RedHanded - Episode 128 - White House Farm Revisited: The Contested Evidence

Episode Date: January 6, 2020

Jeremy Bamber is currently 35 years into of a whole of life sentence for murdering 5 members of his own family. To this day he claims to be innocent, and on 6 December 2019 Bamber launched a high court challenge to the Crown Prosecution accusing them of failing to disclose material evidence that undermines the safety of his 1986 conviction. He wants to build a challenge by contesting key pieces of evidence, so in this episode we are revisiting White House Farm to look into his claims. A massive thank you to ITV for sharing the masses of evidence that they have gathered in the development of their upcoming 6 part drama on this tragic case - it starts Wednesday 8th Jan 2020, on ITV at 9pm. Check it out, they know what they are doing.   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I don't even know if this is recording. I was I was trying to like write some outlines for something and I was like uh you know when Homer's just got like donut eyes like that was basically I was just staring at this case being like I don't know I how does this work how have we done this I don't know I replied to a few emails this morning um as you can tell if you listen to last week's episode on Tommy Lynn Sales, we were definitely still in 2019. Then we are most definitely in 2020 now. And we haven't got a fucking clue what's going on. I tried to write an email this morning and I was like, what am I saying? I spelled the person's name wrong. Thankfully, I realized before I sent it. Bloody hell. Yeah, having a mare. But on that note, you're getting two whole episodes this week. So aren't you guys very, very lucky very lucky indeed pulling that one out of our ass somehow we've decided just now somehow because we've both

recovered from the flu now so we're like hey why don't we do two episodes this week instead of just one and why don't we make this one really really super long and I think I've still got a fever so yeah it's good it's good so, for those of you who have listened to every single episode of Red Handed, firstly, thank you very much. Secondly, you may be thinking, wait a minute, haven't you covered this case before? Well, not like this we haven't. Today we're heading back to Torshunt Darcy in Essex, England. And I think that might be my favourite name place of all the places we've covered. I like saying it. Do you mean place name? What did I say?

Name place. Oh my God, I can't keep up. Okay, hopefully that is it. There's not going to be too much of that kind of thing this episode because, yeah, we haven't got time. Fingering Ho is still my favourite. Oh God. And we're heading back to Torshunt Darcy,

back to the night of the 6th of August, 1985. That is right. We are heading back to White House Farm. We covered this case like fucking years ago. Years and years ago. And it's still one of my favourite cases. Genuinely years and years. And the reason that we're going back

to the infamous case of Jeremy Bamber is because it's A, back in the news, as Jeremy Bamber, who is currently 35 years into a whole of life sentence for the murders of five members of his family, is launching a high court challenge to the Crown Prosecution Service over accusations of withheld evidence. And also, B, we have had access to key pieces of evidence from the police investigation that have enabled us to really go back and challenge some of the contested evidence that Jeremy Bamba is claiming. This all happened very recently, literally like just a couple of weeks ago before the end of last year. And we have ITV to thank for this. ITV, for those of you who are non-UK listeners, is a channel here. It's Channel 3.

Channel 3. Channel 3 Terrestrial in the UK. And yeah, we have them to thank for it because they have spent the best part of last year pouring over the evidence, the case notes, and interviewing key witnesses and those affected to create the upcoming White House Farm Murders drama series that starts on ITV on January the 8th, 2020. That is this Wednesday, so in two days' time. That is coming out on your TV screens if you're here in the UK. The rest of you can fuck off.

No, we're kidding. No, no, you can't fuck off. Don't fuck off. No, sorry, sorry. What is it called? ITV Hub. That's their player. It's on there from the 9th of january from thursday the other thing we can say though for all of you um non-uk listeners is don't worry because rumor has it that hbo max and canal plus who i have no idea who they are they're apparently like some people have purchased itv's white house for our murders and therefore it will be making its way over to the rest of the world very, very soon indeed.

So don't worry, you will all get to watch this TV show very soon. And they showed us the crime scene photos that they had access to, and even photos of original police call logs and notes from that horrifying night. And we had a really great afternoon. We were just sort of pootled down to the office, looked at some crime scene photos, and spoke to someone who knew the case inside out. It was great. I had such a good time. This episode is going to focus on the key pieces of contested evidence that Jeremy Bamber is claiming should set him free. And we're also going to have a look

at the controversial elements of this case, because now we can add a little bit more clarity to them. And there's a lot to get through, so pay attention. There'll be a quiz at the end. Let's get going. So for a start, for those of you who don't already know, let's have a look at the Bamber family and who they were. We've got June and Neville, and they got married in 1949 and realised soon that they weren't able to conceive a child. In the 1950s, a woman was judged quite

harshly on how many kids she could bear. So years of trying for a child with no success had quite a serious impact on June. And in 1955, she suffered a breakdown. June was treated in a private psychiatric hospital where she was diagnosed with depression that was brought on by not being able to conceive. So in February 1958, June and Neville adopted a baby girl that they called Sheila and they adopted her through the church. But this adoption didn't solve June's depression. June found it hard to bond with the baby and by the end of the year, June was admitted back into hospital.

There was a break in reality for June and to treat this, she started a course of ECT. And we've spoken about ECT before the full word for it well words there are several and we've talked about it on the show before and sometimes we've got it wrong I always thought it was sort of a relic of medicine and painful and cruel but it actually has an incredibly high success rate and is often still used for patients dealing with severe hard to treat suicidal or psychotic depression just like June and it was actually featured in an episode of House that I watched the other day. And apparently it can make your voice go really high. Oh.

That's a side effect. Wow. No more psychotic depression for a few months, but you might have a slightly higher-pitched voice. Yeah. In the House episode, they used it to delete memories. Oh, yeah. I mean, it does do that.

I've read about people who have ECT, and apparently, yeah, it will just like fucking fuck your memories up. But you won't have as bad depression for a bit. So swing the roundabouts, I guess. I don't know. And they do do it under like general anesthetic. So I think it's like all those horror movie things where they show of people just like screaming while they're having it done isn't really how it's done now. I'm also not saying that you should judge all of medicine on house episodes. No, I think that's also important to say, just as much as we are not experts, nor are they. And as is often the case with ECT, June recovered and was sent home. And

she felt better for months afterwards. Neville got the family a nanny and things seemed to improve drastically. So in 1961, with things looking up, the couple adopted a second baby. This time it was a boy and they called him Jeremy Neville Bamber. The following information we got from the fantastic book by Carol Ann Lee called The Murders at Whitehouse Farm. I would definitely recommend this book. It is fucking... It's a beast. It's a beast. I read it on holiday over New Year's Eve and yeah, it's heavy going,

but fuck me, she's done great research. Also, the important thing is with this book and with this author, Carol, is that she actually worked with the team who research wrote and developed the upcoming ITV Whitehouse Farm murders drama. So they've really gone all out and got people who have got the best information out there, who have done the best research out there to put this show together.

