RedHanded - Episode 158 - Poisonous Privilege: The Murder of Emily Longley

Episode Date: July 30, 2020

In 2011, 17 year old Emily Longley was found dead in her boyfriend - Elliot Turner's parents' house. But it soon became clear that the story the entire Turner family were telling about how Emily died didn't quite add up... References   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and then a podcast about grief. Don't touch the holy water, we forgot our water guns. When I first wrote that, I went so much further. I had bits about the collection play and like gossip. And I was like, Hannah, maybe you're a little bit too hungover to be writing this right now. No one is going to find that funny. So I reeled myself in. It's just very niche jokes. It's just me sitting on my bed being like, and then I'll reread it and be like, no, no, it's not going to work. Save that for when we do take on a proper religious case, you know? Yeah, exactly. I'll just do the whole thing in the guise of a mass.

Once when I was living in Costa Rica, I asked my students, because I could listen to the radio on my phone, even though it was a piece of shit. I was like, oh, is there a radio station that is just talking that I can listen to so I can just listen to Spanish all the time? And they're like, yeah, yeah, sure. So they gave me this frequency of a local radio station. I was sitting on the bus at like five o'clock in the morning or something ridiculous

because I had to get to the other side of the city to teach a business class at like the crack of dawn and I was sitting there listening to this Spanish radio station and I was sitting on the bus and I was like hold on a minute I know what this is this is mass they tricked you yeah exactly it tricked you into listening to God yeah I was like I have heard this more times in my life than I've probably eaten a banana. I don't need to listen to this again. That's so funny. But isn't that how you learn languages? When you already understand generally what the context is of what's being said,

because you've heard it in English and then you listen to it in another language? I mean, possibly, but it was in Latin, so. Can't have a conversation in Spanish, but I can give you mass in Latin. There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's why they used to do mass in Latin, to stop the poor people understanding and just control them. Anyway, not really sure why we've got into this sort of in a religious way, because this episode actually has absolutely nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with privilege. There are also a lot of similarities between today's case and that of the murder of Grace Mullane that we covered a little while ago. If you haven't listened to that one, go back and give it an earhole.

Although today's case is not strictly an example of the rough sex defence, it is certainly domestic violence. We have to start with the Longley family. British parents Caroline and Mark Longley emigrated from the UK to New Zealand. They had two daughters, Emily and Hannah. Emily was the eldest and she was nine when they made the move. Caroline and Mark ended up separating when Emily was in her teens and this sent her on a classic path to rebellion.

Emily started to fall behind in school. She lied to her parents about where she was. She was hanging out with people much older than her who were getting her into bars in Auckland when her parents thought she was elsewhere. Nothing too terrible. Like, that's fairly standard teen behaviour. But her parents are British. So an intervention was staged and it was decided by Emily and her parents that she would go back to the UK to focus on her studies. So in 2010, off Emily went, aged 17, to live with her grandparents in Southbourne, which is near Bournemouth, to study business at Brockenhurst College. Emily got on well at college.

She liked the UK and quickly settled in. She even got herself a job at Topshop in Bournemouth and started to make a good group of friends. After Emily had spent six months in the UK, she went back to New Zealand to visit her family. She told them all about her lovely friends, her lovely college and her lovely job at Topshop. She had even been doing a bit of modelling on the side, which everyone was really excited about. Which I think for a 17-year-old in 2010, like I thought people who worked at Topshop was so cool. I thought it was like the coolest job to have. Oh yeah as a teenager especially in that time period especially in Bournemouth I don't know what else is going on there that would

have been like the fucking best thing in the world. And Emily also told her parents and her sister that she had a boyfriend. His name was Elliot Turner and he was just a few years older than her. Immediately though Emily's dad was suspicious of this information for two reasons. Firstly, he felt that Emily was a bit too young to be in a serious relationship. And also, whenever he did ask Emily if she wanted to call her boyfriend back in the UK and speak to him, she replied that she didn't. So something didn't seem quite right. Emily told her dad that she was going to end it with this Elliot Turner character when she got back to the UK, and I think Mark was a bit relieved.

In fact, when it came time for Emily to head back to the UK, her mum Caroline remembers that she cleared out her room, tidied everything up and threw a lot of her belongings away, almost as if she knew that she wouldn't be coming back. The usually glamorous Emily didn't dress up for her return to England. And a bit of me thinks, like, who gets dressed up on a plane?

But Caroline points out this as a sign that Emily was not looking forward to going back to the UK and back to Elliot Turner. And she is Emily's mum, so she probably knows better than me. I think probably teenagers do, or would. I that you know we're fucking old and over it I'm like if I could go in my pajamas I would that would be the best possible thing your plain trousers are great

though I love my plain trousers again just more I still haven't shown the people possibly by the time this comes out the dino trousers the plane trousers are equally good but yeah you just you don't want to be doing that but i could see a teenage girl possibly still dressing up for the airplane especially if your boyfriend who's older than you is going to pick you up from the i don't know if that's the case but like if your boyfriend's picking you up from the airport and you're 17 maybe maybe or you do what i do which is get changed in the toilet that too that too that's the best way though that. That's nature's. And by nature's, I mean airline travels, natural changing rooms. I don't know. You know what I mean. And also, I think it's more that Emily's mum knows that she is the kind of teenager who would normally do that. So it just stands out

as odd behaviour that something feels very different, that she doesn't seem to be dressing herself up like she normally would. Now we have to talk about who she was going back to, Elliot Turner. We cover some absolutely abhorrent people on this show, but none of them, none of them, not the cannibals, not the pedos, no one has turned my stomach the way Elliot Turner has. And I actually have permanent stank face now because the wind changed while I was writing these notes and doing my best impression of the side eye emoji. So this is my face now forever. So we all have Elliot

