RedHanded - Bonus - August Patreon Round-Up

Episode Date: September 10, 2021

On this month's juicy sneak-peek behind the Patreon curtain, we have our In the News coverage of a Doctor tuned Exorcist, our Under the Duvet coverage of the tragedy in Plymouth, and a snippe...t from our full-length Patreon bonus episode of Georgia Williams and her snuff film-loving murderer. If you want to listen to any of these episodes in full or listen to our entire Patreon back catalogue, head over to: patreon.com/redhanded See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Red Handed early and ad-free. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. They say Hollywood is where dreams are made. A seductive city where many flock to get rich, be adored, and capture America's heart. But when the spotlight turns off, fame, fortune, and lives can disappear in an instant. Follow Hollywood and Crime, The Cotton Club Murder on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everyone and welcome to this month's Patreon wrap-up, which is a highlight reel
Starting point is 00:00:34 of all of the best content from over on Patreon from the past month. Don't know what I'm talking about? Well, Patreon is a subscription service model where you can sign up to pledge $5, $10, $20, whatever you would like. But the more you give, the more extra red-handed content you get. Everything from Under the Duvet, which is basically now a full-length podcast that Hannah and I put out every single week, to In the News, where we talk about all sorts of hot true crime cases hitting the headlines that aren't quite ready for the main show yet, all the way to a whole entire bonus episode that we release every single month for $10 on our patrons. So if you'd like to check that out, head on over to patreon.com slash red handed.
Starting point is 00:01:17 And if you're like, I don't know yet, let me have a taster. Well, that's exactly what this is. So enjoy. My next case is very much true. And it's a fucking exorcism. Uh-huh. Okay. I mean, I don't want to sound that excited somebody dies, but it is an exorcism. Sorry guys. So we're heading back to England now, which is fun. And I actually think when more information comes out about this case, I actually think it might be a full episode. So back in the UK, where an NHS anaesthetist, 61-year-old Hosam Metwali,
Starting point is 00:02:03 is facing a rather lengthy jail sentence after putting his 30-year-old girlfriend, Kelly Wilson, into a coma back in 2019. Hold up. 61? Mm-hmm. And she's 30. She was. Oh, yeah. Yo. No, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So how did Kelly end up in this coma and how was Hossam involved? Well, apparently, he performed what's been described as a, quote, dangerous perversion of the Islamic rukya ritual on his former girlfriend at their home in Grimsby.
Starting point is 00:02:35 After an eight-week trial, Metwali was found guilty of all eight charges, including administering a noxious substance and fraud. Metwali, like I said, who's an NHS anaesthetist and chronic pain specialist, was under the belief that Kelly Wilson, his girlfriend, was possessed by djinns, which, if you don't know what they are, they're a sort of supernatural spirit from Arabic mythology. That's where we get the word genie. Mm-hmm, yes, exactly. And if you watch, like, 300, they 300 they're the ones like supposed to be throwing
Starting point is 00:03:05 shit around like the the smoky things and you know what else gins are in oh american gods which i know you haven't watched it oh i haven't i'm going to though do you know what i've been doing i've just been like not watching anything apart from the news about what the fuck is going on in afghanistan and then when i feel really depressed about that, I either watch A Place in the Sun and think about how I should just buy a house in Barbados and go live there. Or, first dates. I am having lots of grand dreams
Starting point is 00:03:33 about buying a house somewhere and moving there, even though I was just saying how I didn't really want to leave home. But, you know, swings and roundabouts. Yeah, swings and roundabouts. I think, yes, I have just started to re-watch Breaking Bad for the third time because like I think like you know I feel like just need comfort yes oh my god it's exactly that like I'm
Starting point is 00:03:50 you know we're under a lot of pressure yes and also like because a lot of our job is research and like gaining new information I kind of don't want new information in my spare time I'm like oh no I just repetition please yeah this is the thing and that's why I'm also watching and it's just so terribly boring but like I just like put it on and just like don't pay any attention that like hotel inspector Alex Polizzi is like bought a hotel and she's renovating it very slowly over the course of 10 episodes and I'm just watching and it comes out week by week and I'm actually watching I'm like what the fuck's wrong with me but no place in the Sun is like the ideal scenario
