RedHanded - Episode 162: The Many Faces of Franklin Delano Floyd

Episode Date: August 27, 2020

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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Red Handed early and ad-free. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. and lives can disappear in an instant. Follow Hollywood and Crime, The Cotton Club Murder on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Hannah. I'm Saruti. And welcome to your second episode of Red Handed this week. You lucky, lucky people. Because if you haven't noticed yet,

or you haven't listened, or you haven't seen it for whatever reason, we did release, as we promised to do, our Red Handed is a Silver Award winning podcast bonus episode as selected by you on Tuesday, which was on the Sower murders, which is obviously the murders of Holly and Jessica. So if you haven't listened to that yet, definitely go listen to it.

You guys earned it. And actually, for this week's Under the Duvet, which will come out immediately after this episode, I want to talk about Ian Huntley's daughter, because I watched a documentary about her this morning. Yeah, it's pretty sad and shocking. So if you want to listen to that because you just can't get enough, come do that immediately after this show over on Patreon for all five dollar and up patrons but enough of that we've got plenty of names today so i don't want to add

any more in unnecessarily it's a wild one we've got for you lots of names we've tried our very best what i would say it's lots of names but not that many people you'll figure out why i'm saying that it's like a riddle it is is. It's probably, I would say, definitely the twistiest, turniest case that I have researched for this show, definitely. I don't know, normally we'd be like, put your thinking caps on. I feel like you need like, keep up with us joggers today. That's what you need to put on. So go put those on and then let's get started because it's a weird one. It's probably the first case where I genuinely uttered the word blimey to myself. I have a sneaking, creeping suspicion

I've heard you say that before. Oh, out loud? I think so. Not very often at all. But I don't think it's anything I've said at all. Unless I was playing like a little World War II evacuee in a play or something. Cool blimey.

But yes, I feel like if it was a story being narrated, it would be Saruti stared wide-eyed at the laptop and softly uttered, blimey. That is the entire theme of how I did the research for this episode. So let's get started. It's a lot. So it just before one in the morning on the 25th of April, 1990, just outside Oklahoma City on the side of a highway, a group of men found a young woman.

She was unconscious, laying on the side of the road, surrounded by groceries. They called 911. The woman was rushed to hospital, but the police were stuck. Who was she? She had absolutely no ID on her. The woman had been found halfway between a convenience store and a Motel 6, so the police suspected that she'd been shopping and was

walking back to the motel when she'd been hit by a vehicle, and whoever had done it had then just fled. The woman was in a bad way. She had a large wound and a hematoma to the back of her skull. She was also, of course, badly bruised from the collision. But doctors and police also noticed that she had quite a few other bruises too, but these were much older, so they suspected that their mystery woman was likely a victim of abuse. But aside from this, the police didn't have much else to go on. The woman remained unconscious in hospital. The following morning, a man, Clarence Marcus Hughes,

turned up at the hospital, and he identified the still unconscious woman as his wife, Tonya Dawn Tadlock. A few eyebrows were raised at the hospital given the age gap. Tonya seemed to be about 19 or 20, whilst her greying husband was clearly more than twice her age. He said that they were staying at the Motel 6 because his wife had a doctor's appointment in Oklahoma City. He had been asleep and she must have popped out to get groceries. It was only hours later that he'd woken up to find her gone. He'd then heard about what had happened on the local news and rushed to the hospital. Four days later, Tonya finally began stabilizing. It looked like at last she might be out of the woods. But then, the very next day, following a visit from her husband Clarence, Tonya died.

The hospital called Clarence to ask him to come back, saying that Tonya was deteriorating and that it was looking really bad. But to everyone's surprise, Clarence said that he couldn't make it back in. And when the hospital called him again to confirm the worst possible news, that his young wife was indeed dead, Clarence simply told them that he had no intention of giving her a funeral and that they should just go ahead and cremate her. This, of course, rung alarm bells all over the place, especially given how oddly Clarence had behaved during the entire week his wife had been in the hospital. The police, as well as the medical staff tending to Tonya, had noticed that it was weird how disinterested he had seemed about her. Some of Tonya's colleagues came forward to raise even more suspicion when they told the police

that Clarence had been abusive and they were certain he must have killed Tonya. But the autopsy didn't give any clear signs that he'd done something to Tonya while she was in hospital. And when they checked his car, there was no sign on the vehicle that Clarence had been involved in a hit and run. Also, at the scene of the incident, police had found red paint chips and a car radio antenna. Clarence's car wasn't red and it wasn't missing an antenna either. There's no law against being a piece of shit. Without any hard evidence, the police really couldn't do that much. Yeah, so it's like Tonya's colleagues, like I said, come forward and they're very much like indignant that police need to look harder at him.

Originally, they are really suspicious of him, not just because he behaves weirdly at the hospital, but because, like you said, she dies after she starts stabilising, almost immediately after he's been to visit her. There's just not enough. There's just nothing there to really pinpoint him to it. Yeah. And, you know, you can't send someone to prison because you don't like them, unfortunately. Clarence carried on doing a terrible job of even pretending to grieve for his dead wife. When Tonya's boss found out that she died and that Clarence was refusing to give her a funeral, he said that he'd pay for it.

And Clarence said fine, but there was one condition. The funeral had to be closed casket. And I do want to say here, like we do come on to this later and talk about what Tonya did. As you can see, her colleagues and her boss, who was, like, offering to pay for the funeral, are the only people who seem to give a shit about this young woman. So Tonya worked in a strip club. She was an exotic dancer there. And this guy, her boss, is saying, I will pay for the funeral. He's, like, begging Clarence to let him pay for it.

And Clarence is like, yeah, all right, as long as no one sees her face. It's all just so baffling. It's all already so weird. I do think open casket funerals are barbaric, though, and they should be illegal. But like, I don't think that's his reason. No. Precisely. But we will come to that in a little while when you start to figure out why. So while Tonya's boss and her colleagues organized her funeral Clarence was busy placing their two-year-old son Michael into foster care. So Clarence told social services that his wife Tonya had just died and that he was a mess he needed to sort himself out and he didn't have anyone to help him with his son. So could they just take Michael put him in a foster home for

like two weeks let him get back on his feet and then he would come and get him. Social services agreed. They took Michael and they placed him with Ernst and Mull Bean. I feel like it's very unnecessary for me to have included their names, but I just really love their names. They just seem like the nicest couple. So yeah, the Beans get given Michael, and they are a very, very experienced foster family who were living in Oklahoma. So on the day of Tonya's funeral, no one was sure if Clarence would even bother to show up, given how disinterested he'd been in the whole thing anyway. But he did. And he turned up with oddly bright red dyed hair.

