RedHanded - Episode 133 - The UK's Most Prolific Rapist: Reynhard Sinaga

Episode Date: February 6, 2020

When 18 year old, Peter, woke up in a mystery flat after a night out he was scared. It was then with horror that he realised he couldn't move his arms, and a strange man was sexually assaulting him... That man was Reynhard Sinaga; and thanks to Peter, in January 2020, Sinaga was finally convicted of 159 sexual offences, including 136 counts of rape.  For years he'd been preying on the men of Manchester, England - attacking with impunity and going totally undetected thanks in large part to his innocent looks, and the copious amounts of GHB that he plied his victims with. This week we uncover the man behind the mugshot. You can reach Greater Manchester Police via the Major Incident Public Portal - Operation Island Sources: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/reynhard-sinaga-manchester-court-trial-17557455 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/reynhard-sinaga-rapist-manchester-mother-prison-a9280221.html https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51027404 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/12/reynhard-sinaga-mother-britains-prolific-rapist-says-still-baby/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50688975 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indonesia-mayor-lgbt-police-raid-serial-rape-mohammad-idris-a9282941.html https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/25/reynhard-sinaga-may-have-been-raping-men-as-far-back-as-2005 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/dangerous-sinaga-case-fuels-lgbt-backlash-indonesia-200125232137541.html https://www.safeline.org.uk/   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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guys in Patreon land. Other than that, on with today's show. I'm Saruti. I'm Hannah. And welcome to Red Handed. Today, we're heading to Manchester in the north of England, specifically to just after midnight on the 2nd of June 2017, when an 18-year-old student, who we'll call Peter, was on a night out. That night, Peter was out with his mates, but he'd lost them all in the usual chaos of a nightclub. So Peter left the club that he was in, Factory, which I believe is like

a drum and bass kind of club, which sounds like hell these days. I think the only time I've gone out in Manchester, apart from when we did the show and we didn't really go out, I went for New Year's Eve once and I ended ended up in like a jungle club and it was madness absolute carnage Manchester is wild I actually absolutely love Manchester I think it's such a fun city but that sounds awful I hate drum and bass the only thing I can think of worse than being in a drum and bass club is being in a fucking house music club go away I think I've got I've got more time for drum and bass than I have for house but I it's not something I tend to seek out anymore it's not I have a theory that nobody actually enjoys it it's just music that you get fucked up to yeah I feel the same about house

music drum and bass I just don't believe you. Are you really just sitting around in your room listening to it, having thoughts? No. I do know people who listen to it like chilling. Well, they're just like chilling. I'm like, how are you calm? Something's wrong. Like how? It's something to do with like, there's something to do with like at the rate your heart beats.

Like that's the perfect like rhythm to get people dancing. Yeah, it's something about beats per minute and that's why it's so fast and if you've taken a lot of drugs your heart will be going a lot faster oh well no thank you but apparently for peter yes please thank you because that's where he was but like we said he'd lost his mate so he went and stood outside to get some fresh air and possibly tried to find them i just remember lots and lots of memories at uni of being in clubs with absolutely no signal just fucking lost like if you've ever been to birmingham and if any of you have ever had the displeasure of being to birmingham oceana

gate crasher those two places are like the fucking ninth circle of hell. They are hideous. Honestly, fuck me. As if you went to an Oceana at university. I was going to Oceana when I was like 17. We used to go to Birmingham Oceana every Thursday night for Vod Bull. Oh no. A night themed around vodka Red Bulls. Oh. It's gross.

And then in the Oceana, was it? Yeah, in the Oceana, there was also just a sausage cart inside the club so the entire club also just smelt like sausages well that's what you want when you're fucking off your tits a giant sausage fuck yeah i mean quite a literal sausage fest it was disgusting oh my god I literally just remembered another time I went out in Manchester. I went when I was, I think, I must have been 18. But they're like, there was a girl who was studying medicine at Manchester. And I went to stay with her for the weekend to just sort of see what uni life was like. And we went to this club called Missionary. And I can't like they didn't have the drink that I wanted to order, which was something stupid like a cheeky vimta or something.

And the barman was like, oh, no, we don't have that. But do you want a double vodka Red Bull instead? And naive 18-year-old me was like, yeah, sure, that sounds fine. And end of the night, throwing up in the toilet. Loads. That is the natural conclusion to a night that begins on a double vodka Red Bull. Because that is the worst drink. Though worse than that is what I used to do at uni, which was just go and buy the absolute cheapest bottle of white wine

that I could buy, and this is absolutely the truth, and I'm mortified, and then buy the cheapest energy drink I could buy, which was like Blue Bolt or something from the local offy, mix the two together, call it turbo wine, and drink that before I went out. Even I have never done that yeah it was a lot it was a lot it was a lot um so yes judgments insert your judgments here thank you very much uh moving on so peter is very much on a kind of double vodka ripple kind of night out he's stood outside this club,

fair to say he's pretty like not knowing what's going on. Then this mystery guy approached him and this guy was thin, slight, short, smiley, young and Asian. He asked Peter if he was all right and suggested that if he wanted to, he could come back to his flat, which was just a few minutes' walk away, and from there they could try and contact his mates. Peter accepted the stranger's offer and went with him. When they got to the flat, the mystery man offered Peter a drink, which he gratefully accepted. After that drink, Peter blacked out. In an interview that Peter gave just last week, so in January 2020, he recalled what happened next.

Sometime after passing out, he woke up disorientated. He was on the floor and he was face down on a pillow. His underwear and jeans had been pulled down and they were around his knees. The man who had approached Peter outside the club was now on top of him with his underwear down around his ankles. Peter freaked out and turned around and punched the man. And as the two men began to fight, the mystery man started screaming, accusing Peter of being an intruder.

