RedHanded - FROM THE VAULT - Episode 19 - Halloween Special Part 1

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

We're digging deeper than ever into the dark recesses of the RedHanded vault – seven years to be exact – to bring you our first EVER Halloween special from 2017...For Halloween, the girls bring you the most disturbing cases they could find for their very own treehouse of horror, filled with kidnapping, a Buffalo Bill copy cat and shivers for days. Get cosy and grab the dog as Hannah & Suruthi take you through 2 harrowing cases, told to each other for the first time. Exclusive bonus content:Wondery - Ad-free & ShortHandPatreon - Ad-free & Bonus EpisodesFollow us on social media:YouTubeTikTokInstagramXVisit our website:WebsiteSources available on redhandedpodcast.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Saruti. And welcome to Red Handed, and I'm sorry about my voice. I have the death flu, as it's commonly known. The death flu. Like, no, seriously, the temperature's dropped quite considerably. And not to be super boring and very British and talk about the weather, but I'm so cold. Like, my hands are freezing. And, like, you know the bit between the top gum above your front teeth

and your outer lip? That bit is cold, like, inside of my mouth. Like, I'm so cold. I'm going to Iceland next week. How am I going to survive? It's going to be tough. But, yeah, I'm going to buy some thermals and take my hot water you have to no to warm us up we have got quite the episode we have actually i don't know your your case might be

shit how dare you we don't know so we are trying a different format today just for our halloween special which is going to be a two-parter which is exciting where i don't know what hannah's case is and she doesn't know what my case is and we're going to tell each other the most horrifying cases that we could find that were also real because this is true crime and you'd be surprised at how many out there we like hear about and they're like oh that sounds really interesting and then you dig into it and that's just not what happened at all. One Daily Mail journalist got hold of it and turned it into something that it absolutely isn't.

And with that... I'd quite like to issue an apology. If you listen to our Spy in the Bag episode... This has really been playing in Hannah's mind, guys. So hear her out.

We spoke about a man who is called Peter Folder who is a small spaces expert. And I will genuinely never forgive myself that I missed the gag that his name is Folder and his job is to fold himself into small spaces. So I am so sorry. His name was Folding. No!

That's even better. Yeah, yeah. I know. It's all right, Hannah. You've said it now you've got it out there it's far too late and now you're the only one laughing but but you are laughing everyone hannah's laughing and i've had to listen to multiple conversations about this where she has rude the fact that she didn't get to say it in the original episode so everyone just a round of

applause for hannah's joke and the determination to get it out there. So with that, a little bit of levity, a little bit of levity. I like that before we jump into what is, I assume, not going to be a fun. No, it will be fun, but in a terrifying way. Yeah. I'm like really nervous. We've never done this before, guys. It's because it's like, it's like, cause it's all solo now. All right now all right so so i'm gonna go first so seriously guys i have to be totally honest that no case i've ever researched before gave me nightmares like this one has i genuinely lost an entire night's sleep because of researching this case i was home alone last night while i was finishing things up and i genuinely had to stop because i started to get so freaked out. And fair warning, I don't know what Hannah's doing this episode, but if you're not feeling

up for a true horror show of a case and you know, if you have children, if you want to have children, if you know any children, if you ever were children, maybe just skip me today. So with that, I guess I better jump right in. Sit back, get comfortable, crack open a drink, grab the dog, and here we go. So it's Halloween night, 1977, in Lawton, Oklahoma. And George and Rose Carter, parents of 19-month-old Nima Louise Carter, placed her in her crib and went off to enjoy their evening in front of the TV. Later, they wouldn't remember what time they fell asleep, but only that at some point during the night, baby Nima had cried.

But the couple, who understandably didn't want to spoil her by running in to soothe her every time she stirred, didn't go in to check on her. But this would sadly go on to be a decision that would haunt them for the rest of their lives. Because the next morning, when Rose went to check in on Nima, she found the crib was empty. Nima was gone. But how? The parents had been asleep, just in the living room, and all the windows in Nima's bedroom were all locked. Whoever had abducted Nima, and this is horrifying, must therefore have already been hiding in the cupboard in Nima's room

and carried her out of the house. Yeah, while her parents were asleep, boldly walking straight past the living room. Now, of course, a search took place. But initially, a lot of suspicion was, you know, understandably put on George and Rose themselves. But there was nothing. No leads, no motive, no evidence, nothing. Nothing that was until a month later when a group of young boys, playing in an abandoned house just four blocks away from the Carter home, made a horrifying discovery. No, I'm not ready. No, you have to get ready now.

