RedHanded - Episode 116 - Hannah Foster: Followed

Episode Date: October 17, 2019

For weeks 17 year old Hannah Foster had been experiencing an uneasy feeling; she was sure that a strange man was following her.  Terrifyingly, she wasn’t just imagining things...  And one night, when Hannah was just yards from her front door, she was abducted. 6 days later her body was found.  The stellar police investigation that followed quickly identified a suspect, but unbelievably he had already fled the UK and disappeared to India, a nation of over a billion people. Navigating racial tensions and cross nation cooperation meant that bringing Hannah’s killer to justice was not going to be an easy task. Store: www.redhandedshop.com References: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3203251/Last-words-of-Hannah-Foster-played-to-murder-jury.html https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/25/ukcrime2 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/13/hannah-foster-suspect https://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/kohli-maninder.htm https://uk.reuters.com/article/britain-murder-hannah/man-jailed-for-life-for-hannah-foster-murder-idUKLNE4AO09120081125 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hannah-foster-murder-suspect-confesses-on-television-80n33h5kns5 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7741562.stm https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/hannah-foster-murder-how-a-grieving-family-moved-the-indian-nation-to-join-fight-for-justice-1-1148566 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-forensic-scientist-helped-solve-2142516 https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Hannah-Foster-murder-case-Kohli-denies-charge/articleshow/2612369.cms http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/magazine/7748046.stm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44871218 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5uCKVWZX0   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And welcome to this week's Red Handed. We're back from holiday. We were in Crete last week, but we are back in sunny London to bring you this week's episode. And I'm sure you are all aware by now because the weather is so fucking shit it is October it is mid-October and that means that it has already been my birthday it is about to be Saruti's birthday and then of course at the end we've got Halloween and for Halloween we are bringing back our spooky bitch merch t-shirts tote bags the whole thing just it's just two things but it seems like quite a big thing.

And hoodies, and hoodies. Oh, and hoodies. Three things. If you would like a special discount to our brand new Spooky Bitch merch shop, you can go to redhandedshop.com and enter your email and then someone will send you a very secret message later on in the week. That code that he will send you will give you a very exclusive discount that I think will last a week from... So you have to move fast, fix up, look sharp. You have to do all of those things. Exactly. Exactly. And if you've forgotten, although it is much better a link than we've ever had before, redhandedshop.com, the link will be in the episode description. So click on that, that go submit a lot of people being

like on facebook i don't understand what to do there's a big bar guys that says submit just write your email address in there and submit please stop messaging us on instagram with your emails we can't do anything with them there you need to go to the website put in your email you have to do it yourself like a big girl put your big girl pants on and or a big boy whatever like yeah or a big anything you want to be just put it in there and send it and you will get a delightful email okay great so i think i think i can't remember my brain is like also this is the first episode we have recorded since we got off the tour which is quite exciting never yeah no it's not is it not oh we did you but oh my god never mind what's going on no i think we're very much in the same headspace we got back from crete yesterday i've basically just been watching the terror back to back like i'm obsessed

i'm gonna go and watch it go watch the, it's great but you should also just carry on listening to us which is fine too Right, what am I doing? An episode, that's what we're doing back on track So this Halloween, this October extravaganza if you hadn't already cottoned on we are really trying to scare you

and that is why we have chosen this story this week because really put the shits up me and i'll be surprised if it doesn't put the shits up you as well in early march 2003 17 year old hannah foster told her friend helen that she was a bit worried about a youngish looking south asian man who had been hanging around the end of her road and she lived near the city center in southampton with her family and Southampton if you don't know is a port city on England's south coast there's a university there it's very studenty

but Hannah was just 17 she's still at school and she was also sure that this man had followed her home at least twice so she was on edge. Helen and Hannah were friends and they had been since they were 11 years old when they had started secondary school together. Now, Hannah was an exceptional student and was planning on studying medicine once she'd completed her A-levels. And according to her teachers, Hannah was absolutely capable. And on the 14th of March, Hannah and Helen decided to go out in Southampton. They went to three different bars on the high street, and they had one vodka, lime, and lemonade in each place that they went to three different bars on the high street and they had one vodka lime and lemonade in each place that they went to. It's such a 17 year old drink isn't it? I think the very last time I had a vodka lime lemonade I was in fact 17 years old. It is but then saying that

like my drink of choice these days is a vodka soda lime which is is it's like the 10 year on movement from drinking a vodka. I don't know if it is I think it's more of a like calorie thing isn't it like I'm not convinced anyone actually enjoys it I mean I think it's fine I I enjoy it it's fine I can get on with it I feel like it keeps me hydrated it's mostly water helps the hangover and calories too also gone to the extreme now that I don't even take lime cordial it's just fresh lime that's all but that I don't even take lime cordial. It's just fresh lime. That's all. But anyway, they don't need to worry about that kind of thing because they're only 17. And it's also much better than the rest of your drink of choice history, isn't it? Tell

the people. Oh, yes. I've had quite a, as Hannah discovered on our holiday in Crete, I've had quite a, what would you say, evolution in drinking tastes. No, I think you're just like, that liquor tastes kind of like a cake that I like. Therefore, I'll have it with Coke. I've just had many a drink. I feel like they've been very themed around what was going on in my life at that point. When I worked in this bar at university, I used to drink a lot of Covorsier and Coke. Also used to drink a lot of tia maria and coke um and then when i got sick of coke as a mixer i started drinking quite a lot of diserona and cranberry juice which tastes like a cherry haribo so you're welcome i am amazed your teeth are as good as they are i'm amazed you

have any at all honestly no i know i know but then i got more into sour drinks. Now I like a Pisco Sour, but again, killer for the hangover. So sadly now it is just vodka, soda and lime. I will drink anything you give me. Anyway, the point is... And so these two, even though they were just 17, they couldn't really have been drunk. I don't think really like having three vodka, lime and lemonades or whatever in three different places would have gotten anybody drunk. They were obviously drinking underage, but I do think in most places, not even probably just in England, most places,

every town has at least one pub that would probably serve underage clientele. And apparently in Southampton in 2003, they had at least three that would. Ours was called the Eagle. We used to call it the Illegal Eagle. I never actually went out drinking in pubs in my town when I was underage. Oh, weird. So I don't know which one was. My mate Liza had a fake ID that she'd got off the internet or something. Or someone had left it in a shoe outside her house or something.

