouldn't be one like cohesive. He's not trying to like only hire anti-vaxxers even. Yeah, I mean, if the medical field was truly honest, I mean, it's hard to call it the medical field because it's like such a large and complicated organism. But it's broken at every level, basically. You know, like, let's say on the, on the federal level and the level of like grants endowments whatever if they were like honest they would try to fund um inquiries and studies into uh what happened during pan in the pandemic into the into the effect of the vaccines and so on and so forth and that would be a slippery slope but it would be

interesting to like go back to all these they don't want that yeah like you know exactly what they don't want like they'll be even boldly people will lose even more trust in them thus power thus everything like in an ideal world that's what a transparent scientific institution would look like i understand that there are certain like political and ideological and uh monetary and financial incentives that make that impossible this is what kennedy said in his opening statement he said these changes were absolutely necessary adjustments to restore the agency to its role as the world's gold standard public health agency. He repeated his longstanding, this is from the Times, so they're editorializing. He repeated his longstanding criticism that the agency, quote, failed miserably during the COVID pandemic and pushed, quote, nonsensical policies that, quote, destroyed small businesses, violated civil liberties, closed our schools, caused generational damage in doing so, massed infants with no science,

and heightened economic inequality. True. but then some shitty senator asked him when were you lying sir when you told this committee that you were not anti-vax or when you told americans that there's no safe and effective vaccine mr kennedy replied both things are true which is like he should be he did seem a little caught off guard for how obviously antagonistic the senate hearing would be for the author of the real doctor fouchi i would have thought he would have had more kind of i sigh again i I side with him. But I do think his inconsistencies are pretty, don't do him any favors. Yeah, he's an imperfect person. Trump is an imperfect person. Like all the people who are in power now are like advanced. Mm-hmm.

Stephen Miller, whatever. They all make Gaffes, faux pot, whatever. But you're, it's, it is really like literally like you are in the cathedral. I just like came from the Yarvan. debate with some faggot called e glenwile and like i thought that was anthony weiner when you said me i know i was like what are they debating about well okay so the night before i went to like tchats book launch and there was some guy there who looked exactly like this glenwile character and i was i wasn't even drunk because i haven't been drinking or smoking for the last

two weeks since my birthday and I like walked right up to him and I was like are you glad and while because I was like trying to and he was like no I'm Elliott Ackerman but I swear to God he looked the same it was like a kind of um uh slight Jewish man with like tight curls and like a fine bone structure and I was like literally they all look alike but um no I went to this like debate where they were what were they debating like the prompt was something like um should the united states be run by a CEO monarch it was like and Jarvin's still kind of saying yes yes yeah yeah I mean it was a stupid it was a stupid prompt because it was basically like uh the the prompt was do you agree with Curtis

Yarvin or no and apparently he wasn't the one even pushing for the debate was this other guy who who had like parisocially like right stalked and triangulated him over yeah yeah um why won't you debate me but but the real question of course is like is democracy a legitimate form of government and is it worth saving i mean and ultimately does it really exist does democracy exist as a form of government i would say no i think democracy is a tool of government uh i mean people confuse it for a form of government but they're but as Jarvin pointed out there has never been

a democracy that's a true democracy versus a managed democracy in the history of the world. Well, what's the difference between democracy and populism because that's something

I've never really grasped, to be honest. And I know people say populist in a derogatory way, but they're the same people who claim to love democracy. And not to sound stupid, but they seem like,

like I feel like Trump had a populary victory. Yeah. That was also pretty democratic. Like the majority. I think democracy just means like voters elect a leader. Like directly. Yes. Instead of like. Yeah. But we do. We vote for our president. Yeah. But they would say like both of them would agree. Like most people would agree that like actually your your vote as an individual doesn't matter at all. And what we really have is like an oligarchy and autocracy. That's a democracy by name. I think like all democracies ultimately devolve into this and it's not, that's not like

a corruption of power, it's just a fact of life. Like you can't, like, how do you even run a country democratically? You elect a leader and the leader appoints people and it becomes an oligarchy. Well, we also elect, you know, ideally are Congress people and senators democratically. But that, yeah, it's not. exactly the case because we don't even have like we should elect our mayor democratically but we don't even have option there's not even anyone that I'm like but democracy really just like it seems so obvious like a tool or an instrument like