Exploring the house, they found a discarded fridge and they opened the fridge and this is when they were met with what is maybe the most horrifying shock. The decomposing body of a tiny baby came tumbling out. I know. When I started to research this and read about this, I didn't think this case was true, but it's very, very true. I really don't want it to be true. I'm sorry, it's going to get worse. Now, understandably, the terrified boys legged it and they didn't report what had happened or what they'd found to anyone. But luckily, or unluckily for him, the same day a soldier from nearby Fort Hill came across the horrifying scene and he called the police. Now when the detectives arrived they found Nima's tiny body lying beside the fridge and they were

able to conclude that Nima had been placed inside the fridge by whoever had kidnapped her very soon after her abduction and just been left to suffocate. She was alive? She was alive when she was put inside the fridge because she died. They were able to conclude that she died of suffocation. It's horrifying. She was 18, 19 months. That is absolutely horrendous. Now Lawton was,

and still is, a stronghold for the military community. But it's always been a pretty rough town where like drunken brawling, stabbings and shootings were not a rare occurrence. But child abduction, leave alone child murder, was basically unheard of in Lawton until 1976, the year before Nima Carter was murdered. And what's even more shocking is how similar the child killing of 1976 was to that of Nima. The town was now terrified as they

collectively recalled the horror of the previous year. So in April 1976, a pair of three and a half year old twin girls, Mary and Tina Carpitcher, were at their grandmother's house watching TV when a young woman opened the living room door and whispered to them to follow her outside this reminds me of like the witches yeah like the child catcher yeah or like you know the witches when she like lures them away that's what this reminds me of so this woman comes in she whispers them to them to follow her and the girls know her so they went with her without question but the girls then become scared So they went with her without question. But the girls then become scared. And we know this because there was a witness. Thelma Craig, a woman who lived in the

neighborhood, saw a teenage girl dragging two little girls along the road by their wrists. She would later tell the police that she didn't report it because, I guess like most people, I didn't want to get involved. But Thelma, you should have. And I wonder if it had been a man or a boy she would have. It's because it was a 16-year-old girl. That's interesting, isn't it? Like when you see... We profile what we see in cases like that, don't we?

And we definitely would make a split-second decision as to how much danger we thought that person was likely to cause. Yeah, exactly. And you do see, like, kids can be fucking little shits. Like, you know, it could be their sister yeah she doesn't report it but selma selma mate you should have because the girl who had stolen mary and tina away in broad daylight now took them to an abandoned house near the railroad tracks on the outskirts of town she dragged the girls inside where there was an abandoned fridge. She

opened the filthy fridge and forced the girls inside. Oh my god. Ignoring their scream, she told the girls that their aunt would be along soon to take them for ice cream. And with that, she left the two three and a half year old twin girls locked inside this filthy fridge

in an abandoned house. Two days later, a group of children were playing in the abandoned house when they heard cries coming from the disused fridge. Now I'm not going to lie, I would have run as fast as I could out of that house. But these children, they bravely go and open the fridge door and to their horror three and a half year old tina carpitcher fell out alive somehow tina had managed to survive this insane ordeal by breathing through a tiny hole in the fridge but the true horror was that her twin sister mary had suffocated to death. How, do you know, do you know how, like? Yeah, no, we don't, we don't know. I reckon maybe she could have survived a day.

So for probably at least a day, maybe at least like half a day, Tina was in there with her dead sister, locked in a fridge. Oh my God. That girl, that poor girl. It would have been pitch black. I mean, how do you even get over something like that?

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So with that, Robideau instantly became the target of the police investigation. But there was a serious lack of physical evidence. Couple that with how young Tina was. She was only three and a half. The investigation just stalled, and Robidoux was never charged with anything. So having been set free, Robidoux keeps a low profile, holding a quiet and shy demeanour in public. She even continued to work as a babysitter. Fuck off. Oh yeah, and by 1977, she was babysitting

for a young American Indian couple. You guessed it, George and Rose Carter, who employed her to watch their baby girl, Nima. This can't be real. It's real. It's real. So when Nima was murdered, police detective Cecil Davidson was tipped off that the year before, Robidoux had been linked with another child abduction and murder, a case almost identical in circumstance. So Davidson brings Robidoux in to question her about Nima's abduction and murder, but she told the police that she was playing bingo the night Nima was murdered. And interviewing Jacqueline Robidoux was not an easy

