RedHanded - Delphi Update: Patreon Round-Up - December 2022

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

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So he was like, I don't want to do this. So the very same day, Judge Frances C. Gull was appointed to take his place. And Judge Frances C. Gull is a very good choice. She's very, very experienced in high profile cases. She knows her shit. So I feel confident that they now have the right judge to handle a case of this magnitude and this complexity and this level of public interest then after that there was of course the handwritten letter sent by richard

allen himself sent to the courts begging for legal assistance this was crazy to read because he was basically like i don't have any legal um any legal uh support i need you to appoint me public defenders um and people were like oh my god why wasn't he given public defenders in the first place and this is because when he was first arrested he said i do not want public defenders i'm going to find legal representation for myself and then he realized just how expensive that was going to be because i think this is a very high profile case and i was interested when richard allen was first arrested to see if any big law firms might take the case pro bono just to have because it's going to be so high profile but i think with the double child murder i think they were like this isn't really the case we want

to attach our names to pro bono so i think they were like we'll take it but you gotta pay us um so obviously richard allen now being in jail and because when he was first arrested no bond no bail they were like you're in prison that's it and his wife kathy um lost her job pretty well she either lost her job or she didn't feel safe going to work either way they don't have any money coming in so he was like i need public. And he was after that, appointed two public defenders, Brad Razzi and Andrew Baldwin. So he's fine now he has public defenders. I mean, he's probably not fine, but he has public defenders. Then on the 22nd of November 2022, there was a hearing in the Delphi case about whether or not the probable cause affidavit,

which if you're a member from our episode has been sealed since richard allen's arrest should be made public or not so um if you remember when he was arrested the probable cause um affidavit and the charging documents completely sealed not even redacted sealed we did not see a single thing this was highly unusual because like we said these are public documents and um it's not typical. Typically, those things are released. And the probable cause affidavit basically is a document outlining not all of the reasons, but some of the most pressing reasons why the state felt that they had enough on you to arrest you.

And I think we can all, as true crime fans, appreciate the importance of transparency on things like that. Like the state can't just run around arresting people and then keeping it a secret why they've arrested them. That's very like Kafka-esque. People should know. He obviously knew why he had been arrested. His legal defense will have seen the probable cause affidavit just to make that clear. The public hadn't.

But we as the public also have a right to see that information um and also it's also important that the state has to operate under that kind of public scrutiny because otherwise that if everything is in the shadows they can act as sloppily as they want things can come out later like it's not a good it's not a good precedent let's just say that um so richard allen's defense actually said that they wanted the probable cause affidavit made public they said what is in there is not strong enough evidence to be holding him and they wanted it made public um libyan abby's family and particularly liby's family did not want it made public they even created like a petition to to keep it sealed um and obviously the prosecution don't want it released either.

So yes, the defense said that there wasn't enough evidence in the sealed documents to warrant Richard Allen being in prison. They said they wanted it made public and they also wanted Richard Allen released on a reasonable bail that would be affordable or on his own recognizance, which means no bail at all. But he's allowed out. Not saying that there wouldn't be a trial or further proceedings, but they're saying you should let him go immediately. Now, obviously, the prosecution don't want Richard Allen out. And they also don't want the probable cause affidavit made public. So they made the case at this hearing that the reasons it shouldn't be made public is because they said it would jeopardize the integrity of their case um and it would put witnesses particularly those who were at the time or who are still currently minors um and they also said and this is the

most interesting thing be quiet this is also the most interesting thing that they said the third and final point they made is that quote the prosecutor has good reason to believe that richard allen is not the only actor in this heinous crime i knew it well let's come back to that um i'm not saying yes or no we literally do not know and like even with all of the other information that's come out let's talk about it so but before we get there um they said that therefore releasing this probable cause affidavit unsealing it would um affect this active and ongoing case it would put it at risk um i found it interesting that they say they have good enough evidence to suspect that somebody was involved but not good enough evidence to arrest somebody else and i think that we can't understate how huge it was that the prosecutor nick mcclainland actually said this at

the official trial hearing because they are now saying that richard they are saying at that hearing that richard allen has an accomplice they're saying not that we suspect not that there might be a chance they said that we have good reason to believe that an accomplice may have been involved or no they don't even say that there's good reason to believe that another actor was involved which means that you don't even know if richard allen is the accomplice or the killer and the other person is the killer or the accomplice the reason that this is so big is because this could really bite them in the ass at trial because all the defense now need to say all richard allen's defense now need to say at trial is you heard it from the prosecutor himself there could be another actor here how do you know that my client is the killer how do you know he's not