This is a man who's like almost 50, turning up at his wife's funeral with bright red dyed hair. It's so weird. And it was also weird because the other girls and women that Tonya worked with said that he had clearly done it to himself because a lot of the dye had stained his neck and stained his face and he just looked like a fucking mess. That's very easily done though. Tell you what sorts that right out, nail varnish remover, straight off. Oh really? If you get hair dye on your face. Nail varnish remover.

Nail varnish remover. It has to be an acetone one though. Doesn't do wonders for your skin, but it's better than having dye on your head. I was going to say, it doesn't fit in our skincare regime. No, we just every now and again slot stuff out for. And, you know, some of them did write it off and say, you know, perhaps it was just the grief his wife had just died. And, you know, some of them did write it off and say, you know, perhaps it was just the grief. His wife had just died. And, you know, some of them also wrote off, perhaps it was just the grief that made him behave like a total arsehole at the funeral to Tonya's friends as well.

But whatever was going on with him, it was about to get a whole lot worse. Because the police turned up at Tonya's funeral and took Clarence away. They had some questions for him. The questions were mainly about Tonya's birth certificate, the one she used to get her driver's license in Oklahoma when the couple had first moved there a year before. That birth certificate turned out to be fake. It had been the birth certificate of a toddler named Tonya who had died decades before. I feel like we've had people steal dead baby names before. Yes, we did. It was in some episode and then I called it a victimless crime

and then everybody still tweets at us about it. Guys, I mean, it is a crime, but I do still stand by the idea that, while it's not very pleasant, I'm still going to stick with the idea that it is a victimless crime. Suspicious, nonetheless. Not going to make you look good. Clarence claimed that he didn't have a clue about this birth certificate situation and refused to say anything more. And so with little choice, the police had to let him go. They couldn't prove that he knew about his wife's secret

past and why she was using a dead baby's birth certificate as her own. Following this release, Clarence decided that he needed to get out of town. And so that same day, just hours after his wife, Tonya, had been buried, he called the insurance company with whom he had taken out two life insurance policies just for Tonya, only two months before her mysterious hit and run. So now Clarence stood to gain $80,000, which is a lot of money now, let alone 30 years ago. This is not our bullshit post-recession, post-COVID money. He was going to be rolling in it.

Oh my God, like I've just got back from Greece. The exchange rate is horrific. It's like basically a euro to the pound at the moment. Ouch. Oh yeah, ouchy ouchy was the experience. That is like the economic equivalent of rubbing acetone on your face, isn't it? Ouch. On sunburned skin, because why not? We're going to Greece.

So the insurance agent that Clarence had to call to ask about these policies relayed his sympathies for Clarence's loss and then asked him for his social security number to process the claim. Twice, Clarence tried to give the agent a number. But both times, the agent told him that that number just didn't exist. Clarence claimed that he was just mixed up. Again, it was the grief. And finally, the third social security number that he gave the agent worked. The agent thanked him, said he'd get him the money as quickly as possible,

and ended the call. But as soon as he got off the phone, the insurance agent called the FBI. When he had entered that third security number that Clarence had provided him with, a different name had popped up on his screen. Franklin Delano Floyd. And he was a wanted man. Once Clarence, or should we say Franklin, got off the phone with the insurance company, he knew he'd fucked up. He needed to leave immediately. And so he called social services to get little Michael back. But there was a problem here too. In the time that two-year-old Michael had been with his foster parents, Merle and Ernst Bean had flagged a number of concerning issues. Michael was seriously developmentally delayed. He also had major behaviour issues and was prone to severe outbursts of rage and uncontrolled anger.

One of Tonya's former colleagues had even reached out to social care to tell them that Clarence was abusive and neglectful towards his son. And so, the social workers said Clarence slash Franklin couldn't have Michael back, not until his fitness as a father could be investigated. Franklin was furious. He couldn't stay and fight this through the courts. He knew it was only a matter of time before the police were knocking on his door. And so he fled. I just love Tonya's colleagues. Me too. They're just like, fuck this piece of shit. It'll quickly become apparent why they dislike him so much. Any small suspicion, they're just like going to the police, they're reporting him, they're going to social services,

they're saying don't give him that kid back. They're so on it, they're paying for her funeral. I love them. So after Franklin fled, he didn't get far because the police had been looking for Franklin Delano Floyd for 18 years. Now that they had him, they weren't going to let him get away that easily.

And six weeks later, police tracked him down in Georgia. Franklin, perhaps in his panic, not thinking clearly, had gone home, back to where he'd been born. So let's go back to, back to the start of Franklin Delano Floyd's life

and talk about why he'd been running from police for almost two decades and how he'd gotten away with it. Franklin Delano Floyd was born in 1943 in Barnesville, Georgia. He had been the youngest of five children and life hadn't been easy in the Floyd household. His father, Thomas Floyd, was an abusive alcoholic prick who beat his mum Della on a daily basis. But in June 1944, at the age of just 32, Thomas Floyd died of liver failure. With her abusive husband now dead, 29-year-old Della tried to build a life for herself and her five children.