So this information comes directly from that book. So during their childhoods, Sheila, who also went on to be known as Bambi or Bams, was the awkward one. She was sensitive and described as highly strung. Jeremy, or Jem as he was known, seemed happy as a child. Sheila was most definitely less so. She once told a friend that her parents gave her everything except physical affection, and she said that the lack of cuddles hurt her.

When each of the kids was seven years old, the Bambas told them that they had been adopted. Apparently, Sheila felt alienated by the news when she found out. But Jeremy, at first at least, seemed like he couldn't have cared less. Both the Bamba kids were sent to private boarding schools. June and Neville, they are pretty wealthy, they've got a lot of money. So yeah, they do what most people in their situation probably do and send their kids to boarding school. And as they grew into teenagers, Sheila was described as a timid but pleasant natured girl. People liked her at school and she was popular. The consistent description that I saw of Sheila in this book by various people who

knew her at various times was that of being quote, extremely insecure and quick to temper. And as the years passed, it was clear though that Sheila was turning into a beautiful young woman and June worried constantly about the attention that she got from men. And Jeremy too started to change. His cousins would come stay during the summer and they described him as a spoiled brat who would sulk for hours and as quote a nasty piece of work who got joy from hurting the animals around the farm. According to some of his classmates and relatives, Jeremy was emotionally, physically and even sexually abused by older boys at his boarding school. And this

is where his resentment towards his parents started to grow. In Jeremy's mind as a teenager, he starts to think, why adopt him only to send him away? So I think it's that like compounding of feelings of like neglect and abandonment that we see with Jeremy at a very young age. Not so much that he was adopted, but I think about why his parents sent him away, especially if you couple in the fact that there was sexual abuse going on when he was sent away. Oh, for sure. It's so hard to like, explain. But like families like that, in super wealthy rural areas of the family, like boarding school is a very normal thing. Like it's not like he's singled out, you know, like that's just he probably would have felt singled out if he wasn't sent away to boarding

school because he would have been the only one. Absolutely. I think it's that some of the cousins don't help. They definitely admit to the fact that uh they call him things like the cuckoo ah right and those of you who you know aren't uh up to whack up to whack i can't even think of what the phrase is aren't up to whack scratch to scratch on your bird knowledge a cuckoo lays its eggs in the nests of other birds and then when the birds hatch the mother bird feeds the cuckoo like and it kills the other birds or something like that nests of other birds. And then when the birds hatch, the mother bird feeds the cuckoo, and it kills the other birds or something like that. It pushes the other birds out of the nest is what it does.

That's the one. Now we're all up to whack on bird knowledge. His cousins used to call him the cuckoo. So I think he is sort of made to feel ostracized anyway. But I think it's also because of his personality, because they didn't like him. And it was easy to make fun of him in that way. But you're right.

It's not an unusual thing what happens to him. But obviously not excusing the sexual abuse that happens. No. Allegedly. He says, people say this. Oh, I believe every word of it. I'm sure not everybody who goes to boarding school is sexually abused. I'm just saying it happens quite a lot.

We're just saying it happens. It does happen. Apparently it happened to Jeremy Bamber. Which I find easier to believe. So that takes us up to 1974 when Sheila was sent off to Secretarial College, again very common for wealthy women of her age in that time and in that part of the country. She got sent off to Secretarial College in London and Jeremy stayed on the farm. By the next year, Sheila had dropped out of college and was trying to pursue a modelling career. June's anxiety at this point fixated completely on Sheila and her fears and depression began to become more and more intertwined with religion. In the summer of 1975, Sheila met a man

called Colin Caffell and became pregnant. And this was a nightmare for deeply religious June. And this is when an incident occurred that became a major turning point for Sheila. In a somewhat throwaway comment, June called Sheila, quote, the devil's child. And that, on top of her being in pain and discovering that she was adopted hurt Sheila quite a lot. And then Sheila had an abortion. Colin feels that Sheila never really forgave June for this comment and that it played on her mind up until her death. It's such a weird thing because it's almost just like June just says this comment to her one day

when they're together in the kitchen, they're having an argument, Sheila's gotten herself pregnant. June is incredibly religious. Her and Neville are both like church wardens or whatever that means I don't really know but they're very they're super churchy basically if they were Muslim they'd be on a list yeah and yeah June calls Sheila the devil's child and given how Sheila feels about being adopted that link to like bad blood and almost being like almost like compounding the fact that she's someone else's child and the devil's child no less I think really really pushes

Sheila into a bad place and Colin is another really interesting character in this story and we didn't speak about him much last time but he's actually written a pretty fantastic book called In Search of Rainbow's End and he also consulted on the ITV drama. And we had a look at it. Collins never worked before with any sort of show or documentary or anything involving the murders of White House Farm. So as a survivor who was so intimately involved with the case, his input can only have been invaluable. In 1977, Sheila and Colin became pregnant again. And this time, they decided to get married. For the wedding, June made Sheila wear cream, not white.

She wasn't allowed to wear white. Would you wear white? I don't think I'd bother. I don't really want to get married then. No, I mean, I won't be having a white wedding anyway. But no, I would. But it's just the fact that like, I don't know. I think last time we painted June as a bit of a religious nut. And she is very religious. And she is, you know, struggling with psychotic depression at various

points in her life. But I think she does honestly try her best. She's just, yeah, she's just in a different place. Making her wear cream is like, I'm going to make sure everyone knows what you've done. That's what that is. I know.'s it's really tough it's really tough because June also helps Sheila a lot like she's the person who probably helps her the most in her life so it's it's hard it's very difficult these characters are very complex is what we're saying and I think that especially if you watch this ITV drama it does do a very good job of painting them as three-dimensional people um for sure and if you think that fine okay okay, here at this point, Sheila and Colin, they get married, they've got a baby on the way, it's going to be happily ever after. It's most

definitely not. Not only because this is the White House farm murder's case, but also it doesn't even get that far. Because soon after the wedding, Sheila lost the baby and Sheila really struggled. She became convinced that this miscarriage had been divine retribution because of the abortion that she'd had last time. So this is the point we start to see that kind of religiosity from June really soaking into Sheila's way of thinking. But once again, soon after she lost the baby, Sheila fell pregnant again. And this time it was twins. Sheila was absolutely determined to prove in her mind that she was a good mother but by this point her marriage to Colin was deteriorating. She had the twins in June 1979 but her marriage to Colin was over and the two divorced. Meanwhile Jeremy was

still working on the farm and growing into what many at the time considered to be a handsome young man. He definitely fit the look at the time. He was slim with high cheekbones. He was obsessed with the new romantics look. We definitely talked about this last time. Very like Bowie-esque dressing. And he often dressed up in very flamboyant clothes. And he'd wear makeup and walk around the farm dressed up in tight red trousers. He's definitely making a statement, and his relatives thought that he did it for attention. But if he was, it really wasn't working, because his parents' main concern was still Sheila. And it's pretty obvious, I think, that Jeremy resented Sheila quite a lot for this. She got all of the attention, and most of the resources and money.