you open the field up to like let's say like hypothetically in a situation where voters actually do elect a leader or a leadership class like um you see this in a lot of Islamic countries well we don't even where where they open it out about Trump well yeah but like let's say like you know he was democratically elected three times yes yeah yeah because people wanted him but like this happens all the time and like where they but is that not democracy well it is yeah but like the process is democratic yeah yeah but the outcome the actual governance is there's no such thing as a democratic governance i don't get it no you elect the guy that's why people are like, you know, when they're like, so you're a Trump supporter, you agree with everything Trump's

doing? I'm like, no, I don't have to. Yes. Yeah. I don't have to endorse everything he does. Not, I voted for him to be the president to make the executive. You don't even have to like the guy. Executive. Even though we do. I voted for an executive. Yes. Yeah. To make the decisions. And I don't have to stand by all of them. I just have to like prefer it to the alternative, which I do. Yes. It's very simple. Like, yeah. we've, but I guess maybe that's not democracy. I don't know. Yeah, see, I don't even really know.

But like, you know, you have the situation, right, where they'll, they'll have like a referendum in some Islamic country and they'll always without fail vote in the most extremist, fundamentalist group. And then the United States is like, no, no, no, this isn't democracy. We have to send in, like, militias and like paramilitaries or whatever and do a regime change. But that, that's like a thing. that happens like the democratic will but anyways we do regime change when someone's been in power for a long time yeah i'm the same if they stop cooperating with us yes or like kadafi or however

they stop being useful they capitalize on yeah yeah maybe it's like some legitimate dissatisfaction within the populace but then they use USAID money to fund foreign media outlets and like basically propagandize yeah yeah yeah yeah. on there we have to basically bring about our dream change in the long run but we don't want democracy

in other countries we want democracy here we want to also decide what goes over there we also don't want democracy here the Democrats claim

they want democracy what they really want is uniparty oligarchic rule and in response that certain people on the right have come up and said

well we do better under some sort of monarchy or dictatorship we can quibble over forms of government all we want but we have a populist republican ruler now yeah i don't maybe it's not democratic again not for i'm not an expert not for me to say yeah he's democratically elected he's popular yes and that's kind of like a democracy yes there's democracy of popularity but the actual the actual mechanics dynamics of running the country are not democratic because it's like uh because we don't all take part in well we're not like a great ancient grecian populace of like yeah you know whatever this is like irrelevant yeah that will never have and like nobody there nobody not even curtis yorvin can

actually say which form of of government is the best because again this is an interview with the vampire you have not been alive for a hundred years you have not seen empires rise and fall nations rise and fall. I know, but he's got all these anecdotes about history about monarch, blah, blah, blah. But those weren't good because they failed. So checkmate. Yeah.

As he pointed out to his opponent, all of the instances, well, all of the instances that the other guy was citing, apparently of failed monarchies came from within a democratic bubble, blah, blah, blah. But I'm not even... I don't think so. That doesn't sound like that.

a Yarvanism. I'm not even allergic to the concept of monarchy. It seems very like exotic and unlikely and also just like because it's a man-made phenomenon. It's kind of doomed to fail. I thought this is a little steam punk. Yes. It's a little kind of like, huh?

Like okay, we don't. You're not serious. Like what do you really mean? But his, but his main point which was really well taken, well said, was that like what we call democracy now in the present day, again, is so captured and corrupted that virtually anything else would be better?

I don't know about that. An improvement. I don't know about that. I don't think, well, he also has no, when you ask him, as we probably have, I don't I don't remember because of a benzo addiction and brain damage. Like he doesn't have, it's not like he has someone in mind. He doesn't want it to be Elon Musk. Well, no.

And like Elon Musk would be way worse. That guy's a retard. Wait, no, Elon Musk couldn't rule. Well, because he's not an American citizen technically. But if he was a monarch, he could seize absolute power and, you know, a monarch can do anything. They have divine power, will to be that. Well, the other question that I have is that why would anybody sign up to be a

monarch would a droll and tedious and thankless job yeah it's not sex you are responsible for everyone if you fuck up or fumble your head rolls marie antoinette oligarchy is a much more functional system because you can always like post like you can constantly just like fudge avoid responsibility well isn't our degraded and corrupt democracy basically an oligarchy yes yeah yeah yeah so all good yeah so we already have the best thing there's no yeah yeah yeah we get the pretense of democracy well yeah the so it sounds like jews rule yes and everything's fine we don't have to do a new thing yeah and nobody no one person is liable accountable responsible for anything that goes wrong no one can be no one who could be how could you blame one

guy, come on. I, yeah. I mean, yeah, I like conceptually the idea of a monarchy, but only if it's really tethered to like a religious state, which America can't be. It wasn't founded on that. America can't be a monarchy.

