RedHanded - Episode 33 - Oscar Pistorius & Reeva Steenkamp: The Valentine's Day Murder

Episode Date: February 15, 2018

In the early hours of Valentine's Day 2014, 29 year old model Reeva Steenkamp was shot to death by her partner; South African Olympic sprint runner and double amputee, Oscar Pistorius. He still claims that it was a tragic case of mistaken identity, but the forensics and the messages Reeva left before her death tell a very different story.   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Hannah. Welcome to Red Handed. And today we're talking about the murder of Reva Steenkamp. So in the early hours of Valentine's Day 2014 in Pretoria, South Africa, the police were called to the luxury gated community of Silverwoods where 29-year-old model Reva Steenkamp had been shot to death. Was it premeditated murder or just a tragic case of mistaken identity? Whatever had happened, despite the fact that this story made headlines all over the world,

it wasn't Reva's name that most people remember, but the name of the man who killed her, Oscar Pistorius. But there was so much more to Reva. And I've been thinking about this quite a lot, actually, because when it's such a famous case and when you think about it, you think of her being pretty.

You don't think of anything else to do with her. It's such a two-dimensional projection of her, I think, in being pretty you don't think of anything else to do with her it's such a two-dimensional projection of her I think in most things you find on this but there really was so much more to her like yes she was beautiful and a model but she was super smart and really driven she'd been pursuing a career in modeling and tv but she was also a law graduate who had finished in the top 10 of her class at law school. Reva was also really passionate about empowering women and used her newfound fame to speak out against rape and violence against women.

And in fact, the day after she was killed, she was meant to go to a school to speak to the children about abuse against women and girls. And in South Africa, there are some really, really shocking statistics that show that one in every four women is physically abused by her partner, and every six hours a woman is killed by her current or former partner. That is astonishing. It really is. The worst thing about it is this tragic irony

of a woman who intended to make her life's work in a country where domestic abuse and murder is endemic being murdered by South Africa's national hero. This is what makes it such a compelling and infuriatingly sad story. Before we get into the case I think it's really important to understand just who Oscar Pistorius was and the nature of his relationship with Riva Steenkamp. Now Oscar Pistorius was born on the 22nd of November 1986 with fibula hemolela in both his legs. It's basically a congenital absence of the fibula. When he was 11 months old, his legs were amputated halfway between his knees and his ankles. But Oscar never let this disability stop him. And despite what he would go on to do, throughout his life, he was incredibly driven. He went on to become an Olympian sprint runner,

nicknamed the Blade Runner because of the prosthetics he wore. He was a figure of inspiration all over the world. And after becoming a four-time Paralympic champion, at the 2011 World Championships in Athletics, Pistorius became the first amputee to win a non-disabled world track medal. Pistorius made Olympic history when he became the first double leg amputee to participate in the Olympics. I mean, those are, they are incredible achievements. That's incredible. It's incredible.

Imagine like having both your legs below the knee amputated when you were 11 months old. I'm sure he spent his entire start of his life being told he couldn't do things, but he went on to participate, not just in the Paralympics, the olympics against you know fully able other athletes and he still he still prevailed we'll talk about this but it goes on to show what kind of a person he was because he certainly wasn't taking no for an answer and so here you have this charismatic and he was good looking yeah hero looking Hero. Of course he was revered.

I'm sure he still is good looking. He's not dead. After London 2012, the rest of his life was set. He was an A-list celebrity with famous friends. He had endorsements from the hottest brands like Nike and more money than he could have ever imagined. And this is when he met Riva Steenkamp. And as you can imagine, the media just went mad for them.

