Red Scare - We Found Love in a Popeless Place

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

The ladies discuss the Pope's final farewell, Kanye's incest arc, the new Met Gala theme, and the rise of the so-called "womanosphere."

Music Happy Armenian Holocaust Remembrance Day, Anna. Happy Autism Awareness Month. For real. They're not calling it the Holocaust or the genocide. People are mad. What do they call it? I don't know. Armenians are mad at Trump because he refused to name it.

Like Eric Adams because he got all that all those Turkish bribes. Yeah because you know they're they have to be friends with Israel and Turkey and Azerbaijan and all that shit. Oh right Israel doesn't acknowledge it. That's humorous. Israel doesn't acknowledge it. That's humorous. They don't want another ethnic group to have a grievance, I guess. They don't want anybody else elbowing in on their Holocaust industry.

Bobby Fisher called it a money-making machine. It is, spot the light. I don't know if this is to the credit of Armenians, but it's good that we're not as ethno-nationalistic as the Jays. I mean, we're really ethno-nationalistic. Well, you had a nation. Yeah. And still do. Yeah.

I guess. We have a homeland. Yeah. And then the Jews, when they got Israel, they've meant so much to them. But I saw a clip of like Ann Coulter on like C-SPAN or Fox or something today talking about like making this good point that a lot of people, even we've made that like, we're kind of lucky that Trump lost in 2020. Because we got way more ramped up. Yeah. Because we had four years of like woke crap.

Yeah, exactly. And Trump persecution that really made him mad. And it's almost kind of good that the Armenians were denied their genocide, because it keeps them more humble and focused. They'd be really, really annoying if they had their own Holocaust industry. Well, they're just not smart enough. Yeah.

Is to leverage the kind of apparatus that it takes to create an industry out of a Holocaust. Yeah, they're not ironic people. Not to say which holocaust it was. It would never occur to them to even do that, even though they can be very maudlin and sentimental about it. Right. I mean, I've been kind of taking an interest in the Yugoslavian conflict and watching sort

of like there was a kind of a bunch of movies that came out in the early 2000s I watched one with Owen Wilson called Behind Enemy Lines. Yugoslavian arc. But that's also yeah like people that was so recent yeah That's why it's so crazy. And they did all this ethnic cleansing and no one even like, it doesn't even matter which group did it. It was all sort of, it doesn't matter. But one group did a lot of war crimes.

Yeah. But it's all, yeah. And then the Croats. But the Serbs really kicked it off. And it's no one cares, no it's no one cares at all anymore. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's like totally like buried, forgotten. Like the only people who care are like you and Nicolo.

Yeah. And me just like for the sheer kind of historical novelty of it. It was very interesting, yeah. Cause it's fun to do noticing in that part of the world. Well, it's crazy. It was so diverse, but like, quite peaceful. Yeah. But yeah, they all are also basically white, but then divided upon these like random, really religious ties. Yeah, my mom sent me this reel of this guy, Mikhail Trefimenko, who's like a film critic in Russia.

That was weirdly topical, because he was talking about how under the Soviet Union, they really kept the peace, because they were such utopians and also such authoritarians. Like under the Soviets, both Yugoslavia and Armenia as Azerbaijan experienced their most peaceful eras

in modern history. Well, because their communist leaders made nationalism illegal. Illegal and like literally rounded up and shot all the biggest, most vociferous nationalists and then went around from town to town as he said. And looked what happened. Yeah.

And made basically all these peasants listen to lectures on Bach and Rembrandt and really just forced culture down their throats. And I almost think that it's not even a specifically communist issue. It's just that they, these like small tribal nations were under the rule of law of like a third party external authority who kept them in line and check. And you think the subsequent fallout was a kind of return to... There is something that feels so like inevitable about it that these like ethnic religious ancient blood feuds would resurface so soon after an authoritarian regime falls. Yeah.

Yeah, of course, because people left to their own devices start like slaughtering their neighbors. And due to like the narcissism of small differences. Truly. It's funny how that works. But yeah, what an apocalyptic place. But yeah, there's some of my frame of mind feels very Balkan. Like currently or in general? Currently.

Like shattered. Oh, we're very Balkanized these days. It is getting more Balkan. Interesting. Yeah. Um, and, oh, yeah, I guess the set is the Conte. At last. We're all set of a cantus now. Yeah. Do we know who the replacement is? They haven't even they haven't even had the concrete- it hasn't started, I don't think. They're like getting together. They all have to go there. I respect the old man for spitefully hanging on until the day after Easter.

People are saying that JD Vance basically cursed him, but no offense, I don't think Vance has that kind of power. He's not Armenian. It's just a, yeah, a bad, humorous kind of timeline. But he has been dying. The thing is, I realized I did this, I did the rundown of all the papal, potential papal successors, like so long ago, because he's been sick for so long.

And then I forgot about it. potential people successors like so long ago because he's been sick for so long and Then I forgot about it. I Forgot all that information and now that he's really gone. I don't care again. Yeah Cuz I really don't you know, but I did I watched a BBC clip That gave like a rundown well, it's significant because Francis was very progressive and I watched a BBC clip that gave like a rundown. Well, it's significant because Francis was very progressive. And yeah, there's obviously two kinds of sentiment

within the church. A lot of people really liked Francis because he was so kind and permissive in a way that wasn't, that's always like adherent to the strictest of Catholic dogmas, but obviously most people like that. Yeah. You know, because Catholic dogmas are a bummer. And creep everyone out when you talk about everyone goes to hell except Catholics.

So the church, Francis Relief wasn't harping on that part so much, which made him very popular. Yeah, well, it's like that meme that Catholics on Twitter be like Vatican too instead of a cantism. I don't think I've ever said that word aloud. You said it before, but yeah. I don't think I've ever said that word aloud. You said it before, but yeah. And then like actual Catholics in real life are just like having barbecues and like cheating on their wife. Yeah.

But they did a global breakdown of the amount of like the Cardinals by nationality, which I thought was interesting because only 39% are European. Okay. And then 15% are from North America. 13 are from South America. 13% South America, 13% Africa, and then 17% Asia, and then 17% Asia, which is a really global, you know, that's an interesting demographic. Yeah. So it's still like a majority, probably Italians, but dwindling. Yeah. And the changing face of the Catholic Church.

Yeah. The African guy would be interesting because he's super well, there's a couple offering guys but Sarah, the one that's probably the most I think he's not gonna even guess. I'm so bad at the ethno. The one that said, we don't have a problem with AIDS in Africa because there's no homosexuality there. Yeah. So that'll be funny. I mean that I feel like that's like a good olive branch to both sides because Conservatives can have their trad pope and liberals can have their black pope Yeah But it's gonna keep people on their toes. Yeah, and I think people would prefer like the Filipino guy

You know because he's progressive. Yeah. And then when the African pope says he sucked his cousin's dick. It's not gay though. But the Sede will be Baconte when I get married, which was interesting. But the Sede will be Bokonte when I get married which was interesting But yeah, it doesn't I don't really care Yeah, they're gonna Obviously replace him with somebody they have it's that's how it works. Yeah

But it's a big event. It's been 20 years Yeah, but it's a big event. It's been 20 years. Who knows how many more popes will have? They all have to be so old. Like they have to, they don't have to be, but it's even be taken seriously. It's like they don't even consider you unless you're 70 years old. Is that like official or is it just an unofficial guideline? The youngest cardinal is like 44. And then everyone else is pretty old. But you have to have been like playing the Vatican game. Everyone's watching that movie Conclave now, which I watched over I'm really up to speed. But yeah, as long as Rome keeps letting Eastern Catholics do their thing, I don't know, it doesn't matter.

You have to be old enough where all of your crimes of aiding and abetting child molesters are so far behind you that they can't really get you on it. The guy real conservatives want is Erdo who's Hungarian. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. That would be my I'm just gonna. Everybody wants to talk about Epstein Island, but no one wants to talk about the real Cardinal Erdo. What the Vatican? Where? Yeah, there's the people talk islands somewhere where they ship the known offenders off to. I don't know. Oh, did you did you see the Virginia Guthrie killed herself? You're telling me this for the first time. No, it just happened.

We were doing this on April 24th, Armenian Holocaust Remembrance Day in the evening and we just found out. We just got the news. But she got hit by a bus or something recently too. Who knows? Well, she got hit by a bus and then experienced renal failure

and said she had days to live. Yeah, and she meant it. Yeah, but then she survived and then ended up taking control of the narrative by killing herself, which, you know, props to her because very few women actually go through with it. Props. few women actually go through with it. Props. But I watched a horrible documentary about a woman who was set on fire by her husband

and had burns all over her body, like when was dying and they were like, you know, being kept alive and rigged some loophole where she was able to give a recorded testimony so that he could still get in trouble for murder, if that makes sense. It was confusing, convoluted, and they kept showing footage of her in horrible agony, screaming, and so your whole body's a wound and you're just screaming.

It's literally called like the woman who was set on fire. And doesn't even have like a euphemistic title. But I bet, yeah, she was probably in excruciating pain from her, the bus. Yeah. And all the bus. Yeah. And all the injuries. Yeah. I don't want to, like, get into, like, a seedy

cynical analysis of Virginia Guffrey before her body's even gotten cold. But she like Dworkin would have a field day with her because she's very was very clearly BPD, and I would bet that o day with her because she's very, was very clearly BPD. And I would bet that owing to the circumstances of her life, those problems preceded any of the Epstein stuff. I mean, she was like a teen runaway and prostitute, right? By her own account, something like that.

And yeah. So those sorts of symptoms are definitely exacerbated by formative experiences. But rest in peace. For real. Well speaking of being molested and or molesting, so unclear. I was hoping that you... Monica was saying last night that the cousin was younger. We're talking about Kanye West here folks. He dropped an amazing song being a gay. He's not gay and but he gave his cousin head till he 14. And the cousin was nine.