We were founded on like principles of liberty. It would be unconstitutional. Wouldn't be American. It'd be un-American. I think that, yeah, I mean, I think that like America can be, South African autistic guy. No, but who's saying that.

Well, that's who gets thrown out. When he talks about his ideal kind of like CEO monarch and someone like Elon Musk who like, you know, has, is a titan of all these industries and like is all of, you know, potentially really intelligent and qualified. But he's a gay nerd and he can't, he's not fit for the job. And there's no one who is. He's also like. There's nobody who could be CEO of America besides Donald Trump.

Well, he's also like not. not a he well technically but a monarchy he can't even he can't even take on the job it was that's what i'm saying is a monarchy would already be unconstitutional so yeah yeah status of someone's where they were born doesn't matter it's already a hypothetical you're entertaining that subverts the american project and jarvin should know better he needs a news they will amend the electoral guidelines so that a person who was not born in the united sultan mr president mom donnie was Welcome to the White House. President Monarch of the United States.

Oh, God, I just had an out-of-body feeling and realize that what's going to happen is that Curtis Yarvon's dreams are going to come true, but it's going to be in the worst possible scenario. What they're going to do is they're going to spend, they're going to suspend the original electoral guidelines for under 35s. no foreign born and they are going to elect zohran momdani as CEO monarch of the united states and it's not going to be sharia law because he's not Islamic he's just wearing that shit as a skin suit it's going to be like gay race sharia communism i mean you know Curtis jarvin why did you rub that monkey paw why did you make that wager but that's what i mean is like you can't say

definitively that a CEO monarch would be better because there are infinite possibilities where it's far worse. I think it's on, I, Dr. Fauci. Well, and they keep on, well, they keep bringing up this example of like, um, Buckele and El Salvador, which again, I, yeah, okay, he's impressive and interesting, but it's a tiny country that's ethnically homogenous that nobody cares about. I've like made this point a million times to, to no avail because nobody listens to voids when they speak. But yeah, it's, except for us who have one of the best podcasts ever made. But it's like, yes, obviously, like, avid growing listenership. It's, it's much easier to enforce your political vision in a tiny, ethnically homogenous country.

Nobody cares about it. Well, that's also completely. As a foreignate is a Palestinian, by the way, he's not even ethnically. Inshallah, okay. But that's also besieged by violent, out-of-control crime, where people are desperate and, like, You can seize power due to, like, extreme circumstances. Yeah. If Ellis Albutter was a functioning society that wasn't, like, run by cartels.

Well, one of the points that they brought up was that... It's not the same. It's not like America. America's a special. Well, America's just very large and multi-ethnic. It's a whole new thing. It's not... We can't have a monarch because we're doing a new thing.

Well, okay. My feeling about it... That's what the founding... the founding brothers didn't want the we had a monarchy called the UK that was charging us tea tax we went and we dumped that shit in the harbor yeah we said no fucking way then we fought a war George Washington and then we started our own country that had a new we were doing a new thing and not even that long ago we can't I don't want to go back to a monarchy I'm going to do a new thing and um rehabilitate the concept of oligarchy you I know. I think that you need some damage. It has some, yeah. As long as the people running the oligarchy aren't pure evil, aren't pure evil and have a, a collective vision for society. Yeah. And I mean, are invests or are any of these forms of government like inherently bad?

That's what I'm saying. No, they're all kind of dependent on like contacts. And this is also when they when they say like, oh, yeah. These debates are so fruitless. When like retarded leftists are like, well, just like look at. Communism is the worst. We can all agree on that. But when reported leftists are like socialism works in the Nordic, in the Scandinavian states and we should adopt that model, it's like, okay, why does it work in the Scandinavian states? Because they're ethnically homogenous and high trust.

It's less a question of the form of governments and more a question of the cultural character. Also, like any form of government. It doesn't work. It doesn't work just because they can go to the doctor. And like barely are replenishing themselves with birth rates. They are also euthanizing themselves and have like a totally twisted, like sterile, unproductive culture. They're completely stagnant. It's not define working.

Like how, you know, Finnish people are like the happiest they like meet their whatever study they do is to measure happiness. Finland allegedly, yeah, has like the happiest people. And then. And then probably other kind of Scand-ish countries. But don't they have like a high suicide rate? I mean, it's probably high-ish just because all of those cold places have pretty high suicide rates. But a lot of those places also have state sanctioned suicide.

