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So, this month, it is the return of Florida Man. Except this month, he's the victim. Okay. And not the criminal. There you go. Subversion.version there have you had your expectations subverted i hope so you fucking bigots so nine minutes in he thought he was gonna be a criminal so um but the thing is he is also a criminal as well as a victim let me explain okay sometimes things can be two things they can be two things so all of the stuff I'm about to tell you took place a few months ago. But videos have only just been released. Therefore, it makes the May edition of In The News because that's when we saw video footage. Okay.

And that is what brought it to the attention of the media. Of which are we now one? Media outlet. Media outlet red-handed reports. I don't know. Honestly, i'm too scared to even say anything let's not say you know what i don't even exist no good that is the safest way to be so what is this video evidence of i hear you screaming in my ear well the attorney representing gene barretto claims that it shows the moment his client was cooked alive

yes that's right you heard me correctly cooked alive on the 27th of february sheriff's deputies in oskilo oscuela oscuela i thinkcuela County, Florida, responded to multiple 911 calls about a biker gang pointing guns at members of the public. When officers turned up to investigate, several bikers fled the scene. That's not very biker of them. Hmm. Fleeing the scene. Yeah.

Now, I'm not trying to, like, instigate violence on the street. Yeah, please enrage the biker gangs for us, will you? Thank you ever so much. One of the bikers that fled was Jean Barreto. Or John? Jean? I don't know. It's G-E-A-N.

Must be Jean. Yeah. Like Billie Jean. Anyway. So now, it's different. Billie Jean was a woman. I don't know why I said that. Anyway.

And also spelled with a J. Oh, this is spelled with a J. What did I say? I'm dys dyslexic i can't keep up jisney jisney now it's difficult to say whether beretta we're just going to call him that instead of jean was or wasn't actually at the scene this is just what people claim that he was one of the people that fled we don't know so the footage of the incident that's been released has been cut together okay which is um super cut a bit suspicious in and of itself um what it does show is a bunch of guys on bikes but it's hard to know who's who right helicopter footage released released by the sheriff's office shows deputies failing to stop someone that they say was barretto even had the audacity Barreto apparently if this is him in the video footage even had the audacity to pop a wheelie as he sped past them which is

pretty biker of him so the police claimed that they then followed Barreto until he stopped to fill up petrol at a gas station. There, several officers had another go at stopping the wheeling menace. Menace. Wheeling menace. But things quickly turned sour. The officers ran into the petrol station forecourt, tackling Barreto and his bike to the ground. That's pretty heavy going. Apparently, Barreto's petrol cap was still open

when they did this and when his bike toppled fuel poured out and drenched him deputy david crawford then shouted kill the pump and there's gas before uttering the immortal words you're about to get tasered again, dude. I hate the word dude so much. Me too. I just don't feel like there's really a place for it in civilized society.

But would you like to see a video of what happened? Yes, obviously. I think I have a reasonably good idea. We'll leave the link for everybody else in the episode description so you guys can watch this fucking horror show. Oh shit. Fucking hell.

Jesus. They're so stupid. The fuck? Okay. It's exactly what you think it is. It's exactly what you think it is. And if you're like, I don't really want to watch that. I don't really need that image burned in my mind it is quite far away but if even the like suggestion of what is happening is too much we'll explain it to you basically it's like a petrol station forecourt and then you suddenly

just see a bunch of police cars like rush in and then you just see a giant explosion like a few seconds later and it's just like i mean you're not even meant to have your fucking mobile phone. Nope. On when you're in a petrol station. Though I did watch a debunked about that. And they put a bunch of petrol. They put a bunch of mobile phones on top of each other and then pour petrol on them and have them all ring at the same time and nothing happened. But don't get covered in petrol.

No. And then get tasered is the fucking situation here. One of the most culture shock things I ever experienced was watching people smoke in petrol stations in Korea. Oh my God. Just like filling up their car. Yeah. I just feel like, you know what?

