RedHanded - Bonus - The Deal with the Devil: Karla Homolka & Paul Bernardo
Episode Date: June 18, 2019In this very special 'thank you' episode the girls cover the brutal case of the Ken and Barbie killers, a Canadian couple who abducted, viciously raped and murdered multiple women, including ...Karla's own teenage sister Tammy. After the pair were caught Karla was quick to put the blame solely on Paul but the evidence casts considerable doubt on her claims of helplessness  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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I'm Hannah.
I'm Saruti.
And welcome to your very special bonus thank you episode for all of your beautiful votes.
That's what this is.
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We asked you to deliver.
We said if you guys got us into the top ten of the Listener's Choice for the British Podcast Awards this year,
we would give you a bonus episode.
And because we always do what we say we're going to do, this is that.
Do we?
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Yes, we always do what we say we're going to do.
And this is proof of that.
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Exactly.
I think a lot of you probably know this case.
It's grim.
It's quite famous, but not that pod-covered, I found.
No.
Interestingly. Yeah, I wondered, I found. No. Interestingly.
Yeah, I wonder why.
So today, for your thank you episode, we're starting with a love story.
A Canadian love story. Sorry, Canada, we have been paying you extra attention recently, but we'll give you a break next week, I promise.
I didn't mean it to happen like this, it just has.
I haven't done a Canadian case for like a year and then do three in a row sorry so we're going to start with a young lady called carla homolka uh she used to live in st catherine's which is in ontario quite near to niagara on the lake when my cousin got
married and she was the eldest of three girls she was smart popular and pretty you can look at
pictures of like there's no disputing it she's's a pretty girl. She's got blonde hair.
She looks like she's in Bring It On.
That's what she looks like.
Yeah, she's a very pretty 17-year-old.
In October 1987, where our story starts, Carla was just 17 years old.
She wanted to work with animals, so she took herself off to a pet convention in Toronto with a friend.
Carla was in one of the bars of the hotel the convention was being held in
when in walked the man she would call the love of her life. His name was Paul Bernardo and he was 23
and Carla thought he was the most beautiful man she had ever seen. The feeling was mutual. Paul
and Carla were so attracted to each other that they had sex in the hotel just a few hours later.
People make a big deal of this but I mean you know come on like do what you gotta do like i don't think it's uh it
says anything particularly about either one of their characters really no i mean the only thing
is like she's 17 that's true that's true and he's 23 apart from that if they if she was a bit older
it would be a different story but people don't sort of talk about it they sort of use it as
sort of a slight against her as like
oh she was so like willing to just have off with him immediately therefore her she's like morally
corrupt is how it's presented more than he's sleeping with someone who's 17 but I don't know
what the age of consent is in Canada no I don't know what the age of consent is but it's not like
he's 18 and she's 17 it's like 23 is like that's kind of old to be sleeping with a 17 year old it's but yeah i think
um if we're going to talk about moral slides there's plenty to come that we can throw at these
two not them you know having a quick bang after they've just met so after their hotel sex paul
and carla's relationship blossomed carla's family loved paul despite the six-year age difference
and over the next few years, this relationship
took a darker turn. The pair engaged in sadomasochism and often Carla would assume the
role of slave to Paul's master. Carla wasn't actually a virgin when she met Paul and he never
let her forget this. He talked about how much he hated it all of the time and Carla felt guilty
that she couldn't give it to him. But Paul had a
guilty secret too. He was famous. He was famous for being a serial rapist. Since May of 1987,
the Ontarian suburb of Scarborough had a rapist on the loose. No mystery on this one, I'm afraid,
my friends. Paul Bernardo was the Scarborough rapist. He had been raping women for
months, possibly longer, when he first met Carla. These violent sexual attacks on the women of
Scarborough spanned over a five-year period. During these years, the police actively encouraged women
not to walk home alone at night. The Scarborough rapist, slash Paul Bernardo, would usually attack
women outdoors, and the majority of his victims were under the age of 21.
He would attack his victims from behind,
then he would make the women he attacked call themselves degrading names as he raped them.
Because he attacked his victims from behind, very few of them were able to describe him.
Most of them just described him as a young, fair-haired man who was very good looking
which i suppose in a very 90s way he was he's like all of the backstreet boys in one
amorphous blob of man he is they're both so 90s they are both so so 90s and yes objectively
speaking if you look at them through like a lens of 90s smeared Vaseline. They are attractive couple.
I mean, they're called like the Ken and Barbie doll killers
and stuff like this.
Which I think is so weird.
Like I, like that's how I've always like known this case
and like referred to it and blah, blah, blah.
But like, it's just like, I don't know.
I don't know what it is about it that sets me off.
I think it's just because it's the whole thing
is based on how attractive they are, you know?
I think it's just the usual thing of people being so surprised that um not only could these normal
looking people be such vicious brutal killers but they're even above average of looking just normal
they're like attractive i mean look at the others we've covered like fucking fred and rose west
he'd like fallen on his face like 10 times in his life. But before that, he was attractive. I said that and you fucking came for me in the episode.
I did not came for you.
I asked you a question.
I said define relatively is what I said.
Now, Paul Bernardo was responsible during his run of time as the Scarborough Rapist for at least 19 to 24 sexual assaults between 1987 and 1992. At least
one of his victims was even attacked inside their own home. So he's bold at such a young age as well.
That's the thing that's truly shocking about it for me. And he says adding breaking and entering
to his list of villainies and it gets much, much worse. At about one o'clock in the morning on the 4th of May 1987,
so that's before he's even met Carla,
a young woman was attacked by Paul Bernardo
just after she got off a bus in Scarborough.
A police patrol car was on a stakeout near the bus stop.
And I'm not sure whether they actually witnessed the assault,
the officers in the car, I mean.
But they certainly chased Paul Bernardo
for a while. But he got away, totally unidentified. Paul was a bit of a brat. He had a wealthy,
suburban childhood, but it wasn't plain sailing. The man he called Dad was a sex offender,
who was primarily a peeping Tom, but there were rumours that he had also molested Paul's sister
Debbie. And this trauma remained suppressed in Paul until he was 16,
when he found out that the man who had molested his sister
was not his father at all.
