RedHanded - Bonus - Patreon Round-Up: January 2022

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Red Handed early and ad-free. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. They say Hollywood is where dreams are made. A seductive city where many flock to get rich, be adored, and capture America's heart. But when the spotlight turns off, fame, fortune, and lives can disappear in an instant. Follow Hollywood and Crime, The Cotton Club Murder, on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, it's already been a month. Can you believe it? I can't. So what you're about to hear are some of our personal favorite highlights from the content that we've been putting out over the past month over on Red Handed's Patreon.
Starting point is 00:00:52 If you don't know what I'm talking about, Patreon is a subscription service model. So it's kind of like the Netflix of Red Handed. If you head on over now to patreon.com slash redhanded, that's P-A-T-r-e-o-n dot com slash red handed you can pick the tier that you want to sign up to from five dollars all the way up to twenty dollars and the more you give the more content you get and also you can get your hands on not just all that extra bonus content but regular episodes of red handed ad free every single week so check out this month's wrap up and see if it takes your fancy. In April 1974,
Starting point is 00:01:36 our third victim, Klaus Christmann, left his wife and two children in Germany and flew to San Francisco. He moved in with an American man named Booker T. Williams, which is the most american name i can think of apart from johnny appleseed i think suzy q anon is actually the best one that still has a special place in my heart i love it if i ever need an alias to go on the run i'm going to change my name to suzy q anon and so inconspicuous it was gonna stop me but i'll spell the q anon separately and it won't be until you sound it out so it will be like k u a n o n and
Starting point is 00:02:12 you'll be like suzy q anon and you'll be like got ya now watch me run into the sunset on my little legs with a fucking fucked up ankle so yeah he moves in with an american man named booker t williams who he'd met while the latter was stationed in germany with the u.s army according to an interview that our podcast extraordinaire kevin fagan did with chrisman's daughter he had left to quote achieve something better for himself and his family in fact chrisman's wife and daughter firmly believed that chrisman wasn't gay. However, the ifs and buts
Starting point is 00:02:47 wouldn't matter for Klaus much longer. On the night of the 6th of July, 1974, Klaus was seen dancing at Bojangles, which I don't know why I said it like that,
Starting point is 00:02:56 but... Bojangles, oh, Bojangles, come back and dance. Good old Bojangles. I don't know who we think this club is trying to attract. i don't think the clientele that they were going after would want you to be like a bojangles that's probably not how they
Starting point is 00:03:14 said it was in the town where i grew up i don't know if it's still there anymore there was like you know there's like paint your own pottery oh yeah situations the one in amersham is called bojangles uh-huh i think it's still there anyway i in my dyslexic genius for years thought it was called bodge angels bodge angels that's so just rolls right off the tongue bodge angel bodge angels where are you going for your birthday bodge angels we were talking on sinister societies like on a recent episode like what like our or was it red-handed i can't even remember anymore like a nice words nice words to We were talking on Sinister Societies, like, on a recent episode, like, what, like, our, or was it Red Handed?
Starting point is 00:03:46 I can't even remember anymore. Like, our nice words, nice words to say. Yeah. But I would say that Bojangles is the opposite of a nice word to say. Yeah, it was not my finest moment. No. I did just look up meaning of Bojangles because I'm like, where did that come from? You probably already knew this. The song.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Yeah. And apparently it's about a homeless man yeah Mr Bojangles come back and dance yeah it's about a homeless man who dances for money and he makes friends with someone else and then the friend is like why don't you sort yourself out Mr Bojangles and he's like well son I drinks a bit so it's really sad oh well apparently I don't you probably already know this as well. Apparently, so the Mr. Bojangles was white in the song. But apparently the name or the pseudonym has now been taken by Bill Bojangles Robinson, who was at the time the best paid black entertainer of his era. There you go.