Better safe than sorry, maybe, you know, as far as, as far as like petrol goes. So that's what happened so if you haven't already pieced it together deputy crawford basically after the petrol fell all over baretta after they knocked his bike over onto him tasered gene baretta uh sorry john burrett gene john i don't know i haven't heard it said out loud gene bare Barreto. I don't know why I'm thinking like Jean Benet and it's about like Jean. Anyway, Barreto over and obviously immediately set a light to him and everything in the area.

And there's like a massive fucking explosion because the tank in the fucking motorbike goes up. Crawford and several other officers were also set alight. Eventually everyone and everything was put out using fire extinguishers. And in a heat of the moment, somebody poured Gatorade over them as well. Which, like, that's, I mean, every little helps, I guess.

No, it doesn't. Not in this case, I'm afraid. So in the body cam footage, which has also been released, Beretto can be heard begging to be taken to the hospital an officer tells them that he will take him but they'd like to know why he was running this man's on fire because of a stupid stupid action that you made and you're like why were you running are you fucking serious mean, obviously they are because they're fucking morons. To which Barretto replied that he wasn't actually running. Barretto and Deputy David Crawford were then both taken to the hospital

where Crawford was treated for second and third degree burns to his legs. Barretto received third degree burns to 75% of his body and is still in hospital two months later. I don't know what the percentage is, but it's very close to 75 of his body and is still in hospital two months later i don't know what the percentage is but it's very close to 75 that you are just dead yeah third degree burns i mean 75 percent yeah that's like just the bottom half of your fucking calves not being burnt or some shit and third degree burns is like am i right in that that's when the burns are so bad that your nerve endings are gone so you can't even feel anything anymore jesus second degree is if it blisters on contact and you can feel the pain yeah yeah so his attorney and i'm by no way

saying that he's not in pain i'm saying it's that bad that the damage is so bad that his nerves are fucking gone so beretta's attorneys say that he is in constant agony and undergoing treatment to remove his dead skin he has gauze covering almost his entire body except for his head which was protected by the helmet that he was wearing and he has to be re-wrapped daily fuck me i mean i just i don't even know how to do you know what they use for that now? No. Snake skin. What? Burn skin will heal faster under like a snake skin layer because it's protective.

But also it's not going to stick to you like a gauze is. So they're using a lot of snake skin in hospitals now. Fucking hell. Because yeah, I was going to say like when I fell off that motorbike and I ripped the bit off my leg, I was having to change my bandages and I had gauze on. I was like buying that Vaseline gauze for like burns victims but still it was sticking to the open wound and I had to change it like every two three days and I just wanted to fucking not have a leg anymore because it was so painful but my biggest fear was that the idea that if it got infected they were going to scrub it with steel wool and i was like there is literally no chance on earth i will survive that i will just die so yeah this is just very

very upsetting so yeah he has to be rewrapped twice um he has to be rewrapped daily and doesn't have the requisite amount of skin to contain his bodily fluids oh Oh my god. So in a press conference. Given after the footage was released. And it's interesting. That they only made a press conference. After the footage was released. I'm sure they were hoping. That they could just get away with it.

The county sheriff. A man named Marcus Lopez. Recommended that both. John Jean Barreto. And Deputy David Crawford both be charged. Sure. So they say, or he says, that Barreto was recklessly driving along with fleeing and resisting arrest and that Crawford, the police officer, was acting, carried out a misdemeanor charge of culpable negligence.