Paul's mum had had an affair and Paul was the result of it.
The young Paul did not handle this well at all.
He started to call his mum names like Slob and Whore.
And I think, like, if you had to pinpoint a moment in
his life, this is where his hatred of women really begins. He used violence to boost his fragile ego.
And that's why, as a man, he loved humiliating women. And also, I hate this so much, but apparently
he referred to the book American Psycho as being his bible I hate that
so much I don't think he quite carried it around in his pocket but it was almost that and I think
the only thing worse than that is when sales people like everyone should read the art of war
get fucked no they shouldn't I hate it I hate it so much nobody should read the art of war if you've
read it delete it from your brain have you read American Psycho yes Yes, yes, yeah, I have. Oh my God. It's one of the few books I've read that genuinely made me feel very, very unwell.
It's so much worse than the film.
God, I was reading it and I was like, am I reading, am I actually reading these words?
It's so horrible.
And for him to just be like, this is how I live my life, by this book.
This is my Bible.
Yep.
Great.
And I guess he's not just full of
talk though. He was the fucking Scarborough rapist after all. In 1989, the Ontario police
formed a task force to catch the Scarborough rapist called Project Green Ribbon. Nobody
would find out that Paul was the Scarborough rapist though until the early 90s. The police
had very little to run with until 1990,
when one of the victims of the Scarborough rapist managed to give a description of him to the police.
Unlike a lot of the impressions we deal with,
this composite sketch was a dead ringer for Paul Bernardo.
This sketch was front-page news,
and the police received 16,000 responses to the likeness.
Three of those people were sure that it was a picture of Paul Bernardo.
The Green Ribbon Task Force called Paul Bernardo
in for questioning twice
and each time he walked out of the police station
a free man.
Bernardo even joked with the officers
about how much he looked like the sketch.
Such a Bundy move.
Isn't it?
He's just, God, the confidence that he has
is, yeah, it's Bundy-esque.
And I think, you know, you probably could compare both of them on quite a few levels God, the confidence that he has is, yeah, it's Bundy-esque.
And I think, you know, you probably could compare both of them on quite a few levels because both sort of like objectively attractive men or subjectively.
I get confused with those.
A lot of people think that they're good looking.
So I think you can kind of tick those boxes as well.
And then it's also just like he thinks he's three steps ahead of everybody else.
Police were satisfied in 1990 that Paul Bernardo was not the Scarborough rapist.
But of course, we already know that they were wrong.
DNA testing was pretty new in Canada in 1990.
But it was all the rage.
So after his questioning as a matter of course, Paul was swabbed and a sample of his DNA was sent to the Toronto Centre of Forensic Sciences for processing.
And Paul's DNA sat in that lab, untested, for two years, amongst 50,000 other samples.
And we're not saying that like, oh, how shit is the lab?
Like they were understaffed and they were overworked.
It's like that charity and the backlog.
Like this is a massive problem in lots of countries.
So we're not specifically
having a go at Toronto for that one. But this close call did absolutely nothing to deter Paul
Bernardo. He just couldn't stop. The police received further tips from people who knew him
that said that he was a violent sexual predator. Paul spent the Christmas of 1990 with Carla
Hamonca and her family. Carla was now 20 and Paul was 26.
Even though the couple had been together four years, Paul had never dropped the virginity thing.
He held it over Carla's head the entire time that they were together.
So Carla, because it was impossible for her to give her virginity to Paul,
resolved to give him the next best thing.
For Paul's Christmas present, Carla gifted him
her sister Tammy's virginity. Her and Paul's relationship was so fucked up and intense that
Carla thought the only way to keep her man was to offer up her virgin sister as a sex sacrifice.
Carla had fulfilled her dream of working with animals by this point. She was working as an assistant at a vet's.
And in order to sedate her sister for Paul,
she stole animal anesthetic called halothane.
And this stuff is used to put animals under.
It's general anesthetic.
It's serious stuff.
On the night of the 23rd of December,
Carla and Paul had a nice Christmassy evening with Carla's family.
But when Carla's parents and younger sister Lori went to bed,
they started plying Tammy with alcohol.
They put the drug triazolam into her drink as well.
Triazolam is a short-acting central nervous system depressant
which can be used to treat insomnia.
And it worked quickly.
When Tammy was unconscious,
Carla and Paul took her down to the basement as her parents slept.
It was in the basement that Carla took out the halothane
that she had stolen from work.
Halothane is intended to be used in conjunction with a vaporizer,
and there's no way that Carla didn't know that.
She didn't nick the vaporizer, though.
She just poured the halothane onto a cloth
and smothered her sister with it,
like you would do with like chloroform in a film. Tammy was well and truly out for the count after
that. So Paul proceeded to rape his girlfriend's sister and Carla joined in and the whole ordeal
was filmed. But then something went wrong. Tammy choked on her own vomit in her drugged, unconscious state.
And just like that, she died.
Paul and Carla snapped into action.
They hid the video camera, cleared up the crime scene and called 911.
An ambulance took Tammy to St Catherine's General Hospital,
where she was pronounced dead on arrival.
Niagara Regional Police came to the house to question Tammy and Paul.
They claimed that Tammy had just been drunk and had choked on her own vomit in a tragic accident.
Tammy's death was ruled as accidental and no further questions were asked.
Tammy had a large burn on her face and I'm amazed that this didn't raise more suspicion.
You can easily find a picture of it online.
It's huge. It looks like and it's like bright, that sort of like birthmark-y, purple-y red.
Basically, it covers almost half of her face.
And I've read a few accounts of how this is sort of explained away.
Apparently, Carla and Paul told the police that the mark was a carpet burn.
But it literally looks like the opposite of a carpet burn.
Like there's no broken skin.
Yeah, like a carpet burn looks like, exactly, there's like lacerations on the skin.
