RedHanded - ShortHand: Area 51

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

Alien autopsies, flying saucers, and top secret government programs: three things alleged to be hiding in ‘Area 51’. Officially known as Homey Airport or Groom Lake, this secret government testing facility in Nevada has been the epicentre of UFO folklore for over a century – yet the CIA only admitted its existence in 2013.So what’s really going on behind those big metal gates? Listen to this week’s ShortHanded to find out!--Patreon - Ad-free & Bonus EpisodesYouTube - Full-length Video EpisodesTikTok / InstagramSources and more available on redhandedpodcast.com

Hello, hello. And hello to those listening from space. Because I know they're listening. They're watching and listening. I'm far away. Is that what we're going to discover today? Yeah. Oh no.

You guys are fucking up. We have no interest in coming down there because you're going to destroy yourselves. Well, evidently. Us simple humans have long been obsessed with the skies above us. And sometimes we see things up there that we just can't explain. In particular, we tend to see flying discs soaring above us. They've been recorded since the Middle Ages. The most famous one happened in 1561,

and it's now described as a celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg that appeared in the middle of the day. And if you look up illustrations of it, because obviously there were no photographs because it's the 1500s, it basically looks like a big circle with a face and it's surrounded by flutes and crosses. So not the sun? No.

Oh? Right. No, it is. separate to the sun. Oh. And yes, it's very famous. It just happened in the middle of the day, and everyone in Nuremberg was like,

the fuck is that. So I'm looking at it now. It really looks like the sun. Am I looking at the right thing? Yes, yes. So they're like, that's not the sun? Yeah. That's a celestial object.

Yeah. Okay. They could have made it look different to the sun. It's the 1500s. It's given them a break. That's probably an embroidery. It really looks like the fucking sun. I've seen it.

Okay. Moving on. Anyway, modern killjoys claimed that what was actually happening over Nuremberg that day was a phenomenon known as a sun dog, which is also called a false sun. And I've put a picture of one in the script for Suriti Barna that happened in Dakota not very long ago. What? Oh, so, right. So the sun is in the middle.

Right. And there are two sons either side that create this massive circle. Right. Okay. I was looking at that and I was like, it kind of just looks like you've taken. taking a picture with like a fish eye. Yes. Of three lights.

Mm-hmm. Okay. But it's in the sky. And it's massive. Got it. So apparently a sun dog is an optical illusion that creates two bright spots either side of the real sun and that's caused by ice refractions in a 20 degree angle or something. So it's like a rainbow optical illusion.

But they do. And apparently they happen a lot more than we think, but we can't see them all the time. That one is just a very bright one. Oh yeah. Wow. I just googled sun dog. Yeah. I mean, I'd be weirded out if I thought.

Yeah, if I was in 15, 60, whatever, and I saw one of those, I'd be like, uh, beam me up, Scotty, this is fucking nuts. Let me have a look at again, look again at this. Now I've seen. All right, maybe. Okay. Okay, so anyway, if we bounce forward many hundreds of years, post the invention of the printing press on the 25th of January 1878, a farmer called John Martin reported to a local newspaper that he had seen a dark, nuclear object flying at a wonderful speed in the sky above him. Wonderful speed is a direct quote. Some people say that this is the first time that the word saucer was used when describing unexplained celestial objects.

Another time that phrase was used was in 1930 when a meteor that fell over Texas in Oklahoma was described as a clay pigeon shooting target, which were referred to as flying saucers at the time. And that is what they look like. They do look like flying saucers. So then we have the most famous one, Kenneth Arnold, in 1947. He said that he saw a saucer, a disc or a pie plate shoot across the sky. He never specifically said flying saucer.

But, you know, potato pot pie plate. Yeah, like people are really picky about it. But he never actually said flying. He just said saucer. I'm like, come on, Greg. Like, like, he said pie plate and saucer. I mean, a pie plate is just a big saucer. Until the 50s, the terms flying saucer and flying disc were interchangeably used in the press.

And then, somehow, we decided to get rid of the word flying disc. Yeah, we just decided on flying saucer for no particular reason. Yeah, it is. It just have easily been flying pipe plate. I mean, exactly. I think if it's like one of those things, if you just keep saying flying saucer, flying saucer, flying saucer, flying saucer, it doesn't sound like we should say it. Maybe we should say flying pipe late.