Gotta get Barreto though though gotta close that case god barretto's attorney say that the charges against him are unjustified given his lack of any criminal history absolutely no evidence he's ever owned a gun and the fact that no gun was found at the scene also given the fact that they have maimed him for the rest of his life and also that they don't even seem to have to prove that he fled the scene of of some sort of unspecified disturbance jesus jesus yeah jesus indeed on one of orschut's experiments volunteers sat at a table and shared a jug of juice and then talked for 20 minutes then the surfaces were all tested for genetic material as well as each other's dna so-called foreign dna turned up on about half of the chairs and glasses and it was all over the participants

hands and the table that is i mean obviously fucking obviously not to like undermine this experiment but i mean like yes that makes so much sense. So, Newsflash, if you've ever been in a room, your DNA is in there. And even just like wiping past somebody on a tube, on the bus, on the stairs, everything. So the only explanation is that the foreign DNA bits were carried in from the outside, perhaps from family members or even strangers that they shared public transport with. It's much more likely these days

that a sample will contain a mixture of several DNA profiles and it's very difficult to tell them apart. And it's also impossible to say whether the DNA was already there before the crime was committed or how it got there. Up to 15% of the DNA on our hands comes from other people. I'm upset. I'm sad. And if you stand still and talk to someone for 30 seconds,

your DNA can be found more than a yard away from where you were standing. In two minutes, the average person sheds enough skin cells to cover an American football field. What the fuck? Yep. Jesus. Don't forget about those little mites that live in your eyelashes. Yep. Wow. In two minutes,

enough skin cells. And I use acids. Imagine how much skin cells I'm shedding. Fucking hell. All over the shop. So all of this means that if a person's DNA is found on the handle of a knife that's sticking out of a murder victim, you still cannot say for sure that that person is the killer. Which brings us to the Phantom of Heilbronn. Oh, my little German boy. Oh no, don't make me run, I'm too full of chocolate.

So in 2007, the murder of a 22-year-old policewoman shook the town of Heilbronn in southwest Germany. The case was followed in the media all over the country, and police put in more than 16,000 hours of overtime to try and catch the killer. Not least because when DNA found at the crime scene was processed, it turned out that this DNA was linked to a string of cold cases. Imagine the feeling when they saw that. They'd be like, oh, fuck. Police suddenly found themselves looking for a female serial killer who appeared to have committed in total 14 homicides and that's not all the phantom of halbron was linked to over 40 crimes in total all over germany and even into austria and france and as well as murder the crimes included the

robberies of a car dealership and a school and the dna was collected on everything from a biscuit to a heroin needle so this person i mean imagine the full life yeah yeah yeah imagine they were like the psychological profile or the killer profile that then they tried to put together based on this they're like biscuits heroin needles schools banks murders everything this person's been running rampant for like four decades all over the fucking like this region of Europe doing whatever the fuck they want. So the police then spent the next two years

hunting the Phantom of Heilbronn until they discovered the rather embarrassing truth. There was no Phantom of Heilbronn, just a string of unrelated, contaminated cotton swabs. Most likely, all the samples from the crime scenes across Germany had been contaminated by one factory worker who was packaging the swabs. So the factory worker's DNA was on the sample before it even left the factory. Fabulous, fabulous stuff. And even worse, there are a number of cases of people being wrongly convicted for crimes based on DNA evidence. There's the Devon man who was wrongly charged with a rape in Manchester because samples were mixed up in the lab.

There's a man with Parkinson's who was unable to walk more than a few feet, who was convicted for a burglary he couldn't physically have committed, and it was only his lawyer's insistence on a retest that got him out. And there are other cases like retired taxi driver David Butler. In the early hours of the morning one night in 2011 police knocked on his door and arrested him for a brutal murder that had taken place six years earlier and they claimed to have him back to rights. His DNA had been found on the victim's fingernails, cardigan button and a bandage around her leg. He spent the next eight months in prison on remand, but thankfully a solicitor stepped up. He sought a forensic expert who revealed that the

sample was a mixed partial profile. It came from multiple people and was of low quality. Butler had a skin condition, meaning that he shed flakes of skin and left larger traces of DNA than the average person. And as a taxi driver, he was in contact with multiple people every day. He was eventually acquitted, but without his team's tireless efforts, it's quite possible that he might still be locked up now. He told Radio 4 of his time in jail, it was hard. The loneliness was the worst, not speaking to your family. I've led a good life. He told Radio 4 of his time in jail, It's just the nightmarish, like, 1984 slash, like, scientific gaslighting, isn't it? Where it's just like, I didn't do this. I know I didn't do this. You did it. We found your DNA there and you absolutely did it.