The Bambas even bought Sheila a flat in Maida Vale, which is not a cheap part of town in London. And she lived there with her twins and Jeremy was furious. Essex is not that far away from London, perhaps for our international listeners. You can quite easily get a train in in probably about 40 minutes, depending on where you are. So it wouldn't have been that far away from where they were all living. And after Sheeda got divorced from Colin, she was still really struggling, and there was no doubt about that. Colin was still very much on the scene, and he helped look after Nicholas and Daniel, the twins.

But June also played a massive role in looking after the boys. Nicholas and Daniel were bright kids, described as full of laughter. Nicholas was the younger of the twins and very slightly smaller. And he really, really liked it when people could tell him and Daniel apart. He wasn't really into the twin vibe that much. Daniel was really lively but a lot more serious. He was very sensitive to others and he often carried around a doll that he called Baby. Meanwhile Jeremy was starting to rebel more and more. He was a partier and this was the 80s and he seemed to hang out mainly in a place called the Frog and Bean. What's the weirdest pub name you've ever heard? Apart from Free the Pedos obviously. Free the Pedos. The Swan and Tomato. Free the Pedos. It's got to make a political

statement. Oh god I don't know. I honestly can't think of the weirdest pub name I've been in. I found a list of the weirdest ones in Britain. So hold tight. We've got the Jolly Taxpayer. Oh, good. Yeah, I haven't met a single one of those. The Bucket of Blood. That's in Cornwall.

This is a good one. The Nobody Inn. And I'm sure you've been in the next one because it's down by the Tower of London. It's called the Hung Drawn and Quartered. Oh, yeah, that one's good. I don of London. It's called The Hung Drawn and Quartered. Oh, yeah. That one's good. I don't know. I still think The Frog and Bean wins.

Shut up! The Nobody In is a classic. And there's one in Mayfair called I Am the Only Running Footman. And those are my things. Wow. That is good. Good research. Top-notch research.

I love it pub researcher hannah mcguire so back to the frog and bean jeremy drank there for free because he gave the owners potatoes from the farm i had to include that because i was like what the fuck what sort of what was going on in 80s england that you could just pay for drinks with potatoes and how many potatoes do you need to give someone to drink unlimitedly for free? I don't know. I don't know. That was basically all the information I could find about that. But yeah, there you go.

Apparently, 80s England was working on some sort of potato barter system. So I don't know. As they both grew up, Sheila and Jeremy made attempts to find and make contact with their birth parents. Interestingly, instead of blaming his birth parents for giving him away, Jeremy blamed Neville and June for adopting him. That's quite backwards logic, I think. It's like he thinks, well, if you hadn't adopted me, they would have kept me.

Right. Obviously, I'm not saying that adopted children need to blame anybody or, you know, it's a good thing for them to be looking to place blame anywhere. But, yeah, it's interesting that he just blames Neville and June straight away. And there definitely does seem to have been quite a few mummy issues that Jeremy was dealing with. In 1981, he met and got into a relationship with a divorcee with three kids. She was called Suzette Ford and she was old enough to be his mum. And of course, his parents absolutely hated

this. They even threatened Jeremy with being disinherited if he continued with the relationship but by this point June was already under a huge amount of stress. She was helping a struggling Sheila with the twins, caring for her elderly mother-in-law and her own elderly mother and not only is the Sheila situation with the twins like she's a single mother Sheila is also descending into her own mental health challenges which is making it even more complicated and once again June's religious fervor was also growing she started to see everything in terms of good or evil and as the stress intensified, her behavior became more intense. She even stopped church raffles, fearing that they were in fact gambling. And in May 1982, June's depression got

so bad that she was once again admitted to hospital. She was diagnosed with paranoid psychosis, which distorted her already strong religious beliefs, And she had more ECT. Throughout this difficult time, Neville remained completely committed to his wife. And thankfully, within months, June's depression subsided and she came home. In August 1982, Jeremy left to go to New Zealand. He'd already been out there and to Australia once before, of course, on Daddy's dime. And now, once again, Neville lent him thousands to go back and i thought it was really weird that he allowed him and paid for him to go in august of all months surely that would have been like in the middle of the harvest because jeremy works on the farm

yeah but like you don't get to be like jeremy bambo without being enabled like fuck this is true this is very true i just don't think he would have taken that as an answer. It's the same argument. Oh, well, maybe if I pay for him to go to New Zealand, that will be the thing that does it. Oh, of course, of course. He just needs to go and he really cares about this and he wants to go out there and do some diving or whatever and he'll come back and he'll be different.

No, he won't. No, he won't. Stop enabling your kids. But also, you know, this isn't like an episode of Dr. Phil, but still, stop enabling your kids if you are doing that. Did you see pictures of inside of Dr. Phil's house that have gone up for sale? You have a problem. You are obsessed.

The man is nuts. Hey, someone tweeted it. Someone took pictures and tweeted it and I saw the tweets with my innocent eyes. While I was accidentally searching Dr. Phil news on Twitter and the algorithm on my phone is primed only for Dr. Phil News. He just has a room that is like covered in guns. The walls are just covered in guns. Fucking hell, mate. So apparently on his great enablement tour of the southern hemisphere, Jeremy got himself into quite a bit of trouble that once

again required Neville reaching deep into his pockets to fix. After the White House farm murders, inquiries also revealed that Jeremy had applied for a deep sea diving course while he was in New Zealand, but he couldn't go through with it because of a lack of money. But a rumour also spread within the family that he'd actually failed the medical due to a skull fracture that he had suffered as a baby as a result of a fall or a drop. And of course, Jeremy blamed June for dropping him. But also, it's a lot less embarrassing to say you broke my head and that's why I can't do it rather than I spunked all the money drinking myself to death.

Or I'm just not a very good diver. Oh, right. Yeah, even better. Yeah, I failed. Yeah, exactly. Now it's someone else's fault. And importantly, it's his mum's fault. So this is just piling more and more resentment on top of June for Jeremy. But if it is true, interesting. Abandonment, head injury, sexual abuse. Oh yeah, good point, bingo. And apparently this return from New Zealand was a real turning point in Jeremy's behaviour according to the rest of the Bamber family.

And they say that it's this stage in the game when he becomes devious. And it was soon after this, in 1983, that Jeremy met Julie Mugford. Julie is yet another vital character in our story today. I can't say her name without laughing. I know. I just can't do it. We made such a big deal of it in the last one we did as well. And now I just feel really sorry for her.

