Red Scare - Whoopi Goldcube

Episode Date: February 7, 2022

The ladies discuss Whoopi Goldberg's Holocaust remarks blowout, Kim and Kanye's public divorce showdown, and the Central Park gold cube stunt.

I think I feel good about that. Yeah. Okay. We're back. We're back. Um, remotely, so you know that audio quality is fire. It's even better than usual, problem, no doubt. I am podcasting from my parents' house in Las Vegas for, yeah, really exciting.

We could have probably done one when I got back to New York, but I thought psychologically there'd be an interesting kind of affect. Angle, yeah. Yeah. Um, I do feel, I've been here since, I've been here for five days. Really? It feels like not that long to me. It feels long to me.

For some reason, but yeah. It feels long to you, yeah. Because you're in the big city with the hustle and bustle of it all and I'm in the suburbs like regressing, which is unfortunate because I'm almost, I'm almost 31 years old and I'm finding I'm still kind of a bit of an angsty individual who hasn't really recovered from being an only child, which in the grand scheme of things is a pretty minor trauma, but you know, and the scope of my life has accounted for some like intensities that I guess I won't go, I don't want to get into.

But I was going to ask, well, I was going to ask you what the pitfalls of being an only child are because I can tell you what the pitfalls of being a sibling are, which I won't tell you. We can talk about it. Yeah. Um, lavishing my shrink with this information. You were talking about your sister in therapy. Yeah, and like being, yeah, yeah, having like a sibling dynamic.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that that can go many ways as well. And there's, you know, varieties and all kind of, I like a lot of only children that I meet. I think I mostly do. I like all only children that I meet. I haven't met one that I hate yet.

And realistically, you know, if I procreate at all, as I hope to, I probably will have one. Why is that? I mean, I don't know. I guess I always thought I'd have one just because I'm such a narcissist. You're going to have that like, at a pole, like Freudian feedback loop? Yeah. I'm like, well, why would I have more than one when I was all alone?

And now that I have just like replicate the trauma. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's the, you know, there's the immigrant experience. There's the Las Vegas of it all. There was actually, I read an article today in the New Yorker that like I got in my email today that's about a Russian or the husband Roman is Russian and his wife is like French about a couple in Las Vegas who worked at a show called the Rev that was kind of like

a aquatic acrobatic showcase that has closed since COVID and how they're like readjusting to their lives is like acrobats in Vegas and it like mirrored my parents predicament so closely. And Vegas has really fallen on. I mean, it always does whenever there's like a 9-11 or a recession or something, it's like, it always really suffers, but COVID has really, I don't know, it's hard to go flat into the car. It's hard to go home.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's hard to go home in any scenario because you end up progressing and having a blowout fight with your parents and being your worst possible self and then you're like ashamed because all of the growth and improvement that you think you've done is immediately and automatically rolled back. Yeah. I think the second day I got here, I was talking to my therapist and I had so much hubris literally.

I was like, and it's going great. I was like, I showed my parents my abline and they were thrilled and I think it's all going to be fine. I'm like, I think I'm finally like a well adjusted person who's finally at peace. Yes. That's what you think. That's what you think. You really think I'm like, of course I'm normal.

I'm a normal person. Why wouldn't I have a normal relationship with my parents? Yeah. That's how I'm like, I have good credit. I have a savings account. I have medical insurance. Yeah. And then I like, my mom DMs me on Instagram and I'm like, oh my God, I'm so mentally

ill. I know. I'm like, I'm damaged. I'm damaged. I'm just a vessel for misery. I'm just a vessel for trauma. But your dad was proud of the abline. He loved the abline.

Yeah. He loved it. Yeah. That's all, that's the best bonding I ever did with my dad because I was like so thin in high school and he was so proud of me. Yeah. And my dad and I never really got along. You know, we were like oil and vinegar.

Well, because you were a whore. I was a whore and my dad was a conservative. A conservative, yeah. Immigrant. Yeah. Well, the immigrant thing. Yeah, with my parents also, it's like, I experience a lot of like frustrated language stuff. Yeah.

Because I speak to them in Russian and I am contrary to some of our haters. I am fluent in Russian, but I am like stunt. I'm like a fourth or maybe fifth grader tops. Like I'm severely stunted and obviously in English as a professional podcaster, I'm very verbal. Yes. I have like verbal acuity and like language is very important to me. And so when I can't express myself or when I'm like struggling to understand, my parents

watch this Russian game show that's all about like riddles. It's literally like riddles and I like watching it makes me feel like I'm having a stroke because I like don't understand any of the references. I like can't grasp anything anyone's talking about and it makes me feel like I'm retarged straight up. Because I am because yeah, like in the, in my grasp of like Russian language and culture I am retarded. Yeah.

You're like one of those orphans with like a shaved head, like shaving like I'm like huffing paint. Yeah. Like a crib. Yeah. I'm high on like paint thinner and a brain damage. Oh yeah. I mean, it's the same with, I guess my mother, we just like communicate.

I mean, actually, you know, we're, we're very lucky because we can actually at least semi-communicate a lot of people like a lot of immigrants like can't. They just don't talk to their parents at all. Cannot speak to their parents because their parents don't speak English. I mean, I'm my parent, it was my mom's birthday yesterday, happy birthday, Elena and she's 52. So they were like incredibly young as well. So they're like, they're functionally Gen Xers, but there's still this kind of cultural

chasm. Whatever. This is, yeah, I'll save, I'll save it for therapy. For your shrink. I will say though, I found a lot. I was looking through like old notebooks of mine as like from childhood. And I've always been religious and I've always been into anime. Those are like themes that are very prevalent through my life are like horny anime drawings

and like lots of God fearing, God, God loving like meditations. I am special because I believe because I care about God, which is so actually when I saw that one, I was like, wow, I was like proud of myself because I was like, I'm not special because God cares about me, you know, I'm like, I'm actually displaying some like theological spiritual like sophistication in my like innocent childish way. Yeah. I was, yeah, I was touched by my own like childish wisdom, I guess. Yeah, I was very touched by it.

I love when like somebody goes away and sends baby pics and like baby drawings. It's my favorite thing. Yeah, the drawings are, are cute. I love people, but no, they're like incredible. They're brilliant. I was like so. I sent you a really, I sent Anna. Anna, a really homophobic drawing that I, yeah, a transphobic.