And obviously, like you said at the start, we've gone from a world in which people didn't understand DNA. So juries were very reluctant to like, prosecutors and defense teams were reluctant to bring it up in court because they knew that juries didn't really understand it. So they were worried about overcomplicating things and people not really trusting it to now being in a situation where so many people think because they've watched CSI and it's like the csi effect where now if it's not there people are kind of like well why don't you just have his dna yeah yeah yeah and i think that we just have to always take these things how they fit in with the rest of the story and it's so scary imagine being in that situation i can't don't don't do it So in all of the cases we just went through,

circumstantial evidence separated those convicted from the crimes and proved their innocence. But how many more have been sent down for crimes that they didn't commit? DNA profiling, as we've talked about, is a powerful tool for criminal investigation. We're absolutely not saying that it isn't. It allows us to identify traces with an amazing level of accuracy. As we saw, for example, in the Colin Pitchfork case, DNA evidence can swoop in

and expose a killer just when all hope of finding them seems lost. And it really has, like, given killers fewer and fewer places to hide. But when we assume that the person we identify using DNA has to be the criminal, we can get into very hot water indeed. Trust in empirical facts, science and authority is one thing. But now that DNA is such a multifaceted and pervasive part of the process, when we're talking about law enforcement and criminal investigation, it's unfortunately become another pawn in the game. We've seen time and time again that those involved in the criminal justice system can push a certain scenario just to secure a conviction. We've said this before. It's not really about what you know. Often it can just be about the narrative that the prosecution or the defense is able to tell.

It's about the story they tell in court and how convincing that is. And the presence of a DNA profile is respected as objective proof of culpability, especially these days, like we said with the CSI effect. But we have to understand that it is just a part of the puzzle. Yes, prisoners have been freed from terrible punishments, but are we in danger of going full circle and wrongly condemning people on the strength of DNA evidence evidence alone i would argue that's already happened and is already happening are we sweeping away circumstantial evidence personal testimonies and expert guidance in our haste to kill out a suspect and if you ask me to do an episode on any of those things circumstantial evidence eyewitness testimony expert witnesses we could also pick holes in them it's because they all fit together yeah yeah yeah into like one multi-pronged

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or wherever you find your favourite podcasts. Hello, welcome. Slightly chaotic energy this morning, because I've just had my cervix scraped again that's the least fun I mean I'm a bit worried there might be something wrong with me because I just can't feel it like when they get the little like t-rex arm and like biopsy you like watching them do it so I know it's happening can't feel a thing well that's good is it well I've got like a dearth of nerves in my cervix like i don't know um i mean i don't know but the the amount that i enjoy a smear test uh the idea that that

you can't feel it yeah it feels like a good thing i mean maybe like the doctor was like you might not want to watch this bit and i was like trust me yes i do so they do like the normal smear test like a like a little broom looking thing um yeah i don't think i've ever had a biopsy yeah i've only ever had just like a normal smear yeah yeah um there was smears everyone get your smears um i'm telling you about my cervical scraping experience you're not scared to go um so they do that with like the little broom and then the little mascara brush and then which doesn't mean I don't know because I don't look okay I like cannot get enough I just lie back and shut my eyes and then lie back and think about exactly um no so I was watching the whole thing um and because obviously six months ago I went and I had like low level

changes so then they sort of monitor you and you have to go back like fucking big up the NHS my I was amazing they actually sent me a text me like your appointment has cost the NHS 160 pounds which I thought was a really good thing to be like you know this this does cost money like this is not free like I thought that was it just sort of makes you think about it I think um so yeah after they do that she was like so like if it you know if I want to biopsy anything I will um and she was like looks kind of looks kind of fine um and like obviously they spray you with essentially vinegar to like bring up any uh cell changes so they go well you know how some people when they eat salt and vinegar crisps their mouth goes white it's like that um so and if you have HPV which I do that so does everyone don't worry about it um