They were a super hot couple. I would liken this to like Posh and Becks, like the obsession with them as like a power couple. Do you really think it was that much of a... This is where it was heading. This is where I think it would have headed had this not happened. But Pistorius was a very different man in public to who he was in private. And the truth about the couple's relationship was troubling, to say the least. Because theirs was a short but very intense relationship. Absolutely classic in cases of domestic violence murders is the whirlwind romance. And Pistorius was very controlling. He was an aggressive narcissist who made everything about him. And in just the four months the two

had been together i always forget it was such a short relationship i in my head i always think that they've been together for years and it's not it's four months and he had imposed a seemingly never ending list of rules upon reaver and the text between the two of them that were examined in court revealed a man obsessed with control and there are just so many text exchanges that we could go into where he accuses her of being promiscuous and sleeping around, of doing drugs. He says, you know, you were sleeping around before we were together and he starts to question if she'd really changed now that they were a couple. And in her replies, it's so telling.

She constantly has to defend her character. She replies with things like i'm not a liar i'm not a stripper i'm not a hoe and what's really interesting is that the words that she uses in her text she puts in quotes like bitch chick and hoe to me that really indicates that it's clearly the language that he's using when he talks about her and he talks about women it's not words that she wants to use and i think it's really clear that Pistorius has a real, like, Madonna-whore complex towards women. The entitlement to question her. And again, as you said, don't forget by the time he's accusing her, they'd only been together for a couple of months because a murder happened when they were together for four months. The double standards is completely

infuriating because, by all accounts, he was certainly busy using his fame to put it all around town it's astonishing isn't it to be like oh well before we were together you were this type of person but it was only it was like a few weeks ago you can't expect an enormous change in a person when you've only been together no but what he's saying because she replies when he says that with i was never a prude but i wasn't a stripper or a hoe quote quote she's not saying yes I was really sleeping around with everybody she was just like I had fun I did what I wanted I'm a young woman he's saying I can't be with you I'm struggling to be with you because I can't stop having thoughts that you're sleeping around that you were really slaggish before it's

not even the issue that she needed to have changed he's just insanely obsessed with the fact this madonna hall complex are you pure and virginal and worthy of being with me even though i definitely sleep around or are you quote unquote this slag like i think that's the problem best example of pistorius's control is from this incident that took place shortly before reba's murder when she texts him saying today was one of my best friend's engagements. I was enjoying myself and wanted to stay longer, but that's over now. You've picked on me incessantly since you got back from Cape Town, and I understand you're sick, but it's nasty, and what you're doing to me is nasty. I was not flirting with anybody today. I feel sick that you suggested that, and you made a scene at the table

and made us leave early, terribly disappointed with the day and the way you left me. This, I think, shows she is trying to reason with him. Like, that comes across to me of being like, your behaviour has upset me. This is why I am upset. This is what I need you to change. But Pistorius is just not gonna respond to that because I think I think it probably is fair to say that he definitely has psychopathic tendencies here I think we do see that throughout the case and I don't think that Reva realized that he didn't really see her as a person he saw her as a thing that he possessed and when she stepped out of his box for her in any way that was completely unacceptable and like for example there are just so many many

examples of when he puts these rules upon her and tries to control her and for example there's one time that they talk about where they were in a friend's car and reva innocently said to change the music because it was a shit song and when they got home oscar totally fucking lost it with her he freaked out screaming at her, how dare you, I'm the one that asked him to put that song on. She had humiliated him and he couldn't have that and he couldn't stand it. It's really, really just classic, classic control. More texts from Reva give us insight into how their relationship really operated. She messaged him saying, I do everything to make you happy and to not rock the boat. You make me happy 90% of the time, She messaged him saying, Again, bitches in quotations, it's a word.

I can just hear him saying, oh, you're just another one of these bitches trying to kill my vibe. Why won't you just fall in line? And the idea that she is texting him within a few months of this relationship saying, I do everything to make you happy and not rock the boat. That isn't the sign of a healthy relationship. No. Walking around on eggshells, worrying about what you say that might set this person off. But I really think that's what this paints a picture of. Something that people find hard to understand maybe with this case is that he never hit her. She never accuses him of hitting