It was a little transphobic, but I was, I was just a kid, yeah. You were always into anime. You were always God fearing and you were always a transphobe, no, but it was like, I sent it to my sister. No, I don't mind because I was like, I don't want to just send it perverted, pre to you. I wanted to send it to Nick Mullen because I was like, this is, this is, this is very like proto come town kind of artistry, but she, she like wrote back and she was like, you deserve each other because I used to also make my childhood art, but I've never met

anybody else who made such a perverted art. I wonder what that's all about. That one was, this was a bit of an outlier and I made it in who hurt you hurt my no good, really good question, really good question. My diaries, I found a kind of sort of extensive journal from 2002 when I was about 11 and it's very, I was kind of like, oh, I'm autistic because it's like, I watched David Letterman last night and my mom let me watch Craig Kilbourne after and like, I don't really like Craig Kilbourne, but like detailing like the guests on Letterman, I'm like obsessed with

late night television and journal about it every day. I mean, like you haven't changed. It's like really funny how we, we literally stay the same. I know. Yeah. Which is comforting. And your handwriting too. Yeah.

Which is comforting and scary, you know, I feel like it's mostly comforting. You find the consistency. I find it comforting because you're like a fixed entity and you can within reason improve upon yourself, but it's nice to know that we're born kind of in a fixed state. Yeah. Like it's not totally fixed. It's like fluid around the perimeter, but the autism sticks with you and the, I mean, I had, you know, obviously I had a period where I wasn't religious.

So it's kind of, it's sort of come full circle a bit. Yeah. Like the torn fishnet era, I had a fall from grace like many saints do, but I am special because I care about God and no one can take that away from me. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. It's like important to like, well, it's important to like not think you're special as you said because God uniquely smiles upon you, but because you have an active relationship with God.

Yeah. And a relationship to the divine though, I'm always freaked out by people who think that they're God's favorite, like that praying merch. Mm hmm. Well, the praying merch is highly blasphemous. Yes. I think it's supposed to be, but I was cleaning my house yesterday and I found like a birthday card from last birthday that you wrote me and the handwriting was the same.

I mean, it was obviously refined and more adult, but it had like the same like girlish wonderment. Yeah. Yeah. Fluidity. Well, that's very, that's very Russian. Yeah. I think almost cursive.

Can you write in Russian cursive? Mm hmm. Yeah. Cool. I mean, yeah, my mom shout out to Elena really like taught me to read and write in Russian as a kid, like after we emigrated and like. She made you like sit down. She.

Did you do the Osbukha? Yeah. She, I used like Soviet textbooks of hers probably from the 70s, I guess, but she really worked hard to like make sure that I retain that and I am legitimately very grateful for that. Yeah. It's a useful skill to have like this. It's not.

For me, you know, it's good to not be like totally disconnected from. For when you want to shout down the haters, like, no, I actually do speak at a fifth grade level. I can't speak Russian. I can speak Russian. I speak to the baby in Russian when we're alone. But I never do it like in the company of people because my pet peeve is like when people speak like French or something.

Yeah. Yeah. So annoying. I know. That's like all I know. Yeah. You're like Pierre. Pierre.

Pierre. Over here. Fetch mommy the croissants. Yeah. It's like so grating and annoying and but I do speak to the kid in Russian, which is like not a brag, it's actually a own because I probably speak really bad in correct Russian. He's going to have even worse Russian than I. Yeah.

Yeah. Totally. No, he's not. I'm going to take, I'm going to send him to like a Russian after school program or something. I'm going to find a really mean fat old woman. Yeah. You're going to send him to a Russian boarding school to make sure he doesn't turn out gay. Too late.

No. He's such a, he's such a ladies man, you can tell. He doesn't have a gay vibe. You can tell they even want a baby's gay. Yeah. He doesn't. He's too destructive. Like he likes to bash things and like build things.

He has a very, he's got a boy straight and narrow, a boisterous masculinity as Tucker Carlson calls it. Mm hmm. Wait, where? On his, he did a segment recently on, on that guy who got fired from CNN. What's his name? Zucker. Oh.

For like. The, the, the prez. For some fakes. For some. And gay trumped up meeting. Yeah. Some like. And it's really about something else that will never happen.

Light, light massaging and Tucker was lamenting the, I like how I just summarized Tucker Carlson talking points now, but yeah, he, it wasn't that good of a segment, but he was talking about, he's, and he said, used the phrase boisterous masculinity as something that's being kind of condemned and, you know, I would try, I attempted to be eradicated from our, from our culture, which we've been saying here at Red Square Pod for, for years now. Three and a half years. Where's my royalties? I have a son.

I can't go on Tucker. That'll really. I can. You can. You should. You should. I could. I mean, I'm going to show like my flash, my, um, exhausted copy tips that look like empty

ketchup. Stop. Anna. No. No. I'm kidding. I'm sure they look great. Yeah.

Yeah. I've never correct a mistake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll let Tucker be the judge of that. Okay.

Yeah. Um, the docket. Um, have you seen Kanye's drawings that were making their own like his teen drawings? No. Were they horny? From high school? They were. No, they weren't horny.

They were like very like art class, but they were good. No, I haven't. I haven't. Your, your childhood drawings are legitimately very impressive. Yeah. They were like bizarre and psychotic and I should like at least digitally scan them. Yeah. And then they get, keep those around for posterity.

For posterity? Yeah. Um, I have, I have a playboy that I made when I was 10 or a play girl that features like people in various sex acts and I, I keep wanting to post it, but I don't want people to like psychoanalyze me anymore than they already do. Yeah. There's a lot of interracial. Interesting.

Couplings. Couplings. That's, I would just like to see those out of, out of interest. Um. I also think like practically if I posted those drawings, I'd probably get like flagged on Instagram. They're so obscene. They're obscene.

Yeah. There's like penetrator, like you were depicting penetration. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I would never, I mean, I was so really afraid of going to hell. Like.

I see. There's also a big preoccupation of mine, which probably contributed to my horniness, but I like, there was some diary entry about like my dad stealing cable or like borrowing, which is so like book, book era, like cable box that like, and I was like, my dad's been stealing cable. I don't want anyone to know. I told him he could go to hell, but he doesn't care and, um, but I'm just so happy because I get to watch Ocean's Eleven.

I was really, yeah, um, everything I think really freaked me out and made me feel like I was gonna, it was gonna go to hell, which is probably why I became such a slut in my, in my teens. Yeah. That's, it has that kind of ricochet effect perhaps, but no, I would like to see those, see those drawings. Yeah, maybe I'll, uh, pull them up and put little emojis over your ending bits. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Um, you mean like black guys or? Yeah. I grew up in Central Jersey. There was a lot of black and Hispanic men around. So that was like who we had crushes on. That's cute. I had crushes.

Yeah. Yeah, there's, it was like a different vibe. I used to like my, you know, I'd go to West Hartford, Connecticut to my grandparents and they would let me like wearing my like Wu wear. And they would let me like walk to the Walgreens and buy like blue nail polish and like a word up magazines. I really aged myself. Like I'm like so old.

Oh, Anna. Yeah. Um, that's cool. Anyway. Speaking of which. Speaking of black guys. Well, speaking of black people, we've got a couple on the, on the docket I guess. Yeah.

