RedHanded - Bonus - Patreon Round-Up: July 2022

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

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We like to drop this into your feed to remind you that if you are not a patron, you are missing out. So we've collated some stuff for you. So we've got talking about Samo Farah and his tragic trafficking story. We also have how North Korea are convinced that they got COVID because South Korea sent it over the border in balloons. And then we have an extract from our bonus episode all about lobotomies. Did you know that JFK's sister had one? Because she did, and now you know. And then you're going to double know more. And then, of course, we have a rundown of us winning the Listener's Choice

at the British Podcast Awards for the second year in a row. So keep listening for more filled- out versions of what I just said. So anyway, moving on from your Rhino chat, did you see about Sir Mo Farah? I did, I saw it this morning. So Sir Mo Farah is a British long distance runner and the most successful British track athlete in all of history. And also the origin of my favorite joke ever to be made on Radio 1. What was it? I feel like you've told me before, but I can't remember. Where they had him on as a guest and I think it was Greg James when Lamar went on Pop World

and Makita Oliver and Simon Anstall interviewed him from the other side of a car park with a megaphone just so they could call it Lamar from afar. That was so much British history just there in that sentence that so many people don't understand. Well, I found it funny. Sorry, guys. References references you're

gonna have to just look them up just go fucking youtube pot world look it up look it up um but yeah so my pharah like i said fucking incredible athlete national treasure uh face of oral b because he has the teeth of a god lovely and seemingly lovely human being i've watched him on sunday sunday kitchen many a time Seems like a lovely man. But in a recent documentary by the BBC, it kind of hit headlines this morning, Mo Farah revealed that he was actually trafficked into the UK as a child

and forced to work as a domestic servant. This story of what happened to Mo Farah is very reminiscent of things like what happened to Victoria Klimbie. Obviously, Mo Farah is very reminiscent of um things like what happened to Victoria Klimbie um obviously Mo Farah wasn't murdered uh like Victoria was but it's a very similar story of how he ended up in the UK so um the Olympic star told the BBC like I said that his name wasn't isn't even Mo Farah it is or Mohammed Farah but it's actually Hussein Abdi Kahin. And he'd always said in the past, when he was being interviewed and stuff, that he'd come to the UK as a refugee from Somalia with his parents. That isn't true. And he said that he wasn't ready to talk about what had

actually happened to him and he wasn't ready to face up to it. So what actually did happen, according to Samoa, is that his father was actually killed in the violence in their homeland of Somalia slash Somaliland which is um like a breakaway state that declared independence in 1991 but has never officially been recognized but that's where his parents technically live or lived um and after his dad was killed this woman who he'd never met before was just and this is why it's very similar to Victoria Columbia this woman he'd never met before was just and this is why it's very similar to victoria columbia this woman he'd never met before was like um i've got a passport he can use um and i'll take him to europe and he can go live with some relatives and um mo says that he was excited about the opportunity he was excited to go on a flight so he came with her um but he didn't go to live with

relatives and said he was sold into slavery he didn't even go to school until he was 12 years old and uh when he did go to school it was sport and track and this is all from his own words a sport and track that became a lifeline for him and this bit i i like actually was tearing up when i read this um eventually he confided in his PE teacher at school a man named Alan Watkinson Alan Watkinson is the real MVP of this story um because PE teacher Mr Watkinson I think we should call him uh when he found out what really happened to Mo he called social services and got Mo successfully fostered by another Somali family I'm sorry it's like it's just so sad and um when he wanted to when Mo was like a teenager and he was like invited to go compete uh at competitions in like

Europe and stuff because Mr. Watkinson was like you're fucking fast at running and you can run really far um he couldn't go because he didn't have any official documents and he didn't have a real British passport and obviously this had all been outed because Mr. Watkinson had to declare the truth. And then Mr. Watkinson stepped up again to help Mo apply for citizenship successfully in 2000. So Mr. Watkinson, changing lives, changing lives. Have you seen the, I also watched the interview with Mo Farah this morning. And he was like, I really think about the quite and quite real Mo Farah. I don't know where he is.

Oh, God. God. It's so sad. And I've got his name and his passport. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm a literal knight. Yeah, yeah. And like, where is he?