And they call it Euthanasia. And it's completely wrong. I'm just talking about regular old suicide. Yeah. But that too, that's not the sign a marker to me of like a healthier functioning society. No. like euthanasia is legal and like practiced that all I'm saying is that like any form of governance basically works in a relatively like small scale society where everyone is basically

related and knows each other and gets along the only functional country is belarus at night it's like very obvious this isn't belarus Belarus basically has a monarch. They've had the same guy in Paris since 94. They're not doing as well as Poland, but they're doing better than some Eastern Europe here in countries. And like it's not perfect, but there's like stability.

And that's a way of defining success too. Also really high suicide rate, little opportunity for growth. Yeah. Very imperfect. My feeling is that like, okay, like I actually think that like Curtis is a nice guy and his heart is in the right place, but I just have an intuitive

I think he's lost brain elasticity and he needs to come up with a new thing to talk about No he can't no no he's he's like Camille Poglia or William F. Buckley or any like um Well that's what I mean you can't or Slavoy Jizek You have to keep recycling the same lines Because you lose brain elasticity as you get older And then you just say the same shit over and over

Also you get rich and you don't give a fuck You stop caring I think you literally can't come up with new ideas because you're old Well yes and but you keep that's true That's why we need young people to come up with ideas too no i know but the thing is also like you literally just like um get comfortable and successful sure and you want to like focus on your family and friends they pay you to come up go up there and you don't really stop giving a shit so you just like um

recycle your old bits your greatest hits over and over again people are pointing how i've talked about my diva star doll on the podcast before you're right damn It goes that thing You just like keep Keep on recycling the same bullshit I think you should try to come up with something new That our culture would be better If people try to come up with new ideas

Instead of saying the same old ideas Yeah That already it's like okay And that's why Yarvin's so hard For me to talk to Is because you ask him a question And then he goes on like A tangent that he wanted to say anyway

Yes That has nothing to do with you're actually trying to talk to him about. Mm-hmm. And then he talks about, like, divinity and stuff. He just loves, he's a, you know, I like Yardv. I actually, I do. Me too, I really do.

He's a guy. No disrespect, but he is a blowhard. I've got a south side of him too. I think he's cute and I thought he looked really princely. He did. He looked really cute. His styling has been impeccable. I love him, honestly.

Me too, me too. And I respect him basically as a public intellectual, but I just think it's not, I'm so sick of talking about the tech CEO monarch. Me too. And also, I want to talk about something else. If we do have a monarch, I don't want a Texio monarch. I want a regular divine monarch, but that's not possible because there's no restoration of faith in store for us.

I want a Christian nation where, yeah, God, I'm like, oh, my God, he's, just said. I don't want, like, a tech bro, whatever. The main thing that matters is, like, it is on the level of vibes. Like, you can sense that he's not a bad or shabby person. That's all that matters. That's true. I know. I shouldn't be so hard on now.

I'm just being, I'm about to get my period. I'm sorry. But I don't remember why I was yapping about this. Oh yeah, but basically he was saying that like anything would be an improvement on our current democracy, which as you pointed out is questionable, maybe not realistic.

Yeah. But he is correct in saying that the public trust, the public faith in our. democracy has been thoroughly eroded. For sure, for sure. And that's really why it's not a true democracy is because most people just opt out of the democratic process. And as he pointed out, like, you're not really a voter subject.

You would be a subject anyway in any other system of governance. I mean, isn't that the same thing? Polite, noble lie that you have power and agency. But that's nice. And it sounds really similar to like what Bannon talks about, which I know Yarvan has his disagreements with. but when Jarvan talks about like serfdom is monarchy not just like

a noble lie that is the same well I don't know if it is because like in the old model of monarchy if you fucked up or fumbled again you would be removed from power but it would take a while because the old models are also ancient that like people wouldn't even know you fucked up

for that long because some guy on horseback had to come and tell you that the king did something bad or whatever. I don't really care for whatever model of governance we have to tell you the truth. I don't give a shit. I'm not really that invested.

I'm not like passionate about democracy. I think, well, honestly, the way Trump keeps talking about going to heaven is very monarch coded. Yes. I don't think anyone is that passionate about democracy. The Wall Street Journal.