her. But I just think he doesn't need to. In a domestic abusive relationship, what the abuser wants is control. And if he's already getting the control he needs by the way that he's behaving, without having to hit her, he doesn't need to. Again, we come back to this. Pistorius is just a man so used to getting his way. He's a man that overcame huge adversity. And I think he just wasn't used to taking no for an answer from anybody. And I think for Reva like the relationship really was a total head fuck. It is really hard to get your head around that she was smart and she knew all about domestic violence like that was what she was setting out her life's work was raising awareness about domestic violence and abusive relationships so when she finds herself in one it is really quite hard to understand why she stayed but we see this all the time

recognizing that you're in an abusive relationship is quite difficult i think like your intelligence or your knowledge of the issue can be totally eclipsed by the intensity of an abusive relationship and you know in reva's own words she said said, you know, 90% of the time, it's great. And they were infatuated with each other. And you do see that. And I do think that you can never, as an outsider, you can never really know what someone else's relationship is like because you're not there all the time.

Like, it's, you know, fact is, like, Pistorius is super manipulative and charismatic, so you don't actually have to be stupid or weak to end up in an abusive relationship and not realize it like it can happen to absolutely anyone definitely and i think look at the profile of who he was he was a national hero he was incredibly athletic he'd overcome so much in his life there's no way and he was really good looking those are things that anyone would look for in a partner they're incredibly attractive characteristics and like you said he was charismatic and manipulative and i think i think we can't undermine the spark and the chemistry that would have been there that would have gone some way

to eclipsing the level of abuse maybe in reva's mind about what was actually happening so within four months of this relationship starting reva was was dead. And to this day, Pistorius claims that it was a tragic accident. But whatever happened that night, there was no doubt that Pistorius had shot and killed Reva Steenkamp. So he was arrested 381 days after the murder. And on the 3rd of March 2014, in Pretoria, the trial of Oscar Pistorius began. Now, Pistorius insisted, and his defence was built on the premise that it was a tragic accident. But while the prosecution's case was that Pistorius was guilty of murder in the first degree, so the timeline was outlined in court. On the 13th of February 2013, Reva drove to Oscar's house at Silverwoods, and just before

6pm, Reva was caught on CCTV at the gates to Oscar's house chatting to the guards. And 10 minutes later, Pistorius arrived in his white BMW. Now the following account is Oscar's version of events that he gave in court. By 10pm that night, Oscar said that the couple had eaten and that they were getting ready for bed. He said that he'd taken off his prosthetics and was watching TV while Reva did some yoga. Pistorius said that it was a hot night and the air conditioning in his room was broken, so he'd opened the balcony doors in the bedroom, and put two fans outside to draw the cool air in.

They had then gone to bed. He said he then woke up in the early hours of February 14th, because it was absolutely boiling in the room. He said as he sat up in bed, he saw that the fans were still running, and the balcony door was still open, and the lights were off. He said then Reva rolled over to him, and asked him if he couldn't sleep. He said they kissed but then he got out of bed

and went to go get the fans from outside. He then turned around when he heard a noise like a window opening in the bathroom. So he grabbed his gun from his bedside table and shouted for Reva to call the police. And he ran over to the bathroom on his stumps because he wasn't wearing his prosthetics because he was in bed. He said he was now stood outside the bathroom door and he was terrified. He thought an intruder was in the house hiding in the bathroom and that they were going to attack him. He said he stood there a while but couldn't be sure exactly how long. He then heard another noise coming from inside the bathroom and terrified that someone was coming out to attack him. Before he knew it he had fired four shots. He said he then ran back into the bedroom to look for Reva but she wasn't there

and unbelievably he said that this was when it first occurred to him that it may have been Reva in the bathroom and on this realization he said he quickly put on his prosthetic legs and ran back to the toilet to kick the door down. All the while, he said he was screaming and shouting and crying for the Lord to help him, but the door wouldn't break. So he grabbed a cricket bat and smashed it in. And there was Reva, dead. He said he sat over her and cried, and that he couldn't even say for how long he was there. And all the while, Pistorius gave this testimony on the stand, he sobbed and he sobbed, even say for how long he was there. And all the while Pistorius gave this testimony on the stand, he sobbed and he sobbed, even stopping to retch and vomit. Before he even gave his account of what had happened that night, he began with a direct and tearful