or productive task. Davidson described her as very quiet, and found it frustrating that throughout the interview she never looked him in the eyes. He said, she would always get close, right close to telling you something critical, and then she'd back off. And despite hours of questioning, Davidson could not get her to confess. But the real issue, the real frustrating part, was that they just had no physical evidence. There were no fingerprints, no footprints, no hair, no blood, nothing. Davidson, though, just couldn't forget this case and remained convinced that Jacqueline Robideau had murdered Nima.

But they just didn't have enough to prosecute. But that didn't mean that anyone was giving up. get this case and remained convinced that Jacqueline Robideau had murdered Nima, but they just didn't have enough to prosecute. But that didn't mean that anyone was giving up. Detective Ray Anderson took over the case and in 1979, so three years after the murder of Mary Carpitcher and so two years after the murder of Nima Carter, he decided that he'd had enough. He figured he'd confront Jackie Robideau one last time, take one last shot at her. He knew that he'd had enough. He figured he'd confront Jackie Robidoux one last time, take one last shot at her. He knew that he needed a confession because there was just no forensics to link her to this. So they brought her down to the local Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation office and Anderson got what he needed. He just says, and it's hard to know what he did get

because he just says, she never really came out and admitted to sticking the carpenter twins in that fridge but she said enough she confirmed things that we already knew and she told us some things that we didn't that was all he needed it was enough to implicate her in the murder of mary carpenter but robidoux remained completely silent about nema's murder but on oct October the 19th, 1979, Robidoux was charged with the first-degree murder of Mary Carpitcher. And finally, in 1982, she stood trial for murder. And it was a strong case the prosecution had built against Robidoux.

More than 75 witnesses would be called to testify, with the star witness being Tina Carpitcher herself, now 10 years old. She would be made to recount her ordeal in that fridge 13 times over the course of that trial. This is quite weird, I found. The judge even allowed Nima's murder to become part of the trial record, despite the fact that Jackie Robidoux had never been charged for that crime. That is weird.

That is weird. And then the lawyer afterwards tried to use this as a reason to like get the ruling overturned, but they can't because Robidoux was eventually convicted and her attorneys, like I said, they tried to get this overturned by saying that the Nima Carter murder, she'd never been brought into this because it had nothing to do with this. She'd never been charged with it and it had influenced the jury. But to no avail. She was convicted and she was found guilty and good. She was charged with Mary Carpitch's murder and she was given a life sentence.

You know, I don't know to what extent was justice done because Jacqueline Robideau died in prison of liver cancer in 2005, never having admitted to the still unsolved murder of Nima Louise Carter. It has to have been her. It's such a specific MO. Like, I don't feel like there are multiple people in a small town sticking small children in fridges. Like, that has, it has to have been her. It's so strange, though, isn't it?

Because, firstly, when it's a woman hurting children, hurting babies, they were babies. That's already weird enough to get your head around. Secondly, she was so young that she was 16. That's crazy. Something really fucked must have happened to her. I tried to do a bit of research into kind of what makes women kill children that are not related to them. And it's actually a very, very, very rare occurrence. Like, this is not common at all. The closest thing that I could find to any of this is, like, she probably suffered abuse at someone's hands.

But this is such an exaggerated version of that. And so specific. Like, I feel like my immediate reaction is, like, somebody has locked that girl in a fridge for multiple, multiple times, and she's copying it. Like, that was my immediate reaction is like somebody has locked that girl in a fridge for multiple multiple times and she's copying it like that was my immediate absolutely reaction it's horrifying and i do wonder you do also get this kind of like um angel of mercy mentality with some female serial killers which is definitely what she was she was turning, which is this idea of maybe she was being abused and she was babysitting these children. It got into her head that some abuse was happening,

even though there is absolutely no evidence of that. And she thought, I'm saving these children from abuse. I'm putting them out of their misery. Do you know what? With fish and terrapins and turtles and stuff like that, the kindest way to kill them is to put them in the freezer because they just fall asleep. Yeah. So maybe, and I remember that because someone told me that when I was a kid.