She tried alone for 18 months, but she just couldn't do it. And this is the 40s. The 40s. Five kids on her own. It's an uphill battle at the best of times, let alone then. And so with few other choices, Della placed the children in the Georgia Baptist Children's Home. And this place is very interesting. It's incredibly strict. For a start, they said that they would only take kids who were true orphans, as they described it, quote, by death or by circumstance. They told Della that

if they were going to take these five kids, she would have to give up all of her parental rights to them. And so that's what Della did. Again, she was a single mum with five kids in the 40s. She couldn't even afford to feed them. She was absolutely desperate. And Della genuinely believed that this home would give her children opportunities that she couldn't. Also, I'd imagine, fucking 1946, there's just not that many men about, is there? Good point. They've all been sent off. So yeah, she's stuck, like, completely. So she drops them off in the home,

and Della was told that she could only visit her children twice a year. However, she regularly wrote to the home, begging to be allowed more time with the kids. But she was always told no. I don't understand why. Like, there is a book out there actually I was going to mention at the top of the show but there is a book that is very detailed on this entire case it's called A Beautiful Child and it's written by an author called Matt

Birkbeck. I definitely recommend it it is probably the most exhaustive resource on this case. I get in that book they say that the home says it because they feel like it's more stable for the kids if they don't have contact with their parents but like I know this was the 40s but really like how could that be a thing I don't know especially when she wants to I think there could be two things firstly they probably don't want the kids to get that emotionally attached to her because she can't take them or it could just be purely administrative and organizing visits as a ball ache and no one wanted to do it no that's true I'm gonna go with number two because they do not give a shit about these kids' welfare. When Franklin and his siblings arrived at the home, he was only two years old and this place was horrific.

Unsurprisingly, the Floyd children absolutely hated it there. They were separated and placed in groups by age and gender. The people overseeing the kids had no experience whatsoever with children. At best, they seemed to have been ill-equipped and short-tempered. At worst, they seemed to be downright sadistic. Franklin was perhaps too smart for his own good, even from a young age, and he in particular was subject to harsh punishments by the staff. They would whip him, starve him, and once as a teenager, his hand was held in hot water when he was caught masturbating. Franklin was also bullied and beaten relentlessly by other children for being feminine.

When he was just six years old, he claimed that a group of boys had found him in the field when he was working and raped him with a broomstick. Franklin spent his entire childhood and adolescence running away from this home and getting in trouble for fighting and stealing. But those running this place were at a total loss. Unlike the other kids, no punishment ever seemed to work on him. And I thought this was interesting because it's always sort of pointed out but with no real explanation. And one thing that Hannah and I have sort of come across in the research, especially when we did the interview with the parents that we spoke to, God, it feels like it

was ages ago, but I think it might have just been last month, whose child has psychopathic tendencies. One of the key indicators of psychopathy, especially in childhood and adolescence, seems to be you don't achieve the required or desired results through punishment. That just doesn't work on children who are showing antisocial or psychopathic traits. So I wonder if that's what's going on with Franklin. As we'll go on to find out, he very much fits that mold, but I thought it was quite interesting. So one by one, the other Floyd children left the home as they turned 18. And in the end, being the youngest, Franklin was the only one left. But in 1959, at the age of 16, Franklin was finally expelled for yet again running away. As he was still a minor, the children's home, who had had enough of him,

put Floyd into the custody of his eldest sister, Dorothy. Dorothy was living in South Carolina. She was married by this point with two little boys of her own, but she agreed to take Franklin. However, her strict military husband soon wanted his wife's brother gone. He didn't like him, and he didn't want him to be around his kids.

And so, again, Franklin ran away. He managed to track down his mum, but when he found her, he was horrified. After a string of failed marriages and relationships, Della was getting by as a destitute sex worker. Franklin didn't know what to do, so he lied about his age and joined the army. But this, too, also didn't last long, because after a few months, the army realised that he was way too young and kicked him out. With few choices, Franklin ended up on the streets,

and in 1960, at just 17 years old, he broke into a store and tried to steal a gun. In the subsequent confrontation, he was shot by the police. He obviously survived, but he ended up serving two years in prison. He was released in 1962 when he was 19, and in a pattern he'd follow for much of his life, Franklin Delano Floyd got himself on the wrong side of the law almost immediately. One night, just days after his release, Floyd went into a bowling alley in Atlanta, Georgia, where he spotted a four-year-old girl. He snatched her and took the child to some nearby woods where he horrifically raped her. He just loves all of it, doesn't he?

Just no particular MO, just like literally anything and everything. Just rampant mayhem. He strikes me as a man who, from childhood, adolescence, is filled with rage, but he's very, very calculating. You're going to go on to see just how calculating Floyd is. And he's also incredibly intelligent. It's just weird. He kind of reminds me of like a bit of Bundy,

where it's just like intelligent, calculating, but just a fucking maniac. Floyd always denied it, but he was caught and tried and found guilty of sexual assault, and he received 10 to 20 years in prison. As we all know by now, child sex offenders in prison are the lowest of the low in the prison hierarchy, and Floyd was no exception. He was beaten and tortured every day by his fellow inmates. But he wasn't planning on enduring this abuse for the next decade or two. And on the 14th of March 1963, just four months into his sentence, Floyd managed to escape. And just like before, even though he had escaped prison, just disappear, go on the lam,

go lay low, he couldn't. The very next day, he robbed a bank. And perhaps, you know, if it had been a bit earlier in the decade, he may have gotten away with it. But at this point, CCTV had just burst onto the scene. And as a brand new novelty, given that they had caught the burglar on CCTV, the story was everywhere, along with the images. And of course, Floyd was caught. Following this, he was sentenced to another 15 years in jail. And again, he just couldn't shut the fuck up and serve his time. Because just six months later, he got his hands on the prison fire engine and tried to ram the gates of the prison down to escape. He failed. After this attempt Floyd was actually sent to a psychiatric hospital in Springfield, Missouri. Following that he was then sent to a federal

prison in Marion, Illinois and here Floyd decided to try something new. I think at this point perhaps because he is intelligent realizing that his attempts to escape were only adding more and more years to his sentence Floyd decided that he needed protection so he got himself a daddy. I think a big reason of Floyd like wanting to escape prison is not just like him not liking to be institutionalized obviously like we see him escaping from the home but if he is telling the truth then he was sexually abused during his childhood and his adolescence in the home then he goes straight into prison where he's again abused by the other prisoners for being a child rapist so I think he's just

doing everything he can to get away from that but like I said now he gets himself a daddy and so although now he is doomed to provide his new security with daily sexual favours, the beatings stopped. So with this newfound time and focus, Floyd decided to educate himself in the law. And he even got himself his GED, which I think appears to be like a high school diploma in the US. It's getting your high school diploma outside of high school. Okay, yeah, so that's what he does. And at last, in 1972, after 10 years in prison, Floyd was paroled. But old habits die hard, and within just a week, he was arrested for trying to abduct a woman from a petrol station, but managed to borrow the money that he needed to make bail.

