Reddit Stories - Episode 01 - Found My Sister’s Secret That Changed Everything – Am I the Ahole (Over 6 Hours Comp.) - Ep 01

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

#redditstories #askreddit #aita #familydrama #secrets #relationships #conflict #emotionsSummary: In Episode 01, a person uncovers a shocking secret about their sister that alters their perception of f...amily dynamics. The revelation leads to intense emotional turmoil and questions about loyalty and betrayal. The protagonist grapples with whether they are in the wrong for exposing the truth.Tags: redditstories, askreddit, reddit, aita, betrayal, family, secrets, relationships, conflict, emotions, drama, storytelling, personalstories, moralquestions, revelations, truth, dilemmas, podcast, episode01, foundmysisterssecretBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/reddit-stories--6816713/support.This episode includes AI-generated content.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Relax and enjoy the next following extra compilation of stories. I hope you enjoy this story. Believed guardians were ultimately appreciating my efforts as I demonstrated my worth. However, it transpired that it was merely a ploy to accommodate their offspring and their six children from three distinct relationships. Marriages. I grew up knowing I wasn't the favorite kid. My parents were always more focused on my younger sister, Emma, who seemed to get unlimited chances and so. port, no matter how many times she made questionable choices. I got used to standing on my own
Starting point is 00:00:35 two feet. I worked hard, put myself through college with a mix of scholarships and part-time jobs, and eventually landed a stable, well-paying job. Even though I had done it all without much help, my parents never seemed that impressed. For years, I tried to brush it off and keep going, believing that someday they'd respect me for being independent. Meanwhile, Emma's life was a rollercoaster. She married young, and her first marriage ended after two years when her husband cheated. She remarried quickly and had two more kids, but that marriage also fell apart after her second husband developed a gambling problem and lost their house. By the time I was building my career, Emma was on her third marriage with six kids in total,
Starting point is 00:01:20 ages 12 to 2. Her current husband works part-time as a delivery driver and is trying to start his own business, but they're struggling to make ends meet. My parents have always been there to bail her out, paying for things here and there, always coming up with excuses for why she needed just a little more help. For a while, I was too busy focusing on my own life to get caught up in Emma's chaos. But then, I started noticing a change in how my parents treated me. They became more attentive, reaching out more often, praising me for my career, and inviting me over for family dinners. I thought maybe they were finally proud of me. Part of me
Starting point is 00:01:58 had been waiting for this for years, and I guess I was willing to believe they were turning a corner. Last month, they invited me over for dinner. At first, everything felt normal. We talked about work and caught up on small family news, and for a moment, I almost felt like part of the family in a way I hadn't before. But then the conversation shifted. They began talking about Emma, saying how hard it was for her to raise six kids on a single income, how my parents had done everything they could to help but were running out of resources. They went on about how lucky I was to have a good job and a steady income, how I had no one relying on me, and that I was in a position to give back to the family. Then came the bombshell, they wanted me to step up and take care
Starting point is 00:02:42 of Emma financially. They had a whole plan worked out. First, they wanted me to buy her a new five-bedroom house because her current rental was too cramped for a family of eight. They wanted me to set up college funds for all six of her kids, which, as they pointed out, would really only be fair since I was the one who could afford it. They wanted me to provide a monthly allowance of $5,000 to cover basic necessities and give her seed money to start a mommy blog business. In total, they expected about $2 million up front and then ongoing support. I sat there, completely stunned. This wasn't some small favor they were asking for, this was a lifetime commitment. essentially treating me as Emma's financial safety net.
Starting point is 00:03:27 I realized in that moment that their recent kindness wasn't because they finally valued me as their son, it was because they saw me as a walking ATM for Emma. I told them that while I was willing to help with occasional small expenses or in case of emergencies, I wasn't comfortable taking on such a massive financial responsibility. At that point, the calm, where all family talk flipped entirely. My mom started crying, saying I was a bad. family when they needed me most, and my dad outright called me selfish and ungrateful. They said I was showing my true colors and that they were disappointed in the person I'd become.
Starting point is 00:04:03 The dinner ended with them storming out. I thought that might be the end of it, but I was wrong. Within hours, Emma started bombarding my phone with texts, accusing me of ruining her children's future. She even had her kids send me messages saying things like Uncle doesn't love us anymore. It was overwhelming, so I blocked their numbers after a while. I couldn't believe the situation had spiraled this far, all because I refused to bankroll my sister's life. The next day, my grandmother, my dad's mom, called me out of the blue. Apparently, my parents had been going around telling the whole extended family that their successful son was going to take care of everything for Emma before they even asked me.
Starting point is 00:04:45 They'd painted this picture to everyone about how Emma was moving into a big new house, how all her financial worries would be over, and that I would be the one providing her with everything she needed. Now that I'd refused, they were facing a massive wave of embarrassment, as the family expected me to come through based on my parents' premature bragging. My grandparents were horrified when they found out the full story. They'd always assumed that Emma's lifestyle was supported by her various husbands and that my parents helped out by choice not because they'd run themselves into debt supporting her. They were so upset by my parents' behavior that they're now threatening to cut my parents out of their will. They told me they'd rather leave their estate to me and my cousins,
Starting point is 00:05:25 who actually work hard and don't take advantage of others. As this whole mess started circulating through the family, I began hearing from relatives who reached out in support. Some of them said they had no idea how much I'd been dealing with on my own and apologized for not seeing it sooner. My aunt, my mom's sister, even called me, saying she was sorry for not noticing how differently I was treated growing up. The family dynamics were starting to implode, with everyone choosing sides, and my parents were not handling it well. My phone started ringing nonstop again, this time with my parents alternating between angry, bitter messages and tearful voicemails. They were furious that I was destroying their reputation within the family. At one point,
Starting point is 00:06:09 they left a message saying I was ruining Emma's children's lives and that I would regret this decision someday. Then they'd switch back to begging me to reconsider, saying things like, where family, and family helps each other. All this has left me feeling like a mess. Part of me feels guilty because I was raised to believe family comes first, and it's hard to break away from that conditioning. But another part of me is exhausted, realizing just how long I've been trying to earn approval from people who only seem to care when it benefits them. The realization stings, but I know that if I give in now, it'll only mean years of being financially and emotionally drained, putting Emma's needs ahead of my own life.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Now, I'm here, turning to Reddit, because I genuinely don't know what to do next. Do I stand my ground and keep my boundaries, knowing it's the healthiest thing for me, or is there some compromise I'm not seeing? I could really use some impartial advice on this mess. Update 1. The situation with my parents and sister has turned to me. turned into a mess beyond anything I could have imagined. Just a couple of days after I shared the whole story with my grandparents, they weren't bluffing about changing their will they actually went through with it, contacting their lawyer almost immediately to make sure my parents
Starting point is 00:07:22 would be removed from their inheritance. My grandparents have always been the quiet, keep the peace type, so this wasn't just shocking it was unheard of in our family. But apparently, this situation with my parents and their years of favoritism toward Emma was the final straw. My grandparents also took things a step further and called a family meeting to set the record straight. They arranged it over call so that everyone could attend, including me, even though I live further away. They wanted everyone to understand exactly what was happening and, from what they hinted, I had a feeling they were going to say some things I didn't even know myself. The meeting included a few aunts, uncles, and cousins basically anyone who was close enough to be affected by all this.
Starting point is 00:08:05 When the meeting started, my grandparents didn't waste any time. They immediately revealed that over the past several years, they had been sending my parents substantial amounts of money to help both me and Emma with our education and future plans. In total, they'd given my parents more than $200,000, assuming it would be split between Emma and me to support us equally. I was speechless. I'd worked my way through college with scholarships, student loans,
Starting point is 00:08:33 and multiple part-time jobs, struggling to balance work in classes while Emma seemed to live on a different planet, barely lifting a finger, constantly being bailed out of every bad decision. All those years, I'd been doing everything on my own, while my grandparents had been sending money that I never saw a scent of. My grandparents were furious. They had assumed the money was helping both of us, but now that they knew how my parents had been using it, they felt completely betrayed. They'd been clear with my parents that they wanted to support both of us, but it turns out that money had mostly gone toward Emma covering her failed marriages, rent payments, and who knows what else. They demanded a full accounting from my parents on how every dollar had been spent,
Starting point is 00:09:15 threatening to involve lawyers if my parents didn't comply for a family as private as ours. This was an unthinkable move, but I could see they'd been pushed to their limits. On top of that, my grandparents announced that they would be setting up trust funds for each of the grandchildren, including Emma's six kids. But they made it clear that this money would be professionally managed by an outside trustee and could only be used for specific things, like education or healthcare. It was obvious they didn't want my parents or Emma getting anywhere near these funds, which felt like a huge relief. At least I knew Emma's kids would have a shot at a stable future without my parents draining those accounts for other things. After the family
Starting point is 00:09:55 meeting, everything exploded. Relatives started reaching out to me, one after another, as they began putting pieces together. Apparently, this wasn't the first time my parents had taken money from family members under the guise of helping the kids or supporting family emergencies. An aunt told me she'd loaned my parents a few thousand dollars back when Emma's second marriage fell apart, thinking it was for essential needs. Another cousin mentioned my parents asking for money around the time I went to college, saying it was to help me get started when in reality I never saw any of it. Some of them were angry, feeling misled about where their money went. Others were just sad, saying they hadn't realized the full extent of how much my parents had
Starting point is 00:10:37 favored Emma over me. One of my cousins even showed me screenshots of conversations with my parents from when I graduated from college. They'd actually discouraged family from coming to my graduation, saying that I wanted to keep it small and didn't want a big fuss. Meanwhile, I had been hoping my family would show up and celebrate with me. It felt like a gut punch to see how much they'd actively tried to minimize my accomplishments while constantly going all out for Emma. But what surprised me most was that Emma herself started reaching out to me. She sent a few long-winded emails, each one with a different tone.
Starting point is 00:11:13 In one, she was trying to act like she had always supported me, talking about how she never realized the favoritism our parents had shown her and how she always thought we were close. In another, she framed herself as a victim of our parents' manipulation, saying they'd blinded her to the reality of our family dynamics. But the thing that stood out in every message? She somehow always managed to slide in a request for any help during this difficult time. She was trying to act like we were suddenly best friends, but it was clear she still hoped I'd open my wallet for her. It was hard to believe. Even after my grandparents had taken such drastic steps to set things right, even after the family backlash, Emma still somehow managed
Starting point is 00:11:54 to make it about her and what she could get from me. I felt like I was watching the same story play out all over again. She just couldn't seem to understand boundaries or that I was done being a source of endless support. I was determined not to let her manipulate me back into that role. While this was going on, my parents were busy waging a campaign of their own. They bombarded me with voicemails, ranging from angry rants to tearful pleas. In one message, my mom accused me of tearing the family apart, saying I'd regret this one day when I realized how much I'd hurt everyone. In the next, my dad would be begging me to reconsider, saying we could work things out privately
Starting point is 00:12:33 and that it didn't have to be a big deal. They even tried guilt-tripping me by saying I was putting my grandparents in a awkward position and that I needed to think about how they'd feel if the family fractured because of all this. But their tactics weren't working. My grandparents were behind me, and the rest of the family was seeing my parents' true colors. Some of them even reached out to tell me they were proud of me for standing my ground. My aunt called me in tears, apologizing for not seeing how differently my parents treated me over the years. She said she'd always assumed I was just more independent and didn't need as much support, but now she realized I'd been forced into that
Starting point is 00:13:09 role because my parents had put so much focus on Emma. As the family started to see what I'd been dealing with, more people reached out with apologies or stories about things they'd noticed over the years. It was bittersweet. Part of me was relieved that the truth was finally coming out, that people were recognizing the sacrifices I'd made on my own. But another part of me felt like I was reliving years of hurt and rejection. All those times I'd felt invisible, all those moments where I'd wondered why my achievements didn't seem to matter as much at all made sense now. But it didn't erase the years of feeling like I was second best. The aftermath of all this has been exhausting. My parents still refused to accept responsibility for any of it. They're so focused on the family's reputation
Starting point is 00:13:55 that they can't see the damage they've caused. To them, this is just another argument that I should let go of for the sake of peace, and they're desperate to keep this whole situation under wraps. But I don't feel guilty anymore for standing up for myself. I think I'm finally seeing how important it is to set boundaries, even with family. If I give in now, it'll just mean more years of being used and taken for granted. For the first time, I feel like I'm in control of my own life. My grandparents have assured me that they'll handle my parents if they try to push this any further. They've made it clear that they don't want me to feel pressured, and they even told me that if my parents try to keep stirring things up, they're prepared to take additional steps to protect me. Just knowing that I don't have to go through this alone has made a world of difference.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Now, I'm left wondering what family even means at this point. All these years, I thought being a good son and brother meant putting everyone else first, sacrificing my own needs to make sure everyone else was okay. But now I realize that there's a limit, and family isn't supposed to make you feel like an ATM or ignore your own happiness just because it's convenient. As everything continues to play out, I'm staying firm in my decision, but there's a part of me that wonders if I should be doing something more or handling this differently. I'd really appreciate any advice on how to move forward, there's still so much to process, and I'm trying to take things one day at a time. Update 2 just a couple days after my grandparents made their big announcement about the will, my parents finally broke their silence. Instead of apologizing or admitting they might have gone too far, they sent a long, carefully crafted email that tried to justify every decision they'd ever made.
Starting point is 00:15:37 They didn't just offend favoring Emma, they practically celebrated it, calling it an investment because Emma, according to them, had always been more family-oriented. Meanwhile, I was described as independent and career-focused. which to them apparently meant I didn't need as much support. They went on to explain that their request for me to step in and fund Emma's life wasn't about money at all. They saw it as balancing things out, helping Emma have the same advantages they felt I'd had on my own.
Starting point is 00:16:06 To add salt to the wound, they called me selfish for not wanting to share my excess wealth with my family. The email wasn't just words either. They attached the list, itemizing everything they claimed they'd ever spent on me versus on Emma. I'm talking about everything even childhood essentials like food, clothes, and housing. For Emma, they listed her wedding expenses, house payments, and even things like therapy after her divorces. They even included a line about Emma's emotional support during her teenage years, value incalculable. It was so outrageous that I realized they'd been thinking about this
Starting point is 00:16:42 stuff for a long time, probably hoping one day they could throw it back at me. Apparently, they'd shared this email with the entire extended family too, hoping to paint me as the selfish one. But it totally backfired. Relatives who'd been neutral started reaching out to me, shocked by what they saw as an absurd attempt to bill me for basic parenting. Some even apologized for not realizing the level of favoritism I'd been dealing with. I think my parents expected people to rally behind them, but all they did was push everyone further away. Adding to all this, my grandparents' lawyer got involved. My grandparents had always assumed that any money they'd given my parents over the years
Starting point is 00:17:23 was being split between me and Emma for our education and other necessary expenses. Now, they were discovering that money had gone toward things like Emma's weddings and her various failed relationships. The lawyer sent my parents an official letter, demanding a full account of where the money had gone. My grandparents were ready to take this to court if needed, and honestly, I didn't blame them. They felt betrayed, and I did too. It was like a twisted web of deception that had been building for years, with me on the outside the entire time. In a weird twist, Emma's first ex-husband got in touch with me. He's the father of her two oldest kids, and while we'd never been close, we'd stayed civil. He told me he'd heard about everything going
Starting point is 00:18:08 on and wanted to share his side of things. He revealed that my parents had pressured him into marrying Emma when she got pregnant, promising financial support as long as he went through with the marriage. I'd known their marriage was quick, but I hadn't realized my parents had been so involved. Apparently, most of the support my parents had provided came from the money they'd gotten from my grandparents, money my grandparents had assumed was going toward both Emma's and my futures. Emma's ex even apologized, saying he regretted not standing up to them and letting things spiral out of control. My parents quickly realized the email wasn't having the effect they'd hoped, so they tried to backtrack. They sent out a follow-up message to everyone, claiming the original
Starting point is 00:18:49 email was written in anger and shouldn't be taken too seriously. But it was hard to believe that excuse when their email had clearly been planned out for a while. They might as well have printed and mailed it as an official document with how precise it was. Trying to take it back now only made them look even worse, and nobody bought it. Emma had been quiet for a few days after the family meeting, but then she started reaching out again. Her tone had shifted from guilt-tripping to something more desperate. She sent a few emails, hinting that she always loved me and didn't realize our parents had treated us so differently. She even tried to spin her situation, saying she'd never wanted to burden
Starting point is 00:19:29 me but was in a difficult spot with her kids. Her texts got stranger, alternating between nostalgic memories from childhood and reminders of how hard things were for her with six kids and a struggling husband. At one point, she talked about her husband's business challenges and hinted that her kids were having trouble in school because of all the stress at home. It was hard not to feel a bit bad for Emma and her kids, but at the same time, I couldn't ignore everything that had happened. She had known about our parents' favoritism for years and had taken advantage of it while I was left to fend for myself. Now that she was struggling, she wanted me to be to step in and bail her out. Her emails didn't make me angry as much as they made me sad.
Starting point is 00:20:11 She was my sister, and her kids were innocent in all of this, but it wasn't my responsibility to rescue her from a situation she'd helped create. More family members started coming forward with stories. One of my aunts reached out, apologizing for never saying anything when she noticed things didn't seem fair between Emma and me. She remembered moments when my parents clearly favored Emma and brushed me off, but she hadn't wanted to get involved at the time. She even mentioned that she'd once offered to help me with my college applications, but my parents had waved her off, saying I had it all under control. In reality, I was handling everything on my own, juggling school, applications, and work.
Starting point is 00:20:52 My aunt said she hadn't realized just how much I'd been left alone to manage, and she felt guilty for not stepping in sooner. Family group chats became a whole new level of awkward. Relatives kept reaching out, asking if there was anything I needed or if they could support me in any way. It was strange to suddenly have all these people offering help and sympathy, especially since they'd never been this involved in my life before. I appreciated their kindness, but it was overwhelming. Part of me felt like I shouldn't need their support now, I'd already gotten through the hardest parts on my own. I mostly just thanked them, unsure of what else to say. Even my parents' closest friends started distancing themselves.
Starting point is 00:21:34 A few had believed their side of the story that I was a workaholic who didn't prioritize family. But after reading the email and hearing more details, they started seeing through my parents' excuses. Some even reached out to apologize, admitting they'd been wrong to judge me. One of them even mentioned that my parents had borrowed money from them, saying it was for family needs. They'd assumed it was for essential expenses. but now they were wondering if they'd actually been funding Emma's lifestyle. Despite everything, my parents kept pushing. They continued sending messages,
Starting point is 00:22:08 claiming that I owed them for everything they'd done for me, that I was responsible for keeping the family together, and that my refusal to support Emma was tearing the family apart. They said I was ruining everything, destroying their reputation, and hurting Emma's kids. It was frustrating because they were ignoring their own actions, pretending none of this was their fault. For now, I'm holding my ground.
Starting point is 00:22:31 I refuse to let myself be guilt into fixing problems that my parents created or to take responsibility for Emma's choices. It's still hard to believe this is my family, that things reached a point where I have to choose between my own well-being and what they call family loyalty. It's a lot to process, and honestly, I don't know what the future holds. But for the first time, I feel like I'm standing up for myself and finally being heard. that, at least, is a step in the right direction. Update 3, the situation has reached to some sort of conclusion one that no one in the family could have anticipated. My grandparents, after all the mess and hidden issues that surfaced, decided to take a firm stand. They called one final family meeting, this time with their
Starting point is 00:23:16 lawyer present. It felt surreal like a chapter was closing, but with so many wounds and unresolved feeling still lingering in the air. Yet, this one was a little. wasn't just about talk. My grandparents had a plan, and they weren't wasting any more time. They announced that they'd not only updated their will but were taking immediate action with their assets to prevent any further misuse. For years, my parents had been living rent-free in a family-owned vacation property. It was meant to be a temporary setup, but my parents had made it into their full-time residence, assuming it would eventually be passed down to them. But that's over now. My grandparents are selling the property.
Starting point is 00:23:55 and they're planning to use the proceeds to create educational trusts for all the great-grandchildren and the family. This includes Emma's kids as well as my cousin's children. To make it clear that there wouldn't be any more accidental fund diversions, my grandparents also introduced a restructuring plan. They're creating annual educational grants for any family members seeking higher education or professional certifications. But these funds will be managed by an independent trustee with no family members involved. Hearing this, My parents were visibly shaken. Losing the free housing was bad enough, but realizing they wouldn't have future access to my grandparents' estate was a wake-up call they hadn't expected. For once, they didn't argue, or at least they knew it wouldn't do any good.
Starting point is 00:24:41 They just looked defeated, which was a strange thing to see in my parents after all their years of pride and control. My grandparents gave them 60 days to move out of the property, and there would be no extensions. The lawyer presented them with a signed document, and my parents had no choice but to comply. In a surprising turn, my parents also admitted to some financial missteps involving the educational funds my grandparents had provided years back. This was a huge revelation, and a lot of family members were appalled. With little choice left, my parents signed a formal repayment agreement, even though I'm sure it will be a struggle for them. They'll be moving into a small apartment once they leave the property and have to drastically cut back on their lifestyle.
Starting point is 00:25:24 It's clear this is a massive adjustment for them. They've lived comfortably off family support for so long that I don't think they ever imagined they'd have to budget her downsize. Emma, meanwhile, seems to have come to terms with the reality of the situation too. Her support system is essentially crumbling around her. The free help from my parents isn't going to be there anymore, and she can no longer depend on them to cover her bills or bail her out if her husband's business ventures fall through. But instead of complaining or trying to guilt-trip me further, she's finally taking steps to turn things around for herself. She's enrolled in a vocational program for medical billing and coding, something that should give her a steady
Starting point is 00:26:03 income and the chance to support her kids on her own terms. Her husband has taken on more hours with his delivery job and seems to be making an effort to pitch in with the family's expenses. Emma even sent me an email, not asking for money, but simply requesting help with her resume. I agreed to take a look at it, figuring it was a small way to help without enabling her dependence. What's probably been the most surprising and honestly, heartwarming, development is hearing from Emma's kids. They reached out to me through their father, Emma's first ex-husband. Apparently, my grandparents had arranged for them to attend family therapy sessions. They'd been carrying a lot of confusing feelings about the family dynamics and had been caught
Starting point is 00:26:47 in the middle of so much drama. Now, with a therapist guiding them, they're beginning to understand the complex relationships and favoritism they'd grown up around. The older kids apologized for the guilt-tripping messages they'd sent when all this first started. They said they hadn't realized how much pressure their mother was putting on me and that they felt bad for how they'd been used as pawns. I told them it was all right and that none of this was their fault. They're just kids, after all, and they were just following their mother's lead.
Starting point is 00:27:17 I feel hopeful that therapy will help them understand that they're not responsible for fixing the mess between the adults and their lives. While my parents seem to be coming to terms with their new reality, they're having a hard time fully accepting it. In one last effort to rewrite the narrative, they started sending me random photos from my childhood, each with captions like, Remember When We Were a Happy Family? And don't forget who's been there since the beginning. I'm not sure if they're genuinely trying to make amends or if it's just another tactic to play on my emotions.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Some messages talk about how they sacrificed so much to raise me, while others paint them as victims, abandoned by everyone they cared about. They've also been telling anyone who will listen that the family has turned against them, framing the whole situation as if they're innocent victims who just wanted to help Emma. But I think most of the family sees through it by now. They're keeping their distance, and the relationships are now polite but distant. As for me, this whole experience has been eye-opening. I had no idea just how deep the favoritism went or how much my family had been manipulated over the years.
Starting point is 00:28:22 My grandparents have been incredible throughout this whole process, showing a level of strength and fairness that I never fully appreciated before. They're stepping up as champions for the next generation, making sure there are safeguards in place to prevent any repeats of what happened with me and Emma. The entire experience has been a tough but necessary reality. check. It's shown me who genuinely cares about me and who just saw me as someone to lean on for financial support. In the end, I'm grateful for the people who have stood by me. Thank you and bye. I hope you enjoy this story. My siblings' obvious advances toward my wife became the subject
Starting point is 00:29:01 of my families teasing about them fitting together more naturally. When they embarrassed us during their celebration, my wife retaliated by revealing my mother's secret. A fair and now my brother is stalking my wife forcing us to move cities. This weekend, my parents have invited both me and my wife to join them for a special dinner with other family members to celebrate their 30th wedding anniversary. It's supposed to be a nice family get together, but honestly, I have mixed feelings about going there. The main reason I'm so hesitant has to do with James.
Starting point is 00:29:35 You see, James is my younger brother, and he and I have never been close, even though we're only two years apart. We don't have a strong bond. A lot of that has to do with the way he feels about me. He holds a lot of resentment, and it's been that way since we were kids. Growing up, our parents were really, really strict, especially our dad. He spent years in the military, and that mindset definitely carried over into how he raised us. He always pushed us to compete against each other. It didn't matter what it was, racing each other to the school bus in the morning or trying to outdo each other in doing chores around the house. Everything felt like a contest between the both of us. It wasn't just about doing your best. It was about doing better
Starting point is 00:30:23 than your sibling. In the beginning, I think the competition between James and me wasn't all that bad. It might have even been healthy at first. We were just kids, and a little bit of rivalry can be normal. But as time went on, things started to shift. My brother began to fall behind, especially when it came to school. I was always good with my studies. I'd get straight A's, score high on tests, and bring home report cards my parents could be proud of. Unfortunately, that only made things harder for James. Because I was doing so well, my dad would constantly compare him to me, and when James didn't measure up, he would get harsh punishments. There were nights when he wasn't allowed to eat dinner,
Starting point is 00:31:10 and other times when he was forced to stand in a corner for hours until his legs would give out from under him. I could tell how much it hurt him. Not just physically, but emotionally, too. Dad kept using me as an example. Look at your brother, he'd say, Why can't you be more like him? He even forced me to tutor James,
Starting point is 00:31:31 thinking that if I helped him study, his grades would improve. I didn't mind helping. I wanted to, but I could only do so much. The truth was, James didn't enjoy studying. It wasn't his thing. He was more of a playful, active kid who liked being outside, running around, using his imagination. Sitting still with a book just didn't interest him, no matter how hard anyone tried to make it happen. As the years went by, it became more and more obvious that the constant comparisons and pressure had taken a toll on James. He started to resent me. And honestly, I can understand why. He felt like he was always one step behind, always falling short, no matter how hard he tried. And I'll admit something that's hard to say out loud. I was so focused on making our dad proud that I didn't take the time
Starting point is 00:32:26 to see what all of that was doing to my younger brother. I never really stopped to think about how it must have felt for him, constantly living in my shadow and getting punished for not being like me. Then right before I was about to head off to college, something happened that shook our whole family. James did something drastic. He took a full bottle of sleeping pills. It was terrifying. Thankfully, our parents found him in time and rushed him to the hospital. The doctors were able to save him. him, and for that, I'll always be grateful. But that moment changed everything. It was like someone pulled the blindfold off my parents, especially my dad. For the first time, they realized just how much pain James had been hiding, how deeply he'd been hurting all those years. It took something
Starting point is 00:33:15 that's serious, something that could have ended in tragedy, for them to finally see the damage that had been building up inside him for so long. After the overdose, things really changed at home. My parents started going to therapy sessions with James to help them understand what he was going through. Ever since then, they've treated him like he's made of glass, like any wrong word or bit of pressure might cause him to break. Over the years, I've also apologized to my brother more than once. I have told him how sorry I am for not being more aware, for not standing up for him when we were younger. I've tried to make things right, at least between the two of us. But even now, so many years later, it still feels like my parents have continued to baby him.
Starting point is 00:34:01 They constantly walk on eggshells around him. After high school, when my dad wanted James to pursue college, my brother threatened to take his own life again, as he claimed he couldn't live away from home and didn't really need any higher studies. So he never ended up going. Without a proper degree, James has struggled to get a steady high-income job. Even when he does get a job, he has issues with holding it down. Either he misses too many days or ends up clashing with co-workers, and eventually he gets fired. It's like a pattern that keeps repeating.
Starting point is 00:34:37 He still lives at home, doesn't pay rent, and depends on our parents for everything. Groceries, bills, daily expenses, you name it. Just so it's clear, my brother doesn't have any diagnosed mental illness right now. He goes to therapy from time to time, and aside from the depression he went through back then, he's okay now. He's functional. He's not struggling the way he used to. In fact, he has a solid group of friends he hangs out with every day. They smoke together, drink, go out to parties. It's not like he's sitting at home withdrawn or isolated. He's living his life. The only catch is he's doing it all on my parents dying. And I think that's what frustrates me the most.
Starting point is 00:35:23 My parents never push him, never challenge him, never ask him to step up. They're scared. And I get that. They're terrified of pushing him too far, of losing him again. And he knows that. He knows exactly how to play into that fear. Sometimes it really feels like he's using it to his advantage. Because of all this, I've always felt really bad for my parents. So, when they started asking me to send money back home to help them with their daily expenses, I couldn't refuse them. I know they're retired now and don't have the same income they once did. And with James not contributing anything, I feel like it's the least I can do to support them as this situation is hard on them. Ever since then, every month, I have sent money to help out while my brother lives
Starting point is 00:36:13 like he doesn't have a care in the world. And it's gotten to the point where I feel like I have to pick up the slack in the family. Now, my wife knows all my family history. She dislikes my brother strongly. And it's not just because he's a deadbeat son to my parents, but also because he's made her feel deeply uncomfortable on multiple occasions. You see, James constantly flirts with my wife. From the day he met her, he has always acted overly affectionate towards her,
Starting point is 00:36:43 to be touchy-feely around her, and even make suggestive comments that are totally inappropriate. He does it under the guise of being playful or friendly. And if I call him out on it, he shrugs it off, laughs, and acts like I'm overreacting. What makes it worse is how my parents respond to these situations. They don't see it for what it really is. Instead of calling James out or backing me up, they dismiss it completely. They say it's just a harmless crush, like it's some innocent schoolboy thing. Sometimes they even make little comments that feel like they're subtly encouraging it.
Starting point is 00:37:20 For example, when my wife met my parents for the very first time, it was supposed to be a warm, welcoming occasion. You know, that typical meet-the-family kind of thing. But while we were all sitting together, chatting, out of nowhere, my mom told my wife, who was then just a girlfriend, something like, you are so funny. You know, you'd actually be a much better match for my other son, James. You two have the same kind of humor. She even laughed a little as she said this, like she thought it was a funny, harmless comment. Then my dad chimed in, agreeing with her.
Starting point is 00:37:58 He said to my wife something along the lines of, yeah, James is a hoot. You'll probably have more fun with someone like him. I remember just sitting there, wondering if I had heard them right. Why were they trying to link my brother and my partner? Who would even say such a thing to someone's partner? Because me and my wife were both so taken aback by their comments at first that we thought maybe they were just joking and tried to laugh it off. But over the years, my parents have continued to bring up the idea that my wife would
Starting point is 00:38:29 have been a better match for my brother. It's like this running theme they've never let go of. Over and over again, they've said things like, she's so much more like James, or commenting about how my wife and James have such similar personalities. As if that somehow means she ended up with the wrong son. Even on our wedding day, just before the ceremony, my mom pulled my wife aside and actually asked her, are you sure you want to marry him? She said it as if she was giving my partner one last chance to back out, like she was hoping my wife would change her mind and run away. Can you imagine how crushing that was to hear on our wedding day? I had a huge
Starting point is 00:39:08 fight with my parents regarding this and almost cut them off from my life back then, but then they half-heartedly apologized, promising that they would never speak that way to my wife again. However, every year on my brother's birthday, they go out of their way to get my wife to stand next to him for photos or videos. It doesn't matter how uncomfortable it makes us. They'll say things like, come on, you two look so good in pictures together, or just one photo. Don't be so stiff. It's subtle, but it's constant. No matter how many times we try to brush it off or politely shift the situation, it keeps happening.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Whenever we've brought this up, and whenever we've tried to have an honest conversation about how uncomfortable all this makes us, my parents have just brushed it off like it's nothing. My mom always tries to justify it by saying that my brother has never had a proper girlfriend. So he's just infatuated with my wife because she's so pretty and likes to stand next to her. My dad isn't much better. He says things like, what's the harm in standing next to him for a photo if it makes your brother happy? He genuinely believes it's not a big deal, that it's just a small thing, but it's not. Eventually, we just had enough. After one too many times of being made to feel uncomfortable and ignored, we have stopped going to family events that involve.
Starting point is 00:40:32 my brother. No birthdays, no get-togethers, nothing. We have pulled back completely. I have also stopped visiting my parents altogether, and so has my wife. However, my mother is insisting that we attend this time because she's invited all my cousins and distant relatives, and she doesn't want me to skip it as people might start asking questions. Ida, if I still don't attend. Update 1, thank you all for the comments. The truth is I still haven't decided whether I'm going to attend the upcoming family event or not. I've been going back and forth in my head about it, and part of me feels like maybe I should go just for the chance of meeting other family members, but the other part of me keeps thinking about everything that's happened over the years and how they've treated my wife and the way they've always made excuses for my brother and how they continue to brush off our boundaries like they don't matter.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Do I go and pretend everything's fine just to keep the peace? Or do I stay away to protect the little piece we've managed to build for ourselves? So, yeah, I'm still on the fence. Update 2, okay, so we decided to go for my parents' wedding anniversary, and it was honestly a big mistake. During the event, my parents were clearly thrilled to see me. My mom hugged me tightly and said she honestly didn't think I would come and how happy she was that I did. I just nodded and smiled. Everything was going fairly smoothly until dinner.
Starting point is 00:42:02 We were all seated around the table, catching up, making small talk. Then one of my aunts casually mentioned how all the cousins were either married or in relationships, except my brother James. She laughed a little and asked him half-jokingly why he was still single and if he was perhaps dating someone he might want to marry soon. My brother just smiled awkwardly and blushed as if he were trying to hide something. Then one of the cousins playfully shouted, Come on, James. Spill it. Do you have a crush or what?
Starting point is 00:42:35 That's when my mom, without missing a beat, said loudly, Oh, I don't know about a girlfriend, but he does have a huge crush on his brother's wife. She then pointed her finger at my wife and laughed like it was the funniest thing in the world. My dad joined in, laughing even louder. My wife and I both froze. I stared up from my plate, my jaw tight, locking eyes with my mother, but she didn't even notice. She was too busy laughing and talking to my aunt, saying something about how my brother had been enthralled by my wife for so many years,
Starting point is 00:43:08 like it was some kind of romantic movie plot and not a completely inappropriate obsession to be obsessed with your own brother's wife. Then, as if that wasn't enough, my aunt turned to my wife and asked loudly and without thinking, do you have any sisters or female cousins James could maybe date? And some of the relatives actually laughed hearing this. My brother just sat there blushing, grinning slightly, like this whole thing was totally normal. He didn't try to shut my parents down. He didn't try to steer the conversation away. He just sat there soaking in the attention like it was flattering.
Starting point is 00:43:45 I could feel the heat rising in my face. I turned to look at my wife as she sat there looking at me. embarrassed and humiliated. This was the last straw. I didn't even think. I just snapped. I raised my voice loud enough for everyone at the table to hear. And I turned to my mother and said, How dare you talk about my wife like this? The whole table went quiet. You could have heard a pin drop. I looked at both my mom and dad and said, you promised me, both of you, that you wouldn't cross this line again. You swore that you'd respect our boundaries and stop putting us in uncomfortable situations. But here we are again. You're laughing about my brother having a crush on my
Starting point is 00:44:30 wife. You think this is funny? My voice was shaking, but I didn't care. Then I turned to the rest of the table, my cousins, aunts, uncles, and I said, let me ask you all something. How many of you think it's okay for someone to openly say they have a crush on the their own siblings' partner and for the whole family to laugh about it like it's some kind of sitcom scene. Do you think this is normal? No one said a word. My aunt's smile was wiped off her face. A few others just awkwardly sipped their drinks. Suddenly, no one had an answer. I then turned to my brother, and I just let it all out. You've been acting like a creep around my wife for years, I said, my voice shaking with anger. You flirt with her every time we're around. You've sent her late-night
Starting point is 00:45:21 texts even though she's never replied. You try to stand too close to her, touch her when she's clearly uncomfortable, and act like it's all a joke. My brother's face dropped instantly. I looked around at the table and continued, and you all think this is funny. You really think it's okay for someone to act this way toward their brother's wife. I turned to my friend to my parents and said, and you too, how many times have you made comments about how my wife and James would be such a good match? You've been doing this for years. You even said stuff like this at our wedding. Do you even realize how messed up that is? How incredibly disrespectful it is, not just to me, but to my wife. Everyone was dead silent. I was pissed at my aunt, too, for going along with my
Starting point is 00:46:10 mother's joke. So, I looked directly at her and asked, would you ever say this kind of stuff about your own son's partner? Would you tell your daughter-in-law that she'd be a better fit for someone else in the family? Would you let your son act like that around someone else's wife? She looked stunned, and then slowly she shook her head. Exactly, I said. So why are you okay when my parents are doing it to me? You could feel the room shrinking into itself. Everyone was uncomfortable now, not because of me, but because I said what needed to be said, what everyone probably already knew deep down, but had chosen to ignore. My parents sat there completely stunned.
Starting point is 00:46:53 My dad looked like he was about to explode, his face red, fists clenched on the table. My mother, on the other hand, started panicking. She tried to laugh it off, her voice shaky, saying, I didn't mean anything by it. Come on, it's not that serious. It's just a harmless crush. We've always just joked like that about your wife and James. I'm sorry, but it is just funny, and I wasn't really trying to offend anyone. That's when my wife, who had been sitting next to me all evening, silent and humiliated,
Starting point is 00:47:28 finally snapped at my mother. She pushed her chair back slightly and looked directly at my mother. Her voice was calm but loud and cutting, clear enough for everyone. one to hear. Oh, I get it now, she said. Since everything's just a joke to you, I guess cheating on your husband all those years ago was just for fun, too, right? My mother froze, eyes wide. I mean, my wife continued, her voice getting sharper, I guess you had a harmless crush on the neighbor, too, right? And I guess when you decided to sleep with him, it didn't mean anything. It was just for fun, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:48:08 entire room went dead silent. My dad looked like he'd been punched in the stomach, and my mother looked completely gutted. My mother went white in the face. I couldn't stop myself from letting out a satisfied laugh. What my wife had said was absolutely true. This was an ugly little secret my parents had buried for years and kept it from everyone. Long ago, my mother had cheated on my father with their neighbor, and when he found out, she begged him not to leave. He stayed just for me and my brother. Over time, he seemed to have forgiven her, or at least has moved past it. But my wife knows this truth because I had told her.
Starting point is 00:48:50 She had held it for many years. Now finally, she had turned that truth around and used it to hit back hard at my mom for always hurting her. She had taken years of pain, years of inappropriate comments, weird jokes, and watching my parents treat her more like a prize for my brother than my partner, and she finally used the one thing she knew would shut it all down. My mom snapped out of her shock and immediately started yelling at my wife. She screamed that my wife had no right to throw that old affair in her face and that she had crossed the line. My dad joined in, raising his voice, too, calling it disrespectful and unnecessary to bring the past up.
Starting point is 00:49:29 But I wasn't having any of that. I stood up and yelled right back. You crossed the line the moment you made my wife the punch. to your creepy jokes. The moment you kept defending James like he was some kind of harmless little boy when he's been making my wife uncomfortable for years. Don't you dare talk about disrespect when you've disrespected our marriage over and over again. My mom started to cry in front of everyone, trying to spin it around like she was the victim now. But people were still processing the fact that my mother had cheated on my dad when everyone had thought of them
Starting point is 00:50:03 as the perfect couple. James finally opened his mouth only to shout at me for ruining the party. You always have to make everything about you, he yelled. I just stared at him, stunned that after everything, this was what he took away from it. You think I'm the one making this about me? I said, my voice calm but firm. You sat there and let mom announce your crush on my wife like it was some joke. You didn't say a word to stop it.
Starting point is 00:50:31 You blushed like it wasn't disgusting. You let them humiliate me and my wife again in front of everyone. And now you're mad at me for standing up. He rolled his eyes and waved his arms around dramatically. Oh, please. You always act like the victim. No one even said anything that bad. As my parents and James kept shouting and throwing blame around,
Starting point is 00:50:57 my wife and I decided to leave. The yelling didn't seem like it was going to. stop any time soon. And honestly, what was the point of staying there any longer? It was clear they weren't interested in listening or understanding where we were coming from. They just wanted to be angry and play the victims. So, without another word, we quietly picked up our things and walked out. We're done, I announced before leaving. Don't dare to contact us unless you all grow up and are ready to take some accountability. Since that night, my phone has been buzzing constant. Most of them from my mom, a few from my dad, too.