Allegedly. Yet they publish the same like consensus hive mind like big pharma opinions about how rfk's a danger a dangerous guy they need to go back to doing like pedo reporting and like you know we need to put money back into investigative journalism get those boys boots back on the ground instead of all this even the thing they published the thing about how rfk was going to publish a report about how taking Tylenol causes autism yes and I was like you know when you absorb it just through like trying to follow the news you're like what and then you actually be the article and you're like okay so he hasn't done that yeah and then there's all

it's such like i am legend hive mind like you know they just kind of like it's like cordy seps they like publish a piece and then all these other pieces are published about how rfk said to highland all cause autism he has not even he might but he hasn't said that okay it's all like they're speculating who published this piece the Wall Street Journal oh yeah

that's like where it was incepted the idea well it's like petty but he's gonna do an autism study but then they also conflate it with like prenatal folate no and kind of paint it in a similar like conspiratorial

weird random article that you're like well the folate I thought we all were taken the fucking 5HTP Wait, I read the article, and I think they say that fully counteracts the effects of autism. It's confusing, actually, what they're saying. They're, like, talking about two separate things.

Uh-huh. And, like, but they're making it seem like it's all about Tylenol. Yeah. I mean, it seems very far-fetched that Tylenol specifically would cause. I don't even know of RFK is saying that. He's not, probably, yeah. There's going to be an quote autism study. and that is like a theory that's been proliferated that there is some research to suggest

but there's also research not too it's probably not that that's probably like one thing of many that people are partaking in that causes autism probably is the vaccines it's way too many the vaccine panel's too many shots dash i feel like people are going to yell at me but i feel like a lot of autism is probably caused by vaccines and more will be revealed I think it's a mix of I think that is true but I also think the defense that people make is that the definition of autism is expanded and it's being overdiagnosed and both things are true I think are okay I think both things are true I think that vaccines do you have a I would say this vaccines have a role of course of course

to play in the upsurge of pediatric autism for sure uh jenny mccarthy the weird little slut but no i think that there's definitely like some correlation and there's no incentive to explore it further obviously i don't know what it is and don't really care to get to the bottom of it but no one even really knows what autism exactly is yes it's like when they talk about that's why they're able to diagnose it in so many expanded ways well they say that's what they're always like oh well the the rise in autism diagnoses comes down to the fact that um the diagnostic criteria have become more fine-tuned more people are willing to talk about it and blah blah blah but it's like yeah what is autism specifically. Define

autism, can't but. Well Taolin who honestly I trust more than someone from the CDC that we should appoint him but he believes it to be a kind of like chronic

brain inflammation that like varies in extremes but that you can kind of like remedy incorrect through ancestral dieting which is maybe again directionally correct i don't know i don't think vaccines are the whole story no they're not no but it seems like they can definitely contribute to things like complicated multifacist things that there's like i mean kids that are probably honestly

putting on a fucking mask on a toddler probably made them autistic because they couldn't read facial cues or like made them diagnosable as autistic because their social skills and empathy were stunted by having to put on masks and not being able to see human faces. They also have like retarded, emotionally stunted internet addict parents. Is that not autistic? Like to not to be deprived of seeing human faces in your like formative brain years? Of course. And then these kids get diagnosed with autism, but maybe they wouldn't have been, quote,

autistic had they not suffered through like a really like ruinous and inhumane medicalized pandemic event that the CDC is completely responsible for and all those people should be fired. Yeah, they should, yeah. Not all those people, but you know, like there needs to be reform. And I think most people must know that. I don't think I'm crazy. Well, that's the thing. I don't think R.FK is crazy.

I think he seems so reasonable and all those senators seem psychotic. I think he's like, like I said before. And bought and paid for. He's obviously like vain and narcissistic. He's not perfect. Which is fine. whatever but yes he's not crazy and he has at least he's not childless and believes in god and goes to the fucking gym he has reasonable intuitions he goes to the gym wearing jeans whatever that's

not one of his good intuition he's like an Indian guy but at least he's like has the right idea and I don't think he is as like pathologically narcissistic that he's like because I think if he was, he would have like pursued the path of least resistance or been like opportunistic. No, I think he's smart enough that he probably recognizes his own vanity and narcissism and overcorrects with it by being a conscientious person. Well, yeah, maybe. But like it's not like he's done himself any favor is up until now by like publishing the real Dr. Fauci on Skylight press or, you know, being like a kind of saying with a guy like that. Saying the things he's essentially yeah like you know publishing a book called the real dr fouchy and having like a tabloid history

