RedHanded - Episode 173 - Keli Lane: What Happened to Baby Tegan? Pt 1

Episode Date: November 12, 2020

Between the ages of 17 and 21 Keli Lane, an elite Australian water polo player, got pregnant 5 times - and somehow managed to keep each pregnancy a total secret for years... But her lies, inconsistencies and cryptic pregnancies all came spilling out in 2001, when a social worker finally noticed that one of her daughters had vanished at just 2 days old. So, what happened to baby Tegan? Merch: www.redhandedshop.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/redhanded Sources and recommendations: Documentaries: Exposed: The Case of Keli Lane (Amazon Prime or Netflix - depending on region) Podcast: Problem Child   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And welcome to Red Handed. If you're listening to this week's Under the Duvet, after this immediately, we recorded that way before the election results came out. So that's why we're still in a state of confusion when you listen to that particular episode. We're just trying to get ahead of the game. But that means that we're sometimes behind the curve and under the duvet. But it's all good news since. It's all good news since. Well, not really.

I mean, it's good news. Like Biden won, but 70 million people still voted for Trump. So he's not going anywhere. I saw an incredible tweet that was like, Trump has 26 allegations of sexual assault. Why do you think he's going to start taking no for an answer now? Exactly. Exactly. And the Republicans were like, we'll just wait and see what happens. And then we'll decide what we actually think. And then they were

like, oh, no, but he got 90% of the Republican vote. So they're just like, no, he's that he's our man. Just because he lost. He he lost by 4 million, but like 145 million people voted so like meh you know swing some roundabouts no he's not going anywhere unfortunately I don't know the answer to this because I don't understand the political American system very well but uh what does anything happen to the leader of the opposition they don't I suppose they don't really have a shadow cabinet like we do no so they it will just be like the House and the Senate, but then they're still elected. So it looks like Biden may not get the Senate that the Republicans will hold on to it, which will mean that he'll be able to do absolutely fuck all. So, you know, let's just wait and see for that

happy day. Anyway, yeah, we just wanted to rectify that so that if you do go listen to Understufe, we do know we do know that Biden won. Don't worry, guys guys I don't want to be Debbie Downer and I understand very people are very happy and it is great news but I think if anyone's thinking this Trumpist brand of politics is going away either here or in America it's just not it's just not and I didn't know this because I didn't remember him saying this but apparently Biden called Boris Johnson our Donald Trump and he doesn't like him. And I was like, well, this is going to be great. Oh no, they really hate each other. The next issue is what's going to happen to our relationship with America now.

Like that's their problem because Biden has been quite vocal about the fact that he thinks Boris is a twat like the rest of us. Yeah, and he doesn't support Brexit at all. And fucking hell, did you see Farage did an interview, it wasn't this morning, but it's some sort of news show where he'd gone over to America and he was like, Donald Trump is my friend. And then apparently Trump introduced Nigel Farage as the king of Europe.

That's not what he wants to be. That's the opposite of what he wants. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's because Trump genuinely doesn't know who he is. He doesn't know what to call him. Yeah, totally, totally. So he's just saying things.

Maybe he thinks he is the king of Europe. Maybe does i mean yeah like maybe i'm giving donald trump too much credit maybe that's what he thinks a nigel farage is who knows but we'll just have to wait and see what happens but britain we have well and truly painted ourselves into the fucking pariah corner haven't we we're just like we're gonna break it because trump's gonna save us oh shit what oh fuck now what we'll see now what we'll see so anyway uh let's leave all that We're going to Brexit because Trump's going to save us. Oh, shit. What? Oh, fuck. Now what? We'll see now what. We'll see. So anyway, let's leave all that behind.

And shall we talk about an absolutely fucking insert your favorite adjective here case? Because I don't really know what to describe this case as. Me either. I've got absolutely no idea. I don't know. Like this case took so fucking long to research and put together that we've had to turn it into two-parter guys. There's just too much. There were like 20 pages of notes. We will just collapse if we try to do that in one part. So this is part one. Stay tuned. And you'll lose interest, honestly, let's face it. You will.

You will lose interest. You won't listen. You'll you'll you know be playing fucking candy crush on your phone looking at the election map still so no we're gonna split it up into two episodes this is part one part two comes out next week stay tuned for that and uh yeah pay attention that's what i'm gonna say so what happens when someone no one has ever met vanishes i wrote that and i was like, that's a good one. Well done, Saruti. And then I was like, okay, I have just written that to be very dramatic. I should probably say, what happens when someone barely anyone has ever met vanishes? Well, today's case is a story of just that.

And of lies, liars, cryptic pregnancies, and the mystery of a missing two-day-old baby. And for all this and more, we're off to Australia, specifically to Sydney's northern beaches, and even more specifically to the town of Manly. Before we kick off though, I do have to say this because we got a lot of messages about it. I don't remember which episode it was. It was in whichever last Australian case that we did. Maybe it was toasty.

I don't know. In an Australian episode we did, we got called out for saying that the Gold Coast is where the Teacher's Pet podcast and the case of Lynette Dawson went down. Whoops. You guys were right. Everybody who messaged us and told us that isn't where it happened. This is where that story happened. It's in Manly on Sydney's northern beaches.

So Manly, if you don't know, is a suburb of Sydney. And it looks to be a very affluent place. It apparently has one of the best beaches in the world, according to various websites and TripAdvisor. It seems to be all very nice restaurants, big houses, boutique shops and good schools. And I've written down here, it's like Cheshire, but on the beach. But I've never been to Cheshire, but all I've ever heard is how nice it is. And I couldn't think of another really middle class suburb that's really nice, because I kept thinking Cheshire.

It's like fine. Oh, okay. Just fine then. It's like Surrey. Yeah, it's like a suburb in Surrey on the beach. That's what it is, I think, from what I've understood. But more beachy, more holiday-ish, more Australian. And in this town, however we're going to describe it, there lived a girl named Kelly Lane.

And from the outside, Kelly was an ordinary local teenager. But in the six years spanning from 1992 to 1999, a series of very bizarre events unfolded in her life. Between the ages of 17 and 21, Kelly got pregnant five times. And unbelievably, it seems that she managed to conceal these pregnancies from everyone that she knew. Even though she was living at home with her parents, going swimming on a regular basis, and having regular sex with boyfriends. Kelly terminated the first two pregnancies, and then she carried the remaining three to term. Of the three babies who were born, she adopted out two.

The other baby, Tegan, vanished two days after she was born. The last person to see Tegan alive was Kelly and to this day, no sign of baby Tegan has ever been found. So what happened to baby Tegan tegan strap in because we are going to try and find out no promises we'll give it our best shot on the 21st of march which is my sister's birthday 1975 kelly lane was born to parents robert and sandra lane the lanes were a very sporty family her dad robert had been the runner-up at the first ever bondi beach surf competition back in the olden times and then he'd gone on to play rugby professionally for the manly

Marlins before settling down to become a police detective. And after he retired from the police, he went back to coaching the Marlins rather than playing. And Kelly's mum Sandy was a local water polo coach, so they were delighted when Kelly got into water polo as well. Kelly was a popular girl. She excelled at school, she was smashing it in sports, and she was known around town as a bit of a golden girl. So by the looks of it, Kelly had it all, and everyone described the Lanes as a happy family.