That's what Monica was saying, but I didn't find any thing to corroborate that. He said the song is called Cousins about my cousin that's locked in jail for life for killing a pregnant lady a few years after I told him that we wouldn't look at dirty magazines together anymore. He wrote perhaps in my self-centered mess. I felt it was my fault that I showed him those dirty magazines when he was six and we acted out what we saw.

My dad had Playboy magazines, but the magazines I found in the top of my mom's closet were different, added Ye. My name is Ye and I sucked my cousin's dick till I was 14, tweet sent. I think that's what he said. So that would imply just getting the semantics that the cousin was older. Because if he killed a pregnant woman and is in jail, yeah, I mean, he could

have been a minor, but I'm assuming he was at least old in his teens. If not, above over 18. This is why they pay you the big bill. To be tried as an adult. So a couple of years after, I'm assuming that's when Yehysa, he wasn't gonna suck his dick anymore. So he was probably older. Yeah.

Or at least not so dressed, so drastically younger. And if that were the case, I don't think he would be using such a confessional mode. Yeah, but it's also yay. So yeah, he's a loose cannon. But it's funny because I had the scoop on the song days before it dropped because I had a girls night with Maddie and our friend Kenna and Maddie was telling me about the song. Maddie was singing the song to me in the office a couple like a week before I heard it. Yeah. And I was like, that's crazy. I bet I'll never hear that song. It sounds really good.

And I was like, that's crazy. I bet I'll never hear that song. It sounds really good. She was like, go Kanye has this dope new track that's never gonna be released. Yeah, it's about him doing incest to this cousin. And then two days later, she's on a plane to the Dominican Republic. And I'm like texting her furiously about the song being released. And she's like, you're telling me for the first time. That's amazing.

I feel like I'm part of the story now because I knew ahead of time that the song maybe was not going to drop but that there was something out there. Yeah. And it's even better than I thought. I know the song is such a banger. Yeah. I know that it's like probably just a demo, but I feel like he doesn't even have to like

remix or master it or whatever. It's released, it's got, it's. Yeah, and like the CD lo-fi quality really kind of puts you into the head space of what it must feel like to suck your cousin's dick or be sucked off by her cousin. Just it speaks to a universal human truth I feel that everyone can kind of relate to. Yeah I mean the story is really sad even if you're not addicted to nitrous. Yeah, or porn.

But it's like, I would bet that this kind of stuff is just more commonplace than we want to acknowledge across the board. I think that's very true. And I think, well, remember when Lena Dunham, everyone was, she wrote in her like book of personal essays about putting rocks in her sister's vagina when they were kids and everyone was like she you know yeah people were like she molested her sister and stuff like really hysterical and I think yeah it's where it's actually like kids do stuff that they don't understand yeah it's not even molestation or pedophilia if it's between two kids. It's like what do you classify it as? And like, you know me, I'm kind of like a molestation art aficionado. Like I'm a big fan of Tiger Tiger, the Margot Fragoso memoir that I talk about a lot on

this podcast. You've got to read Incest Diary. Huge fan of LIE. I should, yeah. It's one of the best works of incest art of all time. I would rank it very high. And like, it's, you know, I kind of nothing, even resembling that ever happened to me as a child,

but I identify with that because growing up in New Jersey, it was just like a heavy dark cloud of child molestation. Well, again, it's not with kids. It's like, that's the thing is that's, there's something about trauma that is so real, even if it's not done with malicious intent or, you know, he wasn't like, I believe that it was still like a shameful and traumatic ordeal.

Well it made even more shameful and traumatic after the fact because as a child it doesn't occur to you that it's shameful or traumatic though maybe or it maybe it feels wrong but you can't articulate but then you go tell someone or you encounter other people talking about it and it's just this whole like Dark taboo thing that makes you feel Like there's something horribly wrong with you. I remember especially. Yeah, cuz it's gay Yeah, like I knew I'm associating here to a girl I knew that I worked at a frozen yogurt store with who had a labiaplasty

We were like in high school Yeah, and she told me it's because her and her sister used to take baths together and like pull on each other's labias Yeah, she needed to correct to rectify it I was growing up in New Jersey my I mean, I remember when I was growing up in New Jersey, my apartment super and his wife, who seemed really old at the time, but in retrospect, were probably like 34 and 27, had these kids that we used to play with.

They were like our neighbors and friends and the girl acted really molested. Like she did a lot of the, you show me your China and I'll show you mine. They had like a Pac-man machine and a waterbed Like the pac-man machine was in her in the hallway and the waterbed was in her room Which is a weird thing for a small child to have in their room. That's such a like 90s kind of no, I'm not even new money, but it is like some yeah, I know you

they were like white trash and the the dad had two families like he had a previous marriage and a current marriage and Two sets of sons named Kevin. Okay, because his name was Kevin And I remember like one of his sons like confessing that the reason he had come to live with his father's new family was because his mom and stepdad made him and his brother act out like sexual fantasies and their older brother had AIDS.

I don't know how true this was, but he would talk like openly about like getting dittled as a kid, which was so dark. I had another friend when I was 11 or 12, who was like, should I suck this guy's dick that I'm talking to? He lives in the next town over, he's 14 years old. Oh yeah, and he's my cousin.

And sometimes when I'm drunk and spiraling, I'll look these people up on Facebook. You give your cousin a head. Yeah. And like. You call up your cousin. Dude, they're all so fucked up, multiple mug shots, convictions, death by suicide,

death by overdose, it's so bad. Well, Kanye is a success story in that regard. Yeah, he's amazing. I don't have any male cousins, but if I did, maybe I would give them a head. And also, like, the other thing that nobody wants to talk about is a ghetto incest. Not ready for that conversation. No, no, no. No, they are not. Because you know, like white people on Twitter would be like,

I was groomed and have trauma. Black people on Twitter would be like, I lost my virginity to my auntie when I was seven years old. Like in the black community, they don't call it pedophilia or molestation, they call it losing your virginity. Yeah, well, that's true of like machismo culture. Yeah they don't talk about their feelings. And they sometimes

fathers in communities in which masculinity is foregrounded in some way. They'll like take their sons to prostitutes when they're like 13 and stuff and have to have them like learn how to be a man. And so like that trope is... This is something that happens in Armenian culture. That's what I mean. It's not as singular. People love to talk about like the epidemic of hot teachers grooming teen boys among white people, but like there's an epidemic of ghetto incest in the black community. There just is and everybody knows it. It's like Kanye or Kelly, Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, they all saw shit they shouldn't have at a very young

age and weird shit happened to them at a really young age. You know that song from the Carter II receipt where he's like, you've been peeping me since I was younger, so young that you even called me your little brother, but I'm all grown up now and I got my own money. I'm married and divorced and my daughter is a woman. And he's talking about his daughter, Regina Carter, who he had as a teen.

And that album came out in 2005 and she was born in 1998. So you do the math. Can you do the math for me? She's like seven or eight. Yeah. But you know how it is. It's like those in the hood where it's like the low rises versus the high rises, like in Philly or Hartford or Beemore in New Jersey

We have them in Miami. You mean Hi, what do you mean like project? Okay. Yeah, but they're like horizontal versus vertical and like people be riding they buy This is how's the house like visiting they cousin? I'll also say a cause like some people have a lot of cousins. And like that too. For a second, like, you know, some communities are more clannish than others and have bigger and like sometimes you do just socially encounter one's cousin. It's like those stories about like gay twins separated at birth who

met years later, got into relationships and found out they were related. Like you look just like me, it's like Spider-Man. Like Nicolo's every Croatian person's cousin. Yeah, basically. They all know each other, yeah. Like he plugs in his 23and me is like a huge group. It's like you're literally related to this whole country. I guess we all are. I guess you're more related to Bella Russians and I'm more related to Armenians than your average person. But we're all a family of man.

But yeah, you know how like in the ghetto, there's always like these girls who are like kind of chubby and have frizzy hair and like the lame voice, not lame as uncool, but lame as literally lame. Like slow? Yeah, and they're like, hi yo, what up, so what do you come by later?

I don't know that, because I wasn't in the ghetto. Oh, I haven't spent a lot of time in the ghetto, even though I did live in the projects. In Bay Area? In Las Vegas as a child. Okay, yeah. But it was very ethnically mixed.

There were a lot of white kids there for sure. Same, we grew up in apartment housing and it was a lot of white trash, ghetto blacks, and then kind of transitional Indian, Chinese, Russian immigrants who would go on to make a lot of money. But I remember hanging out with this guy who was fucking when I was like 14 and

like going up into like this shitty like row house in Piscataway and there was just all these teen girls flopped on the bed smoking weed and one of their moms was going in and out and giving them like alcohol and drugs like that type of scene. That's really dark. It's like really just like, but it never occurred to me that that might be problematic I was like, oh, this is just how life works, right? but Yeah, once I got out of the projects

I didn't make it back So this is before your time and very East Coast, but like listening to Midnight Confessions, Funkmasterflex on Hot 97, and girls would call in and be like, yeah, I fucked my cousin, he has Down syndrome, but that dick retarded good. Oh my God. He held me down with his retard strength.

And there was- It sounds like a golden era of radio. It was amazing. I feel like Love Line and Midnight Confessions taught me everything I needed to know about human sexuality. Probably, yeah. And Stern. And I would listen to them when I was going to bed.

Yeah. Like four in the morning. Interesting. I'd like put on my Steve Madden platforms and dance around the room. Yeah. Yeah, did cousins unearth any traumatic memories? Well, I just think that Kanye is such a good artist that only he can

make something as taboo and troubling as gay incest seem less gay and embarrassing. Well I gotta say the song was written In particular the well the second half is just a Dave Blunt song about perks Yeah, but apparently Dave Blunt's for this whole album that guy was definitely molested. He's like the Andrea Dworkin of hip-hop I know it's crazy. He can't even take a selfie with his whole body. He can't. It's like hard to find a picture of him because he's so big. Or he's all in the picture.

