RedHanded - RedHaunted x I Could Murder A Podcast | #423

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

For our second Halloween special we’ve teamed up with I Could Murder A Podcast for a super-spooky fancy dress edition of RedHaunted recorded in a magician’s house. So, join us by the hearth for tales of faceless ghosts, disappearing babies, and “wet maps of Africa” on the front of a man’s trousers.For the full spooktacular experience, head to youtube.com/@redhandedthepod from the 30th of October.Exclusive bonus content:Wondery - Ad-free & ShortHandPatreon - Ad-free & Bonus EpisodesFollow us on social media:YouTubeTikTokInstagramVisit our website:WebsiteSources available on redhandedpodcast.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And welcome to Red-Hadid Halloween special Part 2, 2020-25 finale edition with Freddie Mercury and Elvis. Hey. Hello. Hello, hello, hello. It's so good to see you both. You too. Thank you so much for joining us today in this very interesting spot that we are in. We are in Sandrake's House of Magic.

in Kennington, South London. Very interesting place. I nearly dropped Nemo there. Very interesting place. But before we get to that, and everything else we're doing today, do you guys want to please introduce yourselves? We are, I Could Murder a Podcast. Excellent.

Thank you so much. It was all we had. It was all I had. That's better sometimes. Yeah, that's better. We're a true crime podcast. We're a little bit of a baby in comparison, but we're still finding our way in the world.

Yeah, we just wanted to say, you know, happy Halloween, tricky time of year. but this is a real treat to be here today so thank you so much I like that I like that tricky time I'm really embarrassed that I took so long to get that

We went down to go to the toilet before we came on I realised like in this costume which is an Elvis costume not Superman The magician said he was like Superman and he said it's a shit costume He is a shit Superman costume

Fucking shit But good Elvis Yes But I realised I couldn't take it all I had to take it all off To go to the toilet And then I thought Halloween, trick, treat, boom.

Let's go and film. Welcome to the world of jumpsuits. It's not fun. Biggle pockets? No pockets and just very unflattering. That's not true. You look wonderful. You're so kind.

Thank you so much. But yeah, thank you so much for having us. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much for joining us today. Your outfit's quite self-explanatory. Anything you want to tell us about the little Freddy? It's just a coincidence.

My little Freddy. A little Freddy. There is a little Freddy down here. We was looking down going, no. Yeah, I just growing up, I love Freddie Mercury. I used to get my mum to buy the little fake mustaches when I was little because I liked him so much. When I grew up, I'd have a hairy chest.

And that was all I wanted. Well, mission accomplished. Thank you so much. Congratulations. But, yeah, that's the only real reason for Freddie. But Elvis? Yeah, we went through a few other costumes for me just to go alongside Freddie. And I was just going to come in an orange jumpsuit, but then the fodder that that would open me up to.

Oh, yeah. What have been accused of, what I've gotten away with, what I've been charged with. We'll go through that late. Oh, I thought you were going to be because I'd want to be like, it's not funny to laugh at somebody being sent to prison. Oh, yeah, and there was a moral element to it as well. I was also, also, I googled it. He's offensive to some crowds.

So I played it safe with Elvis. I think he's quite problematic as well. Bit of a non-th. Oh, there are stories. Did you know Priscilla in when she was quaint? I got that part. Hannah? Well, I have been waiting 10.

10 years for this moment. It's fantastic. Thank you. Well done. I cannot express you in words how happy this will make my mum. Because she, every year, she will text me and be like, well, when are you going to do Dala for Halloween? And she sent me all of the links. So everyone thinks I've made a massive amount of effort.

But actually, I've just been waiting for this moment. Costume hoard. And now I've done it. So now I can die happy. It is great. I'm going to put Nemo on the floor. Good costumes all around, I think. I have gone a bit more abstract.

I have gone with this because I didn't want to be a total stick in the mud and not do it at all. So I went with my biggest fear, which is a toilet snake. So it's basically the idea of sitting on a toilet and a snake coming out of the U-Bend and biting you, biting me on the vagina. That's my biggest fear. And then I saw recently a video of a man in Thailand and it happened to him, but a bit in my balls. and it wouldn't let go So, I don't know Actually, why was anyone filming him

While he was on the toilet Yeah, that's true It's curious Oh, he wasn't filming it himself It was third person Now I think about it Have you heard about that fish That if you wee into the Amazon water

It goes up the stream Have I? Yeah, that's scary But I don't know what that looks like In a costume for Halloween No, that is A piss fish Great fish

It's because it reminds me Of that scene from 90 Day Fiance I don't know if anyone else has watched it Oh, I love that. Paul, where he goes to the Amazon, to meet Kairini, and he wears a condom to get into the water because he's scared the fish going to swim up his penis. Oh, I love that show so much.

That's not all here to talk about. Introductions made, shall we have a little drink? That's actually, it's not bad. It's not as disgusting as you think. You get the kick of the Red Bull, and then you get the wine. Exactly. Best of both worlds. Turbo. We thought it'd be fun.

Well, you know, four true crime podcasts are hanging out together. to do some bait AMA. And for the Americans, that means obvious. And maybe people younger than us. I think bait is the word that we use the most that very specifically indicates how old we are and where we're from. Yes, probably.

I say sweet. They're good and cool, and I feel that's very uncool to say now. Where did you guys grow up? Cambridge. Oh. That's why I say sweet. Yeah, yeah.

So, who wants to kick off with the first bait question? What's our usual typical ones? It's the... Well, we've learnt just before we started filming where your stance is on curly fries and on that subject, usually quite a typical one is what would your death row meal be? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

I feel like this changes a lot for me. What's my death row? What's your death row meal? A bucket of barbecue fried chicken from barbecue fried chicken in Chang'an, South Korea, nowhere else. You're very loyal. That is a consistent answer, I like that. Curly fries?

They're up there, yeah. It would probably be some form of curly fry. Maybe a loaded one. No, I'm a big pizza guy as well. So probably a stone-baked pizza would be on there as well. Any toppings? Just my... Just, yeah, just maybe a meat feast.