Though it is hard to know the real truth because one thing that stood out about this case when we started to research it was that very few people who lived in Manly and who knew the lanes and who knew kelly want to speak out about what happened if you watch the documentary that is out there we're going to talk about it in these two parts quite a lot but it's called exposed the case of kelly lane it's on amazon prime you see them trying to sort of ring up people who are in the area at the time and speak to them and people are just like no no no putting the phone. They're not sort of interested in getting involved. And I think it's possibly because the general vibe in Manly

seems to have been quite cliquey. And while maybe it seems counterintuitive, because I'm going to say it's also very gossipy, I think it's because people don't want to be the one who's like being the person who's outing the community secrets to the outside world, if you see what I mean. They all talk about it in and amongst themselves. They just don't want to tell the outsiders about it. And it's the kind of place that just from, you know, a few interactions with the locals there that you

watch in this documentary, you can tell it's the kind of place that everyone knows everyone and everyone knows everyone's business and they're all up in it. And I don't know Manly. I've never even been to Australia. But I think that there is a reason they call Sydney's northern beaches the Insular Peninsula. And I think it's probably not just because it's quite fun to say. Sounds, it is fun to say.

It is fun to say, isn't it? I know that this is incorrect, but I have also never been to Australia. If you want us to come, tell your mates to listen because we can't come with the numbers that we've got at the moment. Precisely.

So it's on you, Australian listeners. Absolutely. Put the work in. Absolutely. Everyone who keeps posting on the Facebook group saying, come to Sydney, come to Melbourne. We'd love to. We'd love to, guys. Tell your friends to listen.

And then we will. Maybe. Exactly. So I think, having not been to Australia, that Australia is split into two kinds of people. And it's people who are like neighbours and people who are like home and away. Okay. And I would wager that these are home and away types, I think. Ah, yes.

I would agree with you. I would agree with you. I think there's a third type of Australian because I have also had the misfortune of watching a few episodes of Australian Love Island. Anna, that was something. Whoa. Oh, God. Why have you done that? I don't know. I thought

basically I really, so I really enjoy Married at First Sight, but of all of the variations, so UK, US, Australia, I enjoy Married at First Sight Australia the most. And so I thought, well, if I have enjoyed Love Island UK in the past, maybe I'll really love Love Island Australia. I didn't. It was horrible. It made me sad. I turned it off. But if you haven't, Hannah, watched Married at First Sight Australia, the most recent season, I would implore you to do so because there was a lot of late nights in bed with me just like pseudocreme,

on face, hair up in a silk wrap watching it in the dark just screaming at my laptop it was very entertaining anyone who has seen it talk to me about Davina what is wrong with that woman anyway we're getting well off track let's get back to this so those who have said something because there are a few of them who have spoken out since do note that Kelly's parents were very strict and that they had super high expectations of their kids. They're like white tiger parents. That's the way that it comes across. It's like in Australia, they call it like the tribal seaside towns.

That's kind of what they're describing as. I feel like it's all very cliquey. It's very insular. Dad plays rugby. That's a big deal. Dad's then a copper. It's all very likey it's very insular dad plays rugby that's a big deal dad's then a copper it's all very like you know you know you know so I feel like they super need Kelly to be like a somebody to be like this golden girl because it reflects upon them massively within this community if you're like a coach of whatever team where professional or not people know who you

are and people know who your kids are within the communities. They're definitely prominent people. Precisely. They are definitely that. They have a very good standing within the community. I thought this was quite interesting because when you read about this case in a lot of places, you'll often see people say that Robert was this big scary guy. So Robert's her dad. Robert Lane is Kelly's dad. That he's this big scary guy who the kids were terrified of and that Lane is Kelly's dad. That he's this big scary guy

who the kids were terrified of and that he was like, you know, the real iron fisted one. Maybe, maybe. But I don't know. I think Kelly's friends say that they were actually much more scared of Sandy, who's Kelly's mum. And when I watched a documentary on this case, again, the exposed one that's on Amazon Prime, I kind of have to agree. But, you know, we're going to come back to this. So, you know, just remember it. I think other people's moms are always scared. Yeah.

Oh, my God. I'm not scared of other people's dads. I'm scared of other people's moms for sure. Especially Sandy Lane. Yeah, I just because you don't know the rule book. But whatever the dynamic within the Lane family was, the Lanes were highly regarded in the local community and it is easy to see why. The dad's not only a coach, he's a former rugby star, a professional player

and a copper and obviously a coach. And rugby is a big deal in that part of the world. And obviously mum's a water polo coach as well, very involved in the community life. Yeah, apparently in this town, they all go to the rugby on a Sunday to support the Manly Marlins. Like it seems like a religion there. Like rugby is it, especially in this particular town. So you can see why as well, like Robert Lane is quite revered in a lot of ways. Our story kicks off properly when Kelly was at the McKellar Girls High School in Manly. In November 1992, at the age of 17, Kelly Lane got pregnant for the first time with her boyfriend, Aaron Tyack.

Kelly was Aaron's first proper girlfriend, his first love, and they spent all of their time on the beach, surfing, partying, carefree, young, love, home and away stuff. And the unplanned pregnancy was a bit of a shock. Don't really understand why, because if you have unprotected sex, that's what's going to happen to you. I know. And this is the thing.

It's like they're always like, everyone's actually like, they're so surprised that this keeps happening. But it's like, apparently the thing is, Kelly admits this as well. And people also say this, that she was, quote unquote, using the pill incorrectly. And just saying to the various like baby daddies that she's like, I'm fine, quote unquote using the pill incorrectly and just saying to the various like baby daddies that she's like I'm fine I'm on the pill but she's apparently not taking it properly so I assume maybe she's just like missing days or not taking it at the same time or whatever else is happening and she just keeps getting pregnant so to be honest like I don't know so like to be as consistently pregnant as she is I don't think she's taking it at all I really don't I don't know what's happening the only

thing I can think for what might be happening here is that Kelly is quite a big drinker she is like she's in the water polo team these girls go fucking hard right is she just getting so drunk that she's sick quite a lot and then that negates the pill i don't know like i have to be a lot sick i know i honestly i don't know i don't i don't know how you can be taking it this incorrectly maybe she's not putting in her mouth like i don't know what's happening she's putting it in her ears like i don't know uh how you can be taking this incorrectly you'd be surprised my mom's friend is a gp and she used to work in a gum clinic not a gum clinic the one like a family planning like let's have a baby or

let's not have a baby not the sexual transmitted disease one anyway and apparently this couple came in and they were talking about the pill. And what should I call her? Dr. Microgynon, who is my mom's friend, said, she was like, so what problems are you having? And this couple, the woman's like, well, you know, like I took it for a bit and that was fine. But then he took it for a bit and he didn't like it. And Dr. Microgynon was like, what? So like some people genuinely don't know.