statement apologising to Reva's family. He said, I wake up every morning and you're the first people I think of. I was simply trying to protect Reva. When she went to bed that night, she felt loved. That makes me feel sick. That is so vile. Like it's some consolation prize. I know your wonderful 29-year-old daughter is dead because I shot her

four times, but don't worry. She felt loved when she went to bed that night. And not only that, she felt loved by me. By me. I am the one. Yeah. Ugh. Who, like, it's okay because she felt loved when she went to bed that night. And not only that, she felt loved by me. By me. I am the one. Who, like, it's okay because she felt loved by me and I'm so great. Like, he can't even fucking help himself. So yeah, he says our relationship was building really strong and we were talking about the future. And then he read out messages that he had sent her telling her how beautiful she was and how happy she made him he also read out the

valentine's day card reva had given him on the day that he shot her it said roses are red violets are blue i think today is a good day to tell you that i love you i think like i think with relationships in general like if there is an area of it that is problematic that area is no less problematic just because the other areas are good like that doesn't prove anything the fact that any of these problems are coming up undermines anything that was good anyway so telling me just how how he thought she was so beautiful how she text her that how she'd given him this is irrelevant when you look at all the texts where she's like stop trying to control me yeah exactly And he admitted that he inflicted the gunshot wounds,

but was adamant that he believed that intruders had broken in and posed an imminent risk to him and Reva. I have a question. So he's concerned that someone's come in through the bathroom window, but his balcony doors are wide open. So he's clearly not that concerned about security. I think it's hard to explain. He never actually says where he thinks they broke in from because they were asleep with the balcony doors open. Did they come in through the balcony and now they were hiding in the bathroom and then they heard him get up and they were opening the window? I don't really know.

Basically, his whole thing is there is someone in the bathroom that poses an immediate threat to me and to Reva. I'm going to kill them. Like, that's what he says his mentality was. But we will come into that and kind of, can that really be reasonable? And what did he really think? But before we get there, what's really interesting is the prosecutor on this case, Harry Nell, was not nicknamed the pit bull for no reason. From the start, he went after the defense's case and a constantly sobbing Pistorius. Nell brought in, first, Michelle Berger, a university lecturer,

a neighbour who lived about 193 yards away from Pistorius's house. In court, she said, I was woken by a woman's petrified screams. Something terrible was happening in that house. You only shout like that if your life was threatened. It left me cold. And vitally, Michelle said that she heard the screaming before she heard the gunshots. This is obviously so vital because if the screams were heard before the gunshots, it completely undermines the defense's case that Pistorius thought he had an unknown stranger in the bathroom before he fired his gun. But Barry Rue, Pistorius's defense attorney, hit back asking the witness, was it a gunshot or was it a cricket bat striking the door? She said what she heard was four gunshots. But Rue continues, was it Reva

or a man screaming? You cannot be 100% correct, can you? This seems like such a weird thing because like the facts of the matter are there were gunshots everyone knows there were gunshots no one's disputing the fact that it was he says that he just wants to inject doubt and he's making the claim that the screaming they heard was not linked to the gunshots and were not reaver at all like it was a totally separate thing they were in fact the screams of oscar once he realized he had shot reaver and when he was smashing the door down with the cricket bat i mean unlikely because it's all to do with the witnesses and the time the shots and the screams were heard the defense even brought in a ballistic text that who testified