then it'll go white so she's like but it could be the salt and vinegar crisps situation or it could be that it hasn't gone away okay um and I was like that's fine so she biopsied me twice with this little like t-rex arm couldn't feel anything um and it's like bleeding like it's like definitely and I feel like something has happened but like when she was just like nipping parts of my innards, nothing. Oh, wow. Yeah. No, I'm very not of the same situation. So I'm glad I've not yet been biopsied.

Fingers crossed. Won't have to be biopsied. Thankfully, the smear is not as bad but it is bad enough well yeah and I have to get my IUD changed as well yeah that's not fun I've had I've done that I've on my second one now so I've had it when I first got it was years ago like before I went to Costa Rica so I didn't think you'd be able to get the pill turns out you can um and I got that before when it was like reasonably new no anesthetic the first time I had it oh yeah and that was bad and then it was uh that was bad because I had it put in under general anesthetic when I had my uh second laparoscopy but then I had my allergic reaction to it so I

had to have it out three weeks after I had had a laparoscopy which um if anyone's had a laparoscopy you will know that you are in a lot of discomfort and pain after you have had it done and then I had to have it pulled out with no anesthetic um after three weeks of uh intense allergic reaction to it so that was pretty horrible yeah yeah so I need to get it whipped out another one whipped back in but they they um anesthetize you know well they were like local but they didn't used to no they definitely didn't for me and i still had stitches dissolving so that was pretty rough yeah but hooray don't be scared no go and get your smears exactly we both survived yeah exactly i'm fine she was like you know don't uh don't have sex or do any rigorous exercise and I was like there's literally absolute no danger of me doing

either of those things in the next week so um don't worry about it be fine um but yeah it'll be fine she was like it's gonna figure itself out it'll just take time because I've had uh I've had the vaccine for a start and also it just sort sort of goes away. Okay. Well, that's good. I'll just have to go back in six months. Well, they're going to biopsy. And obviously if it's like you're dying, then I'm going to have to do something else about it. But I feel like it's fine. Okay, good. Yeah, no, I had the HPV vaccine as well.

So fingers crossed. Everything stays as it's supposed to be. And I can avoid the little T-Rex arm forever because that is something I don't want to do. Oh, Hannah just knocked a full pint of water over onto our rug. Well done, me. Also left my laptop at home, so I'm just fucking killing it today. Just murdering

life. Excellent. So, yeah, speaking of murdering things, we did do our UK tour. A UK tour? What the fuck? Oh, yeah. We did do our live show at the podcast show on friday night in angel which was a lot of fun thank you to everyone who came if you couldn't come don't worry because uh you might have noticed that it is probably this week's episode unless there is some audio catastrophe unless we fall out with the venue basically basically we

haven't had it sent to we're recording this on monday afternoon monday lunchtime and we still haven't had the venue we still haven't had the recording sent to us by the av people at the venue so if they send it to us in time it will be this week's episode yeah if they don't it will be next week's episode and if they didn't record it which very comfortingly the av man decided to tell me might be a real possibility that it might not get recorded that was so bizarre av people are weird man i'm sorry for an av person not like for you i just mean i'm sorry i'm saying this because it's obviously a huge generalization but he was just so like yeah so i know you paid 500 pounds to get

this recorded but it might just not record and i was like why are you saying that to me just make sure it fucking records then that's like me being like I know you paid five ten twenty dollars for this patreon subscription but you might just not get any content this month I was like well maybe we should just try to make that happen yeah he was like well we recommend that you bring your own your own person and so you have a backup and I was like okay literally who told us that nobody and he was like we bring up we bring somebody in to do it and I was like I thought that's what we paid 500 pounds for but anyway it is what it is um so if you're listening to it everything went well we'll figure it out we will find out soon um but if you're not then you're

listening to something else that is equally as good. So don't worry about it. We had fun though. It was a good show. It was a really good show. We always enjoy doing a live show and it was just a lot of fun. And then went out after and I wasn't actually that drunk. I realized the next day I was just like, think I was just had a lot of energy, but I wasn't actually that drunk. And I actually felt fine.