These people genuinely thought that if the man in the couple took the pill, then that would be okay. What? What? Yes, true story. Facts. Oh my God. Oh my God. These are adult people.

These are adult grown-up people. Oh yeah, these are like functioning adult people with like jobs and a car. No, take it away. Take it away from them immediately what the fuck is happening that's like you know when we were younger and you should read like the fucking sex misunderstandings column in like ms magazine and it would be like kids writing in being like oh can i use a fucking crisp packet as a condom like this they're adults they're adults oh my gosh what else Oh my gosh. What else are you Googling? Why didn't you Google how to use the pill? You know, it's free and it's there and it'll tell you.

Why didn't you listen when the doctor gave it to you and was like, you have to take this every day. While she was looking at the woman. Not him. Maybe that's what GPs need to do. They need to be more explicit. Not him. Not him. Never him. Just you. Oh my God. him you maybe that's what gps need to do they need to be more explicit not him not him never him just you oh my god okay well then maybe maybe now i need to take down my like shockedness about

everything that happens in this case by about tenfold now that you've just told me that story because fuck that's outrageous yeah, so these people exist. So the unplanned pregnancy was shocking, apparently. Kelly told Aaron about the baby and they both decided to keep it a secret. And eventually Kelly decided that she was going to have a termination. According to Aaron, they were both devastated but felt that they were just too young

and figured that this was the right thing to do. So Kelly got on a ferry to Sydney to have an abortion. So there are hospitals nearer to where she lives. Like she doesn't need to get on a ferry to go to Sydney, though apparently it's only about a 20 minute ferry. So it's not like that big a deal. But it's because her mum at one point had worked in healthcare, like possibly even as a nurse. So I think she doesn't want to go to any of the local clinics or local hospitals in the area just in case her mum finds out. So this is the kind of reason for all the ferry trips across.

So sadly, after this, the relationship between Kelly and Aaron started to fall apart. But before it officially ended one year later in November 1993, Kelly was pregnant again. The details of this particular pregnancy though are a bit blurry regarding who exactly the baby's father is. Kelly and Aaron were still sleeping together at this point but she was also sleeping with an older married man and we don't know who this man is because his identity has been protected by the courts. All we do know is that he was married and that he and Kelly were involved for about four months or so. So she's about 18 at this point. And we don't know how much older this guy is or really anything about him. But in 1994, knowing that she was once again pregnant, Kelly got on the ferry to Sydney to go and have another abortion. She was reluctant to go back to the first clinic that she

had used for abortion number one. So Kelly found a different one in the city that she thought would take her. But this time there were some added complications. It turned out that Kelly was much further along in her pregnancy than she had been the first time. She was approximately 20 weeks pregnant and the clinic that she turned up at told her that they couldn't do the procedure there. They were only able to go up to 18 weeks. So they referred Kelly to another clinic who could carry out the later term abortion

and she had the termination the same day. When filling out the paperwork at this clinic, Kelly lied about almost everything except her name. She gave a fake address and phony contact details. And this would go on to become a pattern of behavior for Kelly. She would become pregnant, keep it a complete secret from everyone in her life, never seek any medical help during the pregnancy, and then eventually find a different clinic, hospital, or organization to help her either terminate the pregnancy or adopt out the babies. And I think that later on, as the pregnancies racked up,

Kelly did this to avoid there being a paper trail between the various babies and herself. But I think at the start, it's just down to something that drives, in our opinion, a lot of Kelly's actions, and that thing is shame. In any case, not shamed enough to sort her contraception out though and obviously it takes two to tango and if you're against an abortion get a vasectomy they're reversible and people can get pregnant on the pill if they're taking it correctly it does happen i know people

it's happened to yeah but five times five times you would get an iud and this is is the thing. It's like, yes, it takes two to tango. But like, Kelly, you're the one having to live with the consequences of this again and again. So you've got to protect yourself. Come on. Like, what are we going to do? Let's have a plan. Yeah. And the thing that is really interesting is like, I've never been through this. Right. But I assume that if you go in, especially she's 17, the first time she goes in, she's on her own, turns up to have an abortion the very first time I'm guessing that the people at the abortion clinic are gonna like give you a chat they're gonna give you some options for some contraceptive that's maybe not just the pill because you've you've clearly you know had some difficulties with that I'm just like how in all

of these times has that not stuck with her I I don't know. But I do think there is more psychologically going on, but we're going to come on to that in next week's episode. But I think the shame is a big factor for her. It drives her. But I don't know why it doesn't extend to her just not getting herself in this situation. We're going to talk about it. In any case, the thing to note is,

wherever she went with regards to her pregnancies, Kelly Lane would always give fake details. And this becomes very important as we move through the story. But for now, let's go back to 1994 and Kelly's second termination. Given that she was 20 weeks along, it wouldn't have been an easy procedure for Kelly to have gone through. I don't know how graphic we need to get about this, but obviously the further along you are in your pregnancy, the more invasive the termination procedure becomes. And Kelly herself later said that this termination was extremely traumatic. But after it was over, she went home and still kept the whole thing a secret and tried to move on with her life.

It was then that she met a new guy, Paul. They met at the local rugby club and hit it off straight away. And three months later, by May 1994, Kelly was pregnant again. We're going to say that line so many times, so many times over the course of these next two episodes. But yeah, this is now her third pregnancy in two years. And so again, Kelly hid the pregnancy from Paul. And things weren't really working out with him anyway. And soon Kelly, still pregnant with Paul's baby, started a new relationship with a guy named Duncan Gillies. Again, Kelly had met Duncan through the local rugby team. And just to add more drama to the mix, he was actually teammates with Paul. So at this point, Kelly was in a sexually active relationship with Duncan,

but she was also still sleeping with Paul, and she was pregnant and getting more pregnant by the day. And apparently, neither of them noticed. How? How? Well, I was talking to my sister about this this morning and apparently obviously we're all familiar with the fantastic production that is i didn't know i was pregnant but apparently tall athletic women which kelly is apparently and this is just from my sister so i don't know i'm gonna research it before it before next week and I'll answer my own question next week.

But apparently in tall women, babies can sometimes, like you know when you pick up a cat and they go really long? Apparently babies in tall women can lie like that. Like because they've got more space, they just stretch themselves out because they're taller torsoed. I think so. So I think obviously it's incredibly rare but not impossible for there to be almost no external

signs it is very possible and the thing is obviously Kelly wasn't documenting her baby bump growth there's no like there's photos of her during her pregnancy but she's like you know she's she's hunched over she's wearing like a baggy top like we can't tell we don't know how she was carrying these pregnancies in the documentary exposed uh they interview her mum quite a bit so basically if you haven't watched the documentary i would definitely like urge you to go check it out they are very much like leaning on the side that kelly is uh not guilty and that's their that's very much their narrative but like they're talking to kelly's mum and kelly's mum is um sandy lane is a character i really don't know how else to describe her she's incredibly abrasive she's incredibly flippant Like they're talking to Kelly's mum and Kelly's mum is Sandy Lane is a character.