Maybe some Korean chicken on top. I don't know. I'm being greedy now. Leave them a mess to clean up. Well, I'm veggie, but I might go back to eating meat for a donna cab for the final one. That's a great answer. I'll lose my morals at the very end. If I'm there, I already lost my morals if it was a death row.

Are you happy for me? Because that literally links to death road to talk about you nearly dying from a Dona Cabab? Yes, please. Didn't really die. I just... I have a thing where sometimes I choke a bit. And it gets... Basically, I got really excited.

Not in a sexual way. Not a sexual way, though. I didn't enjoy it. And yeah, first bite of this next cabab, basically got lodged in my throat. And I had to go to hospital about it. And they'd put a thing down my throat to try and see it. they asked me to swallows. I can't swallow because I'm choking. And then I'm basically in this, the room, just swallowing on the camera whilst being a bit sick.

And then they kept me overnight. And I work up with doctors around me. They go, drink this water. I can't drink, because I can't swallow. They're like, drink it. So I did that I'm sick immediately in front of them. Oh, my God. And then they just put me on and took the cab out of my mouth. So we were still there? Yeah, yeah, just that one bit of kebab.

Really savoured the first bite for hours. And got through it in the end there. And that pushed you into becoming veggie? No, it just, no. It was coincidence. Yeah, but my last meal, I want to try that again. Fair, fair. And then you go out on your own terms if you choke on it again.

I like that. I feel like depends on the mood. Right now, I would just like a big bowl, a fried rice. You know this. My biggest anger is when I go to a restaurant and I've ordered some sort of rice dish and then they won't let me take it away because they tell me it's like health and safety. Really? Because apparently it will kill you.

And I'm like, what? I thought a teaspoon of water and you can microwave and it's good. I have no health and safety standards on my house. Is there a case that you would never do? We had two when we died, which we were very kind of adamant we weren't going to do. And then at the time, I was kind of like, it's a bit strange to pick ones because we cover other ones quite similar to that. The two that we said when we started the podcast that we wouldn't go near

was the murder of James Bolger and the Dunblane massacre. And predominantly that was because our parents, the age that they were at the time of these two cases, James Bolger that case absolutely broke my parents' heart and as did much of the country at the time and then Dumblein was kind of a... Yeah, I think my mum was a teacher

so I think she just kind of linked the age of students and all that happened in and so we've ended up covering them but we were very careful with them and yeah, it wasn't, we're quite lighthearted with our true crime but we were quite down the middle for that one. Yeah. Why are you guys? James Bolger was definitely one of them

And similarly, because it's actually quite interesting because my parents came to the UK when James Bolger was murdered. Like it was within weeks of when they'd like moved out here. And so they were just like, what the fuck? And it was just like something that really stuck in their minds. But a few years ago, I was like, no, this is silly. Like it's a really important like pivotal case in UK history.

Like we should talk about it. And I started to write it. And I told you this. And like my Google Doc just went crazy. It was really bizarre. It was like lines all over my laptop and I just, I couldn't get my laptop to turn off or turn back on. And then when I did, that page just looked super corrupted, even though every other page looked good. And I'm not, I'm not like a believer in spooky things. Drink. We said we were playing a drinking game where we said we'd drink every time someone said spooky. But the consensus was we wouldn't be named spooky that much. Cyril also hasn't been drinking for a while, so she's going to get fucked up.

No. Nice. And I haven't been having caffeine. She's just going to drop ten. Yeah. It just really freaked me out, even though I was like, obviously there's not James Bulger's fucking ghost in my laptop, but it really freaked me out. And I just, I never went back to it. I just was like, nope, I'll write something else.

I got a bit of, I'm sure you guys have got a flack in the past. We're having certain opinions on things. Not really? Yeah, the nature of the game. I mean, what I said on that case in particular, I was like, you either believe in rehabilitation or not in terms of with children doing things. And then my idea was just like you can't just say one thing for one case, one thing for another. You could believe in doing that rehabilitation.

And then some people just, you know, went to town thinking I was saying, yeah, it's not my point I was making. But it's a tricky one. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky and part comedy. The stories we cover are well researched.

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in the Wondry app or on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. All right. If there's one case that you could have solved, there's a mystery, what would that case? If you could know the definitive answer.

Wow. Michael, that's Michael Pearson. I mean, but the staircase... I told you. It's not a bad impression. It's a good impression. Wow.

I was lucky. But, yeah, Michael Peterson's staircase. Because, I know some people go, that small. He 100% did both the murders. But I've gone full circle of that. And I've landed on the owl. It's the biggest thing that, like, convinced you it was the owl.

It's the blood and front door and the little micro owl feathers. How do you get micro owl feathers in your head? Like, how does that happen? And I've also kind of followed that case a little bit and looked at his son's Instagram recently. And it is Bush. Michael Peterson living with him. And it's just a very weird dynamic.

And yeah, I don't know. That one's always fascinated me, but why you? I keep kind of chopping and changing between, I have quite a strong opinion on the John Bonnet-Ramsey case. I get called out every time I have this opinion because apparently it's a common opinion, but there's not as much way to it, but I just don't, I don't feel comfortable

when I watch interviews with Brother Burr. Thank you. We're both Berkers. Oh, perfect. There was another case. I literally have the name, maybe you could help me, the name of the case on my mind. It's about a group of young Americans that went missing in the mountains.

driving back from a football game. Yuba County 5. That case has, so we did, you know, it sounds awful. We did a Christmas special a few years ago, but put up in the mountains in the snow. That case has bugged me so much because there's so much to it and there are so many different, you know,

there was a witness that had a heart attack whilst the boys were apparently in the mountain. It's, yeah, the Yuba County 5, I'm so fascinated. That one is a very, we did that one years ago. What about you guys? I think the one for me on Robert 1. Robert 1.