And then I've also read, this is a little bit more believable, that the police thought the burn must have happened when Tammy was lying in her own vomit and her vomit had become corrosive due to the cocktail of drugs and alcohol that she had consumed.
So yeah, more likely than carpet burn, but no eyelashes or fine hairs on Tammy's face were damaged.
Either one of those explanations I don't think are 100%. Obviously they're not because the burn was caused by the halothane
that her sister had used to knock her out.
But nothing was ever followed up,
and the Homolka family carried on their lives despite their tragic loss.
Sometimes teenagers take drugs, drink too much, and accidents happen.
That's what the Homolka family would believe for the next few years.
Until the horrible truth came to light.
I'm like utterly shocked that this whole thing just didn't end with Tammy's death.
Like how? Toxicology reports, post-mortems, everything.
Like how did they not realise that she had been raped?
That the burn on her face was from like an animal anesthetic?
Like, I just, it's crazy.
And also, it just makes you wonder whether, obviously, they go on to do more things and kill more people.
But I don't know whether this first one was an accident.
I know that's what they claim but like what I can't get past is she the way that
anesthetic is used is it's like in a vaporizer and then you exchange more and more oxygen for
the halothane and that's how you put the animal under I just there's no way she wouldn't have
known that she would have known it was too strong to just put on someone's face so either she's a
complete idiot or she wanted to kill her I think think. This is the thing. It's hard to know.
Either, yeah, you're right.
Either she's an idiot or she just is like so reckless.
She's just doing everything in the spur of the moment.
And she's just like, I'll take this.
Maybe I can't steal the vaporizer because I'll get caught, but I can steal a bottle of this.
It's either malicious murder or it's like completely like reckless abandon and does not give a shit what happens to her sister.
And is she going to run the risk that her sister might remember what happened?
I don't think so.
This is the thing.
It's like, how can she guarantee that if they do this,
that Tammy's just not going to wake up the next day and tell the whole family what happened?
Yeah.
It's weird.
But after Tammy's untimely death, Carla and Paul would reenact the disaster.
This is just so sick.
Carla would wear her sister's clothes while Paul had sex with her in Tammy's room, on Tammy's bed,
in her parents' house. So if anybody was thinking, you know, I guess this ties to what you're saying,
if we were saying, oh, maybe it was just an accident. But even then, it wasn't an accident
that she was offering up her virgin sister to be raped by her boyfriend. There's
no remorse at all. They're fucking reenacting the rape with Carla playing the role of her dead
sister. And if this wasn't bad enough, Paul blamed Carla entirely for Tammy's death. But
none of this stopped them moving in together.
But Paul did start sleeping with someone else.
Carla was no longer holding his interest.
In their new home,
Carla started to plot how she would get back into Paul's good graces.
And she did exactly the same thing that she had done at Christmas in 1990.
Carla found Paul another young girl
in a desperate attempt to win him back.
And we don't know what her name was. The press just referred to her as Jane Doe.
And the good news is that we don't know her name because she survived what happened next.
Carla befriended the teenage Jane Doe in June 1991. One day they went out shopping and then
back to Bernardo's house for dinner. Once Jane Doe was in the house,
she was given the same cocktail of sedatives and alcohol that had killed Tammy.
She was then raped by Paul and Carla.
Once again, they filmed the whole thing.
And this is the thing with Carla,
like I know a lot of people make a big deal about their attractiveness like we talked about,
but I do think as Carla, as like a young, attractive girl, her to go out and befriend other teenage girls to lure back to Paul,
she's the perfect bait. Just having a woman on your team is going to make people trust you more.
Absolutely. Having a woman on your team, absolutely. Having a young, attractive woman
on your team, even better. I picture her in my mind like Regina George. Yeah, fully, fully like
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But murderous. And the thing is, Carla was just as involved as Paul in
the abuse of the teenage Jane Doe. For one awful moment, as she was unconscious and abused, Jane
Doe started to choke just like Tammy had, and Carla called an ambulance. But Jane Doe soon came round and the ambulance was cancelled.
When Jane Doe woke up,
she had absolutely no memory of the horrors that she'd sustained.
She left the house sore and disoriented, but alive.
Carla's trick had worked.
Paul cut all ties with the woman that he was sleeping with.
And Paul and Carla were married in a fairytale ceremony later later that same month and just weeks after they had raped her Jane Doe attended the
ceremony the interesting thing with their like you know the two situations that have happened so far
they do call the ambulance both times that's a good point that's a really good point actually
yeah maybe that thinks that makes me think thatmy was an accident and maybe she was but i feel like to work with animals even as a
sort of veterinary assistant you have to be really smart i know it's weird it's like she's so it's
like i think she is smart and knows the right thing to do in terms of like should have used
the vaporizer etc but i think when it comes to paul she's so like desperate and like you know
overcome with trying to please him that she throws everything else out the window.
Right. And the argument she uses later on is like, oh, I had to do these things because he was going to tell my family what actually happened to Tammy is what she says.
Yeah. Make of that what you will.
Paul and Carla were married in Niagara-on-the-Lake, which is where my cousin got married, as previously covered in episode 97.
And on the day of their nuptials in Burlington, a couple of people canoeing on a lake and made a gruesome discovery. And I have been waiting for canoes to make a reappearance in this show
for about a year, and it's finally happened, and I couldn't be happier.
So the canoe people, not to be confused with Canoe Man, obviously, came across eight blocks of cement that quite obviously had human body parts sticking out of them.
The dismembered remains were determined via dental analysis to belong to a 14-year-old St Catherine's girl, Leslie Mahaffey.
Leslie had been missing for two weeks, and I think you can probably guess who had cut her up, encased her in concrete
and threw it in the lake to be discovered by canoe artists. This time it was Paul who had abducted
their target. Leslie Mahaffey was in her own back garden on the night of the 14th of June. Paul
Bernardo convinced Leslie to get into his car with the promise of a cigarette. Paul then drove Leslie
to the home he shared with his now wife Carla. They blindfolded the 14-year-old Leslie and did the same thing that they had done
to Jane Doe and Tammy before that. They raped her and videotaped the whole thing. This lasted for
at least 24 hours. Multiple videotapes were recorded. During one of the many sexual assaults,
Leslie's blindfold slipped off.