From who? So, this is interesting. When he's in prison, it's not his daddy, but it's another guy he meets in prison who gets released before he does. And then when he gets arrested and he needs the bail money, he asks him. And this guy, for some reason, gives him the money. And then Floyd just fucking runs off. Like, I don't know.

He's very manipulative. Then, of course, once he's released on bail, Floyd fled. That is hard to say. And following this, there were no records of Franklin Delano Floyd from June 1973 until he was caught in 1990. He'd been on the run for 18 years. At least now the police had him behind bars. And now instead of trying to escape, Floyd's priority was trying to get his two-year-old son Michael back. And he worked on it right from his jail cell. He even got himself a lawyer to fight the custody battle. He promised the judge and social services that he would turn his life around. And once he got out, he'd get a job and a house and

be a better father. The judge, sympathetic to Floyd, agreed and allowed him to have supervised visits with Michael in prison while the little boy remained in foster care. But a condition of the visits was a court-ordered paternity test, which Floyd flat out refused. But he was given little choice, and the test went ahead. And guess what? Michael, the two-year-old little boy that he had placed in social services after Tonya had died, was not biologically Franklin Delano Floyd's son at all. So with that, custody was denied and visitation stopped immediately. And Michael's foster parents, the Beans, who had made huge strides with the little boy, decided to adopt him. I love the Beans. I know. Love it. But Floyd wasn't having any of it. He was going to fight

the decision, but he'd have to wait until he was out. And given that he'd been on the run for 18 years by this point, that the police catch him again, he's let out a lot sooner than I anticipated. Because in March 1993, just 33 months after he was caught, Floyd was released. That seems like quite a short amount of time for a man who has got a string of very violent offences and form for going on the run. But what's he in for this time? Insurance fraud? Yeah, but he'd been on the run for skipping bail all that time ago for trying to abduct that woman. But yeah, apparently

they're just like, yeah, all right, cool. Go on then. Off you go. And as soon as he got out, just as he'd promised, he fought to get his parental rights reinstated. And unbelievably, I thought, because he isn't Michael's biological father. Yes, he had been with his mother for the first two years of Michael's life, but then he's a convicted felon. All of this, he gets his parental rights reinstated. And also like he's raped a child. Yes, he raped a child. How is this happening? I do not get it. And also Michael was two when Franklin left him and ran off because he had to. And then by the time he's caught and then spends his 33 months in jail, Michael's five.

He hasn't even seen Floyd in three years. And you're just going to let this man who's been convicted of child sexual offences, who isn't even his biological father, come back into his life. I do not get why they put this little boy at such risk, especially when he has two parents who love him and want to adopt him and want to do the whole shebang. Like, I do not get why they put this little boy at such risk especially when he has two parents who love him and want to adopt him and want to do the whole shebang like i do not get it so get this the ontario liberals elected bonnie crombie as their new leader bonnie who i just sent you her profile check out her place in the hamptons huh fancy she's a big carbon tax supporter yeah oh yeah

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the Beans had made huge strides with Michael. They had really, really addressed his behavioral issues. They were almost completely gone, and they had almost completely closed that developmental gap that Michael had had when he was two. By this point, Michael was described as just like a really sweet, kind little boy. And the Beans, understandably, didn't want him anywhere near Franklin Delano Floyd. But Floyd wasn't going anywhere. He was determined to get his son back.

He even got an apartment and a job as a caretaker in a block of flats. But, as usual, Floyd couldn't keep up the rehabilitated vibes. And in July 1994, at the building in which he worked, a woman found him in her flat going through her knicker drawer, knife in hand. Floyd attacked her, but the lady's boyfriend had thankfully arrived moments later and managed to catch Floyd and keep him in place until the police got there. After this attack Floyd lost his new job and his home and with that Michael was gone too. There was no way he'd get custody now but unbelievably Floyd was yet again awarded bail. How there is no rule against like if you've skipped

bail once automatically you don't fucking get it. mean i suppose it's a money thing probably i just do not understand it is completely baffling maybe is it because he's skipping bail in different states quite possibly but fucking hell stop letting this man out and of course not being one to behave himself on bail on the 12th of september 1994 floyd turned up at Michael's primary school. He had lost all hope of getting the little boy back legitimately, so this was his last resort. Floyd had told the principal, James Davis, that he was there to pick up his son. Davis knew the beans. He was confused by who this man was, and so he invited Floyd into his office.

But whatever Davis's plan was, it certainly wasn't what happened next. Because I'm like, why did he take him into his office but whatever davis's plan was it certainly wasn't what happened next because i'm like why did he take him into the office why does this principal take this man who is turning up to try and claim this child who he knows isn't his because it's a primary school and this principal fucking knows his adoptive parents why does he take him into the school i do not understand that decision well i suppose one of your jobs with being a principal, like dealing with difficult parents and like dealing with complaints of any kind, really, people become a lot more aggressive if they feel like they're not being listened to. So like, I guess possibly he takes him into the office to be like, OK, what's the problem?

Rather than like outright ignore him. Possibly. Also, he doesn't know he's a child rapist. No, this is true. Or the other thing I would think is like, if I were the beans, I would have told Davis, like if anybody else ever comes to try pick Michael up, do not ever let him leave with anybody. So maybe he knew and maybe he was trying to get him into the office so that he could call the police and this man couldn't run off. Also, I don't know. But whatever Davis's plan was, it certainly was not what happened next.

