RedHanded - Episode 35 - Richard Chase: The Vampire of Sacramento Part 1

Episode Date: March 1, 2018

Clinical vampirism, terrifying delusions and paranoid schizophrenia. This week the girls enter the bloody world of their very first truly psychotic spree killer, Richard Trenton Chase. Join them as they follow his evolution from cat-murdering child, to drug-addicted teen, to blood-smeared twenty-something; unpicking the unbelievably shocking story of one of America’s bloodiest killers.   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Hannah. And welcome to Red Handed, where today it's time because we've held off for long enough, and today we are covering the case of the vampire of Sacramento, Mr. Richard Trenton Chase. Firstly, that is a banker's name. How much does he just... he's a Richard Trenton Chase banker extraordinaire. But no, Richard wasn't a banker. In fact, he was a psychotic spree killer. And he's the first truly psychotic killer we've covered. That's, yeah, I think that's right.

I think the only one who could possibly contend would be Robert Maudsley. But I think that Maudsley had a bit more of like a trigger than seeing red type situation. Whereas Richard Chase is just living in a completely different universe. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And he was so brutal. So brutal in fact that he needs two episodes. So guys, it's going to be a two-parter.

And fair warning, these are not going to be easy listening episodes. Definitely no eating. He killed totally indiscriminately. And for the short few months he was active, he took six lives and absolutely terrified America. Esprit didn't last long, as is usual with this type of killer, because he made very little effort to cover up his crimes. And when we say very little effort, he would just wander out of crime scenes covered in the victim's blood like that was no problem. He genuinely didn't try and hide what he was doing at all.

And we can definitely call him a spree killer rather than a serial killer because he had very little, if any, calling off period between his kills. The build-up to Chase's murders, yes, they took years, but once he got started, fucking hell, he blitzed through his victims. And psychopathic serial killers, as opposed to psychotic spree killers, tend to kill, wait, relive the kill, call off, and then ramp themselves up again for the next kill. And a question that comes up with psychotic killers in the same way that we've discussed the past of psychopaths, the question is was Richard Chase born to be a psychotic killer or was he made? And to answer this and the many other questions this case throws up we need to start right at the beginning. Richard Trenton Chase was born on May 23rd 1950 in Sacramento,

California. Pretty classic. Yeah and when we were doing the research for this I really just immediately wanted to be like fucking hell California like do you want to just stop murdering everyone that lives there but I was actually surprised to find out that California is not the state with the highest murder rate, serial murder rate. Where do you think it is? Um, what number in the rankings is it? Oh, it's fourth. California comes fourth.

Okay. Can I have a clue? It's fucking cold. Um, is it where Bob the Butcher Baker's from? It is indeed. So, like... It's Alaska. It's Alaska. It's Alaska.

So like low headcount of people, I'm guessing, that there's probably quite a low population in Alaska, but higher serial murder rate. Because the US absolutely outpaces every other country in terms of reported serial killers. But Alaska is the top of the top within there. Interesting.

And also, though this was really interesting regardless of state the decade with which the murders was the worst in all of them categorically was the 80s so the 80s in the us was not where you wanted to be hanging out that is really interesting the thing is with chase by accounts, and certainly for a serial killer, in serial killer terms, he had a bloody normal childhood. And it was a childhood that was kind of, you know, typically dysfunctional in a sort of 50s kind of way, in the sort of my dad never speaks to me and smacks me occasionally. My mum's probably drunk all the time. But like typical 50s home stuff. I don't think that's anything particularly out of the ordinary. So the childhood he had with the physical punishment that he'd have and the

domestic abuse he would have witnessed, they just, they were totally normal at the time. But just because Richard's parents' behaviour was pretty normal for the time doesn't mean his was. Because if there was one thing he loved, it was murdering cats. He just loved torturing and killing cats. It was just his favourite thing to do. And many children at a very young age can be rough with animals, can even hurt them. Even the child with like the magnifying glass over the anthill, they lack for a while the understanding of what they are really doing. But eventually they develop a conscience and start to see other animals and people as sentient beings. And that will to, or ability even, to hurt animals or other people goes away.