I can't remember. But we'd send her in first, scope it out, and then we'd go in through the back entrance into the smoking area and then send her in to buy the rounds. Which she was the youngest looking out of all of us, but just had the biggest balls. So like she was just the one that had the fake ID. And somehow we got away with it for years.

Wow. Congratulations. No, we never did. I think people did do it. They probably did it more in like kitchen than they did in the town I grew up in. But yeah, I don't know. I was very boring. I was very boring. I just never did any of that stuff. I just waited until I went to uni and then lost my mind for the first two years. You just did Ouija boards in the woods. Oh,

exactly. Yeah, we stringed in the woods. I was too scared to go do it in a pub because I was convinced I'd get caught. And arrested and go to prison for the rest of your life. Yeah, that too. I was convinced that's what's going to happen. I'll be like, this will ruin my life. But anyway, after Helen and Hannah finished their third drink, they decided to head to a local club where they thought that some of their mates might be. As Hannah and Helen started to walk over to the club, they both started to feel that feeling that has befallen every single one of us on a night out. The dreaded, I would rather eat my own shit than go into a sticky, flawed nightclub right now-itis. I've been there. You've been there. We've all been there.

Thank you for putting it so beautifully, though. You're so welcome. I'm feeling that feeling right now. It's such a specific feeling where you're walking to the club and you're like, I just can't. Yeah, I just don't go. I'd be like, no. Oh, not anymore, but in my youth. Yeah, yeah. No, I think when I was probably from like 18 to 25, I was like, yeah.

And then I was just immediately like, oh no, no, no, no, no. When we went to Visions that one time when we went out and we were literally the oldest people there by like five years and we were like, and now we leave. No, never again. And I've never, ever been back. I was forced to go to the Cuban in Canterbury the other weekend. That was quite something. I'm just going to leave it at that because if you've been there, you know. So Hannah and Helen get the, I just can't face this feeling.

And Hannah turned to Helen as they were walking and she said, shall we just not bother? And Helen, probably breathing a huge sigh of relief, agreed. So the two teens turned on their heels and headed to the nearest bus stop. Hannah lived just off the high street. Helen lived a little bit further away, so Hannah waited with her mate until the bus came and then made her own way home. As Hannah turned down a side street, the bus passed her and she waved at Helen as she drove by. The next morning, Helen got a distressed phone call from Hannah's younger sister, Sarah. Hannah hadn't made it home the night before,

even though she was so close to her house when Helen had left her. And we're talking like a few hundred yards. We don't just mean like she was in the same town. We mean like she is genuinely just yards away from her house. Spitting distance, genuinely. So Hannah's parents had realised that Hannah hadn't come home in the early hours of the morning. And Hannah always told her parents if she was planning to stay out. So this was wildly out of character for her.

So at 5am, Hannah's parents started to ring and text her. But they received no response. So at half past ten in the morning, they were sufficiently worried enough to call the police. As Hannah had no history of running away, or even forgetting to text her parents when she would be out late, the Southampton authorities were pretty certain early on that they were looking at an abduction situation. So the search for Hannah began, but only two days after she was last seen, the worst happened. A 14-year-old boy spotted a body on the side of a road called Allington Lane,

which is about a 20-minute drive from the centre of Southampton, and he had seen the body as he passed in the back of his mum's car. When the call came into the police station, a silence fell over the room. Everyone knew who that body was going to be. It was Hannah. She had been beaten and strangled to death. And later, it was also confirmed that she had been raped. Hannah's body was found fully clothed. She even still had her coat on.

And it was a good thing she did, because the forensics team were able to pull a full DNA profile of the person who had done this to her from that coat. Now this might sound like the best news ever but the profile that they had pulled off this coat did not raise any matches on the police system so whoever it was wasn't known to the police at least not yet. So this is important obviously they found the DNA profile but they still now need to find suspects in order to cross-check against this. Yeah, it means absolutely nothing.

Like they're just like, oh, if we magically find this person, we're going to be able to identify them. But they've got nothing to go on, really. It's just now going to be a tool to rule people in or rule people out as and when they find suspects. And Hannah's mobile phone and handbag were not found with her body, despite the fact that she was fully clothed and still wearing a coat and everything. But her phone did give the police something else to go on. And to understand what that was, we have to understand how police track mobile phones. And for the longest time, I thought that they could track the battery even if the phone was off. But I've double-checked with our very own police correspondent,

who must remain nameless and genderless I'm afraid. We're going to call them PC Excellent and it really hurts me that you don't know how funny that joke is because you don't know their real name but I know how funny it is so on we go. And according to PC Excellent the way the police track your location via your phone depends on whether or when the phone has been called or texted. And when a call or text is sent to a phone, it registers to the nearest telephone mask, the nearest one to the phone, as every serial fan well knows. And the police can see these registrations or pings on some sort of giant massive supercomputer. And as there are so many telephone masks lying around,