Turner to thank for that. Elliot Turner is premium male privilege. Get ready to be extremely angry. We're all going to go and need to like meditate on a mountain for about three days after this. Elliot was known to his friends as All Talk Turner because he constantly made shit up and boasted about every aspect of his life. He was an ex-public schoolboy and so were all of his mates. I've seen the documentary on this case

and they are all verified members of the Red Trouser Club and look exactly how you think they do. Should we explain the Red Trouser Club? I feel like it is probably quite prevalent in other countries, particularly in the West, but should we explain what those people are? Yeah, so I think we have said on the show before, but it was probably like years ago. The Red Trouser Club is the kind of people who well they're men only men are allowed in the red trouser club men who go to henley regatta and probably play polo and are you know extremely wealthy all work in hedge funds and investment banks and stuff like that and they all talk like this yeah actually the thing is made actually uh it's a nightmare in chambers at the moment i was on london fields the other day and there was this guy sitting behind me

actually talking like his, yeah, the thing is, mate, actually like in Chambers at the moment, it is just an absolute nightmare. And I don't know what to tell her, mate. I really don't know what to tell her because she's just being an absolute bloody nightmare. And I was like,

how do you actually talk like that? But I suppose if you're a barrister, that's probably how you have to talk to get through the fucking door. I don't know. I can't cope. I don't know. I can't cope. I can't cope.

It's so funny. And yeah, the red trousers just come, like, they can be any colour trouser. Have you seen those, like, memes or photos on the internet where it's just, like, a group of, like, 20 white men wearing, like, tweedy or linen jackets, all stood in a row wearing boat shoes. But they're in like a color gradient of different color trousers as it goes. And I'm like, this is golden. This is fucking gold. And the university I went to, hi to anyone who's listening, I probably don't speak to you anymore. But everyone on my course, all of the boys on my course,

basically were part of the red trouser club. And if you think I'm posh, I'm absolutely not. We've discussed before, went to a fucking very special measures school that wasn't anything special apart from being in special measures. It was quite a shock when I went to uni. Everyone was so rich and wearing red trousers and no socks. No socks ever. Never ever socks. No, no.

They have a bit of a vendetta against the sock. I don't know what that's about. Maybe their feet are special. They're so privileged that they don't get blisters so they don't need socks. Exactly. I'm so like normal middle class. I love wearing socks. I wear socks all the time. I don't like looking at my bare feet. No, I mean, maybe they have foot servants. I don't know. So even worse than the trousers and the inevitable boat shoe accompaniment, this group of Bullingdon Club wannabes... Okay, the Bullingdon Club is a... Is it Oxford or Cambridge? I think it's Oxford. I can't remember. Which one did David Cameron go to? Because he was the one who was in the Bullingdon Club and then fucked the pig because of it. Yeah, the Bullingdon Club is a gentleman's club at either Oxford or Cambridge, I can't remember which one, probably Oxford. And all they do is put their penises inside animals'

heads and go to restaurants and destroy them. And then they burn money in front of homeless people, that's something else that they do. It's like, think American psycho, but in university, with British people wearing red trousers. And then they all go on to be Prime Minister, or at the very least, the mayor of London. Precisely. Like our entire parliamentary system is made up of people who at one point put their penis in a pig's mouth. That's what it is. So yeah, welcome to Britain. I can't explain it. You nailed it. I can't explain the Bullingdon Club any better than that. Just Google it and feast your eyes on how many fucking prime ministers are in there.

Anyway, so Turner's group of friends modelled themselves on the Bullingdon Club. And this is even worse. They called themselves The Firm. And there is something so horrific about extremely privileged, extremely wealthy people pretending to be working class people. Like there's something so gross about that. Because the firm is obviously a term used by gangsters. It's used by football hooligans. It is not a group of people who go and take cocaine in Bournemouth. Like it's just not. No, it's times like this that I do wish the podcast was video recorded because our faces are a picture right now.

And we know this story. We've read this story. We've researched this story. But still, just saying out loud the words, the firm, oh, fuck off. That is not going to be the first time that we say that this episode. So prepare yourselves. So, you know, they're nowhere near a firm. They're not the gangsters that they wish they were. The only part in organized crime that they take is buying drugs. And they bowled around Bournemouth drinking champagne, sailing boats, snorting cocaine and making sure everybody around them knew about it. You know what's really tragic is that they're not even in the fucking Bullingdon Club.

They're not even at whichever fucking Oxbridge University you need to be to be a part of that fucking shit show. They're just in Bournemouth being wankers. I hate it. I hate it so much. And I don't mean that as in just in Bournemouth to be a slight. If you're in Bournemouth, no shade. I'm just saying, they're not in fucking Oxford in the Bullingdon Club, are they? They've just made it up.

I can't cope. I'm so angry. So Elliot Turner, who's about 20 years old, would often have about 600 quid in cash on him. And he fancied himself, if you haven't guessed already, as a bit of a playboy, a gangster, a woman magnet. He was obsessed with women. And he only ever referred to them as birds or bitches. And that tells you quite a lot about what you need to know about our friend Elliot here. And as far as he was concerned, these women were always just status symbols. They were an accessory to him on his nights out.

When he took a woman out with him, he would buy himself expensive drinks, but always buy cheaper ones for his date. He would always also get himself a single, but make sure cheaper ones for his date. He would always also get himself a single, but make sure that he always got the woman a double. All, of course, with the express intention of getting them drunk, sleeping with them, and then getting even more reasons to boast around town. And although he acted as if he was some huge success, this fucking like Bullingdon Club wannabe. He also happened to live with his parents in Bournemouth's most affluent neighbourhood. So he's not like, you know, balling around on his own cash. This is very much on his parents' dime.