So maybe it's that. Maybe that's the kindest way to kill a small animal, which is how she saw the children. I feel like maybe it's something to do. If you look at the psychology of female killers, poison for revenge for passion for money or they are frequently kind of angels of what is it angels of death yeah it's like mercy killings like nurses who will kill people because they think I'm doing you a service I'm setting you free from this so the closest thing I can get to understanding this, the limited information there is out there about this case, is possibly that was

the closest thing to what was going on in Jacqueline Robiteau's mind. But to see that in a 16-year-old is beyond alarming. That's basically everything I could find about this case. It's absolutely shocking. That is... I'm not quite sure how I'm going to follow that, to be honest. Horrifying. Well, I'm sure you sure how I'm going to follow that, to be honest. Horrifying. Well, I'm sure you will kill it. Over to you, Hannah. Okay, so I'm going to take you to Poland.

Yay, let me get comfortable and warm up a bit. Okay. Go. So, similarly to your Nima Carter case, there isn't that much on this case. I wanted to do a full episode on it, but there's just not that much that's in English. All of the documentaries were in Polish. I could only find a few articles that were in English,

and I'm too scared to ask my Polish college to translate them for me because she's really scary. And it's an unusual request. Exactly. And she's from where this happened as well, so I don't want her to... I don't want to upset her. I don't know. Also, I have tried to, like, look up how to pronounce these Polish words, but I'm sure I will fail, so forgive me. Katarzyna Zawada was 23, and she was a religion student in, I'm just going to say a university in Krakow. I do know the name, but I just, there's no way I'm going to be able to pronounce it. So it's a big university in Krakow.

Katarzyna was, she was a quiet girl. She lived with her mum. She found university quite difficult. She swapped courses multiple times before settling on religious studies. And she kept to herself and just, she sat on her own during lectures. On the 12th of November, 1998, Katarzyna Zawada vanished without a trace. Two weeks before her disappearance, she had stopped attending classes and university starts in October in Poland, so really she'd only attended about a month's worth

of classes before she totally gave up. And this is what she had done with the previous courses that she had dropped out of. Her mum was under the impression that she was still attending class, but it wasn't until the 12th of November, when Katarzyna failed to meet her mother at doctor's surgery prior to an appointment, that the alarm was raised at 6pm. The Krakow police had nothing to go on and the case went cold. Katarzyna's mother and her classmates had absolutely no idea where she had been going instead of class for the two weeks in the lead up to her disappearance. But they did suspect that she may have been depressed and I do wonder whether that's what the doctor's appointment

was about. Maybe her mum was just like, come on on let's go sort you out let's go to the doctor katazina's dad had died two years previously in 1996 he had gone on a trip to the mountains with katazina and he had slipped fallen and injured the base of his spine which actually led to his death a few months later kind of understandably katarina blamed herself utterly for this for his death basically he she forced him to go on this trip with her she was the one that wanted to go out in the mountains and she really struggled to get over it and i do also think that expecting someone no matter what the circumstances are but to expect someone to be completely fine two years after their dad has died is just a bit much if she was depressed i can see

that might have been a reason for it and from what i've read it does it does tend it does seem like she was quite a depressed person and was really struggling i also read that she had attempted suicide at least once before oh dear yeah also quick disclaimer before we get into it polish privacy laws are really really strict so for some of the people that I'm going to mention, I only have their first name and their initials. And with that, strap in because this is where it gets pretty fucked up. So on January the 7th, 1999, so this is three months after Katarzyna has just vanished,

a Miroslaw M, a tugboat operator, noticed that something was stuck in the propeller of his barge on the vistula river which is the largest river in poland he opened the hatch to have a look and he couldn't really make out what it was that was blocking his propeller it sort of looked like a sack but it didn't really seem to have any shape to it at all what do you think it was no No. What? It was her body. I can hear the people who know this case like screaming into their phones.