But for Richard it never did. The normal development of a conscience just didn't happen. I think there is a bit of a difference between the kid with the magnifying burning ants and murdering cats. Richard exhibited the classic Macdonald triad. He was constantly bedwetting by age eight and he was starting fires and killing animals by age 10. So this year begs the question, what was Richard, the cat murdering Richard, like at school? You'd think he'd be a horror but he was surprisingly normal. He fitted in well at the start and he was not really Mr. Personality, but he wasn't totally freaking people out either.

And actually pretty good looking. He looks like a banker. He does. And actually, I really wanted to make sure you saw that picture before you yelled at me about putting in the fact that he was actually quite good looking when he was younger. Because the pictures of Richard Chase that you will see when he's in his late 20s after his spree is over not so hot probably a left swipe but teenage Richard probably a right swipe I'm gonna say I mean not now I'm old that's weird but I'm on day a teenager I'm just just saying. But Richard, with all his underlying issues,

was about to experience a huge accelerator on his road to becoming the vampire of Sacramento because he was at school in the mid-60s. And you know what that means. It means LSD. It means loads and loads of LSD. And again, it's the question of can drugs push you into psychosis? We talked about the possibility of drug-induced psychosis in our Suzanne Capper

episode, but that was really different. That's a situation where you're perfectly normal and it's only when the drugs are in your system that you see psychosis as a symptom. Here, however, the issue was that Richard had underlying issues, a vulnerability that made him susceptible to psychosis. The drugs, especially taken in the quantities he was taking, especially during adolescence when everything in your brain is changing, it led to a breakdown. The drugs aggravated or activated or triggered, whatever you want to call it, his genetic potential.

And it's impossible to say what the exact impact of the drugs was on richard's later crimes but we know that he was later diagnosed with schizophrenia taking psychotropic drugs when you have underlying schizophrenia not the best idea and before people go mental drugs don't cause schizophrenia, but drugs certainly wouldn't have helped. And I think the proof of that is like, everyone was taking LSD back then. And if it was just the drugs, all of them would be killers. We'd have way more killers on our hands if LSD caused people to become serial killers. So at school, Richard was habitually using weed, LSD and speed. Couple this with his psychological problems, he was spiralling. Then, bam, the third strike. Richard

developed a physical issue. Richard found himself very attracted to girls, but the problem was he was impotent. He didn't even have a problem getting dates. He was attractive, he was reasonably like normal facade at school, but he was completely impotent. And this is when we start to see more of Richard's psychosis come out. He started thinking he didn't have enough blood in his body. He started to obsess about getting blood. He became obsessed with the idea that he needed blood to survive. And also he became convinced that the lack of blood in his body was why he was impotent. Because he'd learned in biology at school that the penis fills with blood during a man's erection and that if his wasn't getting hard,

it must have been because he didn't have enough blood. It doesn't need to make sense to us. It made perfect sense to the untreated schizophrenic mind of Richard Chase. Moving into his 20s, Richard's behaviour and beliefs became more and more erratic. He started to believe that he had bones growing out of the back of his head, that people were poisoning him, that his stomach was upside down, and that his pulmonary artery had been stolen. By who? I don't know. The pulmonary artery fairies? That seems like a very bizarre thing. Richard was in a huge amount of physical pain

and he was really unable to cope. He did believe that there would be a cure for his problem, so Richard went to see a doctor. But he went thinking the doctor would be able to fix these problems. So he thought the doctor was going to be able to give him some more blood, turn his stomach back the right way around, fix the bones growing out of his head and get his pulmonary artery back. He thought they were going to help him but obviously when he tells the doctor these things none of his complaints make any sense and the doctors are like this kid is clearly severely mentally ill. they let him go they genuinely thought that he