Yeah, yeah. And the reason we're still calling him Mo Farah is because he applied, he kept the name and he applied for British citizenship in 2000. That is, that's how recently yeah in 2000 as mo farah and like and to give him his proper name sir mo farah because he is indeed a knight he is a knight of the realm and deservedly so because uh yeah yeah i am i also i don't know if you've seen this. So Ian Wright famously cries all the time. He's a footballer. Not anymore.

Now he's a commentator, but like one of the best sort of sports personalities of this country has ever seen. He did a documentary where he was talking about, because the whole story of Ian Wright is that he got into football reasonably quite late and he only went to a trial at Crystal Palace because he'd been in prison and he had to like pay off this fine right it is dramatized

he was in prison for like a week but like he had for a parking fine or something that he couldn't pay um and he was just like okay I'll go to this palace trial because I might get some money out of it lo and behold becomes one of the greatest players of all time um but he does cry often and there was a similar situation in documentary it was made about him um i've also listened to his desert island disc in which he cries about how beautiful his wife is anyway um i know i don't know who he's married to they basically so in this documentary he's like sat in the arsenal stadium just like talking about how like how much of a camaraderie there was but in the team blah blah and then his school teacher whose

name escapes me i've seen this just comes up behind he was like i thought you were dead honestly if you if you watch that without crying yeah you are made of stone it's very sweet it's very sweet i love you ian oh it's just yeah some heartwarming news that i mean not really about what happened to mo but mr watkinson he should be a knight of the realm yeah yes let's start a petition to make mr watkinson from feltham high school i think it is was where mo went to school yeah a fucking knight of the realm give him all of them give him all of the awards make him queen let's make him queen and the new Tory leader

Mr. Watkinson from PM overthrows the constitutional monarchy I'm here for it let's go um but yeah so that is some tragic stuff. Yeah. Would you like to hear how North Korea thinks it got COVID? Oh, yes. Who proposed, just, uh, is it Kim Jong? Big K, yeah. Big K, got it. Special K.

Special K says that COVID-19 floated over the border from South Korea in balloons. Um, and which is less ridiculous than it sounds. Um, and that the people of North Korea should stop touching alien objects and that will stop them getting COVID-19. It sounds ridiculous however, it's not a new idea. When I went to the DMZ however many fucking years ago, there was obviously

you never know what's true and what's not because the DMZ is not only a tourist trap trap it's completely run by American GIs who have their own propaganda to to spin but the argument was that that they were saying that North Korea fill balloons full of rubbish like beer and juice and then float it over the border just as like a protest so the balloon idea isn't new so maybe special case got wind of it being like hey hey hey hey yeah wait a second covid yeah covid balloons covid balloons well there you go i believe it i mean there's should i take that no no sorry

it's just because we just recorded shorthand and we don't do names on shorthand so i was just like well what uh what year is it who knows the combinations, the permutations of all of these have gone completely out of the window. So it doesn't matter. You know who we are because you're a fucking patron. So welcome to your bonus episode for the month of July. I am pumped for this episode, but I think it's going to scare me. It's about lobotomies. Oh yeah. The real good stuff. We're getting into it. We're getting into it. So, yes, we are looking at lobotomies today. The unbelievably grim medical procedure that was carried out tens of thousands of times across the Western world.

And how something as obviously damaging as taking an ice pick to a person's brain was allowed to enter routine medical practice. But to do that, we've got to shoot back, all the way back to the real pasto times. I think the furthest we've ever gone, the furthest back we have ever traveled in our time machine, which is the power of our minds. We are talking about prehistoric ancestors here. And what they would do is they drill a hole into the skull of some poor bastard with a headache in an attempt to free the evil demons trapped inside. If you are familiar with His Dark Materials materials trilogy the beginning of northern lights is all about trepanning love it i love a bit of trepanning though if i had been around back then i'd probably just keep my headache to myself i just keep it quiet hope it went away go chew on some willow

bark fucking hell because i remember i was obviously like a really fucking creepy little kid so i was reading about all this when I was very young anyway. But I remember there is a horror film that is like a very unknown horror film that I would recommend. It's got Sean Bean in it. Okay. And like some blonde girl and some woman. I can't remember. None of them are like known actors apart from Sean.