I really don't know how else to describe her. She's incredibly abrasive. She's incredibly flippant. I do understand that she's you know, her daughter's going through this and she's just a bit defensive. But I'm also like these people are here to help your daughter. Like that's why they're making this documentary. And her mum is like, well, look, because she's very defensive about the fact that she didn't know. Because Kelly's living at home with her parents, right? And they're like, how did you not know?

And they're saying it to be like, give a reasonable explanation. We're not attacking you. Give a reasonable explanation for how you didn't know. And her mum is like, well, she didn't carry it like all those. She's essentially saying she didn't carry it like all those other ugly girls who were like out here and like stretched out. And you can see she carried it very well. And that's how I didn't know. And the fashion at the time was to wear baggy clothes and like I didn't know and then when they like ask her again

later they're like are we going to have to go over every detail and I'm like oh my god lady like you're not asking yourself. Yes it's a documentary. Exactly what did you think this is but yeah we don't know how Kelly carried it but I still find it hard to believe because I feel like also I've never been pregnant, but possibly other parts of your body also change. Not just the belly, but apparently no one noticed. Apparently these men didn't notice. Well, yes. I mean, maybe they didn't notice, but also like, are you going to tell your girlfriend that like she's looking a bit porky? How do you bring that up? Especially if you've only been together for like four months.

Be like, oh, your boobs look different. Yeah, no, fair enough, fair enough. I'm just like... No, it's baffling. Yeah, it's baffling. And like she carries multiple pregnancies. So like I think there are ones later down the line where people definitely noticed.

But apparently with this one, people didn't notice at this point. Or at least these men slash boys didn't notice. Something else worth bringing up at this point as well is the notion of cryptic pregnancies um i hadn't come across this term before we started doing the research on this particular episode but uh it's really quite interesting and apparently there are two different types of cryptic pregnancy one is a concealed pregnancy and the other is a denial pregnancy. So in a concealed pregnancy, as the name very much suggests, the woman knows that she is pregnant, but she chooses to hide it from everyone else. In a denial pregnancy, the woman herself doesn't sort of intellectually know or logically know or at least can't or won't accept that she is pregnant. So there is sort of like a lack of conscious acknowledgement that she's pregnant. And apparently this type of denial pregnancy can usually be

linked to various factors such as a mental illness or a psychiatric condition. And it is exceedingly rare. It's interesting, isn't it? Because like, I'm sure there are situations where periods can continue throughout pregnancy but like also if period chat um if you don't like it suck it up neither of us have them but I wouldn't know I don't have them I in theory I could possibly not know for months yeah I don't know uh yeah absolutely and I'm these days I'm quite bloated a lot of the time so like I just wouldn't know but luckily we've got God's contraception which is exactly which is bloating a lockdown and celibacy hooray oh my god did you see that lady uh on social media who made the t-shirt

California God's own graveyard I loved it after we said it in like some episode and outside it's like yeah lockdown God's own contraceptive there you go exactly like every time i like get a new notification from hinge i'm like come on hinge what's the point what's the point fucking go on break yeah you're on summer holidays exactly Let's all just be on summer holidays. In the dark, in the depth of winter. Yeah. Even better. So what's interesting about Kelly is that she was not in denial.

She knew she was pregnant. So her pregnant were concealment pregnancies. And we know that Kelly knew because Kelly always had her pregnancies confirmed by a doctor. And later, she said that she actively tried to hide her pregnancies. Again, like denial pregnancies, repeated concealment pregnancies are very rare. And so now, pregnant for the third time, Kelly tried as much as possible to carry on as normal. Again, we'll see that this is typical of Kelly's behaviour during her pregnancies. And the baggy clothes aren't quite enough. Kelly carried on partying, drinking, going out with her friends

and continued all of her water polo training and she felt that any deviation from her usual plans would raise questions. Questions that she did not want to face. Water polo is no fucking joke. It's not like croquet like it is hardcore it is so fucking hardcore like uh it's just super super rough it's incredibly demanding and i didn't know really anything about water polo before we did the research on this but did you know the pool that they play in is so deep you can't touch the floor like you can't touch the floor for the entire game so you're treading water it's the rules for the entire time that i did not know that

that's fucking outrageous that is so hard to do like i would just drown that's all that would happen that's so much so like they're treading water the entire time and it's super physical like apparently the players like grab and scratch and push and shove and drag each other around like it's super fucking intense like i she's so pregnant she's so pregnant and she carries on another reason for the concealment apart from drawing attention to herself is i think that kelly this time around desperately wanted to not rock the boat with her new boyfriend duncan duncan was a rising rugby star on the manly scene and he was known around town as a bit of a hot shot. But saying that, she does carry on sleeping with Paul. So she's not able to keep the boat totally still.

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And I feel like it's really indicative of like her lack of paying attention to the consequences of her actions, you know? But yeah, apparently this is happening. They would just like get drunk and she would get off with paul outside the pub while duncan's still inside and i'm like whoa okay and i think this is an unavoidable part of this particular case i think a lot of places that you read about this story or listen to this story um especially like some news media channels and stuff like that they get slammed for slut shaming Kelly. And some of them definitely are slut shaming her. There is no doubt about it. But I do think that we have to acknowledge that she definitely struggled with self-destructive

behaviors, especially when it came to romantic relationships. I'm not saying, oh my God, you dirty slut, because you're like, you know, sleeping with Paul and sleeping with Duncan, having an affair with this married man and doing this, like whatever. But she's, she's like destructing her own life by these actions and making herself unhappy with them. And I think that is something that we do have to point out. And some of her friends do acknowledge this, but a lot of her friends who have spoken to documentaries and stuff since all call her like a serial monogamist. And listened to that and I'm like okay but she does seem to cheat a lot so can you call her a monogamist I don't know I get what they're trying to say I think what they're trying to say is that Kelly really liked being in a relationship and I think

that that is true but I don't think she seems to have been able to have been loyal or consistent with one person in the way that would be most conducive to a happy relationship. And I'm only bringing this up really because I do think it fits a pattern with Kelly's behavior but I also do think that it importantly shows that her friends are willing to whitewash the facts because they all know what she was doing and I think that they're willing to say things or whitewash the facts to make Kelly look better and I do think that is an important um a fact to bear in mind when you watch them speaking about her and by early 1995 Kelly was now six months pregnant and still playing water polo apparently she trained a few times a week and this is just so crazy for me not just

because we talked about you know how rough water polo is. But they're not just like at the beach having a paddle about. She's playing like league level. So there are coaches watching. There are coaches at the pool. And she was six months pregnant. And they say now, those coaches say now that they had no idea. But the other girls, the other teenage girls playing, said that they all knew. So you're telling me that a bunch of teenage girls noticed

that kelly was heavily pregnant but these grown adult coaches didn't and the excuse for how like kelly managed to hide this because she's in a fucking swimming costume six months pregnant right um and they say that she managed to hide it from them because she'd wear a towel around her midriff when she came out of the changing rooms and then she'd slip it off she'd sit down on the side of the pool and then like wiggle her way in and that's why they never noticed bullshit fuck off like absolute nonsense nonsense they played uh games right against other teams and they interviewed one of those coaches and she's like, I knew she was pregnant. I could see she was pregnant. I was like, what are they doing letting this pregnant girl play?