As soon as he was in Davis's office, Floyd pulled out a gun and told the principal to go and get Michael from class. Davis couldn't risk the lives of all of the kids in his school, so he complied. But Floyd wasn't done with him yet. He forced Davis and Michael out into the car park. He forced the principal to start his truck and drive the three of them into a secluded area. Here, Floyd tied Davis to a tree, duct taped his mouth and drove off in the principal's truck. Davis had managed eventually to get the tape off his mouth and scream for help. And when he was found, he told the police everything. The police and the Beans were terrified, but they did know that Floyd wanted Michael more than anything. So surely the little boy would be safe. The police tracked down any known associates of Floyd,

people he'd known in prison and also from his distant past. One of these people, who had known him a very long time ago, showed the police a picture he had of Franklin Delano Floyd when he had known him as Trenton B. Davis. Yet another alias. In this picture, Floyd has a little girl on his lap. The man told police that that was Floyd's little girl Suzanne. A dumbfounded police noticed the child's resemblance to Michael. They couldn't

believe it. It was Tonya, the woman Floyd had said was his wife who had died of the hit and run. In the photo Tonya couldn't have been older than five or six. So this immediately threw up a hell of a lot of questions. Who was this woman? Was she Floyd's wife and also his daughter? How could this even be Floyd's daughter? Because looking at the age she is in that photo, Floyd would have been in prison when she would have had to have been conceived. There was also no record anywhere of him even having a kid. So Tonya or Suzanne, whoever this child had been, how had she ended up with Floyd? So the police went through missing child records, but they just couldn't figure out who this mysterious girl was.

All they knew was that she had eventually died in a hospital in Oklahoma at the age of 20 as Tonya. And now, the fake birth certificate that she'd been using made a lot more sense. Despite this disturbing new finding, the police had to remain focused on finding Michael. There was still a chance that the little boy was alive. Finally, after almost six weeks of a missing Michael, the police made a breakthrough. Or at least, Floyd made a mistake. He didn't realise that the police had by this point discovered all of his aliases. And so he tried to renew an old ID number under the name of Warren Marshall in order to acquire a Florida driver's license. He gave the Florida DMV his new address in Louisville, Kentucky.

And of course, the FBI were immediately alerted. Floyd was swiftly arrested, but Michael wasn't with him. In fact, there was no sign at all that a child had accompanied Floyd at all. The police had to work fast. Where could Michael be? They discovered that on the 20th of September, just a week after he'd taken Michael from his primary school, Floyd was in Atlanta, Georgia. And the next day, he had admitted himself into hospital for psychiatric care. He had told the doctors at the hospital that his wife and son had died

and he was broken by it. After eight days, so on the 29th of September, Floyd had checked himself out of the hospital and got on a bus to Kentucky. But he had only bought one ticket. So the question was, what had he done with Michael? So essentially, he grabs Michael from the primary school. He goes on the run. He goes to Atlanta, Georgia. There, he has eight days unaccounted for before he checks himself into this hospital. Then he's in hospital for about another week. And then he goes to

Kentucky where the police catch him. So in that two-week period of time, he's only out of hospital for a week. So that must be the time frame when he does something with Michael. When questioned, Floyd at first said he hadn't taken Michael. He told the FBI that the mafia had taken him. According to Floyd, they were after him and they had kidnapped his son to punish him. The mafia never hit the families. Come on. And it didn't hold up because Floyd soon admitted that he had indeed taken Michael,

but it was only to protect him. He said that he had given the boy to a friend in another country and that he'd just been working on getting his passport so he could go and join his son when he'd been caught. Floyd refused to say where he was, but just kept saying that Michael was safe. The police didn't believe this and there was nowhere for Floyd to have left Michael. It just didn't make any sense. And their worst fears began to solidify when Floyd called his sister Dorothy and told her that he had drowned Michael after he had refused to tell Floyd that he loved him. So in January 1995, the police found a car that Floyd had stolen and been driving around that week before he checked himself into the psychiatric hospital.

So that's the week in which he must have had Michael with him and done something with him. Cadaver dogs, when they tested the car, strongly indicated in the boot. But no solid forensics could be recovered. And so it just wasn't enough to prove that Michael was dead. But it was enough that the boy was missing. And so on the 18th of January 1995, Franklin Delano Floyd was indicted for kidnapping five-year-old Michael. Floyd's defense was that he hadn't kidnapped the boy,

saying that it was his right as a father to take him. But obviously this argument didn't work and Floyd was found guilty. The prosecution couldn't prove that Floyd had killed Michael. They didn't work and Floyd was found guilty. The prosecution couldn't prove that Floyd had killed Michael. They didn't have a body. They didn't have any solid forensics. They didn't have blood. They had nothing. So the judge couldn't hand down a life sentence and instead settled on 55 years, which given that Floyd was 52 at the time, essentially means that he will die in prison. So although they couldn't do the life sentence like it's not good for him but if you think that it's over you would be wrong because if you take a

little look down at your episode runtime you will notice that we still have a quite a way to go because the police still needed to figure out who Tonya was Floyd had always refused to say so the police were going to need some serious investigative skills and a whole lot of luck to crack that mystery. And that's just what they got. On October the 22nd, 1994, in Dallas, Texas, the principal's truck in which Floyd had originally kidnapped Michael was found. Nothing was found in the surrounding area, and so, thinking it was just another dead end, the truck was sold at auction, and it was bought by a mechanic in Kansas. He knew that it had been stolen and dumped, but he planned to fix it up and sell it on.

However, as he started to work, he found an envelope taped to the gas tank, and inside were 97 photos. The man was horrified. Most of the images were of children being sexually abused. And there was also a series of photos of an almost naked young woman being bound and badly beaten. So this mechanic called the police. Incredibly, the photos included images of Tonya as a child and as a teenager in sexually explicit poses. So much for Floyd's claims that he'd never touched Tonya, his kidnapped daughter wife.

But even when confronted with these images, Floyd just said that he was being framed and refused to say, even still, who Tonya really was. So this is why there is so much urgency to figure out who Tonya was. If it was just an adult that he had known who had died, who'd been using a fake birth certificate, you know, that's one thing. But thing but the fact is at this point they can now pinpoint Floyd with Tonya slash Suzanne from the age of about five and he had always claimed after he was arrested for Michael when the police tried to figure out who Tonya is that he never touched her he tells the police that oh I don't know whatever she was my wife then he's like when they confront him with the picture of her as a child. I don't know, he just has a lot of bullshit stories that we'll come on to.