And I feel bad that I called her Muggy Mugford. No, I mean, I don't know. Make up your own minds about Julie Mugford. I don't know. She's, I still think she's a bit of a dick, to be honest. We have watched the entire ITV White House Farm Murders drama. It's a six part series. It's very good.

Honestly, go watch it when it comes out and when you can. And in that, Julie is a very, very central character because it's all sort of told from it's all really focused around Jeremy I don't know I don't have any sympathy for her I think she's she knew exactly what she was doing she's no and she's got a stupid name but anyway I hope she never listens to this she already has she's already on her way to your house oh no Julie I also do an excellent impression as you have heard of a Julie from Essex, which was just purely coincidental. Excellent is a choice word. You said it was pretty good. Yeah, that's not the same as excellent, is it? Well, now I'm not going to do it for the people. No, I'm just kidding. I'll do it later. So if Jeremy at this point was becoming more obviously devious,

by 1983, Sheila had started to change too. She became quiet and withdrawn. And her family felt that her personality was totally beginning to change. As she began dwelling on thoughts of the devil and God, Sheila felt that she was, quote, caught up in a coven of evil with her mother, which I just thought was such a bizarre description. I've, like, never heard that before.

A coven of evil. She was agitated and showed signs of psychosis and disturbed delusional thoughts. In August 1983, Sheila was admitted to a psychiatric hospital, the same one that June was in and out of. And it was here that Sheila was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. And it was distorted by June's religiosity, as we so often see. Sheila referred often to the devil's child comment made by June, and she was convinced that it was true.

She told the doctors that she needed an exorcism, or a quote, brain cleansing. And she said that if they couldn't do it, that she would die. She was convinced that she had evil in her mind, and so did June. She was convinced that they both needed cleansing. She was put on antipsychotics and given ECT. In September 1983, she was released, having made a partial recovery. By this point, Colin had the kids full-time. But he didn't turn on Sheila. He knew that she was sick and that she was still the mother of his boys. Jeremy's reaction, however, was that she was going, quote, bonkers, and he told her to pull herself together. And now he says he does feel guilty for saying that, as he should. In the months leading up to the murders,

Sheila continued to receive treatment for her psychosis, and she was being injected on a monthly basis with 200mg of haloperidol. But Sheila hated it. It made her numb and drowsy, lethargic and confused. She asked her GP to please stop the injections, and he agreed to halve the dose to 100mg until Sheila could go to see her consultant psychiatrist again. So, on July 11th, she received received only 100 milligrams of haloperidol, and this was her last injection before the night of the killings. At trial, the defense raised the

question that could this have made Sheila aggressive? And of course, although it's hard to know how changing someone's meds might impact them, the doctor was confident that this wouldn't have made Sheila violent. Haloperidol has major tranquilizing effects. So even at a 100 milligram dose, she would have felt the effects of it. Perhaps the drug had worn off, though, by the night of the murders, considering that the GP had halved the amount. But Sheila hadn't ever shown violent tendencies before. Not to others, anyway.

Especially not with the boys. So now the scene is set. You have Sheila struggling with paranoid schizophrenia, but managing it with medication and regular injections. Sure, that month she'd had a cut to the dosage, but she'd still had the shot. And she'd been trying to get her life back on track because she really wanted the boys back. Remember, they were now with Colin full time. And I think maybe she even wanted Colin back. But by this point, he was in a different relationship. And in contrast to Sheila's struggles to get herself together,

calculated Jeremy was growing more and more angry. All the money his parents had spent on his, quote, bonkers sister enraged him. Every stay in the private psychiatric hospital for Sheila cost the Bambas upwards of £3,000 back then. That's £8,000 in today's money. Every penny of it, as far as Jeremy was concerned, was coming straight out of his inheritance.

So Sheila was struggling and Jeremy was fuming. And it was under this atmosphere that Sheila and the boys came to stay with the Bambas for a few days in August 1985. And Tuesday the 6th of August 1985 started out as a very ordinary day on the farm. Jeremy, who lived in the nearby village of Goldhanger, got dressed and came to work at the farm. Sheila even brought the twins up to the farm to watch. Just normal farm shit, I suppose.

Jeremy says that after a long day of working, he returned to the house between 8pm and 9pm. Do farmers work that late? Isn't the whole point of daylight saving that they work in the morning? I don't know. I think, again, August, like, it's harvest time. So I think, you know, he's out there all day combine harvesting. And also he's in charge.

He's not just like the farmhand. I think he's managing a lot of shit. And I do think, I think farmers basically work like any hour they can. Still see. Do you remember when I went away for my birthday farmers basically work like any hour they can. Still see. Do you remember when I went away for my birthday? People were tractoring in the middle of the night. That was very suspicious. I didn't like that at all.

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as he gets back and he said that he made himself a ham sandwich and ate it over the sink like an animal. I hate that. How long? Just take an extra two minutes to sit down. That's two minutes of your time. Nah, he's a farmer. He's got farming to do. Hate it. Right. And Jeremy says that his parents were talking to Sheila about the twins' care, suggesting that maybe Sheila should put them into foster care locally. According to Jeremy, Sheila didn't respond positively or negatively. She barely responded at all, just staring blankly and vacantly. And the thing to remember is that Jeremy, of course, is the only one telling this story. We only have his version of events of what happened that night, because by the following

morning, he would be the only one still alive. This particular point of the story, I find a little bit difficult to believe. The Bambas were respected members of the community and I'm not sure that June would have seen her grandchildren put into foster care, not to say that foster care is a bad thing, but they're just quite uppity members of the community I think. Appearances are important and also like foster care, of course if there's nowhere else and a child is in immediate danger needs to be put into foster care of course but let's be honest the foster care system isn't great if there's another alternative who would allow their child to go into that situation I just don't believe that the Bambas would be like we're going to do what we can to get your kids away from you and put them into foster care I do

not believe that for a second especially when Colin's around and Colin's got custody of the boys like how would they even go about doing that? Exactly. The dad has custody. And actually it was Colin's mum who June had spoken to months and months before the murders said that June was really worried about the boys ever

being taken into care. So it's not like this was something that had never been discussed that just sort of came out of the blue. It had been discussed and the opposite conclusion had been come to. So why is Jeremy saying all this well I think it's because it sets up the perfect motor for Sheila murdering her whole family doesn't it you're taking my kids away from me how dare you I'm having a psychotic break it's pretty good yeah and the picture he paints of coming in seeing them have supper and them just, you know, having a word with Sheila that maybe they need to put the kids into care

and her just blankly staring into the distance. And then the next morning they're all dead. Come on. He's painting a picture here. And Jeremy says that that night when he came in to eat the ham sandwich over the sink, that he had just been popping in in between jobs on the farm. And he said that as he

stood there, sort of vaguely listening to his parents after this conversation and eating a sandwich, he saw, or he remembered having seen, because he changes his story on this, some rabbits in the garden. They're obviously farmers. They're not chill with rabbits in the garden. So he says that after he finished this sandwich, he went and got the 22 Anschutz, which is a rifle, from the den. And he is always consistent in this part of the story. He says that he took the gun, minus the sights and the silencer.