That is more historically accurate. So anyways, these days when we say aliens, you say Paul, the film. That's a great film. It is a fucking great film. Okay, but seriously, if we said aliens, you would probably say Area 51. But why has this military base in the middle of the desert becomes synonymous with Martians? Because they're lying to us.

So just in case you care, Area 51 is called aerial 51 because of the atomic energy commission and old maps of the Nevada test site. So crucially, where they were testing all types of atomic bombs was the Nevada Desert, which I have heard is why Nevada is called the City of Lights, because people would go there to watch the explosions. Yes, yes, yes. I haven't been able to corroborate that, so if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Yeah. People definitely used to go watch it, but that makes sense. Anyway.

So they were testing all sorts of bombs in and around Area 51 and then they started to test Spy Planes, which is a spoiler. Anyway, the area around the now famous Groom Lake, which is in the Nevada test site and desert, was simply the 51st area of the base, and that is why it's called Area 51. Very boring. And the area is 120 miles northwest of Sin City, and it hides at the end of an unmarked dirt road

It has gone by many names. Paradise Ranch to attract workers. Watertown, Dreamland, Red Square, Detachment 3. The list goes on and on. Who are they trying to attract by calling it Red Square? Secret commies, probably. And then they would be like... Blow up with an atomic bomb.

Watertown in the middle of the desert or woodwoods. It's like Iceland. Iceland, Greenland. Yeah, sure. So the real beginning. of the alien association with Area 51 is down to one man whose name is Bob Lazar.

Now for some, Bob is a hoaxer. For some, he's a scientist. And for others, he's an international security risk. I don't know what I feel about Bob Lazar, man. I want to have a little look. Obviously, I've heard the name Bob Lazar many a time, but I don't think I actually have a picture in my mind of what he looks like. In your mind's eye.

Oh, well, there you go, Bob Lazare. He kind of looks a bit, like Stephen King. You know what? Yes, he does. Yes. Well done. Maybe we're on to something.

I don't know what. This mild kind of look that he has of looking like Stephen King. Maybe it's a conspiracy. But yes, Bob Lazard. Yes, hoaxer, scientist, international security risk. And also maybe the rich. I don't know. To be honest, Stephen King did so much Coke that I would not be surprised if Bob

Blasar actually wrote all of Stephen King's novels. Stephen King doesn't remember writing Kudja because he was so high. Maybe it was Bob Blasar the whole time. So Bob appeared on a local news station in 1989, backlit and under the fake name, Dennis. He told reporter George Knapp that he had been working near Area 51. And he's very particular about that fact. He's like, I wasn't in Area 51, I was in area, different number, different. name like three sections over but I definitely saw some stuff but I was near enough that I could see some flying pie dishes which is either a double bluff because you're like why would you not just if you're lying why would you not just say that you're in area 51 but maybe he knows that

it's because he's a great storyteller because he's stupid he knows you've got to make it believable Bob Lazar then tell the cameras that at the base the government were reverse engineering alien technology. Yeah, so he's like they've got them, they've got these ships, and they're trying to figure out how they work. Sure. He claimed to have seen a material that would propel your hand away from it like a magnet. But it's not a metal. So he's saying that it would push you, so he's thinking, you know, if that technology exists, which it clearly does, because I've seen it, that means you can put a force field around a tank, potentially even a whole city and that could revolutionize the economy and it's a secret and nobody knows about it. Yeah. You can make hovercrafts, which would be cool.

And he also said he had seen what he called antimatter reactors. So he says that's the thing that we haven't figured out, is that like, as soon as we crack how to make an antimatter reactor, we will be able to make all of these things that aliens can make, but we don't know how to do it. Is that what they're trying to do in the Da Vinci Code? It's probably what they're trying to do in Russia. So when asked why he would come forward and risk his job like this,

the physics and electronics graduate told Channel 8 News, that he was sick and tired of getting absolutely no recognition for all those books he wrote. No, that he thought that withholding this kind of information was a crime against science and an insult to the American people. Yeah, he sort of makes the argument that if the scientific community were given this information, like God knows what they would be able to do with it. Yeah. He's forgetting about leaking it to the Chinese.