Starting point is 00:04:39 So there you go. Some fun facts about Bojangles. Fucking hell. Speaking of black performers over christmas white christmas was on which has a full-on minstrel show in the middle of it and it was like prime time viewing what is white christmas it's like a bing cosby like old and timey dancey film but there's like a whole musical number in it that's a minstrel show that's called mr bones and like it's one of those things like it's also like that other Christmas
Starting point is 00:05:05 film The Dam Busters there's a dog in that called The N Word and it's played every Christmas it's on every Christmas that it's like it's a completely fine thing to program that's weird that is yeah that's not like you know somebody being like because you know I did find some of the stuff where it was hilarious when people were just like they took like the little logo man off of Land of Lakes butter or whatever and I was like I don't really know. But apparently the person who drew that logo was Native American. Oh, really? They just took it off the butter. No more royalties for you. It's like, I couldn't help but laugh at that. But I think a minstrel show and a dog called the N word is a bit, bit much, bit much. Don't love. But anyway, I'm back to Bojangles at the gay club.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Because that's what it was. By the way, I never even got to the point of saying that. No, so we left Klaus on the 6th of July, 1974, where he was seen having a jolly old time in Bojangles, which is a gay club in San Francisco's Tenderloin District. The next day, his body was found, guess where? On underwhelmingly named Ocean Beach, not far at all from where Gerald Kavanagh's body was found six months earlier.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Again, very reminiscent of the Stephen Port situation. Yes, absolutely. The officers who arrived at the scene were startled by the level of violence that had taken place. Again, very, very similar to Kavanagh and to Stephen's. Chrisman had been stabbed 15 times front and back, very similar to Kavanaugh and Stevens. Christman had been stabbed 15 times front and back, and there were signs of a tremendous struggle. And understandably, when you've been stabbed 15 times, there was blood everywhere. Like the two murders before
Starting point is 00:06:35 this one, the killer seemed fueled by rage and hate. I think that's a fair thing to say, because again, it's like, you can tell by this point, if you have connected the dots and it's serial, that it's most likely not personal to all the victims and so i think that the overkill is indicative of hate there's not much else you can say about that so the sfpd was shocked that the body could have been hacked at so brutally without anyone noticing because if all that blood is found at the beach at the scene of the crime you know that that's the kill site yeah hasn't been moved no no no so the fact that this level of violence has been carried out in a public place is again shocking but 70s california i think people just like don't look don't look over there because then we're gonna
Starting point is 00:07:15 get serial murdered we're too busy inhaling all of this lead exactly again though despite another murder in the space of just six months police noted down very little about Klaus Christmann and you know again the next bit I'm about to tell you I think might explain why because Klaus when he was found was wearing orange bikini shorts carrying a tube of makeup and of course like we said he'd last been seen at a gay club I think to the SFPD he was probably just another dead man who had quote homosexual propensities i think you're probably right about it shall we okay i've got one that is it's just so grim it's unbelievable like i saw a lot of people talking about it on social media
Starting point is 00:07:58 so i think a lot of you especially if you're in the uk will already know about this um we're actually quite, we've actually got no American cases today. Wow. Which is unusual for us. That might be a first. Yeah. Well, don't worry, America. I'm sure you'll...
Starting point is 00:08:12 You'll come up with something. You'll pique our interest next month, I'm sure of it. So, okay, mine is the Carlisle case. And if you know it, you already know it. So, back in 2018, following an anonymous tip-off, the Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority. And I know that is a real thing.
Starting point is 00:08:29 And I know we talked about it in our modern slavery episode. But Gangmasters Agency. Yeah. I do enjoy saying it, but it also. It doesn't mean what you think it means. No, no. But it sounds better than what it is yeah no shade no shade so yeah the uh gll glaa together with the national crime agency
Starting point is 00:08:55 a bit more on the nose named agency if you ask me that's not confusing anyone. Raided a caravan park in Carlisle. Okay. Armed with a search warrant and they found a shed in this, in this caravan park. It was six foot high and it was the one that they were actually looking for. They knew where they were going because of this anonymous tip off. And when they knocked on the door, a disheveled, terrifying man, a terrifying looking man, terrified looking man. Okay, okay. Let's not brand him with that brush.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Yeah, yeah. Terrified looking man in his late 50s opened the door. And unbelievably, this man was actually living in this shed. And I mean, it is a garden shed. It is not like a, look at this static office I've built. Right, right. Just to have an extra room without moving houses I mean because I'm so sick of spending lockdown sat across the kitchen table from my wife precisely and listening to her be bad on phone calls so a tweet that was like I've
Starting point is 00:09:56 found out so much about my husband during lockdown yeah turns out he has a work voice oh my god I would hated my old job I spent like 80 percent of. Oh my God, I would have hated. At my old job, I spent like 80% of the time on the phone. I would have hated for somebody else to listen to me. At work, it's fine because everybody's being a work dick. I was like, no. Because actually I met up with my two friends, the ones who had the whole like phone scare situation.