Or he's all in the picture. Like he can't even, a photograph can't contain him. But I listen, because I have to wear headphones all day. Yeah. For aforementioned reasons, I listen to a lot of Dave Blunt's today. Yeah. I mean, everything you like about, well, again, Kanye's really shining as a producer. Yeah. Because he's like mashing these two samples together. And then,

yeah, Dave Blunt's also came up with the refrain of I gave my cousin head. Dave Blunt also came up with the refrain of I gave my cousin head And then the Ten hits to get high is just a Dave Blunt song about how he needs ten perks to get high Well, he's in he's addicted to his sip his sippy cup his most famous is called The Cup and it's how he can put the cup down. But, yeah, incredible, brilliant. And I think it really, once again, he's tapping, even if you didn't suck your cousin's dick,

even if you're not a morbidly obese Black zoomer You still feel The pain of that experience yeah they really I really like you in the zone, yeah, i'm like I I Know what it feels. I'm so immobilized by hormonal dread that I may as well be an obese black boy in Iowa. There's a universal pain here.

You kind of have the palette of a fat black nerd. What right now? No like your food preferences. He has a song called Taco Bell. I like anime. Yeah I'm alienated. Like you go somewhere and everyone's having steak and Dasha's like, I'm going to have some fried chicken. Steaks overrated, honestly. You're right. But yeah, Kanye is like single-handedly exploding the two biggest taboos, which are on racism and pedophilia slash incest, which is great. I mean, he has such like truly lethal artistic instincts and people love to like concern troll about him

and be like, well, he's mentally ill, he's going through it, he should seek help, he's a danger to himself and others and all this shit. But I feel like his mental illness hasn't really negatively impacted his artistic instincts and if anything it's sharpened them. The nitrous is work. I was very today I was like should I do some nitrous like I've done it before but you know

not in a while and I was like yeah he got me hankering. Riley said he thought that would be disgusting. If he got into nitrous and the 34 year old woman is about to get married and has a career. If I started doing whippets. Yeah you should get really fat I'm not just saying that. It could just be an interesting social experiment. Like I said to you, I think people will be nicer to me. Dash, blunts. I think people would be kinder to me. They would be. If I wasn't so thin. But sorry, that's the way God made me. But it turns out having like good artistic instincts is pretty simple. You just have to go for the biggest taboos. It turns out having good artistic instincts is pretty simple. You just have to go for the biggest taboos. It's like Donald Trump, you know that talking point?

It's not that simple. Okay, I'll say- Being willing to- It's simple, but it's not easy. Being willing to engage with taboos will make your work potentially stronger. But whatever Kanye has, whatever he's a channel for, is distinct and can't be. Well, I think it's just like really cool that he's openly making art about these shameful these shameful experiences that most people would be too embarrassed to air. And like, yeah, it's like the Donald Trump thing where they're like talking about

another powerful Gemini with killer instincts when they're like, oh, like the whole thing with Art of the Deal where it's like he has one negotiating tactic and he talks about it and Deal and every time he does something people like panic Mm-hmm, and it's like read art of the deal in which he says like I haven't even read art of the deal I've like skimmed it what he talks about right like I have to like so chaos Yeah, you come in hot. Yeah, and then You true then they'll meet you more than halfway. Yeah, because you create panic, which gives you leverage because people are like, what did he mean by that? That boop is crazy.

Vladimir stop. I love that that really resonated with me. Just cause that feeling of just, I'm just, just stop. Art of the deal. Sometimes you just gotta tell someone to stop, see if that works. Maybe it will. Yeah, Kanye posted some TikTok of a guy talking about how he was wearing the black Klansman fit. Because in a reference to the Spanish Inquisition, when they were doing their inquiries, when

they were being a little inquisitive and rounding up the Jews and the Moors, who he said were like black alchemists and like mathematician, like the black super race. And they weren't even black. He claims they were. They were the real Jews, right? The blacks and they were the ones that weren't killed were made to wear like what looked like Klansmen outfits, but way back when, as a symbol of their sin. And that's what, like putting on the black Klansmen hood, Kanye is like showing us something profound.

He's showing us a memory, which I thought was really cool, and like black alchemist style. Like, yeah, he's actually not being a edgelord. He's like being a, he's refracting like a memory in the collective unconscious back to us about what happened to black magicians and the Catholic church. And yeah, I wouldn't have seen this if Kanye didn't amplify it.

So thank you for I sat my white ass down and listened. The Yugoslav wars. It's very the Balkan terror aesthetic is very up his alley with the ski masks and the violence. For sure. It's very Tumblr. It's very, you know, yeah. So sick. And he also just has like good taste because he's a gay nerd.

He's a cuck. Yeah, that's that's also really cool. He's a rape cuck. Because you know cucks are actually really powerful people at the end of the day. So true. They're not weak and powerless. It's like the thing TLP says, their fantasy is not watching their girl get railed out

by a bunch of guys. Their fantasy is depriving their girl of their own love and affection. Well, yes. But that's, there's people who, that's like someone with like a cuck holding fetish. And a lot of people... But a cuck is just someone who's been cucked. It's like being raped. It just happens to you.

You're cucked. Everyone's cucked by life. Everyone's cucked and raped by life. It's a universal experience. Exactly. But in a fetish context, that's usually why people develop those fetishes is because they already feel cucked. And so it makes them feel powerful to make someone cuck them. Yeah.

It's twisted. Yeah. They're reclaiming the narrative. Exactly. And Kanye is doing that as well. That's really like- And I can't wait to hear Kuk. Unlocked, dislodged a lot of repressed memories for me.

I was also thinking about how like- It feels like a huge breakthrough. Cause I saw that girl, Lily Phillips, on some podcast talking about how she was first exposed to porn when she was 11. I was like, whatever bitch. You were practically a woman. I saw porn for the first time when I was like six years old.

How? Because of a black guy. Interesting. Who in retrospect was very like Kanye Kourt. He was not like a typical guy you would associate with being black. He was not like a thug or a hood and he was not one of those like professional. He had a hot to some. He wears like a smidgen camel coat on the train to his $50,000 a year job. He was a weird nerd incel who wore all black like baggy hoodies and like dickies.

He lived in the apartment beneath us and we would sort of rubber neck outside of his window because his room was like papered floor to ceiling and porn and he would have the TV on with porn. Goon cave. Yeah. Interesting. Ancient goon cave from the nineties. Analog. Because, yeah, I probably, I saw porn, well, that's not true.

What were you gonna say? I was gonna say on the internet. But I have this crazy memory. Molested. memory of being molested, no, of being like six. And I don't think my parents took me to like a sex shop, but we were in Las Vegas for sure. And I was in some kind of novelty store that definitely had like a naughty element to it.

I don't think it was like a full on like sex shop, but I remember looking at a greeting card that had like, that's a Goldilocks and the three cocks. And it was like, this one's too big, this one's too small, this one was just right. Kind of like raunchy or crummy in a cartoon. And being, yeah, like unsettled and scared. And then I'm sure just in like the atmosphere of Las Vegas

in Reno and Atlantic City, I was exposed to pornographic images. But like real, real like vivid, I'm looking at pornography was like probably 10 or 11 on the internet. Yeah, that makes sense. But it's cute that we're synced and basically saw porn for the first time in six years.

Or saw something, yeah. Wildly inappropriate. But I bet kids these days are seeing it even younger online because it's like extremely Ubiquitous It's all one big goon cave now you don't even have to crane your neck But it made it yeah, it clearly made an impression because you made some beautiful art out of it much like Kanye West. Mm hmm.

Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't remember feeling confused or disturbed when I saw porn for the first time. I was like, yes. I remember finding my dad's Russian playboys and those feeling. I was definitely younger than 11. Yeah. But they were so glossy that they felt like, they didn't feel a seedy even. It felt kind of like, yeah, it's like high production. Yeah, I was it didn't, that didn't leave an impression on me. Yeah, as much. But like, basically childhood

was a giant, like, expedition to find an encounter porn, like going to Barnes and Noble, the adult section and putting one book inside of another book and like hiding in the corner and some fucking fat Enby bitch running up on you and telling your mother. My parents were really, really wholesome in spite of the fact that they had like not the best marriage. They never exposed us to anything weird or creepy. Yeah, like they

did a good job like shielding us from that. Mine did as best as I could but I always appreciate my mom because she was super cool about all of these weird encounters and would just laugh it off. Like when the Barnes and Noble employee like marched me over to my mom she just left. And when I was I have a vivid fucked up Freudian memory that I probably shouldn't say on the pod but in the spirit of Kanye, he really inspired me because it's like oh you can just say anything and it ceases to be shameful or embarrassing. Every time he has like a proliferation of creative activity, I feel like it somehow recharged and like something excites feels excited.

He's so it's so hard in 2025. Yeah. To do something exciting. Yeah, it's also like the same effect that Donald Trump produces really. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you feel you like are temporarily like, it like shocks you out of this like Veil's been lifted but I remember being like this was in Russia so I must have been three or four years old not even five

and I did the thing that all kids do where I would like masturbate for exploratory reasons versus than for sexual pleasure. Yeah. And my mom's mom was like a very straight laced conservative peasant woman who was like a Christian and she was really freaked out by anything sexual or trashy. And I remember her like pulling the covers off of me and discovering me and calling my mom in to scold me, which could have been truly disastrous, but my mom just kind of laughed her off. So I really appreciate that woman

because much like Kanye and Trump, she's a true Gemini chaos agent. It's very interesting. She raised me right. I mean, yeah, that could have been a much more traumatic incident. Well, yeah, I think the big trauma comes from being shamed and scolded for what are on the whole like natural impulses. When I was little, I really wanted to be a gynecologist, a popnei braj. Like that's so crazy. I wanted to like professionally stare at people's genitals. It's so mentally ill.