And Peter actually said to him, mate, calm down. Then the man head-butted Peter's nose. Then the man pulled Peter over onto Peter's nose. Then the man pulled Peter over onto a mattress that was also on the floor and bit his shoulder hard. Peter was a rugby player and this man was tiny compared to him. So as his haze began to lift and the realisation hit him that he was in real trouble, Peter did what he had to do to defend himself. He hit the man several times until he eventually dropped to the floor. Peter remembers feeling scared,

saying that he knew he was probably still in Manchester, but that was about it. After the blows that Peter had delivered, the man lay on the floor not moving. Peter thought that he might have killed him. He says at this point that he didn't really know what to do. After all, he was just acting out of instinct. He said that the adrenaline pumping through his body was just pushing him to do. After all, he was just acting out of instinct. He said that the adrenaline pumping through his body was just pushing him to survive. With the man now incapacitated, a terrified Peter, who is remember just 18 years old, escaped from the flat. Once safely outside,

Peter tried to call his mum because he wanted her to come and pick him up that makes me so sad he's a fresher he's just a fresher exactly and we don't know that much information peter is what they call him in the court records you know they haven't released the information about who these um victims are rightly so obviously but um peter i just imagine him being like an 18 year old from like some really small town somewhere and he's come to manchester go to uni and then this fucking happens to him i guess he actually can't be that far away because he's calling his mom to come pick him up but anyway his mom doesn't answer the phone because it is very very early in the morning so peter calls 999 when the police came to the flat they found the badly beaten man inside.

And so, they arrested Peter. In this interview that Peter gave last week, he says, quote, I repeatedly said to the police, I think he's tried to rape me. But they didn't do any tests. And that's the one thing that I thought wasn't right at the time. And Peter's the one thing that I thought wasn't right at the time. And Peter's right here because unbelievably, he wasn't examined by doctors for another two days, despite the fact that he told the police immediately on that night that he thought he had been a victim of sexual assault. Instead, the police took Peter's fingerprints and DNA and they questioned him

like an offender, not a potential victim. And I do understand, obviously, this man who is in the flat has been quite badly beaten. He needs to be taken to hospital and he is in hospital for several days. But when an 18-year-old is telling you, an 18-year-old boy is telling you, I've been raped, I just don't think that's the natural thing that comes to mind to try and get out of having beaten somebody up. I think you probably want to just go do a physical examination. Something. You probably want to believe him.

Well, yeah. Like, if you think about even the amount of women who are too scared to say that they've been raped. Like, he's an 18-year-old kid, and I think we should clear up for international listeners. If he's 18, assuming he is at University of Manchester, he'd be in his first year. He's fresh out of school.

And it's unbelievable that the police don't do any of this. They, like I said, they just arrest Peter. The man he was accusing was still in hospital. And the police told Peter, despite everything he was saying, there wasn't much that they could do until that man woke up and was up to speaking with them and i understand this so okay you can't arrest the hospitalized man or question him yet but i don't understand what's stopping them from doing a rape kit or a physical examination on peter like if there is signs of sexual abuse or sexual assault

or rape it backs up his story. So they don't need that man to be awake to do a rape kit or a physical examination on a person who was saying, do it, like examine me. It seems weird. I just don't see what they have to lose. It's very strange. But if there weren't enough suspicions being raised at this point for the police to take action, when they were finally given the green light to interview the man in hospital, his behaviour certainly raised a few eyebrows. The man identified himself as Reynard Sinaga.

He was a student studying for a post-doctorate degree. He claimed that he was just a good Samaritan who had tried to help Peter but the teenager had gone crazy and attacked him for no reason. From hospital, Sinaga repeatedly asked officers to get his mobile phone from his flat and brought to him. Before they would give the mobile phone to him, the police asked if Sinaga could confirm the PIN number. That's like what you do when you charge your phone behind a bar and they ask you to open it so they know it's yours. Or like you've lost it and someone hands it in. So that's pretty normal. don't think that's a weird they're just checking it's his they they just want to say that yeah check it's his and they also want they also admit they want to take a look at it because there is an accusation being levied against him by another person you want to take a look at your phone but yeah he doesn't like that no he doesn't

like it at all um sinaga gives the police a series of false passcodes to his phone and then he tried to grab the phone out of the police officer's hand. Naturally, the officer at the hospital became so suspicious that he took the phone as evidence in the assault case. And when police checked the phone, they found video footage of Sinaga raping Peter. Peter had spent 11 hours in a police cell before detectives made the discovery, and there was more to discover. A lot more.

Unbelievably, another one of Sinaga's mobile phones had ended up in Peter's pocket as he fled the flat, and this one too was checked by police. Across the two phones, the police found over 800 videos of Sanaga raping or sexually assaulting different unconscious men. The police could see that the victims in the videos were usually snoring loudly, so it's clear that they weren't awake. And in most videos, the men were often raped repeatedly over several hours. How much memory has he got on these phones, man? I was thinking the exact same thing. I was like, what sort of insane phone package have you got that you can hold fucking hundreds and hundreds of hours of rape footage on there?

You monster. Yeah, that's crazy. Like, what's the phone rape package? Like, it seems outrageous to have that many hours of videos on your phone. Or maybe it's all on the cloud. I don't know. Maybe it's all up there on the cloud. Maybe he's paying Apple the big bucks to keep it on the cloud.

I mean, I reckon if you're going to do this, you're going to put some money aside to really invest in storage. And clearly that's what he's done. So in some of the videos that the police found they saw sanaga was forcibly holding the men down and although these men were unconscious they were clearly very distressed and some were making feeble attempts to push him away they're so drugged up it's like they can't stop him but you can just see them sort of writhing around trying to get this man off them. It just makes my stomach turn.