So how are their coaches pretending like they didn't know? It's so baffling. I don't get it. And so at this stage, Kelly, like we said, who's six months heavily pregnant, was training regularly, still going to university and still partying. And like we also mentioned earlier, she was known as a very heavy drinker, even amongst the water polo girls, who by all accounts were a fucking rowdy bunch. In fact, Kelly's nickname was Keg on Legs. So she had a reputation for the drinking. And yeah, like, I don't know. I honestly don't know how she kept

playing water polo while being this pregnant. Like, it blows my mind. She's determined, that's for sure. So, as we said, water polo, absolutely no fucking joke. In fact, a friend of Kelly's that Kelly made play water polo once said she got out of the pool covered in scratches and bruises with her swimming costume torn and she never played again. I have played water polo a couple of times. Really? Oh I didn't know that. Yeah because we had a lot of Australian PE teachers at my school and so I am drastically terrible at sport and my school was a very sporty and very posh school.

So, like, a lot of the England lacrosse squad went to my school. Like, sport is a very big deal. So if you are not very good at sport, in year nine, they section you out of games lessons into, like, the you-can't-play-sport class because we slow down the overachievement. So then instead of doing lacrosse or netball or whatever i was actually really good at netball but um because i was so terrible at lacrosse it wasn't um it wasn't allowed so it's like being in sets one two and three for maths but for something that's not very

important i see so in these uh lessons when the kids who were good at sport were playing lacrosse and netball we would be doing like ludo yes literally and sometimes water polo I think I did a lifeguard course at one particular stage I did first aid you know we just did that so you can be the helpers if something goes wrong with the other kids are playing you can play board games and learn first aid. Yeah, literally that. Literally that. Just doing drills, carrying fucking gurneys around. I love it. That's so funny.

Yeah. Oh my God. So in one of the, we played water polo a few times, which was hell on earth, honestly. It was real. It sounds like it. Fucking hell. Someone's throwing a massive heavy ball at me

while I have to tread water. And then someone else tears my swimming costume off no fucking thanks I mean there was no tearing because being in that particular group of sports meant that none of us cared at all it just meant we had to tread water for about an hour oh my god that is amazing I love it so you don't need to be a seasoned baby haver or attend the baby having guild christmas dinner to know that heavy drinking and extreme physical exertion are not the best things to do during pregnancy particularly later on actually actually just don't drink at all and it's possible a few people have the theory that this behavior was an attempt to miscarry. And that does sort of make sense. Problem Child, the podcast series on this particular case,

spoke to a gynaecologist who worked in Sydney at the time. And he said that there were only three clinics in the city that would have given an abortion without a doctor's reference. And Kelly had already been to all three. So I can believe that she didn't want to go back. Yeah, because although she's only had two terminations at this point, if you remember, she went to one of them and they said that they couldn't do it. So she had to go to another one. So she's been to all three. They have her name on file at all three. So I think she's just like the shame, the shame thing again,

she doesn't want to go back to them. So I can believe, yeah, that she's trying to possibly terminate the pregnancy in a more passive way without her actively having to get on that ferry and go do it herself again. Exactly. So she just carried on. And on the 18th of March 1999, just days before her 20th birthday, and also just days away from her due date, Kelly played in the finals of a water polo tournament in Balmain. After the game, the team, including Kelly, went out on the lash. But her friends noticed that at 10pm, Kelly vanished. That wasn't like her at all, so it stood out. But Kelly hadn't got much choice. Her waters had broken and she'd gone into labour at the pub. So she had quietly slipped out and taken herself off to hospital.

It's so nightmarish, like what's happening. Oh, 100%. Apparently my mum went into labour with me when she was at a wedding. Oh, God. Because I was like 10 days late or some shit. So she was like, when she agreed to go to this wedding, she thought that I would already exist, but I was taking my time. So she was like sat there, like digging my dad in the ribs

being like, we need to go now. And it was obviously a Catholic wedding which are so fucking long. I had to get up and leave. Oh my God. That is so traumatic. I feel like if I ever get pregnant, I'm going to be like the month before I'm due.

We're just going to be like, we just have to sit outside the hospital. We're going to sit in the car park outside the hospital, just in case. So when Kelly made it to the hospital from the pub, just like she had done with the terminations, Kelly lied to the staff about absolutely almost everything. She told them that she was from Perth, which she wasn't. She said that she was just in Sydney for a few days and had gone into labour.

She also told them that her doctor and her gynaecologist were back in Perth, again also a lie. Kelly hadn't been to a doctor once during her entire pregnancy, except for when she had it confirmed. And again, Kelly gave fake contact details and made up an address in Perth. Perth is fucking miles away from Sydney. Like, it is, like, days, days, days driving. Yeah.

Every lie that she tells, and we will come on to this later, she lies like on something that just recently happened or someone that she knows or someone she's just met. So she's lying and saying it's in Perth because they had like gone to a water polo tournament there a few months back. And she's just thinking about Perth. So she says she's from there. And possibly because she's been there, she knows a street name that she can convincingly reel off. She's very like, she doesn't just pull stuff out of nowhere, which again becomes very important later. Kelly also filled out the form stating that Duncan Gillies was the father,

even though she was pretty sure Paul was actually the father. So the following day on the 19th of March 1999, Kelly gave birth to a baby girl. And the hospital were, I would would say probably rightly quite on edge about Kelly anyway she looked so young and she was also all alone not one person came to visit her there wasn't one phone call there wasn't anything ever that came because she says everyone's back in Perth I was here on my own for some reason around about my delivery time and I went into labour on my own which in and of itself doesn't really make much sense. But they especially started to worry when Kelly started to freak out soon after the baby was born. Because remember, this is her first live baby that she's delivered.

She's been pregnant three times, but the first two were terminations. So the hospital called in a social worker and Kelly told this social worker that she wanted to put this baby up for adoption as soon as possible. She said it was because she was a water polo player who was going to go to the Olympics and so the social worker asked Kelly to choose an adoption agency and they started the ball rolling. Kelly also told the social worker that she really needed to leave the hospital the following day without the baby. She said that she would come back but that she just needed one day out and she said that this was so she could go and speak to the baby's father about the adoption. This was, according to the hospital, highly unusual. They don't normally let people do this but the next day they agreed and gave Kelly a day pass out

and they kept the baby in the hospital nursery. But of course Kelly wasn't going to discuss any adoption business with either Duncan or Paul. It was her 20th birthday and Kelly had a party to get to. And so now having successfully had the baby in total secrecy Kelly needed this adoption to happen fast but I don't think that she realized at all just how hard this process was going to be. On the 3rd of April 1995, Kelly made her first visit to the adoption centre. And I genuinely think she thinks that she'll just go over, sign a few papers, tell them a few stories, and that they'll just take the baby and she can go back to her life.