I think his parents may have had an apartment in Bournemouth to which he had the keys, but he didn't live there. He would just like take people back and like take drugs and have sex and like whatever but he lived with his parents in his childhood bedroom about these parents we will also go on to find out that they are extremely bad news his mama was a high-flying pharmaceutical person and her husband Lee was a jeweler and the only work that young Elliot waste of oxygen Turner, had ever done in his entire life was the odd shift in his dad's shop. But still, there's balling around with at least 600 quid in cash on him at all times. Fuck off. Yeah, the term handout doesn't really cover it. Elliot's parents supplied him with endless cash, brand new cars, credit cards, Rolexes,

and basically anything in the world that he wanted. Elliot was the boss in the Turner household and if he wanted it, it would materialise. He had never heard the word no in his life. Anita, that's Elliot's mum, absolutely worshipped him. She never stood up to him and I don't think there is any question that this led to a dangerous sense of entitlement in her son. He'd got away with everything for his entire life. Why should he stop now? Elliot Turner just kept pushing and pushing. In 2010, Elliot Turner and Emily Longley met on a night out. They got on well and pretty soon they

were officially on boyfriend-girlfriend terms. Even though Elliot insisted on wearing a tragically low scoop-neck T-shirt on every night out. I know it is 2010, but that is inexcusable. He also wears those really skinny scarves. Do you remember those? Oh. It's like peak 2010. Oh, mate. The only thing missing,

and I don't know if he does actually wear this at some point, are the little, like, leather wrist bracelets oh god yeah yeah and rosary beads rosary beads yeah rosary beads just to finish it off with spiky hair that is like not necessarily spiked up but maybe a bit emo swipe to the side with like little blonde highlights in and of course the red trousers and the boat shoes because you know you got to represent I don't think I've ever been more angered by a fad than people wearing plastic rosary beads. You're not supposed to wear them. Even Catholics don't wear them. They go on your hand. They're not necklaces. They're just in a loop. Oh, mate. It was just a part of the times,

a sign of the times. We couldn't have known that it would get so much worse. Looking back on it 2010 doesn't seem that bad. No, no, no. Take me back, if anything. Take me back. Hand me a rosary beads. I'll be off. Turner's cocaine usage made him aggressive,

jumpy and even more obnoxious than he already was. His habit got so out of hand that his parents forked out thousands to send him to the celebrity rehab centre, the Priory. If you're not in the UK, the Priory is the most famous rehab centre. If you say rehab centre, people think of the Priory. But it didn't work and no sooner had he left the holy grounds of sobriety HQ and got back to Bournemouth, Turner was right back on the sniff.

As the weeks passed, Emily and Elliot's relationship started to get not so rosy. Turner was possessive, controlling. He told Emily what to wear, who to hang out with, where she had to be, and demanded her attention at all times. He would show up unannounced when she was out with her female friends from college and sit in a sulk in the corner until she gave him all of her attention. And this wasn't the first time that Elliot had treated women like this. He had actually been served a harassment order

for a tirade of abusive texts that he sent to an ex-girlfriend in 2006, when he was just 16 years old. Two months into this relationship with Emily, Turner started to show his truly disgusting colors. Emily did a photo shoot on the 12th of March 2011, because remember, like we said, she'd started to get into a bit of modeling. And the photographer that was used included photos of her with two naked butler type men. Now, let's be clear, they're not actually fully naked. They had their pants on, but you get the idea. Like butlers in the buff. Have I told you my naked butler story?

I don't think so. Okay. So it's not what you think. So it was when I was in Switzerland. My friend who I was visiting has an incredibly attracted friend called Floris, who is a naked butler and a bodybuilder. That is his job. And he's also the nicest person that has ever existed. So he goes like, oh, who's my friend? He's like, we're going to go up to the hot springs in the mountains and Floris is going to drive us. And I was like, oh, amazing. Great. I did not compute that what that meant is that bodybuilder Floris and his fitness model girlfriend were going to come with us to the spring. And I was going to have to stand next to them in a swimming costume all day. All day.

Oh, that's like some sort of weird, sick torture that's been cooked up in fucking the Simpsons treehouse of horror. And the worst thing was they were both so nice that you couldn't even be mad about it. I'd have been mad about it inside. I'm mad about it and it didn't happen to me. Fucking hell, that's awful. Obviously, I do not speak French, but both Floris and Hugo grew up in Geneva, so they both speak fluent French.

And we're in swimming because she's going through this barrier. My car didn't work and everyone else had gone in front of me and I didn't speak French and I was stuck behind this barrier and I couldn't explain what had happened. And Floris and his girlfriend are just sort of like looking at me. And then Floris' girlfriend is like, go and help her. What is wrong with you? Oh, well, at least they were nice. They were nice. And once you were fully submerged, it was all right.

Yeah, that's the best. That's the best thing. Just the walk from the changing rooms is just the walk of shame like no other, I think. Just a swift jog into the water. Then once you submerge, we're all the same. Just bobbly heads in the Swiss Alps. Oh, God, that's tense. Yeah. Anyway, so that is my naked butler story.