Starting point is 00:10:21 They were like, we sit across the table from each other and I'm like, this is what you do all day. She she was like that's the kind of conversations you're having this is horrible but anyway so they open this door this man this man's living inside this shed it's got no lights it's got no electricity it's just a fucking garden shed and the only thing that he had in there was a wet duvet on the floor a wet soiled in carlisle which if you're not familiar with the geography of the uk uk is very very far north it's basically scotland yeah it's cold it's cold it's cold here right now and we are in london yeah like it's which has its own microclimate because of the pollution yeah and i was so it's generally warmer
Starting point is 00:11:02 than the rest of the country because we're wearing a nice little smock blanket. Yeah. So, yeah, he's got a wet duvet on the floor and even the window in the shed is broken. It doesn't close properly. So, again, it's cold and the window doesn't close. And there's, of course, no heating. One of the officers told the media later after this situation had unfolded that, quote, the man was living in
Starting point is 00:11:25 conditions that no human being should have been in and at one point the man asked permission to clean himself up because they were obviously going to take him out of this fucking shed and the officers kind of look around to be like where and he told the officers that he washed in a kitchen sink that had been awkwardly plumbed into a corner of this shed. And if you're shocked by all this, it's not even close to being the most shocking part of this case. And I just want to reiterate, like, this happened in 2018. This is so recently. After speaking with the man, investigators learned that he had been living in this shed since he was 16 years old he was in his
Starting point is 00:12:07 50s when they found him oh my god so he had been in that shed for at least 40 years existing in there sleeping on the floor washing in that sink with no heating and a broken window and he'd been working working quote unquote on a local farm being paid £10 a day for an entire day's worth of labour. So I think it's safe to say that this is slavery. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He's a slave. And thankfully he was rescued that morning by the police. He was given specialist help and he was placed in supported accommodation just outside of cumbria so that man is now safe um i just don't think we
Starting point is 00:12:49 should name him i just think we should just let him get on with his life basically as for who was responsible yeah name that bitch yeah let's talk about those people because this man hadn't fallen on hard times and ended up in a shed and stayed there because he had no money he was being kept there and the man that was responsible for keeping this man a slave for 40 years was found to be a person named peter swales senior who was 79 years old at the time they found this man living in the shed right so he's about 30 years older than the guy so if he had been 16 when he was put in there this guy would have been in his mid-40s when he captured a 16 year old and officers didn't have to travel very far to find mr peter swales senior because he actually lived in a static caravan on the same exact site presumably so he could keep an eye on his slave and he was swiftly arrested on suspicion of offenses under the modern slavery act 2015
Starting point is 00:13:45 and the only thing this is just makes you want to fucking punch this dick the only thing he said when he was arrested and they confronted him with the fact that they had found this man living in the fucking shed being kept there by him he said quote not all this slavery thing again yep and it gets worse because his son peter swales jr who at the time was 59 so just a few years older than the man they found in the shed was also arrested and they were both charged with conspiring to facilitate the support of an individual with the intent to exploit them and both of them actually initially pleaded not guilty even though they found a man living in the shed who was like they're the ones that made me stay there but after a three-year investigation so they really just want to fucking waste everybody's time
Starting point is 00:14:37 waste taxpayers money waste police time by pleading not guilty to something that is patently provable three-year investigation later finally peter swells senior who by this time would have been in his early 80s decided that he was going to admit it sadly or not sadly depending on how you feel about this situation peter senior died in september 2021 so just a few months ago before his trial so like we didn't even have to fucking stand trial i kind of hate that and peter jr his son um he did end up having um he ended up surviving and his modern slavery trial is actually set to take place this month okay so january 2022 but like his daddy he too has since changed his plea to guilty.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Good. So there won't be a trial now. And hopefully there will just be a swift sentence of go live in this shed for the rest of your life. So apparently Peter Jr. only agreed to take the guilty plea on the basis of his limited involvement with the victim um though he did accept that he knew about the living conditions that the man was um existing in in this shed but yeah it's just the whole thing is so sick apparently sentencing is going to take place on the 22nd of february but with the covid backlog we don't know when this is actually going to happen so we will have to wait and see what comes of this as for the victim apparently and this is reports based on social services and what they're saying so i'm really happy to hear this that apparently he
Starting point is 00:16:14 couldn't be happier with his new accommodation because he's not living in a shed and he's living in a flat somewhere and although he will no doubt be incredibly traumatized, probably forever, no matter how much help they give him. I mean, he was in there for 40 years. He is getting all the help that he needs now, which is good to know. So happy ending, sort of. But to retouch on the episode that we did all those months ago, according to the Global Slavery Index index there are apparently over a hundred thousand people living in modern slavery in the uk right now and this man that they managed to find and save was just one of them wow also interesting to know um i i forgot to mention this he was british
Starting point is 00:16:59 so it was yeah it's worth mentioning you know he hadn't been sort of brought in here from somewhere else and being kept in there. He was presumably a 16 year old who at some point had a family. Why didn't they look for him? What happened to that? What happened to that boy who is the man now? We just don't know. And it's a very sad state of affairs. Sorry, everybody.