I should know if you guys have heard about it. It doesn't ring a bell. It's really good. I would highly recommend listening to our episode or waiting until our episode is out, whichever. Basically, very, very short summary about it. 32-year-old lawyer in D.C., he goes, he's like, works late, and then he goes to his friend's house, who he's known since university, to stay the night because he lives, like, a 40-minute drive outside of the city.

and his friend, and he lives with his partner, Victor, and a lodger, Dylan. Everything's normal. He gets there, 79 minutes after Robert gets there, which is only at like 10.30, so not like the middle of the night. There's an I'm-on-one-one call from the house, and it's the husband, and he's calling the police saying, someone's been stabbed in the house, and it's Robert. And Robert's been stabbed, and he's dead. They say, the three men in the house say there was an intruder in the house. but there is literally not one shred of evidence

that anybody came into that house. There is no evidence. It's like, and I don't even mean just like, oh, well, you know, the absence of evidence doesn't mean, no, like, there's no way someone could have come into the house. It's like a mid-terriss townhouse and the back garden is like literally just a courtyard surrounded by super high fences. And there's still cobwebs around the top of the fences.

Oh, the wholen on the top of the, and like, how is somebody going to have bolted over that into a neighbor's garden and run off into the night? Even though the neighbours were awake, and we're like, we didn't see anybody fleeing through our garden. And everything's been undisturbed on the top. Like, there's no way. There's no way. So it's one of them.

It's definitely one of the men in the house. What does the snake think? He knows. But he doesn't know if this episode is out yet or not. No, and basically, like, the weird thing is that Robert's found in bed and he's been stabbed. There's, like, no blood. And so they think that someone's cleaned it up. But, like, you can't clean up blood that easily or that quickly.

Was the knife still inserted? Well, that's another question. It wasn't there when the police got there, but the story changes about whether it was in him or whether it was on the bedside table. And I don't think he died of the stab wounds. I don't think they cleaned it up. I don't think he died of the stab wounds.

But the biggest thing, and I will leave it at that, is that they find seaman on Robert and inside him. And when you hear that, you're like, well, that's who did it. Whoever seaman that is, is the one who killed Robert. Do you want to guess who it was? His own Roberts. It was here for him. I know.

So is it still a... I don't want to spoil the episode, is it still a technically unsolved case or was there justice for Robert? No justice. Wow. Wow. Spooky. Wow.

Tiber wine sounds not so bad. Christ. Yeah. Well, the setting of that reminds me of a case we covered recently which was the Dr. Snea and Philip. She was a young doctor in New York. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

But there was lots going on in her life in the build-up to September of 2001, there were allegations. And the part of this episode that I hated was potentially falling into the trap of speaking ill of the dead. But there was a lot going on in her life at the time in terms of her marriage was on the rocks.

The family were in debt. She'd been sacked from a recent facility that she worked at. There were allegations about different sexuality that she may have. 9-11 happens. She was out drinking in a bar in New York in a known gay bar in New York.

Her husband was at work. She never came back, but there were calls made to the apartment. 9-11 happens. She's a doctor. She's in the area, literally walking distance from the Twin Towers, and she was never seen again. So people immediately were, okay, she's a doctor. She ran in to try and help people. And her brother did an interview on national television to say that I was on the phone with her. She told me she needed to run into the building and help people. And he later admitted that that was a lie. And the phone call never happened.

So the case, she's still legal, I think she's been legally declared dead, although she's been missing since 9-11. and it was, yeah, that was a similar circumstances but just such an uncomfortable read in terms of, you know, other people were theorising she fled the country and she's living a new life and she, you know, faked her death to start this new life. But it's, yeah, it's always hard when you're dealing with cases where there hasn't yet been justice for these people.

I've got a good question. So have you guys ever been contacted by anyone involved in any of the cases that you guys have covered? Yes I feel like you've got a better story No No so you tell us first We've had a couple

Interesting ones Jury member from the Menendez case Whoa I mean to be fair She did seem like the type of person That would contact anyone That released any content About the case

But very interesting opinions And then the main one was I was out the other day To grab a coffee And then got a message from Ben And it was a screenshot And it said You did a case

On episode on my husband And we were like yeah we're like don't know who that is and like we're just kind of sitting there like you know when you gut just kind of goes you know who is this what have we said about them and we didn't know in that instance whether or not they were the victim or so we did ask like oh so who was it and it turned out to be we do minisodes on on our website basically and it was a minnesota we did Randy Herman Jr who he when he was sleepwalking he killed a housemate allegedly allegedly well you know he did kill them but wherever it was murdered sleepwalking heart was alleged

I'll get, sorry. But yeah, yeah, so there was a Hulu documentary who got absolutely slated for being very kind of sympathetic towards him. But yeah, he basically, it's a very interesting case. But yeah, his wife, message us saying if you wanted access to him and any of the court things, he's still in prison, which was bizarre. We assumed it was a money-making ploy,

because why else would you really... Raise awareness? Yeah, but then they got a documentary which is very sympathetic about it. If we were going to do it, we'd try to be. There's a petition to get the documentary removed, which has got like over 100,000 signatures, which you don't usually hear too much. And it was, so it was in August because Tom and producer Dan, who's not here,

but they very kindly did like a birthday shout out for me. And you know in the message requests folder on Instagram? So there was like, I had a couple dozen, like, happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday. And then just this one line that said, you did an episode about my husband. And I was like, oh, okay. And then they didn't say who it was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we politely responded, you know, okay thank you so much for reaching out who was the husband then we got this information we haven't yet gone back and hopefully they're not listening yeah I'll be sleeping cheers I'll drink for that you've got a second one and I got my own one no slightly poorly poured on and the other one was where someone who was actually studying at virginia tech when that happened and we covered the case and they were very you know very nice about it saying like did they know the shooter I don't know if they did they said that they were there at the

On campus. And they just said it's important to keep the message out there. Because the thing with being slightly lighthearted, true crime, like you guys do as well. Sometimes you think, like, you're walking a bit of a tightrope. But then when people respond who are actually there in part of the case saying, it's important to get the story out really like how you told it, you feel like, okay, that feels the best thing they could possibly ever say. But, yeah, it's very jarring to have someone reach out.

The other one was the dad. Gary Plauchy? Gary Plosh, Jr. The footage where the guy was on the phone, in an airport, and the guy's going to walk through by the police, and he turns from the phone, he shoots the guy. Gary, I think it's Gary Plauchet, Jr. His son was going to a local gym.