And in some of the videos, the victims are even seen vomiting while being attacked. But it doesn't seem to stop Sanaga continuing the rapes. After seeing the evidence on these two phones, the police went to Sanaga's flat, and there they found so much more. According to detectives, they found 3.29 terabytes of extremely graphic material. That's a fucking lot. to you it's apparently the equivalent of 250 dvds or 300 000 photos all depicting sexual assault a laptop with one terabyte of memory is going to set you back like a grand okay good so yeah he's got three and a third of those knocking about and what's horrifying is the not just what's obviously

happened these assaults many of these assaults last for hours. One of the assaults in the video went on for eight hours. Little did anyone realise when they had arrested Sanaga that this was about to become the largest rape investigation in UK history. And Reynard Sanaga, who was sentenced almost exactly a month ago on the 6th of January 2020, was about to become most certainly the most prolific rapist in the UK. According to the Crown

Prosecution Service's Ian Rushton, he is probably also the most prolific known rapist anywhere in the world. Certainly the worst to have ever gone through any courts. And maybe you're wondering, just how many offences does one have to commit to be considered potentially the worst rapist ever? Well, after digging through all the hours and hours of footage they found, police believe that Reynard Sanaga has at least 190 victims. And despite the original major fuck- up that the police made and not listening to peter when he told them that he had actually been raped aside from that the police do

a pretty cracking job with this particularly when it came to identifying and finding sinaga's many victims sinaga had stolen things from the men he had raped. Le classique small trophies like ID cards, mobile phones, watches, wallets. And Sinaga had also taken victims' names so he could stalk them on social media after their attacks. That's like when you match with someone on Hinge and then you immediately get their surname and you're like, oh, typey-dee-type, type, type, finding out who you are. It's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. Yeah, I was going to say, if it's the same thing for you, let's have a talk. Not in under the duvet after under the duvet let's have a chat yeah let's have a chat in the police station you fucking psycho so he stalks them on social media and that has to be this like

sort of control slash curiosity thing like he's keeping a record obviously he doesn't get caught for a long time for a lot of reasons that we'll go into. But like, he is not trying that hard to hide what he's done. No, he's attacking with absolute impunity. The fact that he takes their names, saves their names on his computer. Yeah, absolutely. I think a sixth sense of control that he wants. But I also just thought, actually, as you were saying that, maybe it's also because he wants to see if and how their lives fall apart or don't after the attacks, I wonder.

Ooh, maybe. Or is it just like, look at all of these massive straight men I've violated and they don't know? Of course, it's ultimate. It's like game hunting. He might as well be mounting them on the wall like taxidermy fish, you know. This is his hunt. Yeah, totally. And also, once he's been discovered it

really is a like this is how you catch me out kit oh and if that's not enough he'd also download pictures from these men's social media accounts and he'd save them on his laptop which as terrifying as it sounds massively helped the police identify many of the victims when they didn't have this kind of information available for a victim that they could see in a video, detectives used facial recognition technology. Using these methods and the clues in Sanaga's flat, police found more than a hundred of the men who had been assaulted. And when they had a positive ID, the police then had the devastating task of reaching out to that man to inform him that he had been the victim of rape.

Given the drink and drugs and often lack of physical injuries involved with Sanaga's attacks, almost all of the men who were raped had no idea that they had been victimised in that manner. When police scheduled visits with the men to break the news to them, a crisis worker from St Mary's Sexual Assault Referral Centre in Manchester always accompanied the officers. I just can't even fathom the challenges that they face in coming to terms with being a victim of rape that they don't even remember. That's horrifying. It truly is. It's the ultimate loss of control.

It's the ultimate violation. I don't know, where do you even go with that? I just don't even know. And Dr. Sam Warner, who is the author of a report that was compiled about the psychological impact on Sanaga's victims, wrote exactly what we're saying, that a loss of power coupled with an absence of memory can, of course, be extremely frightening, disturbing, and upsetting, because that goes to the very heart of how you make sense of yourself, how you understand your experiences. Like as human beings, we need to unpack a memory,

unpack an experience, take it apart, reflect on it. How do you come to terms with moving on from something when you can't remember it, but you know it happened. And Sam Warner also explains in this report that even if the men don't remember the rape or have flashbacks to the incident, they will have flashbacks to being told that they were raped, because it was at that point, however sensitively it was broken to them, that they suddenly became a rape victim.

Unsurprisingly, many of Sanaga's victims are struggling severely with their mental health today, so severely that it has led many of them to become suicidal or completely unable to function in everyday life. So, who is this man, Reynard Sanaga, who has caused such widespread misery? Well, by the time police caught up with him in 2017, Sanaga was a popular 36-year-old postdoctoral student. But to truly understand this question, we need to head to Indonesia, where Sanaga is originally from. And all of this, like, honestly, just makes me so sad for Indonesia because we had to sign to sign up not had to i make it sound like i was forced to we signed up to jakarta post to get access to a lot of the articles on

sanaga that are you know not written by western journalists basically who can give a bit more insight into the impact it's had back in indonesia and um yeah it's just it's a shame a lot of the articles sort of are headed up by this idea that ind feels shamed on a public stage. They take so much responsibility. They feel really ashamed of what this man has gone out into another country and done. And I wonder if that's a little bit of like Asian collectivism, because like, if a British person did something somewhere, I'd be like, but I wouldn't feel like it weighed upon the nation to take responsibility for that person and what they had done no but it's like the um the guy we did in Crete car chronicles yeah the whole of Crete felt completely responsible for that and embarrassed and

and I think but I think that was slightly different because Crete just has an incredibly low crime rate and I don't think that we can say the same for Indonesia I don't think we can say the same for Indonesia and I was also going to say oh and also Crete obviously um depends a lot on tourism but I think so does Indonesia potentially yeah I went to Indonesia spent six fantastic weeks there I know there are problems in the country like there aren't any but I loved it I only met super friendly people and just had a fucking great time love your tempeh love your sambal love what you're doing with your dragons it was great did you see any orangutans I did I went to um North Sumatra I love them they're my