So he left those, according to him, where they were. He just took the gun. And he also said that he picked up a box of 22-point hollow-nosed low-velocity bullets. And he said that he left the rifle in the hallway by a pair of wellies. So basically, he says that he stood there, he loaded the gun, he took more ammunition, but then he just left it and went back to work. Did nothing about the rabbits.

Yeah, so it's like he just forgets about the rabbits or he decides that it's actually too dark at like 8pm or 9pm to now go shoot rabbits. Especially without your sights. Yeah, so it's like he just forgets about the rabbits or he decides that it's actually too dark at like 8pm or 9pm to now go shoot rabbits. Especially without your sights. Yeah, exactly. Takes the gun, loads it, takes out more ammunition, leaves it all out in the open and then pisses off back to work. And he also tells the police that from where Sheila was sat at the dining table having supper with her parents,

that she would have been able to see exactly what he was doing and where he had left the gun. Now that night after all this happened we don't really know for sure what happened but we can imagine that perhaps their loving grandmother had bathed Nicholas and Daniel and put them to bed and then a tired Sheila had gone to her room and Neville and June had climbed into bed. Whatever happened though, we'll never know. But what we do know is that all hell was about to break loose. In the early hours of the following morning, Jeremy Bamber called the police. He told them that his father, Neville Bamber of White House Farm,

had just called him in a panic, saying, quote, Please help, your sister's gone crazy. She's got hold of one of my guns and she's gone berserk. Jeremy told police that after his father had said this, it sounded like someone had ended the call. And so he had called the police. Not 999, but local police. Who knows the number for their local police station? No, he got the fucking yellow pages out and looked up the number for the local police

and called them instead of 999. Allegedly after having had a call from his dad saying his sister's gone crazy with a gun. The police officer PC West, who took the call, transferred Jeremy to a civilian dispatcher called Malcolm Bonnet, who started taking a new call log. He too therefore also noted down what Jeremy had said. And a squad car with three officers, Bewes, Saxby and Mile, were sent on its way to Whitehouse Farm at 3.35am and they arrived at 3.48am. On the way to the remote farmhouse, the officers noted that they passed a car moving very slowly on the road leading up to the house. They didn't think much of it and hurried on. When they reached the house, they were soon joined by Jeremy Bamber.

When he pulled up at the house, the police realised that he had been the one driving the incredibly slowly moving car. They wondered why he had been driving quite so slowly, especially considering that surely, as far as he was concerned, his sister had gone crazy and was loose in the house with a gun trying to kill his entire family. And it's important to note at this stage, three accounts were being made of what was happening in terms of police procedure that morning.

These three contemporaneous accounts provide records of what went down on the scene and their interplay is what causes a lot of the confusion we see in terms of contested evidence. So remember this as we go on. We'll explain as we go. It took me a few times to get my head around this, but we're here to help you and we'll get through it together as a family. Back at Essex Police HQ, PC West, who had taken the original call from Jeremy, had set up an event log. The event log was there to make a record of all calls that came into the station regarding the event. Malcolm Bonnet, the civilian employee who worked in the incident room

at Essex Police Department HQ, and his shift replacement, kept the radio log. This was a record of calls made by officers at the scene to HQ and any calls passed to them, like Jeremy's call. And finally, the third log was kept at the scene by PC Saxby and then later a PC Chaplin and they called this the scene log and this was to record every person who arrived at the scene and generally what was going on at the house. So this is all very important put a pin in it and we will come back to it but what's important to note is there are three contemporaneous accounts or logs being taken that night slash morning.

The event log, the radio log, and the scene log. So the officers and Jeremy were all stood outside White House Farm. And during this time, some interesting things were noted, which are well worth pointing out. As they went to enter the quiet house, one of the officers, P.C. Buse, thought that he saw someone moving around inside the house, upstairs. The officers at this point asked Jeremy how many guns were in the house,

and he replied, loads. So based on this information from Jeremy that the house was full of guns, officers had to follow police procedure and wait for backup. They couldn't enter the house because as far as they were concerned, there's a live shooter inside, potentially armed to the teeth. Buse is clear, they had absolutely no choice. He says now, quote, go inside and there's either five dead people or four dead people and another with a gun. So they radioed for armed assistance and waited. And Jeremy Bamber was outside with the officers the entire time. During this time, Malcolm Bonnet, the civilian dispatcher back at HQ,

tried calling the house. So he tries calling White House Farm. And the line was open. So it hadn't been hung up or cut off like Jeremy had told police. Because Jeremy told them after his dad was done speaking and telling him that his sister had gone crazy that it sounded like someone had put their hand on the phone like to cut it off.

But the phone was just off the hook and the police were even able to hear a dog barking inside. When backup arrived at 4.58am, the police then attempted for two hours to make contact with Sheila who they presumed may still be alive inside the house. As they did this, the scene log and the radio log showed them listing their activities as they followed procedure.

They'd note down that they were attempting contact with whoever was in the house. And because the line was open, i.e. the phone was just off the hook, it almost makes it seem like someone was on the other end of the phone from inside the house. But of course, they weren't actually speaking to anyone. The phone's just dangling, not on the hook. And so when no communication could be established, the police had to go in. The first officer in the line to enter the house radioed that he could see an injured woman bent at an inexplicable angle in the kitchen. And this is the scene that met the officers.

Downstairs in the kitchen was Neville Bamber. He'd been shot to death and badly beaten. Upstairs in one of the bedrooms were the six-year-old twins, Nicholas and Daniel. They too had been shot as they slept. In the master bedroom, there were bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell. They too had been shot. And a 22-point rifle was lying on Sheila's body. It looked like a murder-suicide.

Sheila must have gone berserk and killed everyone, and then herself. So that's the way that the police investigated it right from the start. But how they overlooked in the first instance the huge amount of evidence that this was a murder is, to be honest, slightly shocking. So let's consider a few of the points. Firstly, Sheila was shot twice in the neck. Now, it's important to note that the original pathologist said that this wasn't something that he hadn't seen before with suicides.

So he said that he has seen cases of suicide where somebody has shot themselves twice. It's not an impossibility. But you have to remember that he was looking at it from the point of view of being told that it was definitely a murder-suicide. So all he's doing is saying, it's possible, it's possible. This does, however, become a little harder to understand when it was later revealed that either shot that Sheila had suffered could have been fatal.