I believe he was getting karate lessons from this older gentleman in this gym. It turns out for many years, this older gentleman in the gym was molesting and being sexually inappropriate. He was abusing this young boy. And the father found out about it. The father was the one that got him all these lessons. and the instructor was arrested. He was being transferred from a different state via plane.

A news crew were there to film the transfer of him through this airport. And in the background, you see a dad with a hat and glasses on, and he just suddenly turns. Yeah, because he kidnapped his son. He kidnapped his son, didn't he for a while? Kidnapt his son, yeah. He kidnapped his son reached out, yeah, the victim of the case. Yeah, reached out as well, yeah, which is, yeah, it's very kind of,

sometimes you do the podcast, you don't think about who's listening. And it's obviously very good to start thinking about that as well. But yeah. But you're just in a little room together or remotely or whatever. And you don't think about the wider world. Or in a magician's house. No, it's so true. I think it's easy to lose sight of who's listening and how many people are.

I don't mean it. And they're like, oh, we have this responsibility. But it's like it's just good to be cognizant of the fact that people are listening. Because I think when we do live shows, it's like a reminder. And yes, when people message us. But, like, yeah, otherwise it's just you two and a mic or you three and a mic. I think we've had a few ones of people get in touch. I think the best one is probably old Hamface, which I probably shouldn't use that name.

Hamface or Uncle Ron, I would like him. Yes. Well, so Hamface. Did you guys ever cover or have you come across the Gable Tosti case? No. So Gable Tosty, very interesting man. It took place in Australia. and basically he matched with this woman on Tinder

and then he goes on a date with her brings her back to his house I believe her name was Warina and she was just on holiday there like for a wedding from New Zealand and she's like, you know, having a little holiday romance and he immediately starts like being quite weird

like he starts audio recording the entire date without her knowing and they've gone out, they've had some drinks, they're back at his house and I had to sit and listen to all of this raw audio and it is hours and hours and hours long and it's so inane, but it's also quite invaluable because of what happens next. And basically what ends up happening is that Rorina dies. He says that she jumped off his balcony. But what it

obviously sounds like in the audio is they have a fight and then he puts her out on the balcony. He says, I just put her out on the balcony and close the door, but I didn't do anything else. And then she was so drunk and crazy that she threw herself off the balcony. And to me, I was like, okay, you know, I'm not there. It's not a video recording. I can't say it. But I said, listening to the audio, that's not what sounds like it's happening, because you can hear him put her outside, and you can hear the glass door of the balcony close, and you can hear her voice become more muffled. So it sounds like, yes, she is now on the other side of the balcony and you're inside. I can hear. But the thing I can't hear, she sounds hysterical

the whole time he's moving outside, and she sounds really hysterical when he puts her on the balcony, like insanely hysterical. And I'm sorry, if somebody locked me out on a balcony and I wanted to get back in, I'd be banging on the door. She never banged. on the door. So I theorise he put her over the railings. And that's why she's so hysterical and she's holding on. Because what? You're telling me and everybody else then that she's standing on the other side of the balcony screaming at you to let her in, but her arms are by her side and she's not banging on the glass door. Like that doesn't make sense. And also she falls immediately. She's like five seconds and she's falling and she hits the floor. And then he calls a lawyer.

And then he goes to Domino's. Anyway, like I just said it doesn't make sense. but that's what she would have been doing. I think he put her over the railing. So he is responsible for her death. And he didn't go to jail for it. He got away with it. And then he basically heard... Back on Tinder.

Back on Tinder. And he basically found out about it because he does have like this weird like following of women that are like obsessed with him. What is this? Which is just so despicable. Yeah. And they basically told him that we had covered this case.

And then he got in touch with us and was like, he has this whole thing where he thinks he's very. attractive and like you know obviously it's a long time ago she made fun of people's appearance but I did say he's got better a ham face be of hammy face it's not my best work and then basically our listeners and we did tell them not to we were like don't go looking for him please don't look for this man don't call him ham face that was just a little joke between us and then they were like calling him this and then he just got obviously very irate and I honestly think there's loads of shows that say he did it but we are maybe a show that two women

laughed at his appearance and I think that's what he didn't like. And yes, it was low, but whatever. And he basically was getting in touch thus being like, I'm going to report you to HMRC. Like, that was his threat. Literally, go on company's house, mate. Like, we pay our taxes.

It's very obvious and clear and easy to find. Neil and clapback as well, ham, ham-r-c. It was a fucking struggle that one. Good one. Because I was not familiar at all with the case. And I'm not going to go and call him a ham face. But I'm with the guys. I was gripped by that story

and then midway through around the balcony moment I realized that you were holding a snake going for a toilet lid and I just started staring at the snake and I'm like, Steve. Yeah. Now, shall we do story swap?

Yes, please. Okay. So this is actually from one of our listeners. So we used to do something on Red Handed a long time ago called Red Haunted where we'll get our listeners to send in their ghost stories. And now we're back with a band. So let's go.

This one, spooky kids. Oh, we're not doing spooky. This is the problem with the drinking game thing, is that we always think it's a good idea, and then everyone forgets halfway through. Okay, right. So, I think this was anonymous because I don't have a name here. I used to work in a children's nursery

that operated out of an old refurbished farmhouse. Like many older buildings, there were occasional ghost stories passed around by staff, but they were always laughed off. I didn't believe them. Until one day, something happened that I've never been able to explain. The attic was the infant's area, separated into two zones. There was the infant's playroom,

and then down a dark, narrow corridor, you reached the cot room, where the little ones napped. A video monitor was set up so staff could keep watch of the babies as they slept alongside physical checks every 10 minutes. That afternoon, after the children had finished eating, most were settled down for their naps. Only two of us were on duty, as everyone else had gone to lunch. My colleague went to do a quick routine check,

and when she came back, she remarked that the cot room felt strangely cold, so she turned the heating up in there. Neither of us thought much of it at the time. But not long after, we noticed something strange on the video monitor. I don't like it. No, I feel like that's the... Did you guys ever, and I'm going to shut, do that Karim case?