favorite do you know what it is about orangutans though when I see an orangutan I can't look at it its face makes me feel guilty for being a human being. Its face makes me feel sad about who I am. And I'm not even that bad a person and I feel sad. I feel judged. So they are quite an evocative animal in terms of triggering a lot of guilt for me that's there. But I did see them. I saw a mom and a baby in like the jungle, like in the wild. And I saw a giant male that they said was probably about 80 years old he was fucking massive at one point he just got onto the trail we were on and even our guide looked a bit scared that he was doing something he shouldn't have been I also saw the dragons went to Komodo that was absolutely fucking terrifying spent four

days on a boat in the cheap seats, the cheap seats being wet mattresses on the roof of a boat, to get there. Get there, and the guy's like, you can't wear red on the island. It looks like Jurassic Park as well when you get there. And he's like, you can't wear red on the island because it basically causes the dragons to start wanting to attack you. And also, if you've got any big open wounds, can't go on the island. And also, menstruating women got to stay on the boat. I was like, fuck you. Oh, good job they fucking told you before you got there.

Jesus Christ. I was like, fuck off. I just spent four days on a fucking boat. I'm seeing some dragons. So I just went, just went wearing a red top and menstruating onto this island they didn't care they didn't care they were fine one of my mates is in Indonesia at the moment and uh he put um he's quite old so he still does Facebook statuses um and he did like a Facebook status it's like right I'm turning my phone off uh I'm just gonna go into the middle of the jungle

if I don't see any orangutans I'm gonna kick the fuck off and then so like see you in it see you in two weeks basically and then six hours later another Facebook update from Steve there's wi-fi in the fucking jungle what kind of joke is this honestly I think it depends on where you are we went to a place called Bukit Lawang and there was pretty much wi-fi in the jungle and there was also just fucking wild orangutans um but also i'd say indonesia was the place in the lead up to seeing the orangutans where i did my longest ever stint in life uh consecutively without sleeping oh yeah i fucking lost my mind it was insanity i went four days three nights without sleeping and i thought thought, this is it. This is how you die. You're dead now. Imagine me, the most drunk you can imagine me, but then put me in the

middle of the day in a foreign airport where I don't speak the language and no one thinks it's funny or understands what's going on. It was so upsetting. upsetting but anyway do you remember when we were in um havana airport i literally remembered this the other day and they had one of those um high-pitched beeping noises to keep the insects away and like only some people can hear it but i can hear it and i can hear it really clearly and it was hell it was every minute it would just make this beep and we were there for hours it was awful and it wasn't even fucking keeping the mosquitoes away that was what's even worse no it was horrific it was literally like water torture it was absolutely appalling the worst it was the absolute worst and

we were just trying to spot like who else could hear it we were like sitting there like that kid could definitely hear it we've still got good hearing we've still got a good range so that's good so no what I would say is love Indonesia go to Indonesia if you go to Indonesia don't do what I did which was I actually missed my flight back to the UK from Jakarta airport by a whole 24 hours yeah so that wasn't great I was on my way to the airport uh like, yeah, my parents called me and they're like, yay, darling, we're on the way to the airport to pick you up. And I was like, sorry, what? And for a second, I was now a 36-year-old student living it up in Manchester. If we go back to Indonesia to look at who he was, though, Reynard Sanaga was one of four children born into a wealthy Indonesian family in Dipok, which is a city near the capital Jakarta.

His father was a banker and also a big-time businessman in the palm oil industry boo the reason i feel sad when i look at orangutans yeah do you know what's got palm oil in them terry's chocolate oranges and nutella nutella's the best no really fuck i think it's just palm oil and chocolate uh i just try to boycott nestle anyway god and i think that this is a really important point that he comes from such a well-off family, because I think we talk a lot about sort of privilege here. If you are wealthy in an Asian country, believe me, the privilege is exactly the same as it would be if you were like a rich white man in the West. Like, he would have thought he was un-fucking- touchable. And this would have probably been sort of drilled into him from a very young age. He definitely would have bathed in that idea for a long time.

And his family was so rich that Reynard Sanaga never really had to work. So he just became a perpetual student. He got his first degree in architecture at the University of Indonesia. Then he moved to the UK in 2007 to study urban planning at the University of Manchester. He went on to do two more degrees at the university. Fucking hell, that's just like nine years, like almost a decade he just spends there being like, I'm just going to do degree after degree. That sounds horrible.

It sounds awful. I fucking hate that. You couldn't pay me to go back to university now. But you know, he is very much like arrested in that space because he is just doing whatever the hell he wants, as we will go on to find out. I feel like I'd be able to write a much better dissertation now, though, after the fucking pages we write every week. I think I'd be able to just knock it out in my sleep now here you go it's even ring bound so after these three degrees sanaga decided that he wanted to now do a phd so he set sail on the route to a doctorate in human geography what is human geography is it like people's migration and stuff it's kind of like it's the urban planning type of um geography so like my ex-boyfriend had degrees in urban planning but like they're technically geography degrees because it's more to do with people and

cities and populations and rather than like seismic earth activity got it interesting so yeah that's what he was um doing his doctorate in and he was doing it at the university of leeds but sinaga really wasn't keen to leave leave Manchester he'd been there for years by this point so he stayed and he would just travel up to Leeds as and when he needed to if he's a PhD student he's leading tutorials and shit for first year that's what I thought that's like part of the deal no yeah I think you have to do like some TA work for sure but maybe Reynard Sinaga did not have to because his lifestyle was financed entirely by his rich family but for fun he seems to have worked in a few of the gay bars in and around

manchester of which there are many and they're really good fun he also claims to have worked at both manchester football clubs united and city but manchester united have said that they have absolutely no record of him working at their football club, which seems like a bizarre thing for Tanaga to lie about. But also, I feel like Man United would be like, nope, nothing to do with us. Definitely not. Definitely not. I definitely haven't shredded his time sheets. Like, I just don't think I'm not sure how significant of a lie that would be for Man United.