But he's always adamant that he never sexually abused her. To Floyd, being a child rapist, which is what he is, is like the most shameful thing. And he never ever admits to it. So when they find these photos of her being sexually abused as a child and as a teenager, it shows that she is with him during that time, that that progression happens. So they suspect basically that she's another child that he's kidnapped. So the police therefore went to work trying to figure out who the other woman in the

photo was because, of course, like you said, Floyd wouldn't give him any information on Tonya. So as we said, the mechanic found another series of photos of a woman who was tied up and beaten really badly. And given what looked like an incredibly severe beating, they figured that the woman in the images most likely died either during the photo shoot or shortly after. So while Floyd wasn't explicitly in any of the photos, the FBI did manage to get a few clear shots of his thumb in some of the images of the tied up woman and they were able to match that thumb in the photo to Floyd which I thought was remarkable and so now that they knew that Floyd was with this woman and they presumed that

most likely she was dead they needed to figure out who this Jane Doe was but with so many missing women the police didn't have much to go on. So they started circulating the image to police departments in towns that they knew Floyd had lived in during his 18 years on the run, and also to his known associates. And they just so happened to start with Tampa, Florida. They said that they started with Florida because the woman in the photos has an incredibly serious tan. and it was the hottest place or something that Floyd had lived. So they're like, let's start in Florida. Is that what counts as policing? Jesus. I mean, maybe it's not that ridiculous. I don't know. I mean, it worked eventually. But at first in late 1994, investigators

in Florida said that they couldn't help. So again, it seemed like a non-starter but in march 1995 off interstate 275 in florida skeletal remains were discovered and the police in florida immediately recognized the jewelry and the bikini found with their remains from the photo that they had been sent by the fbi months before it was the woman in the pictures from the truck. And also further than just the bikinis and the jewelry, the wound on the woman's face in the photos even matched the facial injuries to the skeleton that they had found. And dental records soon gave them a positive ID. Their Jane Doe was Cheryl Camesso. Cheryl had gone missing eight years before in 1989. And surprise, surprise, Floyd had lived in the same area between 1998 and 1989.

But what was the connection between Cheryl and Floyd? After a bit of police digging, it all came spilling out. In 89, in Tampa, 18-year-old Cheryl had been working at a strip club called The Mons. And that year, a new girl, Sharon Marshall, also 18, started to work there. According to the other women at the strip club, Sharon had just moved to the area with her dad, called Warren Marshall. Everyone remembered Sharon being a hard worker. In fact, she worked every single day that the club was open. She never asked for any time off. The other girls at the club noticed that Sharon started turning up covered in bruises. She confided in them and said that

her father Warren was incredibly abusive and it was him who was making her dance. She hated it, but he said that they needed the money. Her new friends kept telling her to run away or tell the police, but Sharon said she couldn't. She was scared of him. Warren creeped the other girls out. He'd come into the club and watch Sharon, his daughter, dance. The owner ended up barring him because it was just so weird. But despite the weirdness, Cheryl got involved with Warren and the two started dating. But then one night he hit her when they were on a boat out at sea. Cheryl was so scared by his rage that she jumped into the water to get away from him. After this incident, Cheryl had called the state and turned Warren in for benefit fraud.

She told them that Sharon was earning money and not disclosing it so that they could get welfare. And so in March 1989, Warren and Sharon's benefits had been cut pending an investigation. Warren knew that it was Cheryl who had dobbed him in. And that night he had got into a raging fight with her in the car park of the strip club. Two weeks later, in April 1989, Cheryl had vanished. Obviously, you guys know Sharon is Suzanne slash Tonya. And Warren, like we know from the Florida DMV records that got him caught, is very much Floyd. So when Cheryl goes missing, her friends and her family just thought she'd gone off on a trip. Cheryl was only 18, but she was like that. She did that kind of thing all the time, and no one was really worried at first.

It was only in May that year, when her brother got a call that Cheryl's car had been found abandoned at the Clearwater Airport, that panic had started to set in. The car had been there for six weeks. At the same time all this was going down, Warren Marshall and his daughter, Sharon, were leaving town. Of course, the police already knew Floyd's various aliases, including, of course, Warren Marshall. And so once they heard this story,

they were able to start to trace his tracks and his connection to Cheryl. And using the photos, they were also able to confirm that Sharon was none other than Tonya. And so in November 1997, Floyd was further indicted with the first degree murder of Cheryl Cameso. But this time he was declared incompetent to stand trial. Surprisingly, Floyd fought this hard. He was furious at the idea of being declared quote-unquote crazy and so in September 2002 he stood trial and during his trial Floyd absolutely refused to allow his defense attorneys to bring in any doctors to testify on his behalf. He would not allow any defense of mental incapacity even

though it might have saved him from the death penalty. Why not? It's really bizarre. To him, the child abuse, the child rapes, and being deemed quote unquote crazy are the two worst things for him. He'd rather be thought of as being sane than being insane, despite standing trial for the things he's accused of. It's a very interesting part of his psychology. Instead, his defense was that it was all just a setup. He said the photos had been doctored by the FBI, and just like the Michael case, he was being framed. But after just four hours of deliberation, the jury found him guilty and Floyd was sentenced to death. Floyd is currently sat on death row in the Union Correctional Institution in Florida. He's currently 77 years old, and it's pretty likely he'll die before he's executed.

And so maybe you're thinking, oh, okay, it must be over now. But it's not. Look down at the time bar yet again. We've still got a couple of mysteries to solve, because the question still remained. Who was Tonya slash Suzanne slash Sharon? The police were certain, like we said, that Floyd had kidnapped her as a child. But like we said before, they had searched the missing child record. It didn't really narrow anything down. And over the years, a number of families were DNA tested to try and figure out who Tonya was. But none of them were a match.

Then, suddenly, in 2014, Floyd said that he wanted to talk about Tonya. He told the FBI that they needed to track down a woman called Sandy Chipman, who he'd been in a relationship with. He gave them just enough, and they found her. The police showed Sandy the picture they had of Floyd and Tonya at age 5 or 6, and the moment Sandy saw it, she knew it was her daughter. And the man in the picture, Floyd, well, he was her ex-husband. Only she had known him by another name, Brandon Williams. And her daughter's name

wasn't Tonya. She was Suzanne Marie Savakis. According to Sandy, Brandon had kidnapped her Suzanne in 1975. This is in 2014. The FBI turn up and show her this photo. Sandy told the police that in 1974, she'd met Brandon in North Carolina. She was a single mom with three daughters and another baby on the way. She was lonely and struggling. Her three daughters had been taken away by social services, and she feared her new baby would be taken as well. So when Brandon came along and promised her that they could get married, he'd provide for them, and together they'd get all her daughters back, Sandy fell for him. And at first, Brandon lived up to his word. He got Sandy's daughters back home and they were happy. In 1974, in April, Sandy had baby number four and named him Philip Stephen