Yeah, that's, I mean, someone's gotta do it. And it's probably early childhood stuff that sets someone down that path, you know? But I don't know, it's like tough. I live in fear of like having a kid in the global goon cave because you wanna shield them as much as possible. Yeah. And that's really like probably not very practical. Once they get online, it's basically impossible, I feel. So you have to just kind of

make them robust and resilient before they log on. Yeah, resilient before they before they before they log on Yeah, you have to decide you have to fry those dopamine receptors really early send me those links so I know what to avoid I Actually had Kanye muted cuz he was posed when he was posting a lot of pornography. I was a little like, I was like, I just, it's, but then I unmuted cause I was like, I don't want to miss this. Yeah. I'm back.

Wait, I like Googled, I like searched my photos for Kanye cause I have like all these screenshots. I'm going to read the track listing of cock, I'm gonna read the track listing of cock Which again this was mostly written by Dave blunt And if it's anything like his discography we're in for a Extreme treat mm-hmm world or three

Cosby free Free Diddy, Cousins, Bianca, number six, Virgil, let me down. Number seven, Hal Hitler. Number eight, Hitler, yay, and Jesus. Nine, Jared. 10, Money and Fame, Track 11, Nitrous. I was like, is he talking about Jared Fogle, but he's clearly talking about Jared Kushner. He's not my Jared Kushner. Yeah. I was like, damn. Well, Dave Blunt's uses hard R.

In his songs, which is an interesting, very like, opiate cadence. Yeah. The er. The er. The er. The er. The er. The er. The er. The er. The er. which is an interesting, very like opiate cadence.

Yeah. The er. Mm-hmm. Is he, he's a West Coast guy. He's from Salt Lake City originally, but it's like from Iowa, which is like, he's Midwest, I guess. And he's going on tour.

But I'll be on my honeymoon, so. I'm gonna have to cancel it. I'm gonna have to cancel it. To go to the Dave Blunt's concert. I wanna see Dave Blunt's on tour just to see how fat he is in person. Well, he went viral for having like a oxygen tank or something on stage.

He has to like sit on a couch like in the wire. He's like 600 pounds. Absolutely huge. That sucks, man. I mean, the last time we had a morbidly obese rapper, you know what happened. So I hope he like makes it out and loses the weight. So I hope he like makes it out and loses the weight. This could be big for him. Kuk could be big for him. And he said it's not an anti-semitic album and he knows that because he wrote the whole

thing. Yeah. And there's really no incentive for him to lose weight because it's not like he's not getting bitches. I mean, I wonder about because he has a lot of sexual content. He's like, I'm like, can he even a lot of sexual content. He's like I'm like can he even How? No way. How are you getting head?

How can how you have to like lift up all these layers you could lie down I'm only lying down surely It's like unpacking a shipping container. There's a bunch of like dead prostitutes up in there. But that's what's amazing about art. You know, you can be free and say anything and you can be free in it in a way that, um, transcends your wretched human form. True. You know, you don't have to be in this prison. You can tell about it. I'm like, I feel like, yeah, today I really was like,

I feel like an animal and I want nothing more than to be out of this experience. Yeah. Every time you get your period, you feel like Dave Blunt. Yes, seriously. I was like, it's as hard for me to move. 600 pounds is bearing down on me. Cause yeah, you just, you feel so much better when it starts, you know? And if you don't, I think it's, the thing about tracking your cycle

that sucks is then it like amplifies your awareness, which is good and bad. But sometimes I just will be like hysterical and crying and not know why and then get my period. But now I'm kind of like, oh, I know I'm gonna get my period. And so I can like triangulate all these symptoms, but then it like, maybe I feel a little too entitled to lean into the sensation rather than like,

you know, like I'm giving myself space. Well, that's very wise and noble of you, but you don't wanna like say that out in the open because you wanna, you know, art of the deal, be able to use your PMS as leverage against men, especially. I think it is good to be open about where you're at in your cycle, you know, because then you don't have to weaponize it as much as it's more of like an honest exchange or just where you're at. And yeah, you're like more sensitive to experiences.

So you have to tread a little carefully. And then you can avoid it, you know, hopefully. We've said this a million times, but it's so true. Like every time you're about to get your period, you're like, addled and inconsolable. There's nothing to lose. Nothing. Every single time you forget

that you're about to get your period. Even if you know you're about to get it, it doesn't matter. And feel like so damaged and defective. You're like, what's wrong with me that I'm an adult woman and I can't get it together and I'm crying because I saw a cute dog in a commercial. And I wanna do nitrous.

And I wanna do nitrous like Kanye West, even though he says it doesn't help him. Yeah. But I'm like, a trance sounds okay. I wanna abandon my family and go live in a van on the Pacific Ocean glass and become a survivalist or get really fat just to see what it's like. You see pics of Stav now in light of Dave Blunt's

and you're like, oh, he's like one of those guys that was in a freak show and considered morbidly obese in 1900, he's just normal. I know I look at all pictures of him from when Adam and I were we went to Japan and it's crazy how he was comically fat then and he's not he looks skinny in those pictures. Hey I have a great guest idea for Adam Friedland's show. Yeah. Dave Blunt's. Get him in that chair Seriously, they're gonna have to put a whole couch on stage. That is a good idea, but he could do it If anyone can do it out of yeah

He can't get up to your third floor walk up he won't be coming on red-skin He can't fit into this room. This is like the size of Dave Blunt. Dave Blunt. He probably weighs more than both of us combined. Yeah, definitely. Because we trade 300 pounds. Over the weight limit of your average elevator.

of your average elevator. The fat jokes don't really hit when a guy is like unabashed about it. It goes without saying. But hey, Kanye and Dave Blunt's the two coolest black guys in the world. Now that BLM has made black people uncool. Matt Gallo's gonna. I really hope Kanye's there.

I know they're not gonna invite him. But if there was ever a black dandy, a black flan-er, it's Kanye West. The new Criterion Gala is my Matt Gallo. It's Kanye West. The new Criterion Gala is my Met Gala. Literally, it's so sad it isn't. I'm like, it's a gala, I'm going to Met Gala. I'm gonna sit in the corner of this gala again. Sit at the kids table all over in the back

where no one can see us. where no one can see us. Um, but yeah, the theme for the Met Gala is down low brother. It's being down. Literally, it kind of is being a down low brother. In your cousin's dick. An article that you sent me was hilarious. Wait, which one? About, it was like a HuffPo article.

This year's Met Gala theme is a brazen defiance of Trump's anti-DEI agenda. Held on May 5th this year, a theme and exhibition which opens to the public. It's called Super Fine. Super Fine. Tailoring black style. The assignment for the throngs of attending celebrities and fashion icons is to dress

in a style that's tailored for you. The theme draws inspiration from Monica Miller's 2009 book, Slaves to Fashion, Black Dandyism and the styling of black diasporic identity. Miller, chair of Africana Studies at Barnard College, also is a guest curator for the exhibition. Vogue hosts the yearly event to fundraise for the Costume Institute, which with tickets for entry at $75,000, it's so funny when black people try to sound smart. And their thesis is like Stacey Adams. Yeah. I bet that book's mad annoying. But it's the first real Met Gala that is menswear centric. Yeah. I read in time wrote like everything you need to know about the Met Gala, the math explainer

thing. And they said that there was an exhibit in 2003 called Men in Skirts. But the theme of the Met Gala that year was like Greco-Roman. It was like goddesses, it was like whatever. And that was like an exhibit within it And this is before Anna Wintour made the Met Gala what we kind of know it to be now. So men just wore sexitos and it was like Jake Gyllenhaal looking like low-key and like not a big it wasn't it wasn't really a red carpet And I actually am intrigued. It's nice. The nice

thing about this theme is that celebs can't just ignore it and dress like a lot of people aren't going to go to the megal. They should just all go in black. Exactly. What are you gonna do? Like how are you gonna honor the spirit and identity of black culture without getting canceled? And like-

I think a lot of people are just not gonna go. Yeah. Cause no, well, cause it's also the politics of it as a designer has to invite you and dress you. Right. And so I don't think we'll see really people gonna be dressed in a white celeb up like a black dandy anymore it's all like black celebs like Tyler and Taylor Russell it's like Fashion's Night Out

well Sienna Miller yeah goes lots of like lower tier celebs kind of go, like Kate Bosworth always looks gorgeous. It's always like really pretty way fish actresses from like the early odds. Yeah. Who are now like 45. They're still doing the rounds because they have you know some gay guy love smiled upon them. Because they're friends of Zak Posen. You know, when I think of black dandies, they mention like Martin Luther King, who I don't associate with dandyism at all, and Dapper Dan, who I know nothing about.

Because he doubt, because Dapper isn't in it. But when I think of like a well-dressed black dandy, I think of like Miles Davis or Andre 3000 or even Pharrell. Like those kind of guys. Well, Pharrell is on the board. Him and Aesop Rocky. Okay, another, yeah. So they're gonna come out.

Rihanna is gonna do something exciting. Yeah. But it'll, it's interesting because yeah, they're centering, you know, black style black experience Right on brother brother man super man but that's and that's super fine, but still people like it does Ironically shift the focus on the white people because you're gonna be like, let's see how these white people are gonna interpret the theme

It's like the Mission Impossible meme of trying to get to the thing through lasers. It actually paradoxically de-centers the black experience by introducing this racial and gendered taboo into the theme that the few white people that do go are going to have to like conform to. Yeah, it's going to be a real minefield for them. And that'll be intriguing. Anna Winter is smart about how to move fashion through cultural movements and progress cultural conversations,

said Emile Wilbican, assistant professor in the marketing communication department at the Fashion Institute of Technology. He explained the cultural significance of this year's theme noting, with the super fine exhibition happening in the era of Trump and anti-DI, the rolling back of civil rights bills, laws and policies, here comes this exhibition that's celebrating

the very thing being rolled back. It's a very high and very intellectual form of resistance. Wilbican who created Native Sun Channel. He must be very high IQ. Queer Tea Forum for the representation of black gay men goes on to explain that of any event, the Met Gala has the highest engagement across all social platforms. Not this year. Well, this year it's not going to be as popular.