That is his only job. That's all he does. I mean, you know, if you can sustain your life that way then i support that florist good for you so this photo of emily in between these two naked butlers in pants and bow ties enraged elliot and he sent the following email to emily's friend so i believe emily's friend i think she's also called emily which makes it confusing she is the contact that gets emily longley on this photo shoot so Elliot Turner looks at this girl as it her being her fault and this is what the email said quote stop trying to fuck up my

relationship with Emily and make her look like a whore do you know who I am a lad who has been arrested for everything six violent harassment charges two restraining orders deception GBH I'll fucking kill them so fuck fuck off, you C-word. Do you know who I am? Probably fucking not, mate, because you are nobody. Jesus. And also, he only had one harassment order, so it's not true. Like, he hasn't been convicted of those things.

And what the fuck is deception? Do you get charged for fucking deception? And should I be scared of you if you've got a charge for deception? You're such a fucking knobber. I hate him. I have real strong, violent hatred. One yike doesn't even really cover Elliot Turner. I think he might need at least three yikes to be awarded to him.

I agree. But actually, he'd probably lie about it and said that he was awarded one million. So after this explosion, Turner turned to smooth things over with his Emily by taking her on holiday to the Isle of Wight, which was, of course, completely bankrolled by his mum. But this trip started off OK. There were smiling pictures of the couple together. But it ended in Elliot punching a wardrobe door so hard

that it smashed and then Emily ended up having to write him this letter this letter I found particularly painful because I'm like it's so common like what she's about to say and she's 17 yeah the level of stress that this kind of abuse at such a young age, how that must imprint on a person is just so heartbreaking. So this is what Emily writes in this letter. She says, number one, I love you. Number two, don't say you'll kill me. Three, stop talking about your ex-girlfriends.

Four, stop being so constantly aggressive. Be more cool because that is so much more hot. And you make me scared because you're so intimidating. I hate that you are so aggressive. And we've seen this time and time again, the idea of the victim in the scenario pleading with the other person trying to appeal to their logic to their better sense to just say these are the things that are wrong if you just fix this then we could be really happy but Elliot Turner like so many people like him are fundamentally incapable of doing that and she doesn't realize this and that's not her fault so it was after this Isle of Wight trip wardrobe bashing incident that Emily actually left to go visit her family in New Zealand and it was in New Zealand that she went out on nights out like anyone would do if they were

visiting their hometown also I'm guessing because she was in Bournemouth being controlled by this guy who's suddenly turning up when she is on nights out there she finally has a bit of freedom in New Zealand he can't suddenly just turn up and fucking try to control her. And she's been away for six months. She's just seeing her mates, man. Exactly. And so as any teenager would do, presumably Emily took out her pink fucking Canon digital camera with her

and snapped pictures of her friends and her in clubs. And then she posted these photos on Facebook. This, of course course sent Elliot Turner all the way back in England completely up the fucking wall. So much so that he left one of his friends a voicemail essentially saying that Emily wasn't acting like she loved him at all. That she was being quote an arsehole and disrespectful. And like any piece of shit who's upset by their girlfriend leaving the house without them, Turner decided that he was going to get his own back and shag anyone he could.

And this is a direct quote from Elliot Turner. He said, Get all those fucking birds, whoever, mate. Tonight, we're getting a shitload of birds on a mad one. I should have done that more in a posh boy voice, but I failed. His voice isn't even particularly posh. I don't really know how to, I don't know. I don't think I can describe his voice without getting told off for being a misandrist, so I'm probably just going to leave it. I do have to say he is really bringing out my inner misandry though, Jesus Christ. And also, it's not just Elliot Turner that speaks like that. I've met people who speak like that and it's absolutely disgusting. Of course they do. Of

course they do. It just makes me sad that that exists, that mentality exists, that women are just these things that you can just go out and like catch like an animal. And all you need is a pair of boat shoes and some money from your mum. Turner claimed that Emily was twisting his heart by seeing other men. But I think that Turner's heart was absolutely the last thing involved here. Actually, I don't think he even has one. And if he does, it's all shriveled up and black like the Grinch. He actually makes me feel more sick than cannibalism does, which I'm not sure what that says about me. You will see it in some of the more questionably sourced sensationist

newspapers that Emily slept with one of Elliot's friends when she returned from New Zealand. I have not found any corroborating evidence to this. It's in one article. And to be honest, even if it is true, I really don't think it matters. The amount of slut-shaming in the British media is foul. And I want to make extremely clear that no matter what Emily had done, nothing that happened next was her fault. It's never expressly said in that article, but it's like, oh, she came back from New Zealand and then she went on a date with another guy and then she slept with his best friend and then she did this, this, this, this, this. The responsibility without explicitly being said seems like it's falling on her, which it absolutely is not. Yeah, I mean, I'm just shocked because I don't feel like our

listeners need us to say these things because we're all very much on the same page. But I am just so shocked that still in this day and age, when this kind of thing happens and you're about to discover what happened, that there are facets of the media that will still try to insidiously point out reasons as to why the perpetrator was justified in some sly underhanded way and it is despicable it's a dog whistle don't fall for it you guys wouldn't anyway we know that but like don't fall for it this is such a load of fucking bullshit when emily came back to the UK from New Zealand, she went to meet Turner in a bar called Bella Rosa, which was owned by one of his school friends.