Starting point is 00:51:37 They're full of anger and guilt-tripping. They keep saying that my wife and I had no right to expose mom's cheating, especially in front of the whole family. According to them, we completely destroyed their so-called picture-perfect marriage by exposing my mom's affair to everyone. My mom in particular has been relentless. She says she's been humiliated and that everyone is now looking at her differently and that we've shattered her reputation. And because of all this, my mom now expects my wife to publicly
Starting point is 00:52:07 apologize to her for what she said during dinner. My mom truly believes that my wife owes her an apology for calling out her hypocrisy and for bringing up something that, according to her, should have stayed in the past. It's honestly exhausting. Update 3. After days of back and forth in my own head, I finally picked up the phone and called my parents. I knew the conversation wouldn't go well, but I also knew I had to say what needed to be said clearly and directly. I told them calmly but firmly that after everything they had said and done, not just during that awful dinner, but over the years, I couldn't keep pretending like things were okay between us. I told them that my wife and I were tired of feeling disrespected. I explained that I had spent years trying to keep the
Starting point is 00:52:53 peace, sending money every single month to help them out, not just because they had asked, but because I also genuinely wanted to help. I thought it was the right thing to do. I wanted to support them because they're my parents and because James was clearly not contributing anything. But now, after seeing the way they have kept treating us, after all the humiliation and the clear favoritism and complete lack of accountability, I told them I could no longer continue. I told them I would be cutting off all contact. No more phone calls, no more visits, and no more financial support. that this was the only way forward for me and my wife to heal and live in peace. My parents didn't take it well at all. The moment I said I'd be cutting them off financially, they completely lost
Starting point is 00:53:40 it. My mother started yelling, calling me ungrateful, and accusing me of abandoning my family. My dad jumped in, saying I was turning my back on the people who raised me for years. They kept saying I was taking things too far over something they still claimed was just a joke. Not once did they accept their mistakes or even apologize. My mom even accused my wife of turning me against them, as if I'm too weak-minded to make my own decisions. They cursed me literally and said I would regret this for the rest of my life when my wife would eventually leave me. It was brutal to hear, but I didn't waver. I stood my ground, and then I ended the call.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Since then, my wife and I have blocked them. Update 4. It's been almost three months since my last. update, and a lot has happened since then. First of all, despite cutting my brother off and warning him multiple times, James has continued to send my wife creepy, unsolicited love letters. Even after our threats to involve the police, he just didn't seem to care. Then a month ago, my wife and I received some incredible news. We are pregnant and expecting a baby. We were overjoyed and shared the happy news on social media. This was clearly a huge. huge mistake because earlier this week, things took a terrifying turn.
Starting point is 00:55:03 My wife came home from work and was shocked to find James sitting on our porch waiting for her. He started to get up as soon as she saw him. She immediately felt unsafe, so she ran back to her car and started driving away as he ran towards the car and begged her to stay and talk with him. I can't even begin to explain the panic that she must have felt at that moment. She called me, and I rushed home as fast as I could. We both called the police right away, but unfortunately, since James hasn't technically broken any laws yet, like attacking my wife or breaking into our home, they couldn't arrest him.
Starting point is 00:55:40 According to the police, he hasn't actually committed any crime, just persistent harassment. So, they let him off with a warning. And that's the part that frustrates me to no end. He's crossing so many lines, but the law can't seem to do much until it's too late. However, we did speak to a lawyer, and he's helping us file a restraining order against my brother. My wife no longer feels safe in our current home. I also don't want to put her or our unborn child at risk in case James decides to show up again. So, we've decided to sell our house and move to a new city away from all of this madness before our baby is born.
Starting point is 00:56:21 I'm beyond pissed off and exhausted. This situation is out of control, and I'm doing everything. everything I can to protect my wife and child. I can't let anything happen to them. I hope you enjoy this story. Spouse's lengthy liaison with my acquaintance came to an end when I apprehended her in the act and divulged their concealed communications by producing evidence. Consequently, my partner, aged 26, whom I will refer to as Mia, was unfaithful to me. 27M with a friend of mine 27M call him Jack for the story's sake. A bit of backstory. We met when I was 22 at another friend's wedding, she was a good friend of the bride and I the groom and they sat us at that
Starting point is 00:57:05 table so we would get together. When I first seen her, I was completely taken back by how beautiful she was and when she sat down, and we began to talk we found out we had a lot of things in common we clicked instantly. We talked for a while, ate the dinner and took to the dance floor. We danced and drank through the night, we ended up kissing in the middle of the dance floor and when we pulled away our friends, the bride and groom came up to us and asked what was up between us. They were really excited to play matchmaker, we just shrugged it off and carried on with our night. We left not exchanging numbers, but about a week later I got a text from her asking me out, bride gave her my number. I of course said yes, and it turned into a
Starting point is 00:57:48 relationship. The relationship was great other than small arguments we never really fought, and it was never anything really serious. I eventually asked her to marry me about two years into us dating and we were married less than year later. We were married for a little more than a year when it all came crashing down on me. Just before our first anniversary there were little thing that were irritating me, she became more guarded of her phone, girls' nights became more frequent, and our SEG's life was almost non-existent. I had brought this up on multiple occasions but was brushed off in that I'm letting my insecurities get to me. She would continue go on as if what I felt and tried to communicate didn't matter to her, so I became colder and colder.
Starting point is 00:58:31 I stopped giving her a goodbye kiss as I leave for work and unless it was something important, we hardly spoke. One night while she slept, I took her phone and laptop and skimmed through her texts, emails and messenger apps and found nothing, and from reading stories on here I checked her car. I grabbed her keys and looked in her car and found a second phone I knew in that instant what was going on, but I wanted all the evidence for when I call her out, I didn't want her to say something like it had only happened once or anything stupid like that. I looked through the phone and found only one number. I read through every message, I connected the phone to my computer and printed out every message and every photo and spent the night researching divorce lawyers.
Starting point is 00:59:13 I spent hours of my day in my at-home office reading bios of lawyers and found one that I liked and emailed him, but as it was a Saturday, he wasn't in the office. I then wanted to know who the guy was, so I grabbed my phone typed the number. I wanted to call and pretend I'm Spectrum because who doesn't have Spectrum but Jack's contact popped up. It took me a minute to put two and two together, but when I did, I blew up. I was yelling and cursing in my office and my wife opened the door to check on me, but when I see her, I told her to get the F out. We closed the door and went to our room. I had never cursed at my wife or raised my voice above a normal volume. All of day I never left my office I was just silently raging, just glaring at the wall.
Starting point is 00:59:59 I called one of my friends, groom from the wedding, and tell him I need to go for a drink and asks if he'll come with me, he must have heard something in my voice because he asked if I was okay, I told him I wasn't and I really need to drink. So, without word, I took all the printouts and left to go to the bar. I arrived first ordered four shots of Jack and a beer. I was on my last shot when my friend, call him Ted, arrived and asked what's going on. I told him straight out Mia is cheating. He gave me sympathy and I asked if he wanted to know with who and told him it was Jack. He became visibly irritated he was the one that introduced me to Jack and all he could say was I'm sorry over and over. Jack and I were never super close. We wouldn't ask one another to hang out,
Starting point is 01:00:44 but if we see each other at a get-together we were friendly. I told Ted don't mention this to anyone as I had just found out and I haven't even spoken to Mia or a lawyer yet. I asked him not to tell his wife and if she asked what was wrong with me to say I'm having problems at work, he agreed. We drank and talked for most of the night then I called an Uber and went home around 3 a.m. It was the first time I looked at my phone since I called Ted and there was missed calls a bunch of texts all from Mia asking me where I was. When I'd be home and if I was okay. I got home and she was asleep on the couch I just walked up to our bedroom and went to sleep. I woke up with her in the
Starting point is 01:01:22 bed so I got dressed and left the house. I went to go pick up my car and go to my office and buried myself and work for the day and went back home around 10 p.m. to my surprise my wife was there to greet me and she told me she had made me dinner she asked if I wanted her to heated up I told her no and went to bed she followed soon after asking what's been wrong with me I told her to leave me alone and that I wanted to sleep she kept pestering me eventually I snapped and yelled me a stop I am trying to sleep go away the next morning I received an email from the lawyer asking to meet later in the day and I confirmed and got ready for my day I went downstairs to leave and Mia had made breakfast asking to talk I made a small plate and sat down she started by saying
Starting point is 01:02:01 I've been acting different and going on and on about how I changed and she wants to know why I told her work has been stressful and soon it would be all over. I finished up and told her I've got to go. I went to my office and counted down the minutes to go meet the lawyer. When I left, I told my assistant I'm going out to lunch with. A client my wife would call my work. Sometimes and left the meeting with the lawyer went well and I handed over all I had gathered on her and the lawyer had told me, well, I'm sorry for all that's going on, but I'm happy you gathered all this information you see we live in an at fault state so your wife has no claim on most of your money. I told him I didn't even think about that I was just thinking I've got to divorce her as soon as possible he asked
Starting point is 01:02:37 to keep the evidence, but I told him I'd prefer you to just make copies as I haven't. Told my wife I knew yet and I don't want to hear her excuses. He agreed and had his assistant make copies. I asked when she will be served with papers he told me about two weeks. I then thanked him and left I went home to confront my wife when I arrived. She wasn't home so I called her no answer called again no answer. I texted her I don't give a F if you're writing Jack right now get home. We need to talk low and behold she calls me not a minute.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Later asking what I was talking about all I told her. Was get home now she arrives about 15 minutes later and I said to her, Wow, look at that 15 minutes that's about the same distance between here and Jack's isn't it? She looked at me dumbfounded. I gave her a minute to gather herself but she was just looking at me and I said, well, nothing to say she tried to deny and gaslight me and I let her continue on. She worked herself up and started to insult me. I slammed my fist on the table to shut.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Her up and pulled out the evidence at first and showed it from the side and said, Look at this mountain of things I gathered on you. Then I showed her each printout at a time she then tells me to stop and started to cry. She tried to apologize and tells me she loved me. I said, honey, what happened to that energy you had before you were so adamant on degrading and insulting me just a minute ago? She tried to hung me and tell me how sorry she is. I put my hand out and told her don't touch me.
Starting point is 01:03:52 She says, we'll go to the bedroom man. Do whatever I like I looked her deep in her. I isn't told her sweetheart I will never touch you again. Do you want to know who else has these photos and messages? as my lawyer I'm divorcing you now get a bag, gather your clothes and get the F out of my house that was three days ago and I haven't heard from her I'm sorry about how long this is and if there are any spelling errors I'm curious to those have been where I'm at what can I expect from here thank you for reading update one after I posted. The first part of this you all have given
Starting point is 01:04:19 me a ton of advice so I followed most of it this morning I planned on doing a bit of damage control of my life so I scheduled an appointment with my doctor to get checked for STDs and I have that appointment in two days next. I started contacting all the people close to me, my father, and a few friends. They all have been really supportive offering their own advice and asking if I need help with anything. But as I got this crap on lock, I declined. I then started to contact her family. I sent a text to her.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Mom and Dad thanking them for allowing me into their family and that I was grateful for all that they had done for me, but Mia and I are getting divorced and that I would miss them terribly not really. They were very suffocating and while they I no longer have to deal with it, I then told them if they had any questions, feel free to ask. I didn't hear back from them for a while, so I moved on to Mia's sister this kind of hurt because her sister and I were good friends and I knew this would mess up. That, friendship I texted her, hey, I'm sorry to have to text you this, but Mia and I are going to get a divorce and I wanted you to know I want to thank you from day when you accepted me as a brother I will be around if you ever need anything for me around the time I sent the text her parents responded back I'll type up how the conversation when parents we are so sorry to hear this what happened why hasn't Mia said anything to us me Mia has been in at least a year long affair I suspect it started. Before our wedding I'm unsure why she hasn't reached out but I think you should call her she left the house I figured she would have gone to you parents. No, we haven't heard from her. We'll call her thanks for letting us know. Are you sure she was having an affair? Me, I am positive. I found their texts. Parents were so sorry that she did that we'll try and get in touch with her after dealing with her
Starting point is 01:05:51 family. I moved on to Jack's fiancé. I can't remember if I told you all that he is engaged in though. First part one, no, it was brought up in some of the comments I thought this was going to be difficult that Mia and Jack would have conspired some master plan, but either Mia didn't tell him I found out or they're just idiots. I sent her a text around two people. I thought. I thought this. I and asked if we could meet for a coffee or something by 205 she agreed and told me to meet her at some gross hipster coffee shot across from her work at 2.30 I arrived first ordered my horrible coffee and waited for a few minutes she walked and ordered hers and came and joined her. There's no easy way to say what I'm about to tell you so I'm just going to blurt it out. Jack has been cheating on you with my wife. It's been going on for more than. A year she was obviously shocked so I then told her. I only found out a few days ago I know I should have told you then but I had a divorce get started in my own pity to deal with, she asked how I found out I told her everything that's in the first post. I then asked if she wanted to see the evidence I gathered and pulled out a binder. She grabbed the binder and skimmed through the messages and pictures and just
Starting point is 01:06:50 started to silently cry. I told her she's more than welcome to take the binder extra copies. If she wanted to confront Jack with it or use it to see if he would lie she thanked me stood up, took the binder and I told her if she needs anything for me to let me know she nodded her head and walked out looking very defeated. I know you all told me to just stay sober, keep a level head and whatnot, but my world just came crashing down on my head I'm going to take this week to sit on my back porch, drink, smoke cigars and Blair music after this week I'll stop feeling sorry for myself get back. To my usual schedule on a more positive note I've. Already packed up most of her things, clothes, jewelry, etc. I also threw in our wedding book and
Starting point is 01:07:28 every photo that has her in it in the boxes if and when she comes back for her stuff I don't want her here any longer than she needs to be also before you ask no I didn't ruin her clothes other than a few picture frames nothing's broken as of right now there's nothing else happening I told everyone I needed to tell my doctor's appointment is scheduled my lawyers hard at work to get me out of this nonsense and 90% of her things are in boxes I really don't know what's left if she stays out of my hair this might be the smoothest divorce thank you for reading advice is always appreciated update to hey everyone I'm sorry I've been missing in action for a while and didn't respond to comments and messages but I think I've caught up and now for the update so
Starting point is 01:08:05 since the update I've been enjoying my pity party drinking drinking and more drinking I'd say this is my first semi-sober moment since I found out about everything and can't really put into words how I feel I guess numb is an accurate word in the last update I told you all I notified everyone and the only one that didn't respond was me as sister who I was very close to well that night I wrote the update I had continued my drinking binge after I posted and passed out on my back patio with a bottle and a few beer cans surrounding me and woke up to the smell of breakfast being cooked. My first thought was, oh Christ, Mia came back and thinks that breakfast was going to make up for what she's. Dunn, I worked myself up to a rage and threw myself out of the chair
Starting point is 01:08:44 ready for a screaming match, but to my surprise it was Mia's sister caller Emma. I stood there for a moment trying to calm myself back down, but when Emma seen I was awake she sprinted to me and wrapped her arms around me. She didn't say anything to me. She just took my hand and led me to the table and put a plate in front of me as I ate. She told me how sorry she was and that when, her sister showed up to her house and just said that. We were having problems and it would be fine in a few days then told me that when I texted her that we were divorcing, she asked Mia if it would be fine. Why is he divorcing you? Apparently Mia just broke down and told Emma everything I scoffed and said there's no way she told you everything and proceeded to tell her all that happened.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Emma told me that Mia had said it was a one-time thing and that I was blowing it out of proportion I told Emma that. I have no intention of getting back together with. Mia and if that is why she's here she's wasting her time and if she's in contact with Mia, Emma needs to tell her to find a lawyer she laughed and said she wasn't here for her sister. She was here for me. She told me that of course she'd be there for my sister but that her and I are friends and she wouldn't abandon me especially when I didn't do anything wrong. I stood up and went to her side of the table and just hugged her I was so worried that all. This BS that's going on would ruin her and my friendship and hearing her say that made me feel so much better Emma stayed with me for two days guest bedroom and left this morning as I am preparing to leave for my cabin.
Starting point is 01:10:02 I had it before the marriage Mia can't touch it. I was gathering my hunting and fishing equipment she asked if she could join me but I told her as much as I would like that she should probably go check in on her sister. She agreed hugged me and left I am truly grateful to Emma for being there for me and before any of you say. She's into me, she's not, she's also 20, and that's way too young for me. It's just a really great friendship I almost forgot to say I went to the doctors got tested and the results should be in on Monday. I've reached out to Jack's fiancé a few times just to check on her. She tells me she's fine and she doesn't know what to do I told her if she wants to meet any time next week so she could vent I'm more than happy to listen. Thank you all so much for reading, reaching out and all the
Starting point is 01:10:40 praise you've. All given, you all have been a light and a truly dark time in my life to any of you who are going through this as I am the only thing I can say is keep your head down focus on what you really want if it's divorce or if you reconcile set your goals wanted in my case lawyer then doctor and notifying everyone close keep it off the internet though also set time aside to get your feelings out thank you again and sorry these updates are always so long update three in my last post i told you all about Emma coming to my house and staying for a few days she left when I was leaving to go hunting at my cabin good news I got a buck a nice fat eight pointer I got him on my first day out there which I'm very happy about as it left me the rest of my time to go fishing I only caught two
Starting point is 01:11:20 they were decent size so I made one my dinner and butchered the other I spent the rest of my stay at the cabin cleaning my deer and enjoying the views of nature other than a drink or two a day I spent my trip sober as I promise my drinking was only for last week now on to the last few days I got a call for my doctor and I'm all clean it's not such a shock as me and I haven't had much passionate nights in a few months but all the same you can never be too sure I reached out to Jack's fiancé but didn't hear back for some time she eventually responded back telling me she's staying with her family right now she didn't really go into detail much but her staying with her family you can only assume as I do that that means it's not going so well at least she's
Starting point is 01:11:59 with family safe and with all the support that she could need I told her if there is anything I can do all she has to do is reach out she asked me to meet and get coffee the following day which I of course agreed to the following day we met at the same gross hipster coffee shop and talked for about two hours we talked about everything that happened with Mia and I. She wanted to know what steps I was taking if I was divorcing or if there was any. Chance I would. Reconcile I told her after someone cheats in my book. That's it that the amount of selfishness and disrespect it takes to cheat let alone for a year she obviously didn't care for me. I asked her what her plan was. She told me she's confused about everything that everything she thought was truth turned out to be lies.
Starting point is 01:12:37 She wasn't sure what her next move should be if she should move on or if she should forgive him. I told her if you could forgive someone for cheating on you for that amount of time. She's a better person than me. She told me all of her family was telling her that she should forgive him and go on to get married. I told her I was going to be blunt with her and went on to say just because it's what your family wants doesn't mean you need to follow along then said Jack obviously doesn't care about marriage and what it all means he cheated on you his fiancé with my wife if that doesn't show you he's not marriage material I told her. She needed to do what she thought was right and not to have anyone other than herself make decision that will affect her
Starting point is 01:13:12 life i told her when i found out all i could do was think of a way my heart could trick my brain into thinking of some way i can accept it and forgive her but i just couldn't do it i also said i only talked to one person but i had already made my decision and no one could change my mind i bet when you went to stay with your family you had a pretty good idea of what you were going to do but you let too many people in end. They all gave their own take on it. I finished by telling her all she needed to do was to follow her gut that her brain and heart will always lie to her, but if her gut feels something's off nine out of ten times her guts probably right she soon after thanked me and we left each other and went home the following day I got a message for my lawyer that Mia had
Starting point is 01:13:50 successfully been served at work. I thanked him for all his work especially in the time frame he's gotten it done not long after that Emma called and told me Mia hasn't left her room all day and sobbing in bed I told her she was served and is probably realizing how bad she messed up Emma asked me how the cabin was and if I got anything I told her everything I did and how my time was there we talked for a moment and hung up after I prepared myself and my house for my wife's explosion I figured if there was any time she would it would be soon now that she's been served so now I am waiting patiently biting my time I have Advil on standby for what I can only assume is going to be a bad ache I told my friend and he agreed if Mia showed up he would race over to be a witness
Starting point is 01:14:30 just in case all else fails. I'm currently writing waiting for Hurricane Mia to tear through my house if or when she does. I'll send out another update. Thank you all for reading update for about an hour or so after I posted last I was waiting for Mia to show up at the house and go ballistic. I had no real reason she would do anything but given everything that's. Happened I never really knew the women I went around to all the cameras that I had up and made sure they were working properly both the ones inside and outside I called my friend letting him know that Mia was served today and if she shows up he needs to get to my. house as soon as he could I am not going to jail because of this woman turns out I was right because Mia had shown up at the house banging on the door screaming to let her and I immediately called my friend and Emma to get here because Mia is beating down my door she was cursing my name begging me to let her and calling me every name in the book and how I could be so heartless she's not wrong because the entire time she was screaming and banging on the door all I could do was laugh I then wondered why she didn't just walk and she still had keys at least to my
Starting point is 01:15:27 knowledge when my friend showed up she was still screaming and cursing so he started to record on his phone and stayed in his truck. But this idiot brought his wife with him. Mia's friend so she got out and tried to calm her down she walked up to Mia putting her arms around her and trying to get her to talk to her Mia then slapped her across the face screaming at her to mind her own business that made my friend who now has a video of it to call the police she continued to scream and curse until the police got there when they did she tried so hard to play the of the two officers walked up to her and she started to cry in, tell them I hit her and threw her out of them. House my friend and his wife had told the other officer that when they came to the house,
Starting point is 01:16:04 she was yelling and banging on the door so they couldn't confirm that I didn't do what Mia said I had done after that officer was done talking with my friend and his wife he came to my door and when I opened it Mia said there that's him he hit me. I want him arrested. He started to put me in cuffs when I told him I can prove that she's lying to you all I need. Is my phone the officer stopped and told me to? Show him the view from the outside cameras after. reviewing the video he apologized for jumping to conclusions and automatically assuming I was the one in the wrong I told him I didn't fault him but he then told me that they received 15 calls total from my neighbors and apparently during Mia's rant she had screamed out he hit me so the officers
Starting point is 01:16:40 had already made their judgment after having to deal with the police for about a half our Mia ended up being put in cuffs and charged with disturbing the piece public intoxication and a DUI as the police took Mia to the car Emma showed up and came to me asking what had happened I showed her the video on my phone of it all the officer then came up to me to hand me the case number and some other paperwork Emma starting to ask questions about the charges so I just went back inside Emma followed soon after and sat next to me she told me she left her house for 10 minutes to run to the store but when she got back Mia was no longer in the living room so she thought Mia had gone to bed after she drank too much wine Emma and I talked for a while and she asked me if she
Starting point is 01:17:20 could stay the night I said she was welcome anytime she told me that Mia had to spend the night in jail. I don't know why, but they could bail her out in the morning. She told me that when I went back inside she called her parents to let them know what was happening and to see if they could bail me out because Emma doesn't have that kind of money. We had a beer together and soon went. To bed when I woke up in the morning Emma already left to meet with her parents. I haven't heard from Mia Emma or their parents, but I don't think it's a fun conversation. Update 5. I haven't heard from Mia since that night, but my lawyer was contacted by hers letting him know he'll be representing Mia. Finally we can start this process. I also reached out to do.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Jack's fiance to see if she has any news on her front we only texted back and fourth but she told me she has kicked him out of her house and had her father and brother pack up all this thing and drop it off at his house she told me her dad and brother wanted to beat him but she asked them not to and that she just wants to put all this behind her and move on she thanked me for checking on her and tells me her close friends are there for her when she needs them i sent her the link to my Reddit page so she can see all the support you all give to me and to her on Friday the moment I got off. Work I raced home my plan was to back to my. Cabin for the weekend when I arrived Emma was in my driveway. She wanted to grab her sister's things and had a list of what my wife
Starting point is 01:18:32 expected I skimmed through it and all but one thing was already in a box or sitting in my garage waiting to be picked up. I told her I'm not transporting or touching anything that's in here. I'm not going to be responsible if Mia wants to claim I destroyed her stuff. I told her I'd pay for a moving company to come and pack and take all her things for her because right. Now, I'm going to cabin and don't have the time to deal with Mia's crap she said that would be great she took a box of Mia's clothes and put it in her car she then turned to me and asked if she could tag along this time I said sure why don't you go back home drop off the box and pack a bag for herself by the time I went to the store and packed up the truck she was pulling up I locked up my house and took off
Starting point is 01:19:10 to the cabin with Emma the weekend went really well the last time I was up there I realized what a gem that place is it has a beautiful view and is completely secluded so I don't have to deal with any people it's a place you can truly breath in and relax on Monday. I call the moving company and by today Tuesday three guys and a big truck pulled up and started loading. I had every box open and recorded as they closed the box and picked it up. I took pictures of all the furniture and recorded as the movers loaded it. I thanked them all for tolerating me and tip them each and extra $50. I then sent all the recordings and pictures to my lawyer and carried on with my day the house seems empty but also clean without all her things here when I started this process
Starting point is 01:19:49 my lawyer told me not to get rid of anything that could be considered shared, so I put most of the furniture in a storage unit I've been sleeping in the guest room since she left so up until I started writing this post I've been buying all new. Furniture I'll most likely be keeping the majority of it in the garage now that I have the space I won't be keeping the house even if I win it in the divorce it holds too many now bad memories. Thanks for reading update 6 it's been a while since I posted I coach high school baseball so between getting this divorce done dealing with my soon-to-be ex and coaching these kids I don't have much free time at the moment quite a bit has happened so this might be a long post so please bear with me a few days after the movers took her things to mea my lawyer received some paperwork
Starting point is 01:20:30 saying i damaged her things and demanding i pay her one thousand five hundred dollars where she would be taking me to court over it my lawyer sent hers all the videos and pictures asking exactly where the damages were that he claimed i made he told me all this does is tell the judge will get how unhinged she is and it might be a headache now but when it's time for court this will all be perfect evidence I don't think her lawyer was ready for how meticulous I am and that I will photograph and document everything when I found out about my wife's affair I was for some reason pulled to this page and read all of the horror stories about the things these people's former spouses did to them and I absolutely refused to be another one of those stories I prepared myself
Starting point is 01:21:07 for almost every outcome and accusation she could make I wouldn't put anything past her at this point Mia had called me once every other day but I never pick up if she leaves a voicemail I don't bother listening to it, I just send it to my lawyer. Every time I send my lawyer something, he always tells me you are a lawyer's wet dream. You listen to everything I say you gathered a mountain of evidence on your own. I have yet to have a client that has done so well wasn't exaggerating when I said he says that every time, but it also puts a smile on my face every time getting that reassurance from him that I'm doing everything the right thing just makes me feel a little bit better about this whole situation
Starting point is 01:21:41 about two maybe three weeks ago, my lawyer told me that we have enough evidence to bury her outside of court and if it fails it would look good on us for trying so we set a date a week ago to meet in a neutral lawyer's office before we met he told me no matter what don't react to anything that Mia might say and that we do will be recorded for a judge will read if it goes to court we arrived in the early morning and went into the office to my surprise she was already there waiting with her lawyer we walked in and the lawyers started greeting each other Mia and and I sat there silently waiting for what was going to happen Mia's lawyer started by asking what we had to offer mine scoffed and said with the mountain of evidence of the infidelity and
Starting point is 01:22:18 Mia's inappropriate behavior after the only thing we'll offer is half of the selling price of the home and half of the savings account that's more than any judge would award you basically what you came into the marriage with you'll be leaving he looked directly at Mia and said if you decide to go to court I will put every message making you read it all out loud then I will put every photo up for all into court to see but he didn't say that at the time and make you describe in detail what you're doing in each photo then I'll bring up your recent charges and play the video that was taken that night Mia started to tear up looking at me asking if there was anything she could do to make this right I said you've been cheating
Starting point is 01:22:51 on me since before our wedding all I can prove is a few weeks. Before the wedding but I expect it was much longer there is nothing at all you could possibly do to make me forget or forgive you for what you've done sign the papers it's more than you deserve and I want to be done with this whole sham you created she cried obnoxiously for 15 minutes having to excuse herself to the restroom when she returned she was still in tears but signed the papers and walked out not long after so in about a month. Everything will be filed and all I'll have left to do is. Sell the house I want to thank you all for reading and all of the advice you've given.
Starting point is 01:23:23 I don't see anything else happening but I could be wrong and if it does I'll let you know but this will probably be my last post. So again thank you all I hope what's happened to me has helped at least one person out there. I hope you enjoy this story. Spouse's acquaintance spent a long time visiting our residence, insisting that she merited a superior partner than myself. Eventually, they directly expressed to me that I did not measure up to her standards. Just sat there and didn't defend me so I walked out and left her.
Starting point is 01:23:53 I never thought my marriage would end the way it did, but now while writing this I can see all the signs that led to that final moment when I packed my bags and walked out the door. My name is David and I was married to Sarah for eight years before everything fell apart, and the worst part is that it all happened right in front. of her friends who she cared more about impressing than protecting her own husband. Sarah and I met in college, and back then she seemed different from the person she became later. She was kind and supportive and we had the same dreams about building a life together,
Starting point is 01:24:24 but somewhere along the way after we got married and bought our house in the suburbs, she started hanging around with a group of women from our neighborhood who changed her completely. These women were all married to men who made a lot more money than I did, and they spent their days shopping and going to expensive lunches and talking about their husband's jobs and how much money they spent on vacations and cars and jewelry. Sarah started comparing our life to theirs and she began acting like she was embarrassed by me and my job as a high school teacher, even though when we first got married she said she admired how I wanted to help kids learn and grow. The group of women included Rebecca who was married to a lawyer, Jessica whose husband owned a restaurant,
Starting point is 01:25:04 Maria whose husband was a doctor, and Linda whose husband was a doctor, and Linda whose husband, worked in real estate and made huge commissions selling expensive houses. They would come to our house every Tuesday for what they called their coffee club, but it was really just an excuse for them to gossip and show off and make each other feel bad about their lives. At first Sarah tried to keep me away from these meetings and she would ask me to stay late at school or run errands when her friends came over, but I started noticing that she was different after they left. She would be quiet and moody and she would make comments about how we needed to get a bigger house or how I should look for a better paying job, and when I asked her what was wrong, she would just say
Starting point is 01:25:40 nothing and go to bed early. The first time I really understood what was happening was about six months ago when I came home early from school because I had a migraine and needed to lie down. I walked into our living room and found all five women sitting around our coffee table with their expensive purses and designer clothes, and they were talking about their husbands and how much money they made and what kind of cars they drove. Sarah saw me come in and her face went red, and she introduced me to her friends even though I had met most of them before at neighborhood parties.
Starting point is 01:26:11 Rebecca looked me up and down and said hello in a way that made it clear she thought I was interrupting something important, and Jessica just nodded without really looking at me. I said hello to everyone and went to the kitchen to get some water for my headache, but I could hear them talking in low voices and I caught Sarah saying something about how I was having a rough day at work. When I came back through the living room to go upstairs, Maria made a comment about how it must be nice to have summers off like teachers do, and she said it in a way that made it sound like I was lazy or that my job was easy. I wanted to explain that teachers don't actually get summers off because we spend that time planning lessons and taking professional
Starting point is 01:26:50 development courses and many of us work second jobs to make ends meet, but Sarah jumped in quickly and changed the subject to talk about some new restaurant that Jessica's husband had bought. I went upstairs and took some medicine and tried to sleep, but I kept thinking about the way those women looked at me and how Sarah seemed embarrassed to have me there. After that day things got worse because Sarah started inviting her friends over more often, and she stopped trying to schedule their meetings when I wasn't home. It was like she wanted me to be there so they could all see how much better their husbands were than me, and she seemed to enjoy the way they talked down to me or ignored me completely when I walked through my own living room. The comments started small but they got worse over time. Rebecca would make jokes about how teachers probably don't understand business or money, and Jessica would talk about how her husband bought her expensive jewelry and then look at Sarah's wedding ring which was modest because that's all we could afford when I proposed.
Starting point is 01:27:45 Maria would mention how her husband worked long hours to provide for their family, like she was suggesting that I didn't work hard enough, and Linda would talk about the expensive vacations they took and how important it was to experience the final. things in life. Sarah never defended me during these conversations, and sometimes she would even join in with comments about how we needed to be more ambitious or how she wished we could afford to do more things. She started talking about how her friend's husbands were so successful and driven, and she would sigh when she looked around our house which was perfectly nice but not as big or fancy as theirs. The worst part was that these women would make these comments right in front of me, like I wasn't even there or like my feelings didn't matter. They would talk about
Starting point is 01:28:28 their husband's promotions and bonuses while looking at me like I was some kind of failure, and Sarah would nod along like she agreed with everything they said. I tried talking to Sarah about how her friends made me feel unwelcome in my own home, but she would get defensive and say that I was being too sensitive or that I didn't understand how women talked to each other. She said her friends were just sharing their lives and that I shouldn't take everything so personally, but I knew there was more to it than that because I could see the way they looked at each other when they made their little comments. One day in March the situation reached a breaking point that I still think about every day. I had come home from school early again because we had a
Starting point is 01:29:06 half day for teacher conferences, and I found the coffee club in full swing in our living room. They were talking about some charity gala that they were all attending with their husbands, and they were describing the expensive dresses they had bought and the donations their husbands were making to impress other people at the event. I said hello and went to the kitchen to make myself a sandwich because I hadn't eaten lunch, and I could hear them talking about me in the next room. Rebecca was saying something about how it was too bad that not everyone could afford to attend events like that, and Jessica laughed and said something about how some people had different priorities in life. When I came back through the living room with my sandwich, Maria looked at me
Starting point is 01:29:45 and said that it must be nice to have such a simple life without all the stress and responsibility that comes with a high-powered career. She said it with a smile but her voice had an edge to it, and Linda nodded and said that some people were just meant for different kinds of work. I felt my face get hot and I wanted to say something back, but before I could speak, Sarah laughed and said that she sometimes wondered what it would be like to be married to someone more ambitious. She said it like she was joking but everyone in the room could tell she was serious, and her friends all looked at each other with knowing smiles. Rebecca then said that Sarah was such a smart and beautiful woman and that she could probably have married anyone she wanted,
Starting point is 01:30:24 and she asked Sarah if she ever thought about what her life would be like if she had made different choices. The room went quiet and everyone looked at Sarah waiting for her answer, and I stood there holding my sandwich feeling like I wanted to disappear. Sarah looked at me for a long moment and then she looked back at her friends and said that she tried not to think about things like that because it wasn't fair to compare, but then she said that sometimes she did wonder what it would be like to be with someone who could provide more opportunities and experiences. She said that she loved me but that sometimes she felt like we were limited in what we could do together, and her friends all nodded like they understood
Starting point is 01:30:59 exactly what she meant. Jessica then said that it was important for women to have partners who could match their level of ambition and sophistication, and she said that some people were just naturally more driven than others. Maria added that it was hard to grow as a person when you were with someone who was content with mediocrity, and Linda said that life was too short to settle for less than what you really wanted. I stood there listening to my wife and her friends talk about me like I was some kind of charity case or burden, and I felt something break inside me that I don't think ever got fixed. Sarah looked at me again and I could see in her eyes that she meant everything she was saying, and that she had probably been thinking these thoughts for a long time without telling me.
Starting point is 01:31:40 I set my sandwich down on the coffee table and I said that I needed to go run some air. and I left the house without saying goodbye to anyone. I drove around for two hours thinking about everything that had happened and trying to figure out when my wife had stopped respecting me and started seeing me as something she was embarrassed by. When I got home that evening Sarah's friends were gone and she was in a kitchen making dinner like nothing had happened. I asked her if we could talk and she said sure, and I told her that I had heard what
Starting point is 01:32:08 she said about wondering what her life would be like with someone else and how she felt limited by being married to me. Sarah got defensive right away and said that I was taking everything out of context and that she was just making conversation with her friends. She said that women talk about hypothetical situations all the time and that it didn't mean anything, but I could tell by the way she avoided looking at me that she knew she had crossed a line. I told her that it wasn't just about what she said that day but about how she had been treating me for months in front of her friends, and how she never defended me when they made their little comments about my job or our lifestyle. I said that I felt like she was ashamed of me and that she would rather
Starting point is 01:32:47 be married to someone like Rebecca's husband or Jessica's husband who could buy her expensive things and take her to fancy events. Sarah started crying and said that wasn't true, but then she said that she did sometimes feel frustrated that we couldn't do all the things her friends could do with their husbands. She said that she felt left out when they talked about their vacations and shopping trips and fancy dinners, and that she wished we had more money so we could experience those things too. I told her that I understood that she wanted nice things and experiences, but that the way she was handling her feelings was destroying our marriage. I said that her friends were using her insecurities to make themselves feel better about their own lives,
Starting point is 01:33:27 and that she was letting them turn her against me instead of talking to me directly about what she wanted. Sarah said that her friends were just successful women who understood what it meant to have high standards, and that maybe I should be more motivated to improve our situation instead of being satisfied with where we were. She said that all of her friend's husbands had worked hard to get where they were and that maybe I needed to push myself more instead of just accepting that teaching was all I would ever do. That conversation went on for hours and it got more and more heated as we both said things that we couldn't take back. Sarah kept defending her friends and saying that they were just trying to encourage her to want more out of life, and I kept trying to
Starting point is 01:34:05 explain that they were actually encouraging her to want less of me. The next few weeks were tense and awkward as we both tried to pretend that everything was normal, but I could feel Sarah pulling away from me more and more. She started spending even more time with her friends and she would come home with stories about their husband's latest achievements and purchases, and she would tell these stories in a way that made it clear she was comparing their lives to ours. The Tuesday coffee club meetings continued and I started staying late at school or going to the gym to avoid being home when her friends came over, but sometimes I would come home while they were still
Starting point is 01:34:39 there and I would hear them talking about me in the kitchen or living room. They would make comments about how I seemed stressed or tired, and they would suggest that maybe Sarah needed to find ways to motivate me to be more successful. One evening in April I came home from a faculty meeting to find Sarah sitting at our kitchen table with a stack of real estate flyers and brochures for expensive cars and vacation destinations. She said that Linda had given her some information about different ways we could improve our lifestyle, and she wanted to talk about making some changes to our financial situation. I looked through the materials and realized that everything she was showing me required us to spend money we didn't have or take on debt that we couldn't afford on my teacher's
Starting point is 01:35:19 salary. Sarah said that maybe it was time for me to look into other career options that would pay better, or that maybe I could get a second job so we could start living more like her friends. I told her that I loved teaching and that I was good at it, and that I didn't want to leave a job where I felt like I was making a difference just so we could buy expensive things to impress her friends. I said that if she wanted more money then maybe she should look into getting a job herself instead of spending her days shopping and having coffee with women who spent their time making other people feel bad about their lives. Sarah got angry and said that her friend's husbands didn't expect their wives to work because they made enough money to support their families. she said that it wasn't fair for me to expect her to get a job when I was the one who couldn't provide the kind of lifestyle that successful couples had, and that maybe the problem was that I lacked ambition rather than that she had unrealistic expectations. That fight lasted until almost midnight,
Starting point is 01:36:13 and by the end of it we were both saying things that we knew would hurt the other person as much as possible. Sarah said that she was tired of feeling embarrassed when her friends talked about their lives because she had nothing comparable to share, and I said that I was tired of feeling like a disappointment in my own home because I couldn't compete with men who had completely different careers and priorities. The next morning we barely spoke to each other and I could tell that something fundamental had changed between us. Sarah seemed like she had made up her mind about something, and she started acting like she was just waiting for the right moment to say whatever she was thinking. That moment came the following Tuesday when I came home early from school because
Starting point is 01:36:51 one of my students had been in a car accident and I was too upset to finish teaching my afternoon classes. I walked into our house and found the coffee club in session as usual, but this time they stopped talking when they saw me come in and I could tell they had been discussing something serious. I said hello and started to go upstairs, but Rebecca called out and asked me to come back because they wanted to talk to me about something. I knew from the tone of her voice that whatever they wanted to say wasn't going to be good, but I came back to the living room and stood. near the doorway. Rebecca looked at the other women and then she looked at me and said that they had all been talking about Sarah's situation and that they were concerned about her happiness. She said
Starting point is 01:37:32 that Sarah was such a wonderful woman who deserved to have a partner who could match her intelligence and potential, and that they felt like she was being held back from reaching her full potential. Jessica jumped in and said that they had all noticed how unhappy Sarah seemed lately, and that it was obvious she was struggling with feeling unfulfilled in her marriage. She said that Sarah was too loyal and kind to say anything directly, but that it was clear to everyone who knew her that she needed more from a relationship than what she was currently getting. Maria then said that they had been encouraging Sarah to think seriously about what she wanted
Starting point is 01:38:05 out of life, and that maybe it was time for her to consider whether she was with the right person for her future goals and dreams. She said that sometimes people grew in different directions and that it was a lot of it wasn't anyone's fault, but that it was important to be honest about when a relationship wasn't working anymore. Linda nodded and said that Sarah was still young and beautiful and intelligent, and that she shouldn't waste her best years with someone who couldn't give her the kind of life she deserved. She said that Sarah's friends all wanted what was best for her, and that sometimes that meant making difficult decisions about relationships that weren't serving
Starting point is 01:38:39 both people involved. I looked at Sarah during this whole speech and she was sitting on our couch looking down at her hands, and she didn't say anything to defend me or tell her friends that they were out of line for talking to me like this in my own home. I waited for her to speak up and tell them to stop, but she just sat there silently while her friends told me that I wasn't good enough for my own wife. Finally I asked Sarah if this was how she felt too, and if she agreed with what her friends were saying about our marriage. She looked up at me and she said that she didn't know how to answer that question, but that she had been thinking a lot about whether we wanted the same things out of life. Rebecca then said that Sarah had been confiding in them about how
Starting point is 01:39:19 trapped she felt in a marriage where she couldn't grow or experience the things she wanted to experience. She said that Sarah was too nice to hurt my feelings by saying it directly, but that she had told them she sometimes felt like she had settled for less than what she really wanted when she married me. I felt like I had been punched and I looked at Sarah and asked her if she had really said those things to her friends. Sarah started crying and she said that she said that she had been confused and frustrated and that she had said some things she probably shouldn't have said, but that her feelings were complicated and she didn't know how to sort them out. Jessica then said that Sarah deserved to be with someone who was in her league intellectually,
Starting point is 01:39:57 and that it wasn't fair to either of us to stay in a marriage where one person felt like they were settling. She said that Sarah was an educated woman with so much potential, and that she needed a partner who could challenge her and provide opportunities for growth rather than someone who was content with a simple life. That phrase in her league hit me like a slap across the face, and I realized that this was what all of those months of comments and conversations had been building up to. Sarah's friends had convinced her that she was too good for me, and that I was holding her back from some better life that she deserved to have with a more successful man. I asked Sarah directly if she thought I was below her lead, and if that was really how she saw our marriage. The room went completely quiet and everyone was looking at Sarah waiting for her answer,
Starting point is 01:40:42 and I could see her struggling with what to say. Finally Sarah looked at me and said that she didn't think of it in terms of leagues, but that she did sometimes feel like we were at different places in our lives and that maybe we wanted different things for our future. She said that her friends had helped her realize that it was okay to want more out of life, and that maybe we had both changed since we got married in ways that made us less compatible. Rebecca nodded and said that it was nobody's fault when two people grew apart, but that it was important to be honest about when a relationship had run its course. She said that Sarah was young enough to start over and find someone who could give her the kind of life she really wanted, and that I deserved to be with someone who appreciated the kind of person I was instead of wishing I was different.