or cell phone towers for our international friends, these pings can usually give a pretty good idea of the approximate location of the phone. And if the phone is moving, that generally means that it's with a person. And although that may not be the person the police are looking for, it's certainly a start. If a phone is off, then the police can only see its last known location, which is essentially the last telephone mast that particular phone pinged. Because Hannah's parents started to call and text her in the early hours of the morning, the police had quite a lot of telephone mast pings to work with. It was clear that Hannah had been moving all around Southampton

and had also gone down to Portsmouth. Portsmouth is the nearest city to Southampton, but it is about a 40-minute drive away. And the last recorded location of Hannah's phone led the police to a recycling plant in Portsmouth, where they recovered her phone and her handbag. And Hannah Foster, just like this Hannah did did in 2003 had a nokia 3310 which astonishingly means even though hannah had been dead for four days her phone was still on i can't like can you imagine i can't even imagine no i can't i mean i can because i had one and i witnessed it with my own eyes but i've completely forgotten that you literally needed to charge it once a week gone are those days especially with this latest iOS software update

which has now hit me fuck it man like I hate it I hate it so much it's a con they want you to buy the new phone fuck you Apple I know but it's also like I want to buy the new phone and I hate myself for wanting it oh good but thank you for that explanation. Hannah's darkest hours. It's okay, it's okay. I mean, that's what society set up for you to do now, so it's totally fine. I know, I'm a cog in the machine. And by the phone.

So Hannah's movements on the night she was last seen were not the only thing that that phone revealed. On the night that Hannah had gone missing, she had called 999. So authorities retrieved Hannah's call and after enhancing it, they got a clearer idea of what might have happened to Hannah and also a chilling wake-up call. Hannah, clearly knowing that she was in trouble, called 999. And maybe her phone was in her pocket,

maybe she had managed to dial it while it was still in her bag, but she called them. And the 999 recording made it clear that Hannah was in a van with a man. This man told Hannah to keep her head down and some sources even say that he quote wanted to fuck. But we've only seen that in one place so we're not 100% sure on that. Now whether this man had said that or not his intentions were very clear. Whether he said oh

I want to fuck or not like I think that's probably only in one place because a lot of newspapers like might not print that you know that's very true and i think it's also like what whether he said that or not they find her dead body and she's been raped so yeah it's neither here nor there really exactly and like we said whether he said that or not like it's pretty clear what's going on and also it's very clear in the recording that hannah is absolutely terrified the fear is very clear in her voice when she gives absolutely terrified. The fear is very clear in her voice when she gives the man a fake name and tells him where she lives. And at times it is difficult to hear exactly what is being said. But Hannah is obviously in serious danger. But Hannah was not able to speak directly to the 999 operator. So imagine she's either dialed 999 from her pocket, from her bag,

somewhere she's in this van with this guy, she's terrified. And although the call rings and you can hear the background noise, she's not able to obviously speak to the operator without alerting this guy that she's calling for help. And when the operator does not get a direct response from a caller, the call is transferred to an automated service and after just 50 seconds, Hannah's call for help was terminated. Now, operators apparently will ask 999 callers to tap the handset if they are unable to speak, but that is assuming that you can hear.

And if Hannah didn't have the phone close to her ear which is what we assume how could she have heard that instruction and even if that's the case like even if you didn't hear that instruction how would anybody know this like is this public knowledge like i didn't know this no i don't know this and this is the frustrating thing about it like whenever the police talk about this case or cases't know this and this is the frustrating thing about it like whenever the police talk about this case or cases similar to this oh well we have that it's called silent solutions this um policy they have in place of like oh if you can't speak to me blah blah blah um then do these things but if you can't hit and like surely the whole point of making a silent

999 call unless you're locked in a cupboard or like behind a bathroom door like in the shining and you're just trying to be quiet like how how is that helpful to you if you can't have the phone next to you if you can't hear the instructions and nobody knows this like I'd never heard it until like reading about this case I never knew that there was a system in place for silent 999 calls it's very weird like esoteric information that is just like, nobody knows this. And like you said, if you can't hear the operator giving you that instruction, then you can't carry it out. But it just seems remarkable that Hannah's call was just terminated. And I get it.

Obviously, people make like accidental calls. But why isn't this? Why won't we talk this at school for example well this particular one only came in in 2001 so i don't know whether it's i mean but like i was in school in 2001 i was in school in 2001 i didn't go to uni until 2008 like yeah right so like i have certainly never heard this and like obviously uh there should be public knowledge however there is no perfect system it simply does not exist. And accidental emergency calls happen all the time, like millions,

like absolutely an outrageous number of accidental calls. And that's actually one of the reasons that Silent Solutions was brought in to differentiate the genuine silent calls from the butt dials, basically. My little brother used to call 999 all the time when he was like two it was so embarrassing but you know it happens so the introduction of the tapping of the handset if the caller is unable to speak but genuinely needs help as i said introduced by the met in 2001 in an attempt to differentiate between butt dials and genuine calls for help but if there is no screen

tapping that the operator can hear and only background noise, the call is deemed to have a quote, negligible chance of being genuine and it's cut off. These calls are transferred to an automated service at the Met's Central Communication Command and the caller is asked to dial 55. And if they do, the call is immediately connected to the police. If if they do, the call is immediately connected to the police. If they don't, the call is cut off totally. And again, all well and good connecting it to this service and telling them to dial 55. If they can't hear that instruction, it's basically useless. Even if you've got it to your ear.