Starting point is 00:04:26 because all I learn is the fluctuating house prices in like fucking Mijas in Spain. And it is so irrelevant to me. But like, it's just so comforting. But I am going to watch American Gods. I really, really want to. You wouldn't hype it this much if it wasn't good. So it's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah, the first season, absolutely banging. Loses it a little bit in the first season absolutely banging loses it a little bit in the second okay okay third don't bother but the first season is first season i'm on it excellent i am on it okay so back to met wally like we said he's convinced that his girlfriend is possessed by these gins and during his trial jurors hear how metwali had performed over 250 rituals on miss wilson between 2016 and 2020 the jury were even played around 200 video clips of these exorcisms because he doesn't keep it a secret he fucking films at all and in these videos metwali can be heard chanting bismillah whilst administering fluids to miss wilson via a cannula and placing holy
Starting point is 00:05:27 water and oils on her skin in one such video clip miss wilson is restrained with a black zip tie whilst met wally is stood in front of her speaking to the jinn possessing her which he refers to as magdalena this man is fucking out of his tree. And he's working the whole time. This goes on for like four or five years. The whole time he's working as a fucking anesthetist in an NHS hospital somewhere. Can you imagine? And it was during one of these exorcism ceremonies back on the 4th of July 2019 that Kelly Wilson was on the verge of cardiac arrest and complete organ failure. But thankfully,
Starting point is 00:06:06 she made it to hospital in time. When officers searched the couple's home, they discovered that Metwali had been stocking up on drugs like ketamine, propofol, fentanyl, and diazomals. Obviously, as an anaesthetist, he has access to all these fucking hardcore drugs, and he's just bringing them home and drugging his girlfriend and then performing exorcisms on her. An imam spoke during the trial and said that the ritual of rukhiyah was considered a valid practice. However, it should never ever include
Starting point is 00:06:34 the use of drugs of sedation the way that Metwali was doing it. So who was this guy? Well, Hassan Metwali, originally qualified as an anesthesiologist in his home country of Egypt before moving to the UK in 1996. He met Kelly when she was training to be a nurse in 2015.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And apparently, Kelly had even worked at Metwally's private pain clinic before moving in with him. And whilst working at this clinic, Metwally claims that Kelly Wilson would often get angry with him when he prayed between patients saying and this is him saying about her she was a beautiful nice girl who became a monster who wanted to attack me so I guess this point when she's working as like as like a sexual receptionist at this private pain clinic and telling him to like get on with his work he decides that she's possessed by the jinn because she tells him not to pray between patients so during the trial the court also heard that kelly wilson had a history of depression and various illnesses which left her unable to
Starting point is 00:07:37 continue working as a nurse and this is when met wally oh sorry she was working as a nurse not a receptionist and telling him to get on with looking at patients. And this is when Metwali decided to start looking up Rakia. Metwali watched numerous videos of this exorcism ceremony on YouTube and Facebook, along with doing his own research on the evil eye and black magic. Nothing like a bit of YouTube. Well, at least he did his research. Yes. Yeah. Nothing like a bit of youtube research before you drug your girlfriend up and tie her to a bed inducing a cardiac arrest sure and he actually said at trial that he performed these exorcisms out of kindness so that he could weaken and demolish the gin inside of her investigators also found that
Starting point is 00:08:22 met while he had been secretly giving kelly wilson course, all the drugs like fentanyl and ketamine That he had stolen from the hospital And he had been feeding them to her unknowingly So, you know, this guy's a real piece of shit Given all this evidence, it took the jury no more than 90 minutes To unanimously find Hassan Metwali guilty On eight charges of endangering Kelly Wilson's life By administering, by administering anesthetic,
Starting point is 00:08:49 oh, fucking hell, this is too many words, by administering drugs to sedate her, supplying her with various controlled drugs and medicines, and being in possession of these drugs with intent. Metwally is set to be sentenced on the 20th of September, so in about a month's time, and Judge Richardson told him that he should expect a prison term of some substance.