I looked tired the next day. I don't think you looked that tired. But I think it was just a lack of sleep. A lot of lack of sleep because of too much alcohol in my system. But otherwise, pretty good. Yeah. And then we went to pub on Saturday. I just got to the point of hungover where I just could not be physically in my flat anymore.

And Saru was just MIA on WhatsApp for like four hours. I know. I was just like, I don't know I and I was with ACD face and we were like gonna go to the pub to meet his friends and I was like I'm so hungover I really don't know if I want your friends to look at me like this but at the same time also just like nobody wanted to go to the pub that early so then I went to a garden center and I was just like oh my god I'm so fucking tired I just want to go back to bed but we did make it to the pub yeah yeah so I just started walking from my house to Bethnal Green which is about hour and a half two hours because I was

just like I just need I just need to be outside um and I'll just figure it out um and then I got there and um someone someone we knew was there already so So that was nice. So overall success. That pub though, fuck me. Yeah, I've not been to a pub with that level of shoddy service in quite a long time. And like it was the Champions League final, right? So like in the evening it was rammo jammoed. When we were there it was dead. Nobody was there. It was just like one person's birthday party, which we were at.

And then like a few other groups of like two or three. And this pub, I can't even explain to you. I went to the bar at one point. I mean, I'll tell you what else happened when I went to the bar. But I went to the bar at one point and I was like trying to place this order. It was for two pints of beer, one glass of Prosecco and a bowl of chips. That's all I wanted to order. That's it.

And I was just like, can I please have two pints of neck oil and also one glass of prosecco and that guy was just like yeah and he just like started very laboriously in the wrong glasses pouring um neck oil he's yeah he was having a bad day he was having a fucking terrible day but he was making my day objectively worse by him having a terrible day and then he was just like somebody else came to the bar to be like who's next massive queue behind us and he was like no no can you just pull this this per second i was like why are you sharing a tiny order between another person that is the least efficient way you could be running this bar but whatever and then i was like um oh can i please also get a bowl of chips and he was like in a minute and i was like i wasn't suggesting that you go and get me a bowl of chips yeah

actually you wouldn't mind going to iceland i was just like can i please add a bowl of chips to the order and i really i'm like trying to stress how empty this bar was yeah there was like three people waiting behind me to be served and one other person who had been served before me this guy was just like fucking probably very hungover but I was like don't take that out on me please oh he definitely was he was just like whenever he wasn't serving anyone which was all the time he was just downing pints and pints and pints of fat coke oh my god um and I was like you know I feel your pain I've been in your position but like come on can we can we get it together and then the manager lady oh my gosh she was terrifying like we're talking about the George the old George in Bethnal Green, just so you will know.

I had ordered some food before Saru got there. Didn't get my food for about two hours. I just assumed they'd forgotten it. And I was like, okay, whatever. And then I moved to table. But there was basically no one in the garden. It was very obvious, just one party in the garden. Also, had she taken your order?