Do you remember that one? Yes, sure, dear. Karim. Okay. K-U-R-I-M? No, I'm immediately thinking of that woman who has had so little sleep then looks at a baby monitor,

sees herself on it, bicking her child up, and has a panic attack. Someone's with my baby, and it was her because she'd had so little. It went semi-viral. Oh, God. Yeah.

I haven't seen that one. No, this one's much worse. This is horrible. You should, you should, you can, you can have. it for a future Halloween one because we've done it. It was the one where there's this like couple that live in this house and they have, is it, they've got a baby monitor. Yeah, they've got a baby monitor and it starts picking up interference. And this is a real story. I might be getting

it wrong. I can't remember the details, but I know the worst bits I am correct about. And basically it was picking up interference from next door and there was a family that were abusing their kids but I mean like skinning them and they were like have like had some sort of weird torture cults going on next door I feel like I can't remember all the exact details that's basically yeah that's enough and they called the police and that's like how the girls were rescued so this isn't as bad as that so yeah so yes they see something weird on the video monitor screen basically one of the cots showed the shape of a baby pressed up against the bars of the crib.

It was hard to miss, even with the grainy black and white feed. Now, obviously, she says, we were alarmed, so following safety policy, my colleague went to move the child. She came back almost immediately, though, looking pale and unsettled, and said a sentence I've never been able to forget. There isn't a baby in that cot. At first, I laughed, saying, what do you mean?

We both saw a baby on the video feed, clear as day. Assuming she'd made a mistake, I made my way down to the corridor to check for myself. The ancient floorboards creaked with every step I took, like the house itself was warning me. And when I opened the door to the cot room, I realized something was different. The room was icy cold. My skin prickled, my breath fogged. I went to check the central heating, like my colleague said, it was on full blast. The babies didn't even seem to be affected by the cold. They were all sleeping peacefully. I went from cot to cot, confirming each child was

accounted for. And I started to relax. Maybe my colleague was just mixed up earlier. As I made my way over to the cot in question, I waved in the direction of the camera, as if to say, everything's fine in here. But then I stopped in my tracks. All the babies were asleep, except one. The cot, the one occupied on the monitor, was empty. There was completely nothing there. Now the goosebumps on my arms were for more than just for cold. Back in the playroom, me and my colleague tried to dismiss it. Maybe it was just a glitch in the monitor. But as we

spoke, the lights flickered. Once, twice, long enough to make us both freeze. We phoned the manager who was downstairs and asked her if there was anything wrong with the electrics today. She said no. Now, seriously spook, we insisted that she... Spooked.

You're probably? Oush. I've smashed mine. We insisted she come upstairs now. The moment the manager stepped foot in the attic, the lights went out completely for a second before flaring back on, steady and bright. The baby stayed quiet, as though nothing had happened. Our manager was sceptical, thinking maybe we were pranking her. But when we tried to show her the monitor, the feed was clear. Every cot was visible. There was no trace of what

we'd seen, nothing at all. What could it have been? A trick of the monitor? Our imaginations? I don't know. The two of us saw the same exact thing and neither of us could explain it. But I'll never forget what I saw, what I felt. I still think about that empty cot and whatever, whoever was inside it. Oh, and it says whisper, Simon. And whatever or whoever was inside it. There you go. What was it? Ghost baby? Demon baby. I think Alzheimer's. out of the monster If you're running a nursery I think you should know how many kids are there

and the layout and you should be on that, right? Yeah. I just am not convinced that any nursery actually has cots in it. Aren't they supposed to be like free-roaming babies? Yeah, that's a very good point. I don't know. When was the, what was the era of this case?

Was it? I don't know. Back in the day. The era is a Gmail that was closed. And we have just reopened. AOL. All right, should we talk about the Signal Awards? Sure.

Sure. That is the level of enthusiasm we would love you guys to have for us too. Because if you remember, we made the podcast series Flesh and Code with Wondery. We were super excited like the minute they brought that story to us. Because if you haven't listened to Flesh and Code, it's essentially about following people who essentially fall in love with their like AI companions. It's about Russian interference and all sorts of crazy things and about how these AI companions are to be trusted, whether this is a good thing, how it was impacting on a larger scale, and the ramifications when a replica that was the company at the heart of it took away the erotic role play function and didn't go well. Spoilers. So we loved making it. We spent, what, 18 months making that show? And we worked so, so hard on it. And so we are going to ask a very small favor of you guys. to ask, Flesh and Code has been put up for the listeners' choice category of the Signal Awards 2025. So we would love you guys to please help us out and basically try get some more eyes and ears

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of Lawless Planet early and ad free right now by joining Wondry Plus in the Wondry app, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. No, I don't know. I'd think they were glitch. A little glitch.

Yeah, a little... I hate to just put it down to that, but a little glitch. A little glitch. Yeah, it's one of me... I'm immediately thinking, thinking of, it's a really interesting question that producer Dan raised. We were doing a, do you know the Joel Guy Jr. case? The parent annihilator? We were doing an episode together

a few weeks ago and he talked about perspective when you're consuming true prime content. And actually, this might be a fascinating one to ask you guys and your lovely crew. When we were listening to your, your tale there, everyone that's listening to that has a different perspective of what you've just explained. Some people view it in first person. third person cinematically fly on the wall in the Joel Guy Jr. case there was a moment where

he's already unfortunately murdered his father her mother's out getting groceries for him for Thanksgiving he's hiding in the house waiting for his mom to come upstairs to find her husband deceased and Dan

consumes true crime content and reads all of these scripts in first person his head yeah so Albert Fish for example the old needles in the gooch um just throw that out of it

But Dan would be putting needles into himself Whereas I'm straight away Picture him putting needles and doing himself Sorry, sorry, yeah So the whole time you explained that I was there like I saw the baby monitors I was a fly on the wall I'm very cinematic with how I would listen to that

A lot of people are first person Yeah Wild, that's when you like find out Some people don't have an in a monologue I'm like what? Yeah, that amazing stuff What's going on in there? He was very

Wow He was He's very aware of the fact of this he's it because he's felt, so Dan's not perhaps as into true crime as we are, and there were a couple of cases when we used to film in person where you could feel him going faint

and like about to pass out and he needed to go and get some air. Yeah. So he's consuming true crime like he's watching peep show. Yes. Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's superhands.