I tried this earlier just when we were reading about this case. I've got really long nails. And when I tap them on my screen, it makes a really fucking loud noise. tried this earlier just when we were reading about this case i've got really long nails and when i tap them on my screen it makes a really fucking loud noise and i was like would you even have the confidence to do that if you were in this situation because you were gonna imagine you're hiding it just feels like terrifying would you take that risk to tap the phone i don't know i felt like i mean i think you would if your life depended on it i mean you would but i feel like it's gonna alert somebody i don't know it scares me the whole thing, you would, but I feel like it's going to alert somebody.

I don't know. It scares me. The whole thing. Yeah, I think it's a smaller risk than pulling out your phone and having it by your face. Like it's, you know, if you've got the bravery and the courage to call 999 in that situation in the first place, which I think is an incredibly brave thing to do, at least there's something that they could possibly do. You know, like it's there's there's no like psychic emergency services, you know. So this getting put through to an automated service and then getting cut off is exactly what happened to Hannah. So I think the best thing we can do here is sort of give a sort of a public service announcement, I suppose. If you are in trouble and you need to make a silent 999 call tap the screen for a while and then dial

five five i suppose i think that's maybe the the only thing wait for them to put you through to the automated service wait just i don't know some arbitrary amount of time and then hit five five i guess i guess wait a minute and then wait another minute yeah i suppose if you are in the united states and you're unable to speak during your emergency call, dial one for police, two for the fire brigade or three for an ambulance. The operator will then ask a series of yes or no questions and you should use four for yes and five for no. But of course, again, if you cannot hear what the operator is saying,

these instructions are pretty useless. And if you're in any other country, we haven't looked this up for everywhere, but go look it up. This is important information that I didn't know before we did this yeah it's so important to know hey and i'm 95 sure that the position that hannah was in was that it's either in her bag or in her pocket and she can't hear what is being said on that night in 2003 and after spending a lot more time with h Hannah's 999 call, the police did glean some things from it.

And they do say this is also important. Like, I don't think we should give too much blame to the 999 operator. Like, the police said the stuff that we're about to talk about that came from the 999 call came after it was enhanced several times. Like, there's little to no chance the operator would have been able to hear what was going on. But after they enhanced the 999 call the police learned four major things the man who was with Hannah was

South Asian he did not have English as his first language the van he was driving was a diesel and it had a refrigeration unit and I think that maybe I just like love cars and CCTV but um because every time this happens I'm like yes police fucking killing it amazing that maybe I just like love cars and CCTV, because every time this happens, I'm like, yes, police fucking killing it. Amazing. But maybe I should calm down, but I probably won't. Because I think this is pretty good policing. What happens next? I don't think you should calm down.

That's so cool that they were able to figure out all that information. Like, I think that's fucking awesome. We give the police a hard time when they deserve it, but we'll give them good work. They do good work in this case, for sure. So the police used the locations that they had found in Hannah's phone records and scoured every CCTV camera that they could find in those locations and looked for diesel vans driving around Southampton and Portsmouth. After they did this, they were able to compile a list of just seven vans. And then they appealed to the public with this information. They said

that they were looking for a South Asian man with a diesel van. Now, the owner of a local South Hampton sandwich delivery company contacted police to tell them that he had a South Asian man who worked for him who would have had access to a diesel van on the night that Hannah went missing. He gave the police the registration plate and bingo, that van showed up in every single place. Hannah's phone records showed that she had been. And the final nail in the coffin was that this diesel van that had a refrigeration unit was recorded three times by the CCTV at a petrol station, right near where Hannah's body was discovered. And according to his delivery schedule, he had absolutely no business being in that area

of Southampton. The man in the van was 35-year-old Maninder Pal Singh Kohli. He had lived in Southampton for eight years. He had a wife and two sons. Before living in Southampton, he had lived in Punjab, in northern India, and he had moved to the UK after an arranged marriage with a woman named Shalinda, who was a British national, and he said that he had come here in search of what he thought would be a better life. Meninder was a keen gambler, and an even keener drinker. He had borrowed £16,000 from his colleague to try and make a dent in his gambling debts. He could often be found in the pubs of Southampton, and the one that he was in the night that Hannah had disappeared was called the Mitre.

And it was extremely close to where Hannah and Helen had been drinking that night. After the police were sure of both the van and the man, they headed straight to the sandwich delivery HQ and cordoned it off. There they found the diesel van that had been reported and that Coley had been using. And inside it, they found more evidence than they could shake a stick at. And I tried to find the origin of that phrase. I think I've got this like real chip on my shoulder about etymology now. And apparently, I haven't done a great job, but apparently there are two options. Either like shaking a stick at something is like an act of aggression. So if there are too many things,

you're not going to do that because you won't win because there's just you and your stick or counting sheep with a shepherd's stick and if there's too many sheep and you can't count them because there's too many so there you go oh not as exciting as I thought it was going to be but it's in there now and I was just taking it in I was just taking it in is that Is it the same stick as grabbing or getting the wrong end of the stick? Is this the same said stick? Oh, no, I know the wrong end of the stick one. Oh, go for it. She says, like, I'm sure I'll find out.