Starting point is 01:41:26 I stood there listening to these women discuss my marriage like it was some kind of business that wasn't working out, and I realized that Sarah had already made her decision. She had chosen her friend's opinions over our relationship, and she had let them convince her that I was some kind of burden or obstacle to her happiness. I told everyone in the room that I had heard enough, and that I didn't need to listen to a group of women tell me that I wasn't good enough for my own wife in my own living room. I said that if Sarah felt like she had settled for less than she deserved when she married me, then maybe we needed to have a serious conversation about what that meant for our future. Sarah's friends all looked at each other with satisfied expressions like they had a
Starting point is 01:42:05 accomplished what they came there to do, and Rebecca said that sometimes the truth was hard to hear, but that it was better to face reality than to live in denial. Jessica added that they were just trying to help Sarah figure out what would make her truly happy, and Maria said that they all cared about Sarah too much to watch her waste her life being unfulfilled. I looked at Sarah one more time and asked her if she wanted me to leave so she could continue discussing our marriage with her friends, or if she wanted her friends to leave so we could talk privately about what was happening between us. Sarah looked back and forth between me and her friends,
Starting point is 01:42:39 and then she said that maybe it would be better if I gave her some time to think about everything. That was the moment I knew our marriage was over, because she had chosen to ask me to leave instead of asking her friends to mind their own business. I went upstairs and packed a bag with enough clothes for a few days, and I could hear the women downstairs talking in low voices about what had just happened. When I came back downstairs with my bag, Sarah was standing in the hallway looking confused and upset. I told her that I was going to stay at my brother's house for a while so she could have all the time she needed to think about what she wanted, and that when she was ready to talk we could figure out what came next. Sarah started to say something, but I held up my hand and told her that I didn't want to hear any more about how I wasn't good enough for how she felt trapped in our marriage.
Starting point is 01:43:25 I said that if she really believed what her friends had been telling her, then we both deserved better. than trying to make a relationship work when one person thought the other person was beneath them. I walked past the living room where her friends were still sitting and I could see them watching everything that was happening with interest, like they were enjoying the drama they had created. Rebecca called out and said that she hoped I understood they were just trying to help, and I stopped and turned around and told her that destroying someone's marriage wasn't helping anyone. I told all of them that they had spent months coming into my home and making me feel unwelcome and inadequate, and that they had turned my wife against me by convincing her that she deserved better than
Starting point is 01:44:03 what we had built together. I said that they were the kind of people who couldn't be happy unless they were making other people feel bad about their lives, and that I felt sorry for their husbands who had to live with women who were never satisfied with what they had. Linda started to say something back, but I was already walking toward the door, and I told them that they had gotten what they wanted and that they could all pat themselves on the back by breaking up a marriage. I said that I hoped Sarah's new life with someone more worthy of her would make them all feel better about their own problems. I left the house and drove to my brother Tom's apartment, and I spent the next three days trying to process what had happened and figure out what I
Starting point is 01:44:40 wanted to do next. Tom was angry when I told him the whole story, and he said that Sarah's friend sounded like toxic people who enjoyed creating drama in other people's lives. Tom said that he had never liked the way Sarah changed after she started hanging around with those women, and that he had noticed at family gatherings how she seemed embarrassed by our modest lifestyle compared to her friend's situations. He said that a good wife would have defended her husband instead of letting her friends attack him, and that Sarah had shown her true character by choosing their opinions over our marriage. I called Sarah several times during those three days, but she didn't answer her phone, and when I finally reached her, she said that she needed more
Starting point is 01:45:20 time to think and that she wasn't ready to talk yet. I asked her if her friends were still coming over and giving her advice about our marriage, and she got defensive and said that she needed to talk to people who cared about her happiness. That conversation made it clear to me that Sarah wasn't planning to fight for our marriage or tell her friends to stay out of our business, and that she was going to let them continue influencing her decisions about our future. I realized that even if we worked things out temporarily, this same situation would keep happening as long as she valued her friend's opinions more than our relationship. I spent the next week thinking about all the good time Sarah and I had shared during our
Starting point is 01:45:57 eight years together and trying to figure out if there was any way to save our marriage. I thought about the woman I had fallen in love with in college who had supported my dreams of becoming a teacher, and I wondered when she had started seeing my career as something to be ashamed of instead of something to be proud of. But every time I consider trying to work things out, I remembered the way Sarah had sat silently while her friends told me I wasn't good enough for her, and the way she had asked me to leave instead of asking them to leave. I realized that the woman I had married was gone, and that the person she had become with her friend's influence wasn't someone I could build a life with. I made an appointment with a divorce lawyer who had been recommended by a colleague at school, and I spent two hours telling him everything that had happened over the past several months.
Starting point is 01:46:41 The lawyer said that what I was describing sounded like emotional abuse, and that Sarah's friends had essentially conducted a campaign to, to undermine my marriage and my self-esteem. He explained that while we didn't have children or significant assets to divide, I would still need to go through the legal process of filing for divorce and serving Sarah with papers. He said that based on what I had told him, it sounded like Sarah might not contest the divorce since she had already expressed that she felt unfulfilled in our marriage. I signed the papers that afternoon and the lawyer said he would have them served to Sarah within the next few days. When Sarah received the divorce papers, she called me immediately and she was crying and asking why I hadn't tried to work things out before
Starting point is 01:47:23 taking such a drastic step. I told her that she had made it clear where she stood when she chose to discuss our marriage problems with her friends instead of with me, and when she had agreed with them that I wasn't good enough for her. Sarah said that she had never meant for things to go so far and that she had just been confused about what she wanted, but I told her that the damage was already done. I said that I couldn't be married to someone who saw me as a settling for less than she deserved, and that I couldn't live in a house where I was constantly made to feel inadequate by her friends. She asked if we could go to counseling or try to work things out, but I told her that the problems in our marriage weren't the kind that counseling could fix.
Starting point is 01:48:01 I said that the issue wasn't communication or misunderstandings, but that she had fundamentally lost respect for me and had allowed other people to convince her that our life together wasn't good enough. Sarah then said that her friends had been trying to help her figure out why she was feeling unhappy, and that maybe they had given her bad advice, but that didn't mean our marriage had to end. I told her that good friends would have encouraged her to talk to her husband about her feelings instead of encouraging her to think about what her life would be like with someone else. I explained that her friends had spent months making me feel unwelcome in my own home and undermining our relationship, and that she had participated that process instead of stopping it.
Starting point is 01:48:41 I said that a marriage couldn't survive when one person allowed outsiders to attack and belittle their spouse, and that I deserved better than what our relationship had become. The divorce process took about eight months to complete because we had to divide our shared assets and figure out what to do with our house. Sarah ended up buying out my half of the house with money her parents lent her, and I used my portion of the equity to put a down payment on a small condo closer to the school where I taught. During those eight months I had very little contact with Sarah except through our lawyers, but I heard for mutual friends that she was still spending time with her coffee club friends and that they were helping her through the divorce process.
Starting point is 01:49:20 Some of these friends told me that Sarah seemed relieved that the marriage was ending, which confirmed that I had made the right decision. I also heard that Rebecca had made comments about how Sarah was better off without someone who couldn't appreciate her worth, and that Jessica had said Sarah would have no trouble finding someone more suitable once she was ready to date again. These comments didn't surprise me because I knew that Sarah's friends were probably congratulating themselves on successfully breaking up our marriage. I moved into my new condo and started rebuilding my life as a single person, and I was surprised by how much happier I felt once I was away from the constant negativity and judgment that had taken over my marriage. I realized that
Starting point is 01:49:59 I had spent months walking on eggshells and trying to prove my worth to people who had already decided I wasn't good enough, and that it felt good to be in a space where I could just be myself. About 12 months after our divorce was final, I ran into Maria at the grocery store and she acted like we were old friends who hadn't seen each other in a while. She asked how I was doing and said that she hoped there were no hard feelings about everything that had happened, and she seemed genuinely surprised when I didn't respond with enthusiasm. I told Maria that I held her and her friends responsible for destroying my marriage, and that I thought they were manipulative people who enjoyed creating problems in other people's lives. She got defensive and said that they had only
Starting point is 01:50:40 been trying to help Sarah figure out what would make her happy, and that it wasn't their fault if our marriage had problems. I said that our marriage had normal problems that couples worked through together, but that her group had turned those problems into reasons why Sarah should leave me for someone better. I told her that they had spent months making me feel unwelcome in my own home and my wife that she had settled for less than she deserved, and that their behavior had been cruel and destructive. Maria said that Sarah had been the one who came to them with complaints about our marriage, and that they had just listened and offered support like good friends should do. I told her that good friends would have encouraged Sarah to communicate with her husband
Starting point is 01:51:18 and work on their problems together, not encouraged her to think about what her life would be like with someone else. That conversation ended with Maria walking away in a huff, and I felt good about finally telling one of those women exactly what I thought of their behavior. I knew that they probably all got together later and talked about what a bitter person I was, but I didn't care because I was done trying to win their approval or prove that I was good enough. About a year after our divorce I heard through mutual friends that Sarah had started dating someone new, and that her friends were very excited about him because he was a successful businessman who could give her the kind of lifestyle they thought she deserved. I felt a little sad when I heard this news,
Starting point is 01:51:58 I also heard that Sarah's new boyfriend didn't particularly like her friends and that he thought they were too involved in her personal life, which made me smile because I knew that Sarah would eventually have to choose between keeping her friends happy and keeping her new relationship healthy. I hoped for her sake that she would make a better choice the second time around. In the end, Sarah's friends were right about one thing, we weren't in the same league. But they were wrong about which one of us was settling for less than we deserved. I hope you enjoy this story. Former spouse departed, leaving me solo with our infant without any remnants. Half a decade later,
Starting point is 01:52:36 she desires to reunite with our offspring as her recent beau discovered she has a progeny. From the time I was young, my biggest dream was always to have a happy family of my own and to become a father one day. I know that for some people, this might sound cliche or perhaps even a bit old-fashioned, but for me, it was something deeply rooted.
Starting point is 01:52:56 in my heart. Growing up, I was fortunate enough to be raised by two incredible parents who had a relationship that I can only describe as truly special. My parents' relationship was a beacon of love and stability, something I admired and aspired to emulate. They met in high school, and even from those early days, it was clear to everyone that they were meant for each other. As a child, I noticed how they always treated each other with a deep sense of respect and kindness, no matter the situation. They weren't just married, they were best friends who shared a bond that was evident in everything they did. Seeing this day in and day out made me want that for myself. I didn't just want to just get married to anybody one day, I wanted to find my own best friend,
Starting point is 01:53:42 someone with whom I could build a life full of love, laughter, and mutual respect. And more than anything, I longed to be a father, to have children who would grow up in the same kind of loving environment that I did. Because of my strong desire to have a meaningful and lasting relationship, I was always very careful and selective when it came to dating. I wasn't the kind of person who would jump into casual relationships just for the sake of it. I knew what I wanted, and I was determined to find someone who shared the same values and goals for the future. In high school, I did have a girlfriend, and I truly believed that she could be the one. I put my heart into that relationship, doing everything I could to make it work. But alas, the relationship did not
Starting point is 01:54:27 work out. I guess, sometimes, people can grow in different directions, and that's exactly what happened with us. We simply grew apart, and eventually, we had to accept that we weren't meant to be together. When I went to college, I wasn't really expecting to meet anyone special. I had decided to focus on my studies and personal growth, figuring that if the right person came along, it would happen naturally. I wasn't in any rush, and I certainly wasn't actively seeking out a relationship. But as life often has a way of surprising us, out of nowhere, Bonnie walked into my life. Bonnie was unlike anyone I had ever met before. She is the kind of girl who would immediately catch everyone's attention the moment she enters a room.
Starting point is 01:55:12 There was always something about her that was simply magnetic. She had this incredible energy she was free-spirited, and full of life, and her happiness was contagious. It wasn't just her looks, though she was undeniably beautiful, it was her personality that truly made her stand out. She had a way of making everyone around her feel alive, and people couldn't help but be drawn to her. Because of this, I never thought anything would happen between us since she and I were so different. Bonnie seemed so out of reach, like someone who belonged to a different world.
Starting point is 01:55:47 I was content to just be her friend, enjoying the times we spent together in our group of friends without expecting anything more. But then, after several months of just being friends, Bonnie called me one afternoon and confessed that she had a crush on me and that she wanted to go out on a date. I will admit it took me a moment to process what she was saying because it was so far from anything I had imagined. Bonnie, the girl who could have had anyone she wanted, had feelings for someone like me. It was a moment that completely changed the course of my life. Of course, our first date went really well, and I remember being on Cloud 9 afterward. We kept going on more and more dates, and eventually, Bonnie became my girlfriend. In the beginning, as with most new relationships, I saw Bonnie through rose-colored glasses.
Starting point is 01:56:37 Everything she did seemed perfect to me. I was so infatuated with her that I couldn't see any flaws, or if I did, I brushed them off as insignificant. But as time went on and we got to know each other more deeply, I began to notice a few things that gave me pause what you might call red flags. They weren't necessarily deal-breakers, but they were traits that made me uncomfortable and caused me to question certain aspects of our relationship. One of the first things I noticed was that Bonnie had a tendency to look down on anyone who disagreed with her, whether or not that she was, whether or she was that Bonnie had a tendency to look down on anyone who disagreed with her, whether they were right or wrong. She was very confident in her opinions, which wasn't a bad thing, but she took it to an extreme. If someone had a different perspective and chose to voice it, Bonnie would immediately get defensive. Instead of engaging in a healthy discussion,
Starting point is 01:57:26 she would start calling them out, often labeling them as stupid or ignorant. This trait made social situations with her quite tense at times. I still remember so many of my friends getting uncomfortable with the way Bonnie behaved towards them. Another thing that became increasingly apparent was her mood swings. Bonnie's moods could change in the blink of an eye, and these shifts were often extreme. There were days when she was full of energy, ready to take on the world. She would ask me to skip classes and go out partying with her, sometimes with people we barely knew.
Starting point is 01:58:02 During these parties, she would do things that were, frankly, outrageous things that left me feeling uneasy. But then, out of nowhere, her mood would shift completely. She would become withdrawn and distant, and ask me to take her back home. She would then lock herself in her room for days without any explanation. These emotional ups and downs were hard for me to navigate. Bonnie's temper was another issue that became more evident as time went on. She could go from being calm to incredibly angry in a matter of seconds. When she got angry, it was intense her anger would escalate quickly, and she would sometimes lash out physically. I remember times when she would punch her fist into a wall or kick a trash bin in frustration. On a few occasions,
Starting point is 01:58:49 she came dangerously close to hurting someone. These outbursts were frightening, and they made me realize that there was a side to Bonnie that I hadn't seen when we first started dating. As much as I cared for Bonnie, these red flags were becoming harder to ignore as we continued to date. I found myself torn between the girl I had fallen for and the reality of the person she was showing herself to be. The incident that finally pushed me to confront Bonnie about everything wrong with our relationship happened due to an incident at a movie theater. You see, my guy friend had invited both Bonnie and me to watch a movie with him and his girlfriend. I thought it would be a nice double date, so I asked Bonnie if she wanted to join us. To my surprise, she immediately refused, saying she didn't like my friend's girlfriend.
Starting point is 01:59:38 When I pressed her for a reason, she couldn't give me anything concrete, just that she didn't like the girl. This wasn't unusual for Bonnie, she often got into feuds with people without any legitimate reason, and she never really explained her dislikes. So, I didn't take her refusal too seriously. I told her that I was going to watch the movie anyway, and she was welcome to come if she changed her mind. What happened next was something I never saw coming. Imagine my surprise when, Bonnie walked into the theater looking for me. At first, I thought she might have changed her mind and decided to join us. But then, out of nowhere, she came up to me and started screaming at me in front of everyone. She accused me of sleeping with my friend's girlfriend,
Starting point is 02:00:24 claiming that was the real reason why I had insisted on coming to the movie with him and his girlfriend even though she did not want to go. She also claimed that clearly I preferred other girls over her and this was why she had come here to confront me. I was completely blindsided. Her outburst was so loud and aggressive that the entire theater turned to look at us. My guy friend and his girlfriend were understandably shocked and offended. They tried to defend themselves and me, but Bonnie wasn't having any of it. She loudly told them to stay out of it, insisting that this was between her and me. The situation quickly escalated, and I could feel the eyes of everyone in the theater on us. It was incredibly embarrassing. I didn't know what to do, so I just got up
Starting point is 02:01:11 and walked out of the theater, leaving the movie unfinished. Bonnie followed me all the way to my car, still yelling at me calling me a cheater, and refusing to let it go. Up until that point, I hadn't said a word. I had let her vent, hoping she would eventually calm down and then I could explain myself. But as I watched her continue to scream at me, something inside me snapped. I had reached my limit. I turned to her and, for the first time, I yelled back. I told her that I was done with her, that she had crossed a line this time,
Starting point is 02:01:45 and that I didn't want to be with someone who treated me this way. I remember telling her, with all the frustration and hurt that had built up over the months, that I couldn't be with an abuser like her. The words came out with more force than I had intended, but they were the truth. I realized that Bonnie had been emotionally abusive throughout our relationship, and I had ignored the warning signs for too long. Her outburst in the theater was the final straw, the moment when I realized that I couldn't keep making excuses for her behavior.
Starting point is 02:02:15 I knew I deserved better than this. I went on to tell her exactly how embarrassed and hurt I was by her accusation. I couldn't believe that she would even suspect, let alone publicly accuse me, of something so outrageous sleeping with my own buddy's girlfriend. It felt like a deep betrayal of trust, and I told her in no uncertain terms that she had no right to come into that theater and accuse me like that in front of everyone without talking to me first. As I spoke, I could see the realization dawn on her face. Bonnie's eyes widened, and I watched as she started to backtrack, trying to take back
Starting point is 02:02:52 what she had said. Her voice softened, and she began to apologize, but by then, the damage was done. I shook my head, feeling a mix of disappointment and frustration. I told her to get out of my car, that I didn't want to drive her home. I needed space to clear my head and to distance myself from the case. that had just unfolded. But as soon as those words left my mouth, Bonnie broke down completely. She burst into tears, her whole body shaking with the intensity of her sobs. For a moment, my anger wavered. Watching her fall apart like that, I couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy.
Starting point is 02:03:32 This was someone I had cared about deeply, and seeing her in such distress triggered an instinct to comfort her. As she cried, Bonnie kept apologizing over and over and over. saying she didn't want to lose me. She started talking about how her brain sometimes gets all jumbled up, and how she doesn't always know how to control her thoughts or emotions. Her voice was filled with desperation, and it was clear that she was terrified of losing me. Confused by what she was saying, I asked her to explain what she meant. But instead of giving me a clear answer, Bonnie kept repeating that if she told me the truth, I would leave her. She talked about how she felt like she had to keep her other self-hidden, and that made me even more confused. I didn't know
Starting point is 02:04:16 what to make of it, but I knew we couldn't keep going in circles. I told her she had no other choice either. She told me the truth and let me decide if I wanted to stay with her, or she walked out of my car and we would end things right then and there. It was a difficult ultimatum, but I needed to understand what was really going on. After a few moments of hesitation, Bonnie, still weeping, finally confessed something that took me by surprise. She told me that she had bipolar disorder, something her mother also suffered from. She had apparently been hiding this information from everyone as she was ashamed of it and wished she was just normal. Hearing this, I was taken aback. I definitely didn't expect her to have BPD, but also at that moment,
Starting point is 02:05:00 so much of her behavior started to make more sense. The extreme mood swings, the outbursts, the unpredictability it all seemed to align with what I knew about bipolar disorder. Bonnie went on to explain that whenever she stopped taking her medication, her mind would fog up, and she would start behaving irrationally. She said that wasn't who she truly was, and that she hated how her disorder made her act. I asked her why she would stop taking her meds if she knew it made her worse, and Bonnie told me, with tears streaming down her face, that she just wanted to live her life like everyone else and she hated the fact that she couldn't. She would get tired of feeling sick, tired of the side effects, tired of the constant reminder that she had to depend on medication
Starting point is 02:05:45 just to function. Her words were filled with pain and frustration, and as I looked into her eyes, I could see how much she was struggling. It broke my heart a little to see her like this, to realize how much she had been silently battling. At that moment, I felt a mix of emotion, sympathy, sadness, and a deep sense of conflict. On one hand, I now understood that her behavior wasn't entirely within her control, that it was part of a larger struggle she was dealing with. But on the other hand, I couldn't ignore how her actions had affected me, how difficult it had been to be on the receiving end of her outbursts and erratic behavior. Although I was also young, I already knew that loving someone with a mental health condition
Starting point is 02:06:28 like bipolar disorder required a lot of understanding, patience, and commitment, and I wasn't sure if I was ready for that. However, I realized that I loved Bonnie and couldn't just walk away without at least trying to make things work. Despite everything, there was a deep connection between us, and I didn't want to throw it away without giving her and us a chance to improve. So, we sat down and had a serious discussion about what needed to change for our relationship to continue. I told her that the only way we could move forward was if she committed to seeing a therapist who specialized in bipolar disorder, so she could learn to better manage her emotions and behavior. I also emphasized that she needed to take her medication consistently, without any more lapses. The conversation wasn't easy,
Starting point is 02:07:15 it was emotional and raw. Bonnie could see how serious I was, and I could tell she was scared of losing me. But to her credit, she understood where I was coming from and promised to do whatever it took to get better for us. I made it clear that this was her last chance. Over the next few months, Bonnie kept her word. She began seeing a therapist who helped her navigate the complexities of living with bipolar disorder. She also made sure to take her medication consistently, recognizing that it was essential for her well-being and for our relationship. It wasn't a smooth or easy journey by any means, there were still tough days for us, but gradually, Bonnie started to learn how to manage her feelings more effectively and to be kinder to herself. As Bonnie made progress in therapy and
Starting point is 02:08:04 began to stabilize emotionally, our relationship improved significantly. There were things she had always held back before, but now, she started to let me in. The more she opened up, the closer we became, and our relationship got deeper and more meaningful. When we graduated college, it felt like the natural next step for Bonnie and me to move in together. We were committed to each other and knew that this was what we wanted for our future. We both had our own successful careers, and we managed to create a balanced life together. We were diligent about saving and investing our money, with the goal of eventually buying our own house and getting married. It felt like life was on track, we were building something solid and meaningful together. Then, one day, Bonnie discovered
Starting point is 02:08:51 that she was pregnant. This news took me by surprise. I hadn't really thought about becoming a father just yet, but after taking some time to process the news, I found myself feeling okay with it. We were both earning well, and I knew we could afford to take care of a baby. More than that, I started to embrace the idea of starting a family with Bonnie. It felt like another step forward in our journey together. But Bonnie didn't feel the same way. She would be. She would be a little bit of was deeply conflicted about the pregnancy. She even broke down in front of me and confessed that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy. As much as I was excited about the idea of having a child, I believed that it was ultimately up to her to decide what to do with her body.
Starting point is 02:09:37 I was upset, of course I had already started to picture our future with a baby but I knew I had to support Bonnie, no matter how much it hurt. I told her that I would stand by her decision, whatever it was. We scheduled an appointment at a clinic for the procedure, and I tried to be as supportive as possible, even though I was hurting inside. However, when the day of the appointment arrived, Bonnie decided not to go at the last minute. She was overwhelmed with guilt and confusion. She told me that the thought of getting rid of the baby was too much for her to bear. I did my best to console her, holding her as she cried and reassuring her that if she decided to have the baby, I would do everything in my power to be the best father I could be.
Starting point is 02:10:20 I promised to be an equal partner in parenting, to share the responsibilities, and to ensure that she didn't feel burdened by it. In the end, she agreed to go through with the pregnancy. Bonnie's pregnancy journey was anything but easy. She was overwhelmed with fear and anxiety, constantly worried about losing our baby because of her BPD. This is why she stopped taking her medications as she believed it could affect the baby. As a result, her mood swings became more intense during her pregnancy, her anger flared up frequently, and she was generally very difficult to live with during that time. There were days when it felt like we were back to square one, dealing with the same challenges we had faced before she started therapy. But I had made a
Starting point is 02:11:05 promise to her that I would never leave, and I was determined to stick by those words, no matter how tough things got. During the fourth month of her pregnancy, Bonnie confided in me about the nightmares she was having frequently. She was terrified that I would leave her to raise our baby alone, especially since we weren't legally tied together by marriage. Hearing this broke my heart because it was the farthest thing from the truth. To ease her fears, I immediately went out and bought a ring. I proposed to Bonnie that very week, letting her know that I was all in, that I was here to stay. Our wedding happened quite quickly after that, but it was a beautiful, intimate ceremony. Both sides of our family were present and were thrilled for us.
Starting point is 02:11:50 The day our daughter, Mary, was born, I was right there in the delivery room, standing beside Bonnie as she brought our little girl into the world. The moment Mary was born, the nurse handed her to me, and I couldn't hold back my tears. I looked at her tiny fingers and delicate little legs, and I was struck by how absolutely precious she was. Mary's birth brought a new sense of purpose into my life. It wasn't just about Bonnie and me anymore, it was about our little family. I was committed to making it work devotedly. However, after we brought Mary home, I noticed a shift in Bonnie that I couldn't ignore. She seemed very distant and disconnected from our daughter.
Starting point is 02:12:31 She never wanted to touch the baby and would only hold Mary when it was absolutely necessary, like during breastfeeding. Even then, it was clear she was doing it out of obligation rather than affection. I tried to be understanding I knew that childbirth and the early days of motherhood could be overwhelming. I wanted to give Bonnie the space to rest and recover, so I took on as much of the household responsibilities as I could. I cooked her favorite meals, encouraged her to sleep in, and made sure she didn't have to lift a finger around the house. I was more than happy to care for our daughter, but it was impossible to ignore Bonnie's growing irritation and coldness. Whenever Mary cried, Bonnie would glare at her with a look that I could only describe as resentment.
Starting point is 02:13:16 I began to worry that she might be experiencing postpartum depression, a condition I'd heard about but didn't fully understand. I gently suggested that she talked to a therapist about how she was feeling, hoping that professional help could make a difference. But Bonnie would snap at me, telling me to mind my own business, and shut down any further conversation on the topic. Then, one morning, about a month after Mary was born, I woke up to find Bonnie gone. Her side of the bed was empty, she was nowhere to be found in the house. At first, I tried not to panic, thinking she might have gone out to clear her head or grab a coffee.
Starting point is 02:13:55 But as the hours passed and her phone remained switched off, my anxiety grew. I called her parents and friends, hoping she had decided to visit one of them, but no one had seen or heard from her. A sinking feeling settled in my stomach. Something was very wrong. Desperate for answers, I searched through our bedroom, trying to find any clue as to where she might have gone. As I rummaged through her drawer, I came across a diary tucked away in the corner. I hesitated, knowing it was a violation of her privacy to go through the diary, but curiosity got the of me. I flipped through the pages and discovered that Bonnie had been writing secretly about her daily struggles, anger, and fear. I guess this was probably what her therapist had asked her to do,
Starting point is 02:14:42 but as I was about to close the diary and put it back, my eyes accidentally landed on a page that stopped me cold. There, written in Bonnie's handwriting, were the words, I wish I could kill Mary. I froze, unable to process what I had just read. My hands shook as I reread the sentence, hoping I had misunderstood. But deep down, I knew what those words meant. My wife was clearly struggling far more than she had let on, and she had reached a point where she saw our innocent daughter as a threat, or worse, as something she needed to get rid of. I felt a mixture of fear, sorrow, and a deep sense of urgency. I called the police and reported Bonnie as missing, explaining the situation and the alarming diary entry. Then, I reached out to our
Starting point is 02:15:30 families, alerting them to what was happening. Her parents were understandably distressed and deeply concerned about their daughter. Eventually, the police located Bonnie at a motel. She admitted that she had fled home to prevent herself from harming Mary. Her parents took her in and sought immediate professional help to address her mental health issues. Over the weeks, Bonnie confided in them that she wanted a divorce from me because she felt she couldn't handle being married or living with a baby. This news left me heartbroken. I attempted to communicate with her, hoping to understand her perspective and find a way to resolve our issues, but Bonnie had already made up her mind. Her parents also supported her decision so in the end, I moved forward with the divorce and took full custody of our daughter.
Starting point is 02:16:18 This all happened five years ago, and since then, I've been raising my daughter, Mary, as a single father and we have come a long way. I've never brought up Bonnie to my daughter, feeling that she's still too young to understand, and fortunately, Mary hasn't asked many questions about her mother yet. However, today I am on Reddit because this week, out of the blue, Bonnie reached out to me. Since the divorce, my ex-wife hadn't attempted to contact me at all, and I had also respected her privacy. Over the years, I had in fact changed my number and moved to a new place to start fresh with Mary. Given all this, I was quite surprised to receive her call. To sum it up, Bonnie said she's in a
Starting point is 02:17:02 much better place in her life and is now ready to meet Mary. I was taken aback by her words and reminded her of how she had been the one to walk away from us so she couldn't just waltz back into our lives. Firmly, I told her I wasn't interested in reintroducing any drama into my daughter's life and wanted to protect her from potential instability. Hence, I wasn't going to allow her to meet my daughter until she was at least old enough to decide for herself. However, Bonnie argued that this was not fair and I should give her a chance. I reminded her how she never gave us a chance and left me high and dry with a one-month-old baby to take care of, all by myself.
Starting point is 02:17:41 Bonnie then pressed me, saying that she was dating someone new who had apparently discovered that she had a daughter. She implied that it would reflect poorly on her if she didn't make an effort to reconnect with us. Bonnie proposed that we meet just once. at least to discuss the future and see where things could go from there. I was pissed hearing this and told her that I did not care what her boyfriend thought of her and that me and my daughter were not her toys to play around with. Despite her continued, please, I stood my ground and asked her not to reach out again. Since then, I've been feeling a bit guilty.
Starting point is 02:18:15 Hence, I differ not letting Bonnie into our lives again. Update 1. Thank you everyone for your responses. I am glad that a majority of you agree that I should not let my ex-wife anywhere near my daughter. I definitely made the right call. I also plan on finding out who shared my number with Bonnie since this was a breach of trust. Update 2. So, I finally found out that it was my own mother who had shared my number with Bonnie behind my back. When I asked her about this, she confessed immediately that she had stayed in touch with Bonnie over the years. She said she had always felt sorry for her and believed that Bonnie and I were endgame.
Starting point is 02:18:55 That's why she had shared my number, thinking it might lead to a reconciliation between Bonnie and me. I was furious when I heard this. I told my mother how delusional her thinking was. I reminded her of the countless nights I had spent alone, struggling to take care of my daughter without any support. I made it clear that Bonnie's BPD and her mood swings had severely impacted our lives. I told her how I had no intention of reintroducing chaos into my daughter's life. My mother did apologize, but I told her that if she ever gave Bonnie any more of our information, I would cut her out of my life and, by extension, my daughter's life as well.
Starting point is 02:19:36 My father was also upset with my mother and fully supported my decision. Update 3, for everyone asking, me and Mary are doing okay. Bonnie tried reaching out a few more times after our last conversation, but I didn't answer her calls or listen to her voicemails. I've since blocked her number and am focusing on continuing our lives as we have been. I'm determined to maintain the stability and peace we've worked so hard to build for Mary and myself. I hope you enjoy this story. Guardians compelled me to supervise my sister's trio of offspring while she celebrated. Subsequently, they insisted that I procure a resident.
Starting point is 02:20:15 for her due to their depleted retirement savings from her upkeep, which I declined. They threatened to sue me. My sister, Lily, and I share the same parents, but our upbringing and how we were treated couldn't have been more different. While Lily was the child they planned for and wanted, I was what they called the oops kid. My arrival into the world was an accident. My parents had decided that they only wanted one child, and after Lily, they were certain their family was complete. Then, unexpectedly, my mom got pregnant with me. They didn't want another child, but at the same time, they didn't believe in ending the pregnancy. They were also worried about how their families and community might judge
Starting point is 02:20:56 them if word got out that they didn't want to keep their baby. So, in the end, they chose to have me not out of love or a desire to expand their family, but because they felt pressured by their beliefs and the opinions of others. From as far back as I can remember, I've always felt like I didn't belong. My sister, Lily, was the center of their world, while I existed like a shadow. They never missed an opportunity to remind me that my birth wasn't part of their plan. They would say outright that I wasn't welcomed or wanted in the family, and their actions reflected those words. They ignored me most of the time and rarely showed me any affection. The only thing they ever seemed to appreciate about me was the fact that I was a boy.
Starting point is 02:21:38 My dad would often tell me that at least, as a son, I could prove useful someday. He made it clear that when I grew up, my role in their lives would be to take on their financial burdens or help out my sister in some way. Both my mom and dad drilled this idea into my head over and over. They would keep reminding me that since I was never meant to be part of their lives, the least I could do was to work hard, earn good money, and make myself useful to them. They saw me not as a child to nurture, but as someone who should repay the inconvenience of my existence by being their backup plan and provider one day. That's how my life went for the first 18 years. While my sister, Lily, was treated like a princess who could do no wrong, I was treated as if I didn't matter. She was the golden child, the one who got everything she wanted, while I was
Starting point is 02:22:26 the forgotten one. On her birthdays, my parents threw her extravagant parties, complete with balloons, and crowds of friends. Meanwhile, my birthdays often passed without any acknowledgement. If they did remember, it was usually an afterthought. While Lily received new phones or even a car when she turned 16, I might get a gift card if I was lucky. The difference in how we were treated was glaringly obvious to everyone. I bottled up a lot of resentment because of this blatant favoritism. I couldn't express how I felt, so instead, I poured all my energy into my studies. It was the only way I could get a shred of approval from my parents. If I aced an exam or brought home good grades, I could at least enjoy one brief moment of them
Starting point is 02:23:13 being proud of me. That feeling, as fleeting as it was, became my motivation. Lily, on the other hand, didn't have the same pressure. She wasn't particularly bright academically, but my parents never encouraged her to push herself or try harder. They let her coast through life with little to no expectations. When it was time for Lily to go to college, my parents made an announcement that they had set aside a college fund for her.
Starting point is 02:23:40 They didn't want her to worry about loans or working part-time while studying. It hurt to know that they had planned for her future so carefully when I doubted they had even considered mine. What made it worse was how she handled this gift. Instead of using the money wisely to earn a degree, Lily dropped out of college after just three months. She told our parents that college wasn't for her and that she was destined to be a stay-at-home wife and mother so she wanted to find herself a well-paying man. Rather than challenging her decision or trying to guide her, my parents simply let her do what she wanted. Instead of holding
Starting point is 02:24:14 her accountable, they enabled her choices. Lily then used the rest of her college fund to travel around Europe, indulging in a carefree lifestyle. She was basically partying all the time and this is how less than a year after leaving college, Lily got pregnant. That's right, my sister got pregnant after a one-night stand with a complete stranger. The guy disappeared without a trace, and she had no way to contact him. With nowhere else to turn, Lily came back home. You'd think anyone in that situation would consider ending the pregnancy, especially since the father was out of the picture, and she had no job, no savings, and no plans for the future. But not Lily. Instead, she embraced the situation as if it were some kind of blessing.
Starting point is 02:25:00 She told us she was glad to be pregnant and insisted that even though she couldn't fulfill her dream of being someone's wife first, becoming a mother was God's plan for her. What shocked me even more was how my parents reacted. Without any hesitation or serious discussion, they agreed to take on the responsibility of supporting Lily and her future child. To them, the idea of becoming grandparents overshadowed everything else. They were thrilled at the prospect, as if this unexpected pregnancy was a source of pride instead of a consequence of irresponsibility. It didn't matter that Lily was unprepared or that the circumstances were far from ideal. All that mattered was the label of grandparents and the chance to present a picture-perfect image to the world. But, of course, appearances had to be managed. My parents and Lily quickly
Starting point is 02:25:47 came up with an elaborate story to explain her unexpected pregnancy. They decided to tell everyone that Lily had met a wonderful, rich guy while traveling in Europe, and how both of them fell in love before she got pregnant. They figured this would at least save Lily from the judgment and stigma that might come from admitting the truth a one-night stand with someone she barely knew. My parents were more concerned about protecting her reputation than confronting the reality of her choices. As for me, I was expected to play along with their fabricated story. They wanted me to back them up if anyone asked questions or expressed doubt about their story. I didn't have much of a choice, so I kept my mouth shut and went along with it.
Starting point is 02:26:28 Deep down, though, I resented how easily they brushed everything under the rug for her sake. Lily could do no wrong, even when her actions had serious consequences, while I was constantly told to be responsible and useful. When Lily gave birth, she had twins. Now, I'm not a parent, but I can tell you this, if one baby is overwhelming, two are even harder to handle. It's chaos time, too. To make matters worse, Lily didn't seem to take her responsibilities seriously. She did absolutely nothing to care for her babies. Instead, my parents picked up all the slack. They fed the twins, changed them, bathed them, and rocked them to sleep. It was as if the kids weren't even hers but theirs. And as if that wasn't enough, all three of them Lily and my parents
Starting point is 02:27:18 expected me to pitch in whenever it was convenient for them. At the time, I was in my last year of high school, focused on preparing for college. My plans didn't involve sticking around at home any longer than necessary. I was determined to get out of there so I was just trying to keep my head down and work hard at school but obviously to my sister, I was a free babysitter. I can't count the number of times they forced me to take care of her kids when I was a minor myself. She and my parents would constantly go out for dinner, see a movie, or just get some air, and without asking me, they'd dump the twins on me. I was a minor myself and had zero experience with babies, but that didn't seem to matter to them.
Starting point is 02:27:59 They didn't care if I had homework, deadlines, or any plans of my own. Their expectation was clear, I had to help, whether I liked it or not. The worst part was at night. Sometimes, the twins would cry endlessly, keeping Lily awake. Instead of stepping up as their mother, she'd get frustrated, march into my room in the middle of the night, and hand me her babies. I need to sleep, she'd say, and off she'd go to her room without a second thought. I'd be left holding two crying infants, trying to figure out what to do while running on exhaustion myself. It felt like I was constantly treated like a servant, someone
Starting point is 02:28:38 who existed only to make their lives easier. I had no life of my own. Between babysitting, dealing with the constant demands of my parents and sister, and trying to keep up with my schoolwork, I was drowning. My only hope, the one thing that kept me going, was the thought of getting into college and leaving it all behind. Thankfully, when the time came, I was accepted into a great university. It felt like a light at the end of a very dark tunnel. For a moment, I thought maybe my parents would be proud of me or support me the way they had supported Lily. I even dared to hope they might have set aside some sort of college fund for me, just like they had done for her. But of course, When I asked them about it, their response crushed me.
Starting point is 02:29:24 My parents flatly told me I was on my own. They explained that they had never planned or saved for my college education because, according to them, I was never meant to be part of their lives in the first place. My dad added that their savings had almost been drained by taking care of Lily and her kids, so there was nothing left for me. Once again, I was reminded that I wasn't a priority, that I was never seen as part of their plans. While they had gone above and beyond to support Lily, I was left to fend for myself. What hurt even more was my mom's reaction.
Starting point is 02:29:57 Instead of encouraging me to pursue my education, she outright tried to convince me to give it up, just like Lily had. She told me I should be realistic and find a local job so I could start pitching in with the household expenses and bills. She made it clear that she and my dad didn't want me to move out and go to college. What they really wanted was for me to stay home and essentially become their servant for the rest of my life. But I wasn't about to let that happen. I had spent years feeling trapped and invisible, and this was my one chance to break free.
Starting point is 02:30:29 So, I found a way to make it work on my own. I applied for loans, worked out the financial details, and prepared to leave for college without any support from them. When I told my family I was moving out, they were furious. My parents acted like I was betraying them, abandoning them after all they had done for me. Lily's reaction was even worse. She was livid that I wouldn't stay behind to help her with her kids. In her mind, I was supposed to step in and be a father figure to her twins, as if that was somehow my responsibility.