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where you can't see the target with ammunition that with just one shot would likely lead to a fatal outcome he fired four times this wasn't shoot to scare this was shoot to kill as i understand it having a gun in your house is much more normal in south africa than it is in the uk but i think i mean maybe i'm wrong but having a gun not only in your house but having one with exploding bullets seems a lot to me. And the way these shots hit Reva also make up a crucial part of the case. The first shot hit her in her hip or like her upper thigh. The second shot hit her in her upper arm just above her elbow. And the third and fourth hit her in the right temple. The shots to her body coupled with

the alignment of the bullet holes on the door show that after the first shot Reva was falling when she was hit again and again and the sequence is vital and the delay is vital because after one shot in the hip, the first one, she would have cried out. And the second, third and fourth shots hit her as she was falling. So this proves a delay between the shots fired. She wasn't hit again and again in the same place in a rapid succession. She had fallen. So there was time between these shots being fired. The defence ballistics team wanted the shots in quick succession and to remove the

delay because that helps their case if it's just one, two, three, four. But the forensics don't match this and they say that the police bungled the initial crime scene investigation. And this isn't totally untrue, like mistakes were made in the collection of evidence, but the gunshots through the door and the injuries on Reva are clear. So yes, the crime scene investigation and the collection of evidence was fucked, but it doesn't impact the sequencing and the delay. Nell made the case that Reva and Pistorius argued. He said that she had gone into the bathroom to get away from him. And when she was shot, she was stood upright facing the door from the inside. So she was up against the door from the inside. He said that they must have been

arguing or at least talking or maybe she was even trying to stop him from getting into the bathroom. Why else would she be standing up against the door? I think this is what was happening and then in a rage when Oster couldn't get to her, couldn't make her open the door, they were just arguing, he goes to get his gun from the bedroom and shoots her. This to me makes the most sense because after the first shot was fired, as you said, would Reva not have responded? Well, the defence had a reason for this. They said that Reva had stayed quiet because she'd heard Pastore screaming outside about intruders and so she had stayed quiet inside the bathroom to not give herself away. I don't understand why she was facing the door. She was

facing the door because they were talking or arguing. She'd gone in there to like put a barrier between him and her to get away from him and he followed her, got the gun and he shot her through the door. I think that's the only thing that makes any sense. So the prosecution played a video of Pistorius at a gun rage because he was, you know, a keen what what would you even say a gun enthusiast gun gun enthusiast yeah so he was a keen shot he's you this isn't his first rodeo and he was he was obsessed with guns and in the lead-up to the killing he had applied for six more gun licenses i don't feel like anybody needs six more how many has he already got and in the video you can see him he's at the gun range and he's shooting watermelons with the same type of hollow point bullets and is heard saying

it's a lot softer than brain but fuck it's a great zombie stopper the thing about firing ranges like there is absolutely nothing stopping the person next to you just turning on you and shooting you like apart from social construction, like there's no, they're such a weird thing to me, maybe I think it's, we don't really have them here, they're not a thing, I'm sure they are, but not as much. So now the prosecution attorney plays this video in court and he asks Pistorius, you shot that watermelon and it exploded, you know that when you shot Reva the same thing happened to her head have a look and he shows the picture of reva's injuries and the picture is too much for the courtroom now as

pistorius sobs nell continued asking him how he didn't know it was reva in the bathroom he said you yelled at her to call the police and she was a maximum three meters away from you, but she never uttered a word. That seems improbable. Now, to refute the case the prosecution were building, the defense called forward other neighbors. These neighbors, when you hear their testimony, claim that they only ever heard a man crying or screaming

and they were so adamant it was a man, it was almost weird because when Michelle Berger, the original prosecution's witness comes forward, she says she thought it was a man it was almost weird because when michelle berger the original prosecution's witness comes forward she says she thought it was a woman and that she says that when she's questioned on it these people come forward and they say it was a man it was definitely a man i heard a man screaming and crying it sounded almost staged or rehearsed to me i'm not sure i would be able to tell the difference from 193 yards away. But that is the key to the defense's case, is that yes, you heard screaming and shouting and crying, but you cannot be sure that it was a man or a woman.