So the idea that she shot herself once, survived, and then shot herself again seems highly unlikely. And as we said at the start, we saw the original crime scene photos that the researchers managed to get their hands on for the development of ITV's White House Farm drama that is coming out. And the most stark thing, I think, and Hannah, correct me if I'm wrong, when we saw this, the first thing that smacked me in the face was how clean Sheila was. Like, she's spotless.

Yeah, she is. I think once I'd got over the idea that I was actually looking at a real-life dead person, that's probably the second thing I noticed. And it didn't look... I don't know what I was expecting. It was such a weird moment. But yeah, she's basically spotless. Because the soles of her feet, her body,

everything was clean. She's wearing a pale blue nightgown and the blood that was on her that was on the nightgown that was on her arms it's all her own blood and they all come from the shots to her neck how is she supposed to have shot four other people and not just that she also viciously apparently beat her dad and she did all this without getting any blood on her how also that night 25 shots were fired so the gun had to have been reloaded twice. And what's important to note is that the bullets for this type of gun are apparently really small

and covered in like a greasy lubricant. And Sheila, once again, was clean. Her hands had none of this lubricant on them. Bamber's team explained both the lack of blood on her and the lack of lubricant residue by saying that Sheila must have ritually cleansed herself after the murders and before she shot herself. So they're saying that she like shot everybody, went and had a bath, put on a fresh nightgown and then shot herself. But if that's true, where is her dirty nightie then? Good question.

I mean, we do go on to see that the police did botch quite a bit of this investigation by doing things like burning bloody clothes and evidence because they were like, it's a murder-suicide, burn it all. Like, no, don't do that. They didn't do that for years afterwards, though, didn't they? That was just standard procedure, I thought. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But the thing is, with Sheila, if we do say, why on earth would she do this ritual cleansing? Well, I guess it's not unheard of maybe she did the murders naked and then she went and had a bath and then she put on her nightgown and then she shot herself like i don't know it's apparently not unheard of that people do that if they're suffering from like some sort of religious psychosis but there's no proof of this because the bodies were cremated before this theory was posed. So there was no way to test whether this is actually what had happened or not. And even if the defense could explain away how clean Sheila is with this ritual cleansing theory, there's another issue. Sheila had very long red nails.

And again, we've seen the pictures of her hands and of her nails when she's dead. Her nails were perfect. There are no chips, no scratches, nothing. Somebody who frequently has long nails, they break pretty fucking easily. She's been in a fist fight with her dad. They're fine. They're perfect. Until I saw the pictures, I was just like, oh yeah, sure, long nails, whatever.

I have never seen nails that long that are real on an actual person. They are so long. And also, even if you put aside the fact that they weren't scuffed or broken considering she'd been in a fucking wrestling match with her ex-army dad, Neville may have been older,

but he was a fucking ex-army farmer. He's like of fit stock, you know? He could handle himself. And her nails are fine. And also, the other thing is, leave alone the nails, if she'd been in a fistfight with Neville, surely her hands would have been covered in marks from the fight.

And looking at the photos of Sheila's body, we could only see one very clear, visible red mark on her hand. And the rest on her hand were just, like, very small scratches. They do not look at all like a woman who's just been, you know, who's murdered four people and beat one person half to death. Because she's not bruised. Like, who's just been you know who's murdered four people and beat one person half to she's not bruised like it's just scratches and also on top of that the bullets for the type of gun that is used are really small so picking them up and loading those bullets with massively long nails seems unlikely i've seen people try and text with like you know like the long nails that like

not the real ones but like the longer critic nails i'm like how are you functioning with those and like texting with the side of their thumb on the tube. I see that all the time. I'm fascinated by it. So yeah, picking up teeny weeny bullets, probably not. But even if we can put those issues to one side with Sheila, she was supposedly in the middle of a psychotic break, but she shot 25 rounds of ammunition on target. Whoever had done this had been an excellent shot. There is no evidence except for Jeremy's word that his sister was a good shooter. He told the police that Sheila went on hunts with the family and knew how to handle a gun, but others that the police spoke to said that she'd only been a few times and when she had gone, she'd just been the beater. That's just the

person that runs through the bushes with sticks and makes noise to like flush the animals out. It's really nice and humane. But possibly one of the biggest question marks that is thrown up or should have been thrown up was Neville's body. Neville had sustained eight shots, one under the left of his chin into his mouth, one to his left shoulder, one to his upper left arm, two to the top right of his head and two to his right temple. The four shots to Neville's head had happened in quick succession and the two through the temple were fatal. They would have led to immediate unconsciousness. So let's consider this. Blood belonging to Neville was found upstairs in his bedroom, so he had to have been shot there. And the eight shots that Neville had suffered can be broken down

into two clear groups, the four to his head and the other four. The four to his head must have been fired when Neville was in the kitchen, or at least when he was downstairs, because they were fatal. And that's where he was found. So Neville's shot four times in his bedroom. The assailant then runs out of bullets and runs downstairs to reload because we know that the bullets were downstairs. and Neville perhaps follows this person because at this point he's been shot four times but he's not been incapacitated and at this point a fight ensues in the kitchen. Neville had marks on him consistent with being pistol whipped. The attacker is able to reload the gun and then fires four more shots to Neville's

head killing him. So it's presumably when Neville runs downstairs and before the pistol-whipping fight that he grabs the phone and calls Jeremy. But if this was the case, how was Neville, who by this point had been shot in and around the mouth at least twice, was able to speak on the phone? Also, the phone had no blood on it.

How could that possibly be the case? The only conclusion is that the call never happened. And if that's the case, then Jeremy lied. But in the immediate aftermath, a lot of this was missed. The police were sure that it was murder-suicide and didn't look for much else. But DS Dan Jones was suspicious of Jeremy Bamber quickly. DS Jones was the family liaison officer for Jeremy Bamber and the remaining family members. He remembered going to Jeremy's house with him after the news was out that everyone in the farmhouse had been shot and he watched him make and eat a bacon sandwich and he said that's when his suspicions started. So DS Jones and a few others in the team

started pulling at threads, pushing to go back over all of the evidence. But they were working against the clock and they were also against DCI Thomas Taff Jones who remained convinced that Sheila was responsible for all of the killings. And the race against the clock cannot be overstated. Jeremy Bamber just needed the inquest to rule in favour of a murder-suicide, and then he planned to cremate all of them, destroying any evidence of opposing theories. Despite DS Stan Jones' best attempts, that is exactly what happened. The bodies of June, Neville and Sheila were cremated. But aside from all of the evidence that they did find, but failed to connect the dots between,

there was also vital evidence that the police missed in the home. On the 10th of August, Jeremy's cousins were at White House Farm when they found the now infamous silencer in the cupboard under the stairs. It had what appeared to be a red substance and blood on it. So there's two types of red substances on it. One is blood, one is not. And the cousins took it to another of their homes and it took the police a further three days after that to collect it. I think the silencer was actually picked up inside a toilet roll as well. I think that's all we need to conclude that the

handling of this vital piece of evidence was actually piss poor. And when the silencer was collected from the cousins' home, it was noted to have hair stuck in the red substance on the outside but later on that hair was not found or tested but the silencer itself would become all important when they tested it they found blood that was a blood group match to sheila and the blood importantly was found on the baffle plate inside the silencer now blood can end up inside the silencer. Now blood can end up inside the silencer like this when you shoot someone point blank. So the blood wasn't just smeared onto the silencer, the blood was actually inside. So imagine if you shoot someone with a silencer at point blank, it almost creates like a vacuum effect and sucks the blood in of the victim into the actual mechanism of the silencer itself.