Starting point is 02:31:03 She tried to guilt-trip me, saying her kids needed me and that I was being selfish for leaving. It was absurd. At one point, she even went so far. as to try and set my things on fire just before I was about to leave. She called it punishment for abandoning her and the kids. Thankfully, I managed to stop her and retrieve my things. Despite the chaos and drama, I managed to leave that house behind for good. College was brutal. Juggling a full course load, part-time jobs, and managing my loans was exhausting. There were moments when I felt
Starting point is 02:31:38 overwhelmed and questioned if it was worth it, but I kept pushing forward. My heart hard work eventually paid off. This year, I landed a great job, one that allows me to support myself and live independently in a small apartment in the city. It's not luxurious, but it's mine, and for the first time in my life, I feel free. Over the past four years, my family hasn't contacted me much unless they needed something from me. And whenever they did, I've always refused to entertain their demands. I've stayed firm in my boundaries as I've worked too hard to escape that toxic environment to let myself get pulled back in. Lily, however, has been relentless. She still tries to guilt-trip me into visiting her kids. She tells me how much they miss me and
Starting point is 02:32:24 paints me as a terrible person for not spending time with them. But I see it for what it is another attempt to manipulate me into taking on responsibilities that were never mind to begin with. Throughout all of this, Lily has remained completely dependent on my parents for everything. She has never held a steady job, not even close. The few times she did attempt to work, it ended disastrously. Either she got rejected during the interview process or was fired after just a day or two because of her terrible attitude. She has always had this sense of entitlement, as if the world owed her something simply for
Starting point is 02:32:59 existing. To make matters worse, last year, Lily got pregnant again. This time, she gave birth to another son. Her ex-boyfriend, who was the father of this baby, broke up with her shortly after finding out she was pregnant. To his credit, he has at least been paying child support, but that hasn't stopped Lily from leaning heavily on my parents for everything else. And through all of this, my parents' unwavering favoritism hasn't faltered. They continue to believe that Lily is some sort of perfect daughter who can do no wrong,
Starting point is 02:33:32 despite all the evidence to the contrary. They've carried the financial burden for her and all three of her children without her. a second thought. Earlier this week, my parents called me out of the blue. This was unusual because they rarely reached out to ask how I was doing. I knew immediately that there was an ulterior motive behind their sudden interest. So, instead of engaging in pleasantries, I cut straight to the chase and asked, what is it that you want? My dad didn't even try to deny it. He told me how he and mom were getting old and that they were starting to feel sick and tired of living under the same roof as Lily and her three kids. He mentioned how it was becoming
Starting point is 02:34:11 harder for them to manage the chaos and noise. Then, he dropped the real reason for the call. They had been house hunting for Lily and had apparently found the perfect apartment for her and the kids. I told him that was great news and suggested that he talked to Lily about it. I said it as neutrally as possible, but deep down, I knew that you. knew exactly how this was going to play out. There was no way Lily was going to agree to move out. Why would she? She had a sweet deal living with my parents. They babysat her kids all day for free while she went off gallivanting with her friends. She had zero incentive to leave a situation where she had no responsibilities and complete freedom to do as she pleased. My parents had
Starting point is 02:34:55 enabled her a lot, and now they were looking for a way to pass that responsibility onto someone else. I could sense where this conversation was headed, and I braced myself for what was coming next. My dad continued, explaining in detail how he had looked into the rent for the apartment they had found for Lily. He admitted it was quite steep, but he also mentioned that upon talking to the landlord, he had learned the apartment was available for purchase as well. Apparently, the landlord was willing to sell it at what my dad described as a reasonable price. That's when he told me outright that he needed me to buy this apartment for my sister and her kids. I was stunned. For a moment, I thought I must have misheard him.
Starting point is 02:35:36 Buy a house? For Lily? In this economy? I don't even own my own home I live in a rented apartment and am still trying to find my financial footing but they expected me to take on the massive responsibility of buying a house for my dumb sister. I couldn't help but laugh at the absurdity of the suggestion. No, I said firmly. My dad started to argue that Lily could never afford rent on her own since she doesn't have a job. He explained how he and mom would have no choice but to cover her rent themselves if she moved into that apartment. Then he explained how they simply couldn't afford to do that because their retirement fund had almost run out by now and they didn't have much left anymore. I listened to his reasoning, but my stance didn't change. That's not really my
Starting point is 02:36:21 problem, I replied matter-of-factly. My dad wouldn't let it go. He began pleading, trying to tug at my sense of guilt and responsibility. He told me I should think of it as a one-time handout for Lily, someone who has suffered so much as a single mother. He added that her children deserved a good future and that I had the means to help make that happen. But his words didn't move me. I knew better than to let myself get dragged into their endless cycle of enabling Lily. I had worked far too hard to build a life for myself, and I wasn't about to throw it all away for someone who had done nothing to help herself. No, I repeated, unwavering. My dad sighed, clearly frustrated with me, but I wasn't about to budge. I had spent my entire life being treated like an afterthought while Lily was handed
Starting point is 02:37:11 everything on a silver platter. I wasn't going to be the one to clean up the mess they had created by coddling her all these years. This is when my mom chimed in to say how as Lily's brother I should step up and take some responsibility and how she and dad had taken care of her for so long already without any complaints. I took a deep breath to steady myself before responding. First of all, I said, you and dad chose to take care of Lily. That was your decision, and you went along with it because you wanted to, not because you had to. But that doesn't mean I'm obligated to do the same. Lily is not my child. She's not my responsibility. Mom fell quiet for a moment, but my dad quickly took over, trying a different angle.
Starting point is 02:37:54 Your mother and I have sacrificed so much for you, he said, his voice dripping with exasperation. You wouldn't be where you are today in your career if it weren't for us. This made me laugh out loud. I couldn't help it. The sheer irony of his statement was almost too much to handle. Sacrificed? I asked, chuckling. You really think you sacrificed for me?
Starting point is 02:38:20 That's hilarious. Thank you for the laugh, Dad. The only thing you and mom deserve for your non-existent sacrifices in return is a parenting guidebook. That was the final straw. My parents were furious. My dad's voice rose as he called me selfish and unreasonable. My mom chimed in, echoing his words and saying how disappointed they were in me. They tried, yet again, to urge me to reconsider my decision for the sake of Lily and her kids, of course.
Starting point is 02:38:52 But I wasn't moved. I'd heard this song and danced too many times before. I remained firm in my refusal, and the call ended with my parents practically begging me to think it over. Since that day, my parents have been relentless. They've taken to calling me every single day without fail, hoping to wear me down. It's almost laughable how predictable they are, coaxing and pleading in the hope that I'll eventually give in. But their constant badgering only strengthens my resolve. Ida here, Update 1, as if the pressure for my parents wasn't enough, now I've got a new headache
Starting point is 02:39:28 to deal with relatives. Relatives who, mind you, have never bothered to check in on me or even acknowledge my existence in all these years, are suddenly coming out of the woodwork. They've started calling me out of nowhere, and not to offer support or ask for my side of the story. No, they're calling to scold me for being an unhelpful son. Apparently, my parents have been going around the family spreading their twisted narrative. They've been telling everyone that they raised an insensitive a-hole who refuses to help his family in times of need. I don't even know how they have the nerve to pull something like this after everything they've done or, more accurately, haven't done for me over the years. It's absolutely infuriating
Starting point is 02:40:10 that these so-called relatives, people who couldn't care less about me before, suddenly think they have any say in my life or this situation. Where were they when I was struggling to get through college on my own? Where were they when I was drowning in student loans or working two part-time jobs to make ends meet? But now, because my parents spun some sob story to paint themselves as victims, these relatives think they can guilt-trip me into complying. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, my sister has decided to join the pity party. She's taken a page straight out of my parents' playbook and has been harassing me nonstop. I've stopped answering her calls entirely because I know it's not worth the headache, but that hasn't stopped her. She's been leaving me voicemail after voicemail,
Starting point is 02:40:54 each one worse than the last. In these messages, she's called me every name in the book selfish, heartless, ungrateful, you name it. She's trying to guilt me by saying that, as the man of the family, it's my responsibility to keep my feelings aside and step up for her. According to her, it's a my duty to help her and her kids as much as possible, regardless of how I feel about it. It's honestly laughable how entitled she is. She genuinely believes it's my job to fix the mess she's made of her life, simply because we share the same bloodline. But I've made my stance crystal clear. I've told her firmly, it's none of my business. While I may be a man, I am not your man. I have also told her that if she's so eager to buy that house,
Starting point is 02:41:40 then she needs to start taking steps to make it happen herself. Get a job, I said, and start saving up. If this house is so important to you, figure out a way to make it work. I've made it clear that I'm done being her fallback option, her safety net. I refuse to clean up her mess or take on her responsibilities when she hasn't even tried to help herself.
Starting point is 02:42:03 But of course, she doesn't want to hear any of that. To her, I'm just the bad guy for her. standing my ground. She doesn't see the years of hard work and sacrifices I've made to get to where I am now. All she sees is someone she can leach off of, and now that I've said no, she's throwing a tantrum. Update 2, after dealing with weeks of relentless calls from my parents, sister, and now even distant relatives who had no business interfering in my life, I decided I had enough. I wasn't going to stay silent any longer. They wanted to paint me as the villain, so I decided to shine a light on the truth. I took to Facebook, determined to set the record
Starting point is 02:42:42 straight and expose everything my family had put me through. In my post, I didn't hold back. I wrote a detailed account of my life, starting from childhood. I described how my parents treated me as the unwanted oops child, never giving me the same love or care they gave my sister. I explained how they always favored her, spoiled her, and made it abundantly clear that my presence in their lives was an inconvenience. I shared how they only spent money on me when it was absolutely unavoidable, like school fees or basic necessities, and how I had to take out a loan for college entirely on my own. I even mentioned how they outright told me there was no college fund for me because they had used up their savings on my sister and her kids. Then I moved on to my sister.
Starting point is 02:43:27 I wrote about how she got pregnant at a young age after a one-night stand and how my parents enabled her irresponsible behavior instead of encouraging her to take responsibility for her actions. I shared how they made me babysit her kids constantly, even when I was a minor, forcing me to give up my free time and sacrifice my own well-being for her convenience. I detailed how I finally left home, determined to escape the toxic environment they created, and worked tirelessly to build a life for myself. I explained how I've been paying off my college loans and managing everything on my own without their help. Then I revealed how, despite everything they had put me through, my parents and sister had recently
Starting point is 02:44:06 started asking me for a handout a free house for my sister and her kids, no less. I didn't sugarcoat their entitlement. I laid it all out for everyone to see. Finally, I ended the post with a direct message to the relatives who had been calling and criticizing me. I told them that if they were so concerned about my sister's situation and felt so bad for her, they were more than welcome to help her themselves. If you're so invested in her well-being, I wrote, why don't you contribute to buying her a house? Give her some money yourself and stop coming for me. When I hit post, I felt a mix of nerves and relief. I knew there would be backlash, but I didn't care anymore. The truth needed to be out there. To my surprise, the post blew up within a few hours.
Starting point is 02:44:54 My close friends rallied around me, flooding the comments section with messages of support and validation. Even a few strangers chimed in, encouraging me to stand my ground and not give in to my family's toxic behavior. What really caught me off guard, though, was the reaction from some of my relatives. A few of them actually apologized after reading the post. They admitted they hadn't known the full story and apologized for judging me without understanding what I'd been through. Since the post went live, I haven't received a single call from any other relatives. The silence has been golden, and I'm counting this as a huge win. For once, I feel like I've taken control of the narrative and put my family in their place.
Starting point is 02:45:37 They wanted to shame me, but now they're the ones facing the consequences of their actions. Update 3. So, my parents have finally found out about the Facebook post, and let me tell you they are furious. They've been calling me nonstop for the past few hours, demanding that I take it down. But they didn't just ask me nicely they've been threatening to sue me if I don't remove it. I've told them that they're more than welcome to try and sue me because everything I wrote in that post is true. Not a single thing I said was a lie, and I stand by every word. I reminded them that they had their chance to apologize for everything they've done to me,
Starting point is 02:46:15 but instead, they've chosen to keep pushing me, to keep demanding things from me without ever considering how I feel. So, I told them plainly, if you want me to take down the post, then you need to agree to stop talking to me altogether. That's the only way I'll delete it. I figured that would be a pretty clear way to set boundaries. They've had years to treat me with respect, and yet they've constantly chosen their favoritism toward my sister over acknowledging my pain. Now, it's time for them to face the consequences of their actions. At this point, I hope that after all this drama, they finally learned their lesson. Maybe this will be the wake-up call they need to realize they can't keep treating me like I'm their personal backup plan. They need to
Starting point is 02:47:00 back off and leave me in peace. I've done nothing but try to live my life, and I'm done being manipulated and guilt into submission. So yeah, we'll see where this goes. But for now, I'm standing firm. The truth is out there, and I'm not going to let anyone twist it. I hope you enjoy this story. I separated from my spouse because he attempted to harm me while I was expecting a baby due to his unfaithfulness. Greetings to all. This marks my initial contribution on this platform, so kindly bear with me. Be gentle with me.
Starting point is 02:47:35 I just want to advise because honestly at this point I'm not sure how to handle anything in life. So, my husband, 27, and I, 26, met in medical school. He was dating this girl of six years, and they were both a year. year above me, so I never really knew anything about them nor was I friends with them. My husband and his ex were an on and off thing for these six years. She graduated on time, whereas he had an extra year, where we took classes together and started dating. A few months into dating, I found out that he had a secret Twitter account and posted something along the lines of you will always be the one I loved, even though we're not together anymore. However, I was dumb and I
Starting point is 02:48:16 let it go after a fight and after he reassured me that nothing was going on between them. I loved him and I wanted to trust him. I figured it was a spare in the moment kind of thing, and we never brought it up again. Few months later, he proposed and I said yes. I was excited really happy. However, I knew his mom was not on board with me at first. This is because we both come from a different background, different culture, and even have slightly different beliefs. Once both families were both on board, we announced our engagement. The first red flag I experienced before we even got married was how disrespectful he was to me in front of other people. We went apartment hunting once, and he called me stupid in front of other people for trying to point out things that we needed to look for in any apartment.
Starting point is 02:49:04 The second red flag was when he pushed me to agree to live in that apartment. And the third red flag is that he lied to me about signing the contract already with that apartment complex, so I wouldn't ask him to look for more apartments. I was so in love with him back then that I didn't realize those were big red flags. Of course there were other red flags, like him wanting to spend more time with his friends than me, his fiancé. However, let's get to the real problem.
Starting point is 02:49:31 He is a huge mama's boy. He's the oldest son and they only have two sons. His parents have raised him to believe that they should always be his number one priority and that his blood-related family should always come first, even before his wife. He believes it too, although he does not admit it. We fought several times about him always choosing his mother's side. For example, when we went to pick a wedding date and his mom wanted that specific date and he literally fought his way to get it. I'm honestly surprised at
Starting point is 02:50:01 myself typing all of this because of how much BS I've accepted to let go of. As time went by, I realized that he tells his parents, his mother in specific, like everything everything about us. About me, my secrets, secrets I've shared with him about my family, and about our relationship. She knows about our fights, what I'm like as a wife, and even our sexual activities. I was shocked. And that's not even the biggest part. They would both get together and discuss what his next move should be to try to teach me a lesson so I wouldn't fight over X again, or act out. I was mortified when I found out. For example, he goes out with his friends, who are single still, on a daily basis. Literally, on a daily basis. I've asked why to try to understand,
Starting point is 02:50:52 complain to him multiple times, and started fighting about it lately. I just want to feel married. I'm not controlling, like he tries to make me sound, I just want to spend time with my partner. He could go out as much as he liked, but on a daily basis? Coming home at one or two a.m. in the morning even on weekdays? I sleep at 11 p.m. to 12 a.m. most times, so I'm always asleep when he's home. I don't even get to hug, cuddle, or talk to him at night. It breaks my heart how detached he is from all of this. So anyways, back to the example. He would tell his mom that I was fighting to him about staying out all day and night, and she would tell him that he's the man and he could do whatever he wants, and would tell him to not let me speak to him that way next time. She would tell him things to
Starting point is 02:51:39 do, and he'd apply every single advice he's gotten from her. Recently, I had a miscarriage. We were fighting before the miscarriage happened about a lot of things one of them is about how he's giving his mother almost one-fifth of his salary when she doesn't need it. Because A, her husband works a really good job and makes a good amount of money and B, we're in need for this money as we don't even own a house yet. and the fight wasn't even about me telling him to stop. It was more of him getting really angry at me for just suggesting that he thinks about whether the sum of money that he's paying to his mother could maybe instead be saved for us to buy a house within the future, especially since she doesn't even need it. He got really mad, threatened with divorce, swore at me, all the while I'm
Starting point is 02:52:20 pregnant, then dropped me at my parents and left. I was crying, depressed, felt lonely. Shortly after I started bleeding. I had a miscarriage of about a week later. He was still mad at me suggesting to think that his mother's money should be reduced. So he didn't even ask about me while I stayed with my parents for two weeks. I was depressed, I was sad, I was mad. I was preparing myself to leave him. Then he came back and apologized. Said he'll change, that he's not going to share anything with his family anymore. That he's going to put me first. I believed him and wanted to give him another chance. Although I wish I didn't, because things only went downhill from there.
Starting point is 02:53:06 His family started getting more involved. They're now pressuring him to make me cook and clean for him. Now I know a lot of wives do that, but no one is required to do that if that's not what they wanted. He knew before he even proposed to me that I never cooked my entire life. I clean here and there, and our apartment complex has a weekly cleaning service, so I'm not sure what else he wants. Before we got engaged, I told him in all honesty that I'm not going to be cooking or doing his laundry. I'm a doctor. I have my own calls, shifts, work, and life in general. He said he doesn't want me to cook or clean. That will figure it out together. But now he's demanding that I basically become his maid.
Starting point is 02:53:50 The last straw was when I found out he went on Reddit to like and comment on other girls' naked posts. I called his family crying, thinking that they'll stand by my side. Instead, his father yelled at me. He told me that it's not his problem, that his son is an adult and can do whatever he wanted, that it's probably my fault for always nagging on him, that I'm going to lose my husband and ruin my life, and that it's maybe best if we go through with a divorce because his son is suffering because of me. I was shocked.
Starting point is 02:54:21 There I was crying, I had just found out that my husband is commenting on other girls, and for his father to be blaming me, yelling at me, disrespecting me, and my family was a lot to handle. We fought. We made up. The usual. At this point I'm depressed. I can't stop crying. I want to leave the relationship. But no, that's not the end of it. I find out that he's still stalking his ex of six years. He's still not spending time with me. He's still not sharing any secrets. The sex life is almost always initiated by me. I confront him about stalking his ex. He denies it, lies again.
Starting point is 02:55:05 He doesn't know I have proof. He cried. We fought. We made up. I am tired of this relationship. I'm at a point where my mental health is getting affected. My work is getting affected. I'm crying all the time.
Starting point is 02:55:23 I'm depressed. I want to leave, but I'm depressed. I want to leave, but I'm still holding on to the hope that he might change and go back to how he was before. I'm scared and I feel lonely. I come from a culture where it would be difficult for a divorcee girl to date and marry someone else. Once divorced, not many guys would even look my way. Not that it matters, I know I need to get out of this abusive family, but I don't know how to let myself. I think I've been broken way too many times that it's just difficult to pick myself up and just walk away. I'm scared. Please give me some advice on how to handle it all. Update 1,
Starting point is 02:56:00 we are breaking up, no more toxic relationship. Hello everyone, for anyone that already knows my story, welcome back. For people that don't, please go back to my previous post. But to summarize things, I'm the doctor wife, 26, who's married to a doctor husband, 27. We've been having fights non-stop. Family-in-law getting involved and yelling at me. Him telling them everything left me during my miscarriage. Cheating, lying. No respect, nothing at all. He just wants me to be cooking for him. And I was scared to leave because one, I loved him and two, the culture. There is a huge update. I've listened to you all about how toxic my relationship is and how I need to find my self-worth and to just run. I do honestly love him so much.
Starting point is 02:56:55 Because prior to marriage, and even up to the first few months of marriage, things were fine. They weren't amazing, I'll be honest. But he always promised to change. Well, he never changed, except maybe to the worse, but that empty promise kept me going. I decided to talk to him one last chance to see if there's anything we could do to fix things. It was a last hope. I know, dumb me, what was I thinking? He'll never change, but I really was holding on to the hope that maybe things can get fixed.
Starting point is 02:57:27 That maybe he loves me enough to fight for us. Well, many of you would be happy to hear it, but we're breaking up, despite me wanting to give this one last try. I approached him today, told him that there's so much going on, he's been treating me really badly, but that I love him and if he really wants this to work, that will find a way to fix things, but he'll have to really work hard on it. And his response? That he wants to consider divorce.
Starting point is 02:57:51 that he'll never change and neither will I that he found the post on Reddit somehow and read what I've shared to everyone on here and how betrayed he felt that I mentioned to complete strangers about our problems. He's mad that everyone is against him and his family. He's fuming and even asked me how could you let them talk badly about me and my family? As if I've pointed a gun to each person's head to make the comments that they did. So, he's moving out of our place while he thought about divorce and asked me to do the same. I didn't respond. on to him. I just told my parents about what happened and they jumped into protection mode. They're now on board with divorce 100%, even if you were to turn back and apologize.
Starting point is 02:58:33 We drove to my apartment, packed everything into my dad's car, and off we went to my parents' house. You know what's funny, though? When he read my post, he didn't even realize what he's done wrong. When he saw everyone commenting about how bad of a husband he is, or how bad his family is, he didn't think once to doubt himself or his family. Simply, he got angry that now strangers know of our problems, and that everyone's been supporting me to get a divorce. The irony, though, he's been the one telling his family and friends about our problems
Starting point is 02:59:06 and everything to do with us slash me, but when I post about our problems to complete strangers that don't know him or I and never will, he gets mad. I mean I get it, I may be in the wrong for posting about our problems. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, but he's done far worse things, such as telling everyone we know about our problems to begin with. Guess he got a little taste of his own medicine, and he really does not like it.
Starting point is 02:59:30 Another thing, he was so willing to just drop me and walk away because A, I'm not cooking for him and B, I'm constantly nagging him to change and see that I posted our problems for people who don't know us to see. But I couldn't walk away despite the cheating, lies, disrespect, etc. That's a hard slap in the face and a good wake-up call. Am I that petty and weak to allow him to walk all over me but still be with him because I love him? But then with him, he's been waiting for any small excuse to just end things. It really is for the best. I've packed, I'm out, I'm completely done with him now just as he is done with me and even more.
Starting point is 03:00:09 He probably want, but even if he asked for me back, it's a hard no for me. I didn't know my self-worth all of this time, but I am learning my self-worth now. I deserve better, and I may be sad and it'll be difficult for a while, but I'll be happier without him in the long run. No more abuse, I should be free now. And I know I need to seek therapy. I will. I've been in too deep with this toxic relationship that I lost my self-worth, self-love, and self-care. A part of me didn't want to walk away because I thought I couldn't find better, because he fed me those lies. I was once this strong independent woman, and he stripped me out of this role.
Starting point is 03:00:51 However, I'll find myself again, I'll love myself again, and I'll focus on my life and work from now on. I may never find anyone to fall in love with again, especially because of my culture, but at least I'll have myself, my family, and my pride. And I'll never give up hope on finding someone who'll treat me better. Thank you everyone for supporting me.
Starting point is 03:01:13 And for anyone that's going through a similar situation I hear you. I know what it's like now that I'm not. at the end of it. I know how it feels like to think you deserve what's happening to you, to think that you'll never find anyone. It's difficult to walk away from a whole marriage with someone you love, despite it being really toxic and abusive. But I'm going through it and hopefully we'll see the light at the end of the tunnel, and so will you. It's difficult to think that abuse is abuse when it's been ongoing for a long time and you start getting used to it. But I hope no one ever allows anyone to do this to them. It's not okay.
Starting point is 03:01:49 Much love to everyone. Please reach out if you just want to make friends. I would really love to get my mind off things for a while. Thank you again, everyone. Update 2. Toxic Marriage ending with lawsuit, husband, and possibly his family, in on possibly poisoning me to Miscarry? Hello, everyone.
Starting point is 03:02:10 I'm not sure if you remember me I posted a few months ago about my toxic relationship. Just for a summary for any of you who can't remember, and you probably don't. It has been a while, I'm a doctor married to another doctor. We were in a really toxic relationship, where my husband lied, cheated on me, caused emotional distress, to the point I miscarried, treated me like shit, gaslit me, etc., and I still stayed because. I was still in love with him and so attached to the hope that maybe one day we will go back to how things were in the beginning. Of course, we separated after that. We didn't even last a year of marriage. It has been 3.5 months since we separated, but we are still legally married.
Starting point is 03:02:53 Since detaching from the whole situation, I realized how much danger I was in while I was with him. Long story short, since separating, I'm beginning to put the pieces together. I don't have proof of anything, but just really big chunks of coincidences that happened during our relationship that leaves me with a question mark now. I was too blinded to see it then, but going through our text messages and old convoes in my head, I'm starting to connect the dots. He knew I came from a somewhat wealthy family. He probably saw that as a plus to target me. He tried to get me to give him money for his businesses and for our future house that he wanted to be under his name only, to which I obviously refused to do. I didn't mind helping him out
Starting point is 03:03:35 if he was in trouble, but I'm not going to take a $300,000 loan for him just for the house to be under his name. He tried several times to trick me, told me he'd have to sell his car, that his family were in trouble and they could lose their house, etc., to get money out of me, while we were married. As I mentioned before, things got worse when I got pregnant. I don't think he really wanted the baby. He started abusing me mentally. He'd never spend time with me, our sex life was really bad, he didn't find me attractive anymore and made sure to make it known to me. But strangely enough, he would wake up earlier than me, make me breakfast and made sure that I ate it. I was really confused at that point as to why he specifically focused on making me breakfast
Starting point is 03:04:19 while I was still sleeping. At first I thought it was a really cute gesture at show that he cared. But what kept me confused is that he didn't care if I ate it all after that. He didn't care if I had lunch or dinner. Didn't care if I slept or not. He literally only cared about that act of making my breakfast. I had a first doctor's appointment as soon as I learned I was pregnant, I was only four weeks one day pregnant, and all my blood investigations were normal. He didn't know I was pregnant then, I wanted to tell him after I confirmed my pregnancy with the doctor. Once I told him is when he started making me breakfast. Two weeks later, I went to the doctor again, for another issue, and another blood test was done. This time, my liver function test was
Starting point is 03:05:05 trending up. It was strange, but we didn't think much of it and the doctor suggested I repeated again in two weeks. Two weeks go by and the liver function test are going up even more. It was really strange. A few days after the doctor's appointment, I started bleeding. I had a threatened miscarriage, meaning that the baby's heartbeats were there. He was doing well, but I had minimal bleeding. I was in and out of the hospital. During that time, he was getting really frustrated slash angry slash mad over the whole situation. I thought he was stressed about possibly losing the baby. Now, I'm not so sure. Anyway, I miscarried it around week nine. He didn't care. I grieved alone, but I also didn't think it was a red flag. After that, he told me we should
Starting point is 03:05:56 stop trying for a while. What's strange is that every time we had a pregnancy scare, he would do the same exact thing in the morning, get up early, make me breakfast, make sure I ate it. At the same time, I was going to my doctor's appointment to follow the liver function tests. It went down after I miscarried and normalized. Then when we had that pregnancy scare, my liver function tests went up again. That same week, I discussed with him possibly trying again for a baby. We got in a fight, but he finally agreed that we should try. We try, and then from that day onwards, He said it again with making me breakfast. Up to that point, it never even crossed my mind that he could be putting something in my food.
Starting point is 03:06:41 That same month, my function tests were the highest they have been. Then, once I finally packed everything and moved out, the liver function tests have normalized and they have been normal ever since. Is this a coincidence? Maybe. Could it possibly be stress-induced transglutaminase? Well, there's not much literature on that and I highly, doubt it because there's no medical evidence that stress can affect the liver, but again,
Starting point is 03:07:07 nothing's impossible. My biggest fear, however, is that he could have been putting something in that breakfast that I was eating. Am I crazy for even thinking that way? Maybe I'm overthinking. But again, we are talking about the man who tried to manipulate me into giving him all my money and taking a loan for him. The same man who did a big medical mistake for a patient on purpose because he didn't feel like operating on him. The same man who tricks people into doing business with him. I honestly never for a second doubted that he would do anything like that to me while I was living with him, but I was so blinded.
Starting point is 03:07:42 Could it be that I am seeing things more clearly now, or is my inner thought process trying to find a coping mechanism through doubting that he could possibly be poisoning me and my unborn child so he could get rid of him slash her? We are going through a really ugly divorce battle right now. We are not in contact with each other, but our lawyers are and it has been a war. We couldn't settle because he asked for everything, literally, and threatened to go to court, so we are going to court.
Starting point is 03:08:08 It scares me how confident he is that he will be leaving court with more money than we tried to settle for, honestly, but I cannot even think of anything wrong that I have done except that I was stupid enough to text him during arguments, which could possibly be used against me. Whereas he tried his best to never leave evidence of anything from day one. My mind's all over the place. I'm venting, I'm seeing what other people think of this situation. I'm so glad I'm out of that apartment, but I really just want my freedom back of being a single woman again
Starting point is 03:08:39 and I'm willing to pay for it just not with everything that he asked for, especially when he's the one who lied, cheated, manipulated me and mistreated me, and now possibly was the direct cause to the death of my unborn child. Please help me make sense of the whole situation. Thank you. Update 3, I got a divorce. No more toxic family, no more toxic husband. Hi, I highly suggest that you go over my previous posts for update.
Starting point is 03:09:07 At this point, I have been updating you guys throughout my journey to free myself from that toxic family. It all began with a simple post on here of my relationship with him and his family. And well, I got to say that I got more support on here than anywhere else, including my family and friends. I was so down, lost, confused, scared to walk away, but you guys encouraged me too, and I am so glad you all did, so thank you for that. Before I get into the update, I will leave a little summary of the previous posts. I was married to my now ex-husband for less than one year. We met in medical school and got married soon after graduation, were both doctors. He tricked me into thinking that he cared and loved me, but I realized soon after I married him that
Starting point is 03:09:53 all he cared about was my family's money. Yeah, I come from a somewhat well-off family. He tried to get me to lend him money, take loans for him, etc., just trying to basically milk me off money for absolutely no reason. He's a doctor and has a side business and makes a ton of money, but he's so into money that he would do anything for it, as I noticed later on in our marriage. He was lying, manipulative, cheated, gaslit me, victim blamed me, etc. His family on the other hand were trying to pull me away from my family, disrespected me, mistreated me, etc., and he allowed for all of that to happen. His mom was an absolute nightmare to live with. She wanted to stay as the main woman in his life. He buys her flowers and showers her with gifts but
Starting point is 03:10:40 wouldn't get me anything if I asked for it. Last post I made was about the possibility of him poisoning me to get me to miscarry, to which I obviously miscarried. Anyhow. Into the good news, I'm finally divorced. We got to settle with him and I'm surprised that all it took for us to settle was me threatening him that I will get my nail slash hair tested for any possible toxins that could have caused my miscarriage like some of you suggested in the comments. He was so worried to the point that he agreed to settle right away. His only condition was that I dropped the lawsuit against him and never file any other lawsuits
Starting point is 03:11:15 against him. Hmm, fishy. I know a lot of you guys would jump to tell me not to sign the agreement to end the divorce and to go get tested and take it to court, etc. But this could take years and I cannot prove that he could have poisoned me, even if I had a toxicology report that there was something in my system. There is no direct link to him. I consulted with my lawyer, and my lawyer told me that she is willing to do whatever I chose to do. I honestly just wanted to settle and close the chapter, especially since he in turn signed not to get any money from me, and instead, I was getting money
Starting point is 03:11:50 from him. I honestly couldn't care less about the money and I am thinking of donating it all to domestic violence survivors and shelters, etc. Basically women that were in the same spot as me but couldn't be lucky enough to leave before it's too late. I also know that his one true love is money, so it was really hitting him hard knowing that he'll have to pay me. We both signed the divorce papers and I feel like a weight has been lift off me. I do not want to be associated with him. I do not want to see him. I do not want to even remember the bad about him, because I want to heal and move on. Yes, I'm dropping a lawsuit that I could have probably won and got justice for, but I chose
Starting point is 03:12:30 what will be best for me now and for the long run. I can finally breathe. I feel a lot better. I'm a lot happier, even though it hasn't been 24 hours yet since we signed the papers. Still, I am glad to get rid of him. I believe karma will get him sooner or later for mistreating me and for being a cause of my miscarriage, whether that's directly through poisoning me or from putting me through hell living with him. I get to sleep tonight feeling a lot better that I got rid of him. Also, I was afraid of him
Starting point is 03:13:00 finding this post, but I'm not afraid anymore. Actually, I hope that if he comes across it, he can read my post and let it all sink in. The very first post I made about him, which was anonymous, a long time ago and on another website, he was furious that people were attacking him and his mother and he couldn't get over it ever. It felt like his forehead vein was going to pop. He couldn't take it that other people are against him and his mother. He tried to blame me for allowing other people to talk shit about him and his mother, but in reality, they were commenting on his and his mom's behavior.
Starting point is 03:13:35 So really, I hope he finds my previous posts and can read it all, though I wish I could record his reaction and show it to you all. I bet it would go viral, L.O.L. Jokes aside, thank you all for support. supporting me through it. I am finally closing that chapter and with that, this is most likely my last update on here. Less than three. I hope you enjoy this story. My sibling from a different mother arranged her marriage ceremony on the identical date as mine, and my father opted to escort her down the aisle rather than me. However, she unexpectedly rescinded his invitation. So he showed up
Starting point is 03:14:12 at my wedding. It's been a while since this incident has been on my mind and I really hope I can get some advice and suggestions from all of you here on Reddit. Like every other girl, I had big dreams of how my wedding would be. I imagined everything as flawless as it could have been and it was totally picture perfect. But all of that fell to pieces the moment my father came to the wedding. You might wonder why my father's entry would destroy my wedding day. Well, this is what my story is about. To make all of this mess a little more understandable, let me give you some context and an overview of my family tree. Initially, it was just my mom, dad, and I, but that changed when I turned 16, and my parents got divorced and I started living with just my mom. Within a year,
Starting point is 03:14:58 my dad was married to another lady. Since then, the family just became bigger and bigger, as my stepmother also had two kids, Lily and Olive. Two years later, my mother also got married and now I also have a stepdad. I wish I could say that we all became one big happy blended family, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy for my parents that they were able to find their soulmates. My stepmom was and is still very nice,
Starting point is 03:15:28 and my stepdad has also been as involved as he could have been. But all my life, I felt like a secondary person who was just a side character to everybody else's story. It all started with my dad getting remarried. As a kid who grew up in a small family, I always believed in the motto the bigger, the better when it came to families, and I thought that I could befriend Lily, my stepmom's daughter as she was also around my age, but she always seemed a little disinterested in talking to me, so I stopped trying after some time.
Starting point is 03:15:57 I did not hold any grudges for this because I could understand why someone would be a little hesitant to become friends with their new stepfather's daughter. But my dad, on the other hand, wanted Lily to feel comfortable around him, which was again a good thing since they would be soon living together. What I never knew was that this new relationship was developing at the cost of losing another. The signs of Dad's changing priorities were subtle at first, but they quickly became impossible to ignore. It started small, with forgotten promises and missed events. The standing father-daughter ice cream dates we'd had every Friday since I was five suddenly became rare, then stopped altogether. When I asked about it, Dad would ruffle my hair and say,
Starting point is 03:16:40 week, Princess. I promise. But next week never seemed to come. Then came the missed milestones. My first big debate tournament in junior year, I scanned the audience, hoping to see him, but his seat remained empty. When I called him afterward, he answered distractedly, apologizing and explaining that he had to help Lily with her science project meltdown. And then this became a never-ending pattern with him. My high school graduation? Dad showed up late, having come straight from Olive's dance recital. My college acceptance? He was too busy helping Lily with her college applications to celebrate with me. But this wasn't the worst of it. The final straw came during my sophomore year of college. I'd been selected for a prestigious
Starting point is 03:17:29 internship at a major news network in New York, a huge stepping stone for my journalism career. The day before I was supposed to fly out, my appendix ruptured. I woke up in the hospital, in pain, to find only my mom by my side. Dad was nowhere to be seen. When I asked Mom, she just told me that he couldn't come, because something came up. I was so hurt, because what could have been so important that he couldn't come for his daughter who not only is in physical pain but also lost a job that she worked so hard for? Well, I got the answer to this a month later.
Starting point is 03:18:04 Dad decided that Mom and I should have dinner at his place for old time's sake, especially because I had been ignoring him ever since my surgery. When we got there, we realized it was not only going to be three of us, but my stepmom and her kids as well. I'll be honest, after everything that had happened, I was a little jealous of Lily and hated that she had her real dad and also my dad available for her every minute of the day. But I controlled my anger and decided to at least pretend to be nice to everybody.
Starting point is 03:18:32 However, all of that changed the moment my father had the audacity to say that it was very rude of me to not respond to his calls and texts in the last month. I reminded him that I was going through the most difficult time of my life and he was not there. He said that he was busy and had other things to deal with and I later got to know what was so important that he couldn't go to the hospital to see his sick daughter. If you haven't guessed it yet, it was again about Lily. Apparently, she and her boyfriend broke up that day and she had a meltdown.
Starting point is 03:19:02 That was the last time my dad and I talked for a while. I know everything till now might seem a little off topic, but believe me, you'll need to know all of this stuff so that you can see where I'm coming from. Anyway, after that dinner, I returned to college and very soon also found an internship. I couldn't go back home for a long time and that meant that I had zero conversations with my dad. As the years passed, the distance between us grew. I saw him less and less, our conversations becoming shorter and more superficial.
Starting point is 03:19:35 Meanwhile, his relationship with Lily flourished. He was at every one of her college events, cheering her on from the sidelines. When she landed her first job out of college, he threw her a big party. I found out about it on Facebook. So, all of this just made me question what had I done to be put on the sidelines my whole life. On the brighter side, I also met Stan at one of the internships I was part of. What started as a sweet date turned into a committed relationship very soon. We graduated together and then also got our jobs around the same time.
Starting point is 03:20:10 Stan was always so sweet and supportive, and because of that and many more reasons, I didn't think twice to say yes when he proposed to me. I was finally building a life of my own where I did not feel like someone on the sidelines. Mom was thrilled, of course. She immediately threw herself into wedding planning mode, offering to help her. with every detail. But when I called Dad to tell him, his reaction was lukewarm at best. He again seemed distracted so before he could say that he was needed elsewhere, I hung up. It was one of the biggest moments of my life, and he couldn't even give me five minutes of his undivided attention.
Starting point is 03:20:47 After much discussion and planning, we set our wedding date for exactly five months later. We set all our relatives save the date cards and the majority of them are SVPed yes. Then my dad and his family. But I still had a secret I hadn't told Dad. I wanted him to walk me down the aisle. Despite everything that had happened, he was still my father and traditions mattered to me. I hoped that my wedding day would be a chance for us to reconnect, to heal some of the wounds that had festered over the years. So, I had planned that a month before the big day, I would surprise him with the news, and ask him to walk me down the aisle. And that's what I did. But I didn't know that I was about to be surprised by my dad and his beloved stepdaughter. I called dad and started by asking how he was
Starting point is 03:21:35 doing and he said that he is doing great and is over the moon, now that his daughters are getting married. I thought I heard him wrong, so I confirmed what he meant by daughters. And what came next shook me to the core. Lily was also getting married. But that wasn't the news that got me. She was getting married on the same day, the same month as my wedding day. Not a single word came out of my mouth because how could my own dad be okay with this? And why would Lily do this to me when she knew I was getting married that particular day? Lily chose the day five months in advance and somehow, she also felt the need to get wet on the same day. I'll be honest even though I was jealous of Lily as a confused teen, I never blamed her for anything. But at that moment, I felt
Starting point is 03:22:20 like all this time, she had tried to steal my father and hog attention. I asked Dad if he was okay with these two weddings on the same date, and he simply said that Lily met the love of her life a month ago, and couldn't wait to get married, and as her dad, he was going to be supportive of that. Getting myself from this frustrating news, I questioned Dad that he would surely be attending my wedding right because I wanted him to walk me down the aisle. But then came the next blow. Lily had also asked him to walk her down the aisle, and my dad had agreed to do so. I was enraged. Why was she doing this? I never hurt Lily and was always nice to her.
Starting point is 03:23:00 Clearly, the feelings were not mutual. I could have ignored all of this, but I couldn't ignore how nonchalant my father was about all of this. He thought that he could simply just drop another meaningless sorry, and get away with it. I simply said, Dad, I am done with this disappointing back and forth every time, and I hope this is the last time we ever talk. Before he could say another word, I hung up.
Starting point is 03:23:24 When my wedding day finally came, I had come to terms with my dad and some other relatives not being there, since Lily had also invited many of them. I decided I wouldn't let it ruin my big day, and I was determined to enjoy it with my other family and friends. Also, my stepdad found out about what happened with my dad, and he offered to walk me down the aisle if I wanted him to. I could not have been happier and was thankful to have a father figure who cared. My stepdad and I didn't get to spend much time together when he first joined our family because I was mostly away at college, but he was always kind to me and would call me from time to time to ask how I was doing. So finally,
Starting point is 03:24:02 everything was lining up just right. Then came the day of the wedding. I was very excited and a little bit jittery about everything. Fortunately, mom and my stepdad had taken care of everything. The day was unfolding exactly as I'd hoped, until it wasn't. About two hours before the ceremony, My dad appeared out of nowhere. I was busy getting ready with my bridesmaids, but he demanded that he wanted to have a chat with me. I was irritated but decided to listen to what he had to say. As soon as he entered the room,
Starting point is 03:24:36 he ran to hug me and started complimenting me, but I could tell that was not what he was there for, so I asked him to get to the point. And then came another shocking news. Apparently, at the last moment, Lily felt that it would be much better if her bi-o dad walked her down the aisle. When Dad tried to argue about her last-minute changes, she made a snarky comment that he should
Starting point is 03:24:57 feel lucky that he's still invited to the wedding. Dad being Dad, started listing out everything he has done for her till now, and Lily was not one to take any of his attitude. So, she wanted him to leave as soon as possible because she did not want any nuisance because of him. Listening to all that happened, I felt a little bad for Dad because he gave his all to Lily and now he was uninvited to be part of her special day. But at the same time, a tiny part of me also felt a tinge of satisfaction.