But immediately things started to go wrong. The agency were adamant that Duncan, who, like we said, Kelly had listed as the baby's dad, had to come and sign some papers. Like, obviously, if they're saying that we know who the biological father is, obviously they're saying the biological father has to sign away, you know, has to sign consent, has to give consent for this baby to be adopted. But Kelly repeatedly tried to convince them that Duncan and her had actually now broken up and that he didn't want to be involved in any way. The agency did their best to try and find Duncan and contact him, but Kelly had given them all of his wrong details,

all of his wrong addresses, everything, and they got nowhere. And Kelly just kept insisting that she couldn't help them because they weren't speaking anymore and that he didn't want to be involved. So this basically plays out like this for 14 months. And eventually after this, baby number one was finally adopted. But before this adoption was finalised towards the end of 1995, Kelly was pregnant again. I feel like I would have so much more of an understanding of this case if I had like a fly on the wall moment when she finds out she's pregnant again.

I want to know what that reaction in her is. Is it like, oh my God, I cannot believe I've done this again? Or is it like, oh, well, like I don't know. I need to know that and I don't. And that's why I'm having trouble, I think. I really, really, I wish I could tell you. I have spent the whole of last week, including this weekend, immersed in this case, reading and watching and listening to everything I could tell you. I have spent the whole of last week, including this weekend, immersed in this case, reading

and watching and listening to everything I could possibly find. In the exposed documentary, Kelly is involved. She's speaking on the phone. She's speaking on the phone to them. So like she's there to tell her story. And she still says, I don't know why I did it. I don't know what I was doing. So she can't even tell us what her feelings were about this.

It is utterly baffling. Hannah and I on this show, we spend a lot of our time trying to understand the motivations of people who commit some of the most extremes of human behaviour. I do not understand this. I really don't. Baffled. This time, time number four, it's very difficult to know who the baby's dad is because Kelly really fudges the date. And it's generally just very confusing because although she and Duncan were still together, she admitted to sleeping with other men on nights out. During this pregnancy, just like the last time, Kelly carried on as normal. She kept partying, going to school and having sex with Duncan. She also had a brief fling with a man called Corey,

who was an Ironman champion. She likes him fit. Yeah, I feel like that's such an unnecessary detail, but I watched a documentary, he's in there talking about it, and it just says, Corey, whatever his surname is, Ironman champion. I was like, all right, all right, fair enough, I'll write it down. Yeah, she really likes the sporty guys. I almost feel like there's a weird thing with Kelly of like,

not a status thing necessarily, but maybe a bit. Like she likes guys who are champions. I'm not going to say obsessed with Duncan Gillies, but Duncan Gillies is out of her life like reasonably halfway through this whole situation. But he is a constant name that pops up again and again and again out of Kelly's mouth. I think it's because he was seen as a bit of a stud. He was seen as a bit of like the most desirable bachelor, if you will. Can you call a teenager a bachelor? You know what I mean? Like the young guy on town that everybody wants, you know, big dick on campus, whatever it is. And I think that's what motivates her. That's what drives her towards these guys. But it still doesn't explain the pregnancies. I do not get that that at all and she's not doing it to try and trap anybody because she never fucking tells anybody

so it's not even that but and no she never tells anyone and yet again everyone is claiming in the documentary that he had no idea kelly was pregnant but i just don't i just don't believe that i know and we are backed up on that because some of Kelly's old friends did know and apparently rumours were circulating and everyone was talking about this behind Kelly's back. And her friends now say that they desperately wish that they'd spoken to her about it. Some fucking friends. I cannot imagine any single one of, like, my friends.

If I, like, spotted that they looked a bit pregs I would have a word I would not ignore that I know it's it's again it's another thing that is very baffling it's Kelly's behavior but it's also everyone else's behavior around her that enabled all of these weird things to happen honestly there's they've been so many times not so many times but there have been times where my friends are just feeling a bit weird or like having a bit of a vom and I'm always just like well let's just do two pregnancy tests just to rule it out that's my first port of call exactly absolutely let's just check better safe than pregnant let's know let's have it we on the stick exactly yeah and always do two tests ladies one is not enough be sure absolutely sponsored by clear blue be safe be sure don't be pregnant

so they the friends get around this uh total lack of being there for kelly by saying that she was very combative and if you tried to talk to her about anything she'd become very defensive and push you away so she obviously doesn't want to talk about it and i do think it's interesting because in the podcast they make a good point so if you guys haven't listened to the Problem Child podcast on the Kelly Lane case, I would definitely recommend it. It's very much erring on the side that she absolutely did do everything that she becomes accused of. Go listen to it. They've done very good research on it. And in there, they make a good point that Kelly in the documentary says when her friends say, you know, that they wish that they desperately spoken to her about it. says yeah no one was there for me no one asked me not one person cared to ask me my friends are like but you were so like

prone to rages if we ever crossed a line with her so we kind of feel like she doesn't she doesn't take a lot of responsibility she kind of does like to blame other people it's like her friend's fault for not asking and I'm like but Kelly, you could have told them, you know? I don't know. It's hard because we don't know them. So it's hard to know, like, the actual dynamics of the group. But yeah, interesting to point out that she does like to shift the blame a bit. By September 1996, Kelly was almost full term and she was starting to get worried. During the later stages of her pregnancies, Kelly would often step back from social activities.

But this time, she had a wedding of a close friend coming up. She knew that if she wasn't there or if she turned up heavily pregnant, the jig would be up. And so, with the wedding set for the third week of September, Kelly decided that although she wasn't due yet, she needed to give birth the weekend before so that she would have a week to recover and get the adoption process started.

So what we're starting to see here is like Kelly literally managing this pregnancy like a logistical plan. She's like, I've got this wedding to get to. If I have the baby a week before, gives me some time to sort some shit out, get back into that dress I want to wear to the wedding. Bing, bang, bong. You know, she's like thinking about it so like logistically. Bing, bang, baby. Bing, bang, bong. You know, she's like thinking about it so like logistically. Bing, bang, baby. Bing, bang, baby. That should just be the name of the episode. Kelly Lane. Bing, bang, baby. So as Kelly always did, she got in her own car and she drove herself to Ride Hospital.