And Joe Rogan, um, apologizing for saying the N word, which I wasn't even on the docket, but has been in the news, but I'm like, how we got to talk, we got to defend Joe Rogan every time on this, on this, on this damn show. That's a problem with all this like cancel culture stuff. It's just like, it's not even, again, that it's like unjust or punitive. It's like flattening. All we do is talk about Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan. All we do is defend Joe Rogan, Woody Allen.

Neither of them. Like I like both Tucker and Joe Rogan, but I feel very warm about them. I don't feel like hot about them. Like they're not like my first choice of person, uh, who I would put on a pedestal. I kind of resent having to defend these total normies. Woody I have real fervor for and like, we'll never stop defending. Um, but yeah, Tucker, I mean, Tucker doesn't need to defending. He has like the most, well him and Rogan, both they don't, you know, they've got the

most popular shows around. Um, but Rogan specifically seems to be under tremendous fire. And someone made like a compilation of every time he said the N word, which he then apologized for. Big mistake. Which he, he shouldn't have done it like, never explain, never apologize because the mob smells blood. They can feel your weakness.

And Spotify, I guess took 70 episodes of this down. So now he only has like 8,000 episodes left on Spotify. The other 40,000 episodes, 5 million hours of podcasting gold are still up there. But he doesn't say the N word in. They took down the offending episodes where he says the N word is that. No, they probably took down, they probably took down the COVID ones. Oh, I see. Because I think the N word stuff was even pre-podcast.

I didn't watch the clip because I don't like to hear that word, I don't even like to hear that word. Yeah. No, because I'm lazy and I don't actually care about how many times Joe Rogan has said the N word and whatever context he set it in, which he kind of took, you know, pains to explain that he was, you know, cut all together, it looks really bad. I mean, it is my worst nightmare as someone will take like a super cut of us, like, we've never said the N word, obviously, but you know, you could really take some stuff we've

said out of context. You could take some stuff we've said in context and it sounds pretty bad. Somebody DMed me today on Twitter and it was like, you're vile and it was like, not no. Yeah, okay. It's true. One man's opinion. No, it was like, it was a cute message, it was unusual because usually it's like some dirtbag left like cocaine joke or like a dick pic or something predictable, but this was

like a little bit more poetic and elevated. The cocaine stuff. I was like, I'll take it. Never has never. It's just, we don't do coke people. Well, definitely not now. No, my two worst fears are somebody, I'm going to will these fears into existence, are somebody like creating a super cut of us saying objectionable things.

And somebody pushing me off of the train platform. Well, that's going around. But you're not an Asian, old Asian lady, so you don't have to worry about that. That's true. And as long as you stand near an old Asian person, they'll be statistically targeted for train track pushing at a much higher rate than you. And never to wear a bucket hat or puffer vest on the subway so that I can't be mistaken for an old Asian person from the back.

Yeah, that's, yeah. I need to start, stop. I need to stop carrying tote bags. Yes. And yeah, it's another reason why it's simply unsafe for me to mask because when you can only see my asiatic features, my. You need to start carrying expensive handbags so that we get mugged, not pushed. The pushing, I mean, you just can be really vigilant about that as well.

And like, you're going to be fine. Yes. I'm more scared. My kind of irrational fears, knock on wood, is someone throwing a cup of acid into my face. Yeah. Every woman has that fear though. Yeah.

And luckily we're not Muslims so they don't, they don't do that so much over here. It's kind of a, a Saudi, a craze. Yeah. A Pakistani practice. Wait, so yeah, so I like logged on to Twitter today and it was just like all Rogan chat. And I threw in my two cents, but it sucks that you apologized. I made a joke about like Renee Gerard and Gerard and scapegoating because it seems to me like what's going on on Twitter with like these kind of waves of cancel campaigns on

Joe Rogan is actually very lindy. It's like timeless. Yeah. Because I think it's been happening, you know, since before the written word, certainly since biblical times. And I think like humans have. Rogan's Christ like in his. Yeah, he is.

Yeah. He's like a. And the way he's being crucified out there. Nailed to the cross. Yeah. He probably also resembles the real Jesus Christ way more than all those beautiful icons. Yeah. Yeah.

Which. Where Jesus looks like Kurt Cobain, you know. I sent you an accidentally sent you in a beautiful icon today where Jesus looks so beautiful. Yeah. He looks really cute. But yeah, he probably looks more like more like Rogan. Yeah.

Like a Neanderthal or ape, but I like, okay, this, I think people are inclined to organize themselves into mobs and meet out there twisted and perverted idea of justice, which means identifying and pursuing and punishing a person who they deem escape go. It's like these things, it's, it's similar to how like people bemoan like the rise of e-girls and only fans, but that's just a technologically empowered version of the natural Lindy impulse of women to put themselves on display and then objectify themselves and then get mad about it. It's Lindy.

I don't know if it's, I mean prostitution is definitely Lindy. Yeah. Uh, we've really grasped Lindy or it took us a while, but once we, once we got it down, now we're invoking it more than ever, but a prostitution, you know, famously the oldest profession, but I feel like the getting mad about objectifying oneself as a relatively new phenom. Yeah. No, I mean, I have to, I think, you know, like, because back in the day, back in ancient

times, you know, uh, prostitutes or like women who were part of, uh, what's it called? Like when a harem's or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. They were sort of, they had a space in society that had like some modicum of like respect. Yeah. But I think that like women historically throughout time, don't exactly know what they want. And then when they get what they think they want, they get confused and angry and retaliate.

Like that's a movie. Yeah. That's, that's, that's all I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. But they had like just like less avenues to put themselves on display.

Like they're, the only place they could put themselves on display was like in the harem. Right. And now. In a bathtub full of 12 other women or whatever. Now we're really at like peak. Uh. Yeah. Whore saturation.

Yes. There's far too many. Yeah. And prostitutes. They're like a dime a dozen now. It's not novelty anymore. No. So I think like what's happening with Rogan is like nothing new under the sun or whatever.

Yeah. It's just like the social media sphere makes it like the only thing. And he's too profitable ultimately and too popular to fail. So the whole thing is really just a bit of a charade. But you really like, I mean, I'm sure like every time he said the N word, it was like hilarious, you know, yes, and warranted is like him introducing some, some guys comedy that special that was like had the N word in it or like a book. He claims every time he used it in like, in the context of someone else saying it like

a quote, a quoting someone or I found an essay I wrote about Mark Twain in third in like not the fifth grade, maybe it must be because I typed it on a computer, but I was fully just typing the full ass N word in that paper. That's going to make that super cut. Yeah. I mean, blame the Clark County education system, you know, they gave me that assignment. Well, you used to be able to do that, right, like to descriptively use the word, like in academic essays and court proceedings, but now you can't because like, because of critical

race theory or yeah, something, that's what I think critical race theory is. It's how you're not allowed to say something that someone else said it. Race critical theory where I just whip out the calipers and race science theory, like scrap them for parts anyway. So the Olympics are on by the way, Elsa. Wait what? The Winter Olympics premiered yesterday, just thinking of phenotypes. But I was, this morning, because of this morning, I was watching the one where they

ski and then shoot the guns, which people in Belarus are famously pretty good at. And my dad said, no, he said like Americans don't usually do well in that one because all Americans know how to do is ride skateboard. But they were kind of doing well today at the shooting and the skiing. Really? Okay. Whatever. Sorry.