But these people lived a bit closer than Michelle Berger did and said that what they heard was definitely a man. The defense also brought in a sound engineer to take the stand, and he claimed that from where the prosecution's neighbours lived, the ones who were saying that it was a woman, that they couldn't have heard, and the people saying that they heard screaming before and during the gunshots, not just after, that they couldn't possibly have heard the screaming or the gunshots from 193 yards away. Now we read you some texts between the two of them at the start of this episode, and many, many more of these were read aloud in court but the dramatic finale to the prosecution's case was a text from reva to pastoreus three weeks before her murder we are living in a double standard relationship where you can be mad

about how i deal with stuff when you are very quick to act cold you do everything to throw tantrums in front of people i have been upset by you for two days now. I'm scared of you sometimes and how you snap at me and how you will react to me. But Barry Rue, the defence, fought back showing affectionate texts and emails and even CCTV footage of the couple in a shop kissing

and he asked the court is that what an abusive relationship looks like? Yes, that can be what an abusive relationship looks like that's such a nothing defense it is because yes it's exactly what an abusive relationship looks like the fact that she's saying you snap at me i don't know how you're gonna react to things i walk around on eggshells and you throw tantrums and the fact that any of that picture of Colleen Stan and her abuser yeah like arm in arm smiling with her family he kept her under the bed exactly and almost what Barry Ruth the defense attorney is trying to say is we didn't keep you locked up did he didn't keep you in a cage he didn't keep you

tied up to his bed or whatever you were walking around in shots kissing him he was telling people how beautiful he thought you were and how much in love you were. So apparently that undermines everything that she was saying about how controlling and possessive and insane he was. It's such a nothing defense, you're completely right. But Rue went even further because, you know, he must know that just trying to undermine the domestic abuse side of things wasn't going to be enough. So Rue brought in a psychologist who claimed that Pistorius had generalized anxiety disorder, which meant that he has, according to the psychologist, a fear response that may seem unbelievable from the point of view of an able-minded person, but not for him. They also brought in a sports physician who had worked with

Pistorius for six years, who claimed that psychological stress and his disability made him feel vulnerable. So Rue now claimed that the seeming overreaction was because Pistorius had had an anxiety disorder but also because he wasn't wearing his prosthetics this made him feel incredibly vulnerable. So in the usual test in law, would a reasonable person have thought this or done this, Rue made the the case that the story's judgment was impaired and so he couldn't possibly be held to that same level of accountability obviously generalized anxiety disorder people do suffer from it is a big deal i don't think generalized anxiety disorder is enough of a severe diagnosis to get away with murder. Yeah, because they're basically saying he had no idea who he was shooting at. So he's shooting into a confined space with hollow point bullets at close range in a space where that person can't hide, where he knows one shot could be fatal. He's saying that that level of craziness, the situation that led to that happening is so unbelievable. They have

to build a case to say, well, he doesn't think like an ordinary person because of this. And that's why it's fine that he did that. And that's why it's not murder. It's unbelievable. But it is smart defense. Because in law, like I said, normally, you just have to prove that would a reasonable person have done this? and if yes, then it's okay Finally, on September the 12th 2014, 193 days after the trial had begun, and 574

days after Reba's murder it was judgement day, and in South Africa there's no jury system, so it was down to Thokazile Masipa thanks for putting that in my bit I wrote that out phonetically for you. You did well.

Did you? Oh, thanks. With the assistance of two lay assessors to make the decision. And unbelievably, she found Pistorius on the count of murder, not guilty, and discharged. Instead, Pistorius was found guilty of culpable homicide, so like manslaughter or negligent homicide. So she ruled that the shooting was accidental and it was not Pistorius's intention to kill Reva, but he had intended to kill someone. He was firing into a bathroom door at an unknown target with a weapon with exploding bullets, it shouldn't like that is murder just because

it wasn't the person he thought alleges that he thought it was that's still that's not manslaughter and she went on to say that the evidence from the prosecution was apparently just circumstantial and because the sound engineer had come forward and said that they couldn't possibly have heard it apparently the witness testimony had been proved to be unreliable she also said that they couldn't possibly have heard it, apparently the witness testimony had been proved to be unreliable. She also said that the accused gave an opposing statement that could be reasonably true. Of course he gave an opposing statement. Could it be reasonably true?