Turner often referred to Bella Rosa as the firm's HQ, as if he couldn't get any more entirely pathetic. Oh my God. This boy. Just get in the bin. He is the bin. I don't know. There's something. I can't even think of what to say he is the fucking bin he's like the bin juice at the bottom of the bin on a hot day that's what he

is getting the bin juice fucking elliot him and elliot roger in the bin juice it's always an elliot isn't it yeah it is and brock turner actually he's like he's like both. Oh my God, you're right. He is where they meet in the middle. I love when you said it and then you almost put your hand to your mouth like, oh my God, I've just cracked it. You look surprised to yourself. Yeah, he is the king of the twats. So bear in mind when Emily goes to meet him at Bella Rosa,

at this stage, they haven't actually broken up. Emily went home to visit her family. Turner assumed her behavior because of some pictures on Facebook taken on a digital camera. So the couple haven't actually seen each other in almost a month. But when Emily walks into the bar, Turner waves her away. And this is all on CCTV. He just does the proper, like, turned nose, like, ugh, get away from me. For the rest of the night, Turner ignores Emily. He turns his back on CCTV. He just does the proper like turned nose like, ugh, get away from me. For the rest of the night, Turner ignores Emily. He turns his back on her. He dances with other girls and he buys them

drinks in a clear attempt to make her jealous. Then later on in the night, he sits with Emily on a table that is just out of shot of the CCTV camera. So unfortunately, we don't have any footage of it. But according to eyewitnesses, Turner slammed Emily's head into the table, threw a glass, and then stormed out. Emily is quickly taken out of the bar by her friends, very obviously and understandably extremely distressed. And after this incident, Turner logged into Emily's Facebook account.

He went through her messages and convinced himself that Emily was going on a date with another man at a Bournemouth bar called Clute. Turner decided to take himself off to Clute, therefore, armed with a lump hammer, stuffed down his trousers. And when he got there, to this Clute bar, he spotted a man that he thought had met up with Emily. He walks into the dance floor, again in full view of CCTV, and confronts this random man, even though Emily is not even there. So how he decides it's this guy is beyond me. And obviously, he has got the wrong end of the stick.

And this mystery man that he confronts told him so. But just to make sure he's proven his point, Elliot Turner showed the man on the dance floor the hammer that he had brought with him. Does he just, like, pull his trousers out and, like, show him this hammer that's jammed down there? Does he pull it out? Yeah, that's basically what it is.

My God. fucking fuck off and of course this man on the dance floor minding his own business who's now just been flashed a fucking lump hammer jammed down this prick's red trousers responds with quite a stern fuck off and off turner fucked he fucked all the way off to his friend's house in his black mini cooper which was a brand new present from his parents. He got it the second he turned 17. They buy him this brand new Mini Cooper, which is like about a 30 grand car, like it's not a cheap car. And when he arrived at his mate's house, he started to cry. And he told his friend that he had killed Emily with the lump

hammer and that he had heard her skull crunch and then hidden her in some bushes. He hysterically recounted his actions and pointed out that a passing ambulance must be on its way to retrieve Emily's body. Then all of a sudden, he switched off the waterworks and started laughing, telling his friend that the whole thing was actually just a joke. He's sick. He's sick. And I've been thinking about, because I don't want to get pulled up on speaking very disdainfully about the way he has been parenting but then trying to be understanding of someone

like Daniel Bartram you know like because I felt like it was difficult to know in that case like I felt like his mum was victimized quite a lot but I'm basically doing the same thing to Anita but the difference here is I really do think that Anita was quite substantially involved with turning him into who he became. I agree. I think that they are different cases because like you said, Daniel Bartland's mum was actively victimised by her son. And I felt like her decisions were made out of love, misguided decisions made out of love, where she maybe wasn't sort of getting him the support that he needed because she didn't want to face up to who he was. In this case, I'm not saying that Anita doesn't

love her son because obviously she does. It seems to be as well about status. It seems to be as well about other things and overindulging him. And that's what happened. I don't feel like Daniel Bartlett's mom overindulged him. I feel like she just tried to suppress her fears about the red flags that she was seeing in her son. Yeah. Harvard is the oldest and richest university in America. But when a social media-fueled fight over Harvard and its new president broke out last fall, that was no protection. Claudian Gay is now gone. We've exposed the DEI regime, and there's much more to come. This is The Harvard Plan, a special series from the Boston Globe and WNYC's On The Media.

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Followed by five exclamation marks. Which, of course, the biggest brat in the history of the universe did not like very much at all. The next day, he took another one of his red trouser gang to the woods behind his parents' house. There, he started thinking about all of the different ways he could kill Emily. He and this mystery pal discussed drowning her,

setting her on fire, and eventually settled on strangulation as the best way. Turner practiced what's known as a sleeper grip on his friend until he almost passed out. A sleeper grip is the one where it's like you're standing behind them and it's one arm completely like over their neck and then you pull them into you. So it's not like hands on the throat, it's an elbow, which is less likely to leave a mark as we will go on to find out. So he's practicing all of the different ways he's going to murder this girl he pretends he loves. And then he goes off on the hunt for her. And he caught up with Emily

at about 20 past nine that night at a bar called Cafe Shaw. He started an argument with her as soon as he arrived. He said that Emily was dressed like a whore. So she threw a drink on him. And then she left. The ever mature Turner responded by punching, kicking and smashing glasses. Turner told all of his friends that he was going to kill her. He didn't even care about going to prison. He reckoned that he would only do ten years anyway and still come out a millionaire. And honestly, to have the confidence of this particular incredibly mediocre man would probably transform my life.

I could probably become Prime Minister and not ever have to put my dick in a pig's mouth. Fucking hell. Turner dealt with this rejection the only way he knew how. He text his mum. And he text her? I could fucking break Emily's neck and beat the fuck out of her. I'm going nuts and the only reason I didn't flip is because my best pal was with me.

To which Anita replied, don't do anything that is inappropriate, Elliot. You are so young and have so much life ahead of you. Love, mum. I'm going to bed now. Kiss, kiss. I also think that the reason that our feelings towards Anita are different

towards our feelings towards Daniel Bartlett's mum in that is that if Elliot Turner had ended up killing Anita his mum I maybe would be a bit more sympathetic towards her but she raised somebody who went out and victimized somebody else so I'm finding it very difficult when he texts you that and you reply with you've got so much life ahead of you yeah I'm gonna question your decisions on how you parent your child. Your son has text you saying, I feel like I could actually murder someone. And it's not an anonymous someone. It's someone Anita has met several times. She knows Emily is 17, away from her family, all of that. And her response is, oh, you know, try not to do anything silly.