I guess I could. No, it's fine. I guess I'll tune into the Winter Olympics. Something else. It's not as fun as the summer at all. And it's in China. It's in Beijing. And it look, it's really like masked up authoritarian vibes and like there's no one.

It feels really Chinese and kind of bad to me. Asian village like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It does not really have the usual pageantry of, of the Olympics. It doesn't feel good. Okay.

Now, now I, I'm curious and I want to check it out because I want to see how the funk in Soviet it looks. Beijing vibes big time. Yeah. It's just like a bunch of little people in a trench coat, whatever. Anyway, so today we're talking about black people. The Holocaust kind of again. Do they or don't they deserve rights?

No, we're talking about Kanye and whoopee. Which shall we tackle first? I mean. Oh, and the gold cube. Yeah. Whoopee gold cube. Yeah. Naughty.

It's barely a joke. He has, has got in some trouble. I think we have our title. Yeah. There you go. Whoopee gotten some trouble for saying that the Holocaust was not about race because it was just about white people do. This is not a paywalled one, Anna.

We got to, we can't do the spicy stuff we were doing on our last Holocaust app. True, true. They can glean anything from the Whoopee Goldberg experience. She said it was white people doing it to white people. They started playing music, cut to commercial. She's been suspended for two weeks, which is pretty not bad. Which like, no, I said, like I said this to you, I was like, being suspended from your job for two weeks is like getting detention in school.

It's like fun and a relief because you don't have to go to the office. They do, they're not like this podcast, which convenes twice a week at best. They do it every day, right? The view. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like a morning show. I don't know.

I just, I just want to put it out there. For the record, I don't watch the view and I've also like never listened to Joe Rogan because some haters be coming at me sideways like, Anna loves Joe Rogan. It's like, I've literally never sat through an episode. I've, I've watched clips of Alex Jones on Joe Rogan or like other people, him dealing on Rogan. Yeah, I don't think I've ever. Have you ever listened to like a Joe Rogan episode?

Maybe with a boyfriend in a car. Yeah. Like going somewhere that was taking a while and they threw on a Rogan and I, you looked out the window, but no, I don't, I've never, I don't listen to, to podcasts. But yeah. So Whoopi, you were saying? Whoopi's taking some time off to think about what she said, Jonathan Greenblatt from the Anti-Defamation League said chimed in and said, you know, the Holocaust was about race because

blah, blah, Nazis did it to the Jews because they thought they were inferior. We all know. And then he said the view needs a Jewish host, which I was like, okay, what about Joy Behar? She's not Jewish. She's Italian. Yeah. She seems so Jewish. I know.

I know she's married to a Jew. Go figure. Huh. Yeah. She's not Jewish at all. She's like a hundo percent, Paul Coupo as Italian. Oh, wow. Okay.

Okay. That fucked me up. That fucked me up. That's like, it fucked me up the same like when I found out that Letterman wasn't Jewish because he's so. I knew Letterman wasn't Jewish because he's, is so Midwestern in this way that's very not un-Jewish. The friend of the pod, Stephen Garowitz is both, so it certainly happens, but whoopie

Goldberg claims to be Jewish or doesn't because she changed her name. Her real name is Karen Johnson. Wait, it is? Yeah. Her name's not whoopie Goldberg. She changed her name to whoopie Goldberg to be more successful in Hollywood, which is really smart. Oh, that's so funny and smart.

Yeah. Okay, I have a soft spot for whoopie Goldberg. I love whoopie. She reminds me of my mother. Like she has, she's like Black Olga. She has the same style and the same kind of like grouchy, grish, like demeanor. And like the same kind of like male-brained kind of challenging, but she's not a lesbian. But yeah.

Like she's just sort of like an embittered broad. Yeah. But she doesn't even seem like mean or bitter. She just seems like kind of like no nonsense. Like I think she'd probably be fun to like have a beer with. Definitely. And talk about the real numbers. But that's so cute that she changed her name like as kind of like a meta joke because she

figured her mom encouraged her perhaps or something. She must have changed it very early in her career. She claims Goldberg, I mean she claims to be Jewish and says that Goldberg is like a family name. But in my limited research, which I'd like to apologize to Anne Frank's stepsister who I said on our last premium episode wasn't in the camps because I read one article but apparently she was and maybe even in Auschwitz. So that's really my bad.

I'm going to get ahead of the scandal and apologize preemptively. But I don't think believe that would be as Jewish in the least. She's like stealing Jewish valor which why would you want to do that? I mean I understand for like various economic and clout reasons but there's a lot of genetic disorders that go along with. I thought about changing my name briefly when I was struggling to work in the entertainment industry myself and my parents disowned me for doing acid on a trip to New York City in 2013 with Paris Heinz and tweeting about it.

My parents were really upset and kind of wanted nothing to do with me because they thought I was like a drug addict and a loser which I sort of was and I wanted to change my name to Dasha Bogdanovich so that people would just assume that I was related to Peter Bogdanovich and then be really, really vague about my family and kind of where I came from. But now it's much too late for that of course. So I relate to Whoopi. You don't think I would have had more success as a Bogdanovich in the biz? Somebody would have sniffed you out eventually.

And also, okay, my hot take about Peter Bogdanovich is that he was kind of like a yogurt. I think that he was perfectly cast as Elliot Melfi's shrink in The Sopranos because he was like this kind of like condescending but like mediocre guy. I think he's one of those guys that just stuck around long enough and people accepted him. I shouldn't say that he's dead, I'll be nice. I think he's worth engaging with. They all laughed if you haven't seen is really good. I'll watch it.

But yeah, he's definitely more of an old guard Hollywood type that isn't biracial enough to make it today. But yeah, so Whoopi, like nothing really happened and everybody got their panties in a bunch. And like, I guess the idea that the Holocaust wasn't about race is stupid in a way because she's applying like a new moral standard retroactively to like a historical situation where it doesn't apply. It's so stupid. I can't imagine anyone even taking it seriously.

Yeah, but I don't think she meant it in a mean spirited or malicious way. She was just sort of talking out of her ass and like riffing, which is like, you should be allowed to do that. And I also think like Jews are very oversensitive about the kind of race thing and they should just like not take the bait in this day and age because it's never going to serve them. Yeah. Yeah. No one's really, really gaining much from this, from this debacle, least of all the,

you know, every time the anti defamation leak pipes up, I'm like, you guys are doing your paradoxically having the wrong effect and making me want to defame you some more. Yeah, they're the worst. But my other hot take, like my really galaxy brain take is that whoopee was actually right that it wasn't about race. Okay. No, hear me out. Because it was about economics and statehood.