Starting point is 00:17:20 That was a bit of a miserable start. They say Hollywood is where dreams are made. A seductive city where many flock to get rich, be adored, and capture America's heart. But when the spotlight turns off, fame, fortune, and lives can disappear in an instant. When TV producer Roy Radin was found dead in a canyon near L.A. in 1983, there were many questions surrounding his death. The last person seen with him was Laney Jacobs, a seductive cocaine dealer who desperately wanted to be part of the Hollywood elite. Together, they were trying to break into
Starting point is 00:17:57 the movie industry. But things took a dark turn when a million dollars worth of cocaine and cash went missing. From Wondery comes a new season of the hit show Hollywood and Crime, The Cotton Club Murder. Follow Hollywood and Crime, The Cotton Club Murder on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of The Cotton Club Murder early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondery Show American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in U.S. history. Presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our latest series, NASA embarks on an ambitious program to reinvent
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Starting point is 00:20:17 So I went for dinner with my two friends. They're the couple that just got married in Glastonbury this summer. So I feel like I'm going to have to say their names because the names are a part of the story. They're pretty bait names. They're pretty bait names. So it's James and Louise. I've known them for years. Lovely couple.
Starting point is 00:20:35 And neither of them are from anywhere near where I grew up. But just by chance, even though they used to live in London, they decided to move to Hitchin which is a town basically next to where I grew up um very nice town they bought a very nice house they're very happy then I went for dinner with them and they were like we need to tell you what happened to us last week and I was like what and this is the weirdest story so they were like one o'clock James just says I just woke up I don't know why i woke up i just woke up and i picked up my phone to look at the time and suddenly i saw a bunch of notifications that appeared on my phone because he has um he has like a uh like a prepaid card right like it
Starting point is 00:21:18 wasn't a revolute but that's the name stuck in my head because i used to have a revenue and and he's suddenly getting all these notifications for money being spent at that moment on his prepaid card and he's like what the fuck obviously it's not me i'm asleep yeah yeah so he's like this is really strange and it's all and he's like i haven't got that much money in there and he was like i even contemplated just going back to sleep because he was like there's not that much money in there i don't i don't know if i can be bothered to deal with this and um then he is like fine no i should and then he gets up to log into the app and then suddenly his phone starts to ring and it's not an un it's not it doesn't say unknown number it's got a mobile number that's calling him so he's like this feels like too much of a coincidence but it can't be the bank because
Starting point is 00:22:04 it's it probably isn't the bank because it's one in the morning unless they're calling me from some other country so he's like fine and louise is awake by this point so he answers the phone and suddenly it's just a man's voice on the other end saying hi james i know and james like what who is this and he's like don't worry about who this is but we're coming to your house now what i know i know and he's like we're coming to your house now your house is going to get raided and we're we're almost there and stuff like this and then he can hear like laughing in the background and stuff like this is very very sinister and i was like what the fuck and hitchin is like one of the things about hitchin is like such a low crime rate and we're
Starting point is 00:22:45 just like what the fuck is going on so they're like freaking out they're completely panicking the fact that this man on the phone knows their name knows james's name etc they're like right this is really strange and then the phone cuts out and they're like right should we take this seriously how worried should we be obviously at 1am you are like we should take this incredibly seriously then they i can't remember if they called the police first or if this call happened first but let's say they call the police yeah they call 999 and they're like this is what's happening there at first the police are just like don't worry about it like we'll we'll send someone to do a drive by of the house and just check
Starting point is 00:23:20 everything is okay then while they're waiting for the police to arrive the phone rings again and they answer it again this time james got it on speakerphone so louise can hear it as well this time the guy goes hi jim and jim is obviously a short is a nickname for james but no one calls james jim except his family and louise so like at the wedding his pair his brother was like calling him jim for example but no one and i've known james for years no one calls him james outside of that group of people though you could say it's a common name for james so maybe it's not that weird that this guy knew that but he calls him jim and he's like hi jim and he's just like basically making more threats more threats that they're coming and he's saying things like we're outside etc they look outside the window and there's someone out with a torch