So in ancient Rome, they used to wipe their bums with sticks, which is also where the phrase poo sticks comes from. And if you picked up the wrong end of it, it meant you had poo on your hands. So I think I did actually know that one. I like it. There's another podcast here. Where words come from with Hannah Maguire. No, I don't want to do it. I'm too scared. It's literally just like a minefield, man. I love it. I love it. I'll stick to what else don't I know with Hannah Maguire and Father Neil. We're back inside the van and they found Coley's semen on the seat and they found Hannah's blood and hair and a chrome pole was also found

and that was covered in Hannah's blood as well and it had clearly been used to incapacitate her. The DNA profile that was pulled from Hannah's coat was an exact match for the DNA profile from the semen sample collected from the van. And this surely meant curtains for Coley. But it's not actually going to be that simple. Surprise! Just under two weeks after Hannah was murdered, the Southampton Metropolitan Police headed to Manindapal Singh Coley's house. But the man himself was nowhere to be found. Neither was his wife or his two children.

The house stood completely empty. No furniture, nothing. The house was totally, cavernously empty. This is obviously quite a large red flag, and it's a red flag that the police followed a fairly short distance to Kohley's wife, whose name is Shalinda, and she was hiding out at her parents' house just a stone's throw away. Shalinda's marriage to Coley was not a happy one. It was arranged via a newspaper advertisement, and the pair didn't know each other at all when Coley moved to Southampton. They had very loud

arguments that all of their neighbours were aware of, but that didn't mean that Shalinda wasn't going to defend her husband. When the police found her, she told them that he'd headed to India because his mum was dying and he wanted to see her one last time. And you might be thinking, well, that's very convenient. But actually, it turns out that it's true. Coley's mum had, in fact, been hit by a bus and had slipped into a coma and apparently didn't have much time left. So just four days after Hannah was murdered, Kohli headed to Heathrow. And we know that because he's all over airport CCTV wearing a very distinctive light blue turban. India has a population of over 1 billion people. Kohli so easily could just arrive and then disappear. And the Met knew it.

Once Kohli landed in India, he headed straight to his family home in Chandrigat. He had grown up there and he knew the crack. He rented a small flat near his parents' house, but pretty much kept totally to himself. Until his brother, Ishpreet, who, as chance would have it, was a police officer, received a call from a panicked Shalinda back in Southampton. Now, Shalinda explained to Ishprit that there had

been some kind of misunderstanding in the UK and that the police were after Kohli. Ishprit passed this intel on to his brother, who of course already knew. So two weeks after he had arrived in India, Kohli ditched his turban, shaved his head, shaved his beard, and left the bedside of his dying mother, got onto a bus, and disappeared into a billion people. You don't believe in ghosts? I get it. Lots of people don't. I didn't either, until I came face to face with them. Ever since that moment, hauntings, spirits, and the unexplained have consumed my entire life. I'm Nadine Bailey. I've been a ghost tour guide for the past 20 years. I've taken people along with me into the shadows, uncovering the macabre tales that linger in the darkness. And inside some of the most haunted houses, hospitals, prisons, and more.

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And like, it is just, you can't get rid right side of his face, like, just by his chin. And, like, it is just, you can't get rid of it. Like, it's an incredibly distinctive thing to have. Having said that, he does look very different. But even when he's got his beard, like, you know how, like, scarred skin sometimes, like, hair just doesn't grow over it? So, like, even if he's got, like, a big, massive, full beard or is completely, cleanly shaven, you can see it.

Handy. So he's distinctive looking, is what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly so back in southampton shalinda told the met that on the night that hannah foster was murdered coley had returned from the pub extremely agitated and with a scratch on his face he had told her that some men had put a dead body inside his van and then he had driven it home. Good story. Good story. Great story, bro. Well done.

He's the king of great stories, as you'll go on to find out. He thinks everyone is a moron, especially his wife, I think. Definitely. And so following this shit story, Shalinda said that they then went to sleep for a bit. But then, Coley had got up at about 3am and left the house. His van was recorded on CCTV around the corner from where Hannah's body was found at around 3.15am. So, it all fits. But Shalinda refused to believe that her husband had anything to do with the murder, or for whoever the body had belonged to and she was also insistent that she had never seen the body nor had she had anything to do with the body disposal i find this so strange like i don't understand like if you're not

gonna give him up like why are you doing this like half cocked half story like you either know about it or you don't yeah i don't know i don't know she's probably either that's what he told her and she believed him either that's what he told her and she believed him or she is potentially not the kind of person that has had much interaction with other people outside of her family or her community especially not with the police and maybe she's just like doesn't really know what to say or what to do and she's just making shit up and she's not doing it well, obviously. Maybe she just sort of thinks she needs to give them something. Yeah, exactly. To make them go away.

And we know that the police questioning people, even who are a bit more sophisticated, they can break them down. I think she probably started one place and ended up somewhere completely different. And I don't think she had the whole story. But with her bits and pieces, she managed to probably tie herself in knots. This wasn't the only brick wall, though, that the police had to deal with. The Ministry of External Affairs here in the UK would not let any police officers travel to India to search for Kohli. There was also the problem of the Punjabi police force. I found this quite funny in the documentary. They have a lot of deal with my crimes first and then deal with yours later. Like it is hilarious.

They're just trying so hard in the interest of international relations not to just absolutely slag them off. And I also think to not seem like just not say anything that immediately people like you're a racist. Oh, fucking. Oh, yeah. Get on with it. Like this girl's been murdered. And I'm not saying that about the police. I understand why they're like trepidatious. But I'm like, those people that would immediately shout that. I'm like, can we just get on with it?