It's another Gerardian scapegoat because the Nazis wanted to consolidate their power and they had to choose a scapegoat to persecute and purge, to bring people together. Okay. And so they chose the Jews who were seen as like foreign and well, that's what makes it about. That's what makes it a racial issue and anti semitism is the oldest hatred besides misogyny. Yeah. And I think like people really are actually anti semitic, like I don't think they're

delusional in thinking that a lot of people are secretly anti semitic, you know, myself included. And, you know, as both a Jew and an anti-semitic, I feel very torn about the woody thing, or the whoopee thing, but and the woody thing actually. But like, you shouldn't, you shouldn't like, what's that expression about throwing stuff on the flames? You shouldn't fan the flames of, you shouldn't throw stuff on the, you can't do that. So you can't, you shouldn't throw coal on the fire.

You can't ski and shoot a gun at the same time, as we say in Belarus. You got to stop skiing and then shoot the guy and then get back on the skis. Speaking of which, you know what exercise I really hate so much that reminds you of shooting because it's like a multi step exercise burpees, what an undignified and depraved exercise. I know. I don't like that in any workout, and I'm very disciplined and I will run myself to the ground, but that's the one thing that I can't do because it's so demeaning. My trainer doesn't make me do burpees, thank God, but I do similarly kind of demeaning

things that make me feel like my body is like crumbling and ancient. Yeah. And you do it in public. At the gym. Yeah. You know, I'm a fan of your baby daddy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about your encounter. Because he's up in there from time to time.

But I really, you know, I don't go to the gym. Can you do me a favor and surveil him next time and report back on how his weightlifting form is? That's an anti-semitic joke, he's like hunched over. I haven't seen him hit the weights though, and maybe he does, he's just usually doing floor exercises, just fully airing out Eli on the pod for no reason. He's usually doing floor exercises. And quite well from what I can tell.

Good for him. Good for him. Like, yeah. Very like, shtetl kind of put, like. He's actually selling his wares at the gym. He has like a duffel bag full of vinyls. He's trying to get someone to sign contracts all the time. I did, I said, did I send you this too?

This is another childhood throwback that weirdly pertains to one of my, one of my first like deep crushes, David Lieberman, he drafted up a contract for me also in 2002. That was like a copyright on drawing. You're a pussy. No, because I was very artistic and I was making lots of zany drawings. He drafted up like a copyright for me that I was the only one that was allowed to, quote, draw wild and crazy pictures at least four times a day, and then he like signed it. It was like, it was very, it made me feel very warmly towards him as a young romantic

Jewish fixation of mine because I like, I bet I would put money on him being a lawyer now if he was doing that kind of thing in fourth grade. Yeah, I want to know where he is. Where is David Lieberman? But no, it's like very auspicious. It's foreshadowing of like your future life of being an adult woman who has sexual managerial relationships with Jews that have a whole sign on the dotted line. Cabal of Jews managing every aspect of my life.

Who whoopee has to apologize now to to peel out back on on the view. Doesn't make it seem like there's not a Jewish conspiracy when whoopee gets kicked off the view for like kind of not really doing anything. When a strong and independent black woman, black Jew, Jew, allegedly Jewish woman. But it's, it's nice to know that the Jewish lobby is so strong that it does make me feel safe. Yeah. Yeah.

That they, that they will even make protected minorities eat humble pie, you know. No one's safe, yeah. But yeah, I don't know. My feeling is like nothing is ever really about race. Race is like the best proxy for everything because it, you know, you can't prove it or disprove it. I mean, I think that there are like really serious racists out there, but being a racist is like a full-time job.

Well, I mean, the Holocaust was about race. Like no, it was, it was, but the underlying, it's like, again, the Armenian genocide was also technically about race and Armenians and Turks are even closer ethnically. Like if you want to talk about the same species in fighting. Yeah. I mean, race is, or at least I learned this in liberal arts college as social constructs. And so it's the qualities of the Jews that sort of define them as a race that are, you know, responsible for anti-Semitism and then, you know, Holocaust.

Yeah. I mean, I think, I think the thing about race in so far as like race isn't real. Yeah. I mean, I think I, I actually think that race is real, like on a genetic level to the degree that like the, what is race? Race is who you're genetically related to most closely. I think there is a case to be made that like race and ethnicity are like real categories. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Like we respect all races and ethnicities on this podcast and we roast them equally. Except for the Turks. Yeah. I'm going to, I was going to make a comment, but I'm going to, since this is a free one. Okay. What are the Turks going to do? What are the Turks going to do? They don't have any.

My anti-Turkish race, they have a powerful lobby of their own right and they're in cahoots with Israel. That's true. That's true. I mean, they fucked all the worst people like hanging out together, but yeah, I don't know. I don't get in this day and age why whoopee's comments are so inflammatory. I mean, I understand why they would be like upsetting to Jewish people, but also Jewish people should apply their high IQs and not get so upset about it because it makes them

look bad. Well said. Well said. Yeah. Let's play to your strengths. Right. Not your weaknesses that everyone hates you for, which is being super annoying. And neurotic.

Yeah. And like on a real serious tip, I think people also are anti-Semitic because Jews are fundamentally illegible. They don't fit into any categories. People want to punish and purge anything that's not legible. They're clicking. They demand legibility. Which is why means are so important because they unlock different levels of legibility

to different people anyway. And they're clicky and successful, which no one likes either. Yeah. That's true. Especially in an economic downturn like in World War II. God, get us on the view. This is some sophisticated analysis over here. Well, they're looking for a host, we can just like, you know, it's like when a Mac and

Charlie file a single application on a always sunny, just like one. We would be the skinniest view anchors. We could sit in one chair because you know those chairs are big. Those chairs do be big. Yeah. Yeah. They're capacious. We'd be the youngest for sure.

Yeah. You can barely even, you could probably barely even notice my nasolabial folds next to Joy Bayhar. You want racism on the view? Hire the Red Scare Girls. Whoopi Goldberg has nothing on it. Yeah. Yeah.

You want a Jew and a racist? Let me introduce you to Anna Katzian. I think it's like this new thing that I into it with everybody, including myself, we're all guilty of this. People like being oppressed. They like feeling oppressed. You know you like it just a little bit because I feel like it lends meaning to your life and also makes sense of your suffering.

Totally. In a flattering way. Yeah. And I think in the best case scenario it even gives people some positive forward moving momentum. Because it gives them something to strive against? Yeah. Like seek revenge and of course the only people unincline to talk about their oppression

who don't have an avenue for it anyway are like the actually oppressed. Russians. Who? Yes. Slavic people. Yes. I mean yes on a global, Slavic people are the boop of the world. I mean.