just an accomplice how do you even know that they don't even seem to know if Richard Allen is the killer or not and the fact if you cannot at trial the prosecution point the finger directly at the accused and say that is the person that killed these girls. And they've messed this up in not just my opinion, the opinions of other people who are in this world, by saying that somebody else could have been involved and they don't find somebody else before the trial or arrest somebody else. You have now introduced a whole hell of a lot

of beyond reasonable doubt as to whether Richard Allen is the killer or the sole killer or an accomplice or nothing. So that is a very odd thing for them to have said. And a big gamble because like if they don't arrest somebody now, what the fuck, right? So interestingly that this all happened. The hearing was done and some people expected there to be an answer straight away, but the judge said, I'm not going to give an answer right now. I'm going to go away and think about this and I'm going to release a written statement about my decision after Thanksgiving. So we all waited.

And it was interesting to see that even Doug Carter, who was, of course, superintendent of Indiana State Police and was the lead investigator on this case, said that he didn't think that there was an issue for those documents to be made public he actually came out and said that um after the hearings he was like i think we should just make them public and i think it's also that when the documents were being hidden it also sort of created this air of people feeling like well the state clearly can't be very confident in their case if they won't release what they have like if you have a good case release it make it public what are you so worried about so we all waited and i think a lot of people including me expected um expected the probable cause affidavit and the charging documents to be made public but redacted versions because the defense said we have no problem with you redacting all of the names of the minors in that and anyone who was a minor all of the witnesses

if you're worried because they were saying they're in danger because somebody else who's an accomplice or the other killer on the outside could go get them. Redact all the names. We don't care, but release the document. So that's what we expected to see. And we did indeed see that a couple of days ago because the probable cause affidavit was indeed released. And like we said, the names of the eyewitnesses are redacted and the judge actually said that that is not in the public interest to keep this document a secret. So it is now out. What is interesting is that this document makes absolutely no mention of anybody else being involved, not even the hint of anybody else being involved. So it is weird that the prosecution said

that as one of their reasons when there is nothing in this document about anybody else. They very much make it seem like Richard Allen was a single actor killer in this. But let's go through it. So the probable cause affidavit document is not very long. It's about six pages, but it is very interesting. And it actually goes into a bit more depth about what was on that 43 second video that was shot by libby on her phone so it's not a huge amount of detail and it's probably stuff we could have probably already guessed and maybe they're still hiding things but this is what we have they say that

the video from libby's phone shows abby on the bridge walking towards her so she's filming because you know we were like why was she filming bridge guy so she's filming she was filming abby walking on the bridge they are standing at the south end of the bridge as we suspected abby is walking towards her and bridge guy is behind her right and so i think libby's like move the phone to him to look at this man who's in the background and probably moving between the two of them then it says as the man approaches one of the victims and they do not specify whether it was abby or libby but i suspect that it was um abby one of the victims says the word gun and again there's probably more to what's being said but they do not make it clear

then at the end of the video the man can be seen and heard telling the girls down the hill the girls walk down the hill with the man and the video ends so that's what we have so it's not a huge amount more than we had before and i think a lot of people us included suspected that he probably had a gun or a knife or something says guys the girls look at him they're probably like oh my god he's got a gun and then it's down the hill so it kind of confirms the things that we suspected um after this no one saw the girls again because we're going to find out that there were eyewitnesses who saw the girls before but nobody sees them after this point and there were no outgoing um calls or texts or anything

no outgoing communication from libby's mobile phone after this video was shot now what's interesting about this um is that this is the first official confirmation we have that a gun was present at the scene of the crime um now clothes belonging to both of the girls were also found in deer creek um which is interesting because up until now there had been rumors that um libby had been naked and maybe some items of clothing were missing but this is the first time that i've seen we have official confirmation that clothes had been removed from both of the girls and they were found in the river now this is the bit that's really interesting a 40 caliber unspent round so bullet was found two feet away from libby's body in between libby and abby's bodies so it's closer to libby but it's in between both of them two feet feet away. So it's pretty close, right? I'm about five feet, so half of me, very, very close. And this bullet, interestingly, it's unspent,