Like, we know where he's gone and we know who he is. And that's why it's so much more hilarious when senior correspondent for NDTV, Swati, go on, help me. Swati Maheshwari. There you go. She swoops in in the documentary and she's one of the only, certainly the only Indian woman that they have in the documentary. And she just goes, no, no, the Punjabi police absolutely would never have lifted a finger for this

because it's not their problem. Didn't happen on their turf. They would not have helped at all. Absolutely not. And also, like, just to put it into context, yes, they are absolutely right. Crimes like this happen all the fucking time in India and anybody who's like familiar with the Delhi rape case it's definitely one that we will cover in the future even when these things are happening in like metropolitan areas they very often get

I mean that one they did investigate it's just a horrific story I mean like they often get botched they often get mismanaged mishandled where when they happen in fucking rural places like he's run off to let's be real it's usually tribal law or no law and yeah I can imagine that there's an element of like this is really not our problem we've got 50 of these cases set on our desk and also I think that like India being such a big country like in in the same way that we see in the United States like in the beginning part of this story, it is just the Punjabi police, but it does sort of expand beyond that. And I can imagine that's logistically just quite a difficult thing to deal with

in such a large country with so much going on. But having said that, a reward of 500,000 rupees was offered to anyone who had any information on the location of Kohli. That's about 5,000000 there, or bouts, but no leads materialised. So Trevor and Hilary Foster were at an absolute loss. When Hannah's body was discovered, they sat in the Chapel of Rest and held their dead daughter's hand, and they had sworn that they would dedicate the rest of their lives to getting justice for Hannah. And they kept that promise. Just 16 months after Hannah's murder,

the Fosters got on a plane to India with the intention of appealing to the people of India in person themselves. And on the 13th of July 2004, Hillary and Trevor Foster held a press conference in Delhi where they told the nation, quote, we have come to you in desperation, seeking help to obtain justice for Hannah. My wife and I have travelled over 4,000 miles to ask the people of India for help.

Every parent in India will share our anguish at the cruel loss of a loved and loving daughter. This press conference was a huge deal. It was all over the TV and Kohli's face was very soon printed in every single newspaper all over the country. And according to our favourite senior correspondent, Swati, what is it? Maheshwari. Excellent. So we heard from her earlier and she said, you've got to give it in your accent, I'm afraid. I can't do it. I can't turn it. Wait, let me give me a sec. I need like a tuning ball. Okay, warm up.

With Indians, emotionally works. Well done. She's right. She is right. is right like thing is i don't want to get swept up in the whole thing of like oh indians are very like emotional people they are but they're also like just normal people because like that's why press conferences work here like that's why press conferences work totally anywhere it's like the idea of we hear so many missing case stories murder stories like you do get a bit desensitized to it in the nicest possible way. So I just think being able to put a face, see crying parents,

it does personalize it for people. That's why the police use it. But I do think in this case, in particular, it didn't happen in India. There's just a fugitive there. Also, like, you know, this kind of thing happens quite a lot i think these parents going over there appealing directly to the indian public most definitely had an impact and we can see that because after they gave the press conference over the following 24 hours five calls came in all of them were from a remote town called kamlipong near Darjeeling. And they all recognised the man in the papers because remember, Coley's face is splashed everywhere.

But they said that he was no longer going by that name. He was now going by the name, the rather bizarre name, of Mike Dennis. This is confusing because, yes, he's lived in the UK, but only for eight years. He has an incredibly strong accent. His English is not that good. Like he's lived in Punjab like his whole life. The thing I would say is that if he was pretending to be Christian, it could make sense.

Oh, OK. They're like actually like people look at the percentages of like religions from India in this country and think that that's the way it is but actually like there's a lot of Sikhs in Britain but there's not many Sikhs in India like it's Hindus then it's Muslims then it's Christians then it's Sikhs and like maybe there's also Buddhists in there but like what I'm saying is that there is a huge population of Christians in India and they will have very white sounding names because they have Christian names. So maybe if he's passing himself off that way, because he did get rid of the turban and the beard, potentially. He did, yeah. But anyway, one of these particular calls that had come through to the police came from former Gurkha, Roshan Gurung. And for those of you who

don't know, Gurkhas are soldiers from a particular region of Nepal called Gorkha. And over the centuries, they have fought for various different countries' armies. And they even fought for the British in World War I and in World War II. And reasonably recently, actually, the UK got caught up in this whole like pre-windrush, like other big scandal related to whatever, when they denied some veterans the right to settle in the UK despite their service to the British Army. And that was until in about 2011 when Joanna Lumley, who made a lot of noise about this alongside the Gurkha Justice Campaign,

and then the British government were like, oh no, actually, no, it's fine. We were going to let people stay here all along, so it's okay. Obviously, classic classic classic shit it's just because it had a light shone on it so like good job joanna honestly like windrush like i think a lot more people are aware of that just because we've got a lot more caribbean people here than we've got gurkhas so like i think it was maybe a bit more present at the front of people's thoughts than this was but if it hadn't been for joanna like if i think of gurkha's I think of Joanna Lumley like if it hadn't been for her it would

have been swept away I think. And definitely there is that but I think also just in the fairness before somebody does tweet this at us I am aware of the fact that some of the Gurkha charity campaigns and leaders of that have said that it didn't actually make the situation for people better even though Joanna's campaigning for it got a lot of people settled here, because what they were saying, it wasn't actually about just settlement and about people coming here. When they were like, you know, in retirement age, and they'd served in the British Army, they were just like, just give us a pension. We're happy to live in Nepal, just give us a pension like we should have, because we fought in the British Army. And actually, there's been some controversy that people have been brought here. Now they're

on a fixed income living in a very expensive country and they're actually really struggling whereas they could have lived very well if they'd have just british government had just paid them a pension to live in nepal anyway this isn't a gurkha podcast so we're not going to go any further into that apart from to say the gurkhas are often credited as being some of the best soldiers in the world they're like fucking fucking Spartans or some shit because the elite fighting force gets something like 20,000 applications each year. But they only, and I thought this was remarkable,