And that's what they're saying they found. But the problem was that further testing showed that the blood group findings were inconsistent. It later looked like the blood could have been from one person who was Sheila's blood type, or it could have been a mixture of multiple people's blood. It could have been Sheila's, June's, and or Neville's, which would still fit with the theory.

But, as the defence pointed out, it could have also been the cousin's blood type. I mean, this is also implying that that person then shot themselves. But you know, the way the evidence is like, mishandled, of course, the defense are going to say this. The cousins, according to the defense, have just as much of a motive as Jeremy. Jeremy goes to jail for the murders, they inherit all the money. So maybe they find a silencer, pour some of their blood inside and then say they found it. Who knows? The problem is that blood testing just wasn't as sophisticated back then as it is now.

But the other thing is the other red substance that Hannah mentioned that was found on the silencer was paint. And this paint seemed to be consistent with paint from the auger in the kitchen. The auger next to where Neville was found dead and there are scratches on the auger. It looks like the gun had basically hit the auger, scraped some of the paint off, the paint had become stuck to the silencer and this is what they found. So let's consider that the silencer was on during the attacks.

This would make sense because the family didn't all respond as one when the first person was shot. And also, if paint from the agar is on the silencer, then it surely must have been on when Neville was being beaten. But it does pose other issues. If we look at the shots to Sheila's neck, if the silencer had been on the gun when she had shot herself, or when she was shot, as the blood in the barrel suggests, it would have made the gun far too long for her fingers to reach the trigger. Also, how did Sheila shoot herself twice, get up, go downstairs, put the silencer away, and then go back upstairs to die? The autopsy also revealed that it was unclear how long had elapsed between both shots to Sheila's neck,

but that there was enough time for a fairly large build-up of blood in the neck area. So if Sheila could have stood up and walked after the first shot, she would have been covered in a lot more blood. And also, remember that it was later revealed that either of the shots would have been fatal, so it seems reasonable to say that she hadn't moved. Also, if she's walking around, she's going to have a lot more blood on her 90 than she actually did. And if you're looking at the picture, like it all just, she hasn't moved. She's just stayed there and died. And the senior investigating officer, whose name's Mike Ainslie, agrees with us.

On the 25th of September, it was decided that there was now enough evidence to charge Jeremy Bamber with the murders of his family. And on the 29th, he was arrested as he returned from Dover from a holiday to France. The two pieces of evidence that nailed it were the blood in the silencer and the two gunshots to Neville's mouth, meaning that he couldn't have called Jeremy. And the case was built around these two facts. The other huge thing that did also lead to Jeremy's arrest is the testimony of Julie Mugford. She comes forward to the police because Jeremy makes the quite fantastic catastrophic decision to break up with her when she knows exactly what he's fucking done. So as

soon as he breaks up with her old Julie goes straight to the police and tells them everything including the fact that Jeremy had told her that he had in fact done it. And when he was crying in front of the police and giving his statements, he told Julie, I should have been an actor, according to Julie. But despite all of that, at trial, the jury couldn't reach a unanimous verdict. So the judge sent them back out to return with a majority. Then the jury found Jeremy Bamber guilty 10 to 2, and he was jailed for life. During his time in jail, Jeremy has mounted a couple of unsuccessful lawsuits to regain his share of the inheritance. And of course, he has endlessly denied his guilt and claims that the entire thing was a conspiracy and a cover-up.

And as such, on Friday the 6th of December 2019, so last year now, but just a few weeks ago, Jeremy Bamber's lawyers launched a high court challenge to the CPS. They maintained that the CPS has refused to follow directions made by the court appeal in 2002 to declose sought-after material and evidence that undermines the safety of Jeremy Bamber's conviction. The key contested issues from the Bamber camp are based mainly around the different logs that we talked about earlier in the episode. They insist that the police logs from that morning clearly show that someone was alive

inside the house when they arrived at the scene. So remember that first police officer who was in line to enter the house that morning and how he reported seeing an injured woman in the kitchen who was bent at quote an inexplicable angle. Well when he'd seen this from outside the house he'd radioed it in and it had been recorded on the radio log back at Essex Police HQ. But once he was in the house he realized what he'd actually been looking at and that it was Neville and that the way his body was sat it just made it look to the officer like a woman had been stood in the kitchen. So this officer once he saw that it was Neville, corrected himself. And this was recorded contemporaneously on the scene log.

Once the officers entered the house, they all spread out. And there were three staircases in the house. Officers downstairs start to hear movements around the house, including upstairs. So again, they record this. But they realized as they went that it was just their colleagues moving around upstairs in the house. And then, again, they contemporaneously corrected themselves. But all of this information was being recorded on different logs, either on the radio log back at HQ or the scene log.

So if any of the logs are looked at in isolation, they tell very different stories. If you look at the radio log on its own, like the Bamber camp is doing, it ignores the officers correcting their mistake and misinterpretations of things that they saw and heard that morning, making it look like someone was alive and moving around the house, obviously suggesting therefore that Sheila is still a credible culprit. The other piece of confusion that the Bamber camp is playing on is that the police was attempting for hours to communicate with someone inside the house, but this is that the police was attempting for hours to communicate with someone inside the house but this was just the police following procedure. They were simply attempting to communicate with someone with anyone inside the house but they noted it down in a way that

it makes it seem like they were speaking directly to someone in the house. They'd write the time down and then wrote attempted communication with whoever is in the house. It makes it seem like there is actually someone there and they're trying but failing to communicate with them. But again, it was however corrected in a different log that no communication was established. Another issue that the Bamber camp are raising is that in crime scene photos, the gun moves position. It's on Sheila in some photos, which is where it was originally found. But in other photos, it's leaning against a wall, for example. Again, though, this is police procedure. When you go into a scene where a bunch of people have been shot,