but it had extraction marks on it. So what they were able to conclude is that this bullet was not fired through a gun. No, but it's been in one. But it's been in one, and it's been cycled through a gun, and it's been ejected so if you put a bullet in i don't know much about guns this is what i have tried to understand you put the bullet in you move the cartridge and then it's it's been ejected out but not fired yeah now they found

this bullet they've obviously had this bullet for a very long time they didn't just find it now they've had it since 2017 but it's like a fingerprint right um a bullet that has markings on from a gun um it's similar to but not as conclusive and we're going to go on to that as a fingerprint firstly it is still only really circumstantial evidence and unless you can absolutely confirm it came out of a gun and you really can't do that so the way it's circumstantial is, although it's a physical piece of evidence, is that it's found there, but you now have to prove that it came out of a specific gun linked to a specific person. You can only do that within, it's like hair comparison. You can say it's similar. It's not as weak and we will go on to

this, but then you also have to show that that bullet came to be there during the commission of that crime and wasn't just in the woods from another day right because it's like a fingerprint you find a fingerprint at the scene of the crime but you have to prove that that fingerprint was left there during the commission of the crime not by somebody who was there another time so they had the bullet but they needed a specific gun to be able to match it to um so yes no idea of whether it was linked to the girls murders but it likely seemed that it was we still do not know if the girls were shot so again was the bullet just there was the gun used to threaten them but were they killed in some other way if the bullet was found inside them then you know that it's used in the commission of the crime but

that wasn't the case it's just found next to them and it wasn't even shot. So we'll come back to the gun but for now let's talk about the multiple eyewitnesses who saw Bridge Guy on the 13th of February 2017. Prior to this probable cause affidavit being released I had seen mention of two sets of witnesses who had seen him. None of them had been named. One of them was definitely minors. The other weren't but they were in their very early 20s and they weren't named anyway um so like i said all of the names have been redacted so i'm not just not using their names for no reason other than that so one of the group of people who saw them was the group that i was originally aware of is a group of teenage girls who saw and one in particular she's the one who gave the original bridge guy eyewitness um sketch um so she said that she saw a man walking um from freedom bridge to the monon high bridge so there are two bridges on this trail and they're

about three miles apart she said her and her friends were on freedom bridge they saw the man there and he was walking towards monon high bridge this man matched bridge guy's description and what's important is that she gave this description of bridge guy what he was wearing the blue jacket the blue jeans um the the hoodie etc she gave that description before the video and the still image from libby's phone was released so it's very likely that she who she did see is probably bridge guy unless there was another man running around dressed the exact same but we're also going to go on to find out that all of the witnesses who saw this man probably all saw the same man said that they did not see another adult male on the trails that day so she says that this man glared at her

glared at all of them and which is why if you remember in our episodes we said that there was a witness who saw him and he scared her yes yeah yeah she said that he wasn't very tall no taller than five foot ten um that he was a bit of a bigger build um and he had her yes yeah yeah she said that he wasn't very tall no taller than five foot ten um that he was a bit of a bigger build um and he had something covering his mouth like a scarf or a hoodie or something that was pulled up like he was making a conscious effort not to conceal to conceal his face now another witness um who i had not seen this before says that she saw bridge guy on the monon high bridge itself on the day of the murders. So this woman says, and she's not a minor, she's a bit older, she said that she parked her car at a nearby farm shop

and she walked onto the trails. She then said she came to the Monon High Bridge and when she looked at the bridge, she saw a man matching Bridge Guy's description and matching the description given by the girls on Freedom Bridge, standing on the first platform of the bridge so the bridge is like over a thousand feet long um and at various points there are platforms that step off on off the bridge like they're not very big like little a few planks that allow you to get off the bridge um that would allow you to like let other people pass for example and he was standing on the first bridge so for first platform so not too far off from where she was standing and she says she saw him um but she didn't get onto the trail and she didn't get onto the bridge she saw him and then she carried on on the trail and she

said that as she walked off the past the bridge and onto the trail, she walked past two girls that were most likely Abby and Libby. She identifies them as the victims. Walking towards the Monon High Bridge. So he's already on the bridge. So he's already on the bridge. Okay. So this again starts to throw up some questions because we know that the girls get onto the bridge,

they walk all the way to the south end. And then he's behind them. And then he's behind them. So he's waiting. He's waiting to see who gets onto this bridge. Right. now the question is that a lot of people are throwing up if his aim was just to get some girls why didn't he go after the teenage girls he saw a freedom bridge firstly there are there are more of them and they're older so the girl who does the gives the eyewitness testimony i from what i remember seeing she's 16 years old and she's there with more than one person abby and libby they're 13 14 that is a huge difference between 13 and 16 14 oh my god

yeah they are i mean the difference between a year 7 and a year 11 is terrifying it is it is gargantuan that leap between those two ages it is not going to have been as easy for him to do anything to those girls on Freedom Bridge. So I think he was waiting on Monon High Bridge and wait, laying in wait to see who comes. Now it throws up the whole question of, did he know the girls were coming?