For international listeners who don't know anything about football, I refuse to call it soccer. I'm sorry. Manchester City and Manchester United are two very big Premier League football teams, both from Manchester. So, back to Senaga. Just stop talking about football, Hannah. But it's the Euros in June.

Woo! Fucking love international football, man. Oh, yeah. Even I'll watch international football. Love it. But do you know who we're playing first? Do you know who we're playing in the first round? Who are we playing?

Fucking Croatia. Oh, no. Who beat us in the World beat us in the world cup no oh no and they're really good yes they're very very good but it's okay it's only it's group stage it's just points it's not knockout so we might be okay where is it happening where are the euros oh all over some of them are at wembley some of them are in different places where are they? yeah my housemate has got tickets to a game at Wembley because you have to

it's like a lottery that you have to sign up to get tickets and he has to go to a wedding so he can't use them and they're like they're really funny about you have to scan your passport

it has to be in your name blah blah blah so we're like we keep dropping hints though we're like so Matt when's that wedding? and like

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showed Sinaga in a hyper-managed way. He portrayed himself as a happy, fresh-faced, fun, energetic student. He looks way way way younger than he is i would believe you if you told me he was 19 and just some sort of like super mega genius be like oh like this is just a 19 year old reyna sunaga he's a super mega genius and he's doing his phd here honestly he's 36 he really really could be 19 it's uh it's really bizarre i'm jealous i'm terrible at aging people i'm also terrible. I'm terrible at aging people. Me too.

I'm also terrible at aging people. Terrible. I'm terrible at aging people, hiding people. I'd just be a terrible witness. I don't know. Hiding people. We were in a meeting this other day

and the guy was like, you both look really young. And we told him how old we are. And he was like, oh, not that young. And I was like, fuck you, Mike. Jesus.

And I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey hey i'm in the prime of life whatever perception is everything sorry right apparently renan sunaga just behaved in this way that was very very young as well apparently his nickname with his friends was posh spice um that might have had more to do with his money or maybe i don't know and he just seemed very happy and upbeat. And importantly, and this is what he builds his whole vibe around, totally non-threatening. And from the outside, why wouldn't Reynard Sanaga be happy? He was basically living the student dream.

He spent most of his time socialising, going out, partying. But he was also a regular at a local church. And I think this was to add to his persona. He was just this happy-go-lucky, God-fearing academic, just doing some human geography and also loving Jesus. He lived in a flat in Montana House on Princess Street. That was, again, obviously bankrolled by his dad. And the location of his flat on Princess Street in Manchester is very important to our story. It's the street that basically borders the city's main hotspots and nightlife.

It stretches across Chinatown, the gay village and all the main clubs. And it's right next to two of the city's unis, so it's prime location for parties. And it's no accident that this is where Sanaga had chosen to live since 2011. Because by day, he was fun, friendly, popular. But by night, he was a serial rapist. And it was from this flat that every night for years, Sanago went hunting for victims. And he had a very specific MO. He'd go and hang around outside nightclubs and wait for drunk men,

lurking like a true predator. He would pick his victims and lure them back to his flat, which was just a few minutes away from popular nightclubs Factory and Fifth. When I first read that, I thought it was called Filth. And I was like, that's a pretty good name for a nightclub. Would I go there? Probably not. But it's pretty good. And he would approach the men that he would see and say, come to mine, have a tea, charge your phone, call a taxi. In one case, he's seen on CCTV leaving his flat and returning with a man in just 60 seconds. That is unbelievable. He leaves, he's back in 60 seconds at his fucking front door with a man. And when these men were back at his flat, he'd give them a drink spiked with GHB.

We've spoken about GHB before when we did the Stephen Port case. It's basically the date rape drug. But people do take it as a party drug too. Like you just have to be very careful. I'm not encouraging GHB, absolutely not. But if you are taking it on like a night out as like a party drug, I have heard that it like it reacts incredibly badly with alcohol so if you are taking it people put it in their drinks because you can't

smell it like i've seen people walking around with like pipettes of it and just putting it in their drink but like it's like a two drink fucking maximum i've seen it really fuck people up and so obviously after these men were given these drinks laced with it it would be the last thing that they would remember because memory loss is a huge side effect of GHB. Then Sanaga would rape the men on this disgusting, grubby mattress on the floor of his flat. Afterwards, the men would wake up with absolutely no memory of what had happened. They'd be confused, but they would always leave. Sanaga would also often text his friends after these rapes, boasting about his sexual conquests. In one particularly grim text exchange, he says,

quote, His friend replied, quote, Now this friend that Reynard Sanaga was texting did not know what Sanaga really meant. His friend replied, quote, take a sip of my secret poison, I'll make you fall in love. Now this friend that Reynard Sanaga was texting did not know what Sanaga really meant. They think that he's just quoting the lyrics to Little Mix's song Black Magic and that they're just joining in. And why wouldn't they?

Because Sanaga followed up with the next line of the song, one drop should be enough. Given the context that we now all know it to have, this exchange has a very dark meaning to it indeed. And I guess we could say, thankfully for Peter, the teenager who woke up mid-attack, one drop wasn't enough. Because if it had been, Reynard Sanaga would still be out there. And as we were saying before we took a brief detour into Sanaga's life, accompanied by Hannah's football rants, the police tracked down a hundred of Sanaga's victims.