Starting point is 00:09:11 And the judge also added that in his 41 years of experience in the criminal justice system, that he had never been involved in or presided over a more bizarre trial than this one. That's crazy. That is pretty phenomenal. So I made some depressing notes about this. If you don't know what we're talking about,
Starting point is 00:09:29 Plymouth is where we're headed. I didn't know Plymouth was in Devon. That's terrible, isn't it? Is it? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I knew it was down there. I knew it was down there.
Starting point is 00:09:43 I was like, somewhere, somewhere way down south. But apparently Plymouth is in Devon. So that's nice. That's a nice little learning moment for me. So on Thursday, which was the 12th of August, so like literally four days ago, a 22 year old man named Jake Davidson went on a shooting rampage in the Keogh area in Plymouth which just feels like it looks like a small town it looks like any small town in England when they were showing the video footage of it I was like yeah it literally could be the town I grew up in it just looks like a non-UK town so he went on a shooting rampage it seems to have lasted about 13 minutes or so and during that time he shot to death five people and seriously injured two people,
Starting point is 00:10:27 though I think those two people are going to survive by the looks of it. And included in the people that he shot to death, first he shot his mum, his 51-year-old mum, Maxine Davidson. And then, and this is just like, this is the one that just upset me so much when I was like watching the news on Friday morning. He shot and killed a three-year-old girl, a three-year-old girl who was just out for a walk with her dad. Her name was Sophie Martin and her father was called Lee. And all I could think was that poor mum somewhere where her husband or her partner or whatever and her child just went for a walk and then they just got shot to death like what the fuck and then he also killed um another two people called uh one man named Stephen Washington who was 59 and um a 66 year old lady called Kate Shepard who died in
Starting point is 00:11:19 hospital and then after he was done um I think it was when he heard the police sirens Jake Davidson then turned the gun on himself as they always do and killed himself so that's the bare bones of the situation um where do we begin to pick it apart is the question as to why a 22 year old who lived in a town who had a record for assault had he had he had that gun legally he had that gun legally which to me is just unbelievable like in the UK we have some of the strictest firearm laws um in the world like anywhere in the world uh so mass shootings are incredibly rare I can't even remember the last time we had a mass shooting but they do happen but like very very rarely and it is legal for people in Great Britain to own guns but there are like a very specific set of requirements
Starting point is 00:12:11 that would allow you to own a gun so like um for example say you live in like a very rural part of the country and you need it for like wildlife management or pest control or you can own guns for sport but that's it that's literally it why this guy had a gun license and legally had a gun especially since last september he was charged with assault and his gun license was taken away but it was then given back to him why what the fuck and in this country the police your local police um constabulary or whatever it is are the ones that approve your gun license so the people that would have given him this gun license uh would be the what like the devon i did write it down the devon um devon and cornwall police force they would have been the ones that gave him that gun why i'm baffled i i don't know i like i i have no i have nothing
Starting point is 00:13:08 yeah that's all it's shocking it's absolutely hideous and also not only was this guy um i don't even want to fucking say his name this this person who decided to do this um not only had been convicted of assault in the past and had his gun license revoked and then given back to him, which, why? He also was, of course, an insult. And he was all over the online forums, ranting about women. Yep, because that's just, that's just A-OK now. And I, all I could think was when I was watching the video footage they were showing of his rants that he had uploaded onto these forums onto YouTube etc all of them have been taken down he was also just uploading like videos of himself
Starting point is 00:13:56 yelling onto Twitter they've all been taken down now so you can't really watch it apart from in news clips um he calls women arrogant uh it's the usual things of like how women are you know um ignore him blah blah blah but he doesn't he doesn't look like the kind of guy who's really ever probably tried to speak to a woman and if he did i'm sure she would have seen the deadness in his eyes and been like no thanks because i'm scared of you yeah um it's horrendous and uh what else was he talking about the arrogance of of women, blah, blah, blah. And just the usual shit of, you know, lessons needing to be learned, etc. And oh, now, on these online forums, he's being called a saint by incels.