they only accept about 200 to 300 people every year. Wow, that's crazy. Isn't that crazy? And apparently when you read about them, bravery, loyalty and honour sit absolutely at the heart of their culture. And perhaps this explains why Roshan Gorang spoke to authorities. He told them that this Mike Dennis character was a doctor who was working in a Red Cross vaccination tent and was married

to the daughter of a man who ran the Red Cross programme in the area. According to everyone, Mike Dennis worked for the World Health Organization. Yes, you heard that correctly. Coley had run off to Darjeeling where he had given himself a new name, a doctor's qualifications and a new wife. And he'd also convinced a whole community that he worked for the WHO. How? Also, why is anyone letting someone run a vaccination tent without being like, hey bro, where's your degree? Where did you study medicine? Can you please show me where your pancreas is?

It just seems bizarre. It is bizarre. But the only thing I can think is like he is in a very remote place. And I don't know, maybe he just turns up and he's like, I'm here to help. And they're like, oh, thank God, come in and help. But still, you would think they do the basic background checks. Yeah, you would hope so, wouldn't you? But clearly not. Koli's new wife was called Bharati Das, and she was also Nepalese. And this posed yet another problem. If Koli went to Nepal, he really would be gone for good because there is no extradition treaty between Nepal and Britain.

And Nepal does have an extradition treaty with India, but because Kohli was wanted for a crime committed in Britain, that didn't help anyone one bit. But on the upside, they'd found Kohli. They knew where he was. But the downside is that he was almost certainly headed for Nepal, or at least he would be, the second he caught wind that the police were onto him.

So local police, the West Bengal police, started to close in on Kohli. They heard from their local informants that he was, as suspected, planning to make the jump over to Nepal. Time was running out. Seriously running out because the border, like to reach the Nepalese border from Darjeeling, we're talking just hours. Like, it's not far. It's so close. It's a bus ride. Exactly. So the West Bengal police headed to the bus stop closest to Kohli's last known address. And thankfully, the bus was late.

And they managed unbelievably to apprehend him at the bus stop. I mean, like, what are the chances? What are the chances that that happened? I don't know. It's like a film. Make a film out of this. Like, literally, it are the chances? What are the chances that that happens? I don't know. It's like a film. Make a film out of this. Like, literally, it's just like... Genuinely. Just like a last-minute car chase down to the bus stop,

and there he is. Fucking idiot. In the queue, waiting to get onto the bus that's late. Fucking hell. Now, and honestly, if the police had just been minutes late, then Coley would have been gone for good. Now, when they caught him, he tried to convince the police

that he had never heard of Maninda Pal Singh Kohli and that he was just innocent old Mike Dennis with his Nepali wife who worked for the WHO and he was just trying to vaccinate children in Bengal. But the police were having none of it. And on the 15th of July, just two days after the press conference given by Hannah's parents, Kohli was arrested. His DNA was sampled immediately.

And of course, it was an exact match for the DNA found in the van and on Hannah's coat. Hannah's parents and the Southampton police were overjoyed at the news. But the journey to trial was only just beginning. Extradition is a very tricky business, even if there is a treaty in place. At no point in history had, at that point, an Indian national been successfully extradited to the UK for a crime committed on British soil. So whatever was going to happen, it was going to be, if they were going to be able to do it, it was going to be incredibly precedent setting. Nevertheless, Kohli was sent to the courts in Delhi to begin the extradition process. And he tried every trick in the book to stop it. His lawyers would just not show up to court,

so that everything would be pushed further and further back. Kohli also feigned all sorts of illnesses, obviously just trying to buy himself as much time as possible. Hannah's mum, Hilary, while still in India, had a letter delivered to Coley while he was in prison, begging him to confess and come to the UK to face trial so that she could find some peace for her family and some justice for Hannah. On top of the hell that the Fosters were already going through,

Hilary was diagnosed with breast cancer. There is no God. Fucking hell. Like, can you imagine? Like, the absolute... How could she be proving herself more? Do you know what I mean? Just to be struck down with cancer as well, and your daughter's been raped and murdered,

and you're in India trying to find the guy that did it, and he's dragging it out, like... Oh, God. Poor woman. It's like the demise of their family is like truly heartbreaking in this story and on top of that the letter didn't work coley kept fucking around with the delhi court system for years and while all of this was going on coley's family are obviously in the press quite a lot uh his dad jagjit whose english is markedly better than his son's told the press that he was

not protecting his son. He says, if my son is innocent, then God will protect him. That's not my job. But if he's guilty, then he should, quote, face the music. Like what an idiom to have in your vocabulary. I guess it would probably be because his dad was probably alive during the British Raj. Yeah, that's what I thought. And you do find that people during that time are very much more like kind of Englishized in the way that they speak because they were taught it in that way. So maybe that's why.

But yeah, very like, very English thing. And he said that if his son was found guilty, then he should be hanged. Kohli's policeman brother, on the other hand, Ishpreet, took a completely different approach. He remained adamant that his brother was innocent and that he had been framed because he was Asian. Fuck you, Ishpreet took a completely different approach. He remained adamant that his brother was innocent and that he had been framed because he was Asian. Fuck you, Ishpreet. Fuck you.

Like, of all of the times to be like, this is about racism, this isn't about racism. This is a man who did this crime. DNA proof. Fucking ran off to India, then tried to run off to Nepal. Shut your fucking mouth. Now, his brother's faith in him clearly meant absolutely nothing to Kohli, because soon after, he went on national TV and told the nation, quote, I abducted, raped and killed Hannah Foster.