Yeah, I mean, he's like, I'm not. a scientific whistleblower. Yes. And the people must know. Exactly that. Bob Lazar also described a bone scanner in one of his interviews and he says that the workers on Area 51 and the surrounding bases used it to gain access into the labs. And it does look like something that in the 80s would be considered science fiction. You put your hand on it and there are pins in between your fingers and then it scans your bone structure and then it lets you in, right? And he's describing this in 1989 and everyone's like, that's not fucking real. Anyway, very recently, they released it and they were like, yeah, we did have those.

What? Yes. And it's exactly what he describes, right? Bob. So Bob Lazar uses that information as vindication for everything he is claiming inside or near to Area 51 being irrefutable proof that there is another world

and the government has been hiding it for us for years. Is this that Bob Lazar is legit? or is this like if George Orwell was around, he'd be like, I'll see, I told you? Is he just because he? he's a writer, he's a story tell. And he correctly predicted this one thing and he's like, I fucking knew it. I mean, like, you know, Alex Jones was like, the water's turning the frogs gay.

It kind of is. Yeah, exactly. This is why I'm conflicted. So he comes out with this interview in 1989, pretending he's Dennis very quickly after that. He says, no, I'm not Dennis, I'm Bob Lazare, and I'm a scientist. I've been working near Area 51. I've also worked at Los Alamos, which is where I, Oppenheim are Oppenheimed and I went to Caltech and I went to MIT.

All of those institutions were like, we've never heard of this guy in our fucking life. Uh-oh. No record of him at all. Oh, Bob. Why would they admit to him? And apparently, Bob Lazar's name does appear in an old phone book for Los Alamos labs where he claimed to have worked as a scientist. I've seen a picture of it.

It is there. Robert Lazar, this is his number, this is his lab. I'm also like Bob, right. I'm not saying he's lying I don't know what's going on but if he was there and yes I can totally understand why the university's like he's got nothing to do with us

yeah but he must have been at uni in like the 50s well no I mean if he's he's on TV at 89 as like and he's still only just middle age now oh right okay so the picture I saw him is now oh okay then so he was at the it was at uni like way later how's it all one picture of your uni that you have well this is it I wonder whether

they just missed one phone book. They did a full swipe. That's how important bobbler's up. Break into his house, destroy all of his beloved pictures. Destroy every yearbook that every person ever had with him in it, but forgot one phone book. Yes, and that is my problem with that element of the story. And also the way he talks about it when he is questioned now,

he's like, I don't understand why everyone gets so caught up in those details. And I'm like, because it underpins your whole story, Pop. Yeah, it's troublesome. It's irksome. So if you want to find out more, there is a documentary on Prime, I believe, all about Bob Lazar, and it does open with the quite promising line. The Earth is not the centre of the universe, at least not anymore. Anyway, it is probably the worst documentary I have ever seen.

And I have watched a lot of them. Ouch. I could not finish it. Oh, God. Watch it if you must. No, thanks. It's not even poorly made. It's just so fucking boring.

George Knapp is in it like the original journalist. What's it called? It's called like Bob Lazar and the Big Fat Lie or something. No, I'll look at it up. It's called Bob Lazar, colon, Area 51 and Flying Sources. Oh no. It was made in 2018. You need a more dramatic.

Yeah, yeah. Like Bob Lazar and the Big Fat Lie. I think, you know, I'll watch that. Yeah, yeah, okay. So anyway, hoax or not, Lazar set things off in the 80s. No matter how unlikely his claims were or whether he even worked there in the first place, the connection between Area 51 and extraterrestrials was cemented forever in pop culture. That's crazy that like, imagine being like one man who maybe just lied,

and then you set off this entire bomb that permeates pop culture and our psyches forever. Yeah. That's wild. So in some texts, Lazzar. claimed to have seen alien autopsy photographs during his time at Groom Lake. And some theorists think that these must have been bodies from the 1947 Roswell crash. But Lazar was not the first to connect the two places. Yeah, his interview really sort of slams it into pop culture forever.

There were people who were making the connection between the two places. But they're fucking 2,000 miles. apart. It's across the country. Now some people think that the debris from the original Roswell crash was taken to Area 51. Even though transporting alien remains, almost 2,000 miles does seem a little bit unlikely. That is the theory. I just don't believe that isn't a secret military base. If there is this nationwide alien program, that that was the only one.

Maybe it's hard to keep a secret. It's better to just keep one secret in one place, multiple alien. Two dead aliens keeping them seep for 2,000 miles. What if you need gas? He said put a t-shirt and a hat on them. He's reading the newspaper. So in case you live under a rock or have never watched the E4 series... Fucking cracking series.