The women of the world. The women of the world. That's what was. Well you know the word slave comes from the word slav as I was telling our friend Thomas Chatter. Oh yeah. Was that illuminating for him? No.

He knew. He knew. He's a literary. People aren't ready for that conversation. Yeah, he's a literary man, the pooshkin of Instagram. That's when he really became an Anna guy but I think I really won him over at that party. I had him laughing. Yeah.

Anyway, just name dropping another one of my black friends. It's not a big deal. I have. Like half a black friend. Like three. Yeah, I have like three, four, you know, nearly half a dozen, easily, easily and always looking for more. Yeah, so if you are black and you like Red Scare podcast and you want like an internship

or something, I think it's illegal to do on paid internships now. I think that's another thing that came out of our convo with teach at maybe it was somebody else at that party. Is it illegal? I think so. I think now you have to pay them. We're not scared of black people here. We're not.

I'm a little scared of black people only because they're like quicker and funnier than I am and they'll like roast the shit out of me. Like I don't my reaction time is much worse, but Russians and blacks have a lot in common. Yeah. And I talked about this absentee fatherhood, yeah, alarming rates of paternal absenteeism, love of name brands, really bad taste in alcohol and cigarettes, yes, like to smoke menthols, like to wear shearlings, yeah, low self esteem disguised as bravado. I yeah, a lot of commonalities.

I also mentioned to him as I like to do that my family was aristocracy before the Russian Revolution and he said, yeah, we were kings back in Africa. Relatable. Speaking of a black king, Kanye West, taking down a Tik Tok, taking down Leia's Tik Tok account. Yeah. I'm really mad about that. Yeah, it'll get, I think, I think it'll get reinstated.

What happened? I have a hunch. I don't know. I don't know. But we, she's going to be fine. She's so well connected and social and that account everyone loves. Yeah. They have Tik Toks 420 and Facebook stock is just, my parents also watch CNBC all day.

Yeah. So I am. What? What? Isn't that weird? That's a random one. It's not Fox or MSI. No, no, no, because they want, they are into stocks.

So I happen to know that Facebook stock is really plummeting to an all-time low, yeah, who also own Instagram. But not, I forget why I didn't even bring that up. Why did I bring up Facebook? They don't own Tik Tok. Yeah. Whatever. They own Facebook.

They own Instagram. Yeah. Kanye's spiraling. He's at Lucien with Julia Fox. He's posting about how Kim's letting Northy on Tik Tok without his consent. He, let me see, I took a... Northy is so pretty. She's so pretty.

I know. She shouldn't be on Tik Tok. No. She's better than Northy. But she's really pretty. I understand why Kim wants to splash her face all over social media. He said, since this is my first divorce, I need to know what I should do about my daughter being put on Tik Tok against my will.

All caps. All caps. He also had a funny one today where he, I wonder if it's still up. The audacity of saying that on Instagram, Kanye. Oh, he took that one down. It was about how people were commenting on his Instagram in a weird language. And all caps was like, how come my first eight comments are in this language, Instagram? It did seem kind of like some satanic gobbledygook, but it's probably Turkish or something.

It did have a kind of, I see why it would have maybe disturbed him in his delicate, divorced state. And then. I saw, I went. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I was going to say Kim fired back. Yeah.

No, I, well, yeah. Before you say that, I went, I looked at that Kanye post and saw some familiar faces, namely you and Maddie up in the likes. I was like, oh, that's so cute. Because usually when I go on like a mega celebs Instagram, it's like, nobody I know is liking those images. I like all his posts in some, ever since I got the blue check, I've been leaving comments sometimes in hopes that he'll see.

And I've DM'd him a couple of times. Yeah. I have to say my heart sank when I saw that they were at Lucien because I have this like dream that I'm going to go up in there and have my steak a poivre, but I feel like. Have you never been? No, I've been a bunch of times. I actually, when I broke up with my last boyfriend, he like pitifully took me to Lucien for like a breakup dinner, which was honestly very nice of him.

Yeah, that's sweet. I just snapped a cute selfie wearing leather pants and the rest is history. You're feeling the rest of this feeling myself. And but I have like this desire to, I've had for like a year, this desire to go back to Lucien. I haven't been since the pandemic, but that's not going to happen anymore because I feel like that place is going to be like swamped with like Korean tourists now. It's going to be all blown out.

Yeah. Yeah. And like, kiss fuck boys. I know. I know. I mean, it's just also, I mean, people we know were there, like Tristan and Julia Cook and stuff. And like, I don't know if it's to them, they're great, but like, and really, I'm like celebs

have fallen on hard times. Yeah. No, it's really bad. Well, we could get into that with like the NFTs, things, yeah, yeah, it's, it all ties in. But yeah. But yeah. I mean, the, the custody stuff is getting messy with Kim and Kanye and that's unfortunate.

And she clapped back on she, where did she clap back on? On Instagram as well. You're adult. You people have children. You're adult, you're adults, you know. Yeah. But it's weird to like arbitrate their divorce exactly. Exactly.

Yeah, media, while complaining, while he's, he's complaining that the daughter's too, too on social media, she's saying like that she's arguing that she's the main provider and caregiver, which supposedly means that she has kind of, I mean, I guess she does have the decision making power, but like to what end she said, I suppose, yeah. As the parent who is the main provider and caregiver for our children, I'm doing my best to protect our daughter while also allowing her to express her creativity in the medium that she wishes with adult supervision, because it brings her happiness. It's like, how do you know it brings her happiness?

Yeah. I mean, Kanye's onto something with TikTok being bad. Yes. And like children should not be on TikTok. But of course, Kim doesn't have the wherewithal to understand that and he doesn't really have any room to talk because he's dragging his kids into this whole spectacle of his divorce. Well, he's at freaking Lucien, you know, handing out Birkenbags to Tristan or whatever. There's my Birkenbag.

I hate Birkenbags so much. Yeah. I'm glad I was out of town because. I'm glad I was at my parents' house in suburban Las Vegas and didn't get invited to Lucien. I'm glad. Yeah. And didn't get a Birkenbag, which is made of calf leather, which is a baby cow. I was here sorting out my own early childhood traumas that Northie's going to have to deal

with. You know, when she's 31, she's going to go back to Calabasas and have her own reckoning with what Kanye and Kim did to her. Yeah. Maybe think about that next time you're at Lucien getting the stay couple off Kanye. Free Birkenbag. No, but this whole claim that North is just expressing her creativity through this medium that makes her happy is so preposterous and averted.