I imagine all of these black male celebrities, authors, thought leaders, athletes, actors and playwrights on the steps of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It's going to be profound because of the instant and viral power of social media. The resonance of these images is going to be exponential. Black people be sounding like me when they try to sound smart. It's like words, salad. Did a black person write this essay? They're like, it Slave Play. Oh, Jeremy O'Hara's. I bet he'll be there. He'll be up in there. It's going to be Billy Porter.

Who's like the biggest, most mid DI hire ever. Like, I don't know who let that guy in. But menswear interesting. Yeah. That's fun. It's nice it's men, you know. Yeah I mean I'm interested in it because like I think we'll see some of style. We're gonna see some yeah for sure. I think I like I'm I'm pro I'm pro. Yeah I'm into like neoliberal kitsch or whatever. And it's better than, yeah, just being like heavenly bodies where it's like, look at my body, like, just you'll be like, vague and ambiguous. Yeah, they really gave them like a challenge that they had to

either accept. I wish I was invited this year. So I would show up and head to toe supreme I was thinking of just like wearing the new criterion gal like Rachel Chandler style no makeup a hoodie they need to honor uh bone thugs and Wu-Tang Clan. I mean, you know. You know. New Criterion? You know, no, Mackell, you know how I am.

I'm like the biggest wigger ever. And to me, like the pinnacle of fashion was like late 90s, early 2000s rappers. So yeah. It was like Ludacris, Lil Wayne. Like they all had so much swag. There's this book you've got to check out. It's called From Slavery to the Ghetto. That's this book you've got to check out. It's called Slavery? The ghetto.

That's also so funny because they say slaves to, it's called slaves to fashion. That's so lazy. It's a nod to Dandyism, which originated during the transatlantic slave trade when masters would dress their slaves up in an ostentatious manner to mirror their aesthetic and distinguish the house slaves from the field slaves. So you're saying the theme is gone with the wind, which you won't do and which Elena Velez already did. Interesting. This is like last night when Heather McDonald was really laying into Edward Said. I really didn't expect that evening to turn into like an orientalism bash fest, but I was here for it. Pleasantly surprised. She really rizzed us up. But she was basically saying that all these like woke academics try to pretend

that like art history and archeology were a white man's way of plundering and despoiling. Yeah, she talks about the Met exhibit on the Dutch. Yeah. What was it? The Dutch on the Dutch. Yeah. What was it? The Dutch Masters. Yeah. Yeah.

And that the still lives neglected to depict there was like wall texts about the violence of colonialism is auspiciously absent. It's missing, yeah. From Dutch still lives. They weren't thinking about how people like 400 years later would interpret their paintings of inanimate objects. But it's like, obviously, like those people single-handedly preserved the artifacts and traditions of these cultures, which it didn't occur to the people who were living in those

cultures to do even though all of that stuff was just like laying in ruin around them. Yeah. Which is so funny. And also it's like Dandyism is clearly like black men emulating English culture, which they still do to this day. It's like Tyrone is a old British name. I think it's like Iris or something.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's like the way Russian people were obsessed with France. Yeah. Or the Bolsheviks. Yeah. But like Anglo African American. Like a lot of black cultural and aesthetic conventions are basically and aesthetic conventions are basically a mimicry of like posh British culture. Colonial. Yeah. Colonial aesthetics. Which are great. Yeah they're awesome. And improved upon by the swaggy blacks. Yeah that's the thing, it's literally it's cultural appropriation,

which is good and interesting. Yeah. It's gonna be, I think a cool one. Yeah, I'm interested in seeing how it goes. We can have Paul Cupo back on. Yeah. Since he's worked for like, Teleforan advice. He's perfect, yeah.

And when I first met him, I thought he was maybe a little black or Hispanic at least. Arab. Yeah, it's like, you know, when they talk about how chattel slavery basically destroyed the black family, which it did because it tore children from their parents.

There's even like a plot line in Gone With the Wind where Scarlett's loyal and beloved house slave persuades her to buy his wife from a neighboring plantation so they can be together again, something like that. I may not be remembering it correctly. But did African slaves who were coming from these like tribes and villages like have a concept of like the Western bourgeois nuclear family as such like come on. That's a good point. Like did they have traditional families in the sense that we think of them?

No. That's another yeah it's a colonial framework imposed on an enslaved population. So not only did it rip their families apart, it created the family, the idea of the family. It invented the family only to destroy it. Yeah. It's really like multifaceted in its oppression. Dandyism also connotes hyper attention

to public presentation, which traditionally sits in the realm of the feminine, according to archaic gender binaries. Trends in menswear and male grooming over the past 10 years support the idea of a shift in the male aesthetic that embraces gender fluidity, another notion the gallus theme touches upon. This notion can be seen as an act of resistance

because it's diametrically opposed to the hyper-masculinity endorsed by Trump, Elon Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg of late. When you see white supremacists gather in DC, the look is of a mix of athleisure, the red MAGA hat, and hate, Wilbican said. Still being in the party. They're poor, they're poor!

Over the past 10 years, the male aesthetic is more preppy and well done. Thanks, Sax and Ratcliffe in the white lotus. That is so crazy Yeah, it's like what are we talking about here? We're talking about like maggots huds who are white trash. Yeah, it's literally Making like a really it's like a class it is It's a vulgar class reductionism, but in a for the right cause, non leftist frame, it's saying like white people dress like this, but really you're saying poor people dress like this. Yeah.

Yeah. Poor people care about masculinity. Rich people are faggots. Yeah, exactly. They take a little more attention in the faggoty way. They should just make the theme faggots. Larry Kramer faggot. Dress code faggoty.

You gotta make sure you look real faggoty this year. And it's like obviously like black culture is like already like flamboyant and hyper masculine. Because also I, it's like the thing that we were talking out with T chat about the commonalities between like Russian black culture where like it's basically a culture that's like voluntarily or involuntarily a matriarchy. It's like in the bird kingdom where the men are more flamboyant than

the women. And usually among humans it's like the other way around. Yeah, so there's yeah a lot of variation, but conventionally, yeah. Fashion's kind of a, well, it is such a gay, it's not even that transgressive to do gay guys. To be gay in fashion. Like that wasn't. But also like lumping Trump and Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg together. It's like, first of all, Trump and Mark Zuckerberg already dress like black guys. Well, Trump is aspirational to that community and Zuckerberg started dressing like a wigger.

Yeah, he's having like a wiggery glow up. Yeah. But he also is like, but Elon Musk doesn't care. Yeah, Elon Musk has autism. Zuckerberg wasn't MAGA until it was advantageous for him to be. Yeah. So it's irrelevant. Yeah.

Isn't a good example of anything besides like, being a spineless conformist. Yeah, like corporate interests, mirroring larger political cultural trends. But Elon Musk would be a good theme. Yeah, autism. That's so, yeah, why not? The spectrum. Why not the autism?

That'd be good for Cara Delevingne. Let the autists shine. Yeah. Kanye would also do a great job that year too. They really, come on, let him go. Anna Wintour, if you're listening. I want to be on the committee that comes up with the themes, because that seems so much fun.

I don't even have to be invited. Cause I'm like poor and a loser. I've been watching project one way. Oh yeah. Like the old seasons. Yeah. Or is it still going? No, no, cause Elena is making me a dress,

but she asked me to source the fabric. So I went to mood. she asked me to source the fabric. So I went to mood. And a couple other who I bought too much fabric. I liked it. I was like spurging and you know, picked out some I didn't have it wasn't like any fabric. It was like a specific stretch and weight. So I had but then I picked one that was like not the best, maybe like all sallow. But then I was like, oh yeah, Mood from Project Runway. And it's crazy how no one really from that show was successful at all. And the like Michael Kors, Heidi Klum, that bitch from Mary Claire magazine. They're on such a high horse about like, yeah, they're on such a high horse about like, Heidi Klum's always like, this is not cool. It's like the three people with the worst fashion in the fashion world. They really and all they have like the tackiest worst taste ever.

It's awesome. They're like, you should throw on some jewel tones, bedazzle that. Yeah. But you know, the judges don tones, bedazzle that. Yeah. You know, the judges don't wanna see something boring. Yeah, yeah. Ha! FIT is also such a vibe. So true. It's like when you think of mediocrity, you think of FIT. Yeah.

It's so crazy how in the fashion world, there's actually so few people who have good taste. Yeah. It's so crazy how in the fashion world there's actually so few people who have good taste. Yeah. Like you could probably count them on one hand and two of them are the Olsen twins. Who else is? I mean I like Sienna Mill once again. I'm gonna ride for her. I hope she goes to the Met Gala and still just does like a boho thing.

I hope she just does it completely. I hope Chloe invites her and just dresses her in like a early aughts like boho fit. Just ignore the assignment completely. Just like a low rise skirt and a Moroccan belt. And galoshes. It's getting house slave. I feel like yeah this year it's like dangerous for white people and probably bad for black people because they're they have no constraints.

They can just be themselves, which all people kind of like start to lose it when they have too much freedom. Yeah, maybe they won't. Maybe they need to be restrained in some kind of system. I'm just kidding. I don't know, I'm anti-slavery all, okay? And I'm super woke and excited for the Met Gala and I love black fashion and menswear.

black fashion And menswear But yeah, like I said, I think the whites are gonna be of more interest It's like that Nick landline about like who knew that cheap labor would be so expensive. I've never read Nickland. No, it was Tweetie had it. I've also never read Nickland. Cause it's like Delusian, like gibberish. Yeah.