was going to grow out of it and even now we understand so little about mental illness and there's still so much stigma surrounding it and so little support but you know this was the late 60s it was even worse then and they just sent him away richard he'd gone he tried to see a doctor they hadn't been able to help him and he was still in excruciating pain you know how much of this is sort of like psychosomatic how much of this pain is like actually due to physical problems because really all that we find out later is that he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia but in he can feel physical pain and now he's even more desperate because the doctors hadn't been able to cure him as he'd hoped. So he decides to take matters into his own hands and starts to think that he needs to get blood from some external

source to stop the pain. He started killing animals for their blood. Now as we know he'd been killing animals from childhood but now it was with a real purpose. He was obsessed as well with anatomy books. He's convinced that there are so many physical things wrong with him that just no one understands and he needs to fix it himself and blood becomes the answer but question so if he's reading a lot of anatomy books surely then he should understand that ingesting something is not if you're eating blood it's not going to give you more blood in your vein yes absolutely that is true and that is from the logical mind of you being able to know that that is not the case just because richard is devouring anatomy books he will look at it through the lens of his schizophrenic mind he'll take something in but the way he will translate it the way his mind

will relay that the way his brain will make sense of it will be completely different to how you or I would and also he's lost faith in people he's paranoid schizophrenic he thinks these doctors won't help me these anatomy books while he's obsessed with the body with the blood with the circulatory system he's not convinced that they know what's wrong with him he thinks he knows better there's just no knowing what he could have latched on to there were also other books in his room he could have beenatched onto. There were also other books in his room. He could have been reading about medieval times, all the bloodletting, the tapanning. He could have read about that, the leeching. There's so much of history where we thought blood was the answer to fix all the problems that was wrong with a human. So it's not that. It is crazy,

but it's not that crazy that he came to these conclusions, given what was wrong with him. Yeah, right. During this time, so in his early 20s, he was just in and out of hospitals. And not psychiatric hospitals, regular hospitals. And his parents' house and his grandmother's house. And he was just a nightmare, to be honest. No one knew how to help him. There was a severe lack of support for somebody with his condition. He was completely undiagnosed at this point.

I know we're talking about him being schizophrenic but that is with the knowledge of what he ends up being diagnosed with. At this point he has no diagnosis. He's just being palmed off from person to person with he's just weird. He's just being weird. But Richard was crashing. His schizophrenia as we said was still undiagnosed and he was still heavily involved with drugs. Richard eventually thinks that the blood in his body has completely stopped flowing altogether and his behaviour escalates again. Finally, he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. And at this point, when he gets diagnosed, it's still just half the battle because he needs treatment and care. But again, they just release him saying that he wasn't a harm to himself or to anyone else the thing is they didn't know about

all of the animals he'd murdered can you murder an animal does murder have to be a person i don't know it's a very it's a very ethical question but i'll say i don't know it's like if you're i'm gonna say yes yeah like i feel like if someone killed my dog i'd be like you're a murderer he was murdering like fucking pet cats and shit and dogs like he was murdering them yeah murder kill all the animal slaughter what's interesting is like his parents knew but they just didn't tell the doctors oh interesting it's stigma stigma isn't it your son is fucking killing neighborhood cats the mum the mum will go on to see it's such a huge part of the problem. You don't believe in ghosts? I get it.

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know what to do. So they just got him a flat and moved him out on his own. Richard spent every day just killing rabbits. And this is the thing. This person has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I know this is the mid-60s, but they're just like, he's not in a hospital. He's not being given care. He's not even with his parents. They've just moved him out on his own.

He's completely unsupervised. And yeah, killing rabbits. Killing rabbits that he'd buy from the nearby farm, bring them back to his flat, kill them, and either drink the blood or eat them raw or, my personal favourite, blend them up into a nice rabbit smoothie. A nice raw rabbit smoothie, just depending on his mood. And so there's this, the rabbit smoothies and the drugs. That's all he was doing. He was continuing to take a copious amount of drugs.