I never actually did watch Roswell. You do really? I've seen like, I've seen enough of it in passing that I'm aware of what it's about. I mean, it was basically Smallville. Yes, that's what I was going to say. It was the same guy, wasn't it? But yes, in case you didn't watch it, here is what the hell we are talking about when we talk about the Roswell incident.

What the military and government claim to be a weather balloon crashed over New Mexico in 1947. But if we all remember to last year when the Chinese were like, oh, that's not a spy balloon. That's just a weather balloon. Oh, it's just flown into American territory. Oh, no, you shot it down. Don't look. Oh, it's self-destrocks. It's just a weather balloon.

You've just blown this whole thing wide open, by the way. You've ruined my punchline. Oh, no. Let's quack on. So the wreckage was discovered by. rancher, Mac Brazel. He stared at the chunks of metal held together by tape and foil reflectors and was totally baffled, especially as he heard an explosion the night before.

So he went to the sheriff of Roswell, not knowing what else to do. But before he toddled off to the sheriff, Brazell did have quite a good look at the debris in one of his fields. It was unlike anything he'd ever seen before. The pieces looked metallic, but they were far lighter than any metal he had ever seen. And if they were scrunched up or bent, they would read. regain their original form automatically after the pressure was released. Again, unlike anything Mac had ever seen or even conceived of, this is 1947.

And even more interestingly than that, there were strange markings all over the pieces of metal. Brazil had no idea what they meant, and he could only describe them as hieroglyphics to the press. And the sheriff of Roswell had even less idea what he was looking at, but he had heard reports of flying objects in the sky the night before. So he did the only thing he knew how to do. And you called the Air Force. You know, had a base nearby. Let me get this right.

There's an Air Force base nearby, and they're like, there's something in the sky. Cool. And the Air Force quickly hurried in military personnel to sweep away the mysterious metals, as the locals of Roswell looked on confused. The shards of metallics were taken off to an air base, supposedly, for testing. And there are those who believe to this day that there were extraterrestrial bodies recovered from that crash site that were taken off to Area 51, nearly 2,000 miles away for autopsy.

Like the famous alien autopsy video was filmed in London. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we would have called it a post-mortem, but there you go. It's not quite as catchy, is that? It doesn't alliterate, no. Alien post-mortem.

Now, a couple of enthusiasts and authors of the book The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell, Schmidt and Randall, claim to have eyewitness testimony of extraterrestrial bodies being recovered from the site. They say, I mean, if I was going to write a book called The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell, I would also say that. So they say that they interview the pilot who like surveilled the space and was like, them, there's bodies.

And they, yes, they claim to speak to a lot of people who were in the recovery operation. I don't believe them. I don't want to be like, there's nothing going on because do I think the government like to us? Yes. But do I think that the government is? is also massively capable of like keeping a secret like that for years and years and years? I don't know. But then are they using their incompetence to smoke screen me?

So I don't know. Well, that is something they do all the time. This is what I mean. So I don't know. So I'm not here to be like, like, there's nothing going on. It's only what we can see. And I don't believe. There could be literally anything.

I don't know. But also some of the people that piggyback onto this kind of conspiracy theory stuff that we have seen are also crazy. So who do you believe? I don't know. Nobody. Believe no pity, except us. Now apparently these remains that Schmidt and Randall are talking about in their book were found in quote fairly good condition,

even though they had been there for six days in the desert and also had crashed out of the sky and also had been partially eaten by animals. That wouldn't be my definition of in fairly good condition. Now they were, according to the book, interviewees, definitely biological entities, about four foot tall with big heads, large eyes and small. four fingers and good old arms, exactly like Roger the alien. It reminded me of what you said about the satanic panic the other day,

about how kids always end up saying the same thing. Why do we all think aliens look like that if it's not true? Again, it feels like somebody somewhere started that little grey man thing and then we all sort of got so used to seeing that image again and again and again and just replicate it time and time again. And but it is interesting. Now, apparently, an army nurse who claimed to have worked on the preliminary autopsy at Roswell before Paul and his friends were sent on their merry way to Area 51

remarked on the fragility of the creature's skulls and bones. According to Schmidt and Randall, those who participated in the alien autopsies were kept silent by the military for years. Naturally. But as reports of the so-called spy balloon emerged in the 80s and 90s, These eyewitnesses, quote-unquote, started to crawl out of the woodwork. However, in 1994, all was revealed by the Pentagon. Apparently, the debris that was discovered that day was no weather balloon.