I'm going to bed. And also, maybe you're thinking at this point, well, you know, he's just being hyperbolic. Everyone says, you know, I'm going to kill this person. I'm so pissed off I could murder them. Yeah, sure. Okay. But, you know, we are sort of judging these parents based on what we know happens next and how this story ends. So hold on to your judgment of our judgment of their parenting until a little bit later on, I would say. So after this text exchange with his mum, Elliot Turner got back in his car and followed Emily to a friend's house. He made it there at 11.30pm. They argued and then they made up again. Emily got in Turner's car under the pretense that

he would drive her home after they had smoothed things over, but actually, Turner just drove her back to his parents' house. They arrived at quarter to one in the morning. Emily Longley had just 15 minutes to live. The next morning, which was the 7th of May 2011, Anita Turner called her husband at 9.16am and said, come home, Emily's dead. 40 minutes later, she called 999. And you know in that 40 minutes she was thinking of every goddamn way she could to avoid calling the police. And I also wonder, so it was later confirmed that Emily died at 1am.

I think Anita knew the whole night. I think she knew all night long. I agree because look at Elliot Turner's behaviour. When he is angry, when he is in trouble, he calls his mum first. I do not believe for a second that Elliot Turner killed Emily Longley at 1am and then didn't tell his mum until the following morning. He would have gone straight to her because he is not the kind of person that can deal with that kind of thing on his own

because he's so used to his mum cleaning up his messes for him. You can listen to a good chunk of this 999 call in the documentary. Essentially what Anita says is that she went into her son's room and was unable to wake Emily up. Emily wasn't breathing and there was a necklace tightly wound around her neck. Isn't that convenient? And of course, Emily was indeed dead. Elliot Turner told paramedics and the police on the scene that Emily had attacked him,

so he grabbed her neck for a few seconds in self-defense and then when he woke up, she was dead. We all know that that is not what happens. I can't remember which episode we spoke about it in, but we've covered it before. In order to kill someone by manual asphyxiation, you need to exert a kilo of pressure for at least five minutes. There is no way grabbing someone by the neck for a few seconds is going to kill them. Also, when Elliot Turner was arrested, he had his passport in his pocket and his bags were packed. His mum is Indonesian so I wonder whether his mum is just like fuck off to Jakarta mate and wait for it all to blow over. I would not be even the slightest bit surprised. I'm more surprised that she ever even called 999

at all to be honest. But his passport didn't help him and a very calm Elliot Turner was taken off to a holding cell. Police investigators involved knew, just like all of you listening, that Elliot Turner was most definitely not telling the whole truth. They were sure that he was responsible for Emily's death. All they had to do now was prove it. But when the post-mortem came back as inconclusive, that became a lot more difficult than they had originally thought. Turner flat out refused to talk to the police, and he was released on bail.

He really must have thought that he got away with it, because he was right back on the coke and right back on the town. His mum even handed him a fully loaded credit card when he was released. The news, of course, shattered Emily's family in New Zealand. She had only been with them a week before. The thought that she was actually gone seemed totally incomprehensible. So they flew over to the UK. Her father, Mark Longley, recalled watching people at the airport

put newspapers with Emily's face on them in the bin in the departure lounge. That is such like an insight into what a family like that must be going through because we're so used to obviously picking up newspapers like that and disposing of them once we've read it. That just really struck me when Mark Longley describes that quiet insight into the grief that this family felt. Me too. So the police assured the family that Emily had not simply died in her sleep and that they were going to get their man. They did this by bugging the Turner household.

And I asked our very own police correspondent, PC Excellent, how much evidence you need to be allowed to bug someone's house. You know, you need a warrant for everything, right? And it's a pretty hefty thing to be doing. I just wondered what the hoops were that you had to be allowed to bug someone's house. You know, you need a warrant for everything, right? And it's a pretty hefty thing to be doing. I just wondered what the hoops were that you had to jump through. And PC Excellence said that the rules come under the Regulation of Investigating Powers Act, or RIPA, which was passed in 2000.

And it comes under Section 33 that deals with covert surveillance. So PC Excellence explained it like this. Like any crime, you always suspect an offender and you have to investigate and gather evidence to prove or disprove the allegation that you have against them. In order to have covert surveillance, like bugging someone's house approved, the investigating officers have to evidence

why they need to do it and that all other avenues have been exhausted. The level of crime is also important. So it has to be in the public interest, serious and prolific offending, and an indictable offence only. So murder is quite obviously one of those offences. So they will have had to prove that this was their only option.

And because of the post-mortem being inconclusive, and Elliot not talking, and all of that, I really do think it was their last resort. And what they managed to get from this house bugging was not only a confession from Elliot, but one from his parents as well. On the 18th of May, this conversation was captured. No, if you'll be honest with me, who did they have destroyed?

Why, to end this? It's not me. We've preferred to be closer, just as you. I think we can all agree, police officers listening to that must have had a party. Just absolutely unable to believe their luck. I've actually been listening to a true crime podcast called, it's the Voyage of the Pong Su. Basically, it's about North Korean drug traffickers. I was like, yeah, that sounds exactly what I want. And they're also on a teeny tiny boat. So I was like, I like both of those things.