Give her whatever the Chinese version of MKUltra brainwashing is, like, TikTok is, I believe that TikTok is an instrument designed by the Chinese to disrupt and compromise the very fabric of our society. And I believe that NFTs, much like the blasphemous brand praying, mock and displease God and should be avoided really, really at all costs. Yes. But Kim is much more godless than Kanye, so I wouldn't expect her to understand that. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, I think she's a maddening person probably to be married to because everybody focuses on Kanye and how crazy and off the wall he is and is he or isn't he a diagnosable manic depressive, whatever. But she's kind of mean and withholding in her kind of call procedural stoic demeanor where she's always like this flat voice of reason. You know she's an emotional terrorist in a way more insidious way even than Kanye. Yeah.

She's probably relentless. Also, who knows how dramatic she is in private like nobody knows, but like, okay, like we've all had fights with men where you're standing there totally calm and unflinching and it makes them spiral the fuck out of control. I know, I know. And before you know it, he hit me and it felt like I know people hate me. Call that people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I am definitely more often the hysteric manic depressive vibes one in my relationships and particularly in like altercations. Okay. You all know when you're saying go on, hit me. I know you won't. Every boyfriend you've ever had. They still won't.

Anyway. Yeah. What does a girl got to do? So then Candice Owens, who I think is like legitimately a bit of a grifter, she can't wait to get in there and say that actually, yeah, like social media is super harmful for girls. You know, she has some take that she whips up that she would never, you know, she just truly stands for nothing and like candy in a different context would be saying the exact

opposite of what you know, that children are entitled to the liberty of going on the computer or whatever, you know, she would just like snake her way into, into any kind of publicity really. But Kanye seemed, seemed happy to have to have her have her support because I think well, they're friends. They're friends. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And he said a lot of people are texting him privately, but Candice Owens is one of the few. I wouldn't call her a celebrity, but, but then he said, yeah, they'll text me in private and say they're on my side. I will no longer put my hand through a blender to hug my children poetic. My mother took me to Chicago when I was three and told my dad if he came to Chicago, he would never see me again. So I bought the house next door.

I dream of a world where dads can still be heroes. I mean, this ain't it. Welcome to my world, Kanye. Are your, your baby daddy is a, is a hero? Well that and, and people, everybody's like always texting you privately. Like I agree with you. Oh, oh, oh. Haters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, take your blue check ass, mark your blue check ass onto Twitter and I dare you, I challenge you to defend me publicly, but you won't. I don't care, but it's just like, you won't. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

People always say shit in private. We'll be redeemed in the end. Um, I don't know. I mean, plenty of dads are heroes or in my book. Yeah. And, and, but they're not, um, posting on all caps on, on Instagram about their, uh, their custody disputes. Yeah.

It's like, okay. That's not, you know, divorce is already like shitty and hard on kids. Um, since this is my first divorce was very funny. Yeah, it was. Yeah. That was a beautiful poetic. It was a poet and a genius when it comes to his artistry for sure, but, um, Kim's been divorced before.

Yeah. He really got her ass. How many, how many divorce, Kim has two divorces. This is her third. Uh, is this her third? Mm-hmm. Because she was the worst Chris Humphries, Oh, the ball player. And then before that she was married to a guy whose name escapes me, but when she was

like, some random guy, some random music producer that like she ran off with when she was like 18 or 20 and I think they got married, right? I don't think she was married to Ray J. Um, but like, like all Armenian women, she like contains multitudes in that she, um, fully negotiates being a virgin and a whore at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. She's a witch.

She's not a good girl, but also like an unrepentant slot. Yeah. When it suits her. Yeah. I mean, both of them just like do stuff when it, when it suits them cause they're like so rich and like out to lunch or whatever. But like celebs, yeah, they're like so overexposed. It's weird to like have divorce beef with your ex on social media.

It's gonna be my worst night, my worst night, my really. What that you're going to get divorced, probably. Oh yeah, yeah, I just would never engage or like, yeah, you can't, I don't know. And then so his follow up, his last post was a picture of his mom, I think from the upcoming Netflix doc, like, um, and he said, I want to bring my kids to my hometown of Chicago to see my basketball team play for 7,000 people and Kim is stopping that. How is this joint custody bit of a tenuous connection there, but I feel, I feel his, I feel his frustration and pain.

I mean, no offense to these people, but like if you want joint custody and I'm, I'm a fan of both. As a parent. Yeah. Yeah. I'm obviously, yeah, siding with Kanye Moore cause I am a misogynist and you are an Armenian and you've had sex with black guys, so you're, you're also a parent, so you're more qualified kind of to, to talk about this all around, I'd say.

Yeah. You know, the one silver lining of my dad being dead is that I can talk about all of my interracial moments without him being around to hear it. Um, Dima doesn't have to worry about, about that because I've never been with a black guy. Yeah, there's always a, there's time for everything yet, four to five black friends easily and always looking for more, but just for friendship, not for sex. We will pay those reparations.

Kanye means a lot to me as, as an artist, as gay and lame as that sounds. I really like love him as an artist and I think Yeezus was a great album. And I love flashing lights, the song and the video, but, and I also am old enough to remember when Kanye was just like an upstart little music producer who had his jaw wired shut and like really like wanted to be a star in his own right. And then with Kim, it's like, I can't not love Kim. I get it. I get it.

Cause she's, it's not even that she's Armenian or beautiful. It's that she like is a very unlikely celebrity. Like I was watching that Balenciaga video that they put out, which is why she's really firing shots because she's just mad about that Balenciaga video, but she's so awkward and inhibited and like maladroit, you know, yeah. Like she sucks at being performative. Like she's such a bad celebrity, she's really, yeah, she really doesn't have like, um, star power.

Yeah. She only has like this like celebrity void quality that is intriguing. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not mad at that, but yeah. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. I like to see some Armenian representation finally cause the last time we had any was

like share, um, though they're two good ones, really good, but it's even, it's even nicer to see, uh, awkward and shy representation cause she's so like, she's so like, uh, lame and uncool and just like weird. She's a Virgo. Isn't she a Virgo? Um, that's a good question. I don't know, I'll run a fact check on it. I don't think so, but I also, October 21st, Libra, is that a Libra?

That makes sense. They should just say on Wikipedia, so I don't have, you know, that should be, they should have it in parentheses. Yeah. That's the only reason. Instead of doing all these weird editing and footnotes and like annoying bullshit, just like put the stars on, get the chart, the moon sign, oh, congrats to Rihanna by the way.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, she's a Scorpio. Oh no, she's not a Libra. She's a Libra. Sorry, my bad. She's, yeah, she's very, um, materialistic. She seems like a Libra, yeah, totally, um, but congrats to Rihanna on her, on her pregnancy with ASAP Rocky, I'm, couldn't be more thrilled. I know.

What's that baby do? She's looks, I'm guessing like three, I don't know, three more months. She looks about six months. Yeah. Um, I'm gonna put her at six. Judging by the bump, that's gonna be a really, really beautiful baby. I, yeah, it'll be really cute. I called it back at the Met Gala.