But they weren't unhuman either. Since the end of World War II, a group of geophysicists and oceanographers from Columbia University had been working on an espionage project called Project Mogul. and their job was to create hyper-lightweight high-altitude balloons capable of carrying sound sensors for thousands of miles across the Earth's atmosphere all the way over to Mother Russia to eavesdrop on any nuclear weapons tests that might be going on over there. So essentially, Project Mogul were testing spy balloons,

similar to the Chinese ones that ran air ground in the USA last year. So the story that the US military, and now telling about Roswell is, the debris discovered in 1947 was the remains of a 700-foot string of neoprene balloons, trackers and sonic equipment launched by Project Mogul. And Matt Brazel, he's never going to see neoprene before. It's never going to see an algebraic symbol before, you know,

so I can understand why it seemed completely otherworldly to him. And on top of that, the Pentagon revealed that Project Mogul was so topsy, at the time of the Roswell incident that the Air Force base near the crash site would have known absolutely nothing about it. So the Sheriff of Roswell, New Mexico would have known even less. But they would say that, wouldn't they? They would. Now anyway, just as Bob Lazar kicked this all off again in 1989, it was his 2019 appearance on the Joe Rogan experience that gave way to an all-new kind of Area 51-related phenomenon. California-based Matty Roberts was among one of the millions

who heard Joe Rogan's episode with Bob Lazar, and he had the bright idea to start a Facebook event titled Storm Area 51. They can't stop all of us. I remember seeing this. Now, the page quickly gained thousands of followers. The idea was they would meet in the early hours of September the 20th, 2019, and get inside Area 15. to see them aliens.

Within days, the page had over millions of RSVPs. Quickly, though, not wanting to be responsible for FireFest 2.0, Roberts distanced himself from the event. That's exactly what he says as well. He was like, whoa, man, like this was a joke. Like, please, just don't do that. But again, it is just very telling of the fact that there is such a level of distrust between the public and the government, which I understand.

I understand that people are like, fuck them. They can't stop all of us. Let's just go find out what the fuck is going on. And I can also understand why he was like, uh, no thanks again, actually. He's like literally a student. He's so young. Oh my God, that's hilarious.

But it didn't matter whether he was in on it or not anymore because the event went ahead without him. Although those who arrived in the tiny town of Rachel Nevada, the closest to the base, and also home to the world famous ALEEN, expecting some kind of military operation, would have been sorely disappointed. So comedian, that's what I reckon, went to Storm Area 51.

I love him. He's Australian. And he went to this. And yet again, like anything interesting, I ever hear, I heard this on Dan Triber's podcast. And he was like, the alien is the weirdest fucking place because you can order galactic fries. They're just fries. There's nothing galactic. They don't even have sauce on that. Love it.

I've watched a documentary set there. I can't remember what it is. It's a Louis through Weird Weekend. Maybe it's a Louis Through Weird Weekend. It's just, you know what? We need these people, though. We need these people to be out there doing weird shit. So I'm here for that.

But yes, like I said, these people who turned up were going to be sorely disappointed. Because what they were met with instead of a military operation were just a bunch of people. Nearly 6,000, in fact, who just really liked aliens. Yeah. It's quite sweet, really. It is very sweet. And although a few people did make it quite near the area 51 gates, the security of the military, base was not challenged.

Like, at all. Most people were so hungover they didn't get up in time. I love it. Actually, most attendees dressed up and drank limited edition alien-themed bud light. And of course, many of them were just meme lords looking for an excuse to wear a Pepe the Frog costume. The serious alien hunters looked on at this event in Scorn

and had their own party at the nearby alien research center instead. We said no humus. It's so pathetic. There was also a party in Vegas the same weekend, which Matty Roberts did attend, mainly to sign autographs for people wearing Green Lives Matter t-shirts. So no one at the Storm Area 51 event saw them aliens. But are they there?

Probably not. But there are a few other reasons why people have always been wary of Area 51. despite the bright lights of nuclear tests belonging to the Nevada nuclear testing range. We need to remember that the area itself, the testing range, is massive, and there is nothing there at all. And that's entirely on purpose.