Starting point is 00:14:40 As of Saturday, Jake Davidson is being hailed on incel forums around the world um as a saint i want to go home yeah yeah and the thing that really stood out to me and it will be of absolutely no surprise to anybody who listens to this show is that um there's been not a single mention in the news of calling this terrorism. The only people who even approached that topic, as far as I saw, were Channel 4 News. I do really like Channel 4 News, and I'm not surprised that they were the only ones that did that. But they had an incel expert on who and she spoke about why this should be labeled terrorism. I don't think she went after the strongest argument, in my opinion, she was very much saying like, this should be called terrorism because they're acting, because it's fueled by hate towards a specific group.
Starting point is 00:15:31 I would say that is a hate crime. When we wrote the book and we have an entire chapter on incels and misogynistic murder, misogyny being a motivator for murder in the book. And in that, I was really trying to understand like why and how should we call this these kind of killings terrorism because in my opinion they absolutely are terrorism um and the reason that I the best argument I saw was because incels when you go and read their literature because they have it and you go and read their forums and all the things they're posting on there as far as they are concerned their oppression at the hands of women and society at whole is is an apartheid issue that's how they describe it they describe their oppression as an apartheid
Starting point is 00:16:14 issue and they describe themselves as being a marginalized second class group of citizens who are being oppressed politically socially and sexually and therefore it is an apartheid issue. That argument that they make, and therefore their actions of going on killing rampages saying that it is because it is a social political apartheid issue, is what makes it terrorism. Because for something to be called terrorism, it needs to be linked to a political or social ideology that a group is trying to further through the use of terror attacks so i don't know if i buy the argument that it is a terror attack because they're motivated by hate that to me would signify that it's a hate crime uh which in this country like yeah sure they're going to start recognizing them but that doesn't lead to i don't think so far
Starting point is 00:17:01 it would lead to increased prison sentences not the most killers like end up surviving their rampage because they usually kill themselves um but i would say the reasoning that we should be using because when people are like oh it's because they hate women people will be like people don't care about that argument they don't care about the argument that's one thing we already know is that we don't care about misogyny being a motivator such a good point so let's stop saying oh but he should be killed like he should be a terrorist because he did it because he hated women because no one cares no one gives a fuck so the argument we should be using is that these men themselves say that their oppression and their plight is an apartheid issue and when you say that then you are stating that it is a social and
Starting point is 00:17:39 political struggle for which they are using violence and that is why it is terrorism that's how I think it should be argued not because they're doing it because they hate women they do but no one cares about that so don't let's not say that as the reason because people just laugh at that you know yeah exactly like it's the it's terrifying that like the sort of vitriolic hatred of women doesn't count um it doesn't but it doesn't it definitely doesn't it really does not it really really does not and i don't know what this says is that when i was watching that woman saying that i can't remember her name i wish i did she was doing a very good
Starting point is 00:18:14 job this isn't me shitting on her she was doing a very good job of uh being the only person i saw on the fucking news to say anything about terrorism but her argument of it being about as because he hated women i felt myself internally grip my teeth and not roll my eyes of like oh you're stupid like you're stupid for saying i was like that's just no one cares no one cares say a better argument yeah it's i've been thinking a lot about like gendered language and like the way the way people speak to women and the way people speak to men is very different um particularly and we can cut this out if we decide to um but there's been like a couple of comments about like oh like success going to your head blah blah blah blah blah and then people contacting us being like
Starting point is 00:19:00 saying the same things yeah and in in quite nasty ways uh for some people i don't believe for a single second anyone would say that to a man i really don't like i don't think this attitude of like too big for your boots or like um full of yourself what i don't think people apply that to men i don't and like so next time you you know, you know, I, I think that's like, I think it's shitty and it's especially shitty when it comes from women. But, you know, move on. I think it's, I think we all have a subconscious expectation of what we expect from women. And when we, we,
Starting point is 00:19:39 as the collective observe something that is outlying from that rhetoric that we have been trained to think of we don't like it and we respond negatively towards it and it's something we all have to work on of recognizing and being like oh would I say that to a man no then don't say it yeah I think you're very right about that and it actually links to I went down I think I told the story ages ago when it actually happened I went to a comedy club in New York when I was on're very right about that. And it actually links to, I went to, and I think I told the story ages ago when it actually happened. I went to a comedy club in New York when I was on my very last like work trip.