Starting point is 03:25:26 It was like my dad was finally getting a taste of what it felt like to be ignored by someone he cared about. Regardless, I consoled dad in the best way I could and told him that he was welcome to attend my wedding and that we would always have a place for him. He instantly felt better and said that he was happy that he could still walk his daughter down the aisle. I froze. Where did he get that from? I quickly explained that while he could come to the ceremony and the reception afterward, my stepdad was going to walk me down the aisle. We had already planned it that way. He definitely did not take it well. He got up and started shouting stuff like, why would my stepdad do that when he was here I told him to calm down so that we could talk about this like adults, but he didn't care.
Starting point is 03:26:09 Dad started guilt-tripping me by saying that both of his daughters whom he took care of, were erasing him from their life. On any other day, I would have also screamed my heart out and called him out on everything he had not done for me. But I remained calm as I was about to get married and I didn't want him to ruin my happy day. But Dad had something else in his mind. He ran out of the room and started shouting my stepdad's name. Before I knew it, my stepdad heard the commotion and came to investigate. The moment he stepped into the room my father lunged at him. Security rushed inside. pulling the two men apart. Stan, my fiancé, stepped in two and told the guards to escort Dad I was appalled. The one day I thought of my life that could have been about me, surrounded by
Starting point is 03:26:56 my loving friends and families, was also destroyed. My bridesmaids tried to console me and told me to get back to getting ready Stan, being the best partner ever, offered that if I didn't feel up to it, then he would understand. But we had put a lot of thought and effort into the preparations and decided that we would move forward with the ceremony. An hour later, we were married and had a great after-party. Even though everything happened very smoothly, I was a little bit out of my head the whole time, but we still did the best we could have done.
Starting point is 03:27:27 Nothing else mattered now other than the fact that I was happily married. A few weeks after the wedding, I decided to meet up with my dad. Part of me wanted closure, and the other part hoped we could salvage something from our shattered relationship. We agreed to meet at a quiet coffee, shop. As soon as I saw him, I could tell that this was not going to be easy. The first words out
Starting point is 03:27:49 of his mouth should have been sorry, but he said, can you be a little quick honey? Something urgent has come up. And honestly, I was ready for it. I started by laying it all out that I was done with his antics and he better buckle up for what I was going to say. I started with how unfair it was that he didn't protest his stepdaughter having her wedding on my date and how hurt I felt that he always seemed to prioritize Lily over me. I told him how his stupid scene had destroyed the day that I dreamt of and I had to put up a brave face for everyone's sake. I didn't hold back. I needed him to understand the full impact of his actions, or rather, his inactions. He listened quietly, which was surprising, but as soon as I finished, he launched into a classic guilt trip.
Starting point is 03:28:33 He started talking about how hard it was for him to juggle two families, how he tried his best to be there for everyone, and how he felt unappreciated. Then came the kicker, he said he thought I was being too harsh and that maybe I should consider how difficult things were for him and Lily, especially after her last-minute decision to have her biological dad walk her down the aisle. It was like he completely missed the point of our conversation. He even had the nerve to suggest that I might have overreacted to the whole situation, implying that my wedding wasn't the only important thing happening that day and it was not that big of a deal. I was stunned. It felt like I was talking to a wall this whole time and he didn't get a single word I said.
Starting point is 03:29:13 It was as if my feelings were less valid because he was having a hard time managing his commitments. I left that meeting feeling more confused and hurt than ever. So, I'm turning to you for some perspective. Ida for being upset that my dad chose to prioritize his stepdaughter over me, not just on my wedding day but consistently throughout my life. I feel justified in my feelings, but the way he flipped the script has me second-guessing myself. I've always tried to be understanding and forgiving, but this feels like the last straw. I don't want to completely cut him out of my life, but I also can't keep being
Starting point is 03:29:49 hurt by his actions. What should I do? How do I set boundaries without burning bridges? Any advice or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated. Update 1, it's been a couple of weeks since my last post, and I've got an update to share. Last weekend, I unexpectedly ran into my dad at a family gathering. Despite my initial hesitation, I decided to stay and try to keep things civil. Unfortunately, the situation quickly became uncomfortable. As the event progressed, my dad started making comments that felt like thinly veiled criticisms of my life choices. He kept emphasizing the importance of traditional family values, which seemed like a direct jab at my decisions. Things took a turn for the worse when he casually mentioned how unfortunate it was that I had not
Starting point is 03:30:39 to have him walk me down the aisle at my wedding and instead had some random man. The way he phrased it implied that I had deliberately ruined a special family moment, deflecting the blame. Throughout the gathering, my dad, like a classic narcissist, continued to make remarks that minimized my experiences and decisions. He spoke about family values, in a way that seemed targeted at me, implying that my choices somehow went against these ideals. Despite my attempts to steer the conversation to neutral topics, he persistently returned to these sensitive subjects. It became very clear that my dad was more interested in promoting his view of how things should be rather than trying to understand my perspective.
Starting point is 03:31:18 His comments and attitude just created a tense atmosphere. What angered me more was it was not even our party and I could see my relatives judging us. Eventually, I felt compelled to leave earlier than planned, because I couldn't stand everyone's judgment. Moreover, the constant pressure and subtle jabs from my dad had become too much to bear, and I needed to remove myself from the situation. Now that I've had a chance to reflect, I realize that Dad is not changing his behavior at all. This encounter has only reinforced my belief that my dad is more invested in maintaining his own narrative than in understanding or supporting me. One particular thing that I have noticed about Dad is that he always has his emotional
Starting point is 03:31:59 blow-ups in front of a huge group of people so that there could be a scene. He's not interested in having a conversation or solving anything, he just wants to embarrass me. It's becoming increasingly clear that he sees nothing wrong with his actions and is completely unaware of how he's made me feel over the years. I'm starting to understand that I need to focus on my own well-being and happiness. But it's definitely very hard. I'm grateful for the support I've received here on Reddit. Your support means more than you know. It's helping me navigate these complicated situations and figure out my next steps. Till then, I would love some advice from you guys. Update 2. Hey guys, I'm here with another update, and this one's really thrown me for a loop.
Starting point is 03:32:45 Recently, I caught up with a cousin who attended Lily's wedding, and what she told me is that it left me dumbfounded. During our conversation, my friend casually mentioned something about Lily's wedding that caught me completely off guard. Apparently, Lily had been quite open about her choice of wedding date, revealing that she deliberately selected the same date as my wedding. This wasn't just a coincidence or an oversight, it was, in Lily's own words, a power move. According to my friend, Lily openly bragged about this decision at her wedding. She told guests that choosing the same date was her way of asserting her place in the family. She wanted to ensure that everyone would remember her big day, even if it meant overshadowing mine. And apparently, she also had reasons for it. She told
Starting point is 03:33:32 everyone that I was always jealous of her, and would often have arguments with dad and her mom about her. As I have already mentioned in my story, yes, I was jealous of her for a while. But I never blamed her or argued with my stepmom about anything. Even at my lowest, I was mature enough to not hate her. The only person I blamed for my trauma was Dad, because he was the one choosing to neglect me. While we have brought up Dad, Lily also said all kinds of stuff about him.
Starting point is 03:34:02 She told the people at the party that he wanted to ruin her day because he never really loved her as his daughter. He only took care of her because he wanted her mother's money. He was never there when she needed him and was busy catering to his ex-wife and daughter. What surprised me the most was how could my stepmom listen to all of this, when she knew the truth. She was a very kind woman when I was a kid but at this point, I guess I really know no one. Anyway, my friend overheard Lily discussing this with some of her bridesmaids.
Starting point is 03:34:32 They were laughing about my reaction to the date clash, dismissing my concerns as overly dramatic. It seems they found amusement in my distress over the situation. This explains a lot of stuff. Now we know why there was so much resistance when I initially raised concerns about the date clash. I think she made the elaborate plan of asking Dad to walk her down the aisle so that he would comply with her schemes, but when she knew that he was not needed, she threw him away like trash. At the time, I was told it was purely coincidental and that changing the date would be too difficult. Now, it's clear that this was all part of Lily's calculated plan. I wish that I could pity dad but this is just his karma getting to him.
Starting point is 03:35:15 I've been trying to piece together other incidents that might make more sense in light of this information. There were several occasions where Lily seemed to go out of her way to one-up me or draw attention to herself during family events. At the time, I brushed these off as just a random incident or misunderstandings. For example, it could not have been a mere coincidence that she was going through a breakdown while I was getting surgery. Whenever there was an important event in my life, somehow Lily also had something going on. Now, I'm seeing a pattern that I hadn't fully recognized before.
Starting point is 03:35:49 At the same time, I'm also thinking about my relatives' reaction to this. Is everybody present at Lily's wedding seeing me as the villain? I honestly don't know how to proceed. Part of me wants to confront Lily about this, to call her out on her behavior. But another part of me wonders if it's worth the emotional energy, given her past responses to my concerns. I'm considering reaching out to other family members to see if they are aware of this situation. However, I'm hesitant to potentially create more family drama or be seen as stirring up trouble. For now, I've decided to take a step back from family gatherings. I've declined the next few invitations, citing work commitments. This has given me some much-needed space to process everything and
Starting point is 03:36:35 consider my next steps. I've also started seeing a therapist to help me navigate these complex family dynamics. It's been helpful to have a neutral party to discuss these issues with and to get strategies for setting healthy boundaries. Looking ahead, I'm not sure what my relationship with Lily and the rest of the family will look like. I know I need to prioritize my own mental health, even if that means creating more distance between us. I'm grateful for this Reddit community and the support you've shown me through all of this. Your insights and advice have been invaluable as I navigate this challenging situation. I'll keep you updated as things develop. Thanks for listening and for being a sounding board as I work through all of this. I'm not sure what hurts more,
Starting point is 03:37:19 the fact that Lily went out of her way to spite me her whole life or that my dad was not even once able to uncover her facade. This bombshell has made me reevaluate my entire relationship with both of them. I am so grateful for the support and validation I've received from you all. It's reassuring to know that I'm not overreacting and that my feelings are valid. So, a big, thanks to all of you. Update 3, hey everyone, I'm back with what's likely to be my final update for a while. I've taken some big steps to address the situation with my dad and Lily, and I wanted to share them with you all. After everything that's happened, my husband suggested we take a short getaway to clear our heads.
Starting point is 03:38:01 During this time, I really reflected on the whole situation and came to some tough decisions. With encouragement from friends and this amazing Reddit community, I decided it was time to set some firm boundaries. Last week, I arranged to meet my dad at his place. I went in with a clear plan and was determined to lay everything out on the table. I told him about how his actions, or often lack thereof, have hurt me deeply over the years. I specifically addressed his recent behavior around the weddings and made it clear that it was unacceptable.
Starting point is 03:38:34 As I expected, my dad didn't take it well at first. He tried to flip the script, accusing me of being unreasonable and claiming that I was the one tearing the family apart by holding grudges. But this time, I didn't back down. I stood my ground and told him point-blank that if he didn't listen to what I had to say, he was at risk of losing me forever. The conversation was intense and lasted for hours. We rehashed old arguments and brought up years of unresolved issues. This time, I didn't wait to listen to his side anymore, because that is what was happening till now, and this was going to be my moment. As for Lily, I've decided to go no contact with her. It's become painfully clear that she doesn't see me as family and has no qualms about hurting me
Starting point is 03:39:18 to get what she wants. I explained this to my dad as well, making it clear that I wouldn't be attending any family events where she was present. I did not go into a lot of detail about what I've heard Lily say about my dad because he would have just seen it as me bad-mouthing her. I was a little disappointed in my stepmom because I used to see her as a mother figure, but with everyone switching sides, I am not surprised anymore. This decision hasn't been easy, and I know it might cost me my relationships with other family members. Some might believe Lily's version of events or side with her out of convenience. But I've reached a point where I'm okay with that. If I'm going to lose family over lies and manipulation, then so be it. My mental
Starting point is 03:40:01 health and well-being have to come first. Moving forward, I'm focusing on building a positive, supportive environment with my husband and the people who genuinely care about me. I've started reaching out to old friends I've neglected and even joined a local book club to meet new people. I want to express my deepest gratitude to all of you here on Reddit. Your advice, support, and sometimes tough love have been a guiding light during this incredibly difficult time. You've helped me find the strength to stand up for myself and prioritize my own happiness. Thank you all again. I may not be updating as frequently, but know that your support has made a world of difference, wishing you all the best. I hope you enjoy this story. My partner requested a pause to reassess her
Starting point is 03:40:48 unfaithful former partner. I marketed my residence, relocated to a different region, and severed all communication. Eight moons afterward, her existence has utterly crumbled. Apart. I am a 32-year-old. My life was, by most measures, stable and heading in a direction I had planned. The primary individual in this account, aside from myself, is my now ex-fiancee, Sarah, who was 30 at the time. We had been together for four years, engaged for the last one. We lived in a house that I had purchased prior to our engagement. It was solely in my name, a financial decision made based on my existing assets and family contributions well before Sarah was significantly in the picture. Sarah had moved in with me approximately two years into our relationship.
Starting point is 03:41:42 Other individuals who feature are Sarah's ex-boyfriend, James. He was her partner before me, and their relationship. as she had recounted, ended due to his infidelity. Her parents and her younger sister Clara also became involved, or rather, became aware of the circumstances as they unfolded. Our initial context was, I believed, quite strong. We had met through a mutual acquaintance, dated for a year before deciding to live together, and another two years before I proposed. The relationship seemed to be built on shared interests and what I perceived as mutual respect. Sarah was aware of my financial well-being, the house, for instance, was purchased by me using a
Starting point is 03:42:26 combination of savings and an inheritance from my grandparents. It was a three-bedroom suburban home, comfortable and more than adequate for our needs and future plans, which included marriage and potentially starting a family in a few years. Sarah contributed to household running costs, like utilities and groceries, but had no financial stake in the property itself. This was a clear, established, and undisputed arrangement. James, her ex, was a figure from her past I knew about. She had been quite open that their relationship had lasted about two years and had ended badly when she discovered he had been consistently unfaithful. She had expressed, on multiple occasions, the pain and betrayal he had
Starting point is 03:43:09 caused. This was, I thought, ancient history, something she had processed and moved on from, especially given our engagement and shared life. Approximately six months before the central incident, I began to notice subtle shifts in Sarah's behavior and conversation. James's name, once a rare mention associated with past hurt, started to feature more regularly, albeit in what seemed like casual contexts. She mentioned having seen a social media post from him, or having heard about him through a distant mutual friend.
Starting point is 03:43:42 At first, I didn't attribute much significance to it. People from the past sometimes drift back into one's orbit of awareness. However, these mentions became more frequent. She would talk about what ifs related to her past, sometimes contrasting her life choices. There was a growing sense of restlessness in her that I found difficult to pinpoint. She became somewhat more withdrawn, spending more time on her phone, often appearing pensive or distracted after such sessions. When I would inquire if everything was all right, she would usually offer a vague reassurance or attribute her mood to work stress or general fatigue.
Starting point is 03:44:21 The situation escalated when, about three months before the break request, she informed me that James had directly contacted her. According to Sarah, he had reached out with an apology for his past behavior, expressing remorse and stating that he had changed significantly. She said she was surprised by the contact but also curious. She portrayed it as a need for closure, to hear him out. I recall suggesting that closure is often something one finds within oneself, rather than seeking it from the person who caused the hurt, but I did not forbid her from communicating with him. I believe that in a relationship based on trust, dictating who one can or cannot talk to was not my place, though I did express my unease given their history.
Starting point is 03:45:05 Over the next few weeks, it became apparent that their communication was not a one-off event. Sarah would be texting late into the evening, sometimes stepping out of the room to take calls. When I addressed this, she admitted they had been talking more regularly. She described James as being very persuasive, painting a picture of a reformed man who regretted his past actions deeply. She started mentioning things they used to have in common, trips they took, old inside jokes. It was as if she was re-evaluating her past relationship with him, not as a source of pain, but through a new, more nostalgic lens. The clear turning point, indicating a serious problem,
Starting point is 03:45:47 was when she began to draw comparisons between James and me, or more accurately, between her relationship with James and her relationship with me. She started to articulate a sense of having missed out on a certain kind of excitement or passion, which she subtly associated with her time with James. She would say things like our life was comfortable and stable, but then follow it with amusing about whether comfort and stability were enough for her in the long run. This was alarming, as these were qualities we had supposedly both valued. I tried to discuss these concerns with her directly, asking her what had changed and what she felt was missing in our relationship.
Starting point is 03:46:25 Her responses were often contradictory. She would say she loved me and valued our life, but then immediately expressed doubts about her own feelings and future happiness, frequently referencing James and the what-if scenarios. It became clear she was deeply conflicted, or perhaps, was being drawn back into an old dynamic. The week before she asked for the break, she attended a catch-up coffee with James. She told me about it beforehand, framing it as an innocent meeting to finally get that closure. I didn't argue, but I stated that I was not comfortable with it, particularly given her recent behavior and expressions of doubt. She went anyway. When she returned, she was distant and evasive,
Starting point is 03:47:09 providing very few details about their conversation, only saying it was interesting and that James had indeed grown a lot. The atmosphere in our home became tense for the following few days. The conversation that altered everything occurred on a Saturday morning. I had planned for us to spend the day together, perhaps go for a hike, in an attempt to reconnect. Before we could even begin these plans, the same room where we had discussed wedding plans and our future. She began by saying how much she appreciated me and the life we had built. Then, she transitioned into her internal conflict, stating she was confused about her feelings. She brought up James again, saying that reconnecting with him had stirred up old emotions and made her question whether
Starting point is 03:47:54 she had made a mistake leaving him, or rather, whether she should if there was still something there now that he claimed to be a changed person. Then came the request. She asked for a break from our relationship. She was specific. She wanted to take some time, a few weeks, maybe a month or two, to explore her connection with James. She suggested she could stay with her sister, Clara, or find a temporary place. During this period, she wanted to date James, to see if what she was feeling was real or just nostalgia. She emphasized that it wasn't that she wanted to end things with me definitively, but that she needed this space and freedom to figure out her heart, to be sure before we got married. She even suggested that this exploration would ultimately make her a better partner for me,
Starting point is 03:48:42 or confirmed that James was truly a mistake, thus strengthening our relationship in the long run. She asked for my understanding and patience. I listened to her proposition without interruption. Internally, what I registered was a request from my fiancé to pause our engagement and our shared life so she could test drive a relationship with an ex-boyfriend who had previously cheated on her. The finality of her request, from my perspective, was immediate. While she was framing it as a temporary pause for exploration, I interpreted it as a fundamental breach of the commitment our engagement signified. When she finished, I didn't engage in a lengthy debate or plea.
Starting point is 03:49:21 I asked a few clarifying questions to ensure I understood the parameters of her request, that she intended to actively pursue a romantic and likely physical relationship with James during this break. She confirmed this was her intention, stating it was the only way to truly know. My immediate response was calm and concise. I told her that if she felt she needed to explore a relationship with another man, then our relationship was, for all practical purposes, over. I stated that I would not be a placeholder, nor would I participate in a scenario where our commitment
Starting point is 03:49:56 was put on hold for her to experiment elsewhere. I told her I would not be waiting for her to make a decision between me and her cheating acts. I explained that her request itself demonstrated a profound lack of respect for me and for the vows we were planning to take. I told her that I considered our engagement and relationship terminated, effective immediately. She appeared taken aback, perhaps expecting negotiation or emotional pleading from my side. She tried to argue that I was misunderstanding her intentions,
Starting point is 03:50:27 that it was about her confusion, not about a lack of love for me. I reiterated my position. Her desire to explore a relationship with another man was, in itself, the end of ours. Sarah was visibly shocked by my stance. She attempted to backtrack, suggesting maybe a break wasn't necessary, or that we could talk through it more. But the request had been made, and the underlying sentiment was clear to me. I told her that the trust and commitment I believed we had were irrevocably broken by her proposal. I stated that since she needed space to explore things with James,
Starting point is 03:51:03 I would ensure she had all the space she needed. I told her she needed to make arrangements to move her belongings out of the house. I suggested she should probably proceed with her plan to stay with her sister or find that would no longer be living with me. That same Saturday afternoon, after she left her. the house in a state of distress to presumably process things or go to her sisters, I began to take action. My decision was not made in anger, but with a cold clarity. The relationship was over. The future we had planned was cancelled. Therefore, the logical steps were to dismantle the infrastructure
Starting point is 03:51:40 of that shared life. My first action was to contact a locksmith. Within a few hours, all the locks on the house were changed. I own the house, it was my property. She had no legal claim to it. My second action, taken over the remainder of the weekend, was to prepare the house for sale. This involved clearing out some of Sarah's more easily removable personal items that were intermingled with mine in common areas, clothes, toiletries, a few decorative items. I boxed these up neatly and stored them in the garage, intending to arrange for her to collect them. I also began decluttering and depersonalizing the space to make it more appealing to potential buyers. I contacted a highly recommended real estate agent on Monday morning.
Starting point is 03:52:28 I explained the situation briefly, I was single, needed to sell the property quickly due to a new job opportunity one would be pursuing, which was prospectively true, as I immediately began activating my professional network for out-of-state roles, and wanted a fast, uncomplicated sale. The agent was efficient and listed the property within a few days. The market was favorable for sellers. Concurrently, I initiated a search for new employment in a different state. I had been passively considering a career move for some months prior, wanting new challenges, and this situation provided the catalyst. I updated my resume, reached out to contacts, and applied for several positions in a city on the opposite coast that offered a strong industry and
Starting point is 03:53:13 complete change of environment. The shared cloud storage we used for photos, some documents, and backups was another point of focus. It contained years of our shared memories. I downloaded my own files and photos, anything that was mine exclusively or that I had a right to. Then, I systematically deleted her access, and subsequently deleted the shared folders and content that was predominantly ours. It was a digital severing. I communicated with Sarah minimally. When she contacted me, demanding to know why the locks were changed, I informed her via text message that our relationship was over, the house was being sold, and she needed to arrange a time with my realtor or a designated friend of mine to collect her box
Starting point is 03:53:58 belongings. I did not engage in further discussion or arguments. I stated that all necessary communication would henceforth be purely logistical. She was, as expected, furious and distraught. She accused me of being heartless and impulsive. She insisted she had only been confused and that my actions were an overreaction. I did not debate this with her. My decision was made. The house, due to its location and condition and an aggressive pricing strategy, received an offer within two weeks.
Starting point is 03:54:34 It was a cash offer, slightly below asking but with no problems, which I accepted. The closing was scheduled for 30 days later. During this period, Sarah's attempts to contact me escalated, involving calls, texts, and emails. I did not respond to most of them. When her messages became abusive or overly emotional, I blocked her number and email address. I also blocked her on all social media platforms. I instructed my realtor to handle all communication regarding her belongings, which she eventually collected with her sister, Clara, present.
Starting point is 03:55:10 I was not there during the collection. The sale of the house closed as scheduled, approximately six weeks after Sarah's request for a break. By that time, I had already secured a promising job offer in the new state. The offer included a relocation package, which expedited my move. I sold some of my furniture, put essentials into storage, and packed my car. I moved across the country. The process was swift. I found a temporary apartment in the new city, started my new job, and began the process of
Starting point is 03:55:45 establishing a new life. I focused on my work, exploring the new city, and reconnecting with a couple of old university friends who lived nearby. I made a conscious effort not to dwell on the past relationship beyond the lessons learned about clear boundaries and dealbreakers. It has now been about eight months since I moved. I'm settled in my new job, which is challenging and rewarding. I found a more permanent place to live. I am, for all intents and purposes, doing okay. I wouldn't say I'm ecstatic or empowered by the events, but I am functional, stable, and moving forward with my life as planned, albeit on a revised trajectory. The reason for this post, this venting or rambling as it might be, is due to the information that has been
Starting point is 03:56:33 filtering back to me about Sarah's circumstances. This information has come primarily, through two sources. Clara, Sarah's sister, who contacted me a couple of months ago, and indirectly through mutual acquaintances from my old city with whom I still have very loose professional ties. According to Clara, and corroborated by other snippets of information, Sarah's exploration with James was short-lived and disastrous. James, true to his past form, apparently was not the reformed character he portrayed. He was reportedly still involved with other women, or quickly reverted to his old habits once Sarah was available to him. He ended things with Sarah quite abruptly about two months after she had initiated her break with me. Clara mentioned he told Sarah he
Starting point is 03:57:19 wasn't ready for anything serious and that he found her emotional state and expectations overwhelming. Following this, Sarah found herself in a difficult position. She had given up her stable relationship with me. The house we lived and was sold. She had been staying with Clara, but that arrangement became strained due to Sarah's emotional state and, according to Clara, Sarah's unwillingness to take responsibility for her decisions, often blaming me for overreacting or James for deceiving her again. Sarah's parents also became involved. Clara told me that her parents were deeply disappointed in Sarah's actions. They had apparently liked me and were looking forward to the wedding. They had known about James's unsuitability from Sarah's previous relationship with him.
Starting point is 03:58:07 When they learned the full sequence of events, that Sarah had asked for a break to be with James, that I had consequently ended the engagement and sold my house, they apparently took my side. They felt Sarah had thrown away a good future due to recklessness and a lack of judgment. They expressed their disapproval to Sarah directly. The next piece of information I received was that Sarah lost her job. The details are a bit unclear, but it seems the emotional turmoil and instability in her personal life affected her performance and attendance at work. So, she was jobless. With James having dumped her, her relationship with her sister strained, her parents disapproving of her actions, and now jobless, Sarah was, and apparently still is, effectively homeless or reliant on short-term charity from friends, as Clara eventually asked her to find alternative accommodation.
Starting point is 03:59:00 Clara's initial contact with me was, she said, to apologize for Sarah's behavior and to express her and her parents' regret for how things turned out. She also wanted to ensure I was aware that they did not condone Sarah's choices. It was a surprising conversation, and I mostly listened. Recently, the begging part has started. Sarah has been trying to reach me through various new channels, creating new social media profiles to send messages, or trying to call from unknown. numbers. The messages that have gotten through, before I blocked the new avenue, are apologies, please for a second chance, requests for help, sometimes financial, sometimes just wanting to talk. She has mentioned her difficult situation, her regret, and her supposed realization of the mistake she made. I am not asking if I should take her back or help her. That door is closed, welded shut, and the entire building has been demolished. My action is. My action is, were decisive, and I stand by them. I suppose the reason for writing all this down on Reddit like this is to just lay out the sequence of events and mostly to vent. I am not seeking
Starting point is 04:00:11 advice on how to interact with her, I have a clear policy of no contact. I appreciate the various perspectives and the time people took to read through the extensive account. Many users shared similar experiences or offered words of support for the stance I took. Several recurring questions and points for clarification emerged, which I'll address here. One, many asked about the specifics of the house. As stated, the house was 100% mine. I purchased it years before the engagement, using my own funds and an inheritance. Sarah's name was on no documents related to ownership.
Starting point is 04:00:50 She contributed to some utilities and groceries, as would any cohabiting partner or roommate, but these contributions granted no equity or tenancy rights beyond that of a partner living in my home. When our engagement and relationship ended due to her stated intention to pursue another man, her basis for residing in my home was nullified. Regarding her belongings, I had them boxed and provided her with a reasonable opportunity which she did, accompanied by her sister. There was no illegal eviction. She was asked to leave after she effectively terminated the foundation of our cohabitation.
Starting point is 04:01:25 The locks were changed to secure my property during the sale process and after the definitive end of our relationship. Two, some questioned the immediacy of my decision. The conversation where Sarah asked for a break was not a brief, impulsive moment. It was the culmination of weeks of her increasing distance, her re-engagement with James, and her expressed doubts about our relationship. Her request was not for space to think in solitude. It was specifically for space to explore.
Starting point is 04:01:55 a relationship with James. She explicitly stated her intent to date and sleep with him. This was not a point of confusion for me. It was a clear statement of her priorities. My response was equally clear. I was not interested in being an option or a fallback plan or worst a doormat as you guys call it. Three, Clara, Sarah's sister, was the first in the family to get a clearer picture. Sarah went to stay with Clara immediately after. our conclusive conversation. Naturally, Clara asked Sarah what had happened. Sarah, from what Clara later relayed to me, initially tried to portray the situation as me
Starting point is 04:02:36 overreacting to a simple request for space. However, under questioning from Clara, who knew her sister well, the full extent of the request, wanting to date James, came out. Clara was, and is, very pragmatic. She knew James' history and had apparently warned Sarah about reconnecting with him. Sarah's parents were informed by Clara, and later by Sarah herself. Their siding with me was based on several factors, according to Clara.
Starting point is 04:03:07 They had always liked me and viewed me as a stable, reliable partner for Sarah. They were aware of James' past betrayals and considered him a destructive influence. Sarah's decision to risk a secure future and an impending marriage for a chance to revisit a failed relationship with an untrustworthy individual was, in their eyes, an act of profound poor judgment. They did not see my actions, ending the relationship, selling my house, as the cause of the problem, but rather as a direct consequence of Sarah's initial decision. Their disappointment was with her choices, not my reaction to them. Four, some found the speed of these actions surprising. I am a planner by nature. Once a decision is made, I tend to execute. I tend to execute.
Starting point is 04:03:52 efficiently. The job search was an acceleration of pre-existing thoughts about career progression, and the situation with Sarah provided the immediate impetus. The housing market was, as mentioned, very active. I priced the house for a quick sale, preferring speed and certainty over maximizing every last dollar. The goal was a clean and rapid severance from the old life. My actions were not driven by panic. In the week since my original post, Sarah's attempts to contact me continued for a while, then tapered off slightly after a particularly direct message I had a mutual acquaintance, a former colleague I trust, who she had also tried to contact to get to me, relate to her. I authorized this person to tell Sarah,
Starting point is 04:04:39 unequivocally, that there was no possibility of reconciliation, no chance for discussion, and that any further attempts to contact me would be regarded as harassment. I also reiterated that I wished her no specific ill will, but that the other than that I was her no specific ill-will, that her life and her problems were her own to resolve, and I would not be involved in any capacity. This was the only communication I have initiated, albeit indirectly, since blocking her. I have continued to maintain no direct contact. I also took further steps to secure my privacy, changing my primary phone number, a hassle, but necessary, and updating security settings on various personal accounts. It was a process of ensuring all ties were thoroughly severed.
Starting point is 04:05:21 through Clara, who provided one further unsolicited update about a week ago, I learned a few more details. James, after dumping Sarah, apparently made it very clear to their mutual acquaintances that Sarah had been too intense and was living in the past. This, Clara said, further humiliated Sarah. Sarah's job situation did not improve. She apparently had difficulty securing new employment, partly due to the circumstances of her previous job loss, rumored to be related to unprofessional conduct stemming from her personal issues, and possibly due to a lack of focus during job applications and interviews. The most significant piece of news from Clara was that Sarah had, for a brief period, attempted to stay with their parents. However, this arrangement also failed.
Starting point is 04:06:12 According to Clara, Sarah's parents while providing temporary shelter, were firm in their stance that Sarah needed to acknowledge her mistakes, seek professional help for her decision. decision-making patterns, and take concrete steps to rebuild her life independently, rather than seeking a quick fix or someone to blame. Sarah apparently reacted poorly to this, leading to increased friction, and she left their home after a few weeks. Clara did not know Sarah's exact whereabouts when she last spoke to me, only that she was temporarily staying with an old college friend and was still struggling significantly. Clara expressed her own distress and frustration with the situation, feeling caught in the middle but also affirming that she and her parents believed
Starting point is 04:06:53 Sarah needed to face the consequences of her actions to learn from them. She reiterated that they held no ill will towards me and wished me well. I thanked her for the information but did not invite further updates, hoping to draw a line under these incoming reports. My life is here, now, and I am focused on that. Update 2, it has now been approximately six months since my first update, making it around seven months since my original post. A significant amount of time has passed, allowing for more developments, or lack thereof, in Sarah's situation, and for my own life to further stabilize and progress in the new state. My own situation remains positive and stable. Work is going well, I've taken on more responsibility and am involved in some
Starting point is 04:07:40 interesting projects. I have established a good routine, made a few new friends, and explored more of the surrounding area. The new city feels like home now. The events of last year, while significant, feel increasingly distant. I do not dwell on Sarah or the past relationship. My focus has been resolutely forward. I am not in any new romantic relationship, by choice, as I'm content with my current phase of life, focusing on professional growth and personal interests. Regarding Sarah, the information flow has, thankfully, significantly diminished. Clara has respected my implicit request to cease updates, and I've had no direct contact from Sarah or her family for several months. However, one piece of significant information did reach
Starting point is 04:08:30 me indirectly about two months ago. The information came via a former colleague from my old city, the same one who had previously relayed my no-contact message to Sarah. He reached out for a professional query, I had given him my new number and stated that he should know leak it, and, in the course of conversation, hesitantly shared something to be aware of, prefacing it by saying he understood if I wasn't interested. He informed me that Sarah had, at some point in the preceding months, left the state.
Starting point is 04:09:00 Apparently, after exhausting options with friends and with her family maintaining their stance, she decided to relocate, possibly to live with a distant relative in a different part of a country or to try a completely fresh start where no one knew her or her recent history. He did not have precise details, only that she was no longer in our old city or its vicinity. This news of her relocating did not evoke any strong reaction in me. It seemed like a logical, if perhaps desperate, step for someone in her position. There have been no further attempts by Sarah to contact me since before my first update, at least none that have successfully reached me. My change of number and diligent blocking of any suspicious new accounts or unknown numbers
Starting point is 04:09:43 seems to have been effective. My life has continued to move in a direction I've set. The sale of the house, the move, the new job, these were all decisions made to create a clean break and a new foundation, and those objectives have been met. This will likely be my final update on this matter, as there is little more to say from my perspective, and the information streamed concerning Sarah has essentially dried up, which is my preference. The purpose of my original post was to document a sequence of events and actions, and that has been done. I hope you enjoy this story. My sibling from another marriage set her wedding date to coincide with mine, and my father opted to escort her during the ceremony instead of me. However, she unexpectedly rescinded his
Starting point is 04:10:29 invitation right before the event. So he showed up at my wedding. It's been a while since this incident has been on my mind and I really hope I can get some advice and suggestions from all of you here on Reddit. Like every other girl, I had big dreams of how my wedding would be. I imagined everything as flawless as it could have been and it was totally picture perfect. But all of that fell to pieces the moment my father came to the wedding. You might wonder why my father's entry would destroy my wedding day. Well, this is what my story is about. To make all of this mess a little more understandable, let me give you some context and an overview of my family tree. Initially, it was just my mom, dad, and I, but that changed when I turned 16, and my parents
Starting point is 04:11:14 got divorced and I started living with just my mom. Within a year, my dad was married to another Lady. Since then, the family just became bigger and bigger, as my stepmother also had two kids, Lily and Olive. Two years later, my mother also got married and now I also have a stepdad. I wish I could say that we all became one big happy blended family, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy for my parents that they were able to find their soulmates. My stepmom was and is still very nice, and my stepdad has also been as involved as he could have been. But all my life, I felt like a secondary person who was just a side character to everybody else's story. It all started with my dad getting remarried. As a kid who
Starting point is 04:12:02 grew up in a small family, I always believed in the motto the bigger, the better when it came to families, and I thought that I could befriend Lily, my stepmom's daughter as she was also around my age, but she always seemed a little disinterested in talking to me, so I stopped trying after some time. I did not hold any grudges for this because I could understand why someone would be a little hesitant to become friends with their new stepfather's daughter. But my dad, on the other hand, wanted Lily to feel comfortable around him, which was again a good thing since they would be soon living together. What I never knew was that this new relationship was developing at the cost of losing another. The signs of dad's changing priorities were subtle at first, but they quickly
Starting point is 04:12:42 became impossible to ignore. It started small, with forgotten promises and missed events. The standing father-daughter ice cream dates we'd had every Friday since I was five suddenly became rare, then stopped altogether. When I asked about it, Dad would ruffle my hair and say, Next week, Princess. I promise. But next week never seemed to come. Then came the missed milestones. My first big debate tournament in junior year, I scanned the audience, hoping to see him, but his seat remained empty. When I called him afterward, he answered distractedly, apologizing and explaining that he had to help Lily with her science project meltdown.
Starting point is 04:13:25 And then this became a never-ending pattern with him. My high school graduation? Dad showed up late, having come straight from Olive's dance recital. My college acceptance? He was too busy helping me. Lily with her college applications to celebrate with me. But this wasn't the worst of it. The final straw came during my sophomore year of college. I'd been selected for a prestigious internship at a major news network in New York, a huge stepping stone for my journalism career.
Starting point is 04:13:55 The day before I was supposed to fly out, my appendix ruptured. I woke up in the hospital, in pain, to find only my mom by my side. Dad was nowhere to be seen. When I asked, She just told me that he couldn't come, because something came up. I was so hurt, because what could have been so important that he couldn't come for his daughter who not only is in physical pain but also lost a job that she worked so hard for? Well, I got the answer to this a month later. Dad decided that Mom and I should have dinner at his place for old time's sake, especially because I had been ignoring him ever since my surgery.
Starting point is 04:14:32 When we got there, we realized it was not only going to be three of us but my stepmom and her kids as well. I'll be honest, after everything that had happened, I was a little jealous of Lily and hated that she had her real dad and also my dad available for her every minute of the day. But I controlled my anger and decided to at least pretend to be nice to everybody. However, all of that changed the moment my father had the audacity to say that it was very rude of me to not respond to his calls and texts in the last month. I reminded him that I was going through the most difficult time of my life and he was not there. He said that he was busy and had other things to deal with and I later got to know what was
Starting point is 04:15:10 so important that he couldn't go to the hospital to see his sick daughter. If you haven't guessed it yet, it was again about Lily. Apparently, she and her boyfriend broke up that day and she had a meltdown. That was the last time my dad and I talked for a while. I know everything till now might seem a little off topic, but believe me, you'll need to know all of this stuff so that you can see where I'm coming from. Anyway, after that dinner, I returned to college and very soon also found an internship. I couldn't go back home for a long time and that meant that I had zero conversations with my dad.
Starting point is 04:15:46 As the years passed, the distance between us grew. I saw him less and less, our conversations becoming shorter and more superficial. Meanwhile, his relationship with Lily flourished. He was at every one of her college events, cheering her on from the sidelines. when she landed her first job out of college, he threw her a big party. I found out about it on Facebook. So, all of this just made me question what had I done to be put on the sidelines my whole life. On the brighter side, I also met Stan at one of the internships I was part of.
Starting point is 04:16:21 What started as a sweet date, turned into a committed relationship very soon. We graduated together and then also got our jobs around the same time. Stan was always so sweet and supportive, and because of that and many more reasons, I didn't think twice to say yes when he proposed to me. I was finally building a life of my own where I did not feel like someone on the sidelines. Mom was thrilled, of course. She immediately threw herself into wedding planning mode, offering to help with every detail. But when I called dad to tell him, his reaction was lukewarm at best. He again seemed distracted so before he could say that he was needed elsewhere, I hung up. It was one of the biggest moments of my life, and he couldn't
Starting point is 04:17:04 even give me five minutes of his undivided attention. After much discussion and planning, we set our wedding date for exactly five months later. We set all our relatives save the date cards and the majority of them are SVPed yes. Then my dad and his family. But I still had a secret I hadn't told dad. I wanted him to walk me down the aisle. Despite everything that had happened, he was still my father and traditions mattered to me. I hoped that my wedding day would be a chance for us to reconnect, to heal some of the wounds that had festered over the years. So, I had planned that a month before the big day, I would surprise him with the news, and ask him to walk me down the aisle. And that's what I did. But I didn't know that I was about to be surprised by my dad and his beloved
Starting point is 04:17:52 stepdaughter. I called Dad and started by asking how he was doing and he said that he is doing great and is over the moon, now that his daughters are getting married. I thought I heard him wrong, so I confirmed what he meant by daughters. And what came next shook me to the core. Lily was also getting married. But that wasn't the news that got me. She was getting married on the same day, the same month as my wedding day. Not a single word came out of my mouth because how could my own dad be okay with this? And why would Lily do this to me when she knew I was getting married that particular day? Lily chose the day five months in advance and somehow, she also felt the need to get wet on the same day. I'll be honest even though I was jealous of Lily as a confused teen, I never blamed her for anything.
Starting point is 04:18:39 But at that moment, I felt like all this time, she had tried to steal my father and hog attention. I asked Dad if he was okay with these two weddings on the same date, and he simply said that Lily met the love of her life a month ago, and couldn't wait to get married, and as her dad, he was going to be supportive of that. Getting myself from this frustrating news, I questioned dad that he would surely be attending my wedding right because I wanted him to walk me down the aisle. But then came the next blow. Lily had also asked him to walk her down the aisle, and my dad had agreed to do so. I was enraged. Why was she doing this? I never hurt Lily and was always nice to her. Clearly, the feelings were not mutual. I could have ignored all of them.
Starting point is 04:19:24 this, but I couldn't ignore how nonchalant my father was about all of this. He thought that he could simply just drop another meaningless sorry, and get away with it. I simply said, Dad, I am done with this disappointing back and forth every time, and I hope this is the last time we ever talk. Before he could say another word, I hung up. When my wedding day finally came, I had come to terms with my dad and some other relatives not being there, since Lily had also invited many of them. I decided I wouldn't let it ruin my big day, and I was determined to enjoy it with my other family and friends. Also, my stepdad found out about what happened with my dad, and he offered to walk me down the aisle if I wanted him to. I could not have been happier and was thankful to have a father figure who cared.
Starting point is 04:20:10 My stepdad and I didn't get to spend much time together when he first joined our family because I was mostly away at college, but he was always kind to me and would call me from time to time to ask how I was doing. So finally, everything was lining up just right. Then came the day of the wedding. I was very excited and a little bit jittery about everything. Fortunately, Mom and my stepdad had taken care of everything. The day was unfolding exactly as I'd hoped. Until it wasn't. About two hours before the ceremony, my dad appeared out of nowhere.