Starting point is 00:24:09 and they obviously freak out then the the person holds the torch to their chest and you can see it's a police officer okay and so they've sent a police officer they let the police officer inside the house and they're like telling them what's happened etc they take the number and they say they're going to trace the number because the number again isn't hidden it's just a mobile number so trace the number and um then they get the call back from the police station while the police officer is thankfully still in the house to explain where this number's been traced to the number's been traced to somerset which is where which is where louise is from it's not where james is from it's where louise is oh my god james is like from Wiltshire or some shit.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Somewhere else. He's from somewhere farming. They didn't meet till uni, so it's not like they didn't know each other growing up or anything. So Louise is from Somerset. The number is from Somerset,
Starting point is 00:24:58 is registered to a person in Somerset. Gets even weirder. And they're like, we've got the name of the person the phone is registered to. And the police officer is like, does the name mean anything to you is louise's dad's name oh my god i know and i was like what the fuck and i was like did the guy on the phone who called you twice and they had like spoke to him for quite a while did he have a somerset accent they were
Starting point is 00:25:23 like no you're like a fucking london accent and she was like sure shit wasn't my dad yeah yeah yeah it sounded like um it sounded like a guy in like our age yeah from london they were like there was no way he was from somerset and there's no way it was my dad or anyone we're related to so they're like completely freaking out louise is freaking out now because she thinks her dad's in danger jesus so then they then the police officer is like can you call your parents and it's like 2 30 in the morning now so they call louise's parents and she's just like my parents are like woken up in the middle of the night they're completely freaked out because we're saying this guy's got you know their their number and stuff and also louise's parents had like had some other stuff happen to them before around identity fraud so they were really freaked
Starting point is 00:26:02 out that this was happening again and just like an absolute nightmare night of like weirdness but nothing else happened that night so then the police officer was like well you know i have to leave so police officer leaves and this was a week ago and they were like they just got all the locks in the house changed and blocked that number but they were like realistically like what what more can we do and i was like to james i think you should change your number i think you should change your number cancel that prepaid card get rid of everything um but other than that like yeah what can you really do but so fucking weird like from somerset oh i don't like that and also the weird thing is they were calling james they'd hacked into his bank account they were calling him james him jim talking about him
Starting point is 00:26:45 they never referenced louise but the number is registered somerset and it's in louise's dad's name like it's so strange that is so weird i don't know man really fucking my friends um comrade agita had a similar thing where they're my friends who i'm going to go and hang out with in south africa um comrade used to have a production company, which I'm obviously not going to say, but let's just say it's called like Hughes Productions. Yeah. And because he used to make like films and stuff and like online games before he moved on to like,
Starting point is 00:27:16 he programs games now. But anyway, so he used to just have this production company that he used to do like stuff with when we were in Korea. Hasn't used it for years but it still exists um and there's some sort of i'm gonna do a bad job of explaining this um essentially someone has been using hughes productions as a front for a bitcoin scam oh no and because it's obviously on company's house it's registered to comrade all of these people have been getting in touch with him being like where the fuck is my money oh no and like that's like my biggest fear and like there's loads
Starting point is 00:27:58 of stuff on reddit about how what a terrible person he is and how he's like scammed all these people out there's money and he's like it's not me jesus and there's apparently been even people calling him and he's been like on video call with these people be like this is what i look like this is my house this is my pregnant wife like i am not this person that you need but there's nothing he can do about it because like the company that somehow someone's got hold of enough information to be running this scheme out of his holding company essentially oh my god yeah i think it's all down now but shred all the addresses that come to all of the labels with all of your names and addresses shred it all fucking out no it's
Starting point is 00:28:36 real it's like a real i was used to laugh at my dad when he always used to constantly go on about us like just ripping the label off everything and like tearing like the shipping label off everything and tearing it up i was like now i'm scared i'm scared of everything but the thing is it's very readily available on companies house it doesn't matter i mean yeah but again if it makes you feel better yeah yeah why risk it so if you enjoyed that head on over as i said to patreon.com slash red handed to become a red handed patron today and can you believe the doodler they found more victims since we recorded that. Zeitgeist.
Starting point is 00:29:21 He was hip-hop's biggest mogul. The man who redefined fame, fortune, and the music industry. The first male rapper to be honored on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Sean Diddy Cone. Diddy built an empire and lived a life most people only dream about. Everybody know ain't no party like a Diddy party, so. Yeah, that's what's up. But just as quickly as his empire rose, it came crashing down. Today I'm announcing the unsealing of a three-count indictment,
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