Starting point is 00:20:11 God, like 18 months ago. I remember, yeah. Yeah, and my colleague- That feels like 10 years ago, not 18. Yeah, I know, genuinely. And I was like sat in the front row with my colleague. And I, you know, I was leaving, I was going to do the podcast full time.
Starting point is 00:20:24 And then I had quit by this point technically we were there on holiday after we'd been on a work trip in Boston that's when I got the greyhound and uh the the the female comedian was going around asking people what they did for a living and I whispered to my colleague I was like I really hope she doesn't ask me I'm not ready to say I'm a podcaster because that's just inviting ridicule and she did ask me she was like what do you do for a living and I was like I'm a I'm a podcaster because that's just inviting ridicule and she did ask me she was like what do you do for a living and I was like I'm a I'm a podcaster and she was like oh and she was like and how's it going and I was like yeah it's going well thank you and she was like because she's a woman and she said it's going well thank you she's probably fucking killing it and I was like yeah we kind of
Starting point is 00:20:57 are and I was like yeah that there is that and I think it's it's linked to that idea exactly of what you said that um when women do things that lie outside our normal perception of what is feminine or what is acceptable for a I just think it's really sad. It's really sad that as a woman, I felt like this woman making the point that this man was motivated by rage against women wasn't a strong enough argument. That makes me sad. I'm Jake Warren. And in our first season of Finding,
Starting point is 00:21:39 I set out on a very personal quest to find the woman who saved my mum's life. You can listen to Finding Natasha right now exclusively on Wondery Plus. In season two, I found myself caught up in a new journey to help someone I've never even met. But a couple of years ago,
Starting point is 00:21:55 I came across a social media post by a person named Loti. It read in part, Three years ago today that I attempted to jump off this bridge, but this wasn't my time to go. A gentleman named Andy saved my life. I still haven't found him.
Starting point is 00:22:10 This is a story that I came across purely by chance. But it instantly moved me. And it's taken me to a place where I've had to consider some deeper issues around mental health. This is season two of Finding. And this time, if all goes to plan, we'll be finding Andy. You can listen to Finding Andy and Finding Natasha exclusively and ad-free on Wondery Plus. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondery Show American Scandal.
Starting point is 00:22:40 We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in U.S. history. Presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our latest series, NASA embarks on an ambitious program to reinvent space exploration with the launch of its first reusable vehicle, the Space Shuttle. And in 1985, they announced they're sending teacher Krista McAuliffe into space aboard the Space Shuttle Challenger, along with six other astronauts. But less than two minutes after liftoff, the Challenger explodes. And in the tragedy's aftermath, investigators uncover a series of preventable failures by NASA
Starting point is 00:23:12 and its contractors that led to the disaster. Follow American Scandal on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Experience all episodes ad-free and be the first to binge the newest season only on Wondery+. You can join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial today. Harvard is the oldest and richest university in America. But when a social media-fueled fight over Harvard and its new president broke out last fall, that was no protection.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Claudine Gay is now gone. We've exposed the DEI regime, and there's much more to come. This is The Harvard Plan, a special series from the Boston Globe and WNYC's On the Media. To listen, subscribe to On the Media wherever you get your podcasts. So now we've given you a very brief history of the origins of modern flat earth beliefs and where it all began, we need to get into the meat of the subject. The really interesting stuff isn't how the movement started, but how people actually believe in something so unfounded.