of like cheating on your wives is like that's just kent that's vulgar and trashy well no i like the real dr fouchy i'm pro that i just think he but i don't mean he hasn't done himself any favors with me i mean he hasn't like that's not good for your career to be like yeah but who cares about that well narcissist. Like if the indictment of him is that he's like pathologically narcissistic, I think it doesn't really track with necessarily. Yeah, but they, I mean, I don't know. I think like, but I'm in mind. I don't know why I like him. Yeah, I don't mind him. You kind of don't like him, but that's okay. Well, because I don't have some firsthand experience. And I don't, I don't, I don't not like him. I'm, I'll put it that way. I don't not like him. I don't have like an active.

dislike or hatred of him. I don't think he's the best faith actor, but I think he's good enough. No, no. I actually, I do think that he, in a way, is a good faith actor because he's, I don't think he has any, like, clear-cut ulterior motives, and he's not, like, a person who has status, anxiety or social anxiety, which is very important. Mm-hmm. And allows him, right.

She actually said something very nice during the debate, which stuck with me because the guy who was arguing with him was like, oh, Curtis, you're like, Mr. Yervin, you're not reading the room. And he was like, I don't care to read the room. And I was like, yeah, thank you. I don't fucking care. Like, when people yell at you and they're like, oh, like, you're like a low-cower moral fag. I don't fucking care. I don't care. I mean, you know who's rocks at not reading the room. Who? Michael Tracey. those are the people that I like I like I like freaks and misfits who don't care about reading the room I like people who yeah are willing to espouse unpopular opinions in a crusade for something true and like even if it like seems antisocial and like it is antisocial because you're like exposing the public to unflattering and and uncomfortable realities. And we can't all be that way and shouldn't be, but we should value the people that are willing to. But also Yarvin's lying and he does want to read the room and make people laugh and tell his little stories. It's true, but he's like on a new tip

where he feels more comfortable and assured. And like, I get it. Like it's very like indecent and frustrating when people are like yelling at you over some bullshit that you don't care about because the fundamental thing that you're defending is the principle, the truth of the matter i know but you're letting them get to you and you should let the truth speak for itself no no i know but like it it doesn't matter and ultimately like i want to understand like my

my thing is like i want to spend like 24 hours in the mind of like your average 29 year old chinese man i want to spend the 24 hours at a foxcon factory making an ip-oom or libt hard i want to i want to understand the sort of cycle it's like the thing that you sent me of the Kennedy relative who's like denouncing RFK Jr. It's like there's always some random ass Kennedy. Yeah, who's like, what are you doing? Cory Kennedy.

Don't you realize. Just kidding. Our favorite Kennedy. Corey Kennedy. She is kind of my favorite Kennedy. But she's not an actual Kennedy. No. Okay.

Yeah. Thank God. No. Um, we should spread a rumor that she's the Camelot Kennedy. I think maybe that's not even her real name. Mm-hmm. And in her cobra snake era, I might be wrong. It's probably Corey Hirschleg.

Her and the triple ellipses cobra snake. Yeah, she had a different, she took on a different, maybe different, I mean, don't quote me on that. I don't know. Once again, don't have all the, even remotely information. Yeah. Just comes to mind. But yeah, when I read, what was his name? fucking

the new Kennedy John right there was Nicole Kennedy his cousin it was like John but J-O-N was that correct they're all such horrors yeah RFK included they all just like yeah they are at least RFK is like coherent and

charismatic and kind of like special enough but there's so many low tier Kennedys who like come out vain drunk Irish horse to be like he's a Democrat by name only and you're like shut who are who the fuck are you but like do you not realize that you're making yourself look bad to the people that actually matter whose judgment actually counts when you denounce your own relative look far worse

for what for having a full vaccine panel mandated by the government what do you want like you think this is a good idea you think the CDC I mean all of these it seems It looked so fake. Like, when you opened the Wall Street Journal op-ed from the lady that got fired, there's, like, photos of, like, weird boomer protesters holding signs that say, like, we love the CDC. And, like, then I saw another one that was, like, a protest sign, like, stuck in, like, a law and it said, like, CDC, like, you hang in there.