Starting point is 04:20:45 I was busy getting ready with my bridesmaids, but he demanded that he wanted to have a chat with me. I was irritated but decided to listen to what he had to say. As soon as he entered the room, he ran to hug me and started complimenting me, but I could tell that was not what he was there for, so I asked him to get to the point. And then came another shocking news. Apparently, at the last moment, Lily felt that it would be much better if her bio dad walked her down the aisle. When Dad tried to argue about her last-minute changes, she made a snarky comment that he should feel lucky that he's still invited to the wedding.
Starting point is 04:21:20 Dad being dad, started listing out everything he has done for her till now, and Lily was not one to take any of his attitude. So, she wanted him to leave as soon as possible because she did not want any nuisance because of him. Listening to all that happened, I felt a little bad for Dad because he gave his all to Lily and now he was uninvited to be part of her special day. But at the same time, a tiny part of me also felt a tinge of satisfaction. It was like my dad was finally getting a taste of what it felt like to be ignored by someone
Starting point is 04:21:51 he cared about. Regardless, I consoled Dad in the best way I could and told him that he was welcome to attend my wedding and that we would always have a place for him. He instantly felt better and said that he was happy that he could still walk his daughter down the aisle. I froze. Where did he get that from? I quickly explained that while he could come to the ceremony and the reception afterward,
Starting point is 04:22:12 my stepdad was going to walk me down the aisle. We had already planned it that way. He definitely did not take it well. He got up and started shouting stuff like, why would my stepdad do that when he was here I told him to calm down so that we could talk about this like adults, but he didn't care. Dad started guilt tripping me by saying that both of his daughters whom he took care of were erasing him from their life. On any other day, I would have also screamed my heart out and called him out on everything
Starting point is 04:22:41 he had not done for me. But I remained calm as I was about to get married and I didn't want him to be. to ruin my happy day. But Dad had something else in his mind. He ran out of the room and started shouting my stepdad's name. Before I knew it, my stepdad heard the commotion and came to investigate. The moment he stepped into the room my father lunged at him. Security rushed inside, pulling the two men apart. Stan, my fiancé, stepped in two and told the guards to escort Dad I was appalled. The one day I thought of my life that could have been about me, surrounded by my loving friends and families, was also destroyed. My bridesmaids tried to console me and told me to get back
Starting point is 04:23:23 to getting ready, Stan, being the best partner ever, offered that if I didn't feel up to it, then he would understand. But we had put a lot of thought and effort into the preparations and decided that we would move forward with the ceremony. An hour later, we were married and had a great after-party. Even though everything happened very smoothly, I was a little bit out of my head the whole time, but we still did the best we could have done. Nothing else mattered now other than the fact that I was happily married. A few weeks after the wedding, I decided to meet up with my dad.
Starting point is 04:23:55 Part of me wanted closure, and the other part hoped we could salvage something from our shattered relationship. We agreed to meet at a quiet coffee shop. As soon as I saw him, I could tell that this was not going to be easy. The first words out of his mouth should have been sorry, but he said, can you be a little quick honey? Something urgent has come up. And honestly, I was ready for it. I started by laying it all out that I was done with his antics and he better buckle up for what I was going to say. I started with how unfair it was that he didn't protest his stepdaughter
Starting point is 04:24:27 having her wedding on my date and how hurt I felt that he always seemed to prioritize Lily over me. I told him how his stupid scene had destroyed the day that I dreamt of and I had to put up a brave face for everyone's sake. I didn't hold back. I needed him to understand the full impact of his actions, or rather, his inactions. He listened quietly, which was surprising, but as soon as I finished, he launched into a classic guilt trip. He started talking about how hard it was for him to juggle two families, how he tried his best to be there for everyone, and how he felt unappreciated. Then came the kicker, he said he thought I was being too harsh and that maybe I should consider how difficult things were for him and Lily, especially after her last-minute decision to have
Starting point is 04:25:11 her biological dad walk her down the aisle. It was like he completely missed the point of our conversation. He even had the nerve to suggest that I might have overreacted to the whole situation, implying that my wedding wasn't the only important thing happening that day and it was not that big of a deal. I was stunned. It felt like I was talking to a wall this whole time and he didn't get a single word I said. It was as if my feelings were less valid because he was having a hard time managing his commitments. I left that meeting feeling more confused and hurt than ever.
Starting point is 04:25:43 So, I'm turning to you for some perspective. Ida for being upset that my dad chose to prioritize his stepdaughter over me, not just on my wedding day but consistently throughout my life. I feel justified in my feelings, but the way he flipped the script has me second-guessing myself. I've always tried to be understanding and forgiving, but this feels like the last straw. I don't want to completely cut him out of my life, but I also can't keep being hurt by his actions. What should I do? How do I set boundaries without burning bridges?
Starting point is 04:26:17 Any advice or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated. Update 1, it's been a couple of weeks since my last post, and I've got an update to share. Last weekend, I unexpectedly ran into my dad at a family gathering. Despite my initial hesitation, I decided to stay and try to keep things civil. Unfortunately, the situation quickly became uncomfortable. As the event progressed, my dad started making comments that felt like thinly veiled criticisms of my life choices. He kept emphasizing the importance of traditional family values, which seemed like a direct jab at my decisions. Things took a turn to for the worse when he casually mentioned how unfortunate it was that I had not to have him walk me down
Starting point is 04:27:00 the aisle at my wedding and instead had some random man. The way he phrased it implied that I had deliberately ruined a special family moment, deflecting the blame. Throughout the gathering, my dad, like a classic narcissist, continued to make remarks that minimized my experiences and decisions. He spoke about family values in a way that seemed targeted at me, implying that my choices somehow went against these ideals. Despite my attempts to steer the conversation to neutral topics, he persistently returned to these sensitive subjects. It became very clear that my dad was more interested in promoting his view of how things should be rather than trying to understand my perspective. His comments and attitude just created a tense atmosphere. What angered me more was
Starting point is 04:27:44 it was not even our party and I could see my relatives judging us. Eventually, I felt compelled to leave earlier than planned, because I couldn't stand everyone's judgment. Moreover, the constant pressure and subtle jabs from my dad had become too much to bear, and I needed to remove myself from the situation. Now that I've had a chance to reflect, I realize that Dad is not changing his behavior at all. This encounter has only reinforced my belief that my dad is more invested in maintaining his own narrative than in understanding or supporting me. One particular thing that I have noticed about Dad is that he always has his emotional
Starting point is 04:28:20 blow-ups in front of a huge group of people so that there could be a scene. He's not interested in having a conversation or solving anything, he just wants to embarrass me. It's becoming increasingly clear that he sees nothing wrong with his actions and is completely unaware of how he's made me feel over the years. I'm starting to understand that I need to focus on my own well-being and happiness. But it's definitely very hard. I'm grateful for the support I've received here on Reddit. Your support means more than you know. It's helping me navigate these complicated situations and figure out my next steps. Till then, I would love some advice from you guys.
Starting point is 04:28:59 Update 2, Hey guys, I'm here with another update, and this one's really thrown me for a loop. Recently, I caught up with a cousin who attended Lily's wedding, and what she told me is that it has left me dumbfounded. During our conversation, my friend casually mentioned something about Lily's wedding that caught me completely off guard. Apparently, Lily had been quite open about her choice of wedding date, revealing that she deliberately selected the same date as my wedding. This wasn't just a coincidence or an oversight, it was, in Lily's own words, a power move. According to my friend, Lily openly bragged about this
Starting point is 04:29:35 decision at her wedding. She told guests that choosing the same date was her way of asserting her place in the family. She wanted to ensure that everyone would remember her big day, even if it meant overshadowing mine. And apparently, she also had reasons for it. She told everyone that I was always jealous of her, and would often have arguments with Dad and her mom about her. As I have already mentioned in my story, yes, I was jealous of her for a while. But I never blamed her or argued with my stepmom about anything. Even at my lowest, I was mature enough to not hate her. The only person I blamed for my trauma was Dad, because he was the one choosing to neglect me. While we have brought up dad, Lily also said all kinds of stuff about him.
Starting point is 04:30:22 She told the people at the party that he wanted to ruin her day because he never really loved her as his daughter. He only took care of her because he wanted her mother's money. He was never there when she needed him and was busy catering to his ex-wife and daughter. What surprised me the most was how could my stepmom listen to all of this when she knew the truth. She was a very kind woman when I was a kid but at this point, I guess I really know no one. Anyway, my friend overheard Lily discussing this with some of her bridesmaids. They were laughing about my reaction to the date clash, dismissing my concerns as overly dramatic.
Starting point is 04:30:59 It seems they found amusement in my distress over the situation. This explains a lot of stuff. Now we know why there was so much resistance when I initially raised concerns about the date clash. I think she made the elaborate plan of asking Dad to walk her down the aisle so that he would comply with her schemes, but when she knew that he was not needed, she threw him away like trash. At the time, I was told it was purely coincidental and that changing the date would be too difficult. Now, it's clear that this was all part of Lily's calculated plan. I wish that I could pity Dad but this is just his karma getting to him. I've been trying to piece together other incidents that might make more sense in light of this information. There were several occasions where Lily seemed to go
Starting point is 04:31:43 out of her way to one-up me or draw attention to herself during family events. At the time, I brushed these off as just a random incident or misunderstandings. For example, it could not have been a mere coincidence that she was going through a breakdown while I was getting surgery. Whenever there was an important event in my life, somehow Lily also had something going on. Now, I'm seeing a pattern that I hadn't fully recognized before. At the same time, I'm also thinking about my relatives' reaction to this. Is everybody present at Lily's wedding seeing me as the villain? I honestly don't know how to proceed.
Starting point is 04:32:21 Part of me wants to confront Lily about this, to call her out on her behavior. But another part of me wonders if it's worth the emotional energy, given her past responses to my concerns. I'm considering reaching out to other family members to see if they are aware of this situation. However, I'm hesitant to potentially create more family drama or be seen as stirring up trouble. For now, I've decided to take a step back from family gatherings. I've declined the next few invitations, citing work commitments. This has given me some much-needed space to process everything and consider my next steps.
Starting point is 04:32:57 I've also started seeing a therapist to help me navigate these complex family dynamics. It's been helpful to have a neutral party to discuss these issues with and to get strategies for setting healthy boundaries. Looking ahead, I'm not sure what my relationship with Lily and the rest of the family will look like. I know I need to prioritize my own mental health, even if that means creating more distance between us. I'm grateful for this Reddit community and the support you've shown me through all of this. Your insights and advice have been invaluable as I navigate this challenging situation. I'll keep you updated as things develop. Thanks for listening and for being a sounding board as I work through all of this. I'm not sure what hurts more, the fact that Lily went out of her way
Starting point is 04:33:41 despite me her whole life or that my dad was not even once able to uncover her facade. This bombshell has made me re-evaluate my entire relationship with both of them. I am so grateful for the support and validation I've received from you all. It's reassuring to know that I'm not overreacting and that my feelings are valid. So, a big, thanks to all of you. Update 3, hey everyone, I'm back with what's likely to be my final update for a while. I've taken some big steps to address the situation with my dad and Lily, and I wanted to share them with you all. After everything that's happened, my husband suggested we take a short getaway to clear our heads.
Starting point is 04:34:22 During this time, I really reflected on the whole situation and came to some tough decisions. With encouragement from friends and this amazing Reddit community, I decided it was time to set some firm boundaries. Last week, I arranged to meet my dad at his place. I went in with a clear plan and was determined to lay everything out on the table. I told him about how his actions, or often lack thereof, have hurt me deeply over the years. I specifically addressed his recent behavior around the weddings and made it clear that it was unacceptable. As I expected, my dad didn't take it well at first. He tried to flip the script, accusing me of being unreasonable and claiming that I was the one tearing the family apart by holding grudges.
Starting point is 04:35:05 but this time, I didn't back down. I stood my ground and told him point-blank that if he didn't listen to what I had to say, he was at risk of losing me forever. The conversation was intense and lasted for hours. We rehashed old arguments and brought up years of unresolved issues. This time, I didn't wait to listen to his side anymore, because that is what was happening till now, and this was going to be my moment. As for Lily, I've decided to go no contact with her. It's become painfully clear that she doesn't see me as family and has no qualms about hurting me to get what she wants. I explained this to my dad as well, making it clear that I wouldn't be attending any family events where she was present. I did not go into a lot of detail about what I've heard Lily say about my dad because he would have just seen it as me bad-mouthing her.
Starting point is 04:35:54 I was a little disappointed in my stepmom because I used to see her as a mother figure, but with everyone switching sides, I am not surprised anymore. This decision hasn't been easy, and I know it might cost me my relationships with other family members. Some might believe Lily's version of events or side with her out of convenience. But I've reached a point where I'm okay with that. If I'm going to lose family over lies and manipulation, then so be it. My mental health and well-being have to come first. Moving forward, I'm focusing on building a positive, supportive environment with my husband and the people who genuinely care about me. I've started reaching out to old friends I've neglected and even joined a local book club to meet new people.
Starting point is 04:36:38 I want to express my deepest gratitude to all of you here on Reddit. Your advice, support, and sometimes tough love have been a guiding light during this incredibly difficult time. You've helped me find the strength to stand up for myself and prioritize my own happiness. Thank you all again. I may not be updating as frequently, but know that your support has made a world of difference, wishing you all the best. I hope you enjoy this story. Mill desired for me to resign from my occupation and transition into a sacred song or allow my barren windowsill to care for my child, as she believes I am an inadequate mother for entrusting him to
Starting point is 04:37:16 someone else. A grandma while I'm at work. Hi everyone. My name is Sasha, 35F, and my husband, Richard, 39M, and I have a son together named Oliver, 4M. And my mother-in-law, Brenda, 67F, has made such a weird demand out of me that I don't even know how to react. Let me back up a bit and tell you about our family dynamics. I've always been a working woman, and my mother-in-law, Brenda, has always had a problem with that. Now, the thing is, my husband has his own successful business and is more than capable of being the sole earner of the family. However, I also love my job and the financial security that comes with it, so I never wanted to give it up.
Starting point is 04:38:01 But Brenda, being the traditional woman she is, has always tried to push me to quit my job. One of the first major instances was when we had Thanksgiving dinner a few years ago. We were all sitting around the table and the conversation shifted to everyone's careers. I mentioned a big project I was working on and how excited I was about it. Brenda looked at me with this disapproving stare and said, You know, dear, you don't have to work if you don't want to. Your husband provides very well for the family. It's not too late to be more involved at home.
Starting point is 04:38:34 It was like she completely dismissed my career and the passion I have for it. Then, there was the time we were at a family gathering for my husband's birthday. Brenda made a big deal about how she was so proud of her son for being such a successful businessman. Then she turned to me and said, I hope you realize how lucky you are to have such a supportive husband. Maybe it's time you considered focusing more on being a homemaker. It's important for families to have that balance. The way she said it made me feel like my role and contributions at work were somehow less valuable.
Starting point is 04:39:08 Another instance was during a summer barbecue. I was talking about an upcoming promotion I was up for and how excited I was to take on new challenges at work. Brenda didn't say much at first, but later, while we were clearing the table, she pulled me aside and said, you know, working so hard might not be the best thing. You should think about what's truly important being there for your family. A job can be replaced, but family is forever. It felt like a subtle jab, implying that my dedication to my career was somehow harming my family, which was frustrating and disheartening.
Starting point is 04:39:42 The most recent instance was during our Christmas family dinner. I was discussing how I had been working late nights to meet a deadline and how proud I was of the progress I was making. Brenda, in her usual fashion, sighed and said, really should think about scaling back. Your husband and I both think you're working too hard. It's time to enjoy life more and focus on what truly matters. It's like she's always trying to convince me that my career is a burden, and I should be content with just being at home. In every one of these situations, Brenda's comments seem to reflect her own beliefs about
Starting point is 04:40:17 traditional gender roles and what she thinks a woman's place should be. It's not just that she's suggesting I quit my job, it's the way she makes me feel as though my ambitions and career are somehow less important than conforming to her ideals. I've tried to explain my perspective to her, that my job is not just a source of income, but also a part of who I am and something that brings me fulfillment. But every time, she just waves it off, saying things like, well, everyone has their own priorities, with this undertone that implies mine are misplaced. Things changed a lot when I got pregnant with Oliver. Brenda had this assumption that as soon as I found out I was pregnant, I'd automatically quit my job and embrace the role of a stay-at-home mom. She seemed to have
Starting point is 04:40:59 this vision in her head of what motherhood should look like, and it definitely didn't include a pregnant woman working. When I was around six months pregnant, I was still working full-time, and that's when Brenda's pressure really started to ramp up. One day, she came over to visit and noticed I was still working on a project from home. She immediately started in on me. She immediately started in on me with, you know, dear, it's really important to take it easy now that you're so far along. You should think about quitting your job. It's better for both you and the baby. Her tone was so insistent, it felt like she was almost trying to dictate my life decisions. Another instance was when I was at her house for a family dinner. I was tired and in the middle of preparing a
Starting point is 04:41:42 presentation for work, and she saw me struggling to balance everything. She looked at me with a concerned expression and said, Honey, you're about to become a mother. It's time to think about what's best for your child. Working while pregnant is one thing, but you should really consider taking a break and focusing on your family. It's what's best for everyone.
Starting point is 04:42:04 Her pressure wasn't just verbal. It also felt like she was trying to undermine my choices by always suggesting that my job was secondary to being a mother. During another visit, she gave me a stack of brochures for parenting classes and said, I've signed up for a few of these myself. I think you'd benefit from them, and it might give you a chance to think about taking some time off work. She acted like she was being helpful,
Starting point is 04:42:27 but it felt like another way to push me towards quitting my job. One particularly frustrating moment was during a weekend family gathering. I was at a point where I had a lot of deadlines and was feeling pretty overwhelmed. Brenda took one look at me and said, You know, you're working so hard. You should be at home, resting and. and preparing for motherhood. It was as if she couldn't grasp that I was handling things just fine
Starting point is 04:42:51 and that my work was also a significant part of my life. Even when we had a heart to heart about how I planned to balance work in motherhood, Brenda seemed to have her own agenda. I told her that I intended to take maternity leave and then return to work part-time. She looked at me with disbelief and disapproval and said, you know, it's great that you're planning to return, but I really think it's important for you to prioritize being home with a baby. There's no substitute for a mother's presence. It felt like she couldn't accept that my choice to work part-time wasn't an attempt to neglect my role as a mother, but rather a way to balance both my career and my family. After Oliver was born, I was on maternity leave, and as I'd always planned, I was getting ready to return to work.
Starting point is 04:43:35 Brenda, on the other hand, seemed to take this as a golden opportunity to insert herself into every aspect of my life. She started coming over more frequently, not to offer help, but to critique and comment on everything I was doing. One instance that really stands out is when she showed up unexpectedly one afternoon while I was trying to get Oliver into a nap routine. I was already exhausted from the sleepless nights and trying to figure out a schedule that worked for both me and the baby. Brenda walked in and immediately started inspecting the nursery. She looked around, raised an eyebrow and said, You know, I read that babies sleep better in a room that's kept a bit cooler.
Starting point is 04:44:14 You should think about adjusting the temperature. It felt like she was undermining every choice I'd made about Oliver's care, and it was incredibly disheartening. Then there was the time she came over while I was trying to manage Oliver's feeding schedule. I was pumping and feeding him from a bottle, and Brenda decided it was the perfect moment to discuss the benefits of direct breastfeeding and tell me how it is better for kids. now some of you might think that she was just trying to give Oliver the best.
Starting point is 04:44:40 But the truth is that she always said things in such a condescending tone that would boil my blood. The situation got even more overwhelming when she started coming over during my work hours. I had a few meetings lined up and was trying to balance working from home while also caring for Oliver. Brenda would just pop in and start rearranging things or giving unsolicited advice on how I should manage my time. One day, I was in the middle of a Zoom call with a client, and Brenda barged into the room, asking something that I didn't even remember at the moment. It was incredibly distracting and made it hard to focus on my work. Richard and I had a serious talk about how to handle the situation. We were both feeling frustrated with Brenda's constant intrusion and her habit of critiquing our
Starting point is 04:45:24 parenting choices. We decided it was time to set some boundaries. Richard called Brenda to discuss it, and we had her over- for a sit-down meeting at our house. We were calm but firm, explaining that while we appreciated her concern and advice, we needed her to respect our decisions and give us space to figure things out on our own. Brenda was surprised and defensive. She initially protested, saying things like, I'm only trying to help. I just want what's best for Oliver. It was clear that she didn't fully understand how her actions were impacting us. She seemed to take our request as a personal rejection rather than a necessary step for us to establish our own parenting style. I was relieved
Starting point is 04:46:07 because I knew we had to draw the line and establish some boundaries for our own well-being and for the health of our family dynamic. At the same time, I felt guilty because I knew Brenda meant well, even if her methods were overwhelming and intrusive. It was tough to balance standing up for our own choices with the desire to maintain a good relationship with her. After the conversation, Brenda's visits became less frequent, and she started to respect the back. boundaries we'd set. However, there was still a noticeable shift in our relationship. She seemed a bit distant and hurt, which was hard to navigate, but at least the constant pressure and critique had eased. After some time, I went back to the office, and Richard, and I did
Starting point is 04:46:48 everything we could to ensure Oliver was well taken care of. We hired a nanny, found a great daycare, and made sure to spend as much quality time with Oliver as we could. Despite our best efforts, Brenda didn't completely let go of her critical attitude. Every so often, she would drop these snide comments that really got under my skin. One day, we were hosting a small family lunch, and I was talking about how great our nanny was and how well Oliver was adjusting to the daycare. Brenda took a sip of her coffee, looked at me with this almost pitying expression, and said, well, at least Oliver's in good hands during the day. I just hope he's not missing out on too much of his parents' time. Her tone was so condescending as if implying that we weren't doing
Starting point is 04:47:33 enough for our child. It was incredibly frustrating because she wasn't seeing the full picture of how much effort we were putting in. There was also the occasion when we were having dinner with Brenda, and she brought up a recent milestone that Oliver had achieved at daycare. She said, oh, that's nice to hear. I just hope you're not letting someone else do all the important stuff while you're at work. It was one of those moments where her comment felt. like a direct attack on our parenting choices, even though she tried to mask it as a concern. The most frustrating instance was during one of her surprise visits. She showed up unannounced while we were getting ready for an evening out. We had hired a babysitter for the night, and Brenda
Starting point is 04:48:14 noticed Oliver was getting settled with the sitter. She said, I guess it's nice that you get a break every now and then. Just remember, the best memories are made when parents are fully present. Her comments made me feel like we were failing in some way, even though we were doing our best to ensure Oliver was loved and cared for. I started to get used to brushing off these comments, but they still stung every time. It was hard not to feel defensive when it seemed like Brenda was constantly questioning our choices and implying that we weren't giving Oliver the attention he deserved. I knew deep down that we were doing everything we could to provide a loving environment for him. But Brenda's snide remarks made me second-guess ourselves more often than I would
Starting point is 04:48:55 have liked. However, for the past few months, Brenda has been on overdrive with her critiques about how we're supposedly ignoring Oliver's needs. It's been incredibly hard to set boundaries with her, and her comments have been getting more and more intense. The worst was when she flat out told me that I either needed to become a stay-at-home mom or hand Oliver over to my sister-in-law, Rebecca, 31F. I was absolutely shocked at what she was suggesting. Brenda's argument was that, since Oliver spent some of his time with the nanny while Richard and I are at work, we might as well just let Rebecca take care of him. She said, you know, since you're clearly so busy with your job, maybe you should consider having Rebecca look after Oliver full-time. That way, he'd have constant care and you wouldn't have
Starting point is 04:49:41 to worry about it. I was dumbfounded. It felt like she was dismissing all the effort we'd put into finding a good balance and assuming that anyone else could just step in and do a better job. When I heard that suggestion, I was livid. I told her outright that she was crazy for even suggesting it. I said, Brenda, that's not a solution. I am not just going to hand Oliver over to Rebecca like he's some sort of burden. We have a plan that works for us, and I'm not going to let you dictate what's best for our child. I was shaking with anger, feeling completely overwhelmed by her lack of respect for our choices and her need to control the situation. Brenda's response was even more infuriating.
Starting point is 04:50:23 She said, well, you know that Rebecca is infertile and you're already handing him over to the nanny during the day. It's not like you're there with him all the time anyway. At least with Rebecca, he'd have family around him and not just a hired caregiver. To top it off, she had the nerve to accuse me of being ungrateful and a bad mom for choosing to continue working. She said, you're so focused on your career that you're forgetting what's really important. A mother's place is at home with her child, and you're not being fair to Oliver.
Starting point is 04:50:54 Richard was equally flabbergasted by Brenda's suggestions. When I relayed the conversation to him, he was furious. We both agreed that Brenda had crossed a line, and it was time to put a firm stop to her interference. Richard took it upon himself to address the situation directly. He told her, Brenda, we've heard enough. Your constant criticism and suggestions are out of line. We've made decisions about our family that work for us, and we don't need you dictating how we should raise our child. We've set boundaries, and you need to respect them.
Starting point is 04:51:28 Richard's words were firm and clear, but I could see Brenda was hurt and defensive. She tried to argue that she was only trying to help and that her intentions were good, but we made it clear that her help was neither needed nor wanted in this matter. We told her that her suggestions were not only inappropriate, but also undermine the careful balance we'd worked hard to achieve. We made it clear that we would not tolerate any further discussions on this topic and that she should never bring it up again. Things calmed down for a bit after our confrontation with Brenda. I thought maybe she had finally gotten the message and would back off. That was until one Tuesday when I had a major scare, I texted our nanny to check in on how Oliver was doing, and her response completely threw me off.
Starting point is 04:52:10 She told me that Brenda had shown up unexpectedly, said she'd take over, and instructed the nanny to leave. I was shocked and instantly worried. I tried calling Brenda right away, but she didn't pick up. My heart was racing as I grabbed my things and left the office to head home. I couldn't shake the feeling of panic as I made my way back. When I arrived at our house, I noticed the main door was unlocked. I called out for Oliver and Brenda, but there was no risk. My anxiety spiked as I rushed inside. I went straight to Oliver's room and what I saw there made my blood boil. Brenda was in the middle of packing Oliver's things into a bag.
Starting point is 04:52:53 She looked up, startled, as I burst through the door. I demanded to know what she was doing, and at first, she tried to play a cool, saying, oh, I'm just helping out. I was just organizing his things. I was furious, and my mind was racing with anger. Helping out? You've got to be kidding me, I snapped. You don't just show up and take my child without even asking me.
Starting point is 04:53:20 What the hell do you think you're doing? When Brenda realized I wasn't going to let her off the hook, she admitted that she intended to take Oliver to Rebecca's place. I just thought it would be best for Oliver to be with family, she said. He needs more attention and stability, and since you're so busy, Rebecca can give him that. I was so enraged that I felt like I couldn't think straight. My blood was boiling, and I felt like I was about to explode.
Starting point is 04:53:47 No, I said firmly, get out. I don't want to hear any of your excuses. You have no right to make these decisions for us or for Oliver. I wasn't going to tolerate any more of Brenda's overstepping, especially when it came to my child's well-being. I grabbed the packed bag from her hands and told her to leave the house immediately. Her face was a mix of shock and hurt, but I was beyond caring. I couldn't believe she had the audacity to come into our home, disregard our boundaries,
Starting point is 04:54:16 and try to take Oliver away without even discussing it with us first. It was a complete violation of our trust and our parenting decisions. As Brenda left, she tried to apologize and explain that she only wanted what was best for Oliver. but I wasn't interested in hearing her justifications. I needed to make it clear that she had crossed a line, and this kind of behavior was completely unacceptable. I made it clear that any future interventions or unsolicited decisions about Oliver's care would not be tolerated. I immediately called Richard to let him know what had happened. He was as shocked as I was and agreed that Brenda had seriously overstepped.
Starting point is 04:54:55 We both knew that we needed to set even firmer boundaries moving forward. Richard and I spent the rest of the evening calming down and discussing how to handle the situation. We decided that it was time to have another serious conversation with Brenda, this time with the goal of establishing clear, non-negotiable boundaries regarding her involvement in our family life. That evening, we headed over to Brenda's house. We were both seething, and Richard was especially adamant that we needed to make a strong statement. When we arrived, we laid it all out for Brenda. We told her that this was the last strong.
Starting point is 04:55:30 She had crossed a major line, and we were seriously considering pressing charges against her. We didn't even know if we had enough grounds to do it, but we wanted her to know that we were prepared to go all the way if necessary. We also mentioned that we had security cameras installed at our house, including in the rooms where she'd been caught trying to take Oliver. We said, we have video evidence of you trying to take Oliver. This is serious, and we won't just let it slide. Honestly, we were hoping, that this threat would be enough to scare her into backing off without us actually needing to involve the authorities. Brenda's reaction was immediate and desperate. She started begging us not to
Starting point is 04:56:09 press charges, pleading with us to reconsider. She kept saying things like, I didn't mean to overstep. I just want what's best for all of her. Please don't do this. It was clear that she was scared and finally realized the severity of her actions. We told her flat out that if she wanted to avoid any legal trouble, she needed to stay away from us and our family. We emphasized that we would not tolerate any more interference or unsolicited advice about how we should raise our son. If you care about our relationship at all, Richard said, you'll respect our boundaries from now on and stay out of our lives. After laying down the law, we left her house. The whole ordeal was exhausting, and I couldn't help but feel conflicted. Part of me felt like maybe we'd let her off too easy,
Starting point is 04:56:57 especially considering the gravity of what she tried to do. It was a tough call, and while the immediate threat was dealt with, I still worried about ensuring that Brenda wouldn't try to cross any more boundaries in the future. For now, it might be best to limit or even cut off contact with Brenda for a while. This would give us time to establish our boundaries clearly and give Brenda a chance to understand the seriousness of our demands. I'd love to hear any additional suggestions or advice from anyone who has been in a similar situation. It's important to me that I'm doing everything possible to protect my son and ensure that our family can move forward without further issues.
Starting point is 04:57:36 Update 1, after everything that had happened with Brenda, I thought I'd finally caught a break. But then, a few days later, I received a call from Rebecca. She asked if we could meet, and since I was still reeling from the whole situation, I agreed. She came over to our house the same day, and I was bracing myself for whatever might come next. When Rebecca arrived, she was clearly upset. She explained that she had found out what had happened and was really angry herself. She told me that Brenda had been lying to her, claiming that I was overwhelmed with work and wanted to hand over Oliver to her.
Starting point is 04:58:12 Brenda had painted a completely false picture of the situation. Rebecca was furious when she learned the truth because Brenda had also told her that I didn't want to deal with Oliver and that I was embarrassed about failing as a mother. It was all a twisted manipulation to justify Brenda's own action. Rebecca's anger was palpable as she shared how Brenda had been criticizing me and manipulating her own daughter. She said, I had no idea Brenda was saying these things about you. She told me you were struggling and that you were too embarrassed to admit it. I thought you were actually okay with the idea of Oliver staying with me. I was livid hearing this.
Starting point is 04:58:50 Brenda's deceit was far worse than I had imagined. Not only had she tried to take Oliver from us, but she had also been actively spreading lies and manipulating Rebecca to support her actions. It was a huge betrayal, not just to me but to Rebecca as well. Rebecca went on to explain that she and her partner had been trying to have a child for the past five years without success. This situation had left her feeling particularly vulnerable and caught up in Brenda's scheme. She said, I would never have tried to step in like this if I'd known the real situation. It hurt me to think that Brenda might have used my own hopes and struggles against you.
Starting point is 04:59:28 Hearing Rebecca's side of the story made me realize how deep Brenda's manipulation had gone. I was relieved that Rebecca wasn't part of the scheme willingly, but sad that Brenda had caused so much unnecessary pain. I told Rebecca that we were both victims of Brenda's deceit and that there was no reason for her to feel guilty. It's not your fault, I said. Brenda has been crossing boundaries and manipulating everyone. around her. You were misled, and I'm sorry you had to be caught up in this mess.
Starting point is 04:59:57 Rebecca was grateful for my understanding and apologized for any confusion or hurt caused. We talked about how we could move forward from here. I assured her that I valued our relationship and that we needed to keep communication open to avoid any more misunderstandings. We both agreed that Brenda had to be the focal point of our concerns right now and that we needed to support each other to deal with her. In the aftermath of the meeting with Rebecca, a bit of weight lift off my shoulders. At least now, Rebecca and I were on the same page, and I no longer had to worry about Brenda's manipulation affecting our relationship. I felt more determined than ever to keep our family's boundaries strong and to protect Oliver from
Starting point is 05:00:37 any further interference. Update 2, Brenda has crossed all lines. It's been two weeks since I last posted here, hoping things would settle down. But they haven't. In fact, they've gotten even worse. Yesterday, I went to pick up Oliver from his daycare, and to my shock, they told me he had already been picked up. I asked them who had taken him, and they casually mentioned that his grandma had come by. Brenda used to pick Oliver up before everything went down, so the daycare staff didn't think twice when she showed up again. I was livid. I told them to never let this happen again and stormed out of the center. I called Brenda immediately, and to my surprise, answered. I demanded to know where she was and where my son was. She answered nonchalantly that
Starting point is 05:01:28 she just missed Oliver and had picked him up to spend some time with him. She said she was at her house. I was beyond furious. I ended the call and drove straight to her place. When I arrived, Brenda was in her living room, sitting comfortably with Oliver playing nearby. I didn't waste any time. I grabbed Oliver and put him in the car, all while trying to keep my composure. I told Brenda bluntly that this was the final straw. I made it clear that we were done with her interfering in our lives and that she was never to see her grandchild again. Brenda tried to protest, saying she didn't mean to cause any worry and was just trying to be
Starting point is 05:02:06 a loving grandmother. I didn't want to hear any more excuses. I told her that I didn't care about her intentions and that we would be filing for a restraining order. Her face fell, and she looked genuinely hurt, but I was done with her manipulative behavior. I left her house without another word. When Richard came home later that evening, I filled him in on what had happened. He was as outraged as I was and agreed that we needed to take serious legal action. We both felt that Brenda's audacity was escalating, and it was clear that she wasn't going to
Starting point is 05:02:38 respect our boundaries unless there were real consequences. Richard suggested we definitely seek legal counsel and look into filing a restraining order as soon as possible. It's been incredibly draining dealing with Brenda's constant interference. Her actions have made it clear that she's unwilling to respect our family's boundaries without some form of legal deterrent. It's frustrating to have to take such drastic measures, but we both agree that it's necessary to protect our family and ensure that Brenda stops trying to control our lives. We're now in the process of finding a lawyer who can guide us through filing for a restraining order. We want to make sure that we're taking all the right steps to keep Brenda away and protect Oliver
Starting point is 05:03:18 from any further attempts at manipulation or interference. The whole situation has made me feel like I'm constantly on edge, and it's hard to find any peace of mind knowing that Brenda might try something else. Update 3, Hi everyone. I wanted to give you all a quick update and let you know how things are going. First off, a huge thank you for all the support and advice you've shared. shared. It's been really helpful during this stressful time. So, we've decided to move forward with filing a restraining order against Brenda. We're currently working with a lawyer to get everything in place.
Starting point is 05:03:53 It's a bit of a process, but we're making progress. We want to make sure that we're taking all the necessary steps to protect our family and to send a clear message that Brenda's behavior is unacceptable. In the meantime, we're being extra vigilant. Brenda has been relentless with her attempts to reach out. She's been texting and calling, sending long apologies, angry rants, and everything in between. It's honestly exhausting dealing with her constant messages. Some of them are pleading for forgiveness, while others are accusatory, blaming us for the situation. This will be my last update on this situation for now. I'm hoping that the restraining order will help us finally put an end to Brenda's interference and allow us to move forward. I appreciate all the kind words and
Starting point is 05:04:40 you've given. It's made a big difference in how we're handling things and thank you. I hope you enjoy this story. Discovered my spouse being unfaithful, which led to me sabotaging their online reputation and initiating divorce proceedings. Hey everyone, I'm a 28-year-old male. Around three weeks ago, I found out that my partner was involved in infidelity. wife of less than a year, Bianca, 27F, had been cheating on me. When Bianca and I started dating, she told me she had recently broken up with her ex-boyfriend, whom she had dated for three years and was currently single. I was also single then and had not dated for two years because my previous relationship left me
Starting point is 05:05:26 scarred. Since we both had been hurt from our last relationship, Bianca and I promised to never cheat or do anything that would hurt each other. I knew I would keep to my end of the promise and hoped Bianca would do the same. We dated for two years and some months before we got married. Being with Bianca brought me the most happiness out of all my exes. She was a natural humorist and always had a way of making the people around her smile. The first few months of our marriage were filled with laughter and fun.
Starting point is 05:05:57 I always looked forward to being with her. While Bianca was a social media influencer and had her own honest, online store, I worked as a data analyst for a big tech firm in our town. I'll admit that there were days when my job was so demanding that I didn't spend enough time with Bianca as promised. In a month, I would miss our dates twice because I was either overwhelmed with completing a task at the office or completely forgot we were supposed to attend a function together. Each time this happened, I tried to make it up to her, which would settle it. Her favorite chocolate with Snickers, and gifting her a box of Snickers or a few bars always made her happy.
Starting point is 05:06:36 Six months after we married, my company allowed me to work three weeks remotely and one week on site. When this happened, I was glad I could finally spend more time with Bianca since her social media influence was something she did remotely. She was also happy when I told her about my new work schedule, and things started returning to how it was for us. Within the first four weeks I started working remotely, I noticed something off with Bianca. I knew always being on her phone was part of her job as an influencer, but I noticed something else. Every time Bianca was on her phone and I walked close to her, I saw she would quickly change the app she was on and would switch to something else. Even though I wasn't standing next to her, I could tell what she did by her body
Starting point is 05:07:20 and finger movements. Aside from that, she became secretive with her laptop, and each time she heard my voice or I walked in her direction, she would close the laptop and pretend she wasn't using it. Everything always happened so fast, but she never knew I had been observing her. One day, when I couldn't take it anymore, I confronted her about it. She said that I was being ridiculous and that she had nothing to hide from me. That day, she was doing something on her laptop, and she even asked me to come and take a look to clear my curiosity. I did, and there was nothing suspicious about it. She even showed me her conversations on all her social media accounts, which were strictly work conversations.
Starting point is 05:08:05 In the two years and some months Bianca and I had dated, that was the first she allowed me to read her chats. While we dated, we used to have access to each other's phones, but I never checked or went through her chats with her clients because I felt it was confidential. I had no reason to even go through them. I trusted her, but after she showed me the conversations by herself, I strongly felt something was amiss. It was very unlike her to show me the activities on her laptop or her phone conversation on her own. Maybe she thought she could mislead me by showing me the conversation she wanted me to see, but I didn't fall for it. I could quickly tell when someone was acting shady, and with all the stories I had read here on Reddit, I couldn't ignore the feeling that Bianca was hiding something from me.
Starting point is 05:08:50 Some days passed, and I didn't mention the issue of her being sneaky with her phone and laptop again. I kept watching her to be sure I wasn't making false allegations before taking action. A few days after the confrontation, Bianca had a few of her influencer friends over for a small get-together at our place. We all had a great time together, but Bianca was a bit distracted. Even when everyone was eating, laughing, and having a nice time together, Bianca kept texting. someone between meals. It happened numerous times that even her friends noticed. One of them was forced to ask her whom she kept texting. When she looked up and saw everyone's eyes were on her, she dropped her phone on the table, faked a smile, and said it was work-related and she was done.
Starting point is 05:09:39 No one said anything after that, and we all continued to eat. After the guests were gone and we were cleaning up, Bianca brought up the topic of the client she kept texting all the while during the evening. She said the client wanted her to be his brand ambassador for a skincare product and promote his product for a year. Now, this is a very normal conversation to have with your spouse, but it wasn't normal for us because Bianca never discussed her clients or what they wanted her to do for them. Regarding our profession, she just did her thing, and I did mine. So, her starting a conversation about her client felt off to me. It was almost like she was trying to give an excuse for her action before I asked her. about it. I didn't say much after she did. I only smiled and pretended to be a part of the
Starting point is 05:10:27 conversation. Meanwhile, a thousand thoughts were already running through my head. I already knew I wouldn't find anything on her phone or laptop that could show she was cheating on me, as I suspected, but I came up with the idea of listening to her conversation. There's this app that allows you to see what another person is doing on their phone, listen to their conversations, and see their messages. To do this, I had to install the app on my phone and her phone. That way, I could listen to her calls and see everyone she chatted with. The reason I was so jumpy to find out if Bianca was cheating on me,
Starting point is 05:11:03 even when she didn't act strange around me or change her attitude towards me, was because I had been cheated on in my last relationship. And even though I told Bianca I loved her and believed she wouldn't cheat on me, a part of me was still looking for cheating signs. I consciously read meaning to everything, even when it was normal because I didn't want to ignore the red flags as I did in my previous relationship. After successfully installing the app on both our phones,
Starting point is 05:11:29 I started my investigation. Truly, Bianca was always chatting with her clients. But there was someone else she chatted with every day, and she was careful enough to not call him or take his calls whenever I was at home or we were together. Two days after I paired my phone with Bianca's phone, she spoke with him for the first time. And the funny thing was, she had known him for years.
Starting point is 05:11:54 He was the same ex-boyfriend she told me she had broken up with. When I listened to their conversations for the first time, it was clear that the guy knew Bianca was married and I worked from home. That evening, Bianca sent me outside to get some groceries because she had forgotten to pick some of them. I was driving to the grocery store when they had that call. He asked Bianca about me, and she told him that I had gone to get groceries. She told him that she pretended to forget the groceries on her way back, so I would go and get them and give them enough time to talk on the phone.