I know you did. I was thinking she's wearing that blanket. Amazing work. Yeah. It's, um, anyway, yeah, Kim, Anye, should we talk about the gold cube? Sure. We can walk. We can do a, I don't know, you want to toss it out?

You want to, I don't, I mean, a low energy finale. Yeah. There's a gold cube. There was, it made the, the kind of hype, okay, there's an art piece that's a cube made out of solid gold, 400 pounds of gold. Um, the material value of the gold is roughly 12 million dollars. It was, um, displayed at Central Park for like the duration of a day, um, with some like security detail around it, um, it was a little misleading in the way it was addressed.

I felt that made it seem like it was going to be like a permanent fixture in Central, it's in Central Park. Sorry. Did I say Times Square? No. You said Central Park. Central Park. Yeah.

Um, I think it was, well, whatever it was in Central Park, then it went to some like private events in Wall Street that was made by a German artist named Nicholas Castello, who also unveiled a new cryptocurrency called Castello Coin and some sort of dubious NFT auction. Um, he said he wanted to quote, create something that is beyond our world, that is intangible. I mean, isn't a gold cube literally the most tangible thing that, yeah, yeah. It's like literally tangibility incarnate. Couldn't be less beyond our worlds.

Um, I'll reiterate my point that NFTs are totally, uh, godless because they're fake, gay, ugly, which God hates. That's why churches are beautiful. Um, and they exist solely for like generating profit, speculative profit, which God hates and, um, the fact that they posture as art, which should only be made to please and praise God, uh, make actually a mockery of him and as such are gravely sinful, um, Amen. Yeah.

And, you know, this gold cube, what can you even say, obviously, it's just, well, some, some dumb bitch art advisor, like press person, I don't even remember, I don't have the quote in front of me handy, but she was like, well, he's making this brilliant link between cryptocurrency and the old gold exchanges that rained at the Apigee Renaissance. She said the ancient, the ancient world where gold reigns supreme and she was a Viennese gallerist named Lisa Candlehofer, which I randomly wrote down. And of course the cube was cast in Switzerland, which is, you know, one of the most satanic places on earth, um, because it's a nation that also solely worships money, um, which

is why the art world is so popular there. Yeah. And like, I feel like if this guy really wanted his gold cube to be like an edgy commentary, he would have displayed it without a security detail and let people just tag it up and ship away at it. Let me get my tag up on that. Let some bums melt it down. Yeah.

Um, and I feel like the thing with these kind of stunts is that they're truly meaningless and not in some like profound, like Duchampian conceptual way that these people pretend they are. They're just like a dumb and pointless exercise in like generating press for art trades. And the best, like the best thing that you get out of it is like a fancy dinner. I like going to art dinners personally. Yeah. I mean, they're fun and nice.

Me too. And you run into Dean Kissick and have some lightweight, effervescent conversation. Wait, did you go to the gold cube dinner? No, God, no. I know Dean Kissick was there. I know. I saw him in the stories. I'm all for it.

Wearing a catexito. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah. I'm glad he's good. I'm glad he's good. He's good. Yeah.

No, no. I love Dean. I know. I was like, I'm glad he's getting good for him. He's at the dinner. I would love to be at that dinner, just like munching on the orders. Yeah. I'll take a cube selfie for, but that's the best thing that comes out of the caviar.

Yeah. Like a little tiny spoon. You should read. I'm going to make a big caviar cube and call it she's new the last like that poster Russian people have in their garage and then there's this quote that his cube can, in some respect, be compared to Damien Hurst's infamous diamond encrested skull Memento Mori that is also a commentary on art's endless entanglement and money in capital or Piero Manzoni's tongue and cheek provocation artist shit 1961, a tin can containing the artist's feces, which

he sold for its weight in gold as like in some respects is doing a lot of heavy lifting here because like it only resembles those works in the most superficial respect because both of them are way more conceptually interesting. No, they're like way more at least they have like some conceit. This is just like some retarded stunt. Yeah. Like we were made a long, long ago, yes, in a different in a different context, yeah, where conceptual art just had a little more umph.

Yeah. And it wasn't quite like, yeah, I wasn't this totally like hollowed out. I mean, you know, it's so tiresome. It's like how art is always making a commentary on capital. It's like we get it. We get it. It's a money industry. Yeah.

It's a holding pen for like tax evaders and money launderers. Like we get it. Your intimate art is intimately entangled with capital. Capital finance. Yeah. Even in the ancient world when gold reigns supreme. Yeah. We get it.

The the Medici, well, actually, well, actually, all art is commercial because the Medici commissioned like, yes, we get it. Please, no more. We get it. Andy Warhol, Jean-Michel Buske, yeah, the mass consumer object, whatever. I just like. It has, it's more, it's less like the Damien Hurst's Memento Mori skull and more like that stupid like um, obelisk that was like floating around generating press a couple of few months

ago. Remember that? Yeah, that we also cover. That we can't seem to stop talking about that ended up being like, I don't know, some kind of glow for some global homo app or something. Yeah. I forget how things actually shook out with the. Yeah, I don't remember.

I guess I'll Google it after. Yeah, I know reason. We're out of the pod, but yeah. I hate art and I'm so blessed to like not ever have to think about it. I know. Like when we were at that dinner with tea chat, I was so happy because I was blissfully unaware that the Whitney Biennial was going to happen soon. Oh yeah, yeah.

And then somebody like. It was me. My memory. I said, oh, the Whitney Biennial is happening. I know. I know. No, no, no. It's not your fault, but.

Well, I felt so kind of like, and not that I was ever really an artist in that way as a foreign podcaster or whatever, but like, yeah, I just have always felt kind of alienated and like slighted by the so-called art world. Dasha Hitler. And I will make the Jews pay for it. No. No, that's why that's why I work. Actually I was thinking of changing my stage name to Dasha Hitler.

No, actually, because I, that's why I, you know, am in the entertainment arts rather than like the art world proper is because I have such good, good relations with the Jewish people that I hope to, you know, please, please, please, please, please don't be mad at me. Please don't be mad at me. No, but in retrospect, I'm like, God, what a blessing to not be in the art world, actually. I know. Dinner's a side.

It really is one of the biggest drags. Still get invited to the dinners, please. I mean, I do from time to time. People still bring me up in the dinners. My favorite thing that the haters like to throw at me is like, she's a failed art critic. It's like, like, are you kidding? Yeah. I failed at making $35,000 a year.

Oops. What are you talking about? Yeah, you could have been the next Jerry Salt. Yeah, Dasha Hitler and Anna Salt. Just like hornily lurking in e-girls like DMs. You could be humiliating yourself on Twitter every day. Posting naked pics of Courtney Kardashian or whatever he did. I don't know.

I don't know. Anyway, we can wrap it up. We've done it. We've done it. Yeah. We've done our time. Yeah, sounds great. Okay.

See you now. See you now. Bye.