And it was, like, who the fuck? Like, that's fake. Those people are on someone's payroll. CDC, the Cuck Democrat Coalition. Oh, by the way, a cop. I heard from a police officer that the pro-palistine protesters

outside the UN get paid $100 a day that they're on some of these payroll and then maybe there's some grassroots activity outside of that but a lot of those people and this is something I've suspected from my time at the UN what made it wait hold on i have to pee but hold that thought because i'm curious like what made you suspect that okay what was you on about oh that i suspect it i suspect that a lot of the

protest activity obviously not all of it but around the u.n is astroturfed because when you see it so often and like so uniformly and maybe I'm just naive and I like under estimate or maybe I overestimate rather just like how NPC'd out everybody actually is that they're just like organically showing up to these artists but no they all have the same fucking chance they're all from some weird organization it seems like I don't know and they're like truly during the UNGA, which is coming up, it's like their, it's like every couple hours. And then there's always cops around who like, I mean, yeah, they apply for a permit to protest. I understand. I'm not like crazy. But I think the hostids maybe are one of the only ones like legitimately are,

like have grassroots top to bottom sort of cred. But everyone else like, yeah, they always have some weird sign. It's unclear what their aims are. They're mad about something. You don't really know. and yeah it would be interesting to get to the bottom of that like just like a investigation a documentary about where all these protesters are coming from i was thinking the same about like um like african uber eats drivers and um handbag sellers on canal like i would really just like to understand where they came from who's funding it where they live currently like what is their life like like at the end of the day

where do they go to lay their head probably not Manhattan no definitely not unless and it's like a he I don't mean it in a Gestapo way I mean it in a Hito style way like yeah like what is the

what are the networks right of like movement through which they like because these guys are out on Canal Street or on Delancey Street every day well those guys are different than the Uber Eats driver guys the handbag it does feel like they're yeah like if you could sell the handbags but all why would you do the Uber Eats deliveries yeah but all these like random like individuals like where are they coming from

how are they getting here where are they going what are their prospects What is their long-term reality? Like, I'm just curious. I mean, a lot of them probably come through, like, refugee programs. Yeah, I would guess. And then they want to make money to be upwardly mobile. Yeah, but then they're probably sending money back to. Yeah.

Maybe. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe not. Maybe they're just. Yeah, do they have families? They're just trying to, like, accrue money. that was

maybe they planned to even go back when my parents came here they didn't know initially that they wanted to stay in America

they came my dad on age 1B that's because America doesn't have good acrobats we actually need to get them we need to source them from Russia and Mongolia

because the American genetic stock is trash they don't have the athleticism of this eastern block countries it's not like

the Indians randomly or better coding than Americans, whatever. Are there? There's no way. Well, there's just so many of them. Statistically, some of them will be, you know,

exceptionally good at like a kind of computing. Because they are relatively IQ. But they shouldn't be taking American jobs. I agree with that. But whatever. But then when my dad lost his job, they did apply

for refugee status that they weren't granted, but they did it. keep working um but their initial plan wasn't to like become american citizens they were just kind of like make money go back to belarus with like you know what would have been a lot of money in a post-soviet state um but then like opportunities presented themselves and they had a daughter and they like you know wanted her to become a podcast they foresaw that she would have an amazing mind they first saw that she would have the most unique podcast

in America in 2025 no but like I want it but yeah they just want something their life sucks wherever the fuck they're from so they want to do something better these guys have like any sort of like long term goals or plans I think they're just going with the flow

and try to make as much money as possible yeah they're trying to survive but I'm just like really like deathly curious I should just go down there and ask them they must speak some English I think your intuition that they're trying to survive and make as much money as possible is basically correct but I'm just curious about like the actual mechanics of how that goes down right and like where where they go to go to sleep at the end of the night like they go somewhere in Queens where there's like 12 other boops like if they're refugees they go to the Roosevelt they don't anymore but you know they go to the Roseville hotel they have some kind of housing they go to Springfield Ohio They take up the Chinatown bus to Springfield, Ohio, every night and come back every morning.

They sleep in on the bus. I mean, yeah, I don't know. But they've been selling the handbags for so long, too. It's like, it does seem like a reliable racket. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I'm sure they're not making that much. All I'm saying is that as an empath. Where do they get the handbags?

I'm interested in their lives from. Chinese people because if you go down there because the Chinese people give you the laminated piece of paper with the pictures and there's always some like po-faced angry Chinese dowager in a sun hat that looks like my mom standing in the background overseeing all these young African guys with the blanket and sometimes they have some kind of verbal exchange I walked by the other day they were all scooping up their stuff and putting it away and they were doing it really swiftly and I was like the blanket something's going down by bow I was like The, they got the blanket system. They really figured out how to pick the most handbags up.