So Carla gave her a lethal dose of triazolam and Paul strangled her to death.
On the evening of the 16th of June, so that's two days after Leslie had been abducted,
Carla's family came over to the Bernardo abode to celebrate Father's Day.
Carla spent the whole evening trying to keep everyone upstairs and away from the corpse of Leslie Mahaffey that was hiding in the basement which I do understand but also like how many dinner parties do you go to where I'm like oh I'm just gonna pop down to the basement for a second like I don't think she was gonna have to
try that hard to keep them out of there this is true this is true who knew maybe there was like a
a fun pool table in the basement and oh what it was like a man cave maybe and then there's just
also this corpse of this poor girl that they've murdered. It's so to do with her family as well.
Like every time something happens, like her family's over or they're going to her family's house.
I think it's the Tammy connection, you know.
I think it has to have something to do with her family or it's just not quite as good.
So once Carla had got rid of her family on this occasion, Paul dismembered Leslie's body with a circular saw
and encased her remains in cement and threw the blocks into the lake
in Burlington. Why they had cement lying around, I don't know. Paul's an accountant. And also,
are they putting her bodies in blocks of cement in their house and then lifting those into the
car because those are going to be heavy as fuck? Or are they taking her body parts in the car and
then doing the concrete by the lake? But how are you doing that without anyone seeing you? Are you
taking your own cement mixer? And even with the cement, cement it's like why do they have it are they always planning to kill her
cut her up and like dispose of her encased in cement but it kind of sounds like when you read
about the um attack um that they blindfold her because if she's blindfolded and she can never
say it's them then it doesn't matter you can just rape her and then let her go but it's when it
slips and then they decide to kill her i don don't know. Is it just like a massive contingency plan they have? Do they go out and buy the cement?
I don't know. I feel like cement's like, I mean, it's not like having a spade, is it? It's like,
it's a very specific thing to have lying around your house.
How easy is it to mix cement? Do you need a cement mixer or can you just do it in a bucket?
You don't. You can do it. You can do it with a spade. So like it's like it comes in like a powder and then you put water on it and then you just mix it but if you do it
with a spade it just takes fucking forever and it's quite like small quantities as well so like
if you're going to encase a body in it so i would imagine you'd need a mixer strange or like a lot
of patience and upper body strength obviously if you cut the body up then you can do it in smaller
batches maybe they just do it it over a period of time.
I don't know.
But it is a very, not to sound horrible, it is a more effective method of body disposal.
Well, not that effective, they found them.
I mean, I guess you're trying.
They are trying.
It's a better try than just throwing her in the lake tied to like a shoe.
Exactly.
And just hoping that she doesn't, you know, float back up to the surface, which we all know is what would happen. Now, the day after Carla and Paul tied the knot in their
fairy tale ceremony, complete with horse-drawn carriages, yet another body was found in
Burlington. The girl's name was Kristen French. And just like Leslie Mahaffey, she was still in
school. Kristen's body was found in a ditch by the side of the road. Her head had been shaved.
She displayed clear signs that she had been tortured.
Her body was covered with cigar burns, and she was just 15 years old.
Kristen was missing the tip of her left pinky finger, so her body was very easy to identify.
Kristen French had been missing since the 16th of April,
and she had last been seen in the car park of Grace Lutheran Church.
Paul and Carla had pulled into the car park to ask Kristen for directions
when she was walking home from school.
Several eyewitnesses reported a scuffle between the teen and two adults,
but Kristen couldn't fend off two fully grown people,
so Paul and Carla stuffed her into the back of the car and drove off. The
car park was searched and the police found one of Kristen's shoes, a torn corner of a map of Toronto
and a lock of brown hair. Almost as if Kristen had been trying to leave clues as she was abducted by
the killer couple. Police interviewed all of the people that claimed to have witnessed the scuffle
and all of them were sure that they'd seen the couple drive
off with Kristen French in the back of a cream Chevrolet Camaro. Camaro? Camaro. Camaro. What
also I can't deal with is like they interviewed a fair few people sort of like five-ish people
that all eyewitness say that they saw this teenage girl being pulled around by two adults and none of
them do anything about it. You got a good enough look to be an eyewitness. Why didn't you do something?
Right. And in the car park of a church as well. I feel like there's always people around churches.
I don't know. It just seems very odd. But having said that, I saw a cyclist get knocked off on my
road on Wednesday and I didn't stop. But there were loads of other people that had already stopped.
So I was like, they don't need me. No. And no and my first aid training oh you've got first aid training I am
first aider yeah oh congratulations I'm useless I can't remember any of it but I did pass the course
yeah if there's other people you're not a doctor if you were a doctor you kept driving I'd be like
you're a piece of shit he looked all right he got up but he did uh yeah the wing mirror of the car
came off so he must have been going quite fast if you're knocking off the wing mirror of a car.
Anyway.
Oh, you're fine.
I was in Austin and we were on Rainy Street,
which is like a street where basically it just feels like the whole world goes out.
And it was during graduation week we were there,
so everyone was so drunk and so young.
Me and my colleague were like, oh my God, I feel like such an old person.
And I'd forgotten to take my ID out because I never fucking get ID'd here.
And I couldn't even have a drink.
We had to wait an hour and a half for a pizza.
Oh, wow.
It was ridiculous.
But we were sat outside this restaurant and I think everyone was just like so smashed.
This guy was on a bike.
He looked drunk, got hit by a car and he just fell off his bike.
Not fast.
I'd say more like clipped by a car and he fell off. And I was like,
oh my God, what do we do? Do we go over? What happens? And in the like 15 seconds that we sat
there thinking about it, he was fine and people were helping him and he got up. But I didn't
immediately run over there and I was probably the most sober person there. I think when you're also
not in a city that's yours, I felt quite like, I don't know what to do does that make me a coward
oh no I feel terrible do you seriously not get ID'd I get ID'd all the time in supermarkets yes
in bars never no like there's some places that will do it on the door but if they're checking
ID on the door I generally don't want to go oh my god if they're checking ID on the door that is not
a place you want to be but also if they're checking ID on the door they just check everyone don't they
apart from Rowan's which is a fucking good time.