He's been known. Super needles. But, well, okay, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, no, the whole time I was seeing a flickering monitor. I was seeing the room. Yeah, yeah. I was seeing empty cop.

And it's just, yeah, I wondered if there were any first person as in the room. No, no, no, I'd say. Any poves in the room? No. Any pobs? No. None. I mean, Dan asked the question.

Loads of people were like, me too, me too. It does get a bit crazy quite a lot, doesn't he? A lot. But that explains it when, you know, in that instance, I suppose he's an imaginary baby. Really? Or is he the scared nursery nurse? Yeah, I think the nurse. Or is he the flickering, glitching CCTV camera?

The thing about perspectives is it blows my mind. Yes or yeah? But no, there are. They definitely are. I'm sure there will be some of your listeners that are first person. I don't think I could listen to your crime if I was a first person. No. Maybe they're the people who don't like it.

Yeah, true. Yeah, that makes sense. We're torturing down every time we do a podcast. Yeah. He got very upset yesterday. we did uh we we talked about the case of emmett till oh yeah whoof yeah it's yeah um and it was again if you're you're know familiar with that story yeah dan put himself in first person for that which i'm saying he put himself like it was a choice

yeah yeah uh that's rough i don't think i could do this if i was in first person for these cases so i'm like come on let's let's keep talking and then i remembered his perspective and i'm like oh wow Jesus. Okay, no. When people are like, oh, how do you compartmentalize? Just not by being in first person. Yeah. Yeah.

Great answer. Watch her as a film so you're not being involved. Yeah. But there were more, there were loads of people that were like, yeah, I do that too. Why'd you keep listening? Why'd you? I mean, please, yeah, please, please, please listen. But. It's called it. Why? You said it was good earlier. Tell my story. I'm just reading it. You said it's pretty good. It slaps.

You did say that. So this fell really nicely for us. As a few series ago, we release episodes 12 weeks on, 12 weeks off. And Tom did a little segment which was called Spooky Corner. I haven't got one anymore. Would you like some of my beer? Yeah, I'd love some. So, yeah, a few months ago Tom had a segment, which was Spooky Corner.

and yeah, similar to you guys. We had loads of our listeners send stories in, and we weren't able to tell all of them, but I'm very happy to be able to share this one today. And it reads as follows. So this was actually sent in by Jim B. Okay. Hi chaps and ladies.

I'm horribly aware that this may be a bit late in being sent, but I wanted to recount this spooky event that happened to me some 30-odd years ago in the hopes that you gents and ladies find it interesting. while this occurred a long while ago just outside Maidstone in Kent it nonetheless has ingrained itself in the firmament

of my memory did I have to Google Firmament I've never heard that word before It's in the front of his mind It's always been on his mind So here it goes It happened as I was walking home From spending the evening with my mates

at the other end of town Fortify I love this way of just saying I was pissed by the way Fortified by the world's supply of alcohol I decided to take an unfamiliar shortcut through a nature reserve, most of which was wooded. As, doing so, would probably take off half an hour from my journey home. The downside of this shortcut was not only that it was a pretty scary place at night,

but it also required climbing over a large locked gate and therefore trespassing. Or trespassing, if you speak like me. But as CCTV wasn't really a thing back then, nor was the area patrolled by any kind of security, at least as far as I knew I thought it was a fairly safe bet that I wouldn't get pinged by anyone so I went for it assured in my somewhat addled brain

adult tipsy brain Adults a bit stronger than Yeah It's fermented If you want This is actually quite a big sentence Sorry That's right

I just put common in this So I put so many commas in this So I went for it Assured in my somewhat adult brain that my espionage skills would allow me to pass like shadows in the wind. Sadly, I was disabused of such prideful sentiments

as I found myself quickly entangled by Brambles, another snagging type undergrowth. Russell Brand, right there. I'm not necessarily weird. Yeah, no, but it puts you in it. Perspectives, it puts you there. Damn. It's right. So, Bram, basically,

he's climbing over a gate, he's had a few to drink. Got it. Scary Roo. Brambles. Undergrowth. Tyler's Bramble. So, as I elected to climb over the gate, it was situated at the very back end of the nature reserve in an area that was left to grow wild. I managed to free myself from the area with much of my arms and legs torn up, and more by dumb luck than judgment, I found myself on a woodland path that dropped down into a wide dip dissected by a stream, which crossed via a small bridge.

It's like Tolkien. It's universe building. The path then led up to the other side. and joined a main path that I knew would eventually lead out of the woods via a style and requiring the climb of another large gate before I would then be into a small housing estate close to home. This feels like when you read about like a hiking route on all trails. It's like a very, very detailed breakdown of your path.

Fuck all trails. I hate all trails. Because I feel like the categorisation of their trails is highly inaccurate. It's like Dwight Shrewd directions. All trails, the Dutch hikers in Panama Cloud. We quoted from that website on that trail, and it was interesting. But this, back to the story. Why, I will lead you astray. It will tell you it's like a seven and it'll be a nine.

As I slowly stumbled my way down the path, I suddenly became aware of a light bobbing and weaving through the trees to my left. Growning inwardly, I assumed I was about to get collared by a secure. security guard or some such attached to the end of a maglight torch and so started to prepare the dickhead who got lost on his way home routine which to be fair wasn't that far away from the truth apart from the trespassing thing as the light wove its way closer I soon saw that it wasn't a torch or indeed a pissed off security guard that was about to give me the good news with a massive maglight torch but it was what

appeared to be the upper torso of a man with arms flaying about like some sort of macabre puppet that seemed illuminated from the inside. If that makes any sense, this is what he's put. Yeah, it doesn't. As if that wasn't terrifying enough, I could see that he had no face whatsoever, just like a black void. He had long hair that appeared loosely tied back in a Regency-style ponytail slash platte, wrapped in a leather-looking ribbon.