you have to make sure the gun is safe. So they moved it and they continue to take photos. In some photos, catching the gun in a different position. And this discrepancy has been enough for Jeremy Bamber to cry cover-up. Finally and most importantly is perhaps the so-called new call log evidence that the Bamber camp is claiming. When Jeremy called PC West saying that Neville had called him saying that Sheila had gone crazy with the gun, PC West had logged the call on the event log. He noted it down as being from Jeremy Bamber, saying that his dad had called him. But PC West made a crucial mistake. He looked at the clock in the station and noted

down the time as 3.36am. And then he passed the call on to Malcolm Bonnet, who also noted the call down on his call log. Malcolm Bonnet noted down the correct time and wrote it down as 3.26am. But for some reason, he wrote the call down in a way that reads like the call came from Neville Bamba rather than from Jeremy relaying messages from his dad. He wrote, Neville Bamba of White House Farm, help, my daughter has gone berserk with a gun. So what he's doing, he's writing down what Jeremy said Neville said, but he doesn't quite construe it in that way. Exactly. He doesn't quote Jeremy Bamba as saying it. He writes it down like he's speaking to Neville said, but he doesn't quite construe it in that way. Exactly. He doesn't quote Jeremy Bamber as saying it. He writes it down like he's speaking to Neville Bamber.

And we actually saw the photographs of these handwritten call logs. And yes, when you read it, it looks like 3.26am, Neville Bamber of White House Farm called Malcolm Bonnet and gave him a call that says, my daughter has gone crazy with a gun. But that isn't what happened. And also, Malcolm Bonnet is a civilian a call that says, my daughter has gone crazy with a gun, but that isn't what happened. And also, Malcolm Bonnet is a civilian. He's not a police officer. So he's more likely to make mistakes in this situation, I would argue. He writes down the right time. Right, but he doesn't write it clearly.

No, no, you're right. So now it looks like there was a call that came in from Neville Bamber to the police at 3.26am saying that Sheila had gone mad with the gun. And then there is a second call from Jeremy to the police 10 minutes later at 3.36am saying that his dad had called him about Sheila. But that's just not the case at all. It's the same call. It just happens to have been noted down two different times in two different ways in two different call logs. Mistakingly recorded as having happened at two different times,

exactly 10 minutes apart. You couldn't make this up. It honestly, it's mind-blowing because yeah, it absolutely looks like Neville calls the police first, then he calls Jeremy and then Jeremy calls the police. It's fucking perfect as far as Jeremy is concerned. But Jeremy Bamber is however now claiming that the police are covering up his innocence by withholding evidence because they are now saying this isn't what happened. What actually happened is it's just one call. He's saying they're lying and they're covering it up. But why would the police do this? The police suspected Sheila for ages. They built an entire case around it. They got an inquest that said that this was murder-suicide. Why would they

then make a U-turn, say it was Jeremy, and then cover it up? It doesn't make any sense. But Jeremy Bamber is still in prison today, very busy trying to undermine the case against him. We'll, of course, see if anything comes of this challenge that he is launching because, like we said, he only launched it or only put it forward a few weeks ago,

so we'll keep you guys updated on what happens. But Essex police have made no comment on these claims except to say that, quote, Jeremy Bamber's conviction has been the subject of several appeals and reviews by the Criminal Cases Reviews Commission. And there has never been anything to suggest that he was wrongly convicted.

It's so funny, isn't it? That like the second time we've come around and had a look at this with so much more evidence, I still think the same thing. Oh, percent this is what I say is like they botched it they botched the investigation but they got the right man in my opinion but we're not here to put words in your mouth or thoughts in your ears so we'll leave you with few things to think about there are holes or issues with the case but however you cut it that's just because the police at times handled this case quite poorly

but what we do know is that the killer had to be Jeremy or Sheila. Jeremy made sure of that by claiming to have received the call from Neville. If Jeremy really got that call from Neville like he claimed then it was Sheila but if not he's lying and there's only one reason that he would lie and that reason is of course that he did it. By claiming to have received that call, a call that can be seriously disputed given the gunshots that Neville had suffered, Jeremy made it so the killer couldn't have been anyone else. He removed the possibility that it could have been an external intruder. But we will leave you to decide what you think. Just like ITV's upcoming White House Farm Murder six-part series does. The first episode is out this Wednesday, the 8th of January,

on ITV at 9 o'clock. And of course, it will be on ITV Hub to binge afterwards from the 9th of January. And we've had the pleasure of watching it all. It was brilliant. And actually, what I really liked about it was, apart from the gripping story and the fantastic acting, it's really beautifully shot in this really sort of haunting way and it really fits

the horrors of this sinister family drama and I think the thing with this is like so many cases we're drawn to as listeners and as podcasters it's a riddle with a family at the heart of it and honestly I have to say full credit to the team that put this ITV White House farm murders drama together because they never forget that. It's made with real empathy towards the victims and towards the survivors. And it's been so well researched. We can absolutely vouch for this given the meeting that we had with the researchers and the fact that they showed us everything that they managed to dig up. And they had unprecedented input, like we said, from the likes of Colin Caffell. And like we said, he's never collaborated with anybody else.

So that is absolutely valuable insight that they were able to get. So kudos to them. And often with cases like this, I always think, what would it have been like to be like a fly on the wall leading up to the killings or leading up to whatever happens? It would be so interesting to see the family dynamics. And I think watching this series, that's exactly how I felt. So give it a watch.

I promise you guys, you will not be disappointed. I think the two main, well, I guess they're not. Freddie Fox is definitely the main lead. He plays Jeremy Bamber. He looks remarkably like Jeremy Bamber as well, I think. He really does. And I think he does such a good job of playing Jeremy. By the end of it, I wanted to punch him in the face.

Like, he does such a good job. And also Cressida Bonas, who maybe most of you know, is a pre-Meghan Markle Prince Harry's ex. So she plays Sheila. And apparently she's really nice. My friend choreographed a show that she was in. Oh, she seems very nice. And she does a very, very good job of playing a falling apart Sheila scarily convincingly.

And I was like in the depths of the flu when I was watching this. And watching Sheila look so ill was just making me feel so uncomfortable. But she does such a good job. So definitely go check it out. And like we said, non-UK residents, do not worry. It will be making its way to you very very soon as it has been purchased by HBO Max and once again thank you so much to ITV for helping us with the research and sharing the evidence that they had and also sponsoring this episode and making it possible

for us to give you two delightful episodes this week oh yeah we lied the we're not doing Julia Ray Harper as a patreon I know I said that as a, well, the fact cherry said it, not me. It's a different person, obviously. Another fact check fairy times two. The fact check fairy who is not me did sort of drop in to the episode before Chris was saying that we were doing Julie Ray Harper as a patron episode. We're not because we didn't want to. I don't know why. We're just not. We're just doing it on Thursday as well. So you're getting two episodes this week. One's coming out today, this Monday, and one that's coming out on Thursday. Keep an eye out. So we'll see you on Thursday. See you on Thursday. Bye, guys. Thanks, ITV.

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