So Mirasol M leaned in to get a closer look and that's when he noticed this really foul smell coming from the propeller and whatever the object was that was blocking his propeller had a human ear. Of course, crime scene investigation were on the scene in a heartbeat initially the police thought it was a whole body in the propeller and then they had a closer look and they thought oh the skin has been separated from the body by the propeller but no there was no body it was just skin what the skin they found had been neatly

cut away at the thighs and neck reaching all the way up to the left ear the face and arms had been removed as well as the nipples and there was a seam that ran from under the right breast to the left shoulder so someone had sewed it together like they were gonna fucking wear it what so there's no face the face has been no face has been cut off yeah it's just like it's like literally like a a vest oh my god what the fuck so it's just so it's just done until her waist oh like from her thighs down to her thighs and someone has skinned her and sewn it together oh my god what the fuck so this skin as you might have already guessed was identified as katarzyna um so yeah someone had skinned her like an animal and sewed it back together like they were going

to wear it like a jumper oh my fucking god what and the coroner said that the body had been in the water for about two or three weeks before she was found. And we know about slippage, don't we, Sweetie? Oh my God, good. Pieces of her sweater that she was last seen in were also found in the water and some of her clothes were found much later on. Pieces of her jeans and a flannel shirt that had a square cut out.

And a week later, Katarzyna's leg was found near a hydroelectric dam on the Vistula River, just sort of floating among some branches. Nothing else has ever been found. So it's literally one of her legs and her skin torso is all they have. Fucking hell. How did Katarzyna Zawada's skin end up in the propeller of a tugboat on the Vistula River? Ed Gein fashions. Nobody knows.

Nobody knows jack shit. Nobody knows anything. There are, however, some theories. But it is quite hard to know how much, I was going to say how much water they can hold, but I'm not going to say. Oh, God. Oh, my God.

Were the stitches hand stitches before we got into theories? Or was it like machine i mean could you run skin through a machine i mean i don't think you could run skin through a sewing machine get the right needle on it maybe oh my god yeah like a thing like a darning needle like a thick one you need a big one you're gonna snap that right off but that is fucking horrifying somebody sat with that skin in their laps and sewed it together yeah like some fucking horrendous who's a designer who's so shit together i can't even think i can't even think of a joke what designer who's so shit like who's the designer vivian westwood yeah no she's quite freaky i like i've got a lot of time for me but so oh my god just what the fuck

when we talk about like killings i can kind of be like oh okay this person did it for whatever reason you know they're fucked up like sexual release whatever not that it ever excuses it but you can understand the mentality when they start playing around with the dead bodies, that's when I really freak out. So there are some theories, but as I said, there's not a lot of material in English. And also Polish privacy laws, they're really not very helpful. Because everything is... It's like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Like leather face, but leather vest.

Gilet. Oh my God. Skin gilet. Oh, don't there's some speculation that katycina had met a stranger somewhere in public and become infatuated with him and that's the reason she started ditching classes so she could see him and you know maybe he murdered her i don't think that's such a fabricated theory that's just there's nothing to back that up at all where did that even come from also it's not the first time she started ditching class you know i mean so i such a fabricated theory that's just there's nothing to back that up at all where did that

even come from also it's not the first time she started ditching class you know i mean so i don't think it's anything to do with that and also her friends said that she had one male friend who was a fellow grateful dead fan apparently who um they met each other an event where people sell and swap cds with each other but he had a concrete alibi and was totally dismissed by the investigation. Theory number two, I lean to a bit more, is that Katarzyna died accidentally or committed suicide somewhere remote and a person stumbled upon her body, took it and had their ridiculous way with it. Actually, there's some evidence that might support that

because according to the chief medical examiner there are marks on Katarina's skin that could only appear due to a fall from a great height being hit by a car going over 80 miles an hour and this is the one I don't really agree with and getting shot in the mouth like surely those are quite disparate things like I can see how falling from a great height and being hit by a car at 80 miles an hour would probably have a similar impact that would present itself in a similar way on someone's skin but getting shot in the mouth that seems very different to me yeah i don't i don't understand would getting shot in the mouth like cause some sort of like reflex in your sternum to pop out?

I don't know. I don't get that. Well, maybe. And maybe that's why her head can't be found anywhere because it's in a million pieces. But that seems crazy to me. I mean, what? So she kills herself or dies, meets her death, like, in an accident and then just so happens some freaky person who was into dead bodies and making making clothes out of them happens to find a dead body that seems a bit too

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Yeah. Silence of the Lambs. Silence of the Lambs. That's exactly what I wanted you to say. Yes, exactly. Silence of the Lambs. And that is what the police thought. They thought, could this be a Buffalo Bill-esque Silence of the Lamb copycat killing?

Surely if this was the case, this would be the first in a series of murders. And lo and behold. No. Yes. Oh yes. On May 31st, around one o'clock in the afternoon, the Krakow police receive a phone call from an elderly man. Again, Polish privacy laws, I don't have his name. He claimed that his grandson had committed a murder in his house.