Now, Ride Hospital is a different hospital to the one that she used with baby number one, because like we know, Kelly doesn't like going back to the same hospital, the same clinic or the same organization. She likes to keep them separate. And my understanding is possibly, and I'm going, I have asked my Australian friend to give me all the details on this and she's going to get back to me. We'll have it in time for next week's episode. But I believe that it's somewhat like the American system in that if you go to different hospitals I don't think your files like follow you around so if you go to a different place and just tell them whatever the fuck you want they're just gonna have to take your story as a fact so she goes to Ride Hospital on Saturday morning to be

induced once again Kelly gave a fake address fake numbers and fake details about her partner but when this hospital found out that Kelly was only 38 weeks pregnant, because obviously they were going to do like a scan, a check before they just induced her. And given that a normal pregnancy can be anywhere between 37 weeks and 42 weeks, they decided that she wasn't ready to be induced and they sent her back home. But Kelly had that wedding to get to and she wasn't about to give up. And so three days later, she went back to Ride Hospital begging for the induction. She now said that she was in serious back pain and just begged them to do it.

But once again, they said no. So Kelly decided this hospital isn't going to give me what I want. They're not going to play ball. So she picked a different hospital and rocked up now saying that she was actually weeks overdue, even though we know that she's absolutely not. And she said that she was in agony and that she needed to be induced. And obviously this is a lie because Tegan, who she is pregnant with at this point, wasn't due until the end of September. And the way that Kelly manages to like get them to not even do an ultrasound or a scan, she says that she was going to have a home birth. And she said that her

midwife was going to turn up any minute with the scans, with all of the plans, everything. They just needed to induce her because she's in so much pain. And somehow she managed to convince the hospital to induce her. And on the 12th of September, Kelly Lane was induced and just hours later she gave birth to another baby girl, Tegan Lee Lane. But this time Kelly suffered a complication, something called placenta accreta. Now I didn't actually know what this was before but according to the Mayo Clinic, placenta accreta is a serious pregnancy condition that occurs when the placenta grows too deeply into the uterine wall. Typically, the placenta detaches from the uterine wall after childbirth,

but with placenta accreta, part or all of the placenta remains attached. So Kelly had to have an operation to have it removed. During this entire ordeal, Kelly lost a litre of blood. And the hospital noticed when they removed her placenta that it was calcified. And there are various reasons that this can happen,

like the baby being... Various reasons that this can happen. But one of the reasons can be heavy drinking during pregnancy. And I think with Kelly, that's probably what it was. I know people who've had this placenta accreta

thing and it is fucking horrible like you are so ill because like if you think about it it's like it's dead tissue inside you that you can't get out and it's rotting right like it is it makes you so fucking ill like it's serious fucking business I can't I just find it so difficult to talk about all that kind of stuff because I've got endo you guys know like I've talked about it before on the show and have you seen that body form ad that it's like period horror stories and it's like showing all these like it's just snapping between shots and videos of like various things and one of them is of a girl who's clearly had a laparoscopy and she's peeling the plasters back and showing like where the incision was and I was like that's what I had and I like have the scars of it and honestly it just makes me double over because I feel like that part of my body is so just it's

like too much I can't cope with this and so when I was reading about placenta accreta I was like no no no no thanks no thank you and she's not even doing this to keep the babies that's what the weirdest thing is that she's putting herself through this to not even have the baby at the end which is what i don't understand um also one of my friends recently told me that she's going to eat her placenta after she gives birth no no yep no yep and she said it in such who was it it's danielle i'm just gonna say it because she deserves to dan able to die. Yep. And she said it in such a casual way. She was like, oh, would you not?

I'm like, fuck, no. And Danielle is like basically a vegan. And I was like, so you'll eat your own tissue. Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no. Ladies, have any of you eaten your placentas? I would really like to know. How common is this

oh i don't care how much fucking iron is in there chuck it in the bin if there's a whole iron man in there i'm still not fucking eating it exactly i've got some fucking ferroglobin i'm fine chuck it in the bin i don't want it just keep it in a little tupperware box in your fridge. Oh my God. I can't. Someone I know who gave birth recently had fibroids and she gave birth to her son and then the fibroid that was bigger than the baby. I've seen a picture of it in a bucket. It's fucking huge. I've collapsed.

I'm on the floor. She actually, she really fully turned away from the video camera. I can't. I can't video camera i can't i can't oh my god oh just too much it was like when i first found out i had endo it was because i was like taken to a and e uh the cyst was six inches big that was inside me and i was like six inches that's like fucking that inside me what sort of fruit fruit is that? I don't know. A mango. Oh my God, gross. Jesus.

Anyway, let's get off this topic before I fucking have a hot flash and pass out. Let's move on before Cerruti passes out. Okay, Kelly. In Kelly's ideal world, which is obviously a fantasy land, Kelly wanted to adopt out baby Teagan like the previous baby. But she also knew that it would take way too long for her to deal with all of that right now because she's already done it once. And presumably we don't know the name of baby number three because of legal reasons because it is alive and living a life.

Yep. So Kelly, in classic Kelly style, had not made any plans or even spoken to an adoption agency yet. And she knew that if she started that process, she'd be tied up for days filing out paperwork and speaking to social workers. And her friend's wedding was the very next day. And she'd already promised to meet Duncan at her parents' house in Fairlight at 3pm.

So she needed to get out of that hospital pretty sharpish. So on the 14th of September, she got the midwives to start the process of her discharge. She didn't have a choice this time. She'd have to take baby Teagan with her. And this next bit becomes a very contentious part of the entire case. So pin back your ears. Kelly Lane said that she filled out all of the forms and the doctors and the nurses did their relevant checks and she left after being officially signed out. Her story about

what happened immediately after changes a few times so let's just focus on what we know for sure. Kelly left the hospital on the 14th of September. She stopped at Duncan's house to pick up some clothes and then by 3pm she was in Fairlight at her parents' house ready to meet Duncan. They got dressed together and went to the wedding. Kelly's seen on the wedding videos and in photographs and it looks like she got there at about four o'clock in the afternoon. At the wedding Kelly looks calm, she looks happy and she's casually joking about. It doesn't really look like someone who's just had a major fucking surgical procedure. No and guys in case you've like not kept up with the dates she has baby tegan on the 12th this is on the 14th two days after giving

birth and having fucking surgery she's here and not only is she here she's wearing a white suit that is fucking brave right let's. Firstly, wearing white after all the things that have happened, but also can you wear white suits to a wedding? Is that allowed? I don't know. I don't think I've been to enough. It's, I mean, it's not far off turning up in a fucking wedding dress, honestly. You can't wear white to someone else's wedding. You just can't. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Why is she wearing white at this wedding? Also, she's just had a gynecological surgery.

Oh, God. Where she lost a litre of blood. You cannot be okay yet, Kelly. You can't. It's impossible that she is okay. But this is what she was willing to put herself through to maintain the facade. Because in the documentary where she's talking about it, she's like, I had already been avoiding Duncan for a few days before because I was fucking about to give birth.

And she's like, and my parents were at this wedding and everyone who knows everyone is at this wedding. And if I wasn't there or I turned out pregnant, everyone would know. So it's like she is willing to get herself out of a hospital, get herself showered, dressed, makeup on at this wedding, just so no one would know. It is wild. I'm amazed she can even walk, to be honest. I think I will be probably on bed rest for a year before and after I have a baby, if that ever happens.