The men were mainly in their late teens or early twenties. 26 of them were in fact students, and almost all of them were heterosexual. Ian Rushton from the CPS said that he thought Sanaga took particular pleasure in preying on heterosexual men. Of course, many of those that the police broke the horrific news to did not want to go through the court process or testify at trial, but 48 of his victims did appear in court to testify against him. I was surprised it was so many. That's almost half of the men that they've identified. Maybe there's something about a feeling of safety in numbers sounds awful. But like if the police are telling them how many other people this has happened to, maybe there's something about feeling not on their own.

And they're like, oh, well, if these people are doing it, I should too. Let's stop it. I think you're right. And I also wonder if it's almost because they can't remember because so much control was ripped from them in what happened and the fact that they can't remember that this is the only way they can get any control back is to go there and to testify but yeah I was I was pleasantly surprised if that's even the right adjective, that almost half of the men decided to go testify. And Reynard Sinaga had so many offences, he had so many victims, that he had to have four separate trials spanning one and a half long years. But you're all probably surprised that this even went to trial, as there is just so much evidence. But despite all of the evidence, Sinaga pleaded not guilty to all 159 charges. There was no way out for him. He could have spared those 48 men from having to relive their assaults in court by pleading guilty.

But instead, he chose to force yet more trauma on his victims. And during the trials, Sinaga showed absolutely no remorse. I actually think he enjoyed it. I think he enjoyed hearing his victims tell their stories. And he enjoyed hearing about the pain that he had caused. The four trials ran totally separately to each other. The jurors at each were told nothing of the charges that he was facing at any of the other trials. And the media were completely banned from reporting on anything. And I think that explains why this story really fell off the radar until earlier this month in January 2020, because it happened in 2017, you know, he's caught. But I don't remember hearing anything about it at all.

No, until literally a few weeks ago, I had no information on this at all. And it's because there was a total press ban because of how many trials there were and they couldn't leak the information from one trial that would then influence potentially the next. And at the trial, the judge asked the defense team again and again whether any of the evidence could be agreed, specifically referring to the rape videos. Basically, if they had said that some of this evidence could be

agreed, it would have meant that they could spare the jurors from having to watch every video. But again, Sanaga would not agree. He insisted that each victim was conscious and consenting and that his videos had to be played to show that the prosecution's claims that he had drugged and raped these men was a total lie. How he thought those videos were going to convince anyone of that is absolutely beyond me. But Sanaga took the stand and gave evidence in the first and fourth trials only. And he gave what the judge called a ludicrous defense. Or should we say a series of ludicrous defenses. Because Sanaga changed his story multiple times during the trial.

His first explanation was that the victims weren't unconscious, and that it wasn't snoring that the jurors could hear. It was just breathing sounds. His second story was that of role play. He claimed that each victim was just living out a sexual fantasy of being penetrated while being filmed and pretending to be asleep when this was put to a victim at trial he said it was absolutely farcical it is absolutely farcical like that's a very specific sexual niche surely

you're not just finding 190 people on the streets of Manchester who have that very specific kink. Like, fucking bullshit. It's ludicrous. It's ludicrous. Just fuck off. That's all I have to say on the matter. Fuck you, sir. Despite the fact that the trials were generally going pretty badly for Sanaga, he came across like he was having fun.

He's always smiling, laughing and looking pretty upbeat generally. And in the witness box, he came across as full of himself and incredibly self-centered. He told Jorah's quote, I make myself available all the time. I think I look like a lady boy. And it seems very popular amongst curious men who are looking for gay experience. Again and again, he tries to go in with this claim that all of these rapes had been consensual sexual experiences and the only thing the defense really had to try and back Sinaga's claims was the fact that no trace of the drug GHB or any drug for that matter was found in

his flat. Also since the police hadn't tested Peter quickly enough no GHB was found in his system either but really the very clear symptoms of being exhibited by the hundreds of men in the hundreds of videos that the prosecution had were all pretty consistent with GHB intoxication. And so were the descriptions that the 48 men who testified gave of the clear liquid shots that they were given by Sinaga shortly before blacking out. The only reason I can think for why there's no ghb in his flat is yes peter beats him up and he is injured badly but he escapes i think at that point sinaga knows shit he may go and tell somebody so how hard would

it have been to just flush it and then just wait at the flat looking oh totally until the police come and in terms of like i'm pretty sure i'm terms of, like, I'm pretty sure, I'm not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure that GHB, you have to test for it incredibly quickly. I think it goes out of your system pretty fast. Exactly. And for at least two days, they don't even test PETA. I just think that doesn't prove anything. But at the trial, man after man took the stand

and told remarkably similar stories. One man described being approached by a young Asian gentleman. He said he had a vague recollection of explaining that his phone was dead and that he was trying to get a taxi, but the taxis were just passing him by. The man said, quote, I think I can recall a conversation along the lines of, would you like to come inside and charge your phone and have a quick chat? He told the court that Sanaga didn't seem like an imposing character. And when they were talking in his flat, he appeared to be an honest person. The man went on to tell the court that

soon after being offered a drink, he couldn't remember a single thing until the next morning, when he woke up confused and disoriented in Sanaga's flat, and then he made a hasty exit. Like almost every other victim, he had no idea that he had been raped until he was told so by the police. Another victim remembered his friends actually putting him in the taxi outside a nightclub, but then his next memory was waking up in a flat he didn't know with a stranger looking at him. And that stranger was, of course, Sanaga.