Did he not? We can't answer that. It would just be speculation. So I don't know. So he's already on the bridge and I suspect, again, this is speculation. Does he see the girls coming?

He gets off the bridge he lets them pass they walk to the other end of the bridge they're taking videos of themselves he gets back on the bridge and starts walking and that's why libby starts filming him because she's like wasn't that that guy who was probably being a bit probably scared them a bit as well when they encountered him at the end or did he just immediately hide they never saw him we don't know but this woman who saw him and saw the girls places him on places bridge guy on the bridge she doesn't say it's richard allen this is the infuriating thing about all of these witnesses that we're going to talk about all of them describe a very

very similar man wearing a blue jacket blue jeans um etc always got his head down always got his hands in his pockets always making an effort to conceal his face they all seem to have seen the same person but none of them say it's richard allen because he was hiding his face the entire time so all we can say is does he look like bridge guy yes but probably so do a lot of people so anyway let's carry on so um this uh yes she sees abby and libby walking towards the moan on highbridge this woman also saw a vehicle parked in a quote weird way by the old cps building also something that we talked about in our episode if you remember doug carter and the investigators said there was a car or a vehicle, actually, they said a vehicle parked at the old CPS building, abandoned CPS building. We would like information from the driver who was parked there.

But they never released the make or the model or the color or anything. Because you remember us being like, that's weird. Why would you say that? Who are you actually talking to? Now, another witness also saw this vehicle and said it was a purple pt cruiser now i don't know christ yes now i don't know a lot about cars hannah i'm guessing from your reaction you know what a pt cruiser is exactly what a pt cruiser is they look like a hearse yes yes it's a weird looking car it's a it looks like the front of a truck but squashed down that's exactly what a pt

into a car hideous cars cars. And apparently was purple. It's the worst one. Yeah. So this witness also said, I saw this car, was a purple PT Cruiser, and it was parked in a weird way. Now this is very much speculation.

This person says that the car looked like it was parked in a way so that you couldn't see the license plate. I don't know how that happens. I don't really know what they mean by that. As we know from our jaunt in Ohio, so many American cars don't even fucking have license plates. This is true. What the fuck is that about, America?

I have no idea. I've never seen it anywhere. But when we were in Ohio, I was like, how do we know which Uber is ours because none of these cars have fucking license plates on them? It's the weirdest thing

I've ever seen. They have got, I think they had it on the back, but like none of them. On the front, yeah. None of them had it on the front. It was crazy. So anyway.

So yeah, if it was just like a tiny sticker on the back then maybe i'll take my spawn away i was confused because i was like they said it was backed into the building so that you couldn't see the back so you couldn't see the last of it was like what about the one on the front so maybe there wasn't one on the yeah maybe and also but also if you're driving a purple pt cruiser not many people have that car oh i know it's a weird car so this person says that that's what it is. It's very, very specific. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with that.

But we do know that both of the witnesses who saw this car outside the old CPS building drew diagrams of where the car was parked and how it was parked and these descriptions matched. So most likely they did see the same vehicle. Now the woman who saw it didn't describe it as a purple PT Cruiser.

She just said it was like a dark car. So most likely they did see the same vehicle. Now the woman who saw it didn't describe it as a purple PT cruiser. She just said it was like a dark car. So it's so confusing. But eyewitnesses are fucking shit anyway. Eyewitnesses, no offense to all these eyewitnesses. They did see something and they probably all did see Bridge Guy. And these two probably did see the car. But eyewitness testimony is not the best. Fallible.