And his parents paid the rent and gave him money, but they just weren't checking up on him. If there was ever an argument for not paying your child's rent, this is it. And like you said, he was eating them raw. He was smoothing them up raw. When he was drinking the blood, he was drinking them straight from the animal.

I guess some part of his logic was that the blood needs to be as fresh as possible for it to get into his circulatory system and be effective for whatever he thought was wrong with him. The psychosis gets worse and he starts to think that his heart was shrinking. Now, he wasn't actually ever diagnosed with this, but this could possibly be Cotard syndrome or Cotard delusion, or as it's also known, walking corpse syndrome. Again, I first found out about this case watching Hannibal, the TV show. You should watch it. It's terrifying. And Cotard syndrome, it's a rare mental illness in which the affected person

thinks he or she is already dead, doesn't exist, or is rotting away, or has lost their blood or internal organs it does kind of sound like what he is thinking yeah definitely and then one day richard got sick i mean i wonder i wonder why i wonder why what could it possibly be and he tells his dad that he thinks he has food poisoning so they go to the hospital but when they're there they they discover that Richard didn't have food poisoning, but he had blood poisoning. Because, get this, he had been injecting himself with rabbit blood. That'll do it. That will do it. You will get a blood infection.

Because maybe, Hannah, you're right. He was starting to question, is just consuming this blood really getting it into my bloodstream? So no, I need to start injecting this blood. And it's just crazy because he ate a rabbit that he thought that he'd eaten something poisonous. So then he thought he had gotten sick because of that. So to fix it, he needed fresh, untainted rabbit blood. So he got another rabbit, got the blood and then started injecting it into himself. Oh God. And after this, thankfully, Richard was finally sectioned and placed in a psychiatric hospital.

Here, even the patients were weirded out by Richard. And unbelievably, two days after being placed in that psychiatric hospital, he escaped. He literally just walked out. He doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Neither did the people that ran this fucking psychiatric hospital because he literally just walked out of the door. He didn't plan some, like, Bundy-esque escape and like drop 20 pounds and like crawl out of a crawl space he just walked out the front door but it didn't last long he was caught quickly and put into a different hospital and this is where he gained the nickname dracula because he was catching birds at his window how you manage to catch a bird in your hand is beyond me

i just have this image of him crouching on a windowsill and just like jutting his hand out of the window really quickly and it comes back in and there's a bird i really feel like some of the things he was able to do and able to get away with and like catching these fucking birds at his window it does kind of lend itself to the sort of like almost paranormal supernatural essence of like there isn't anything paranormal about this case but again it's kind of like maudsley he became almost like legendary while he was even still alive and once he'd magically caught these birds with his bare fucking hands out of a hospital window he'd then kill them and he'd drink their blood and it just gets worse because you know he is clearly not well and he's displaying paranoid schizophrenic

tendencies, catards and also if we want to just chuck another syndrome into the mix Renfield syndrome which is also known as clinical vampirism and basically it's an obsession with drinking blood. As with the other syndromes or conditions we can talk about how and why they manifest but in this case we just we can't like there's no telling what a schizophrenic mind may latch on to. But despite all of this on September 29th 1976 Richard was released into the care of his mother it doesn't sound to me like he's making much progress in this hospital but he's released into the care of his mother and what's really important to know here is that the staff strongly urged against it they were like please do not let this man go but the mother was like I can handle it what she can handle it by