Starting point is 00:24:17 How do swathes of educated people choose to believe that the earth is flat and the centre of the universe, despite all the evidence pointing in the opposite direction. Joseph Osinski, Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Miami, has the following to say. Conspiracy theories are for losers. And he's not saying that to be nasty, he's saying it to be literal. He said, quote, People who have lost an election, money or influence look for something
Starting point is 00:24:46 to explain that loss. The majority of all conspiracy theories are concocted and believed in by the losing side. As Yasinski points out, when Bill Clinton was in office, the right spoke of cocaine dealing and murder. When it was Bush's turn, it was the Blackwater Production Company and the reasons for their involvement in Iraq. The same goes for flat earthers, whose losses can be broken down into a few aspects or causes. Firstly, there's religion. A large majority of flat earthers are young earth creationists. This means that they believe in the literal translation of the Bible,
Starting point is 00:25:22 including the phrase, the four corners of the earth, as written in Isaiah 11, 12, and various other biblical passages, which they interpret to mean that the earth is flat. This puts them in a bit of a bind. Their education and common sense show the earth is a sphere, and if they've ever been in or ever seen a boat going over the horizon, then their entire belief system is on the rocks. This is called cognitive dissonance and it's one of the key factors to believing in any conspiracy theory. In short, cognitive dissonance is when someone holds two beliefs or actions that directly contradict each other. It's a state of mind that our brains try to avoid at all costs. An example of this would be someone who has cheated on their partner, say.
Starting point is 00:26:08 And this is a hypothetical person in a hypothetical situation. This person, like most, fundamentally probably believes that cheating is wrong. Yet, here they are, the morning after the Christmas party, in bed with you-know-who. They tell themselves they're a cheating piece of shit, their partner deserves better, blah, blah, blah. However, they quickly start to tell themselves if their partner paid more attention to them and put a bit more effort into their relationship,
Starting point is 00:26:36 then this wouldn't have happened. And now their reality has moved from being a piece of shit to their partner being a piece of shit within the space of just a few minutes. They can now exist in a world where they believe cheating is wrong, but they themselves have still cheated. But it wasn't actually their fault, and therefore they aren't a steaming pile of human waste.
Starting point is 00:26:59 This person has essentially changed their reality to take away from the cognitive dissonance. It's an uncomfortable feeling, after all, and no one likes it. And really, the moral at the heart of this story is that it's often easier to change your reality than it is to change your beliefs. The same can be said of young Earth creationist Christians who believe in the flat Earth. They, their friends, their family, and their support system all believe that the Bible is the word of God. It's the one piece of knowledge that holds their entire life together. They find a passage in the Bible which they interpret to mean the earth is flat.