It's a Dugan-esque. Yeah. I hope ASAP Rocky does like the 2009 Alexander Wang fit. Him and Rihanna's gonna really, you know, she's gonna be the creative director. Oh, really? Like officially? No, no, I just mean of their relationship and public appearances.

I love Rihanna so much. Unironically, I know she's your natal twin. Dead ass. I really relate to her. That's why we're so much. Ironically, I know she's your natal twin. Deadass. I really relate to her as a stone cold whore who had kids and became like all maternal all of a sudden. I relate to her as someone who did some stuff and doesn't do stuff anymore. Who's not gonna make a new album. Because she's doing some new- album? Because she's doing something. She's doing something else.

We all want it, but she's not gonna get it. They're my favorite black nuclear family because they clearly just like love each other so much and they love their kids so much. I mean, and she's such a prize. Drake has that line too about in one of his, maybe All Me where he talks about how he fucked his babysitter as a child. He alludes to some.

That's so Jewish. Trying to be black, but it comes off as Jewish. Fucked a Jewish baby. Should we talk about the woman? The woman is here. I didn't read that article. I just like scroll down to the part where they mention us. They barely mentioned us. Yeah, it's not about us.

Yeah, I don't even know why we're on that list. We're not really it's I think that this piece is EV magazine. Yeah, PR placement puff piece. Definitely. Yeah. placement puff piece. Definitely. And because it talks about like Candice Owens and then like some right wing. Oh, and what's her name from the one whose brother? What's her? She's a boy's name. Cooper. Brett. Brett Cooper. Right. I was gonna say Britt Marling. And then I remembered she's like an early aughts actress. It's her Candace Owens, some like kind of crunchy health influencer, kind of macha coded girl who is conservative

but is repackaging it in a threatening, you know, she's slipping the insidious conservative ideas into her preoccupation with health, which is a larger trend. And then we're really like a footnote. But then I think because there is no real woman-ness fear, they selectively placed us like in this image to make it seem like they were talking about something real but

really they're just talking about EV Magazine which no one reads. Yeah it's like I have a vague awareness of all these people but I don't engage with that segment of the media. I don't claim them. Yeah, they don't claim us either, frankly. Yeah, the girl Alex Clark, who they say panders to- Never heard of her. Well, cause she's like a zoomer. Like if you were probably on TikTok, you might know. I don't know, but she allegedly panders to cute, cute servatives. And they say the title of Clark's videos

take a harmless, just asking questions tone that invites people to click and see for themselves, yet far from providing options for them. And Clark allows her guests to peddle scientifically dubious claims in service of a Christian conservative worldview. An episode called To Vax or Not To Vax features an interview with an outspoken anti-vaccine doctor Bob Sears who has been disciplined, Anna. Disciplined. He was disciplined by California State Medical Board for wrongly exempting a two-year-old patient from vaccinations.

What kind of vaccinations? The COVID vaccine? Probably. I mean, who knows? But like, yeah, even that just like, okay, they have like some credentialed disciplinarian measure that was taken against some guy who got a two, instead of two year old shouldn't be vaccinated. Erroneously. Um, and it doesn't take long for Aaron Kierati, the Catholic Think Tank fellow interviewed on, is IVF a huge ethical mistake to tell listeners that there's no such thing as an ethical way to perform IVF? Which, okay, she's a Christian, that's her continent. She crusade against topics such as birth control, that it accelerates aging, induces abortion,

causes cancer and fertility issues. Leads to depression? Yeah, and that this makes sense in light of the Trump administration's pro-natalist policy agenda. Then it gets into Turning Point USA, investing in 350 allegedly conservative conservative influencers which I'm sure is true. And then but Evie's really kind of like they quote people like freelance writers for Evie because they are all, but then they say Eevee's reach shouldn't be overstated. It has 200,000 followers on Instagram. Compared with

Cosmopolitan's 4 million and has only put out three print issues in four years. But they're increasingly finding new ways to garner attention by featuring the ballerina farms girl. And then they talked to someone who's like a conservative pagan who writes for them. And it's the most like that's Teal Money. That's what Teal Money is. That's EV Magazine. But everybody knows by now that funding,

financing influencers is a losing game because the whole point of being successful at influencing is that your appeal has to be organic. Yeah, it's like the whole thing that we were talking about how like the Democrats take away from the second Trump term was that we need to fund more leftist Joe Rogan. Never mind that he's already kind of a leftist, but whatever. Well, they make the case that yeah, like they don't say Rogan, obviously, because he's non grata, but like the O'Von and stuff like the Manosphere isn't overtly political the way that again, this made up woman is here is and then Candice Owens who yeah you can obviously pull lots of like damning because her whole thing is sleuthing yeah she was on Theo on recently which I was listening to because they're neighbors apparently interesting but um but yeah her show is fucking unwatchable

because her whole thing is like, I've got the scoop, I know the truth about Justin Bieber. And then it's like an hour long video where because she's made it her whole brand to be like whistle blowing and stuff, of course she's gonna end up lying and being super boring because she has to make content and she can't be- Bridget McCrone's a man. Bridget McCrone is a man.

Bridget McCrone is a man. It's all this... She's doing the transvestigating. She's like... Who is the demographic for this? Apparently she's... Women who call other women ugly on the internet. She's coming for Brett Cooper's crown. Trying to be Elon's next baby mama. I mean, I guess people consume a lot of content, is the thing, but no one is invested in Brett Cooper.

No one cares about Candace Owens. Everyone can see her eyes. There's no parasocial. They make the case that the conservative influencers are particularly dangerous because of the parasocial dynamic, but no one has parasocial attachment to Candace Owens. Or to EV Magazine.

No, no one is reading EV Magazine's a flop. EV Magazine has been trying to divert attention to themselves for years now. Yeah. They're just so clearly astroturfed. They're so fake. And they're, in addition to being fake. They're a flop because they're just aping the like aesthetic and tone of like

Cosmo. It looks like Elle magazine. And then you look closely. It's like implants of false memory where Evie magazine's always it's always been Evie magazine. What are you talking about? You know, it's like, and it would be so much, it would be so much more fresh and super fine for like an authentically right wing publication to have its own kind of, to do a new thing. Yeah. Not just like.

To talk about getting molested by your cousin. Exactly. Not just pretend to be an old thing, but like, instead of, but for married women only, like we're gonna do Cosmo, but you better be in a Christian marriage. Like no one wants that. Yeah.

No one wants that. No one's reading that. No. They can't eat, it's, yeah. Like the EV Magazine girl is the one who had that like They can't eat it's yeah. Like the EV Magazine girl is the one who had that like a viral much discussed Twitter thread about her husband and how you have to marry someone who you're passionate about. Yeah, you gotta be a gorgeous model.

Yeah. With a doting husband. Yeah. He takes you on an elaborate vacation. to be a gorgeous model with a doting husband. He takes you on an elaborate vacation. Those girls really do suffer from false consciousness because they're like LARPing as tradwives but are actually business women. Well, they can't even put the magazine out.

Yeah, but their whole thing is like, cucking their husband into taking travel photos with them for viral content online. My honeymoon's gonna go off. Oh. Oh. Poor Riley. He is, I'm like, do you wanna see my Pinterest board? And he'll like dutifully let his eyes scan over it.

I'm like, I bought some head scarves or mango. And he's like, can you take a photo of me flipping the bird to the arch of Titus? of me flipping the bird to the arch of Titus. Arching my back in front of some ancient ruins. But yeah, that like trad conservative segment of women's online media is just like very tedious and uninspiring. Yeah. Because women by and large are not funny.

No, so they don't have... And they're very literal, so they make everything like overtly political. The article gets this when they're citing like the Theo Vons and like Andrew Tate does the, he's the most overt like Manosphere guy, but even he is like, a lot of his stuff is about like gambling and you know, men have a lot of other interests. Yeah, lifting weights, shooting guns. Whereas women just have themselves.

Yeah. And then extrapolate like their narcissism onto like politics. Yeah. extrapolate like their narcissism onto like politics. So it's not funny or interesting or related to anything besides like women once again. A feminist triumph. Yeah it's just like a long-winded elaborate way of saying like pay attention to me because I'm hotter than you and also morally superior. Yeah. We're so fertile. I have, yeah, exactly. It's like weird internecine dominance games about who's the most fertile and then they're

all like childless somehow. They're spiritually childless because they're like, I get my period on time, therefore I must be fertile As long as you have Extreme emotional highs and lows, you know, everything's real fertile women are like on Instagram making reels about diastasis recti, which is gonna be my new identity. What's diastasis? It's like this disgusting but very common condition

that when you're pregnant, your abs split, like the ab wall, and it creates all these problems. Like it gives you like a pregnancy pooch. It makes you like incontinent. It makes- Is it related to the pelvic floor? Yeah, exactly. And so you have to do like Pilates and Kegels to fix it,

but you really can't, you can only manage it. And I just unlock this whole new world of like women fitness influencers who have like five or six or seven kids don't really look that good and are like letting their like stomach hang out and doing like 100 core work yeah I mean I was like in the spirit of the prenatal pilates yeah yoga whatever I was trying like laying in the bathtub and they were like, okay, you can self diagnose for this condition

if you insert two fingers into your abs and they fit. And I was like putting my whole like David Cronenberg style. I was like fisting my abs. It sounds Cronenbergian for sure. Yeah, that sounds awful. It's like literally fine, not painful at all, manageable condition, but like that's like the real fertility. It's not like some hot babe on Twitter who's like strong-arming her boyfriend to take pics of her on vacation. Do you think Ballerina farms has that?

Good question. She's had a lot of kids. Yeah. But she's super healthy and strong from being Mormon and a ballerina. But it's weird because like the way the media functions now is that they don't describe a problem or a phenomenon, they try to invent it. And it doesn't really, there's no such thing as the womanosphere.