And it's I think it was shot on like the Isle of Man or something. And it's just like a little cottage on this island in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by sheep. And there's a ghost. And the ghost was of a former sheep farmer who trepanned all his sheep and trepanned his kid. Oh. It's pretty good. Okay. I think it's called like The Dark.

I'll find it. I'll put a link in the episode description. Don't lie. If you're mad about it. No, I won't. I won't. I'll try. But I've given you a good enough description that if you want to find it, you can find it.

Because I obviously won't do that. Sean Bean trepanning, probably. Sean Bean trepanning sheep. You'll find it. So this gruesome technique, which we've already given the game away, it was called trepanning, still is called trepanning. And it's generally considered to be one of the oldest surgical procedures in history. Archaeologists have actually found trepanned Neolithic skulls in France that are over 7,000 years old. Evidence of this grim practice has been found the world over, from the Aztecs to the ancient Chinese and the Romans. Astonishingly though, it seems like the survival

rate of drilling a hole into someone's actual head is way higher than you may think. Prince Philip of Orange was trepanned 17 times. And he only actually died as a result of a poorly carried out enema, which messed up his intestines. Wow, that's something. Which, would I take that over a hole in the head? I don't know. I think if I was given a choice, I'd have to go hole in the head. Yeah, I mean, the holes in the head didn't kill him. The enema did. Yeah. So one huge modern proponent of trepanation trepanation trepanation of trepanation is the dutch librarian hugo bart hughes three first names serial killer or librarian also i love this guy's just like i'm a librarian but i'm a big fan of

this i'm gonna really push for this yeah with zero medical training just drill a hole in my brain baby go for it so Hughes was refused a medical degree from the University of Amsterdam for his advocacy of LSD research which I you know fine we've come full circle now I feel like everybody's everybody's into that everybody's looking into it I went to a very interesting talk about psychedelic drugs and their use for treating psychiatric conditions it It was fascinating. And he actually, what's that called? Who is Maria Juana? Mary Juana.

Mary Juana? Maria Juana? Oh. You should just leave that in, actually, because I was reading the script and then it just has a random line where it says he named his daughter Maria Juana. And I was like, who like who's Maria Juana like why is that relevant to this story I see and I was just looking at her across the table waiting for the penny to drop pennies dropped pennies dropped into the hole in my head so Hughes actually drilled a hole into his own

skull there you go you know you've got to walk the walk. He certainly did walk the walk. Right into a fucking wall after a hole in his head. But he did this in 1965 using a foot-operated electric dentist drill. Oh my God, I can't cope. That is some fucking nightmare shit. And then he went on to write a book about the perceived benefits of trepanning titled Borehole. Sure.

Why not? What happened to you? Hughes. What happened to you, Hugo Bart? Well, I think it's the story of a man who wasn't allowed to become a doctor and had to become a librarian and then was really angry about it. Jesus. I actually know someone who had to have a borehole.

Yeah, she had a stroke. And in Celebration, Florida, which is a town built by Disney, she was there having dinner. She was at my mum's wedding, actually. Yeah, she had a stroke. And in Celebration, Florida, which is a town built by Disney, she was there having dinner. She was at my mum's wedding, actually. Yeah, she had a stroke in a restaurant and had to go to hospital and they drilled a hole in her head, which now she's fine. Well, there you go. What do I fucking know?

And Hughes was also fine because in the end, he only actually died of heart disease at the age of 70 in 2004. So what we're saying is everyone, get a dentist drill off Amazon. If you want to, it might not kill you. Yeah. You might just die of some sort of horrible stroke or cardiovascular disease much later in your life. So he didn't die of the hole in his head, but he did leave behind numerous writings

on trepanation, which influenced British-born, Eton-educated, Oxford graduate Boris Johnson. I'm kidding. Joris Bonson? Joris Bonson. No, this guy's name is Joey Mellon and he followed in Hughes's footsteps. So why did he drill a hole in his head? In his own words, it was to get permanently high. That sounds horrible.