It's like when I do my makeup, I put it all on a tray. I figure out which cosmetics I'm going to use. I put them all out. And I do my makeup tutorial as makeup. And I wash my face go asleep. Or go nowhere. Yeah. Oh, I saw also when I was doing research and like randomly opened up like the news app.

you know, and then it was like, you know, clicking around just kind of like sourcing is my process. I read some article and some random thing called like the scientific America, some science. Oh, the newspaper. The scientific American. Yeah.

Is that, you know about that? Well, yeah, we talked about it. We did? Yeah, I think they may have,

I could be totally like wet-brained and making shit up, but I'm pretty sure that was one of the publications that published those early, one of those early um covid letters could it be anyway go on whatever i didn't even read the article that much kind of skimmed it but it was about an acne vaccine they're unrolling that they're like you can volunteer to be a test subject for in you but you have to go to Singapore you have to get like a shot another shot and then some boosters and you have to go to singapore to get your second shot it was the sketchiest ass and i was like how does acne vaccine even makes sense. How do you know that you're like so okay so you have to determine that you have a high

likelihood of developing acne without actually having developed it yet because then you're not a candidate any longer right? No I guess you could have in that mean that's exactly why it's like that's baffling is how someone's going to get an acne maxi. Yeah this doesn't make any sense to me. It prevented the onset of acne and mice. so yeah i guess like why are also stimulating acne and mice because mice don't naturally get acne i mean maybe they get something like acne that we don't we're i'm not looking at the mouse's skin like as amazing scientists getting amazing money to develop a acne vaccine like what are you we already have acutane yeah yeah i'm like picking an acne on my leg because it's bothering me

I have like an ingrown hair You'll never like that's As an acne sufferer It's obviously Because I put my hot phone on my face And don't wash my pillow case There's so many things that cause acne How could you

That just seems crazy Like how crazy would you have to be to get An acne vaccine A vaccine? A vaccine acne's not even viral no right no no wait what no definitely not but they're injecting you with something that'll prevent further outbreaks of acne the company is recruiting this is from nature dot com the company is recruiting up to 400 people with

moderate to severe acne to take part in a phase one clinical trial for its therapeutic vaccines they'll be given two injections initially in a booster shot or one year later and then they intend to do people with mild acne for a second clinical drill in Singapore and yeah this is based on studies some sociopath did with mice because yeah acne is caused by bacteria can't you just like it's an MRNA vaccine well can't you just like selective breed acne out of the population in the future my parents aren't me prone and yeah but i'm sure there's some like cluster of genes that codes for acne that you can just remove with all these new gene therapies right i think there's too many other factors i think if

we like yeah lived in some kind of like harmonious environment where there weren't toxins and you know yeah you didn't eat taco bell and shit and like drink alcohol you know it's like there's so many other things probably that if you really really really really didn't want to have acne which clearly i don't yeah clearly i'm prioritizing other life set or it doesn't at the end of the day and men find it kind of charming when you have a little bit of acne sometimes youthful yeah and esthetician told me yeah having oily skin yeah while there were drawbacks in terms of being acne prone it made you look younger in the long because we didn't because real dehydration is true you know that's why acutane yeah it clears

you up but then it tries you out yeah and also makes you want to kill yourself if you're a teen if you're a teen if you're a trans teen on a web-on movie about to do columbine they were on acutane they were both of them at least one of them maybe both interesting i think they were prescribing it a lot in that era, because acne was really... But you didn't have acne as a teenager? No, I did. I've had acne for Madlong. Oh, interesting.

It's like better. Yeah. But what the fuck is up with that? I had really bad acne as a teenager, but like it, not since then. And now I just have like enlarged pores and like congested skin. But it's called being... A cystic one's bad, but since I have randomly have health insurance, I don't know. wait how did you get health insurance

well through cobra oh right so that the hospital wouldn't bankrupt me once again another extremely flawed and broken system anyway we've almost

done two hours we don't even have to get into you got what you asked for faggots we gotta go yeah we don't even have time to victim blame we're gonna let Michael Tracy

take the wheel I'm gonna complain about these Let's get him on. We'll get him on. We'll rehash it and it all be good. So true. And then he can tell us exactly which alleged victims are lying. Yes.

Are slightly more credible, which ones were groomed at what age? Because he's got the information. All right. Okay. See you now. See you now. Thank you.