The police dispatched a team immediately. Yep. And what they found in the house was truly horrifying. If you're eating, maybe don't. In the basement of this house, which is in quite a rural area, it's not in the middle of the city. In the basement,

they found a corpse that was hanging upside down from the ceiling. The victim was a 50-year-old man who had been beheaded. The skin of his head and his face had been sewn into a mask. Oh, what the fuck? His head was found outside the house and the murderer was a Russian immigrant called Vladimir W. And the victim was his father. When Vladimir was interrogated by the police he stated that he had worn his father's face

and pretended to be him for an entire day and his grandfather had believed him because his eyesight was so poor. Yeah, I mean that's not going to fly outside the house. No. Oh my god. Exactly. Oh.

Vladimir put his crime down to the hatred of his father because he had left his mother in russia so can these cases be connected i feel like they're similar in the way of like the skinning and the sewing together and the making of the mask they also happen really quite close together sorry which, which happened first? Katarzyna happened first. Oh, okay. God, what? Yeah, exactly. And guess which university Vladimir went to? The massive Krakow university that Katarzyna went to? Exactly, they went to the same university.

And Vladimir studied psychology, which was one of the courses Katarzyna had tried and dropped out of before settling on religious studies. Oh, mate. They wouldn't have been in the same class because Vladimir started the year before Katarzyna, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they might have known each other.

What? Vladimir has never confessed to the murder of Katarzyna and he's currently serving only 25 years, which seems a little light, in a Russian prison. There's also been another case of murder victims being skinned in Krakow, which actually was in 1983 by someone called Jan N, and he murdered his wife and his teenage son. He skinned them, cut them up into small pieces,

and tossed them into the Vistula River. He was arrested, confessed, and was committed to a mental institution, but due to his ill health, he was released on parole right around the time. Oh, hello. But the police did not consider him as a serious suspect in the investigation, But due to his ill health, he was released on parole right around the time of Katarzyna's death. But the police did not consider him as a serious suspect in the investigation because he was so ill. And I do kind of feel like if you're ill enough to get out of prison, you're basically dead. Yeah, that's true. Surely.

That's true. But maybe he had, like, an apprentice. Maybe. Do you know what this really reminds me of as well yes buffalo bill but there is a horror film that i watched that disturbed me the most and this is quite similar have you ever watched martyrs you've told me about it and no i haven't because of what you told me about it yeah so anybody out there happy hallow. Maybe you're listening to this as like a little aperitif, a little amuse-bouche for your real horror,

for what you're going to watch for the rest of the evening, maybe. Can I suggest that you watch, if you can handle yourself, watch this French film, The Martyrs. I watched it and I had to stop it several times and wonder why I was watching it and why I should continue or stop watching it. And I decided that I should watch it all the way to the end just to give myself closure around what was happening. I think that's important when you're watching a scary film like that. It is absolutely horrifying. And if you've watched it, let me me know let us know on the

facebook group just how traumatized you were by it because i was anyway back to what you were saying i also read that in 2000 dna found on katarina's skin remember they never actually found her actual body was tested against suspects and sex offenders known in cracker but offered no conclusive results but how the fuck is skin that has been in the water for two to three weeks yielding any dna at all no way i don't buy that for a second but yeah that's that's all i got that is horrendous isn't it and terrifying that it's unsolved. Because I think it's reasons like this. Like, it is so specific.

And it's also, I think the reasons that I'm really freaked out by product killers is because what they want from the body is so bizarre and abstract and, like, I just can't wrap my head around it. As opposed to, like, a process killer wants to see the fear in your eyes. We're all very familiar with that. They get off can't wrap my head around it. As opposed to like a process killer. Wants to see the fear in your eyes. We're all very familiar with that. They get off on the sadism side of it. But a product killer, like, they just want to fuck around with a dead body.

Like, it's just so bizarre. It's horrible. This one is like particularly stuck with me. For some reason. Yeah. I mean, I really feel like I'm not going to sleep that well tonight. Happy Halloween, guys, and this is the best season. I love autumn. I feel like my wardrobe

and my sensibilities are much more closely aligned with this, and this is the best season. I love fucking Halloween. So we're going to draw it out as long as we can. So we're going to bring you part two of our Halloween special next week. We will, so... Just to keep the fun going. Yeah, I'm always sad when Halloween's over,

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