Yeah, I saw a YouTube interview with a guy who used to manufacture LSD and accidentally spilt it. And he's like, it's a living hell. Like my eyes are kaleidoscopes all the time. Yeah, no, I think being permanently high sounds fucking awful. No, no, no, thank you. Fun fact though, which is unsurprising considering where he went to school and then university, Joey Mellon had two sons, Rock Basil Hugo Fielding Mellon and Cosmo Birdie Fielding Mellon and in 2011

Rock, Rock Basil got himself a cabinet position in the Conservative Kensington and Chelsea Council but was forced out after Grenfell. This all sounds so pasto. He was there when Grenfell happened. Yeah, yeah. Fucking hell.

Well, he's still around because today he's the director of a new psychedelic venture studio company and they're devoted to providing safe and wide access to psychedelic medicines. Great. Maybe you should have done some training on fucking cladding, my friend. So trepanning was, of course, crude, but it was the very first form of psychosurgery, a field that got a lot worse before it got better. Because just 80 years ago, a psychosurgical procedure was carried out around the world that was far more barbaric than Trapanning, far more arcane and far more devastating even. This modern procedure was so fucked up in fact that the Soviet Union was one of the first global powers to ban it, arguing that it was

contrary to the principles of humanity. The USSR made their position clear on the global stage when Soviet psychiatrist Nikolai Osoresky announced at the World Federation of Mental Health that lobotomies turned an insane person into an idiot. So what is a lobotomy exactly? The first ever lobotomy was carried out in 1935 by Portuguese neurologist Antonio Igaz Moniz. He believed that by damaging the connection between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain he would be able to prevent the patient from experiencing distressing thoughts and exhibiting abnormal behaviours. Maybe because you'd be so bothered by the hole in your face all of a sudden i'm less worried about all of my other crippling anxieties now that there's a hole in

my face yeah wouldn't catch me picking my nose now such abnormal behavior if you've read the book you will already know this but if you haven't go and buy it but also keep listening because i'm going to tell you anyway the frontal lobe is the part of the brain responsible for higher cognitive functions like memory emotions impulse control impulse control, problem solving, social interaction, motor function, etc. The prefrontal cortex, which lives in the frontal lobe, is our emergency brake. It stops us from texting our ex or jumping off really high stuff. And if your prefrontal cortex is damaged, you are in big trouble. Psychopaths, for example, have a diminished connection between their emotional center, the amygdala, that's a bit reductive, but get over it, and their prefrontal cortex.

So they don't have the little voice telling them to take a deep breath and walk away. Monis called the first iteration of his surgery a leucoptomy. And like Trapanning, it involved drilling holes into the skull. And then, unlike Trapanning, pumping ethanol into the frontal cortex to destroy the brain tissue. It's what Dharma was doing. Yeah, I was going to say, alright Dharma. Yeah, yeah. I think someone wanted a sex zombie, I think.

Overall, the procedure was deemed a success. Although, Moniz did note that using ethanol made it difficult to avoid unintended damage to other parts of the brain. Shucks. Well, fuck me. Well, fucking drill a hole in my head and fill it full of ethanol. So he refined this procedure by using a leucotome, a sinister-looking metal instrument, which I guess you could say was the bleeding edge of psychiatric science at the time.

It was a kind of a long spike with retractable wires that allowed Moniz to remove chunks of white matter from the patient's brain i guess who despite her parents wishes is not a doctor i never ever ever ever will be sometimes i still see longing in my parents eyes when you hear because my dad was like oh this guy i worked with you know he's in his 40s and he's just like i'm gonna quit i'm not gonna do the bank stuff anymore and he's gone and trained as a doctor and I'm like uh-huh I barely made it through an episode about lobotomies no oh my god I went to like this cocktail making thing a couple of months ago and the guy who was doing the cocktails the bartender I was telling him about the podcast

blah blah blah and then the next day he'd obviously gone and listened to it and then I got like a flurry of dms from him being like oh my god I love your podcast and while I was there I was like can you make me a red-handed cocktail and I'll like put up the ingredients or whatever and I kind of feel like he half-assed it and he was just like I'll do it at the end and he was like whatever and then he messaged me he's like please don't post that I will make you so much better of a red-handed cocktail now that I actually love the show and I wonder if we get him to do us one but we call it a leucotomy maybe because it's like drill a hole in your head and fill it with ethanol I know it sounds like a fucking disingenuous little prick I don't know if I

want anything to do with him I don't know I'm not allowed bartenders anymore keep them away from me no no no no don't worry he's not buying what you're selling. The following year, an American neurologist and psychiatrist, Dr. Walter Freeman, which like, if we had the soundboard, thunderclap. Should I do it? I don't know what that was. I got confused. Maybe I have had a Le Cocte to me. And by which I mean a cocktail, not a whole drill to my head. I thought the cat noise I did was much better in the last episode.