Brandenburg. When baby Philip was just a month old, Brandon and Sandy got married. He promised to love her and her four children as his own. But a year later, Sandy got arrested for writing a bad check. She was sent to prison for 30 days and when she got out, her husband and her four kids were gone. Eventually, Sandy found two of the girls in a nearby children's home. She was told that her husband Brandon had just left them there. But Suzanne and baby Philip were still missing. And according to Sandy, she never saw either of them ever again. She said that she tried to report it to the police, but that she was told that Brandon had the right to take the children as he was their stepfather. That seems odd. I don't know. That's what's said. It was a bizarre story. The police

were like, this is pretty wild. You know, she's saying that this child was taken in 1975. But DNA did prove that Suzanne was indeed Sandy's daughter. So what happened after Brandon, aka Floyd, fled with these kids? Well, it appeared that Brandon took Suzanne to Oklahoma and enrolled her in school as Suzanne Davies, and he said that she was his daughter. In 1978, however, Suzanne's babysitter reported Floyd. She suspected that he was sexually abusing his daughter. And given the photos found in the truck, we know that this is very much true. Following this allegation, Floyd and Suzanne took off. Floyd changed their names to Warren and Sharon Marshall.

They headed to Arizona, then to Kentucky. And this is a part of the story that's really unbelievable. Despite how incredibly fucked up Suzanne's life had been, the sexual abuse, the constant moving, being in the clutches of a fucking kidnapper, Suzanne excelled at school. She was incredibly bright and she actually earned herself a full scholarship to Georgia Tech to study aerospace engineering. But in her final year of high school, Suzanne got pregnant. Floyd made Suzanne turn down her college place and was

adamant that she give up the baby for adoption. Suzanne tried to run away with the baby's father, but Floyd found her and brought her back and made her give the baby for adoption. Suzanne tried to run away with the baby's father, but Floyd found her and brought her back and made her give the baby girl up. Floyd arranged the whole thing. It was an informal adoption and it scored him a cool $10,000. Still blows my mind that adoption isn't free in America. In July 1986, Floyd and Suzanne moved to Phoenix, Arizona. It was here that Suzanne got pregnant again,

but this time with Michael. And as we know, she was allowed to keep him. But Floyd wanted Suzanne and the baby far away from the baby's father, a man called Gregory Higgs. And so once again, he forced Suzanne to leave. It was here that Suzanne and Clarence met Cheryl Comezo. After they had fled Florida following the murder of Cheryl, they had moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Here, Floyd had again forced Suzanne into working at a strip club called Passions. It was all becoming too much for Suzanne, or as she was known at this time, Tonya,

and she started to dream of having a normal life, a happy life. And it was here that she met a guy her own age, a man named Kevin Brown. And once again, Suzanne fell pregnant. She had told Kevin that her husband had dark secrets, secrets she could never tell. And Kevin could tell that she was terrified of him. This is all so fucked up. Suzanne has been brought up by this guy calling him her dad, being sexually abused by him. Then at 18, she gets married and now has to call him her husband. It just so fucking mental it's just so fucking crazy like it's a lot of a case but she never spills she never tells anybody because she is deathly

terrified of this man but Suzanne finally started to think that with Kevin's help she may be able to leave Floyd take Michael and keep the coming baby that she was now pregnant with and run away but before she could do any such thing Suzanne Suzanne had her baby, another daughter, who again Floyd made her give up for adoption. And shortly after, on the 25th of April 1990, Tonya was of course hit by a mystery car on the highway. Police after all these years still suspected Floyd of this hit and run when they were looking into Suzanne's case,

especially when they discovered that there Suzanne's case, especially when they discovered that there was no doctor's appointment booked in the area for her that day, as Floyd had told them as an explanation for why she was staying at that Motel 6. I think possibly Suzanne was there because she had finally left Floyd, perhaps. Maybe filled with rage, Floyd had hunted her down and killed her. I don't know. We're never going to know. Floyd won't talk about it. But I do believe that it was him who hit Suzanne. I'm just like, what are the fucking chances? And also, like, I wouldn't put it past him to just nick a red car

and then dump it somewhere, you know? Precisely. He stole cars all the time. I really don't think that's enough of a read. But oh, well, his car was fine. Obviously the only one he had access to in any possible situation. Like, I completely agree with you. I think he knocked her off. After this incident, it's obviously where we started our

story at the top of the show, but there are still a couple of questions remaining. One of these questions is why Floyd made Suzanne give up her baby girls, but he allowed her to keep Michael. We know from the images found in the truck and from his abuse of Suzanne that Floyd was an abuser of girls. So why keep a boy? Perhaps he just needed the money. He was, after all, doing informal adoptions for money. But it doesn't explain to me why he was so bothered about Michael. He wasn't biologically his son, and I can't believe that he actually loved him enough to risk getting caught and going back to prison for taking him. No, I don't know. It is weird why he always makes her give up the baby girls, but he allows her to keep Michael. At first, I wondered if perhaps before I read that they weren't his, perhaps the baby girls were his, and he did in some way want a better life for them. But no, they weren't even his. None of

the kids were his. So I don't know. I don't know why he does that. It's very strange. Maybe it was just for money. But whatever Floyd's reasons for taking him, Michael is still one of the saddest parts of this story. Floyd stole him away from two parents who loved him and could have given him a great life. Over the years, Floyd had constantly changed his story regarding what he did with Michael. But in 2013, the FBI took over the cold case review of Michael's disappearance and reopened the investigation. A year later, after several days of rigorous interviewing, Floyd finally confessed that he had shot Michael after kidnapping him because he realized that after three years with the beans, Michael didn't love him anymore. Floyd said that he'd buried Michael on the last

interstate exit leaving Oklahoma. And on the day that Floyd said he killed Michael, someone had actually called the police and described a very suspicious man with a young boy at an Oklahoma interstate rest area near the Texas border. But so far, searches have found nothing, and Michael has been missing for 26 years. We don't know where Michael is. That is still a mystery.