It's very fallible. So another witness, Sawbridge guy. This is very interesting. Sawbridge guy walking, and again, and I'm calling them all bridge guy because they all describe the same person

or someone very similar, walking away from the Monon High Bridge down the CR 300 road north. I don't know what this road is but it's it's a public fucking road that this person saw was driving down the road and saw him and described him as being muddy and bloody yes and the timing of this would have been after the murders now this person figured that he'd been in a fight and that's why they remember it they remember this guy covered in mud and covered in blood um and it was just after 4 p.m so it would have been ample time for him to have murdered the

girls and get to that probably did shoot them then very possibly and it matches the description that the fbi said that this person whoever committed this crime there was so much blood lost at the scene of the crime whoever shot this person whoever killed the girl sorry would have been covered in their blood let's come back to the gun and etc in a second for now question why is he walking so publicly on a public road so openly was he returning to his vehicle if he was it does seem like he was walking in the direction of the old cps building that could have been his car now this all just points to the finger points to the finger let me start again you're all over with your metaphors today all of these eyewitnesses

all only point to the idea that they all saw bridge guy they all match bridge guy's description they all saw a man who seemed to be exhibiting similar sorts of behavior i.e being rude hands in his pockets covering his face dress the same etc and the only male the only adult male that all of these witnesses who spent hours on that trail that day saw this is the only male, the only adult male that all of these witnesses who spent hours on that trail that day saw. This is the only person. But was it Richard Allen? That's the question. Well, the probable cause affidavit that has been published confirms that Richard Allen was interviewed by the police in 2017. Now, before everyone gets very excited about this, basically all of the men in delphi yeah right yeah

we're questioned by the police in 2017 and richard al actually came forward of his own accord he came to the police and he said i want to clear things up i was on the trails that day and this is the thing he admitted to the police in 2017 that he was on the trails that day now again eyewitness testimony is in everything and the trials do the trails do cover a large area but all of the witnesses said only adult male i saw that day maybe richard allen didn't know that when he came forward and admitted to being on the trails that day he says that he arrived at 1 30 and left at 3 30 which again places him there at the exact time and in the exact location during the time that the girls were murdered. He even admits to having seen the girls on Freedom Bridge,

who saw him, or saw Bridge Guy, and he admits to having gone onto the Monon High Bridge to look at the fish. The bridge is quite high up. I don't know how you're seeing fish in the river. Maybe they're like those like radiation catfish that are the size of fucking buses.

Maybe, maybe. So that is quite interesting. And then he says that he sat on a bench for a bit by the bridge and then he didn't see anybody else and then he went home. That's his story. My issue is

the witnesses saw no other adult male and all of the witnesses give a description that is strikingly similar to each other. So all of them saw the same man. And he admits that he saw the girls on the Freedom Bridge and had an interaction with them. So if the girls on the Freedom Bridge saw him and all of the witnesses described the same man and he's the only adult male there then it stands to reason that he is the one that everybody saw and therefore he is bridge guy right but he places himself there and he places himself with the girls on freedom bridge and at the exact same fucking time and in the same location literally he says i was on the moon on high bridge i feel like is he saying this because he's worried that somebody saw him

because they did they just don't know it was him right and is he just doing it to cover himself because he doesn't want to get caught in a lie later so is the most obvious thing to hide in plain sight like he literally did i was there but i didn't do it yeah and i didn't see anybody else i've got nothing to hide if i had something to hide why would i tell you exactly it's almost like yeah calling their bluff right it's not saying i was never there and then they later find out that he was there because he doesn't know what he's left behind he doesn't know who's seen him yeah so he's like yeah i was there but i didn't do this so interesting um right so what else do we have um so it doesn't seem that the police in 2017 when they interviewed him thought that he was a suspect

they interviewed him they let him go it was a pretty standard conversation now how they came back to richard allen in 2022 is very unclear we do not know how they went from the 2017 interview through all of the shit with the fucking clines and all of that chaos how they came back to richard allen we still don't have that answer um there has been some reports that i've seen that they've said that they circle back and re-looked at old tips and interviews with him and this does happen you go back and look at old interviews and you realize that you missed something or some new information that you found out now makes something else that you learned in 2017 more relevant but we don't know it's very very way very very vague did kegan klein point the finger at richard allen there's

no mention of that in the probable cause affidavit whatsoever so i'm not going to speculate on that so cars what car was richard allen driving that day because he says he was at the trails and cctv proves it because he drove down the hoosier highway and he was caught on cctv and in 2017 he had two cars neither of them was a purple pt cruiser because if they were that would be very fucking yeah handy right yeah what he did have though was one of them was a black Ford Focus okay and the CCTV from that day confirms that this is the one he was driving when he went to the trails as he himself admitted it was caught on CCTV um heading towards the old