It was the same noise. I know. It was like it came back into my head and then I started clapping. It's your go-to noise. It's your panic noise. So, Dr. Walter Freeman, bad, bad guy. His partner, Dr. James Watts, bad guy, not quite as bad, but still pretty bad. Both of them became lobotomy evangelists. and they popularized the surgery in the US.

So basically, it's all their fault. At first, everyone bought into the idea. The New York Times even dubbed it the new surgery of the soul. And in an attempt to make it quicker, cleaner, cheaper, and more accessible, Freeman developed a new method that he called the prefrontal lobotomy. He started off by using an actual ice pick to reach into the patient's prefrontal cortex through their eye socket instead of drilling holes in the skull. Right. Another method that they came up with was the transorbital lobotomy, which involved a more robust version of the leucotome called an orbiter clast. Ooh.

Freeman would insert the orbiter clast into the top of the eye socket, then tap the top with a hammer to break through the thick layer of bone. She's going pretty green over here, guys. She's clutching her eyebrows. It just makes me feel so unwell. And the thick layer of bone that I'm talking about is, of course, the layer of bone that we need to protect our precious fucking thought organ that is your brain.

This is horrific. I know, I know that all of this is a reality. I can watch it in horror films, but I'm feeling very queasy right now. Though I would definitely go to a museum which had all of these on the wall. Mate, Hunterian, I'm telling you. Let's go. So once Freeman broke through to the brain, he twirled the orbiter clast around

like he was mixing a cocktail in order to cut through the fibres. The method took no more than 10 minutes because it didn't require drilling into the skull and it could be carried out by just knocking a patient unconscious with electroconvulsive shocks.

Well done. You did it. That's the worst bit. Back in Portugal, Moniz, remember him, the guy who invented the whole thing, was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1949 for inventing the lobotomy, which even at the time was a pretty controversial move. A lot of people in the medical and psychiatric communities were adamantly opposed to the idea of sticking needles in people's brains, swirling them around and hoping for the best. These people became more and more vocal as the results of the surgery became more apparent. Like we said earlier, lobotomies were initially used to treat mental disorders that up until then had been deemed

untreatable. That included schizophrenia, severe OCD and even depression. And people just accepted that this treatment, quote unquote, would come at the cost of the patient's personality and intellect. Lobotomies were also used as a part of gay conversion therapy, as recently as the 60s. But that is a topic for another day. The effects of the divisive surgery were a mixed bag. Many patients were left with a drastically reduced ability to function independently and displayed serious cognitive impairment. Many more patients died from the procedure or were left in a vegetative state. This is unbelievable. This week where we have a little guest joining us

that was that was ideal sound buttoning sound boarding it's the only one i remember i will i'll never forget now i don't know which one makes the cat noise oh wait that's me so should I do that thing that people do on social media that I find inexplicably annoying where they put their hand behind things that are like too big anyway but there you go we won we all won guys this is fucking crazy so Hannah and I obviously went to the British Podcast Awards on Sunday Saturday Saturday and we came home with this glorious jelly like trophy you could kill someone with this thing it's fucking sharp there we go we have two twins two it's so great it's so great so like obviously we went to the awards um it was in kennington park in london uh big tent it felt like obviously i didn't go to last year's but

it felt like the biggest one that i had been to i'd say like maybe 300 people or so were there like the peak time went on for fucking ages and we sat through the entire thing unlike literally everyone else there Idris Elba was there Idris Elba was his wife uh so that was uh you know pretty cool just to be like hey it's Luther and then we had to go because he presented an award and then I was like I know it I know what's about to happen and then everyone was like oh my god it's Idris Elba and then he disappeared backstage and then everyone was like, oh my God, it's Idris Elba. And then he disappeared backstage. And then it was like next up. And I was like,