No, it's like the women's movement. Like the Diddy an essay, where she says they tried to make, foster class consciousness. Yeah, she had the great line where she was like, oh yeah, first they tried the working class, then they tried the minorities, and they didn't take the bait.

And then they realized they had this whole like prone voting block of people who were willing to make it about themselves. But it's the same and it's really simple like, whereas these people would have been more fringe and were more fringe in the, or didn't exist at all. Yeah, because Peter Thiel didn't find it optimal to invest in a magazine at that time. Or like, yeah, they wouldn't have had, they wouldn't have had the popular support to sustain themselves because Trump derangement, there had not been a vibe shift yet, so-called.

But now obviously there's money to be made in people who foster, like in the case of the health influencer, some quote conservative sentiment because they don't wanna be poisoned by their environment, which I guess is a Democrat thing, is to castrate and sterilize and poison you. So anyone who doesn't want that is de facto right wing. Which is so funny because again, this is a very trite and beaten to death talking point, but like the

original people who were like environment whistleblowers were always leftists. The original like corporate whistleblowers were always leftists. It was a very like stock left wing cause to be suspicious of corporations, pharmaceuticals, that sort of thing. But now the woke ideological capture of the last four to eight years has really shifted. And now people are just, the article doesn't't even like I mean yet has this vaguely like They're drawing you in. Yeah under Being benign, but actually they're nefarious. Yeah, but like it's not even can't even go that hard

It was like the four what happened to the 4b movement. What was that again? It was like the thing that started in Korea Where they have a real gender war. Then after Trump, remember when we were saying we're not gonna date or have sex. We're gonna withhold sex. Yeah. Because we're not really having any sex anyway. And it was like a very female thing where it was like really one thing that was like split

into four things. Yeah. Whether or not dating or getting married or having sex or having kids. And it's like four distinct things that they are doing, but it's really just one thing. Literally one thing. But no one's even doing that. Yeah. That didn't come to pass.

And now, yeah, you'll see more like woman-ness fear. And then we just get lumped in because we are women, I guess, technically. But- I know. We're like somewhat prominent media foids. Yeah, who have like organic kind of engagement. Don't say that, Dasha. Why?

You're kicking the cornets' nest. But we lend legitimacy. Yeah, they're they invoke us to sort of like round out kind of a but really, they're not talking about anything. We have nothing to do with and we're like peripheral to it anyway. Yeah. But it makes it seem like a more cohesive project 2025. I've never told women to be thin or fertile or Republican. I'm like, you should gain 600 pounds and get a drug addiction and kill yourself.

You should get top surgery. I mean, I think it's, you should be able to talk about how birth control is bad for you. I don't think that's an extremist. Yeah, obviously being thin and fertile and a Republican was preferable to being a fat, sterile Democrat. Yeah, I think that's easy. Well that's why I'd almost feel, that's why I'm, you know, like Candace Owens, I would stake my professional reputation.

Her voice, for me it's a voice. It's so like, it, the GPA is too high. It's not relatable. But yeah, it's like that this is just a, that it's a EV Magazine financed PR piece. Yeah, it's like a, yeah, a puff piece that they exceeded. Yeah. So that they can get fake outraged about it.

Well, exactly. Because if the Guardian had real umbrage to take, they wouldn't use that frame. They would use something more sensational or, you know. Yeah. They're not like, but maybe that's all just kind of fading away too. Well, and also let's face it, these women are offensive and nefarious, not because they're conservative. Because they're uninspired. Yeah, because they have boring and stale ideas.

I feel bad. Will Menacher actually said something smart years ago where he was like, the more exposure you get in the media, the more you self-censor. Because you can already anticipate what your critics will say ahead of time. So I like really try not to say anything that can also be used against me. Like, I really hate when people actually go online and call other people ugly and stupid. Yeah. And I will die on the hill like to my credit I have never used the you word to refer to anyone. Maybe not on Twitter but certainly on this show. I don't think

I've ever said so and so is ugly. Okay. In such harsh and concrete terms. That was like my original beef with like Charles Carroll roasting Bella Ramsey or whatever. But like, like it's hard for me to like, run up on this podcast and be like, yeah, these women are dull and uninspired and whatever. The Banquan Freed scandal girl was ugly. I feel like we discussed that. I've always thought this is very, you know, nonpartisan of me. Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Yeah.

Absolute monster. It's an extremely ugly lady. Yeah, not the best. I mean, it's not, I think it's like, it's akin to being fat where it's like, sometimes you just sort of, you're ugly. And it doesn't mean you should be you know in a freak show or anything like that or you know relegated to the yeah no obviously you can enjoy prominence and success even as

an ugly person but people can notice. I mean, I like your ugly people who make it against all odds. Same. They're really cool and worthy of respect. Yeah, they don't have the advantages. And I like people who I was talking about this earlier because Adam Lehrer posted like a side by side of Mickey Rourke when he was young and handsome

versus when he was like old and busted. That's who that was. And I guess I saw those pics but I don't know him. Well, I guess he had like a motorcycle accident and had to get plastic surgery to reconstruct his face. Who fucking knows? It's like Bob Dylan lying about his motorcycle accident. I don't know. Famous people are like famously unreliable narrators, but yeah, I have respect for like Michelle Welbeck

and Serge Gainsbourg and these guys who really like don't take care of themselves. Gerard Depardieu has a good look to him, but he looks like he would have, the side by side would make a lot of sense. Because he wasn't like strikingly he had a charm. Yeah, in his youth. But he was like the original Bella Ramsey. It wasn't like Elaine Delon looks like a freak now. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Jarja Pardoei's had a freakish. Yeah.

Klaus Kinski-esque. But basically these girls' worst crime is not that they're right wing, it's that they're unfunny. They're boring. Yeah. Candice Owen's boring. Yeah.

Candice at least has kind of a pulse. No, she's energetic. She's like ambitious and a trickster. And kind of a pulse. No, she's energetic. She's like an ambitious and a trickster and she has a personality. It's actually like, I wouldn't mind if she pulled back from the conspiracy and transvestigation content. Well, that makes me feel like she doesn't have, she can't just like, she can't do what like

Fuentes or Alex Jones do where they are able to get on a stream and like free associate and like they call people's attention so she always has to be like and stay tuned because I'm about to tell you something that I know and like and then you like I can't sustain interest that long I can't imagine women generally don't have that talent that's just not a talent that women are known for you actually have that talent you That's just not a talent that women are known for. You actually have that talent. You're like the rare woman that does, who can kind of like free associate and improvise. But generally like most of us women,

even the ones who are like, brave or humorous or whatever, are basically much more literal minded than your average man. Like that's just something I noticed. That's not even a critique. It's just like kind of a fact of life. Yeah. I wish it wasn't the case. I wish we had better womenosphere. It just is. And like, do we really need a womanosphere considering that like the internet

is basically woman centric now? It is like a long house. Yeah and there doesn't need whatever turning point USA has this funneling money into. What is turning point USA? It's like a conservative think tank. Okay. That is bankrolling apparently some influencers who most of which will not be full of any. Because they're being bankrolled. Exactly, they don't have the fight enough. It's like a tautology. To make it.

I asked that like Zoomer guy who was seated at our table at the New Criterion Gala what a think tank was because he was working for one. I actually don't, it's like a term I take for granted. I'm like, it's a tank where they do a lot of thinking. It's like fish tank, but for intellectuals. And he was like, oh, they're just basically like huge money laundering schemes.

Yeah, big time. I worked out of college at a think tank for reproductive justice. And I did jack shit. I wrote fucking memos all day that no one read, just went on the computer and had like vague tasks and was like sometimes compiling a list of other people

in the think tank or I was a research assistant. And yeah, I was just like a glorified intern. To nothing, absolutely nothing useful. The whole thing seems fruitless. Yeah, they also just put on a bunch of like fake events and galas to raise money for their random for laundering. Yeah. Did you see Glenn Greenwald and Chris Ruffo fighting? I did, but I couldn't really parse it. Yeah, I agree with Glenn probably.

Same. But I think like, okay, like the message that these, this woman is fear is supposedly putting out that you should be thin and fertile and Republican. That's not the worst message. It's actually pretty correct. Well, I think that- It's just that people can sense that their motivations

for promoting that type of message are false. Which is not. Yeah, would be the real kind of like damning perspective of an article of this sort to take. But once again, it's really just like paying lip service to a manufactured phenomenon. Yeah, it just reminded me of that article we discussed on the last one about like Kajuda and Hananiya and Pedro and how they like instantly flip-flopped on their like earnestly and deeply held convictions, which they never had in the first place, because ultimately they were in it for themselves and they're like professional and personal fulfillment, enrichment, whatever you wanna call it.

And like, that's fine. I don't really blame anybody for, you know, trying to make a buck or whatever. But people can sense that people are not retarded and they can sense that the message is hollow and disingenuous because they don't really mean what they say. They're not even retarded enough to read EV magazine.

To up their subscribers. read EV magazine. To like up their subscribers. I turn not, I mean, I'm pretty loose with the like, if there's a paywall and there's something I really, you know, I'm easy to hook. Yeah. I'm gullible and I will be like, whatever, like fuck it. You know, I'm paying for the Wall Street Journal.

Like I pay for all sorts, you know, I'm like, I'm like, oh fuck it, I'll, what does it say? But not once have I like clicked on or engaged with any EV content where I was like, I gotta know. What information do they have? They could write a whole article about how we're like ugly and fertile narcissistic foids who hit the wall and I still wouldn't click on that. That's my favorite kind of article to read.