I could make out the top half of its legs, which seemed to fade into nothing just above the knee. This guy is the best eyewitness Can you imagine the seeing this Being that scared and being like Regency style Leather ribbon And he's fucking pissed

The police are Like can you just come on Finishing shift At this point I was rooted to the spot Praying that the warm sensation Spreading down the front of my shorts Was just the result of my laboured climb

Up the steep hill The figure continued staggering past me Moving rather like one of those people you see old film reels as the frames jump about, giving the appearance of a jerky kind of walk. Oh, like the ring. Kind of like the ring. Yeah, very jerky. The figure then passed me and appeared to totally fade out from the head downwards.

Looking down, my worst fears were now confirmed as I stared at the wet map of Africa that had suddenly appeared on the front of my shorts. I've got a birthmark on my leg that looks like Africa. Get it out. There you go. Oh, yeah. You're welcome. I've got the British Isles on the top of my thigh

but that's for ONI fan But this was piss That is the best description of a piss patch That I've ever heard But to be honest I say that was fair play after witnessing What I had just seen With my senses returning to me

I took off at a rate that would give Usain Boat a run for his money Excuse the pun I have never seen anything like this before or since nor do I ever wish to. Some years later, I did some research into the area to try and see if any similar accounts were reported or any weird incidents existed.

I love it. He waited years before he looked into it. Not to that what I know. Bad hangover, bad hangover. And I soon came across a very interesting piece of history. It turns out the nature reserve is actually part of what was once the private gardens of a large manor house

known as a Vintas Manor that owned much of the land around there too. legend has it that two brothers who lived in the manner both fell in love with the same young lady who was the daughter of one of the tenant farmers upon finding out that she was the object of both of their desires they ended up fighting a jewel in woodland not far from their home the younger brother shot his older sibling

winning the jewel and the affections of the young lady it is no please no no no it's going to be good he's quick Jeremy wasn't good No, please. No, no, seriously. Seriously. It's not like you.

No, no, no. Okay. So, he's been shot. Sorry. It is said that the wounded duelist tried to make his way back, but died somewhere in the woods on the grounds of the estate. His stomach blown apart. On his face?

So maybe what I saw was some grisly replay of that brother's final moments. I would love to hear what you guys think. Or would do in a similar situation. Best wishes and a massive thanks for taking the time to read this. Cheers, Jim B. And Jim B, you can include my name if you want. And his signature, I believe, he works in quite a good job. Okay.

But what, well done, Jim? What, Jim. That was very good vocabulary, Jim. It was great. Yeah. I would have thought, because he said the thing had like a black void for a face, he would have been shot in the face. Yeah.

But no, shot in the stomach, okay. Face and above the knee, he said, didn't he? Okay. What's going on? Yeah. Big story. What would I have done? probably researched it sooner.

Yeah, less piss. I like to think. Oh, I definitely would have pissed myself. I definitely would have pissed myself. But I would have just got an Uber home. That's true. 94 slash 5. Black Cab.

Black Cab home. That's a good one. It's all right. Glad a big drop, Jim, because I would have been crucified in Parliament. And there's one downstairs. There is a crucifix downstairs. And we learned some words as well. Yes.

We did. I've forgotten the morning. Adult. Piss. Ferment. Cat. There you go. Also, I could murder red-handed.

Kind of flows. It kind of slaps. It's very good. It's very good. Probably who worked. Oh, this must be a question you get all the time. If you were going to murder someone, how would you do it? Oh, I went immediately quite bad, didn't I?

You did. I showed bad insight to my personality. Old folks home, wasn't it? And just slip somebody in the food. Yeah. But just because that's eating, you know, I don't know. That's how to get away with it. Yeah.

Sure. Icicle knife Yeah I've heard that one Ice sword is a good one Yes yeah I sawed Does yeah

I do feel quite emasculated Nice dagger I know people do say that But I'm like That's not always the main reason People get away with it Just because I couldn't find The murder weapon

That's very true There's like one in Edinburgh Isn't it Where off the It'll push off the old cliff top Yeah What's that called Arthur's seat

Is that the one Was it off after seat? I thought that's where they found the little coffins Yeah Yeah, they're on Arthur's seat, for sure. Am I making that up? No, they're like an ancient, yeah.

They are. Anyone know about that? Never mind. That's like a witch thing. It's not related to her. Okay, cool. Because you can't, yeah, with a push off a cliff, you can't really judge it. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, this is the thing. It's like, it's like, it's like, pushing your wife down the stairs if you didn't get the aisle to do it. Don't say, like, if you're Michael Peterson. You don't know that's going to kill her. Yeah, exactly. She'll just get up and be like, you push me down the fucking stairs. But why the box? owls? Why was the owls so angry?

Naturally, have you seen videos of owls, like there's like nest cams of owls in America snatching other birds from nests? And it's terrifying. And there was other people in the area who were like I was out jogging and an owl was at me in the back of the hood. They can also sit cross-legged. That's cool. Yeah. They're really long legs.

Oh, yeah, the skeletons of an owl are actually quite terrifying because it's just well, there you go. Who knew? Hannah, do you want to work? My, okay. Desperately. This is from She's spelled it R-H-I, which I would say re, like sure for Rihanna, probably.

Yeah. Okay, and here is what she has to say. In my early 20s, I started working at an extremely well-known haunted pub in wait for it, Cockwood Devon. It's called The Anchor Inn. The pub has a very nautical,

old-timey smugglers vibe, and it's over 450 years old. Originally, it opened as a seaman's mission way on the local harbour, a haven for soldiers and smugglers. And they bring the seamen themselves. Local legend says that the pub is haunted by a friendly fisherman and his dog. A fisherman's friend? Quite.

That is actually the title of this story. It's cute. And I knew all of these stories before I started working there. Little did I know how close I would get. To the seaman. That's where I went. I had my fair share of weird experiences whilst working at the pub. Like all of the staff members,

I often had a feeling of being watched from the dark corners of the bar snugs late at night while locking up. But one night, whilst I was chopping onions, seems like an odd late night task. Surely that's morning prep. I felt a whole hand on my waist, as if to move me out the way. I turned around to apologize to my fellow chef to find that no one was in the kitchen with me. It took a while to shake off the uncomfortable feeling of those hands.