Oh, really? No, don't know.
It's like a bowling alley in Finsbury Park that also has a massive pool.
I've never had a bad night in Rowan's, but you have to scan your ID on the door because it's one of those places.
One of those places.
Stickiest floor in North London.
Oh, fabulous.
But it's a good time.
Well, that's the main thing.
But no, usually if there's a bouncer on the door checking id i'm not not game not into it
but um yeah if i go to like a supermarket yeah i'm like cool chill you think i look under 25
that's great have a look at my id my heart always sinks a little bit when they press the button
that's like customer is clearly over 25 oh god without asking for your id that's brutal what
when you're on the self-service, that's great. That's great.
The best thing is when you're out with someone like a man friend
and then he doesn't get ID'd but you do and you're like,
how old do you think he is that you think he's out with someone who's under the age of 18?
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camaro that's what i'm going to say about that.
I'm not convinced I've ever seen a Chevrolet Camaro Camaro.
Anyway, that's what the eyewitnesses who did absolutely nothing to help Kristen French
say that they saw these two grown adults with this teenage girl in the back of their Chevrolet Camaro that is cream.
And the police ran with this lead.
They're looking everywhere for this cream car.
And we're talking massive, have you seen this car billboards everywhere, the whole deal. But this was all in vain. The
Barnardos didn't drive a cream Camaro. Eyewitness testimony has proved itself to be unreliable once
again. Paul Barnardo had a gold Nissan. And in that gold Nissan that the nation was oblivious to,
he and Carla took the 15-year-old Kristen French to their home,
where once again, over a period of several days,
they tortured, raped, abused, humiliated and recorded her.
The Bernardos made Kristen watch her father give a tearful speech
at a press conference on TV, publicising her disappearance
and begging her to come home.
That's really Ariel Castro, that, isn't it?
So, because it's all getting a bit heavy for me, publicising her disappearance and begging her to come home. That's really Ariel Castro, that, isn't it? Mm-hmm.
So, because it's all getting a bit heavy for me,
a quick moment of comic relief.
My favourite fact about Paul Bernardo
is that he was a failed rap artist
who idolised none other than Vanilla Ice.
Pick someone better, honestly.
Like, if you're going to be a failed rap artist,
don't model yourself on Vanilla Ice.
Got to go with what he knows, you know.
Well, I suppose.
Aspirational white rapper.
Yeah, and I suppose Eminem hadn't really.
Eminem wasn't really there yet.
No.
So I get it, but come on, Paul, be better.
So Paul had this side gig.
They were smuggling tobacco across the American border and he would use the proceeds from this to buy music equipment,
which he used to make what I can only assume to be absolutely terrible rap music.
And he would often assure his friends on upcoming albums and sponsorship deals with celebrities,
which was obviously an absolute fiction.
And aren't they just the worst kind of people?
Everyone's got a mate like that.
Oh, of course.
Everyone.
I mean, he is just, it's the start of his narcissism, this kind of rap bullshit.
Yeah, don't worry, Vanilla Ice is going to give me 50 grand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We laugh, but the very, very worst thing about this is that over the days that Paul and Carla held Christian in their house as a sex slave,
Paul took her into his quote-unquote music room and made her suffer the indignity of listening to his god awful music that makes me
more sick than anything else like oh yeah let me just sit here and listen to your fucking mixtape
i'd rather i hate it when people do that and then you just have to sort of sit there and be like uh
huh yeah i was at a party once and this guy just started playing guitar out of nowhere and be like
yeah there's some tracks from my album i was like i i'm leaving thank. Thank you very much. Like, I don't want to be here.
And you just have to sort of like sit there and pretend you're enjoying it.
And like, oh, I just can't handle it.
I just get up and leave.
I just get up and walk away.
I can't.
I don't actually know these kind of people in my real life.
But when I went traveling, they're everywhere.
In every hostel you stay in, there's a guitar in the corner.
And it immediately makes me feel scared.
And then a man walks in and he picks it
up and he starts to play. No one asked him to. No one's looking like they need entertaining,
but he's going to entertain you. You will be entertained. You will be entertained. No, I won't.
Now, Kristen French was killed by Carla and Paul Bernardo on Easter Sunday. They really like the
like Christian holidays, don't they? They like the Christian holidays and they like the big family dinner that comes with them, I think. And this is in 1991. Now
after they left their house, they went over, they just love the big family gatherings, because they
went over immediately after to the Homolkas for Sunday lunch. After their lunch, the couple dumped
Kristen's body in the Burlington ditch, where she was discovered as Carla and Paul honeymooned in
Hawaii. I love how they're like, I'm really worn out from all that rape and murder and all of that.
Let's go have that lunch and then we'll come back and get rid of the body. There's no sense of
urgency. They're like, oh, I can't believe that my family schedule is getting in the way of my
murder. Jesus Christ. Like, okay, fine, we'll go. But I'm only going for an hour and you're
only allowed one drink. Because I'm not disposing of this body on my own exactly like last time but yeah it's almost like
I think it is a bit of something that they do love the family shindigs I think it's like
potentially they love to go there and pretend to be normal after knowing what they've just done
and it's just like this dirty little secret that the two of them have.
Well, that's the whole American Psycho thing, isn't it?
Yeah, exactly, exactly. They love it.
Now, the deaths of Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French were connected quite quickly by the police
and named in the press as the schoolgirl murders.
Leslie and Kristen displayed very similar bruises on their back,
making it likely that they had died at the hands of the same killer,
possibly using the same blunt object.
But the Green Ribbon Task Force hadn't even identified the Scarborough rapist yet
let alone connected that case to the murders of Leslie and Kristen.
Inspector Vince Bevan headed up the investigation into the Skorgar murders
and tried to put together a profile of who they thought they might be looking for.