Anyway, they similarly capture these North Korean drug traffickers being like, yeah, that sounds exactly what I want. And they're also on a teeny tiny boat. So I was like, I like both of those things. Anyway, they similarly capture these North Korean drug traffickers being like, oh, well, the police could be listening. What could they possibly have on you? And then they list all of the things that they've done. And the police have already bugged them. So it's a very similar situation. Because they had, as you just heard, a crystal clear confession using legal terminology that the Turners had attempted to cover for their murderous son. And what they had done is Elliot Turner had written a letter confessing to the murder of Emily and they had destroyed it.

Wow. Wow. This is what I'm saying. This is what we were saying before. If you think that this family is not completely enabling, completely covering up, completely just avoiding any kind of recognition of what their son is and what he's done. This is proof. This is completely different to other cases we've covered. Elliot Turner was caught on the same tape saying, quote, between you and me, I just flipped out. I went absolutely nuts.

I've never in my whole life got to that point. I just flipped out and grabbed her. And that's all the police needed. There was also a reference to a jacket that Elliot had been wearing that had also been destroyed by his parents. So with that, all of the Turner family were arrested and charged with perverting the course of justice. Elliot Turner was handed an additional charge of murder.

The case against the Turners only grew stronger. The police theorised that Elliot had grabbed Emily in a sleeper hold, just like the one that he had pract practiced on his friend the day before. Then he pushed her into the bed and pillows, probably laying on top of her. This theory was formulated because the shirt that he had been wearing had Emily's makeup in the crook of the elbow, so in the crook of his elbow,

exactly where her chin and neck would have been in the stranglehold. And there's no makeup anywhere else on his shirt. It's literally just there. There was also a print of Emily's face on one of the pillows left by her makeup. The Turner adults were released on bail while their son remained on remand. On the outside, Anita threw a load of support Elliot parties and constantly pestered his friends to write to him while he was locked up, and some of the firm obliged. In these letters, Turner claimed that his dad would reward him with a £9,000 acquittal party and a brand new Porsche.

He was also convinced that he would sell his story to Hollywood and it would make him millions. I don't know if he's like a pathological compulsive liar or whether he actually believes the things that he says. I don't know because either you're right, he's either completely just a compulsive liar or he's completely delusional. And I don't know because I feel like his life

and the way in which it has gone so far from him and the reinforcement he's had from his parents, it could be either, really. The Turner family trial began on the 19th of April 2012. Elliot Turner pleaded not guilty to murder, but they all pled guilty to perverting the course of justice. 242 witnesses came forward. It was revealed during the trial that Turner had googled how to get off a murder charge and strangulation in the weeks before he killed

Emily. Elliot Turner took the stand for two full days of cross-examination and he was the arrogant little shit you all imagine him to be the entire way through. When he was asked by the prosecution why he did not appear to be upset, he replied that it all happened over a year ago. And that was met with an audible gasp from the jury. My God. This is what I mean. Just the level of, like, disconnect he has. He can't even pretend to try and deceive people.

He's so detached. Anita Turner told the courtroom that Emily Longley had ruined her son's life. And this was backed up by an audio recording from the house in which Elliot claimed that meeting Emily had ruined his life and his mother can be heard emphatically agreeing. Like, he's literally just like, oh, like, the moment I met her, my life was ruined. Like, fucking take some responsibility for yourself, you absolute pig. My God.

I mean, yeah. Emily Longley fucking ruined Elliot Turner's life by getting herself in a position in which he murdered her and then ends up going to jail for it. Fuck you all. Like, my God. This is what I mean. Anita is such a vile, toxic person. If anybody wants to come for me

about parenting, like, listen to the things that she's saying and the things that she's doing. The final nail in Elliot's coffin was testimony from forensic physician Dr. Jason Payne-James, which is an excellent name, and his professional opinion overruled the initial inconclusive post-mortem. He stated that Emily's eyes and lips displayed pinpoint bruising that's consistent with the pressure exerted in a stranglehold. The jury found the Turner family guilty on all charges. And so Elliot Turner was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 16 years. His parents were sentenced to 27 months each for perverting the course of justice. During sentencing, the judge gave Elliot Turner the dressing down that he so richly deserved. She said, quote,

By your actions, you have deprived a large, tight-knit family of a daughter, granddaughter, and sister. You have deprived young people both here and in New Zealand of a good friend. You have extinguished that light suddenly and needlessly. You told your parents you loved Emily Longley, but you do not know the meaning of love. Loving someone is not seeking to control that person's life, not telling someone that they are a whore, not telling friends to threaten them,

and not slagging them off to your friends. You did not love her. She was just a trophy. The relationship, if that's what it can be called, I literally want this judge to oversee every breakup I've ever gone through. Be like, yes, I'm right, you are a dick. You are. You're right. Tell him, judge. So the murder was deemed to be premeditated. And as these words were uttered in court, Turner mouthed the word bullshit. And the judge finished off by saying,

you can put away your thoughts of champagne, Bentleys and girls and concentrate instead on why you are serving a life sentence. I just want to give her a round of applause. She's amazing, isn't she? As far as we know, Elliot Turner is being held in Her Majesty's Prison, Swaleside, in Kent. He attempted an appeal, I think in 2013, on the grounds that the recording from his family home was inadmissible in court because it had been obtained illegally. This appeal was thrown out after five minutes of discussion.

He's still exaggerating. He claimed other inmates set his cell on fire authorities have confirmed that that's complete and utter bullshit and nothing like the sort happened he was involved in a minor incident which led to disciplinary action of two other inmates but we don't really know what happened he claims also to get letters from lots of women who he refers to as his fan club my god i really hope he is having the worst fucking time in prison. I really do. I know.