That's very questionable. I don't personally think that it could be reasonably true. But as far as she was concerned, this was all that was needed in law for an acquittal. The judge acknowledged that he had lied and that he had no intention to shoot anyone even though he had a loaded weapon that he shot like that's so ridiculous but it's okay because this lie doesn't mean that he was being untruthful about anything else apparently that is such a bizarre argument like i get that he's you know

at this stage he's a national treasure and this case was so huge and it was i cannot but that's not enough of an excuse i feel like it's a classic case like if he wasn't famous and if he wasn't rich that he would have been sent down for the rest of his life of course and also just generally we won't dig into this but just generally on a larger scale of the race issues in south africa like who he was and what he gets away with like is unbelievable to me and this really was i felt like south africa's opportunity the world's eyes were on them this was their opportunity to prove that there wasn't corruption in their justice system, that they could run a fair and just trial.

And they fucked it, because this is unbelievable. Because also, apparently, this, and what I'm about to tell you, is word for word what Tokuzila Masipa said, the judge said. His behaviour immediately after the shooting was inconsistent with the conduct of someone who had intended murder what i know it gets better he shouted for help he called 911 he called security he couldn't even speak because he was crying so hard he prayed to god to save the victim's life and he was even seen trying to resuscitate her and he pleaded with doctors to help and he was distraught from this it can't be

said that he didn't believe he was shooting an intruder in the bathroom that's that's what she said during her sentencing so he's trying to resuscitate her even though her head has exploded yeah yeah that'll do it that'll do it you shoot someone with a hollow point bullet four times and then yeah you can try resuscitate them go Go fuck yourself. Yeah just a bit of mouth-to-mouth that'll sort that out. Exploded head. It's disgusting. So that so that judge has essentially just been like oh you know you're definitely not a murderer if you're a great actor. Yeah because you screamed and you cried and you were running around and you called 9-1-1 so you couldn't possibly have done this it just it doesn't match up with someone who would be a murderer,

because then, you know, you would have, you would have skulked away into the night with your stripy top and your swag bag. Like, what? The Hamburglar. So, but in the end, Pistorius was sentenced to just six years. However... That's disgusting.

Yeah, it's fucking vile. But this case was appealed in November 2015, and in December 2015, the Supreme Court of Appeals overturned the culpable homicide verdict and found Pistorius guilty of murder. Fucking good. Finding that Pistorius was not justified in claiming that he thought his own life was in danger but unbelievably it was once again judge masipa who was to carry out the re-sentencing that should not be allowed it should not be the same judge exactly because they overruled her they overturned her verdict why is it again her that gets to do the re-sent And because there's no jury system, like it is independently her verdict, there's no other contributions to it.

And on the 6th of July 2016, she sentenced Pistorius to another six years in prison for murder. Who gets six years in prison for murder? Yeah, so he was now meant to serve 13 years in total. Even though the prosecution had called for 15 years, which is the minimum sentence in South Africa for murder, which still seems pretty light. So like, even though he's been convicted of actual murder, he's still not getting the minimum sentence for murder. So Masipa argues that because Pistorius had already served 12 months in prison for the

culpable homicide conviction and was remorseful for his killing so that's why she lets him off a bit lighter that's absurd it's disgusting I don't see how any reasonable person if this had been a jury trial he would have been convicted of murder in the first instance and if the jury had been allowed to make recommendations for a sentencing he would have been convicted of murder in the first instance. And if the jury had been allowed to make recommendations for a sentencing, he would have received, I think, a maximum penalty. Yes, I completely agree. This is unbelievable. So that is the case of the killing of Reva Steenkamp.

Thank you for listening. It's such a difficult case. I think anything where it's like domestic violence, domestic abuse. And also because there was so much media coverage on it as well. And I think if you think that this was just a one-off, there absolutely wasn't that there was so much more we could have included in this we just didn't have just didn't have the capacity to build everything into this episode so what we'll do is we'll post a couple of the interviews that i actually found where is his ex-girlfriends before reva talking about what their relationships were like and needless to say he was exactly the same

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