On the 11th of February 1993, the RCMP, so the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, met with the FBI to discuss profiler theories of who they could be
looking for. They came up with a man who would have a violent history against women and definitely a
man who beat his spouse. The RCMP was shown the now famous paper, Compliant Victims of a Sexual
Sadist, which details how spouses of violent
offenders may end up committing crimes with their partners. The paper surveyed seven women
serving serious time as a result of helping their spouses. The paper explained this behavior as a
consequence of brutal treatment. These women were bullied and beaten into doing bad things. They
weren't inherently bad themselves. This was a pretty new idea in 1993 and the Canadian police took this information very seriously. So when their
trail of clues led them straight to Carla Hamalka, they were primed to see her as a woman beaten into
submission by a domineering sexual sadist. You can make up your own minds about that towards the end
of the show though. The trail was heating up and the break was about to come. Examination of Kristen French's body revealed a DNA sample that was a
match for the Scarborough rapist and two years after the task force had questioned Paul Bernardo
his DNA was finally processed by the forensics lab and it came up as a match for that of the Scarborough rapist. In January 1993,
Carla and Paul's relationship had come to an end. Paul had turned his violent tendencies on his wife
and one night he beat her so hard with a torch, that's like a flashlight, she ended up in A&E.
I've seen this picture and she really was a state. She's got those two massive black eyes that
usually come from a really strong severe blow
to the back of the head and also one of Carla's eyes was partially dislodged from its socket.
Carla never went back to the house she shared with Paul. She moved in with her sister's mate
instead and this mate happened to be a police officer and they convinced Carla to report Paul's
domestic violence to the authorities. Carla did and this report was going to be the first step to her undoing.
After her initial meeting with the police,
Carla was allowed to go home.
She thought they weren't going to be able to connect her
to any of her crimes.
Like, she's an arrogant one too.
To go and sit in a room with police
when you've murdered three girls
and have assaulted one that went to your wedding
and to sit there and be like yeah this is
this is what happened to sit in an interview so it's not just this is what makes me think like
it's not just paul who like thinks he's got one over on everyone else oh definitely not i definitely
think she does and i think at this point she's like fuck him i'm gonna be the victim now and
maybe i'm gonna take you down who knows so carla might have thought that they were never going to
connect her to her crimes but the police were one step ahead of her.
Paul's DNA had finally come back as a match for the Scarborough rapist,
and the police knew that they could get all they needed out of Carla Homolka.
So the Green Ribbon Task Force called Carla in for questioning for a second time in January 1993.
She went willingly because she thought they were just going to ask her more questions
about her domestic abuse report.
But the Green Ribbon were ready for her.
And they told her that Paul Bernardo, her estranged husband, had been identified by DNA forensics as the Scarborough rapist.
They didn't say anything about the murders of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffey.
And they certainly didn't say anything about Tammy Homolka.
The only people who knew about that were Carla and Paul.
Carla didn't cooperate
with the police in this interview. She gave absolutely nothing away. But she did go home
and told her uncle everything. Well, almost everything. She told her uncle that Paul was
the Scarborough rapist and that he often boasted of having raped upwards of 30 women and that she
had assisted him in the murders of Kristen and Leslie. She doesn't take any responsibility at
all. She's just going with the he made me do it line. And she keeps her mouth firmly shut about Tammy. Carla Homolka got a lawyer
and returned to the police with this same story. She claimed that she had only ever been an
accomplice, a helper too scared to say no. Paul had forced her to take part in all of the killings.
She intricately described how Paul had kidnapped Leslie Mahaffey from her own yard and how both
she and Paul had abducted Kristen French from the church car park. She told police that both
girls were used as sex slaves before they were killed. Carla claimed that she could prove her
story with the videotapes of the attacks which were hidden in the house that she had shared with
Paul. That was all the police needed for a search warrant and they needed to move quickly before
Paul Bernardo got wind of Carla's story and skipped town. In exchange for all this information on Bernardo, Carla was offered a
plea deal. She was allowed to plead guilty to two counts of manslaughter and serve two 12-year prison
sentences to be served concurrently on the condition that she testify against Paul in court.
This plea deal would soon be named the deal with the devil. This interrogation lasted four days,
and during the whole thing, Carla Homolka was wearing a Mickey Mouse watch
that belonged to Kristen French.
That's sick, isn't it?
And on the 17th of February,
Paul Bernardo was arrested at his home for the murders of Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French
and the crimes of the Scarborough rapist.
With Paul in cuffs, a 71-day search of his home began.
But they didn't find the stacks of incriminating videotapes that Carla had promised.
They only found one.
And it showed Carla performing oral sex on an unidentified young woman.
Much later, that woman would be proven to be her own sister, Tammy Homolka.
In June 1993, Carla was tried and convicted
for her two counts of manslaughter.
She sang the same song in the courtroom
as she had done to the police.
She had only participated in the rape, torture and murder
because she was too scared of what Paul might do to her
if she didn't.
The trial was over fairly quickly
and Carla went to prison to serve her 12 years.
A publication ban was enforced on the trial.
And we've come across this quite a few times
when dealing with Canadian cases, so I had a little look into it. And essentially,
a publication ban can be enforced on a trial when the information may impede the outcome
of a subsequent trial. That's not always the reason, but this publication ban was enforced
on Carla's trial to attempt to give Paul Bernardo a fair one. So the publication ban meant that
members of the public were not allowed to attend the trial and it also meant that nothing could be published in the
Canadian press and no TV news station could cover the story. The publication ban is intended to
allow victims, witnesses and others to participate in the justice system without suffering negative
consequences. But that didn't stop the journalists. The ban was not totally effective. The American
press were covering the shit out of the story, including Carla's testimony, and people were
illegally bringing newspapers over the border into Canada. How do you get to be a newspaper
smuggler? That is what I want to know. I imagine that's quite an easy job. I mean, by identifying
a niche in this grisly true crime world, um in this day and age obviously it would just be so
difficult because if other international publications are covering the paper you just
google it and unless of course it is made unable to access from your country you would just be able
to read all this in this day and age it's just like people sneaking over the border with printed
papers yeah we've put all of the newspaper smugglers out of business with google podcasts
and like with the teacher's pet one they wanted to, I think they took down the Teacher's Pet podcast in Australia for his trial.