I want to unburden myself and tell the truth about what happened that night. I was totally drunk that night. I strangled her and killed her. He said that he had not been stalking Hannah, that it had been a totally opportunistic attack and he was confessing now because he was too tired to run anymore. So after three years, a hundred court hearings and 30 appeals,

Kohli became the first Indian national in history to be extradited to the UK and was finally sent back to the UK in handcuffs. When he was arrested in Delhi by British police, he reportedly stated, quote, you win some, you lose some. You utter bastard. He's literally just like, oh, well, I gave it my best shot. Yeah, I tried. I tried my way through the courts. Can't be perfect. Kept him off for a bit. You have to accept the things you cannot change, Hannah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the other bit? Give me the power to accept things that I cannot change and change the things I cannot accept or something like that. I don't know. Something like that. That's what they do at AA meetings, isn't it? I don't know.

Evidently, I've never been to one. Coley's trial began in July 2007 at Winchester Crown Court. And now, he's spun a very different tale indeed than the one that he had told on Indian TV. Now, you'll remember that we said that Coley was quite the storyteller. Well, Coley told the judge and jury that he had been coerced into raping Hannah by his colleague to whom he owed all of that gambling money to.

And this is the story that he gave. He said that he had been in the pub and when he left, he was bundled into a car by two men. These men then blindfolded him and took him to his van, in which was Hannah Foster. Then they forced him to rape Hannah and then demanded that Coley repay his debt by selling his house. And if he didn't pay, the men said that they would shoot him. How? That just makes absolutely no sense. They were like, oh, you've got this thing, you owe this thing. So we're going to make you rape this girl and then let you go? He could have at least been like, they made me rape her because I owed them all this money. And then they were going to be like, if you don't pay us the money, we're going to tell the police you raped her.

Yeah, we've got your DNA. It's everywhere. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. No, he doesn't even think of that. He's just like, and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened. And now I'm here. And what?

Fuck off. Oh, God, yeah. So that story is quite clearly total shit, and the jury knew it. After deliberating for five and a half hours, Coley was found guilty of abduction, false imprisonment, and of the rape and murder of 17-year-old Hannah Foster. As Coley was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 24 years, Justice Keith, who oversaw the trial, said,

quote, The jury saw through your lies and you stand there exposed as a heartless and contemptible man who abducted and raped an attractive 17-year-old girl with everything to live for. And then callously and quite premeditatedly took her life so that she would not be able

to point the finger of guilt at you okay i appreciate that like statement by justice keith why describe her as attractive oh he also calls her a slip of a girl in a in a different bit he's made he's trying to make the point that coley's like a big guy 16 stone and she's not 16 stone but slip of a girl is something that may be not justice keith abducted and raped a 17 attractive 17 year old like if she hadn't yeah why does that make a difference yeah like if she hadn't been then it wouldn't have been as bad i mean i'm not saying that he said that yeah i'm not saying that he said that and i'm not saying that's what he was even implying no but

like it is inferred though you just don't need to describe victims as being attractive you're not doing a true crime podcast you're just wrapping up a trial like why yeah it does make it seem like if if she hadn't been attractive she would have had less to live for yeah it's like saying she was so intelligent and so attractive and she was so young she had so much i mean we're i'm very like emotionally hurt at the end of this. So that's probably why I'm picking up on this. No, it's true though. It's a weird thing to say.

It's a weird thing to say. So Hannah's parents told the press after the trial that they felt an overwhelming sense of relief after the verdict was announced. Finally, all of their work had paid off and they could at last start to heal. Back in West Bengal, the reward money that had been promised to anyone who had information on the whereabouts of Kohli has been used to start a school dedicated to Hannah's memory. It's called the Hannah Memorial Academy and it's a primary school specifically dedicated to underprivileged children in and around Darjeeling. There's also the Hannah Memorial Academy Charitable Trust, which is based in the UK.

All of the board of directors are UK based. Should you wish to make a donation to it? I'm going to be doing that just because I don't know whether it's just because we've got the same name or like it just really like struck like an early 2000s chord. I don't know. But this is really like it's really got to me this week. I just feel like Hannah would have been someone I was like friends with. The thing that happens to her. The reason that I was so scared when we were like doing the research for this case and discussing it was because I walk home after I get off the last train and I live about a 15 minute walk from my house and the very first time that I like watched the documentary

on this case or read what happened to her was I would walk home from the train station to my house and in the place that I live in they turn off all the streetlights after about halfway through the journey like my god you live in the Victorian times to save energy because it's like the Heritage Foundation they're like we're going to save energy and we don't need to have the street lights on after midnight yes we do because the last train gets in at fucking two o'clock you probably should have the street lights on but anyway so the final 10 minutes of my journey is done in pitch blackness and there's always white vans parked on the road like right next to the pavement and i never thought anything of it before now i'd like walk past and feel like ready for

somebody to open the door and grab me and pull me in this affected me so much more than a lot of cases that we've done because it feels so grounded in reality it really does it really does yeah everyone's been every woman has walked home on their own at night and also that's the thing is they walk to the bus stop together they make sure they're together right until the absolute point that they can't be anymore and she's a hundred yards from her house this is the thing is that I used to be like oh it doesn't matter that the street lights are off I'm so close to home like if I needed it doesn't matter that the streetlights are off. I'm so close to home. Like if I needed to, I could run. This made me realise that even if I'm just outside my door,

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