Starting point is 05:12:27 AP was kind enough to tell her to be careful, so I wouldn't catch her, and Bianca said, oh, Jackie would never leave me. He loves me too much to leave me. Poor thing. and after she said that, they laughed and continued to talk about how they would meet later that evening. After listening to all of their conversations, I returned home in anger. When I got home, Bianca asked why I didn't get the groceries again. I lied that I got a call from the office to come and submit something urgently, and she bought it. By the time I got home, she was already dressed and had her makeup on.
Starting point is 05:13:06 She told me she was going to hang out with some of her girlfriends and would be back before midnight, then kissed me on the cheek like she was being truthful and left. As soon as she left, I called one of my friends and told him what I had found out. He offered to come with me to the restaurant Bianca and her boyfriend were going to. When we arrived at the restaurant, we saw Bianca cuddled up with her boyfriend while he was trying to feed her. I just walked up to her, ensured that she saw me, and I walked out of the restaurant. Everything happened so fast, and her facial expression showed she was shocked to see me there with my friend. Immediately, I walked out of her, she got up from her table and followed me.
Starting point is 05:13:48 At first, she wanted to pretend she hadn't done anything wrong, but when she saw my friend recording her, she knew she had been busted. As I expected, she came up with an excuse that she had come to meet with her client and that it wasn't what it looked like, but I didn't say a word to her. My friend and I drove back home, and Bianca arrived shortly after we got home. She came into the house and tried to talk to me, but I was more focused on picking my clothes. We jointly rented the apartment, so I couldn't kick her out even if I wanted to. Instead, I took the stuff I needed and left with my friend that night. Since that night, Bianca has been sending me multiple messages and calling me repeatedly. After weeks of not taking her calls, she sent voice notes of yet another
Starting point is 05:14:34 series of lies. She said that her ex-boyfriend, whom she was cheating with, wanted to connect her with a big client hence she went to meet him. But somehow, she felt cold because of the tiny strapped gown she wore, and he tried to cover her. This was supposed to explain why they were cuddling each other, and she thought I would buy it. Until now, she doesn't know that I paired our phones, and I still see the conversation between them. Just three days ago, I made a recent discovery. There's a contract that Bianca has been doing for more than two months now where the pay is great. Her AP was one of the employees of the brand which she was promoting. This means there was an iota of truth in what she said.
Starting point is 05:15:19 I also found out they have been bad-mouthing their company's products. I guess their love rekindled when he came back into the picture. Now, the thing is, I'm so sure Bianca is not supposed to be involved with any of the company's staff or bad-mouthing the company. If the organization finds out, her contract will be terminated and her image will be tarnished. Regarding the video my friend made, I haven't posted it online as intended because I have mixed feelings about it. For the past years, Bianca has maintained an excellent public image, and even though she gets dragged online by some of her annoying fans, she has not had any serious issues with the brand she influences. Right now, I'm going through so much emotionally, and I want to repay her for her for.
Starting point is 05:16:04 using me like that. I intend to leak the conversation between Bianca and her boyfriend in a video of them together. I hope no one will try to advise me against my plans because my mind is already made up. Most times, I wonder why people get married in the first place because a lot of women are not worth the sacrifices we, men, make for them. In Bianca's case, I thought we would build a family together, but it turned out she's just like every other woman out there who wants to eat her cake can have it. 1, Hello everyone. Thank you for your comments. It's sad that I am only finding out from your comments that influencers have a high infidelity rate. I married Bianca because she looked like she was the one. Besides that, I fell in love with her personality, not her profession,
Starting point is 05:16:52 and we dated for almost three years. Also, I took my time with her before we married to get to know her well, and I thought I knew her well enough before marrying. She told me she had cut off ties with her ex-boyfriend and would never have anything to do with him again, even if he were the last man on earth, her words. I guess I was dumb to fall for her words. My only joy is that I took action immediately after I started suspecting her. Maybe if I still wanted to be the good husband who showers his wife with enough benefits of doubt, I would still be stuck with her now and would be innocently helping her pick the perfect outfit for her girl's night out. So, for my revenge plan. I have posted the video of Bianca and her AP, captured at the restaurant, where they were cozily
Starting point is 05:17:39 snuck into each other. The video was not received well by her fans who called her a cheater. I also leaked the conversation between Bianca and her lover where they were bad-mouting the brand. The good news is that the company she influenced has terminated their contract with her, and her boyfriend has been fired, too. Also, Bianca and her boyfriend had been saying all forms of bad things about a particular product she was promoting, and they talked about how the company had been ripping people off with their substandard product. Bianca was forced to make an online apology. She had to take back everything she said and then had to deal with the company afterward.
Starting point is 05:18:17 When this happened, it not only ruined her reputation with the company that fired her, but also caused a ripple effect with her other contracts. Other brands had to end their contract with her because of how her video and chat spread like wildfire. Because of this, she was literally left with nothing at the end of it all. As if ruining her influence or reputation was not enough, the headlines carried her name about the video of her cheating on her husband. It was so satisfying to have friends call and ask if what they saw online was true, and I assured them that it was. Also, before I shared the video and conversation online, I sent it to her parents. I told them it was officially over
Starting point is 05:18:59 between Bianca and me. I also said some Shty things about Bianca and how she was a disgrace to herself and womanhood. Then I blocked both of their numbers from calling. Two days ago, Bianca showed up at my office and created a scene. I told security I wouldn't see her, but she refused to leave. She wasn't even allowed into the building, but she kept yelling my name and was kicked off the property. Serves her right. Since the evening I moved out of her. the house, I haven't seen her face to face. I had only been following her on Facebook and Instagram to see how messed up everything had been for her. Thank you, everyone, for your kind suggestions and advice. I will make another update soon. Update 2, hello everyone. Thank you for
Starting point is 05:19:49 your comments. It's been a week and some days since I made the last update and I wanted to wait till after the divorce was settled, but something happened yesterday, and I want to share it. Bianca found out that I was the one who leaked the conversation and video online. Maybe her parents told her, but I'm not sure. She was livid when she came to my friend's house, where I was crashing after leaving my apartment. When Bianca came, she started yelling that I had ruined her life and promised she would destroy mine, too. She said so many horrible things. One of them was that she regretted Mary and me and claimed she didn't know what she saw in a low life like me to marry me. She said many
Starting point is 05:20:30 rude things and became violent when she saw my friend recording her again. Because of her anger, she picked up a huge stone from my friend's lawn and threw it at the window from where my friend was recording the stone cracked the window, and my friend's phone fell while he hurried to pull his hand inside the house. I was so furious and went outside to confront her. In the process of us yelling at each other, she brought out a small pen knife and slashed all four tires of my car in my presence. Then she used the knife tip to scratch a long line from the front door to the back door and said, well, how do you like your new car? Then she left. I have never been so angry in my life. Right now, I cannot move my car unless one change all four tires, and I cannot drive the car
Starting point is 05:21:17 around with a long scratch mark. My friend insisted that I sue her in court, and he had everything recorded from inside the house. He will also be suing her for the damage to his window, and he isn't even joking about it. I have decided to sue Bianca because I cannot let her get away with the damage she did. She will pay every penny it costs to replace all tires and spray slash paint my car concerning her social media presence. She has been very quiet lately. The rave about her infidelity and bad-mouthing the brand she was promoting has gone down, but she has not been making her Instagram live videos, reels, and other things she used to do. I also forgot to mention that many people unfollowed her mainly because of the video.
Starting point is 05:22:04 People commented that they used to envy our marriage and how she painted us to be perfect couples online. They even found it difficult to believe she would do such a thing in our first year of marriage, which was meant to be our honeymoon phase. Anyway, what has happened has happened. I cannot condone infidelity just to look perfect in the eyes of people I don't even know. I will make another update once everything has been settled. Thank you for your time. Update 3 Hello, everyone.
Starting point is 05:22:33 I know it has been a while since I made my last update. I had to wait for everything to be finalized before posting again. Thank you for your patience. Meanwhile, I appreciate your support in me suing Bianca for the damaging. as she made. I am overjoyed as I make this update because everything happened just how I wanted it. My friend and I sued Bianca for damages and the court ruled in our favor. Can you all believe Bianca tried to deny shattering my friend's window and slashing my tires? She said I was jealous because she left me for her ex-boyfriend and I slashed the tires to frame her. She didn't even remember
Starting point is 05:23:12 that she was being recorded by my friend and all the evidence we needed was in that video. We told the judge we had a video of her slashing my tires, and the judge asked to see it. When the judge found out that she was lying, she was angry. She asked for an estimate of what it would cost to replace all four tires and spray that part of my car, and I showed it to her. I followed your suggestions and checked for the cost of everything plus workmanship. The judge gladly asked her to pay for them. That same day, she had a case with my friend. The judge didn't let her lie or defend herself because she had seen the video of Bianca being violent and throwing the stone at my friend's window.
Starting point is 05:23:54 She also ruled in my friend's favor, and Bianca was pissed. I enjoyed looking at her angry facial expression. I was thinking her dear boyfriend would be around to support her, but he didn't show up. Two weeks after the court case, the divorce papers were ready, and I had the lawyer send them to her. She didn't even waste time signing them, and we concluded everything. Watching her play victim in the circumstance she created for herself was funny. I'm now happy to announce that Bianca is officially a part of my past. Unlike her, who goes back on her words, I'll never have anything to do with her again.
Starting point is 05:24:32 I have blocked her contact on all mutual social media platforms. Now on to the next story. Story 2 discovered my wife was cheating and my son wasn't mine, so I got revenge by exposing everything. I, 34, recently divorced my ex-wife, 29F, because she cheated on me and destroyed everything we struggled to build together. I met my wife at a bar for a friend's birthday. It wasn't like we went there to relax. We attended my friend's birthday hangout, and she only tagged along with her friend, who knew the celebrant.
Starting point is 05:25:09 At the hangout, we got along well, and I liked her. After the party, we exchanged contacts, and I offered to give her and her friend a ride home. From that night, we became close and chatted occasionally online. During the first few months, I knew her, we didn't see each other because I had a girlfriend then, and my wife and I were only friends. But after my ex-girlfriend broke up with me, my wife and I became close, and in no time, we were inseparable. We ended up dating for two years plus, and we married. In the first year of our marriage, everything was beautiful and pleasing. We both worked hard and tried our best to keep
Starting point is 05:25:50 everything rolling, but in the second year of our marriage, my wife had to stop working because she became pregnant, and her pregnancy had a lot of complications. The complications were so much that I feared the child would not make it, but, thankfully, she gave birth to a healthy baby. Throughout the time she stayed home to rest, I worked morning and night to ensure I raised enough money to pay the bills and take care of other necessary things, including getting baby stuff. Fast forward to after she gave birth, my wife insisted that she remained home to nurse the baby for six months before she resumed work. Even though this meant more responsibility on my shoulder, I agreed to it. I did all of this because I loved my wife and the baby and did not want her to feel uncomfortable. I sacrificed so much, believing that I was making life easier for my wife, but I was only fooling myself and working hard for nothing.
Starting point is 05:26:44 Most people say that when their wives cheat, they are always cues, but even as I share my story, I'm still shocked that my wife could cheat on me under my nose. I will also say I blame myself because I should have been more vigilant, but I didn't see any signs because I trusted her so much and did not think she would cheat on me. It was even more painful that after four years of being married to the woman I thought loved me, I discovered she had been cheating on me from our first year of marriage. The day I found out, I accidentally stumbled upon some intimate voicemails on our home line, and after listening to all of them, I was broken.
Starting point is 05:27:21 So broken that I could not stand up from the ground where I sat. At first, when I heard her voice, I thought there were messages she had left her office since they went way back. Aside from recognizing her voice, I also recognized our next-door neighbor's voice, and the shocking part was he was a pastor and was flirting with my wife. He is the kind of religious church pastor who talks to everyone he meets about God and the rest. He'd even make you feel like some sinner if you didn't listen to him this was his personality. If I say hearing the intimate voicemails between him and my wife came as a shock, it's an understatement. Another shocking thing was that they kept mentioning my son's name in their conversations,
Starting point is 05:28:03 and this neighbor of mine asked after my son almost every time he sent a voicemail, and I had a stomach-churning feeling that there was something I didn't know about. By this time, my son was almost three years old, and all the thoughts of me not being his biological father crossed my mind. So, I secretly conducted a paternity test that same week, and when the results came out, I was shattered. We were not a match. It felt like a bad dream, and I wanted to wake up, but I couldn't because it was reality.
Starting point is 05:28:33 Meanwhile, my attitude towards my wife had totally changed. I was literally like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode, and I wanted to confront her and kick her and her baby out of the house, but I came up with a better plan. A plan that would publicly humiliate her and bring her infidelity to the limelight. For days after I got the paternity test results, I lied to my wife that I had been promoted at the office. and she was so excited. So, to mark my promotion, I suggested that we throw a small party and invite our close neighbors, her parents, and my parents to come and celebrate with me, and she agreed. We made the necessary preparations, and I invited the neighbors myself, including her affair
Starting point is 05:29:16 partner. On D-Day, two days after, her parents and my parents came as I had invited them, and her affair partner with his wife and daughter came too. To mock him, I asked him to him to him to do. do an opening prayer for our party, and he did that with glee. I had already collected evidence of their affair, including phone records and voicemail transcripts. The party started on a good note, and everyone who came congratulated me for the promotion, LOL. While everyone was drinking and gisting, I asked the DJ I hired to change the song to my preferred song, and I paid him extra
Starting point is 05:29:51 to keep it playing no matter how everyone reacted. My preferred song was a compilation of all the voicemails between my wife and my neighbor. When the audio started, nobody understood what was happening until my wife recognized her voice and her app recognized his voice. Not just that, App's wife recognized her husband's voice, and all hell broke loose. She created a scene and hit him continuously in the presence of everyone, and he could not even defend himself. On the other hand, my wife's face turned pale as she froze. While the whole drama between App and his wife was going on, I called everyone's attention and told them my wife had something important to tell me in her family, and she was confused. Her eyes were already filled with tears, and she could not
Starting point is 05:30:37 even look her disappointed parents in the eye. When I told her to go ahead and tell everyone who her son's biological father was, her eyes widened, and she started stuttering. At that point, everyone was quiet, and everyone's eyes were on my wife, including Ab's wife. At this point, I was so mad, and could not contain my anger anymore. I yelled at her, and she hesitated. She mentioned her App's name, and everyone gasped. App's wife fell to the ground in disbelief, and people had to rush to her. At the same time, my wife went on her knees and told me she could explain.
Starting point is 05:31:16 She said something about her app coming over to preach to her on a particular day, and it happened. So, when she found out she was pregnant for him, the only thing she could do was pin the pregnancy on me as her husband. And she didn't tell me because she would hurt my feelings, but as time passed, she and her app got close and fell in love. On the other hand, her app wanted to be in his son's life, so she told him she would tell her son who his biological father was when he turned 18. Hearing this even broke me, and people began to yell at her, calling her names for being so cruel. Her parents left shamefully, and I threw her and her son out of the house.
Starting point is 05:31:56 It's quite painful that she could actually do that to me after all my years of sacrifices and love. The irony is I have listened to so many stories of mismatched paternity results on this channel, but I believe my wife was faithful and could never do something like that. Lull, so much for trust. Anyways, we divorced. But before we divorced, she got a handful from our neighbors. The couple of times she had come to beg me to give her another opportunity, my female neighbors would quickly rush their children away from her whenever they saw her like she was some closet monster.
Starting point is 05:32:31 As for her app, his wife could not stand the shame, so she divorced. I heard something else happen at his church when members learned about his infidelity and child, but it's not my business. He also moved out of the neighborhood after his marriage because he could not stand the looks of disgust and disappointment from the same neighbors he used to preach to. It's barely a year since this happened, and I'm still healing. I advise every father out there or expecting father to conduct a paternity test at birth or before birth if you have doubts. This is the worst kind of heartbreak I have ever experienced, and I hope I heal entirely from it. As for relationships, I doubt I'll be in one any time soon. I'll rather focus on myself and my career and maybe start a business YouTube channel that I've always wanted to.
Starting point is 05:33:19 I hope you enjoy this story. Spouse unjustly accused me of infidelity and tied the knot with someone new just three months after our separation. Not only did my relatives buy into her story, but they also ostracized me from the family circle. I, a 42-year-old male, was once married to a woman named Shannon, and to put it simply, she was crazy. She nearly destroyed my life and wrecked my reputation beyond repair. When I met her for the first time, my younger, more naive self-thought Shannon was everything I ever wanted in a partner. We met on a blind date, set up by mutual friends, and I was hooked. There was just something about her presence, the way she spoke, and how she carried herself that pulled me in right from the start.
Starting point is 05:34:07 However, as much as I was smitten with Shannon, it became clear early on that she didn't feel the same way about me. She was honest and upfront about her feelings, making it clear that she did not share the same romantic interest towards me. Though it stung, I respected her honesty. Over the months, even though Shannon wasn't interested in a romantic relationship with me, we continued to stay in touch. We moved in the same social circles and would occasionally see each other at gatherings or parties hosted by our friends. During these times, I made a conscious effort to keep things friendly between us. I treated her as I would any other acquaintance, always polite, always respectful, but never wanting to make her feel uncomfortable or pressured.
Starting point is 05:34:53 I understood where she stood, and I made sure to honor that. Once we were both at a party, and Shannon had had a bit too much to drink. She was visibly intoxicated, and I could see that she needed help getting home. Without hesitation, I stepped in to assist her. I called a cab, helped her get inside safely, and made sure she was taken care of. She thanked me later for taking care of her in such a vulnerable state and not taking advantage of her. I think this might have been when she started to warm up to me a bit. After months of staying friends, something unexpected happened that changed everything between us.
Starting point is 05:35:31 I had an upcoming work party and, not really having a date, I casually asked our friend group if anyone would be interested in going with me. It wasn't a big deal just an opportunity for some free food, drinks, and a bit of fun. I didn't want to be without a date for the evening since most of my co-workers were either married or had a partner. To my surprise, Shannon reached out to me and said she'd love to join. I was a bit taken aback but happy to have her company, so we made plans for the night. When the night of the party arrived, I picked her up, and we headed out together. From the start, things felt different. There was an ease between us, a comfort that hadn't been there before.
Starting point is 05:36:14 She seemed more open around me. I did my best to keep things light and respectful, avoiding any flirtation since I was still mindful of her previous feelings. But despite my efforts, the night was filled with laughter and genuine enjoyment. Shannon seemed to be having a great time she was laughing, and giggling, and it felt like we were really connecting on a deeper level. As the night drew to a close and I drove her back home, Shannon invited me back to her place. I hesitated, not because I didn't want to, but because I wanted to be sure that whatever happens next between us was genuine and not just
Starting point is 05:36:50 a spur of the moment decision fueled by the atmosphere of the night. So, I politely declined her invitation and left. The very next day, I received a text from Shannon. She told me that over the past few weeks, she had slowly started to fall for me but was afraid to admit it. She said that my consistent kindness, the way I had always treated her with respect, and my gentlemanly behavior had made her see me in a different light. Shannon admitted that she regretted rejecting me after our first date and that she wished she had given me a real chance to get to know me better back then. She asked if I could consider giving her another chance, now that she realized how she truly felt. It was a lot to take in since this was all so unexpected. Despite the months of
Starting point is 05:37:36 just being friends, my feelings for Shannon had never really changed. So when she asked if I could give her another chance, I readily agreed, and that's how we ended up going out for another date. From that point on, things between us just fell into place. It started as an unexpected second chance turned into a more serious relationship. I fell head over heels for Shannon and would have given her the moon if I could. After dating for a year and a half, Shannon and I made the decision to move and together. At that point, we had already been spending most of our time at each other's places, and when both of our leases were up, we thought it made sense to find a place that we could truly call our own. However, the process of finding that place revealed some things about Shannon
Starting point is 05:38:22 that I hadn't fully acknowledged before. From the very start, Shannon always had a tendency to be a bit showy, always gravitating toward the finer things in life, which is completely opposite of who I am essentially. It wasn't something that I had minded too much before, but it became very apparent when we started apartment hunting. She had her heart set on high-end places, luxurious apartments only that were honestly out of her budget. When I pointed this out to her, she argued how she expected me to cover.
Starting point is 05:38:52 70% of the rent because I had a higher paying job anyways. Looking back now, I realized this should have been the first red flag for me, a sign that our financial expectations and priorities did not align. But at the time, I was deeply in love with Shannon and I wanted to make her happy, so I didn't push back. Once we found an apartment and finally moved and together, another issue surfaced. Shannon was very particular about how she wanted our new place to look. When I started bringing over my furniture, she immediately dismissed most of it, calling it tacky and cheap and asked me to just throw them out. I do admit my furniture was more on the traditional, vintage side pieces I had collected over the years and had grown attached to. Shannon was insistent, and the more we discussed
Starting point is 05:39:38 it, the more I realized that she wasn't going to compromise easily. In the end, I gave in just to keep the piece. We moved most of my furniture into my study room or the storage, where she wouldn't have to see it every day. This made me realize that Shannon was extremely controlling in our relationship, something I had occasionally brushed off in the past. Despite some of her flaws, my ex-wife had a way of making people feel valued and cared for, and that included my parents. From the very beginning, Shannon went out of her way to build a strong relationship with them, and they absolutely adored her in return. For context, Shannon had no contact with her own family. She had explained to me very early on that her relationship with her father was deeply painful.
Starting point is 05:40:26 After her mother passed away, her father turned to alcohol and spent most nights out at bars, leaving Shannon to deal with the aftermath. As a result, when she left for college, she made the difficult decision to cut off all contact with him. Shannon's father never made any effort to reach out to her. This had always left a void in her heart, a longing for the kind of love and support she never received from her own family. That's why she had become so close to my parents, they filled that space for her. My mom and dad always welcomed her with open arms, offering the love and care that she had missed out on for so long. In many ways, they became the family she had always wanted but never had, and I didn't mind sharing my parents with her at all.
Starting point is 05:41:12 I wish I had seen back then how she was manipulating my parents, slowly turning them against me, but I was too foolish to notice. After three years of dating, I proposed to Shannon. We had been talking about marriage for a while, and Shannon had expressed her desire to start a family soon. I spent weeks carefully choosing a ring that I knew she would love, and I planned the proposal at her favorite restaurant, a place that held special memories for us both.
Starting point is 05:41:39 The night of the proposal was magical. When I asked Shannon to marry me, she said yes without hesitation. The joy in her voice, the tears in her eyes, and the way she hugged me tightly made me feel like the happiest man alive. As we began planning the wedding, it became clear that Shannon didn't have a lot of savings. She was still paying off her student loans, so my parents and I ended up covering almost 90% of the wedding expenses. It didn't bother me much since I wanted to give Shannon the beautiful wedding she had always dreamed of. Our wedding day itself was wonderful everything went smoothly, and as we exchanged vows, I was excited to be married to her. But it was after the wedding that the real trouble began. The first major
Starting point is 05:42:25 issue we faced was when we couldn't seem to get pregnant. We tried for months, hoping each time that we would finally see that positive result, but it never came. Eventually, we decided to seek medical advice, and this was when the doctors discovered that Shannon had a condition with her uterus that made it nearly impossible for us to conceive naturally. This news crushed her. She had always wanted to be a mother, and the idea that she might never experience pregnancy was incredibly painful for her. As a result, Shannon fell into a deep depression after the diagnosis. I did my best to support her, even suggesting that we could explore other options, like adoption, or even surrogacy, but she wasn't interested.
Starting point is 05:43:10 Shannon was fixated on the idea of having her own biological child, and any other option felt like a compromise she wasn't willing to make. Next, over the months, Shannon began to expect me to cover her share of the rent and bills entirely. She insisted that as the man in the relationship, it was my responsibility to take care of her needs. Throughout our entire relationship, I had always been the one to pay for our dates, vacations, and the majority of our rent and bills. I didn't mind doing these things because I loved her and wanted to provide for her, but I also believed in a partnership where both working adults contributed.
Starting point is 05:43:47 Shannon earned a decent salary, and I couldn't understand why she suddenly felt entitled to stop contributing altogether to our shared expenses. I knew I couldn't sustain our lifestyle on my own, so I put my foot down and told her that if she wasn't willing to continue paying her share, we would have to break our lease and move into a much smaller, less expensive apartment. I knew how much she valued appearances and that she wouldn't want her friends to think we were poor, so I hoped this would push her to see reason. Begrudgingly, she agreed to keep paying her rent share only. However, over the next few months, she would constantly mention how her male
Starting point is 05:44:24 co-workers took care of their wives and children, and that those women never had to worry about a job or a salary. I tried to argue that those women had children to care for, so it made sense for them to stay at home. However, she was a functioning adult who had a decent job. It made no sense for her to just give up on her career and sit at home all day. Shannon was pushy and when I was still not getting convinced, she decided to go involve my mother in this disagreement. She complained to my mom, almost like a child running to a parent when things didn't go her way. My mom, who had always been traditional in her views on marriage, took Shannon's side without hesitation. She told me that Shannon's thinking wasn't wrong in that, as her husband, it was my duty to
Starting point is 05:45:10 take care of all her needs if she wanted to leave her job. My mother's word stung. She didn't understand the financial strain it would place on me if Shannon stopped contributing altogether. I had a huge fight with Shannon regarding this as I felt she betrayed me by involving my parents in our issues. During this fight, in her anger, she admitted for the first time how she regretted marrying me as I was not able to support her. This is when I started to suspect that Shannon might be nothing more than a gold digger. I had thought we were partners in this marriage, but it was clear that she was only interested in what I could provide, not who I was. After that fight, Shannon began to ignore me completely at home, withholding affection in every way possible, almost as if she was punishing me for standing my ground.
Starting point is 05:45:58 There were no more date nights, no intimacy, not even the simple gesture of holding hands. She stopped helping around the house, leaving all the responsibilities to me as if she was trying to force my hand to give in to her demands. At first, I kept trying to talk to her, to find a way to come to a compromise, but she would ignore all. all my effort. Hence, after a while, I just got tired. I felt mentally exhausted from trying to mend something that she seemed determined to break. Instead, I slowly watched as the distance between us grew wider and wider. Then, the very next month, Shannon quit her job, out of nowhere, without even discussing it with me first. I was starting to get really frustrated with her antics and firmly warned her that if she didn't find a new job soon,
Starting point is 05:46:46 I would move out because I couldn't sustain our lifestyle all alone. She eventually broke down in tears, expressing how much she despised working and that she just wanted a blissful married life where she could stay at home and be a good wife to me. Seeing her cry made me feel a bit guilty, so I reluctantly agreed to let her take a temporary break from working. I pointed out to her that if she expected me to cover all the expenses,
Starting point is 05:47:09 she would need to take on all the household responsibilities. She agreed without hesitation. Unfortunately, as you can already guess, she never stayed true to her words. Shannon began to spend her days either gaming or lounging in bed watching movies just like I knew she would. She would occasionally clean up around the house, but I continued to handle most of the household duties myself, just like I used to do before. Whenever I pointed out that she wasn't fulfilling her end of the agreement, she would get annoyed and accuse me of nagging her. As time passed, Shannon became more and more distant.
Starting point is 05:47:46 She immersed herself in her gaming community, spending hours every day talking to people online. It wasn't long before I realized that these online friends were taking up more of her time and attention than I was. Even when we were in the same room, her phone was always in her hand, her eyes glued to the screen. her fingers tapping out messages faster than I could keep track of. I'd catch glimpses of her smiling or laughing at something someone had said, and it was like a punch to the gut every time. That smile, that laugh it used to be for me. But now, she ignored me like I didn't exist.
Starting point is 05:48:23 During this time, the financial strain on me was becoming unbearable. Not only was I paying for everything, but I was also dipping into my savings just to keep us afloat. Every paycheck seemed to vanish as soon as it hit the bank. I was constantly stressed, constantly worried about what would happen if something went wrong if I lost my job, or if we had some kind of emergency. There was no safety net, no backup plan, just me trying to keep us from drowning. My parents didn't offer any help, not even a word of advice or a shoulder to lean on. They knew about our situation and knew the kind of pressure I was under, but they just didn't care. Then, one day, I discovered something that shattered whatever was left of my marriage.
Starting point is 05:49:08 I was going through both my and Shannon's phone bill, making sure everything looked right. However, as I scanned through the charges and the call logs, I noticed there were multiple calls made to the same number on Shannon's account. I found it odd. So, without thinking, I asked Shannon whose number it was. She just rolled her eyes at me and told me that it belonged to a guy she had met. online. I asked her if they were close friends or something more since she seemed to be talking to him all the time. To this, Shannon nonchalantly replied, maybe, maybe not. He would definitely want us to be
Starting point is 05:49:46 something more. My jaw dropped as I stared at her, half expecting her to say this was just a joke. This was when Shannon continued to tell me she did feel emotionally attracted to Jacob and like spending time with him. My hand started to shake hearing her words. I grabbed her phone and scrolled through her messages just to see for myself if this was really true. What I saw made me sick to my stomach. Shannon and the man had exchanged very graphic messages with each other and discussed everything about their lives in detail. At one point, she had even openly admitted to Jacob that she had fallen out of love with me but that she liked to use me as a cash cow since I was a safe option. She boasted about how she was living a comfortable life at home without ever having to lift a single finger.
Starting point is 05:50:32 for the past few months. Jacob, in turn, had called me a foolish, nerdy guy who deserved to serve her. The sheer audacity of their conversation left me stunned. I quickly took photos of their messages as I couldn't believe what I was reading. Shannon looked at me like she just didn't care. I realized then that our marriage was over. To her, I was nothing more than a means to an end, a tool to be used and discarded once I had outlived my usefulness.
Starting point is 05:51:03 Although I was devastated, I knew what I had to do next. I told her that I was done living my life like this and that I was going to divorce her. She laughed at my face and told me that divorce was not an option and had the audacity to suggest that we could open our marriage if that would make things easier for me to accept. I refused outright and demanded that she move out immediately since I was the one paying for everything. That's when her demeanor changed. Shannon wasn't going to just easily give up her grip on me.
Starting point is 05:51:33 She had controlled and manipulated me for so long that she thought even after finding I would foolishly forgive her and give in to her demands yet again. However, when I didn't, she started to yell at me that she was never going to go anywhere and threaten to involve my parents. She called them, crying and begging them for help as if I was wrong for asking her for a divorce. Instead of admitting that she had been cheating, she started to tell my parents how, it was me who had been unfaithful just like she had always suspected apparently. She claimed that she had caught me cheating and that I was now trying to make things up about her life and kick her out of the house. She begged my parents to help her out.
Starting point is 05:52:12 My foolish mother, in particular, was quick to believe her story. She called me in tears, furious, accusing me of breaking my vows and betraying my poor wife who had been nothing but kind to me and my family. My dad also scolded me for letting down such a great woman like Shannon and how disappointed he was in me. I tried to argue that I had never even cheated on her, but they did not listen and continued to bash me. Confused, I asked them why they would believe her over their own son. That's when I found out that for months, Shannon had been feeding my parents stories claiming I'd been coming home late, that she had found a lipstick mark on my shirt, that I constantly talked about one of my female co-workers,
Starting point is 05:52:54 and that I was always distracted by my phone texting with someone. I was stunned by how far Shannon had gone, laying the groundwork for months to create this narrative. She had clearly planned ahead, knowing I would eventually discover her affair, and wanted my parents to take her side and isolate me. No matter how much I tried to explain to my parents I had been nothing but loyal, that Shannon was the one who had manipulated them in the entire situation, they refused to listen.
Starting point is 05:53:21 I even sent them the proof I had of Shannon cheating on me, but my mom insisted that I was probably making this all up to cover my tracks just like Shannon had warned them, while my dad blamed me for failing as a husband in my marriage. In their eyes, Shannon was the victim, and I was the villain, no matter what. They just couldn't comprehend the idea that a woman, especially one like Shannon, could ever be unfaithful. Long story short, despite all of Shannon's manipulations and the chaos she caused, we did end up getting divorced. The process wasn't easy. Shannon fought me every step of the way, trying to twist the situation to her advantage, but, thankfully, I had a solid lawyer who managed to gather all the evidence of her infidelity and present it in court. The judge saw the truth, and because of that, I didn't have to pay her a single cent in alimony. But even with the divorce finalized, the damage my ex-wife had caused in my life was far from over. Despite the fact that the court had acknowledged Shannon's affair and it was crystal clear Shannon had been the one to betray our marriage, my parents still clung to her version of the events. It was like they were living in a completely different reality.
Starting point is 05:54:34 They started to insist, after the divorce, that I must have done something to push Shannon into the arms of another man and that there had to be more to the story. As a result, my relationship with my parents suffered. We grew further and further apart. Every conversation with them turned into an argument, every family gathering was a reminder that they didn't believe in me. They basically shunned me out of the family and I felt incredibly isolated after the divorce. Throughout all this, Shannon continued to stay in touch with my parents even after our divorce was finalized. That vile woman continued to use my parents to keep a foothold in my life. Just three months after our divorce, Shannon had no hesitation in announcing her engagement and upcoming wedding to the same man she had cheated on me with. I was floored by how cruel she could be.
Starting point is 05:55:27 However, what hurt even more was learning that my mother had decided to attend her wedding, despite knowing everything. When I reached out to her to ask why, she grew frustrated, insisting that she just wanted to be there for Shannon. She explained that my ex-wife, who has no family, had personally asked her to attend, and my mom felt obligated to go and support her. It was incredibly difficult to accept that my own mother had chosen to support the very person who had tore my life apart. In the aftermath, I turned to therapy to help me grapple with my emotions. It took months and years to start healing from everything that had happened. It wasn't easy, and there were times when I didn't think I'd ever fully recover, but with time, I began to find peace.
Starting point is 05:56:14 Slowly, I began to rebuild my life, to understand that what happened wasn't my fault. and a let go of the anger that was eating away at me. Currently, I am in a much better place in life. I've moved on, landed a better job, paid off all my debts, and relocated to a new area, which has been a breath of fresh air. I've also gone low contact with my parents since our interactions are mostly negative and it is very draining. As for Shannon, I no longer think about her or what she might be up to.
Starting point is 05:56:45 The pain and anger have been replaced by a sense of peace and closure. I've moved on completely, and I'm grateful for that. About a year and a half ago, I started dating a wonderful woman named Kylie. She's an incredible woman, gorgeous, honest, independent, and down to earth. From the very beginning, it was clear that we shared a lot of common interests and values. After my last failed relationship, I never thought I'd have another chance at love, but here I am. I'm incredibly grateful every day that Kylie came into my life and has redefined what a relationship means to me. She's inspired me to be a better man and loves me for who I am, without ever
Starting point is 05:57:27 asking me to change. Just a month ago, Kylie and I received the most incredible news, we're expecting a baby. The moment I found out, I was over the moon. The excitement was overwhelming, and it felt like the start of a new chapter in our lives that I had been dreaming of for so long. A week ago, I took the plunge and proposed to her. I got down on one knee, and when she said yes, I cried tears of joy. It felt like everything I'd been through in the past had finally led to this perfect moment. Since our engagement, Kylie and her sister have been excitedly planning our wedding. This morning, I received a call for my mom, which was surprising since we hadn't been in
Starting point is 05:58:10 touch for months. She hesitatingly asked if it was true that I was engaged, mentioning that her friends had sent her a picture Kylie had posted of us with her ring on social media, announcing our engagement. I confirmed it. Then she asked why I hadn't told her or my dad about this news directly, which made me scoff. I told her bluntly that, given how our relationship had deteriorated over the years, I didn't feel compelled to include them in my life's significant moments anymore. My honest She asked her. She asked if they would be at least invited to the wedding since people might talk if they weren't present.
Starting point is 05:58:47 I laughed at the absurdity of her concern and told her that Kylie and I didn't really care about what others thought and that, honestly, I didn't want them to be there at all. Hearing this, she started to cuss me out for being such a selfish and ungrateful son. So, Reddit IDA for not inviting my parents after the way they have behaved with me in the past. Update 1, answering some of your most asked questions here. No, my parents have never met Kylie although they did know that we have been dating. However, not once did they make any initiative to meet Kylie since they still blame me for my divorce from my ex-wife. As far as I know, my parents are still in contact with Shannon to this day.
Starting point is 05:59:29 My ex-wife is a classic narcissist. She knows how to play on people's sympathies and craft a narrative that paints her in the best possible light. Ultimately, while it's disheartening to see my parents still involved with Shannon, I've come to accept that this is beyond my control. No one has any idea about Kylie's pregnancy yet since we haven't told anyone. We are planning on telling people only after the wedding. The reason I don't want my parents present for the wedding is not just because of how they have blatantly favored my ex-wife but also because I don't want them to sabotage happy moment with my wife by bringing up the past. I don't trust them anymore and want them to stay away from my new family.
Starting point is 06:00:10 Update 2. It's been a few days since my last update. Today, Kylie showed me a message she received on social media from my mother. It turns out my mom reached out to her and accused Kylie of alienating me from the rest of the family. In the message, she had written that Kylie doesn't deserve to be my wife because wives are supposed to bond families together, not break them apart. She also wrote how Shannon was always so close to her and dad after she came into my life, but Kylie has done the opposite and has even refused to ask for their blessings. I was furious when I saw the message. I called my mom immediately and asked her to stay out of my life. I reminded her that I was sick and tired of them always bringing up my ex-wife when she was nothing but a huge mistake. I told her how crazy
Starting point is 06:00:59 she and dad were to have continued to support an outsider over their own son even after everything. My mom argued that she couldn't help but always see Shannon as her own daughter and that she missed who I used to be before my divorce with Shannon. I pointed out to her that I used to be a foolish man in love, which is why I was taken advantage of by that wicked woman, and I was glad I was no longer that same person. My mom then went on to say that if I was really determined to marry Kylie, despite how much they disliked her, she and she and she. dad could consider giving us their blessings but only if we invited them to our wedding first. I scoffed and told her I was done trying to explain myself over and over and made it clear
Starting point is 06:01:38 that from this day forward, I would be cutting both her and dad out of my life permanently. I firmly informed her that she can continue to consider Shannon as her daughter for as long as she lives because I am no longer their son. My mom freaked out and tried to argue back, but I cut her off. Me and Kylie have since blocked my parents from all our socials and and our phones. Update 3. It's been a month and a half since my last update. Kylie and I recently got married in an intimate ceremony surrounded by our family and friends. My parents weren't invited, but Kylie's parents were there, cheering us on. The wedding went off without a hitch, and it was perfect. Right now, I'm on my honeymoon with my wife, and we're
Starting point is 06:02:23 planning to announce our pregnancy in a few weeks to our close family members and friends. Since blocking my parents, they haven't been able to contact us, and I'm at peace with that. I'm incredibly happy and grateful as I look forward to becoming a father. All I want now is to be there for my loving wife and to take care of our child. I hope you enjoy this story. Spouse engaged in infidelity and conceived a child but declined to undergo a paternity examination as she was convinced of the father's identity based on her gut feeling. consequently, she departed from the relationship, only to be eventually expelled by the alleged
Starting point is 06:03:00 father. When DNA proved the baby wasn't his. So this whole mess started about two years ago when my wife Leslie and I were having some rough patches in our marriage. We'd been married for six years at that point and things had gotten pretty routine, you know how it is when you're both working full time and just going through the motions. Leslie worked as a marketing coordinator and I'm an electrician, so our schedules were pretty different and we weren't spending much time together anyway. I should probably mention that Leslie and I had been trying to have kids for about three years with no luck. We'd done some basic fertility testing and everything came back normal for both of us, so the doctors just said to keep trying and maybe consider
Starting point is 06:03:42 IVF down the line. It was putting a lot of stress on our relationship because Leslie really wanted to be a mom and I could see how much it was eating at her every month when we'd get disappointed it again. Around this time Leslie started going out more with her co-workers after work, which honestly I was fine with because she seemed happier and more social. Her company had hired this new guy Russell who was some kind of consultant or something, and Leslie would mention him sometimes when she talked about work stuff. He was apparently really successful and had worked for some big companies in California before moving to our city. I didn't think much of it at first because Leslie had always been friendly with her co-workers. But then Leslie started working late more often
Starting point is 06:04:24 in going to these company events that seemed to happen every other week. She'd come home talking about how Russell had such interesting stories about his travels and his business ventures, and how he was thinking about starting his own company soon. I started noticing she was dressing up more for work too, like she was putting extra effort into how she looked, but when I'd compliment her she'd just shrug it off. The first real red flag was when Leslie came home from one of these work events and she was acting really weird and giggly. She kept checking her phone and smiling at it, and when I asked what was so funny she said it was just some inside joke from work that I wouldn't understand. That rubbed me the wrong way because
Starting point is 06:05:03 Leslie had never been secretive about her phone before, we'd always been pretty open about that stuff. Over the next few months Leslie became more and more distant. She'd come home from work and go straight to her laptop or her phone instead of talking to me about our days like we used to. When I'd try to plan date nights or suggest we do something together on weekends, she'd always have some excuse about being tired or having plans with coworkers. The worst part was that our bedroom life basically disappeared completely, and when I'd try to initiate anything she'd say she was stressed about work or not feeling well. I confronted her about it a few times, but she'd just say I was being paranoid and that she was
Starting point is 06:05:43 going through a lot with work pressure and the whole fertility thing. She'd flip it around and say I wasn't being supportive enough and that maybe if I showed more interest in her career and her friendship she wouldn't feel like she had to keep everything separate. So I backed off, but I could feel something was really wrong. Then about 18 months ago Leslie came home from work one day and she looked different, like she was glowing or something. She seemed excited and nervous at the same time, and she kept fidgeting with her hands. Finally she sat me down and said she had something important to tell me. My first thought was that maybe she'd gotten a promotion or something because of how she was acting.