I feel insulted to be included in the tableau. I feel like weird and annoying, but like in the spirit of the new Twitter where everything feels dead I also didn't really care. I know. It took me a while to get around to reading it. I think it had been 2019, I didn't read it. Eli sent it to me, which is cute, I guess. I guess I saw it on the TL. Nice pic of us at least. Screenshot. I was talking about

woke crap. But yeah, don't bother reading it because it's not about us. Stay tuned for maybe someone will write some articles in which we're more of a focal point. So there's some dead end magazine. I just really can't stand the way it looks like L is the same font and number of letters and does not a complete lack of vision. Yeah, the humorlessness I don't even know what it looks like. Honestly, I bet. And the thing is pink font. No, it looks exactly like L. I mean, they've only three issues, so. But it's white, at least, in the ones that I've seen. Because also the most humanizing thing about them

is that they're women, so they can't be bothered to get their shit together and release content on time. The thing is, it's been so long since I've read Cosmo, obviously, but somehow. Does that even still exist? Yeah, I feel like it's in the airports and maybe I'll pick one up next time I'm traveling. And what are they? But I feel like that's the thing is I feel like in Cosmo, they probably are publishing articles that are maybe not like because Teal also funded like a menstrual tracking app that Evie pushes. That's disgusting.

That their whole thing is, you know, their anti-birth control stance is like wrapped up in like shilling for a product that you can get to like, recover from birth control, blah, blah, blah. Why doesn't Veronica write for Evie? She sure she could. Monica Wright for Evie. She sure she could. What was she doing?

Oh. But I bet Cosmo's like not, I never had the impression that Cosmo was like for libtards. I thought it was just like for sluts. Yeah. And like brained up women. I mean, when I was reading it in the late 90s, early 2000s,

it was really like how to wax your pussy and blowjob tips to please your man that's like what you be does but like but it was part of that whole but asterisks yeah exactly and EV magazine allegedly is doing a similar thing but like asterisk like if you're married yeah but like the same basic content yeah and it was like really bad tips. Here's a quote from the article from Jesse Marie Baumgartner, a 41 year old former EV freelancer. Got the feeling they got not a lot of staff writers over there. I think it's primarily freelancers. We should get embedded at EV. Self-identified quote quote, conservative pagan,

mother of five, based outside St. Louis, Missouri, said that though she had written for other right-wing outlets before EV, she was attracted to, quote, being able to write specifically about women's issues like breastfeeding, home birth, and homeschooling. She was turned off by what she saw as an obsession with sex in mainstream women's magazines. Quoting her, they started writing articles

about younger and younger sex with younger and younger underage minors. And that was when I was like, ew, what's happening here? Oh, so you got older and you didn't wanna hear about young people having sex anymore. So you went over to EV Magazine, trying to peddle some of your perimenopausal ideas of being too obsessed with sex.

Oh yeah, I used to like when the women's magazine of being too obsessed with sex. Oh yeah, I used to like when the women's magazine wrote about having a tight pussy, but as my pussy loosened up over the years, yeah, I just couldn't read Seventeen magazine anymore. Once my pussy wasn't so wet with age. Now she's like Naomi Watts, like peddling like wet pussy drugs. She apparently had a very early menopause, I really feel for her. Well, she had five kids, whatever.

Is that true? You just said she did. No, I mean Naomi Watts. Oh, no, that's sad. That's why she became a... I mean, there's obviously financial incentive for her because she sells products, but I think Her de-stigmatizing menopause is really I think she was like in her thirties I love when that happens when you're like personal interests dovetail with your social cause

And also, yeah, I bet there's advantages to having like the physical strength of being relatively young though. Of course, you don't want to hit menopause that young, but like not to be a pick. She looks like Naomi Watts. Yeah, she looks skinnier than had she hit menopause later. She maybe wouldn't have had the strength to maintain. skinnier than I had she hit menopause later she maybe wouldn't have had the strength to maintain wait what like she would be like in her 50s old and downtrodden yeah could not devote herself to looks maxing yeah whereas you hit menopause in your 30s and you have more you know control I feel like over what happens. Yeah. Whereas I can't we just. I mean could the early menopause be triggered by her lifelong low-grade eating disorder? It's possible.

Possibly. Candace Owens is gonna have to make an hour long YouTube video. About how Naomi Watts is actually a man who transed her kids. Never even had a pause. And they were all named Jean Pierre. Jean Pierre Macron. Where is he now?

You have lists, stay tuned. That was an eight part. That was eight hours of transvestigating she did. Yeah. No one could who boring inside baseball content. I when we did I tried to nobody else because I tried to watch the very last installment because I was like yeah miss me with that shit. Just hit give it to me straight. And yeah the what I could make it through of, she's like, you're gonna wanna go back. You're not gonna be able to keep up. I've woven a tangled web

and you're gonna wanna watch parts one through seven to really get to the bottom of how a Virginia McCormick runs a man, which if there was a man, there would be a smoking gun. Yeah. And like, who's the audience for this? It's like moderately conservative, like mainline boomers who are like libs at heart and love to see like a young bright black girl winning.

I can't imagine. They're like, we'd love to have her as a daughter-in-law. I really don't know who would be enticed. But again, I think people watch, I underestimate how much people just consume stuff, which makes E.B. magazine's relative failure really as a publication even more notable. Because it's like people will kind of read anything and they're not gonna read this. Yeah I can't tell you how many people were like texting me DMing me and were like you guys have to cover the Douglas Murray Dave Smith debate on Rogan, nah dog. I've never been able to sit through an entire Rogan episode unless a man is literally holding me down. Unless you're on a road trip.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's not because I don't like Joe Rogan, like he's fine, I like what he's doing on the whole, he's like. I'm like that Whit Stillman metropolitan meme where I get my news from Nick Fuentes, that way I already know what to think about the news and I don't have to read the source material.

But I know he thinks Dave Smith is like a limited hangout controlled op situation that they're trying to reign in. They're trying to allow for a permissible amount of antisemitic ideas so that they can ultimately hold the reins on like how much, you know. Yeah. You can say like maybe, maybe the Holocaust, tad bit overblown.

A little bit astroturfed. But don't ask why. Yeah. But then you don't ask more questions than that because you already got, will give you a little and you don't get any more. Did you see that clip of Alex Jones interrupting Fuentes and Owen Troyer? No. He like swooped in there and was like,

guys, come on. Are they debating? No, I think they were just talking about the Jews. And I was like, I know we're not Judeo Christian here, we're just Christian, but like, why are we hating these 2000 year old people? He was being actually such a nice and sympathetic liberal. But I thought when he had Kanye's,

two years ago he was like, who? AJ? AJ, yeah. When Kanye was like in the early stages of nitrous psychosis and only starting to say that he loved Hitler and stuff. Yeah. And John was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

We're gonna go to commercial break. It's crazy like how nice and sweet he is, Alex Jones, and how he has this like outsize reputation for being like mean and bitter, and he's like neither of those things. He's just exhausting. He's just chaotic. Yeah.

But I thought Fuentes' remarks on Kanye's cousin, Dick sucking were also very, um, well, they are besties. I don't think he would extend that kind of empathy towards an op. No, he's obviously a big, they're both from Chicago. They are good friends as we know. Yeah. So I don't think he, Kanye could do anything. That would, yeah. Cause Fuentes is a turn on him. Much like I also am really writing with guys.

Yeah. He's done it again. There's very little that he can do to, especially if you're like, Fuentes at the end of the day is, you know, as much as we make fun of him for being gay and Mexican, he's a white guy. And white guys love the black guys, the brothers,

who are their friends and allies. It makes them feel like proud. Well, especially Kanye West though. I know, yeah, we discussed earlier, the taboo of ghetto incest, but Kanye really wasn't that ghetto. No, that's the thing. He was like, when he was talking about his upbringing, about how like, he grew up like

kind of in the hood, but they always had books in the home. It was kind of like, poor and dysfunctional, but but like ultimately not that bad because his mother was the chair of the English department at UChicago or something like that. Even if she had some gay porno magazines that ruined his life. But that's actually why he's a successful rap mogul. In part i mean this is like you can't like none of the reduce someone's access to guys are um actually like big shawn had a 4.0 gpa i can't like he's like hood dudes i mean i really don't know they had to be like alienated from their community to some extent. To be creative.

To be creative, to do any noticing. Like obviously that's true. I mean, I've said this before, but like, you know, like Lil Wayne, Prodigy from Mob Deep, like these guys were in like magnet classes in school. When Biggie was murdered, his mom, who's like this like very hardworking conservative West Indian woman went on the record to say like, I really didn't like when he rapped about how we didn't have food on the table or gifts for Christmas

because I made sure to provide for my kids. Immigrant parents hate that. They don't, yeah. Yeah, to her it was like. No, it brings great shame to your immigrant family. Yeah, it's like a sin to brag about. To talk about. Being like a poor criminal in the ghetto.

Totally. I mean, there's probably, you know, I'm not the hip hop historian here, but I know that there probably are some, you know, I'm not the hip hop historian here, but I know that there probably are some, you know, like in the NBA, some people had a rougher go of it and some people were selected for their talent early on and tracked into a successful avenue. But some people beat the odds.

Well, the NBA is now, did some people beat the odds. Well, the NBA is now did make it out the Yugoslav supremacy, which is, you know, a rough is a rough place to be. It's kind of like the ghetto. The Serbs, you know, probably they came from very recent. They're like white boy summons. Like no, actually like people from the Balkans are kind of black. They're like blacker than black. They're like, they have less generational wealth

than African-Americans. That's true, no? Probably. Cause it was, I mean, not every, you know, but like the total destruction of that part of the world in the mid 90s. Yeah. When, you know, there was all very, you know,

black people have been- These people came over here with nothing. Their dads are like physicists and neurologists and they're like driving a cab in shy congo but they're freakishly tall and very athletic for for whites aren't they like the tallest population or something? They're up there. I think Niccolo maybe told me that he was crotes, but I'm sure the same is true of Serbs due to them being basically indistinguishable. But yeah, they were the most athletic population and brute numbers or something like that.

I wasn't listening. Yeah. you