But we do have one last mystery. Just in case you haven't had enough. Yes, exactly. Just in case you haven't had enough. This one I had to include, and we're only including it because we're doing this case at the time we're doing it, because this mystery was only solved this year in March 2020. So everyone ready? Let's do it. The batted among you may have noticed that when Floyd, a.k.a. Brandon Davies, left Sandy Chipman when she was in prison, she said that he had taken Suzanne, who was about five,

and her one-year-old baby, Philip Steve Brandenburg. Well, we know that he definitely did take Suzanne. But there was no evidence at all to suggest that Floyd had taken the baby boy. It's because she finds her other two kids in that children's home and she says that Philip must still be with Floyd. And in fact, Sandy's version of events about her son

actually started to throw up a lot of questions. When police spoke to Suzanne's sisters, who had been three and four at the time, they said that they didn't remember a baby at all. And yes, they are incredibly young, but, you know, not that young. And having a baby is like a big change in a home, so it's a weird thing for them to have not noticed. And even more strangely than that,

Sandy couldn't provide the police with any baby photos of Philip. If she's saying that the baby was one when Brandon had taken him, how do you have no baby photos? That seems weird. Especially if he's missing. Yeah, I know. If you're just like, a baby. It's an anonymous baby. Go find him. Like, it's very weird. And also, she has baby photos of the girls. So it's not like, oh, she's just not the kind of person who takes pictures of their baby and that's like who is that person anyway it's weird so it was strange and the police also discovered that it seemed that over the years sandy had never really mentioned baby

philip she only ever really seemed to speak about suzanne in fact seemed like no one in her family ever really spoke about philip which is again incredibly weird if this one-year-old baby was kidnapped. So the police started to wonder, had Philip Steve Brandenburg ever even actually existed? They couldn't understand why Sandy would lie though. Why on earth would you lie that this baby had been stolen? I guess they start to become suspicious of her, maybe, you know, is there foul play? Did this baby either not exist and was she lying or had she killed this baby and she was using this man who had run off with her kid as an excuse to get out of it it's weird and finally as we said in march 2020 the 45 year old mystery of baby philip was finally solved are you ready because this is a lot. Last summer, so in 2019, a man named Philip Patterson, who went by his middle name, Steve, asked his mum about his birth parents.

Steve had always known that he was adopted, and now with his own kids he wanted to know more about where he'd come from. So his mum Mary told him what she knew. Then she did something she hadn't done before. She typed Steve's full birth name, Philip Steve Brandenburg, into Google. And with horror, she sat and stared as her screen filled up with alerts

that her adopted son was a missing child. Can you imagine? I can't imagine that he'd never Googled his own fucking name before I Google myself all the goddamn time. But I guess maybe he didn't know his surname was Brandenburg? Possibly, yeah.

So he goes by Philip Steve Patterson. So maybe he just types that in and it's just like, hey, that's you. You're not missing. As she read more, she discovered what happened to Suzanne, Steve's biological sister. And all the reports said that this madman Floyd had also abducted Steve, or Philip, when he was one. But Mary was confused. She'd adopted Steve when he was just a few months old. He had turned one with her. And she was even more confused when she saw who was making these claims. Sandy Chipman. Mary had known Sandy 45 years ago. They had been co-workers and friends. They had both even been pregnant at the same time. But Sandy had told Mary one day that she had decided to give her baby up for adoption.

She said that it was because her new husband didn't want him. And tragically, Mary's baby had died soon after being born. And so when her friend and co-worker Sandy Chipman had suggested that why not just Mary adopt her baby boy, since she was going to give him up for adoption anyway. When she heard this, Mary had been overjoyed. Mary had lost babies before. She knew that maybe this would be her only chance at being a mother, so she took it. Mary says she adopted Steve within months of his birth. But Sandy still claims that she had him until he was a year old, and that Trenton Davies, her husband, had run off with him.

But unlike Sandy, Mary has plenty of photos of Steve before he was one. And so I think we know who's telling the truth. It appears that Sandy gave Steve to Mary before she went to prison. Steve also took a DNA test in March of this year. And as suspected suspected he was indeed Mary's son and so Steve was never kidnapped. He was adopted to Mary. So that is another mystery solved but I guess the question there still remains about why Sandy lied. If she'd already given the baby up for adoption months before why does she say that Floyd took him I don't understand I have

no idea I have absolutely no idea at all I don't know maybe she was ashamed of putting up her son for an adoption where the like daughters back then didn't really matter that much and like maybe it was fine that they were in a home but like I don't know that's the only thing I can think is that she would rather say that this man ran off with her kids than say that she put him up for adoption because she couldn't cope or because like she told mary she'd given up her son because her husband didn't want him i don't know it's strange but yeah i think the problem with it is that although it doesn't feel that consequential to the story about why sandy is lying it does throw up a lot of questions about whether she ever really tried that hard to look for Suzanne.

Michael is a huge victim in this. Of course he is, because to this day we don't know where he is. And in my opinion, Floyd has admitted it. He is probably no longer alive, tragically. But Suzanne had the most brutal life. She was abducted by this man at five years old and then systematically abused her entire life. Forced to give up any baby she had. For to like be dragged from place to place across the country and then eventually just murdered, most likely, by this man. And it breaks my heart even more to

think that maybe Sandy wasn't even looking for her daughter who had been missing all that time. That is the very, very fucking complicated story of Franklin Delano Floyd. I hope you guys are still there and okay. Please take some time to untwist your brains i certainly will be like unraveling mine like what's that thing where like the human intestine reaches to the moon and back or something like that no it's not the intestines intestines is tennis courses if you unravel all of your dna it stretches from the earth to the moon like loads of times apparently specific science from me today i feel like if i unravel this case from my brain it would probably go to like i don't know maybe croydon at least croydon i think i could make it to the

isle of wight because i've been sat with this case for a week and honestly i'm so glad that we've now just regurgitated it into the mic so i can just like never look at it again because i'm absolutely baffled by it but the main thing to know know is, as we said, Floyd is in jail. He is going to die there. No more fucking bail for that piece of shit. And he just left a lot of victims in his wake. And that is very tragic. But yeah, hope you guys enjoyed that episode as well as the Soham case. Like we said, if you want to hear a bit more chat, ask and say if you want to hear some fun stuff.

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