Starting point is 06:06:22 But instead she told me she was pregnant. I was shocked because we hadn't been intimate in weeks, but my first reaction was pure joy because this was what we'd been trying for so long. I jumped up to hug her and started talking about how amazing this was and how we needed to call our families and start planning. But Leslie didn't hug me back and she had this weird expression on her face that I couldn't read. That's when she said the baby might not be mine. I just stood there staring at her because I couldn't process what she was saying.
Starting point is 06:06:54 She started talking really fast about how she'd made a mistake and had been seeing someone from work, and how she was sorry but she needed to be honest with me now that she was pregnant. She said she'd been having an affair with Russell for about four months and they'd been careless a few times. I asked her if she wanted to work things out and if we could get a paternity test to figure out what was going on. Because despite everything I still loved her and wanted to try to save our marriage. But then she said something that just completely blindsided me. She said she didn't think we needed a paternity test because she had a strong feeling the baby was Russell's. When I asked her what that meant, she said she just had this intuition about it.
Starting point is 06:07:36 Like she could feel that the baby belonged to Russell because their connection was so much, much deeper than what she and I had. She said when they were together she felt this spiritual and emotional bond that she'd never experienced before, and that she just knew in her heart that this baby was meant to be his. I told her that was completely insane and that intuition doesn't determine paternity, but she got really defensive and said I wouldn't understand because Russell and I were completely different types of men. She said Russell was more emotionally intelligent and spiritually aware, and that when you have that kind of connection with someone you just know things on a deeper level. At this point I was getting angry because she was talking
Starting point is 06:08:14 about this other guy like he was some kind of enlightened being while basically telling me I was too simple to understand their cosmic connection. I told her we were getting a paternity test whether she liked it or not because I had a right to know if I was going to be a father. But Leslie refused. She said she didn't want to put the baby through unnecessary stress and that she was confident about who the father was. She said Russell had agreed to step up and take responsibility, and that they were planning to be together as a family. She said she hoped we could divorce amicably and that maybe someday I'd understand that this was all meant to happen this way. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. My wife of six years was sitting there telling me she was leaving me
Starting point is 06:08:56 for another man, that she was pregnant with his baby, and that she was basing all of this on some kind of mystical feeling she had. When I pointed out that she could be wrong and that I might actually be the father, she just shook her head and said her intuition was never wrong about important things. So that's how my marriage ended. Leslie moved out the next week to live with Russell, who apparently had this really nice apartment. She filed for divorce right away and refused to discuss anything about paternity testing. Her lawyer sent me papers saying she was waiving any claim to child support from me, which I guess was supposed to prove how confident she was that the baby wasn't mine. The divorce went through pretty quickly since we
Starting point is 06:09:37 didn't have kids together and could split our assets without too much drama. Leslie kept posting on social media about how happy she was and how excited she was to start this new chapter of her life. She'd post pictures of her growing belly with captions about trusting the universe and following your heart, that kind of stuff. Russell seemed to be playing alone with the whole thing. From what I could see on social media he was treating Leslie like a queen, taking her on weekend trips and to fancy restaurants, buying her expensive maternity clothes. Leslie would post about how grateful she was to have found someone who truly understood her and supported her dreams. I tried to move on with my life. I focused on work and started dating again after a few months.
Starting point is 06:10:23 It was hard because I kept wondering about the baby and whether it might actually be mine, but Leslie had made her choice and I had to respect that even though I thought she was being completely irrational about the whole paternity thing. The baby was born about seven months ago, a little girl they named Luna. Leslie posted all the typical new mom pictures and seemed really happy. Russell was in all the photos acting like the proud dad, and they looked like the perfect little family. I'll admit it was hard to see because part of me still wondered what if, but I tried not to dwell on it. But then about three months ago I got a phone call from Leslie and she was crying hysterically. At first I could barely understand what she was saying because she was sobbing so hard. When she finally calmed down enough to talk,
Starting point is 06:11:10 she told me that Russell had gotten a paternity test done without telling her. Apparently Russell had started having doubts about whether he was really the father, especially since the baby didn't look much like him. Leslie said he'd taken some of the baby's hair while she was sleeping one day and send it off to one of those DNA testing companies along with his own sample. When the results came back, they showed that Russell was definitely not the father. Leslie said Russell confronted her about it and demanded to know who else she'd been sleeping with. She swore to him that it had only been him and me, so the baby had to be mine after all. But then Russell said if that was true, then she needed to contact me and get a paternity
Starting point is 06:11:50 test to prove it, because he wasn't going to raise another man's child. But here, he's Here's the crazy part. Leslie still refused to contact me about getting a paternity test. She said her intuition was telling her that something wasn't right and that maybe the test Russell got was wrong. She said she still felt like Luna was meant to be Russell's daughter and that if they just waited and trusted the universe, everything would work out. Russell apparently did not appreciate this response. He told Leslie she had one week to figure out who the real father was and get proof, or he was done with both of them. Leslie spent that week trying to convince him that the test was wrong and that they should just
Starting point is 06:12:30 ignore it and continue being a family, but Russell wasn't having it. So he kicked them out. Leslie called me that day crying and asking if she could come over to talk. I told her no because I wasn't going to get dragged back into her drama, especially when she'd refused to give me any information about whether I might be the father when it actually mattered. She's She begged me to just let her explain the situation, but I said she'd had plenty of chances to be honest with me and she'd chosen to trust her intuition instead. Over the next few weeks, Leslie kept calling and texting me asking for help. She said she was staying with a friend but couldn't afford her own place without Russell's financial support. She said she was overwhelmed trying to take care of Luna by herself and that she just needed someone to help her figure things out.
Starting point is 06:13:17 I ignored most of her messages because I figured this was the consequence of her choices. She'd been so confident that Russell was the father and that their spiritual connection meant more than actual facts, so now she could deal with reality on her own. But then she started showing up at my house. The first time she came over she looked terrible. She was carrying Luna and had this huge diaper bag and looked like she hadn't slept in days. She said she just needed to talk to me and explain everything. and that she realized she'd made some mistakes but we could work through them together. I told her through the door that there was nothing to work through
Starting point is 06:13:55 because she'd made her choice 18 months ago when she decided her intuition was more reliable than a paternity test. She started crying and saying she'd been confused and scared, and that Russell had pressured her to choose between him and me. But I wasn't buying it because nobody had pressured her to refuse a paternity test. That was her decision based on her mystical feelings about who the father was. I told her she needed to leave and figure out her own problems. She kept coming back, though.
Starting point is 06:14:25 Sometimes she'd bring Luna and sometimes she'd come alone. She'd sit on my porch and call my phone begging me to just open the door and talk to her. She said she was desperate and didn't know where else to turn, and that even if Luna wasn't my biological daughter, we'd been trying to have a baby for so long that maybe this was the universe's way of giving us a family. That really pissed me off because now suddenly she wanted to talk about the universe's plan when it was convenient for her. When she thought Russell was the father, the universe had brought them together and their connection was so deep and spiritual. But now that he'd abandoned them, suddenly the universe wanted her to come back to me with another man's baby.
Starting point is 06:15:06 I told her she needed to stop coming to my house or I'd call the police for harassment. She said she understood I was angry but that Luna was an innocent baby who needed to. stability, and couldn't I at least consider helping for the baby's sake even if I didn't want to help her. The thing is, I did feel bad for the baby because none of this was Luna's fault, but I also wasn't going to reward Leslie's terrible decision-making by swooping in to rescue her when her plan fell apart. She'd been so sure about everything when she was leaving me for Russell, so confident that her intuition was guiding her to the right choice.
Starting point is 06:15:40 Now she could live with the consequences. After I threatened to call the police, Leslie stopped coming to my house for a few weeks. But then she started calling me from different numbers when I blocked her usual one. She'd leave voicemails about how sorry she was and how she realized she'd been wrong about everything. She said she'd been doing some soul-searching and realized that her feelings for Russell had clouded her judgment, and that she should have handled the whole situation differently. In one of her voicemails, she admitted that she'd been scared to get a patronage. because deep down she was worried that the baby might actually be mine, and that would have
Starting point is 06:16:17 complicated her fantasy about running off with Russell to live this perfect life. She said she'd convinced herself that her intuition was real because it was easier than facing the possibility that she was making a huge mistake. But even with that admission, she still hadn't actually gotten a paternity test to find out whose baby Luna really was. When I called her back to ask about that, she said she was afraid to know the truth because what if Luna wasn't mine either, and then she'd be completely alone with no one to help her. I told her that was exactly why she should have gotten the test in the first place instead of making decisions based on her feelings. But she said she couldn't afford the test right now and was hoping we could
Starting point is 06:16:57 just try to work things out without needing to know for sure. That's when I realized Leslie hadn't learned anything from this whole experience. She was still trying to avoid taking responsibility and still wanted other people to make decisions based on incomplete information. She wanted me to potentially raise another man's child without even knowing if it was mine, just because her other plan hadn't worked out. Update 1. After my original post Leslie kept harassing me for another month, calling from different numbers and even having her sister contact me to try to convince me to help her out. Her sister called me and said Leslie was really struggling financially and emotionally,
Starting point is 06:17:35 and that Luna was such a sweet baby who deserved to have a stable father figure in her life. She said I should consider that maybe this was all happening for a reason and that I could still have the family I'd always wanted, even if the circumstances weren't ideal. I told her sister the same thing I'd been telling Leslie, which was that I wasn't going to make any decisions about helping raise a child without knowing if it was actually mine. If Leslie wanted my help, she needed to get a paternity test first, and if Luna turned out to be my daughter than we could figure out how to co-parent responsibly. But Leslie's sister said that Leslie was afraid the test would come back negative and then she'd lose any chance of reconciling with me.
Starting point is 06:18:16 She said Leslie had realized that I was the stable, reliable partner she should have chosen all along, and that she was hoping we could rebuild our relationship based on trust instead of requiring scientific proof. I almost laughed because it was the same delusional thinking that had gotten Leslie into this mess in the first place. She'd trusted her intuition over facts when it came to Russell being the father, and now she wanted me to trust her feelings over facts when it came to getting back together. She hadn't learned anything. So I told her sister that I was done discussing it and that Leslie needed to stop using other people
Starting point is 06:18:50 to try to manipulate me into helping her. I said if Leslie wanted to have an adult conversation about getting a paternity test and figuring out the real situation, she could call me herself, but I wasn't going to keep playing these games. That seemed to work for a while because the calls and visit stopped. I figured Leslie had finally gotten the message and was dealing with her problems on her own. I heard through mutual friends that she'd moved back in with her parents temporarily and was looking for a job, so it seemed like she was at least trying to get her life together. But then about two months ago I got a call from a number I didn't recognize, and when I
Starting point is 06:19:26 answered it was a man's voice asking if I was Leslie's ex-husband. I said yes. I said yes. I and asked who was calling. He said his name was David and he was calling about the paternity situation with Luna. My first thought was that maybe Leslie had finally gotten a paternity test and this was someone from the testing company or a lawyer or something. But then David said he was calling because he'd recently found out that he might be Luna's father. I was completely confused because Leslie had sworn that she'd only been with Russell and me during the time when Luna would have been conceived. David explained that he'd been casually seeing Leslie for a few weeks around that same time period, and that she told him she was separated from her husband and
Starting point is 06:20:07 figuring out her next steps. Apparently Leslie had met David on some dating app and they'd hooked up a few times, but then she'd suddenly stopped responding to his messages. He said he'd assumed she'd gotten back together with her husband or found someone else, so he'd moved on and hadn't thought about her again until recently. But then a friend had shown her. him some of Leslie's social media posts about Luna, and when he saw the baby's birth date he realized the timing lined up with when they'd been seeing each other. He said Luna had some distinctive features that reminded him of his own baby pictures, so he'd started wondering if there was a possibility he could be the father. David said he'd tried to contact Leslie directly,
Starting point is 06:20:47 but she wasn't responding to his messages, and he'd gotten my number from someone who knew about our situation. He wanted to know if I could help him get in touch with Leslie about getting a paternity test, because he was a responsible guy and if Luna was his daughter he wanted to step up and do the right thing. This meant Leslie had been lying to me about only being with Russell and me. She'd been seeing at least three different men during that time period, maybe more, and she'd been playing all of us. The whole story about her deep spiritual connection with Russell and her intuition about him being the father was complete bullshit. I gave David Leslie's current phone number and told him he could try to contact her directly,
Starting point is 06:21:27 but that she'd been avoiding taking responsibility for this whole mess from the beginning. I warned him that she'd probably try to convince him that a paternity test wasn't necessary and that he should just trust her feelings about the situation. David seemed like a decent guy and said he appreciated the heads up. He said he had a good job in his own place,
Starting point is 06:21:46 and if Luna was his daughter he wanted to provide for her properly instead of letting her grow up in an unstable situation. A few days later, Leslie called me absolutely furious. She said I had no right to give out her contact information to some random man, and that I was trying to sabotage her life because I was bitter. She said David was harassing her and demanding a paternity test, and that she didn't even remember him that clearly because it had only been a casual thing. I told her that was exactly the problem. She'd been casual with multiple men during the same time period and then made life-changing
Starting point is 06:22:21 decisions based on her intuition about which one was the father. Now there was a third possibility and she was still trying to avoid getting actual facts about the situation. Leslie said she'd looked David up on social media and he seemed like a nice enough guy, but she didn't want to complicate things even more by adding another potential father to the mix. She said she was already overwhelmed trying to figure out how to co-parent with either Russell or me, and involving David would make everything more confusing. But I pointed out that she wasn't co-parenting with Russell because he'd kicked her out, and she wasn't co-parenting with me because she'd refused to get a paternity test to find out if Luna was mine. She was just
Starting point is 06:23:01 drifting around avoiding responsibility while other people tried to do the right thing. That conversation ended with Leslie hanging up on me, but apparently she did eventually agree to meet with David. From what I heard later, David convinced her that getting a paternity test was the fair thing to do for everyone involved, including Luna who deserved to know who her real father was. So they got the test done, and guess what? David was Luna's biological father. Leslie called me after she got the results and she sounded completely defeated. She said she couldn't believe her intuition had been so wrong about everything, and that she'd destroyed her marriage and put Luna through all this instability for nothing. I told her that her intuition hadn't been
Starting point is 06:23:45 wrong, she'd just been lying to herself because she wanted to believe what was most convenient at the time. When she wanted to justify leaving me for Russell, she convinced herself that their spiritual connection meant he was the father. When Russell kicked her out and she wanted me to take her back, she tried to convince herself that maybe the universe wanted us to be together after all. But the whole time she'd known there were other possibilities she was ignoring because they didn't fit the story she wanted to tell herself. David stepped up like he'd promised and took financial responsibility for Luna.
Starting point is 06:24:17 He got his own paternity test to make it official. and he started paying Leslie Child support and taking Luna for visits. From what I can see on social media, he seems like a good dad and Luna looks happy and healthy. Leslie moved into her own apartment with David's help and got a part-time job so she could take care of Luna while still having some income. She stopped trying to contact me, which was a relief because I was tired of being dragged into her drama. Update too well, I was wrong about being done with this situation. Last month Leslie showed up at my house again, but this time it was different from her previous visits. She looked put together and calm, not desperate and crying like before.
Starting point is 06:25:00 She said she'd been in therapy and had some things she wanted to say to me, and asked if I'd be willing to give her 10 minutes to talk. Against my better judgment I let her in, Leslie sat down and said she'd been working with a therapist to understand why she'd made such poor decisions during our marriage and the whole affair situation. She said her therapist had helped her recognize that she'd been struggling with some deep insecurities about not being able to get pregnant, and that she'd been looking for validation and excitement outside our marriage instead of dealing with those feelings directly. She admitted that she'd been selfish and had justified her behavior by convincing herself that our marriage was already over. Leslie also acknowledged that refusing to get a paternity test had been completely irrational
Starting point is 06:25:43 and unfair to everyone involved. She said she'd been so caught up in the family. of her relationship with Russell that she'd ignored obvious red flags and made decisions based on wishful thinking instead of reality. I'll admit this was more self-awareness than Leslie had ever shown before, and it was nice to hear her take actual responsibility for her actions instead of blaming circumstances or other people. But I also knew that Leslie was smart and manipulative, so I was waiting to see what she actually wanted from me. She said she wasn't trying to get back together or asking me to help raise Luna, because she understood that a
Starting point is 06:26:18 I'd moved on and that she'd burned those bridges with her behavior. But she wanted to make amends for the pain she'd caused me, and she was hoping we could eventually have some kind of civil relationship since we'd been such a big part of each other's lives. That seemed reasonable enough, and I appreciated that she wasn't asking for anything concrete from me. I told her I was glad she was getting help and taking responsibility, and that I hoped she could build a good life for herself and Luna going forward. But then Leslie said there was one more thing she needed to tell me, and this is where things got weird again. She said that during her therapy sessions, she'd been exploring her feelings about the whole paternity situation, and she'd realized that
Starting point is 06:26:59 part of her had been hoping Luna would turn out to be my daughter after all. Leslie said that even though she'd convinced herself Russell was the father, there had been a part of her that was secretly relieved when his DNA test came back negative, because it meant there was still a chance Luna could be mine and we could potentially work things out. She said she'd been disappointed when David turned out to be the real father, not because David wasn't a good guy, but because it meant she'd lost any connection to me permanently. She said she'd realized that I'd been the best partner she'd ever had, and that leaving me had been the biggest mistake of her life. I could see where this was going and I cut her off before she could keep talking. I told her that. I told her that
Starting point is 06:27:39 that I appreciated her honesty, but that it didn't change anything between us. She'd made her choices based on what she wanted at the time, and now she had to live with the consequences. Leslie said she understood that, but she wanted me to know that if I ever decided I wanted to be part of Luna's life as a friend or uncle figure, she'd welcome that. She said Luna was a great kid who could benefit from having positive male role models, and that David was supportive of Luna having other caring adults in her life. This felt like another manipulation, honestly. Leslie was presenting it as being generous and thinking about Luna's best interests,
Starting point is 06:28:17 but really she was trying to create a way for us to stay connected. If I started spending time with Luna as an uncle, it would be natural for Leslie and me to end up talking regularly and potentially developing feelings again. I told Leslie I wasn't interested in that kind of arrangement because it would be confusing for everyone involved, especially Luna. If Luna needed positive male role models, she had David as her father and could develop relationships with other family members and friends naturally.
Starting point is 06:28:46 Leslie looked disappointed, but said she understood. She thanked me for letting her apologize and said she hoped someday I could forgive her for all the pain she'd caused. Then she left without any drama or begging, which was honestly a relief after all her previous emotional manipulation. But a few days later I got a text from David and asking if we could talk. He said Leslie had told him about our conversation, and he had some concerns about the whole situation that he wanted to discuss with me. When I called David back,
Starting point is 06:29:17 he said he was worried that Leslie was still not being completely honest about her motivations and feelings. He said she'd been pushing for him to have a more romantic relationship with her, and when he'd made it clear he wasn't interested, she'd started talking about how she wished things had worked out differently with me. David said he was concerned that Leslie was using Luna as a way to try to reconnect with me, and he didn't want his daughter to be caught in the middle of adult drama. He said he'd been very clear with Leslie that Luna's relationship with him was separate from any feelings Leslie might have about other men, and he didn't want me to feel pressure to get involved just because Leslie was suggesting it. I appreciated David looking out for both
Starting point is 06:29:56 Luna and me, and I assured him that I had no intention of getting drawn back into Leslie's orbit. I said I thought it was best if Leslie, Luna, and I all stayed in our separate lanes going forward. David agreed and said he was glad we were on the same page. He said Leslie was a good mom to Luna, but she seemed to have trouble accepting that some bridges couldn't be rebuilt, and he was trying to help her focus on moving forward instead of looking backward. I hope you enjoy this story. Mother-in-law never showed me kindness and insisted on sharing the opening dance with my spouse on our special day, reluctantly, I consented and let her take the spotlight. With him. But then I sang
Starting point is 06:30:37 all the horrible things she said about me over the years in front of everyone. I've been with my husband, Terry, for five years now, and we just got married a little over a week ago. I love him to pieces, but if there's one ongoing struggle in our relationship, it's my strained relationship with his mother, Linda. From the very beginning, she never really accepted me, no matter how hard I tried. And trust me, I tried. I put in so much effort over the years bringing her thoughtful gifts, trying to have deep conversations, asking about her interests, offering to help with things, and just generally making sure I was being kind and respectful. But looking back, I can see now that she was never truly interested in getting to know me. The very first time Terry introduced me to
Starting point is 06:31:22 his parents, Linda didn't even try to hide her skepticism. She took one look at me and immediately asked, right in front of me, is she just a phase? She tried to laugh it off as a joke, but I could tell she meant it. Terry, bless him, defended me right away, but that comment set the tone for our entire relationship. Over the years, she's made so many snide remarks that I've lost count. She constantly belittles my career as a graphic designer, brushing it off as just drawing pictures for a living. She's criticized my appearance, especially my tattoos, saying that no respectable woman would get those.
Starting point is 06:32:01 And she's even made remarks about my family background. My parents divorced when I was young, and apparently, in her eyes, that means I come from a broken home and don't understand real family values. It's exhausting. Through all of this, I tried to take the high road. I forced a smile when she threw out backhanded compliments. I pretended not to notice when she accidentally left me out of family photos or ignored me in conversations. Terry always had my back and would call her out whenever she crossed the line, but that usually led to her crying, playing the victim, and saying she was being misunderstood.
Starting point is 06:32:37 Or worse, she'd claim I was just too sensitive. Classic manipulation. But for Terry's sake, I put up with it. Then we got engaged last year, and let me tell you things went from bad to an absolute nightmare. Linda had an opinion on everything. The venue wasn't up to her standards. My dress was inappropriate, mind you, it was a completely normal, elegant a line gown, nothing revealing or out of the ordinary. She insisted on inviting distant relatives, Terry, and I had never even met while at the same time trying to limit my guest list. She even tried to change our wedding colors because she doesn't look good in blue which, by the way, wasn't even a color we had picked. But the final straw? Oh, that came about three months before the wedding, during a planning
Starting point is 06:33:26 meeting with our wedding coordinator. We were going over the reception details, and Terry and I had planned a traditional setup, dinner, speeches, cake cutting, and of course, our first dance as a married couple. We had already picked our song the one that was playing when we first met at a friend's party. It was sentimental and special to us. As soon as I mentioned it, Linda cut in with, actually, I've always dreamed of having the first dance with my son at his wedding. It's tradition for the mother of the groom, you know. Now, I've been to plenty of weddings, and I've never once heard of this being a thing. The first dance is always between the newlyweds. After that, there's usually a daughter dance, and sometimes a mother-son dance as well. But Linda wanted the first dance,
Starting point is 06:34:13 which honestly felt like she was trying to make the moment about her instead of us. Our wedding coordinator, bless her heart, gently explained that the first dance is traditionally reserved for the bride and groom. That's when Linda's whole demeanor changed. She got teary-eyed and said, but I raised him all by myself after his father left when he was ten. I've been both mother and father to him. I deserve this moment. It's my right. I could see Terry tense up immediately. He looked uncomfortable, but he didn't shut it down right away, which really hurt me.
Starting point is 06:34:48 Later that night, I told him how upset I was, but he admitted he had just been caught off guard and didn't want to cause a scene. We ended up arguing about it for days. He felt torn on one hand. He knew it wasn't fair to take our first dance away from me, but on the other hand, he felt guilty about disappointing his mother. In the end, he agreed that the first dance should stay ours, but I could tell he felt bad about it. And of course, Linda didn't drop the issue. She continued to bring it up every chance she got, telling family members that I was stealing her special
Starting point is 06:35:22 moment and that I didn't respect family traditions. A week before the wedding, I felt like I was at my absolute breaking point. What should have been one of the happiest times of my life was instead turning into a never-ending cycle of stress and drama, all thanks to my soon-to-be mother-in-law, Linda. She had been making the wedding planning process a nightmare, and it felt like no matter what I did, she found a way to criticize, complain, or make it about herself. During a particularly tense dinner at their house, she made yet another passive-aggressive remark, this time about how I just don't understand what it means to raise a child alone and how some bonds can't be broken by newcomers. I could feel my stomach drop.
Starting point is 06:36:03 It wasn't just a dig at me, it was a blatant way of saying I would never truly be part of her family. Before I could even react, Terry finally snapped and told her to stop. It was the first time he'd raised his voice at her, and for a brief moment, I thought maybe she'd back off. But the damage was already done. I excused myself to the bathroom and cried for a solid ten minutes. That night, as I lay in bed replaying everything in my head, an idea hit me. It was petty, sure, but also brilliant. If Linda wanted her precious first
Starting point is 06:36:36 dance with her son so badly, I was going to give it to her on my terms. I'm no professional singer, but I sang in choir all through high school and college, and I can carry a tune well enough. I decided I would perform a very special musical tribute during her dance. Without telling Terry or anyone else, I secretly contacted our DJ and the live band we had hired and made a few changes to the program. When the wedding day arrived, everything started off beautifully. Linda, of course, did her best to steal the spotlight whenever she could wearing a suspiciously bridal-looking white dress
Starting point is 06:37:11 that was far too fancy for a mother of the groom, delivering an unscheduled speech during the ceremony that was essentially a monologue about her sacrifices as a single mother and inserting herself into every photo possible. But I let it all slide, knowing what was coming later. Finally, the reception began, and the moment I had been waiting for arrived. Our DJ took the microphone and announced that there was a special change to the program the mother of the groom would have the first dance with her son.
Starting point is 06:37:40 Terry looked completely confused, but Linda? Oh, she was absolutely beaming. She had been fighting for this moment, and now she thought she had one. She practically dragged him onto the dance floor, giddy with excitement. Then, before the music could start, I walked over to the band, took the microphone, and in my sweetest, most cheerful voice, announced that I would be honoring this dance with a special performance. The second the first notes played, Linda's expression shifted from delight to absolute horror. She must have realized something was up. I had carefully crafted a medley
Starting point is 06:38:16 of famous love songs, but I had rewritten the lyrics using her own words all the nasty, hurtful things she had said about me over the years. I started off with I knew she was just a phase set to the tune of at last. Then, I moved into verses about my meaningless career and how I'd never be good enough for Terry, all sung to the melody of what a wonderful world. I wrapped it up with a grand finale, a heartfelt performance about my trashy tattoos and how no decent mother would raise a daughter to be so independent, set to unforgettable. I kept my voice sweet, my smile wide, and my eyes locked on Linda the entire time. The guests went through a range of emotions first confused, then uncomfortable, and finally, as realization dawned on them, a few of my friends who knew
Starting point is 06:39:01 exactly what Linda had put me through started chuckling. By the end, Linda's face was bright red, and she ran off the dance floor in tears. Terry stood frozen, completely stunned. He clearly didn't know how to react, but he didn't immediately run after her either. The rest of the reception went on more or less as planned. Terry and I did have our first dance after all, though I could tell he was still processing everything that had just happened. Some guests thought my stunt was hilarious, especially my friends and family who had witnessed Linda's behavior firsthand. Others particularly Linda's relatives were horrified and left early. Linda herself never returned to the reception. The next morning,
Starting point is 06:39:44 the fallout began. Terry woke up to dozens of missed calls and texts from his mother. and her side of the family. They all had the same message, I had ruined the wedding. I had humiliated an innocent woman. Linda was in full meltdown mode, demanding that I issue a public apology on social media for my childish and cruel stunt. Terry was stuck in the middle. He agreed that his mother had treated me terribly for years, but he also admitted that my response had been a bit extreme. He gently suggested that maybe I should apologize just to keep the peace. That's when I lost it. I reminded him that I had spent five years trying to bond with a woman who had never given me a chance, who had insulted me repeatedly, and who had done everything in her power to make our wedding about
Starting point is 06:40:30 her. I told him that if anyone deserved an apology, it was me for all the years of disrespect and manipulation. After a long and tense discussion, Terry finally took my side. He called his mother and told her that while my method might have been unconventional, she had been asking for this confrontation for years. He told her that if she wanted to be a part of our lives moving forward, she needed to apologize to me and actually respect our marriage. It's been a few days since the wedding, and Linda is still bombarding Terry with calls and texts. She alternates between tearful pleas for him to come to his senses and angry demands that I make amends. Some family members have said I went too far, while others have privately messaged me to say thank you for finally
Starting point is 06:41:13 standing up to her after years of watching her treat me horribly. And now, I can't help but wonder did I actually go too far? Was it wrong to use our wedding as the stage for this confrontation? Should I have found another way to address the years of disrespect? Terry is standing by me publicly, but I can see the stress he's feeling about the family fallout. Did I put him in an impossible position between his wife and his mother? So, I guess what I'm really asking is Ida for turning the tables on my mother and
Starting point is 06:41:43 in law in such a dramatic way? Update 1, first off, I just want to say a huge thank you to everyone who took the time to comment and message me. I truly didn't expect my post to get as much attention as it did, and reading through all of your responses has been both incredibly validating and really eye-opening. Knowing that so many people understand where I'm coming from and have dealt with similar situations makes me feel a little less alone in all this. A lot has happened in the last few days. The day after I posted, Terry and I had a long, honest conversation about his mother, our marriage, and what our future looks like moving forward. He admitted that, in hindsight, he wished I had told him about my plan ahead of time. He was caught off guard
Starting point is 06:42:26 at the wedding, and while he understood my frustration, he wasn't prepared for how things unfolded. That said, he also acknowledged that I had reached a breaking point and that my reaction, while unconventional, was the result of years of mistreatment from Linda. One of the most surprising parts of our conversation was when Terry admitted that his mother had actually been worse than I even realized. He told me that, when I wasn't around, she had made countless nasty comments about me to him, trying to plant seeds of doubt about our relationship. But the most shocking part?
Starting point is 06:42:59 Just a month before our wedding, she had actually tried to set him up with his ex-girlfriend. I was absolutely floored when I heard that. Terry apologized for not telling me sooner and admitted that he had spent years enabling her behavior, always hoping that she would eventually change and come around on her own. Now, though, he's realizing that his mother's behavior is a pattern one that likely won't ever change unless she chooses to acknowledge it and work on herself, which, let's be honest, seems pretty unlikely. After our talk, Terry made the decision to write his mother a long email, outlining in detail
Starting point is 06:43:33 all of the ways her behavior has been hurtful, manipulative, and in-a-per-revehaping. He made it clear that, while he loves her, he is now a married man, and his priority is and will always be our marriage. He told her, in no uncertain terms, that if she wants to continue having a relationship with him, she needs to start treating me with respect and take accountability for the way she has acted. Linda's response came fast, and, unfortunately, it was exactly what I expected. She played the victim, insisting that she had only ever been trying to be involved and that I had misinterpreted her comments. She brought up all the sacrifices she made raising Terry alone and how hard it is for a mother to let go of her only child. What she
Starting point is 06:44:15 didn't do, though, was take any responsibility for her actions or acknowledge any of the pain she has caused. There wasn't a single ounce of remorse in her message. What I didn't expect, however, was the message we received from Terry's aunt, Linda's own sister. She reached out to us privately, apologizing for not stepping in sooner. She told us that Linda has actually driven away multiple people in the family over the years because of her possessiveness and controlling nature. Apparently, Linda has always struggled with jealousy and doesn't handle it well when she feels like she's not the center of attention especially when it comes to Terry. She even suggested that Linda might benefit from therapy, though she admitted that convincing
Starting point is 06:44:57 her to actually go would be next to impossible. The hardest part of all of this has been watching Terry come to terms with who his mother really is. He spent his whole life making excuses for her behavior, blaming it on her difficult upbringing or the challenges of being a single parent. Now, though, he's starting to realize that her actions aren't just about her past struggles there are a deep-seated pattern that she has no interest in changing. He's feeling a mix of anger, sadness, and guilt, and I'm doing my best to support him through it without saying I told you so. As for me, I don't regret what I did at the wedding, and I'm feeling. even more confident in my decision not to apologize. Over the last few days, multiple guests
Starting point is 06:45:38 from our wedding have reached out to say they saw firsthand how Linda treated me and that they were honestly glad someone finally called her out on it. Even our wedding photographer pulled me aside at the end of the night and told me that song was the highlight of my wedding season. Tomorrow, Terry and I are leaving for our honeymoon two weeks in Greece, a trip we've been planning for over a year. We both need this time away, not just to say. celebrate our marriage but to get some much-needed distance from all of this family drama. Terry has decided to put his mother on a communication timeout until we get back, which I think is the best decision for now. Hopefully, the space will give everyone time to process everything
Starting point is 06:46:17 that's happened. I'll update again once we're back from our trip. In the meantime, thank you again for all of your support, advice, and kind words. It really means more than I can say. Update 2, Hi Everyone. Terry and I are finally on our honeymoon, and honestly, it has been such a relief to get away from all the stress. But before we left, things with Linda took another dramatic turn. It seems that not getting any response from Terry only made her more desperate, and she resorted to some truly over-the-top behavior. The night before our flight, she unexpectedly showed up at our apartment. From the moment we saw her, it was clear that she had been crying for our.
Starting point is 06:46:59 hours her eyes were red and puffy, and she looked absolutely distraught. As soon as we opened the door, she pushed past us without even asking to come in. Then she launched into a full-blown meltdown, accusing us of breaking her heart and destroying the family. Her voice was shaking, and she kept going on and on about how she had sacrificed so much for Terry, only to be abandoned now. Terry, trying to keep things civil, attempted to explain to her that this kind of emotional manipulation was exactly why we needed space. He calmly told her that he still loved her, but that her refusal to respect our boundaries was damaging our relationship. But she wasn't having any of it. Instead, she turned her attention to our packed suitcases, and when she realized
Starting point is 06:47:44 we were leaving for our honeymoon, her emotions escalated even further. She dramatically accused us of running away instead of trying to fix the problem. When Terry reminded her that this trip had been planned for over a year and had nothing to do with her, she scoffed and muttered something like, of course, her priorities come first now. At that point, I was already furious, but the breaking point came when she pulled out her phone. With an air of self-righteousness, she showed us a post she had made, detailing the wedding incident from her completely biased perspective. In the post, she painted herself as the poor, heartbroken mother who had been publicly humiliated, while I was cast as the cruel, jealous new wife who had stolen her son and humiliated her in front
Starting point is 06:48:28 of family and friends. To make matters worse, she had tagged multiple relatives and even some of our wedding guests in the post. Many had already commented with sympathetic messages, offering her words of comfort without knowing the full story. That was it. I was fuming, but Terry, I have never seen him that angry before. Without hesitating, he took her phone straight from her hands, deleted the post in front of her, and made it clear that if she ever pulled something like that again publicly bad-mouthing me or our marriage she would no longer be welcome in our lives. He told her firmly that she needed to leave and that she was not to contact us during our honeymoon. Linda stormed out in tears, and after she left, Terry spent the next hour making calls to family members to set the record straight.
Starting point is 06:49:14 Apparently, a lot of them had no idea how bad things had been because Linda had always painted a rosy picture of our relationship. She had been telling everyone for years that she treated me like the daughter she never had and that we were close. Needless to say, Terry was completely blindsided by how calculated her behavior had been, and it really opened his eyes to how much she had been manipulating not just us, but the entire family. But the real shock came the next day, when we had already arrived in Greece and were settling into our hotel. Terry's cousin texted him with a screenshot of a new post Linda had made this time announcing that she was planning to come to to Greece to rescue her son from his toxic marriage. She claimed she was deeply concerned
Starting point is 06:49:56 for his mental health and insisted that she couldn't just sit back and do nothing. To top it all off, she had even started a GoFundMe page, asking for donations to fund her plane ticket and accommodations. Luckily, most of the family recognized how absolutely unhinged this was. The only people who donated were two elderly neighbors who likely had no idea what was really going on, and the fundraiser only collected about $75 before it was taken down. Linda's sister Terry's aunt, who had reached out to us before apparently stepped in and had a serious talk with her, urging her to get professional help. She also promised to keep an eye on Linda while we were away and to prevent her from doing anything drastic. Terry has been
Starting point is 06:50:39 understandably shaken by all of this. For years, he convinced himself that his mother's overbearing nature came from a place of love and protection. But now, he's being forced to confront the reality that it might be something much more unhealthy. He told me that when we get back, he wants to look into couples counseling so that we can navigate this together, and he's seriously considering individual therapy to work through his complicated feelings about his mother. I fully support both decisions I think it'll be really helpful for him to have an objective third-party help him process everything. For now, though, we're trying our best to focus on enjoying our honeymoon. We've agreed to check messages only once a day so that we're not constantly reminded of the drama,
Starting point is 06:51:20 and we're making a conscious effort to just live in the moment. Tomorrow, we're taking a boat tour around the beautiful caldera, and I am determined to make happy memories with my husband despite everything that has happened. I'll post another update once we're back home and have a better idea of what our next steps will be. Thank you again to everyone who has offered support, advice, and validation it truly helps more than you know. Update 3. We're finally back home from our honeymoon, and honestly, I still feel like I'm processing everything that has happened over the past few weeks. It's been an emotional whirlwind, and while I'm relieved to be home, I know that things aren't just going to go back to normal overnight.
Starting point is 06:52:00 That said, I wanted to share one final update since so many of you have followed this journey and offered kind words, advice, and even tough love when needed. Our honeymoon was absolutely beautiful, and I am so grateful we took that time for ourselves. After all the stress leading up to the wedding and the chaos that followed, we really needed to just unplug and be present with each other. For most of the trip, we kept our phones off or only checked them every couple of days. It was a little nerve-wracking at first, but ultimately, it was the best decision we could have made.
Starting point is 06:52:34 Without the constant drama from back home, Terry and I had the space to just breathe, to enjoy the sights, and to focus on what really mattered our relationship. We explored ancient ruins, went on breathtaking boat tours, and ate an embarrassing amount of delicious food. But more than anything, we had some really important conversations about our future, our marriage, and how we want to handle boundaries with family moving forward. Some of those talks were tough, and at times, emotions ran high. But in the end, they made us stronger. We both realized that if we don't establish clear expectations now, things could spiral out of control again. And neither of us wants to be stuck in an endless cycle of dealing with Linda's outbursts. Of course, when we finally turned our
Starting point is 06:53:20 phones back on before our flight home, we were completely flooded with messages. It turns out that while we were enjoying the Greek islands, Linda had a complete meltdown. According to Terry's aunt, she had been growing more and more frantic during our absence, convinced that I was somehow poisoning her son against her. She started calling Terry's friends, distant relatives, and even his workplace trying to track us down. When that didn't work, she started showing up at our apartment building, demanding to know when we'd be back. Our neighbor, who had been collecting our mail while we were gone, ended up calling the police because Linda was becoming so persistent and unhinged. The breaking point came during a family dinner at Terry's aunt's house. Apparently,
Starting point is 06:54:04 recently, Linda had a bit too much wine and started making absolutely ridiculous claims about me saying I had a secret past, that I was only after Terry's inheritance, which is non-existent, by the way, and that I had somehow hypnotized him into turning against her. The family tried to talk some sense into her, but she just got more and more aggressive, to the point where she had to be driven home before things escalated further. The next day, Terry's aunt and uncle decided they couldn't let this continue and staged what was essentially an intervention. They sat Linda down and presented her with cold, evident screenshots of the messages she had been sending,
Starting point is 06:54:39 firsthand accounts from family members who had seen her mistreat me over the years, and even old emails where she had tried to sabotage Terry's previous relationships before I was even in the picture. They told her point blank that she needed to seek professional help or risk losing not just Terry but the rest of the family as well. Shockingly, it seems like this actually got through to her at least to some degree. Linda agreed to start seeing a therapist, and according to Terry's aunt, she's already had three sessions. The therapist apparently told her that there could be some deeper issues at play, possibly related to her abandonment trauma from when Terry's father left and her unhealthy attachment
Starting point is 06:55:16 to her son. It's still early, and I have no idea whether this will actually lead to real change, but it's at least a step in the right direction. Yesterday, for the first time since before our honeymoon, Terry called his mom. The conversation was short, and while Linda didn't outright apologize, she did say that she might have overreacted and that she's working through some things in therapy. She asked if we could meet for dinner next week, and after talking it over, Terry and I agreed on the condition that we meet in a public sea restaurant and that his aunt be there as a buffer.
Starting point is 06:55:48 Terry and I also sat down for a really honest conversation about everything that's happened. He admitted that he feels guilty for not standing up to his mother sooner and for letting things escalate to this point. I told him that while I don't regret standing up for myself, I do recognize that my approach while satisfying at the time might not have been the most productive way to handle things. If Linda hadn't been forced to face reality by her own family, my wedding stunt could have permanently closed the door to any possible reconciliation. Some family members are still divided about what happened at the wedding. A few think I was completely justified, some believe I went too far, and most just want everyone
Starting point is 06:56:26 to move forward. But at the end of the day, the only opinion that really matters to me is Terry's. and he has been my rock through all of this. Once he got over the initial shock of my performance, he never wavered in supporting me, even when it meant going against his own mother. I honestly don't know what the future holds when it comes to Linda. In the best case scenario, she continues therapy, gains real insight into her behavior,
Starting point is 06:56:52 and eventually offers a sincere apology that allows us to build a healthier relationship. In the worst case scenario, she falls back into her old ways, and we'll have to maintain strong boundaries to protect our own peace. Either way, Terry and I will face it together. I just want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has followed this journey, given advice, shared personal experiences, or even just offered a few words of support. This entire situation has been overwhelming,
Starting point is 06:57:22 but knowing that I wasn't alone and that other people understood what I was going through made a huge difference. I don't plan to post any more updates unless something truly drastic happens, but I just want you all to know that your input has really helped. If there's one thing I've learned through all of this, it's that standing up for yourself isn't always neat or easy. Sometimes it's messy. Sometimes it's imperfect.
Starting point is 06:57:45 But that doesn't mean it's wrong.

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