Them hands. Gripping me. And as hard as I tried, I could never quite explain it away. Anyway, the time came where I needed somewhere to live. And the flat above the pub was surprised. surprisingly cheap, because it was 100% haunted. But I was poor, so I had to live there anyway. My first night was eerie, strange sounds and creaking a plenty,

with cold breezes coming through the ancient single pane windows that couldn't be replaced because it's a heritage site. Oddly, the sounds of voices coming up through the floorboards of my colleagues and guests laughing was actually quite comforting. So I drifted off to sleep quite happily. It doesn't sound like it. Although I didn't stay asleep. Every night without fail at about 4 a.m.

I would be woken up in a cold sweat by a Blair coming from the pub's burglar alarm. Tony Blair is just shouting at the end of your bed. If my sleep paralysis is telling him was Tony Blair. I'm not being. We're talking about this in the Aussie today. that about when like Sophie, etc.

at school they were all really worried about obesity so all the children had to be weighed and everyone had to be weighed in front of everyone. But obviously our generation, Tony Blair was just quite worried that we actually couldn't read. So he was just literacy and numeracy, wall to wall. I'm going to prove that worrying a bit.

Anyway, every time Tony Blair appeared, I would jump up and go and turn it off and check for intruders, but there was never anyone there. So, re-assumed that the alarm sensors must be faulty if they're going off at 4 o'clock in the morning every single day. So the landlord had them checked out.

But they were perfectly fine. The only thing that could possibly trigger the alarm was the presence of a person, especially Tony Blair. One night, I woke up in a cold sweat again at 4 a.m., naturally. But this time it wasn't the alarm. There was a loud banging on my wall. As my eyes adjusted to the darkness,

I saw a bearded man, wearing a thick fisherman's jumper and a distinctive hat stood in the corner of my room, staring right at me. I shot upright and flicked the bedside light on, but he had vanished. And then, I heard it. Pause on the flagstones below, scurrying around the pub downstairs. I grabbed my trusty club. Are you all right? Sleeping with a club under your pillow? All right, Fred Flynn's day.

And with my heart in my throat, I ran downstairs, only to find the pub completely empty with all of the doors locked and everything completely still. I knew then for certain that I was not alone. The next morning, I smudged my apartment with Sage and used some protective spells that my witchy mother gave me to try and make a pact with my ghostly roommate. You stay in the pub downstairs, Tony Blair, and I will stay upstairs. To my amazement, it worked. After that night, the alarm stopped, and Tony Blair, in his fisherman jumper never returned. Years later, scrolling through Facebook, a local history page had posted a photo of the anchor in in 1885. Pushing a wheelbarrow on the harbour. Facing the camera was the very

same Tony Blair that I saw in my bedroom, same beard, same war crimes, same thick fisherman jumper, same hat. A little bit of wee came out when I saw that photo. So much piss. The picture, solidified what I had been trying to laugh off for so long that the anchor in was in fact haunted as fuck thankfully I don't live there anymore and I'm only a daytime customer the end

oh thank you yeah well done a wheelbarrow on a port is something I've never pictured before how are you getting this stuff off the boat that's true but it's just it's a garden so this was a story from one of our listeners

I'm going to call it woof-wuff That's cute Well, see how cute it is by the end So 32 years ago But always stuck with me First things first I'm very skeptical I don't believe in ghosts

In the way the mainstream perceives Supernatural And this is probably the only time I can remember in my life I was generally afraid Even though I was just a child It's still something I questioned so much to this day

I lived in a two sorry flat In a small village just north of Cardiff The flats had the exact same layout With my mum Toddler brother and older brother Along with myself in the top flat underneath was my mum's best friend her partner and son the same age as my younger brother

it was a bit of a 90s set up we had a living room arrangements where kids had the same bedroom etc anyway one morning me and my older brother were up early watching sharky and george great show remember yeah sharky and george detectives off the seat and my mum was reading with my younger brother

asleep in his cot we had a massive scream with mum rushed into the bedroom to find my brother crying at the corner of the wall she picked him up and he was absolutely soaked like a bucket of water had been thrown over him. He kept pointing and say, Lady and Woof-Woof. There was a bit of confusion,

but we all went to the living room when Mum dried and changed him. Then a minute later, thereabout, we heard someone walking up the stairs outside. There were metals that could always hear someone coming. Bang on the door and loudly opened it, we heard our neighbour downstairs came in crying with a boy

was also soaking wet and crying. He also said an old lady and a dog. They were both about three years old at the time So they didn't know what each other were saying Both cots were in the same room And they both pointed in the same corners That mum's friend showed us It was such a strange experience

And the older I got The weirder I thought this experience was How they both weren't connected in any way But they said exactly the same thing And they were both soaking wet We moved the year later My younger brother doesn't remember a thing about it But what do you guys think happened

Just from Darren Pittway Go on Darren So the younger brother and his friend Who lived upstairs both said they saw the same thing and were both found soaking wet. Yeah, both saw it said Old Lady and a dog

and they both were soaking wet as if been in front of a bucket over them but it was two stories, the flats. No residue of water bomb. A little bit of a balloon scattered on the floor. Even with that, it's like, how are they seeing out the window

seeing a lady in a woof-woof? Yeah, but if you're a kid and you're not going to be looking at and seeing outside the window. Well, if you're then suddenly wet... I don't know, it has to be a great shot for a water balloon for a window. But yeah, like Dasler,

He said dazzler on here, by the way. Dasler, yeah. Dasler, yeah. That's, yeah, I don't know how to explain that. Well, that was fantastic. Thank you guys so much for sharing your stories. And thank you to everyone who wrote in. Sorry if we didn't pick your story.

Maybe next time. Has anyone got any final thoughts, feelings, concerns? Clugs. Listen to our podcasts, red-handed, and I could murder a podcast. Yeah, it sounds like you have some humdingers coming out soon. Very interesting cases. So we'll be sure to check those out. Yeah, we're wrapping up our series will have been finished Halloween.

But yeah, we might do some specials, maybe some spooky Halloween specials and maybe a Christmas special. But, you know, we just wanted to say so thank you so much to you guys and to your lovely crew. And thank you so much for having us on. Yes, me. It's been a very big pleasure. Absolutely pleasure. Thank you for joining us. We don't often hang out with other podcasters, so this was lovely.

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