And when the man asked him what had happened, Sanaga told him that he'd found him lying in the street, so he'd brought him into his home to help. Another victim, who was just a teenager, managed to get Sanaga's mobile number after waking up in the flat because he was worried that something of his might have been stolen. When he later rang Sanaga to ask him what had happened the night before, Sanaga just described himself again as a good Samaritan

who had found the teenager unconscious on the pavement and taken him into his home to help. With so many victims, the testimony was relentless. The victims took the stand and told the court how they had regained consciousness in the flat and felt very, very unwell. They spoke of their fear when waking up in a strange place naked and covered in vomit. I don't know whether I'm just getting gradually more anxious because I keep stuffing true crime in my stupid face, but like, not the amount of times, but like like we've all gone out and got drunk and like not really sure how we got home it's so scary it really is and I think obviously one of the key reasons we wanted to cover this it's a big UK case

it is absolutely horrific and we only just have the information now so we can cover it but also just the fact that we Hannah and I were at lunch the other day with our mutual male friend. And he was describing, unprompted, not talking about this story, describing what can only be described as a sexual assault on the tube. But he was describing it in a way that at the end he was like, and then I went home and I was like, why was that man trying to fight me? We're like, that man wasn't fucking trying to fight you. He was trying to sexually assault you. He was touching you up. And this is the thing, I think, with young men.

In society, we don't tell them, oh, watch out for rapists. So these men had no fear of this man. Firstly, he is very unassuming. He's very unthreatening. But I think, therefore, they look at him and think, well, I could take him. So, therefore, I'm not in an immediate physical danger. And their minds wouldn't go to the place of more friendly. People will talk to you in the street. Like people will stop and genuinely try and help you.

Obviously, I'm talking as a woman, so it's different. But if someone was like, hey, do you want to come and charge your phone in my house in London? I would run as fast as I could. But I think in Manchester, in the North of England, people are just a bit nicer and a bit more trusting, maybe. I definitely agree with you that I think people are absolutely much nicer the minute you leave London and the minute you leave the south in fact I would say but what I would say that even then I don't think a woman

in Manchester would still go with this guy you know it's it's because these men are like there's no risk of harm to me and this is not victim victim blaming. Oh, my God, I'm not like, they just didn't even see it coming. I'm saying, why would they? Because this is so not something that is front of mind for people in our society, that this is something we need to worry about. It's, can this guy do me physical harm? Can he fight me? Is he going to hurt me?

No, he's tiny. Let's go. It's fine. And I just think it's so, so tragic. That's why. And that's how this man was able to groom and rape over 190 men. And that's that fact that he was able to bring a man back to his in 60 seconds flat. I mean, it's shocking. And one man testified at trial that he remembered being at the flat and being told that he could sleep on the floor for the night as he'd lost his mates.

He recounted waking up twice in the night, on one occasion to be sick, and on the other occasion, he was aware that he couldn't move his arms, but he could feel himself being penetrated. But before he could do anything, he felt himself lose consciousness again. He was one of the few men who briefly remembered the incident, but he never reported anything to the police. It was only when they approached him did he tell anyone what had happened. Prosecutors also told the court about how callous Sanaga had been in the wake of his assaults, how he had told his none the w-wiser friends about some of the rapes,

speaking of them as if they were consensual sexual conquests. The court heard how in messages about one of the victims, who testified in court, Sanaga had boasted to his friends. The attack had occurred on New Year's Eve 2014, and he wrote, I didn't get my New Year year kiss but i've had my first sex in 2015 already the man was straight in 2014 but 2015 and is his breakthrough to the gay world ha ha ha oh i hate it exactly and anyone who was like he was just going after maybe what was available not necessarily pursuing heterosexual men.

He clearly is. He is the ultimate predator in the sense that, like he's, like I said, like big game hunting. He's like, what's going to be the hardest target? I'm going to pick an 18-year-old massive rugby player, and I'm going to take so much pleasure in dominating him. After the litany of evidence dragged up against Sinaga, he was finally found guilty of assaulting 48 men. He was convicted of 159 offences, including 136 counts of rape, 14 counts of sexual assault, eight counts of attempted rape, and one count of assault by penetration. And we weren't sure what the difference was between rape and assault by penetration um so we had a look and according to thames valley police rape is when someone

penetrates another's vagina anus or mouth with their penis without that person's consent assault by penetration is when someone penetrates another's vagina or anus with a body part other than a penis or with an object. So happy Thursday. After the four gruelling trials and the inevitable guilty verdict, on the 6th of January 2020, it was time for sentencing. Some of Sanaga's victims chose to share the impact that his assaults had on them. One man said, quote, his actions were disgusting, unforgivable. He has massively abused my trust in humanity. Another, who was just a teenager, stated, quote, his actions were disgusting, unforgivable. He has massively abused my trust in humanity. Another, who was just a teenager, stated, quote, I want Sinaga to spend the rest of his life in prison,

not only for what he has done to me, but for what he has done to the other lads and the misery and stress he has caused them. A young man clearly still reeling from what had happened told the court, I remember the day the police contacted me. It is the day I will never forget because it changed my life forever. I wish the worst for him. I want him to feel the pain and suffering I have felt. He has destroyed a part of my life. After all this, Reynard Sanaga was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 30 years for 136 counts of rape.

There was an immediate shock around this. I think people were expecting, or at least hoping, for a whole-of-life sentence. But the judge, Suzanne Goddard QC, said that she considered whether she had the authority to pass that kind of sentence. She said in a statement to Sunaga, quote, The sole feature that would allow the court to contemplate the passing of a whole-life order She said in a statement to Sanaga, This is, in my view, a borderline case, as described in the authorities. And as such, I must therefore shrink back from passing a whole life

order. In my judgment, you are a highly dangerous, cunning, and deceitful individual, who will never be safe to be released. But that is a matter for the parole board. However, this sentence didn't seem to sit right with most. So, Sanaga's case was referred to the Attorney General by the CPS. And on the 16th of January 2020, it was passed on by the Attorney General Jeffrey Cox QC to the Court of Appeal under the Unduly Lenient Sentence Scheme. Jeffrey Cox has stated that he believes Sanaga should face a whole life order, meaning that he will never be released from prison. Appeal court judges will now decide Sanaga's fate, and the decision is due on the 3rd of February 2020. And we will, of course, keep you updated when that comes out. So what about Sanaga's past? How long had he really