But like, you could just listen to it literally anywhere, surely.
Like, how efficient is that?
Maybe it's just to be seen to be, you know, doing due process.
But this is very interesting.
Possibly. But i do wonder what
the penalty was for smuggling newspapers across the canadian border i know maybe somebody's grandma
or granddad was a newspaper smuggler and they can let us know i really want it to be some sort of
like newspaper based punishment like you have to put your hands in a printing press or something
i don't know i can't think of like or Or you just have to always be forced to wear white and hold those old-timey newspapers when all the black just rubbed off on your hands.
Oh, yeah, maybe.
Or you have to eternally be told the joke about what's black and white and red all over.
That's it. That's the only thing you're ever allowed to say to anybody.
Right. So, also, apart from the newspaper smugglers,
the internet had just been born and it was about to put the newspaper smugglers out of business.
People were sharing all of the scraps of information they could find on the case on online message boards, like in the early days, like the AOL stuff.
So in spite of the publication ban, Carla and Paul managed to carve out a media name for themselves.
Most people refer to them as the Ken and Barbie killers.
Enough of this for a second
because we need to get back to the videotapes. The police, remember, had only found one and it was the
one that incriminated Carla, not Paul. But there were more in the house, just in a very good hiding
place. And what's more, Paul Bernardo's lawyer, Ken Murray, knew it. On the 6th of May 1993, Murray
received a note from Bernardo telling him to
retrieve a suitcase that was hidden in the bathroom ceiling. Ken Murray followed these
instructions and inside the suitcase he found all of the tapes that Carla had told the police about.
These tapes showed in graphic detail the rape of Tammy and the extended torture of Leslie and
Kristen. In these videos, Carla is just as involved as Paul. She is by no means a bystander.
She even directs a few of them like she's on the set of a snuff film, which I suppose she kind of
is. So what I can't understand here is that Carla must have known that she doesn't come out angelic
in these tapes. She must have known that the rape of her own sister is on there. So why is she using
them as part of her story because she
could have just as easily left them out definitely this is the thing i don't understand because yes
the tapes are like you know rock solid evidence they're fantastic evidence for the police but
the police don't really need this for what they're going after paul bernardo for her testimony and
the dna evidence like all of that would have been enough. So why does she point out the tapes? I don't know. And it's not even a side as well. She's like, and the proof is in the tapes.
Like that's what she used to underpin her whole narrative. She tells the police that the tapes
show the truth. I mean, did she think that they would never find them? Or has she just forgotten
what's on there? I don't, I really don't get this bit at all. Because she's, she's signing her own
death warrant here with that. I don't understand either. It's very strange. Unless it's like, I don't know,
because they must have watched the tapes back. It's not like she doesn't know how she comes
across in them. Yeah, right. I mean, she must have watched them. She's probably watched them
hundreds of times. Anyway, naughty lawyer Ken Murray was very naughty indeed. And he did not
hand over the tapes from the bathroom ceiling to the police.
Then in September 94, maybe the guilt got too much for Ken because he resigned as Paul's attorney
and handed over the tapes to Bernardo's new attorney, John Rosen. John Rosen was a lot less
perverting the course of justicy than his predecessor and he handed over the tapes almost
straight away to the police on the 22nd of September. Can we give credit
to John Rosen here? Good work.
Good work, John. That is the fucking
right thing to do. Good lawyer. Exactly.
When the police reviewed the new footage, it became
very apparent to everyone that Carla
was not the coerced
bystander that she claimed to be.
But the thing is, it was too late.
Her trial was already over.
She was serving her sentence and
her plea deal still held. There was nothing that anyone could do about it. To this day Carla
Homolka has never been charged with a single sex crime. This caused public outcry. This was the
first time that the real fate of Tammy had been revealed but in the eyes of the law there was
nothing that could be done. By May 1995,
it was Paul Bernardo's turn to take the stand. His trial began on the 18th and ran for four months.
Carla testified against him for 17 straight days. The tapes were, of course, integral evidence.
They were so graphically unbearable that only the jury watched the video the rest of the court only heard the sound and
like thank fuck for that i have to say because like carla's family were probably in that trial
surely in that room there's a guy who was in the courtroom in one of the documentaries and he says
like as a journalist i'm sorry that we didn't watch the the video and only heard the audio but
as a human being i'm so glad I didn't have to watch it.
Imagine because in that video there is video footage of your daughter sexually assaulting
and allowing a man to rape your other daughter, her sister. For anybody who was related to these
girls will love them like Jesus. Paul was charged with two counts of first degree murder,
kidnapping, forcible confinement, committing indignity to a human body
and aggravated sexual assault.
The jury took eight hours to find him guilty on all counts.
Eight hours? What took them eight hours?
Oh, you've got to give them a fair crack of the whip.
I think it was probably, do you know what,
I think it's Carla, but there's nothing they can do.
Yeah.
But I wonder whether they were questioning
whether she could be retried or maybe a
mistrial or something like that possibly but there's yeah fuck all they can do about it she's
doing her 12 years and that's it and after they did take eight hours for whatever reason i mean
i personally feel like i've never done jury duty i don't know what that entails but um after they
found him guilty bernardo was sent to prison for life without parole for 25 years. He was declared a dangerous offender,
which makes parole very unlikely for him even after the 25 years inside. Paul admitted that
he was responsible for all of the sexual assaults that he was charged with. But to this day,
he remains steadfast that Carla was the killer. But because of her plea deal, she will never,
ever be taken to court over it. And I think Paul might have a point because of the halothin thing I said earlier,
but then I think maybe I retract that because of what you said about the ambulance.
But like, I could buy that, you know, it's her husband having sex with these,
well, raping these young girls and then she gets jealous and kills them.