CPS building at about 1 30 so was this the car that was parked outside the old cps building but how you confuse a black ford focus with a purple pt cruiser i don't know i don't know very different cars very different cars but again eyewitness testimony it's not it's something or nothing right um so anyway all of this stuff with the cars then the probable cause affidavit confirms that richard allen was then interviewed again for a second time on the 13th of october 2022 so this year and again he confirmed and we don't know why they came back to this interview but as in went back to interview him but he was and he again confirmed i was on the trail that day i saw the girls on freedom bridge

they saw me i went to moan on high bridge and i saw no one else there i parked my car on the side of an old building vague and he also admits in this 2022 interview to be wearing a very similar outfit to what bridge guy was wearing that day he says he was wearing a blue cow heart jacket um and jeans and he said that he saw no one else that day but that's so he places himself there at the exact time in the exact place wearing the same fucking clothes as bridge guy but again it's because he knows he can't deny it because those girls on freedom bridge saw him and he admits to seeing them so that same day so the 13th of october 2022 the police searched richard allen's house this is the first time and they recovered jackets boots knives and firearms including

a sig sauer model p226 now the next day on the 14th of october sorry not the next day the next week um all of this stuff goes to the forensics lab where it's analysed. In particular, they focus on the Sig Sauer model P226 because they have a bullet that they need to compare. Now, to compare the extraction marks on the bullet that was found, obviously, they needed a gun all along and now they have one. So the forensic analysts who were working this gun and this bullet came to the conclusion after looking at the bullet and richard allen's gun that although the bullet had not been fired they said that their tests showed that this projectile the bullet that they found at the crime scene had been cycled through richard allen's weapon they are saying this so basically anyone who's watched CSI you don't need me to tell you this but when a gun is fired um the bullet blasts down the barrel

and it encounters ridges and grooves in the barrel of the gun that cause it to spin to increase the accuracy of the shot those ridges and grooves are there for a purpose but these ridges and grooves dig into the soft metal of the bullet and they leave striation they leave marks they leave dents now at the same time and i got this from a forensics official forensics government website it says at the same time that the bullet explodes forward the cartridge case explodes backwards with equal force against the mechanism that absorbs the recoil causing the breach face this stamps an impression onto the brief breach face into the soft metal at the base of the cartridge case which is then ejected from the gun so the theory behind firearm identification is that microscopic striations and impressions left on the bullet and the cartridge are unique and reproducible so if you get another bullet put it in that gun and

shoot it again, they should match. And therefore, they say it's like a ballistics fingerprint and it can be used to identify a specific gun. If, obviously, they find bullets or cartridges at the scene of the crime. But the problem is that bullets and cartridges fired from different guns might have similar markings that are statistically significantly similar enough through observation, especially if the guns were manufactured consecutively, which I thought was interesting. So this raises the possibility of false positive matches, right? This is not a hard and fast rule. This is not DNA. This is not even a

fingerprint, even though they call it a ballistics fingerprint which i think can be quite misleading this is subjective this is subjective this is down to an analyst looking at two bullets one that they fired through this gun one that they found at the scene and comparing the two to see if they are statistically significantly statistically similar enough to say that that is a match so it's not a hundred percent and that's let alone if the bullet is fired through the gun in this case the bullet wasn't even fired through the gun it was only cycled through the gun so i don't know how that makes a difference but it feels like that makes it even less a hundred percent of a match so yes they themselves have admitted in the forensics report this is subjective in nature, this is subjective in nature.

This match is subjective in nature, which is probably not strong enough evidence to secure a conviction. They're going to need circumstantial evidence to back this up. They are going to need a whole hearty case. I'm not saying everything in the probable cause affidavit is everything that the prosecution have. That would be crazy and it would be very unlikely. They will have more, but this is what we now know. So get this, the Ontario Liberals elected Bonnie Crombie as their new leader. Bonnie who?

I just sent you her profile. Check out her place in the Hamptons. Huh, fancy. She's a big carbon tax supporter, yeah? Oh yeah. Check out her record as mayor. Oh, get out of here. She even increased taxes in this economy. Yeah, higher taxes, carbon taxes.

She sounds expensive. Bonnie Crombie and the Ontario Liberals. They just don't get it. That'll cost you. A message from the Ontario PC Party. You don't believe in ghosts? I get it. Lots of people don't. I didn't either, until I came face to face with them.

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