And he will be in there until at least 2027 because that is when he will be eligible for parole. His parents, on the other hand, are now free after serving just half of their sentences. They still live in the house where Emily was murdered by their entitled son. The Longley family continue to deal with their grief in incredible ways. Emily's father, Mark, has released a very good podcast series about his journey through trauma and grief.

It's called Death, Love, Grief and Hope, and it is well worth a listen. I just think it's so beautifully done. Obviously, he goes over what happens to Emily, but it's more about his experience of people not knowing what to say to you. So they just say nothing and they stay away. Or they'll say, oh, well, everything happens for a reason. And that's not what you want to fucking hear when your daughter's dead. And he interviews a lot of other people who've lost close family members. What British people do is they come around and leave you a lasagna on your doormat and leave.

That's happened to so many people, I know. You just end up with like 16 lasagnas that you can't eat. So especially if grief is something that everyone goes through at some point and some people go through it for a really, really, really long time, give it a listen. It's probably one of the best encapsulations of what it feels like to lose a close family member that I've come across. So give it a go. Mark, Emily's dad, also spoke at the vigil for Grace Mullane and has become an advocate for the white ribbon campaign. At the end of the day, what happened to Emily was definitely domestic violence. And if someone had recognised the signs,

then maybe she could have escaped. And domestic violence, I think, is something that we don't generally associate with teenagers or even with, like, people in their 20s or maybe early 20s. But as this case shows, we really should. And I think that with Elliot Turner, because he's such a bullshitter, like, when they interview his, like, mates he's such a bullshitter, like when they interview his like mates in the documentary, they're like, well, he lied about everything.

We didn't think he was actually going to do it. But also like the way he was acting, like he had smashed her head into a table. He had thrown glasses. He'd done those things. So those things should have been picked up by everybody. And they weren't. I know I've talked about this before, but years and years and years ago when I used to produce sort of safeguarding conferences for children and teenagers. Of course, they used to talk about the usual things we talk about, about sexual abuse, were, you know, on the front line with children and teenagers were saying the prevalence of domestic abuse in young relationships, in teenage relationships, is something that is completely overlooked. And I actually just, to refresh myself, just checked out the statistics that are the most recent ones that have come out. And according to a recent report by Safe Lives here in the UK, so these statistics are only for the UK, but I'm sure that they are very much representative across the world,

say that 25% of young girls who are, you know, teenagers, and 18% of boys as teenagers, have experienced some form of physical abuse from an intimate partner. And the damage, like I said earlier, that that must do to a person when it happens so early on, I can't even comprehend how that frames them for future relationships. It's just heartbreaking and I think it's something that we definitely need to have more conversations about. And a lot of people have messaged us to cover cases like this, so I'm glad that we are. If you're not familiar with the white ribbon campaign that we just referenced, here is a very quick rundown. The 25th of November is the International Day for the Elimination of

Violence Against Women. In New Zealand, like many other countries, most violence against women happens in their own homes. 14 women a year are killed by their partners or ex-partners. Every year, there are over 3,500 convictions recorded against men for assault on women. One in five women will experience sexual assault or interference in their lifetime. Police attend a family violence incident every four minutes in New Zealand.

Mark Longley, who still lives in New Zealand today, has made it his life's work to confront domestic violence and to point out the responsibility for it lies with men. He said, quote, one of the most common questions in family violence is why didn't she leave him, not why did he hit her? The man is out of the equation. All the onus is on the woman. There is no suggestion that the man shouldn't have been hitting her. And we need to reverse that. It shouldn't be up to the woman to leave and go to a refuge.

It should be up to the man to stop being violent. I love Mark Longley with my whole heart. Me too. And the thing is, it's like some men are just bad men. Some people are just bad people. But it's also wider, isn't it? It's society stop telling women to just leave and go find a refuge. It's society finding a way to intervene sooner

and stop these men who are so violent and so abusive. And it's exactly the same thought process as, what were you wearing? Were you drunk? Were you walking home on your own? It's the same ideology of, well, boys will be boys and it's down to the women to make sure it doesn't happen to you, make sure it happens to someone else. And that has got to change.

And if you think that that doesn't happen anymore, I'm afraid that you're wrong. And also, your opinion does not equal my fact. Anyway, Emily's murder has also made a significant impact on this side of the pond. A new safety scheme called Always Safe has been launched in her memory in Bournemouth. Its aim is to teach students how to stay safe personally, in relationships, on the road and online. Its tagline is Be Safe, Not Sorry. Hannah Longley, that's Emily's sister,

she gave the following statement to the press. She said, It's never going to hurt any less, but you are going to learn to deal with it and it's going to make you stronger. We have picked up all of the broken pieces and glued them back together. They're a bit wonky, but we're doing it. And her dad Mark gave another statement

which I so wholeheartedly agree with. I think he's a journalist, which is probably why he's so eloquent, but he really, really is. And he said, what a load of rubbish closure is, which I think in every situation it is. I don't believe closure exists at all in any situation. Not after someone dies, not after a breakup, nothing. It doesn't exist. It's a myth. And Mark says, people keep asking you if you have closure. You'll never have closure.

I think people want to feel that I had closed the murder off so that we could all move on. You never move on. I miss Emily every day. I think about her every day. And God forbid, if you ever did move on, it would be like saying that person didn't exist. And that's something he says in the podcast as well.

He's like, I never want to stop feeling sad about it. I just want to be able to handle it. Well, I think if I stay too long on that phrase by Mark, I'm going to start crying now. So let's end it there. So that is the story of piece of shit, Brock Turner, Elliot, Roger, composite, Dick Wadd, Elliot Turner. There you go. That's it.

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