And then he's like, oh, not again, Carla.
And then they have to get rid of the body.
Definitely.
I could buy that.
I could buy that.
Yeah.
That's not what she says.
She says it's all him that does all of the strangling and the chopping up but you know we'll never know
for sure the only people who really know that is them and another reason that i feel like this
could be true i absolutely agree with the jealousy thing i think she lures these women there but then
it always sounds like these girls they choke on their vomit they die that way she is the one
administering the drugs yeah in the scenarios she's in control of that. And also the other reason that I think that Carla may well be the killer is because Paul Bernardo, on his fucking own, you know, when he was a single bachelor, he was out being the Scarborough rapist. He raped those women. We don't know that he necessarily killed any of them that we know about attributed to the Scarborough rapist. He only seems to kill women when he's doing it with Carla. Yeah, that's true.
So Paul's attorney told the press that it's clear that Carla was a victim of domestic abuse,
but she was not as controlled by Paul as she said she was.
And obviously this is dangerous territory.
He was abusive towards her.
He beat the shit out of her at least once.
So that is definitely an element.
But I don't know if her only involvement in it is because she was afraid of what he was going to do.
I just don't know if like, that's not what my gut feeling is.
I don't know if it's because she was afraid of what he was going to do or she was just afraid that he was going to leave her.
And that's a very different motivation.
You know, one is you are in imminent danger, so you are going along with it.
Another one is you just don't want to lose this guy.
And yes, he's abused you and controlled you and manipulated you maybe,
but she just doesn't want to lose him because she thinks that he's the love of her life.
So this is quite interesting, actually.
Experts determined that Paul Bernardo exhibited clear sadistic behavior.
So that's not news to anybody. But also he scored
30 to 35 out of a possible 40 on the psychopathy checklist. And Carla scored just five.
I mean, that's pretty, that's pretty stark.
Yeah, it's pretty telling, isn't it? So do I believe that he could have coerced her into
doing something? Yes. Do I think that was 100%? I don't know. I don't know if she wanted to do it
or not. I feel like she must have done. and Fred. We don't know in this case. And they're all, of course, different scenarios. But I don't
know. I don't think she's just a coerced victim in this. And Paul is keeping true to his psychopath
high score in prison. He's planning to get married to a lady who wishes to remain anonymous,
who claims to have been charmed by this, those are my air quotes, man and she has a tattoo on her ankle that says Paul's girl
but despite her tattoo commitment it doesn't look like this happy couple will get a chance
to be together on the outside. All of Paul's appeals have been rejected and parole remains
a very unlikely remote possibility. As for Carla she was released in 2005 after serving her 12 years.
She moved back to Quebec to start again. She got married and had three children. She lived in
Guadeloupe for a while, which is a French-speaking island in the Caribbean, but she is now back in
Canada. And it was discovered that Carla was volunteering at an elementary school in Montreal.
Once the parents found out who she was, there was obviously uproar. But you have to remember that Carla has never even been charged with sexual assault, let alone murder.
So technically, even though there is footage of her doing it, she is not a sex offender.
And she isn't on any sex offender lists. So there's literally nothing to stop her
working with children in schools. Nothing to stop her having children of her own. Nothing,
nothing, nothing. Even though there's literal video of her own. Nothing, nothing, nothing.
Even though there's literal video of her fully doing it.
Oh, it's madness.
So that's why it's called the deal with the devil, this plea deal.
Because like it's...
Gives her free reign.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did her 12 years for manslaughter and now she's out.
And the echoes of this landmark Canadian case are still going.
In 92, Robert Baltovich was convicted of the second-degree murder of his
girlfriend Elizabeth Bain. Elizabeth went missing in Scarborough in 1990 and her body has never been
found. Police now believe this to have been the work of Paul Bernardo. Baltovich was released on
bail in 2000 and finally acquitted of the crime in 2008, but he'll never get those years back.
And similarly, Anthony Hainemeyer, I think,
Anthony Hainemeyer was convicted of assaulting a 15-year-old Scarborough schoolgirl in 1987.
Bernardo has confessed to this assault and Anthony Hainemeyer was exonerated in 2007.
After Paul's sentencing, a six-month inquiry into the Green Ribbon Task Force was launched.
It was found that the conviction
of Paul Bernardo was significantly hampered by numerous mistakes. These errors stemmed from
rivalries between police agencies and the subsequent withholding of information because
you've got the Niagara Regional Police, you've got the Ontario Police, you've got the Mounties as
well, that you've got lots of agencies working alongside each other and not necessarily sharing
information in the way that they should have been.
And of course, if Paul Bernardo's DNA had been processed more quickly,
the whole investigation would have moved a lot faster and potentially they could have saved lives.
And also Ken, the naughty lawyer Murray, was charged with obstruction of justice in 1997
for failing to hand over the incriminating tapes.
But he was acquitted in 2000.
I don't know how. No, I don't know how he was acquitted in 2000 i don't know how no i don't
know how he was acquitted he must be a bloody good lawyer yeah that's shocking that's shocking
um so yeah paul's still in carla's out living her life what can you say that is the pretty
shocking story of um carla hamolka and paul bernardo so yeah thanks again guys for the voting
it was uh fantastic of you to do so.
As Hannah said a couple of episodes ago,
we will be hitting you up again next year for the same exact thing.
Who knows what we'll end up then and how many bonus episodes we might end up having to do for you all.
And how many Wembley stadiums we'll vote.
Wembley arenas, sorry.
Getting ahead of myself.
All that good stuff.
We hope you enjoyed this one.
As Hannah said, we won't be going to Canada next week.
We'll be going back to England.
No, I think we're going somewhere else.
I think we're going to Indonesia.
I think this comes out after England.
Whatever.
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So please follow us on the Instagrams and on the Twitters at Red Handed The Pod.
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Malaysia.
Malaysia.
Oh, so racist.
Okay, great.
Sorry, sorry, Indonesia slash Malaysia.
We're going to Malaysia next week.
On Thursday, not next week.
Two days.
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