been offending? He had been in that flat for seven years. But despite all of their digging, and ours, the police were only able to find and connect one previous report linked in any way to Sanaga prior to his arrest. It was from April 2017. A man had gone back to a flat with an Asian male. He woke up feeling very unwell and disorientated, so he quickly left. But later that day, he started having memories resurfacing, and he began to have flashbacks of being sexually assaulted two days later he called the police but when he arrived on princess street with police he couldn't remember which flat or property it was that he'd been attacked in

police tried looking at nearby hotels and flats but the search was fruitless. There are certainly more victims. The police were only able to identify around 100 of the 190 plus potential victims suggested by the trophies and videos at Sinagas flat. Police suspect he may have been raping men from as far back as 2005. I'm guessing now that the question on all of your minds is, did he kill anyone? Investigators on the case have been examining potential links to missing persons or unsolved deaths, specifically those related to drug overdoses. But so far, they say that they have no evidence to suggest that Sanaga killed any of his victims. And it does seem unbelievable to me that he didn't even just accidentally kill

somebody. Most of you who have listened to Red Handed for a while, you know that we did an episode on Stephen Port, the grinder killer, who in 2015 killed three men by drugging them with GHB. Sanaga was targeting drunk men, some of whom had potentially also been taking recreational drugs on their nights out. How he knew what dose to give them of GHB and how he didn't accidentally OD anyone is bizarre it's impossible I think there's no way

like it's such a fine line with GHB like and it's like he hasn't been with these men all night he doesn't know what they've taken like you said like. Like, I just find it phenomenal. Like, I don't believe it. I don't believe that he hasn't killed at least one person. I think it's statistically, it feels crazy to think that he hasn't. But yeah, the police don't seem, or if they are investigating that line, they're not sort of making it public that they are. Apart from the immediate and obvious destructiveness of Sinaga's actions here in the UK, his heinous crimes have had even more far-reaching effects back in his home country.

His family have had to get to grips with what their son has done. For a prominent and well-to-do family like the Sanagas, that can't have been simple. But I was surprised to see that on the day of Sanaga's sentencing, his father, Saibon Sinaga, told the BBC that his son got what he deserved. And he said, this is a direct quote, We accept the verdict. His punishment fits his crimes. I don't want to discuss the case any further. His mother, Norma Watisalin, has been less quick to step away from her son. She told the Sunday Times that she wondered if Sinaga's final victim, Peter, had just made the story up. She asked how a man as big as Peter was could have been overpowered by her son.

And I think we all know the answer to that is drugs. A lot of drugs, you silly lady. She also told the press that she was not aware that her son was gay, saying, quote, we are a good Christian family who do not believe in homosexuality. He is my baby. It's really tragic because the homophobic backlash as a result of Sinaga's crimes has also been a huge blow for LGBT rights in Indonesia. Media coverage there has been absolutely, almost exclusively and singularly focused entirely on his sexual orientation rather than his crimes. Conflating the two in any way is, of course, absolutely reprehensible, dangerous,

and just plain wrong and completely fucking unhelpful, even if you just want to look at it from a totally pragmatic way. Al Jazeera reported last week that the LGBT community, who have struggled for years to fight bigotry, abuse and discrimination, have seen a sharp rise in anger and violence in Indonesia since this story broke. After Sanaga's conviction in Dipok, which if you remember is Sanaga's hometown, the mayor there, Mohamed Idris, announced that he planned to order raids on the local LGBT community directly as a result of this. And, you know,

saying that, there's not the first raid in that country, a country in which, by the way, homosexuality is not illegal, except in the tribal Aceh region. But still, police working in collaboration with militant Islamists are arbitrarily conducting unlawful raids on private LGBT gatherings. Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim country and it's tragically clear that like we see time and time again, the government and religious groups are using Senaga's crimes, family values and religious dogma as a way to violate the rights of minorities. Even Bali, an island that has historically been very LGBT friendly, isn't safe. As a direct result of this case, the annual LGBT beauty pageant has been called off for 2020 after organisers in Bali received a barrage of death

threats. Today, Sinagra is sat in prison awaiting the decision by the appeals court. It's unlikely we'll ever know his true motivations as he refused to explain his crimes or take any responsibility for them or show any remorse. Safeline, a charity that supports those who have been victims of sexual abuse and rape, reported a record increase in calls to its hotline from men in the direct aftermath of this case. Duncan Craig, Safeline's founder, stated that this has started a vital national conversation regarding men opening up about sexual abuse. As we said, there are still at least 70 men who are victims of Sanaga who have still not been identified. The investigation has now, of course, been scaled back, but if you believe that you may have been a

victim, you can reach police via the major public incident portal which we'll leave a link to below you can also get hold of them by ringing 101. So yeah that is the story of Reynard Sanaga quite possibly the most prolific rapist ever most certainly as we said at the start one who has gone through any courts in any country so yeah and I just think he almost had it down to an art. He seemed to know somehow just the right amount of GHB to drug these men, just the right way to lure them back to his flat. And people just didn't even realize what was happening. I mean, he just must have thought he had the winning formula.

And if you are a giant rapist, he kind of did. Just his victim selection everything like uh it's horrific i wonder if he even went after straight men not even just because that was like his weird fetish or whatever but because they're probably less likely to tell anybody even if they do remember quite possibly and also like as we saw in the stephen port case like sort of sexual assault within the gay community can just go completely overlooked by police anyway. Yeah, I mean, just the fact that when Peter tells them that he's been raped, they're like, no, you haven't. And they don't take it seriously.

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