Starting point is 00:27:37 However, their reality shows them that the earth is a sphere. The very act of getting on a boat or a plane becomes a similar situation to our cheating partner. So rather than question their deepest faith, they change their reality instead. Rather than accepting the evidence around them, they create their own reality, one in which the evidence around them is an illusion, a conspiracy designed by the man to keep them subjugated. The second factor to believing in a flat earth is the need to feel special. In May 2017, the European Journal of Social Psychology published a study showed that people who have a desire to feel special are significantly more likely to believe in a conspiracy theory. And we touched upon this when we did the Max Byers case, the idea
Starting point is 00:28:23 of people like to have a feeling that they have some access to secret knowledge that other people don't have. It's kind of like a weird narcissistic mentality that you know, living on a giant rock that's spinning its way through space. We are somehow important because the sun and the moon and all the other planets dangle above us rather than us just being one of them. And it makes people feel special. The literal centre of the universe. Exactly. Exactly. And it's also interesting when you think about like the young Earth believers. It's kind of a similar thing because although scientists can dig up as many fossils or remains of animals that existed, you know, millennia ago,
Starting point is 00:29:18 they don't want to be confronted with that information because then these people believe that the earth is young because if it has existed for thousands and thousands millions of years then the apocalypse of things ending imminently which is one of the key tenants of their beliefs feels more unlikely doesn't it why is this planet that's existed for millions of years suddenly going to implode you know next july but if the earth has only existed for 600 years or 6,000 years like they believe, it feels more likely. And I feel like that's maybe a part of why. But, you know, who knows? So if you watch Netflix's Flat Earth documentary, Beyond the Curve, it's abundantly clear how many of the Flat Earth Society's members are divorced, in debt, lost, transient, or just feel like they don't have much to show
Starting point is 00:30:07 for themselves. It's worth a watch, but it's gonna make you sad. Yeah, yeah, I figured that would be the case. So very many people at the forefront of the flat earth movement are so desperate to be like approved they're so desperate to lead they're so desperate to be the cool kid and it's so obvious that that's what they want and then they found this community of people where they like people suddenly like applaud them for being different and being yeah going against the grain Like there's this one, I can't remember the guy's name, but the guy who, at least at the time the documentary was shot, is one of the leaders of Flat Earth. And he goes to the Kennedy Space Center or something,
Starting point is 00:30:57 like a space museum, and he just like walks around with this woman being like, oh yeah, definitely, definitely that's a man on the moon definitely look how massive this space and look how little money nasa has look how shit this door is so it's bizarre it's like god i know like we say like when we're doing sort of more conventional true crime cases we're talking about experts in court you can find an expert's only thing and you can find a flat earther to make you sad yeah because that was my big takeaway from that that is one thing we can absolutely guarantee without a shadow of a doubt and yeah like coming back to the idea of why people desperately want to believe something even if the rest of the world
Starting point is 00:31:37 calls them crazy calls them you know absolutely nuts for believing this thing that is so clearly provable to be false it is just coming back to the idea of feeling that they can be a part of something bigger than themselves and have a piece of knowledge and a group of friends to battle with against the world gives these people genuine fulfillment. And it is understandable as to why. And this is before we even mention the painfully obvious attraction of the earth being the literal centre of the universe to those who need to feel special. It's so like a textbook, almost. This need to feel special links to another key part of believing in any conspiracy theory,
Starting point is 00:32:22 and that is proportionality bias. This is the human tendency to want to believe that big events, like loss, have big causes. As Julian Hewitt explains on the critically acclaimed science YouTube channel Seeker, when a large event happens in our lives, our amygdala, the part of our brain that processes fear and is also responsible for emotional sweating, so thank you, So your amygdala jump starts the part of our brain that looks for patterns, which is our hippocampus. So we can sometimes latch on to an elaborate pattern when we're upset that actually doesn't exist. This often leads people to be dissatisfied with the fairly small, rational explanation for a large
Starting point is 00:33:02 event. So they look for a bigger and more complicated one. Hewitt points to the assassination of JFK as he explains that a lone gunman with a good view being able to take away one of the most important men on the planet is deeply dissatisfying. It doesn't feel big enough and it leaves us feeling scared that our whole world could crumble at the slightest whim. So we look for something bigger. And that's what proportionality bias is. And the same thing can be said for flat earthers. Their JFKs are big events in their own lives.
Starting point is 00:33:36 A divorce, the loss of a child, or the sudden realisation of stagnation, which they try to justify with an equally proportional cause. In this case, a global conspiracy. Believing you lost your job which in turn led to you losing your wife and your kids because you're living in a giant Truman-style bubble where the rich play with your life and lie about the shape of the earth
Starting point is 00:33:59 is a lot easier than believing that you lost everything because a mid-level executive on the other side of the planet decided to order half as many cup holders this quarter. This is an enormous part of the draw of the flat earth conspiracy theory. It is such a huge claim, with so many conspiracies wrapped inside of it, that it contains an almost infinite scope to have caused big events in people's lives. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this month's Patreon wrap-up highlight reel. If you did, again, head on over to patreon.com slash redhanded
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