putting him in a flat on his own and letting him eat rabbit smoothies yeah exactly I think there's just so much stigma with this I think the mother she just couldn't cope with the fact that her son had been institutionalized she couldn't cope with having to tell people oh oh Richard you remember Richard he's now in a mental hospital because he killed all these cats I think she was like okay great you've got the diagnosis I want to take him home now and I'll look after him because it's less shameful to say my son is just at home and doesn't have a job and doesn't go outside because I don't let him rather than he's in a psychiatric. It's like girl interrupted.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I think that's why she insists on taking him home. And she, you know, she says, I can handle this. That was until he tore a cat apart in front of her and smeared the blood all over his face i think that's probably more embarrassing than saying he's in hospital yeah i'm gonna say that's that's the case so she didn't report this again and the relationship like we said with his mother just didn't help richard at all she just wouldn't accept that he was sick after his release

she took him home and cut his meds. She took him off his schizophrenic anti-psychotic medication. Why the fuck, lady? What are you doing? Like, seriously, don't do that. And her reason was because apparently the drugs were making him numb and she didn't like the fact that they turned him into a zombie. So he's either a zombie or a vampire. Just take him as a zombie, I'm going to say. Seriously. And I know, I mean, 1970s antipsychotic medication. I bet he was pretty fucking out of it. But what was the alternative at the time?

I think antipsychotics even now are still a bit lights are on, nobody's home. But if the alternative is you being a danger to yourself and others around you. What do you pick? What's... yeah. What do you pick? There's no argument. And again, we just see the same pattern of behaviour. She got him out of hospital, she took him home, and then when it all became too much,

she'd just take him to his apartment and leave him on his own again. So now it's 1977, and he's off his meds, living alone, and yes, things get wild. The incident at Pyramid Lake in Nevada was quite a pivotal moment in this case. In August 1977, officers from Indian Affairs see a pickup truck on reservation land. They approach the car and looked inside and what they saw, absolutely what the fuck. There was blood everywhere. They also spotted a couple of guns, bloody clothes and shoes, and a bucket with a liver in it. And immediately, they think, this has to be a homicide. They searched the area and half a mile away, perched on a rock, they saw a naked man who immediately ran.

When they caught him, they saw that he was filthy, completely naked and covered in blood. And in case you were any doubt, it was Richard, who now 27, was clearly more out of control than ever. When the police caught him and examined him, the blood was smeared all over his body and even poured in his ears. When the police asked him where had this blood come from, Richard told them that it was his own blood and that it was seeping out of him. It wasn't, because when they checked, the blood and the liver turned out to be from a cow. I don't know how to feel about this.

Again, without checking his background, or even his previous record, the police released him. Again, it's like, hey, it's the 70s, everyone's a little weird, everyone's on drugs and dirty and covered in blood, let's just let him go. And they just sent him on his way. It is so bizarre to me that you would find someone's car in that state and them totally naked and be like, they're probably fine, probably just a bad trip.

Like, that is bananas to me. But just four months later, Richard would take his first shot at killing a person. One day in December 1977, Richard grabbed his.22 caliber gun, walked around a neighborhood and spotted Dorothy Polinski through her window. And he fired. He tried shooting her through her window and the bullet just missed her. It nicked the bun she had in her hair and lodged in a cupboard door behind her. It was a total drive-by shooting. He just shot and ran off. This kind of long-distance killing, or attempted killing, is very unusual. Killers like this usually tend to be up close and personal, which Richard definitely moved on to,

as we'll see next week in part two. But this does feel weird, like completely at random. All I can think is that most serial killers work their way from victim to victim over months and years but Richard Spree started and ended very quickly and I kind of feel like killing a person isn't really his end game he doesn't really care that it's a person he cares about the organs or the blood or whatever that he can get from them so in a way he's been killing for years because animals and humans kind of the same situation to him it's the same thing he gets out of it so that's his his run-up the graduation from animals to humans probably isn't an enormous jump for him mentally yeah i don't think mentally it was a huge jump for him to go from animals to

people i think he maybe on some level understood that understood that they're obviously more high risk. Like, to just go grab a cat off the street and kill it is one thing, but now he has to psych himself up to kill a person. Because he clearly, in his mind, is escalating that. To really fix this problem, all the physical problems, all the pain that he's in, animals aren't cutting it, he's been trying it, and it hasn't worked. Now it's got to be a person. But these people, these tricky people, they're all all in their houses they're all tough to get to it's like it's