I know we're presenting this next award because we got to do that for the first time this year. And I'm like, great. Just follow up, Luther. Why not? Yeah, no, exactly. It felt so bad for the poor girls

that we were presenting. The last people just got a hug off Idris Elba and you'll get a hug off me. I kind of look like Ruth Wilson. You do. Just a knock off Ruth Wilson. Yeah look like ruth wilson you do just a knockoff ruth wilson yeah that's the next there we go there we go you don't get it yourself but you get ruth wilson's face double she'll give you a hug and we're only slightly incredibly sweaty because we've been sat

in a tent all day so yes we had honestly the most incredible time because we won like it was great being there it was really nice to like see a lot of people in the podcasting industry Hannah and I don't really get to industry events we don't really leave this office apart from to go home so it was nice to like go somewhere filled with podcast people yeah and um yeah it was just the best day we so we before we had to go on stage, so we presented an award following Idris Elba. And then we knew that the, um, listener's choice is the second to last category. The only category that comes after us is podcast of the year. And the way that somebody wins that is every gold category, every gold winner from every category,

apart from listener's choice, apart from listener's choice gets entered into it and then they can they can stand a chance of winning podcast of the year so we are the penultimate award that we're waiting for and the one before us is podcast champion yeah so they usually give it to somebody who has had a big impact on podcasting and personally yeah so it's like fern cotton last year adam buxton's had it like you know that sort of level of person exactly and we were like i I wonder who it will be because it's the one directly before us. Needless to say, it got incredibly eye wet right before we went on stage.

It was a lot. Oh my, because obviously it was, you know, Dame Dawn died a couple of weeks ago. You, Me and the Big C is an enormous show. So now two of the hosts of You Yumi and the Big C is an enormous show. So now two of the hosts of Yumi and the Big C have died. It's about cancer in case you didn't guess. And the only remaining host, well, firstly, Cariad Lloyd got up

and gave this like rabble rousing speech about Dame Dawn. And then the final presenter got up and did this whole speech about how cancer affects one in two people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I cannot stop crying. Just could not bring it. And I knew in my head, I was like, it's next. It's next. It's next. It's next. And you're not gonna be able to get it together. Yeah. It was a lot. It was, it was a lot. I think, you know, even for someone whose dad did not die of cancer, uh, it would have been quite a lot, but like, cause I was crying, but i was crying but i

was crying mainly because you were crying um but it was like no one's saying it's a lot like she shouldn't have been able to do it she fucking killed it yeah a host of you me in the big seat there were three of them that started that podcast and two of them have died since like to not feel emotionally overwhelmed by that like i don't know how you couldn't um so we were sat in the front row we were like Hannah is you were obviously very upset completely understandably so and I was like I was getting upset and then I was like fuck we have to go on stage in about 30 seconds to accept because we didn't know we had won but we kind of knew we had won we had a hunch because we did email them and we were like listen have we won and they were like we can't tell you but if you come you probably won't be disappointed so we were

like okay we've won let's go and that was only the day before um and so we were waiting there for the results to come through and just so many crying i just knew i just knew um and then so couldn't get it together and then obviously you come up, did speeches, that was fine. Came off. More crying. More crying. And then obviously what happens at award shows is after you win an award, you have to go and do several interviews.

So not only did I have to have my picture taken about 17,000 times with just like little fucking naked mole rat eyes and just like crying. Also forgot to bring my sunglasses with me so i couldn't even hide it um and then surya had to go off and do anything well we were supposed to go off and do an interview and i just looked at surya i was like i can't do that you didn't you didn't miss much you didn't miss hello did you enjoy that good well if you did then you can get your ears on so much more bonus content like that every single week by simply heading on over to patreon.com slash red handed. If you go there and sign up, even to be a $5 patron, you'll get weekly episodes of Under the Duvet, which are over an hour long at this point and are essentially the official Red Handed After Show party where Hannah and I talk about myriad things. And also you can get every single episode of Red Handed and Shorthand absolutely ad free on your podcast player of choice. Terms and conditions apply. So head

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