In 1954, President Eisenhower requested a secret location where he could start a high-altitude reconnaissance program, and he found one in Area 51. And what does that mean, my friends? It means spy planes. Not spy balloons, we've moved on. And what are spyplanes? They're flying objects that look funny and go faster than what we would expect.

The first one, tested at Green Lake, was the U2 spy plane, which, like Project Mogul, was designed to spy on the commies who were getting dangerously close to becoming a nuclear power. The U2 could travel 70,000 feet in the air and travel 3,000 miles without needing to refuel whilst carrying 700 pounds worth of cameras, high-tech enough to collect intelligence from the ground below. And in 1960, a U-2 was shot down in Soviet airspace.

which forced the US to admit that they were doing naughty spying. So they needed a better plane, and along came the SR-71 Blackbird, which was even better and more sneaky than the U-2. It could fly 80,000 feet in the air and faster than 2,000 miles an hour, so it couldn't be taken out of the sky by enemy fire. So if you were to get into Area 51 now,

you'd probably find the next in the US spy plane range. But still, it is a lot of the US spy plane range. isn't hard to see why an area testing spy planes for decades in secret would get a reputation for strange goings on in the sky. Things like drones, decoy flares, stealth bombers and all-round weird classified stuff were happening above our heads. And then we have the nuclear testing. There was plenty still to do after the destruction of Japan. And this was called Operation Plumbob. Plum Bob's plum job included explosions, troop readiness exercise. sizes and some accidental detonations and flinging of debris into living targets.

And actually, after the US told everyone to stop nuclear testing and promised that they would definitely, definitely not continue doing it themselves. They of course kept doing it in secret and eventually disaster struck near Area 51. A 148 pound chunk of radioactive material was shot up into the air and that meant there was entire subsection of Area 51 that nobody could go to for over six weeks. And after that six week period was over, men in hazmat suits were sent in to scrub the land la Chernobyl. So again, anyone without top-level security who saw that from afar would probably have some questions because we always see hazmat suits in alien films.

Also, to allude to Suru's point earlier about smokescreens, it completely suited. the CIA and the Pentagon for people to think that there was something going on at Area 51 that wasn't actually happening. So it isn't impossible to believe that a misinformation campaign was in place and higher-ups had no interest in displacing any alien rumours because they were too worried about people finding out about the spyplanes and the dirty bombs.

Actually, Obama was the very first president ever to use the phrase Area 51 in a public address. He declassified it live on stage at an awards ceremony at the Kennedy Center. I think it is important to point out that, like, yes, a lot of the early sightings and the sightings that we've talked about happened in, like, the 20s, 30s, 40s where Area 51 wasn't really operational. So people are going to be like, so, aha, that is a halt.

But, like, people retroactively connect things all the time. So I don't know if that. I would love to believe it. Like, oh, my God, I'd love to believe it. Like, are there aliens? Almost certainly. Like, it's almost impossible that we are on our own. No.

It's that quote, right? Who said it? I don't know. But it's like either we're completely alone in the universe or we're not. And both of those thoughts are completely terrifying. I think it's the guy who wrote 20 or supposed what I say? No idea. But I totally, totally believe.

Absolutely. It's not even believe. It's statistically impossible. It feels like a statistical impossibility that we are the only creatures in the entire universe. That is ridiculous. And it does feel a little bit like the Catholic Church being like, the earth is the centre of the universe. It is him, it's Arthur C. Clarke.

Well, there you go. Arthur C. Clark, put it best. So, yeah, there's no way it's not. And do I think that there's intelligent enough stuff near enough to get near to us? Maybe. I want to believe. But are they at Area 51?

I'd have moved him by now if I was the government. I won't keep him there. It's unlikely. But I do think that that doesn't necessarily make the base not interesting because it is entirely possible, if not probable, that every major advancement in American espionage had happened inside that base.

Which is fascinating. It's just as interesting as aliens, in my opinion. There you go. Because they've saved and killed a load of people. That's true. So that's it, guys. That is our shorthand on Area 51. We'll come back to this again, aliens.

I think it's fascinating. Maybe we can do something on the Fermi paradox or maybe we can do something on ancient aliens building all of the monument. I don't know. We'll come back to it. Suggestions. Get Graham Hancock on the phone. There you go. Oh, what a man. I haven't thought of Ivan ages. But yeah, there you go.

And we will see you next week for something else. Great. Bye.