a difficult next step and i think maybe this is why he just tries to shoot let's see if i hear if not oh my god let's just run away i think he's scared yeah i think that's a really good point but you know either way dorothy, but his next victims would not be so lucky. Now after this, Richard went home and on the 20th of December, he shot the family cat. I'm sorry, why does your family have a fucking cat when you have a cat murderer for a son? I mean, and she's seen him do it. Stop buying cats. And he shot the cat in front of his mum. And then again, he smeared the blood all over himself, still in front of his mum. And at this point, his mum is like, nope, he's gonna ruin Christmas. I don't want him here. That is such a 50s housewife response. Literally,

I know. Your son is murdering cats and smearing their blood all over himself. And I'm sure you know that there's more stuff. He's fucking killing rabbits and injecting himself with their blood all over himself. And I'm sure you know that there's more stuff. He was fucking killing rabbits and injecting himself with their blood. You got him out of a psychiatric hospital and then abandoned him in his own flat again. And you're like, I don't want him here. He's going to totally ruin Christmas.

And so she tells Richard's dad. And you can just imagine Richard's dad is just like this, a disinterested, unengaged, emotionally unavailable. Just sat in the corner like pipe smoking shut up every time she comes and complains about something to do with richard and so his mum goes and tells richard's dad that he shot the cat but doesn't tell him about all of the blood smearing bit and she tells him to tell richard that he wasn't allowed home for christmas i think

this really pissed richard off that he stays away. Because they're really, like, isolating him now. They're really pushing him away and I don't think he knows how to deal with that. And I think this really pushed him into his next move. Because a few days after Christmas, Richard Chase would take his first human life, starting one of the bloodiest and most brutal killing sprees in history. But before we finish up today, I think it's really important that we talk a little bit about the vital differences between psychopathic and

psychotic. Firstly, neither of these traits in isolation make you prone to be dangerous or a killer. Secondly, they are totally different. Psychopathy is, firstly, not a clinically diagnosable condition. It's an emotional or behavioural problem. Psychosis, however, is a clinical psychiatric condition. And when this comes to killers, this is the difference between mad and bad. Psychotic is what people really mean when colloquially we call someone a psycho.

Because it's very unlikely that if you were confronted with a psychopath, that you'd even know anything was wrong for a really long time. Because psychopaths are totally in control. They know exactly what they're doing. Psychotic people are totally out of control and they will usually suffer from delusions and hallucinations. When you have a killer who is psychopathic they will do all they can to cover their tracks and protect themselves. They know it's wrong. They'll usually stalk their victims, choose them carefully and prepare thoroughly for their big kill. Psychotic killers, like Richard Chase, will lack any actual preparation

and they will make very little, if any, attempt to hide their crimes. And this is the huge difference between the mind of an organized and disorganized killer the other vital difference is mad versus bad a psychopath or a sociopath knows exactly what they're doing they just don't care because they lack empathy psychotic killers are mad because they don't understand the impact or the reality of their action and so so now we have Richard Chase's backstory down. We're all aware of what's going on with him. I think this is a good place for us to stop this week. And next week, when we come back for Richard Chase part two, we can then dive straight in to the six murders of the vampire of Sacramento. Guys, it's going it's gonna be real bad it gets really rough it

takes a lot to make me feel unwell and you're gonna feel sick in part two guys so absolutely no eating we had to have lots of distractions on in the background when we were typing up the research for richard chase part two i made the huge error of having on in the background the amazing world of puppies to you know just cheer myself up a little bit. That didn't turn out so well and you'll find out why next week. Please come follow us at Red Handed The Pod on Facebook, on Twitter and on Instagram. And hop on over to our Patreon page, patreon.com forward slash redhanded and chuck us some change. And we'll see you next week for Richard Chase part two.

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