Yes. And you were wearing a bright orange dress. And she had seen you. And you were sat outside. It's not that you were hiding in an upstairs loft of no exactly and then she came over and brought me my food which is for a start not what i ordered and secondly she was like uh well if you're actually going to move tables next time then like please let us know because like thank you for the last five minutes of my life and i was like no she's at 30 minutes as if she'd been wandering around for 30 minutes and look well yes working in hospitality is difficult but we're talking about a tiny pub garden where hannah was wearing an orange dress

where she had served her this one was just being a massive dick uh yeah so but we had a good time terrible stuff um but um apart from the weird man right so i was trying to get served before the man was basically like angry at me that I ordered a bowl of chips by the way that bowl of chips took about an hour and a half to come to me and when it did come to me I'm not even kidding you it was like a soap dish it had like five chips in it and I was like are you actually serious all I could do was laugh and the woman who brought them to me looked embarrassed because I had to ask her three times and she was like basically like I'm so sorry I was like this is the worst I liked her she was nice she was just she looked embarrassed to be working there yeah yeah and then um and then I was just like I need

to leave because I need to actually eat something and I can't order anything else here because I don't have another three hours of my life to waste but I went into the pub um with uh my good friend Dami and we were sat there waiting and we were actually so fed up with how long it was taking that we just sat at a table and waited for the queue to go down queue of three people who were together right to go down yeah yeah and um when we were sat there this man suddenly just appears out of nowhere um he's clearly quite drunk not like but i also think just quite strange and um he like turned up just next to us and he's like are you two together but like very like borderline right like aggressive and i was just like we're friends and we are sat here together

and then he was like what what are you what are you are you half um half jamaican half english and i was like no I'm neither of those things actually and then I was just trying to go back into a conversation with Dami and then he was like no no then what then what is it what are you and then he kept pointing at his arm because he was also brown I think Dami said maybe he was South American I think that probably is the best uh the best guess we could have made for him and I was like and then he kept going like this like i don't know and if you are listening to the audio any version he just kept putting his hand up

to his face but to indicate my face and then he was like so what i beat you what what is it and i was just like well my parents are indian um and then i was like that's the end of that conversation and he was like so what but what are you also yeah adopted yeah this indian couple just adopted this half jamaican half english baby and then she just like can't face up to that and then um and here's this man to reveal it all to me in the pub yeah cracking the code and then he was just like no but you are half half white aren't you and i was like no and i i don't know why he kept being so aggressive about that fact i don't know why he kept being so aggressive about that fact i don't know what he was trying to imply it was very bizarre very strange and i

was just like no no i'm not i promise you i'm not and then he was like right and then he was just like well i just thought and then he pointed his face again and then he just walked off and me and dami were like what the fuck just happened and then he was stood at the bit of the bar where there's no service. So at the very end of the bar. And I was like, well, we should go up there now because otherwise somebody else is going to get in this queue. So me and Dami stood up. We went and we're trying to get served by this incredibly hungover bartender who hates me. And then this guy who stood there, stood right next to me.

He's now not yelling, but quite assertively speaking to the hungover bartender. And he's like, and I'm not lying. This is exactly, and this conversation was happening when we just got to the bar. So we hadn't been served yet. And I just looked at Damien. I was like, can you hear what he's saying? And he was like, like dropped his voice to listen. And we're like, oh oh my god this guy was basically

saying to the bartender there are too many girls here with their legs out and he's like what are you gonna do about it and the barman uh was like as much as he was annoying me he was like it's up to people how they want to dress it's not got anything to do with you this guy kept going he was like no i don't know why there are people here with such short skirts on. And I was like, thank God I'm wearing a fucking midi dress because this guy is clearly fucking on one. And I don't know if it's because the reason he came over

and was being aggressive at first and asking me what I was was because my dress was midi, but it had a slit in it. So when I sat down, you could see like my whole, like from my knee down. How dare you? I know, how dare I? And maybe he was like i don't know anyway so this conversation was going on very bizarre and then he uh decided and then when the barman was distracted by not getting me chips he just like led over the bar and picked up

the like staff walkie-talkie and then started speaking to him he definitely didn't fucking work there except until later when i theorized that maybe he was the chef and that's why we didn't get any food and he was just on his breakout but he just like picked up the walkie-talkie and started talking to it and then the barman was like you can't do that give please give that back to me give that it was so weird oh my god that's so bizarre and then we thankfully got served and we could leave and i was like i'm not going back to the bar. Especially not on my own.

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