Like, there's just no chance but Kelly pulls it off because no one was any the wiser and as far as we know nobody ever saw Tegan Lee Lane ever again so after this again Kelly tried to carry on with her life as normal a few weeks after Tegan's birth Kelly even started working as a coach and PE teacher at a very prestigious girls' school called Ravenswood. Something worth mentioning here is that Kelly lied pretty seriously to get this job. She claimed to have a degree, even though she'd never finished university. And when she fills in her degree on the CV to give them, she even gives herself like honours. She goes like well above and beyond the

lie for someone who doesn't even have the qualification she's claiming to. And she also didn't have any teaching qualifications even though she gave herself again outstanding credentials on her CV. But if things were looking up now that you know the babies are done, the babies are gone, whatever has happened to Tegan, she's got this great new job, things weren't going to last long. Because in early 1998, Duncan Gillies broke up with Kelly. And despite training hard for it, later that year, Kelly also missed out on the opportunity to be selected for the Australian female water polo Olympics team. Sydney was going to have the Olympics and it was going to be the first time ever that women's water polo was going to be included. So it's like it's it's the one, isn't it?

If you're an Australian water polo, female Australian water polo player, but she doesn't get picked. And so it was in 1998 with her national dreams of water polo gone and Duncan gone. A 24 year old Kelly started another relationship with a man named Adam Howard. And you get absolutely no prizes for guessing what I'm about to say next. Because within months, by August that year, Kelly was pregnant for the fifth time. I've shocked myself and I knew I was gonna say that but her and Adam didn't last and they broke up soon after and again of course she never told him or anyone about the pregnancy in February 1999 Kelly went to an abortion clinic in Brisbane which is like I looked it up it's about an hour's flight

from Sydney so this point she's like used up all of the abortion clinics in Sydney. She can't use the ones more local. So she gets on a flight and goes to Brisbane in order to have an abortion, just so she doesn't have to face the same clinic people again. At this clinic, however, they discovered that she was 25 weeks pregnant. This is the other thing. If she knows she's going to have an abortion, why does she wait so long? This is the other thing that I don't understand's going to have an abortion, why does she wait so long? This is the other thing that I don't understand. Because we know that she finds out quite early on. She always gets it confirmed by a doctor, but she always waits until it's like so difficult for her to have it done. So yeah, they find out she's 25 weeks pregnant and they refuse to give her an abortion. And so Kelly had to just come home.

And she had a choice now. She could go back to the abortion clinic in Sydney that had performed the termination on her a few years back. Because remember, back then she was around the same length of pregnancy. So she knows that there is an abortion clinic in Sydney that would have given her the termination at 25 weeks. But Kelly just didn't want to go back there. She didn't want them to know that she was pregnant again. So she just stayed pregnant and carried on as normal. And again, just like with Tegan, Kelly didn't arrange anything for an adoption.

In May 1999, Kelly went to the Wright Hospital and gave birth to a baby boy. And remember, she's going back to the Wright Hospital because she didn't actually give birth there to Tegan. She went there twice trying to get induced, but they turned her away. So she thinks it's okay to go there to give birth to this baby. And then the following day, after this baby boy was born, Kelly made contact with an adoption agency. But Kelly had made a huge mistake.

Because like we said, if you remember, Kelly went to ride twice to get herself induced when she was pregnant with Tegan. And eventually went somewhere else because they wouldn't do it. But because she had been there trying to get induced, there were files on record at Ride Hospital of those visits. And I think Kelly didn't think that that was going to be the case. And now they also had records of this birth. The third baby had been delivered at ride and now these records of this baby's birth were attached to the file all in kelly's name that

included that a few years back she had been there trying to get induced for another baby everyone with me cool so when they asked her about the other baby because you know she turns up and they're like oh we saw you came here before to try and get induced. What's happened to that baby? She's like, oh, yeah, that baby's fine. It's at home. Obviously, this is a lie. Once again, Kelly gave fake details and contacts.

She said that Duncan Gillies was the dad, even though she wouldn't have seen him in months by the time she even conceived this baby. And then she left the hospital and the baby was put into foster care. This adoption agency now tried desperately to contact Duncan Gillies with absolutely no luck. Kelly lied and lied and lied about where he was, saying that he was overseas in London

and that she didn't have any contact with him. She also said that he was becoming abusive and angry and if the agency kept trying to contact him, it would just get worse. So she begged the adoption agency to just leave him out of it. Again, all of this. Total lie. She knows exactly where he is and she hasn't seen him in ages.

The adoption agency eventually stopped being able to even reach Kelly. When she repeatedly failed to answer their calls, they went to the address she had given them. It was Duncan's old place, and the new tenants living there said they didn't know Kelly and that she certainly didn't live there. And so, by July 1999, the adoption agency had had enough and they called the DOCS, the Department of Community Services, which if you've seen the Babadook, that's the people who show up at the door when the kid doesn't go to school.

So before anybody tells us, I know that people still refer to it as DOCS, but the name of the department has actually changed. But this is how they refer to it in all of the stuff. So that's what we're going to stick to. And Kelly's case was given to a social worker named John Borovnik, and John, in our opinion, is the real fucking MVP of this entire situation. If it hadn't been for him, Tegan Lane may never have been flagged as a missing person.

But before we move forward, let's go over the timelines of Kelly's pregnancies again very swiftly. One, in 1992, at the age of 17, Kelly has a termination. Two years after that, in 1994, at the age of 18, she has another termination. Three, in 1995, at 19, she had baby number one. This baby was a girl and she was adopted. And because it's going to get a bit confusing now, let's decide to call this baby Claire. Four, in 1996 at 21, Kelly had baby Tegan and she is at this point unaccounted for. Five, then in 1999 at the age of 24, Kelly has her third baby. She tries to get this baby adopted. This baby was also a boy. And again, we don't know his real name, so we're going to call him Philip.

So when John was given this case, he was a super inexperienced social worker. He'd actually only been in his new position for two weeks. But he spotted almost immediately that something was very wrong here. So John's first move was to call Wright Hospital in Sydney, where Kelly's son Philip, the one who had just been born and that she was trying to have adopted, was delivered. During this call, the hospital also asked John about Kelly's visits in 1996 when she had been trying to get induced. They asked John if he knew that in 1996 Kelly had been 40 weeks pregnant.

He did not. So John then rang Doc's adoption branch to find out if the caseworker had any information about the baby that had been born in 1996. So this would have obviously been Tegan. To which the caseworker had said, quote, Oh, are you talking about the baby in 1995? Which would have been Kelly's first baby girl, Claire, who was, of course, legally adopted. To which John replied what baby in 1995 I'm talking about the baby in 1996 and the caseworker now totally confused said what baby in 1996 what baby indeed and that guys is where we are going to leave it today because there's a whole

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