Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1012 | Trump Verdict: Everything You Need to Know

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

Today, we discuss the conviction of Donald Trump and what it means for the 2024 election. Last week, Trump was found guilty on all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in a New York City trial court. Is this a sign that socialism is spreading in America? Will this help or harm Trump's campaign? And is there any chance of an appeal? Plus, Russell Moore, former head of the Southern Baptist Convention's lobbying arm, has some interesting things to say about President Joe Biden. We go over his opinions and discuss what they lack. Gender Transition for Children DEBATE / Allie Stuckey vs Desmond Fambrini: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut4QlgJ2WeQ Get your tickets for Share the Arrows: https://www.sharethearrows.com/ --- Timecodes: (02:13) Summary of Trump verdict (15:14) The problems with the case (27:05) What’s next & Trump’s response (32:41) Alvin Bragg (40:12) Backlash (43:38) Biden  (47:30) Russell Moore / Evangelical response (56:32) Don't compare Trump to Jesus --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — Change the way you buy meat today at GoodRanchers.com with code ALLIE to claim your free applewood smoked bacon for LIFE, get 100% American meat delivered, and get the perfect gift for dad this Father's Day. A’del — try A'del's hand-crafted, artisan, small-batch cosmetics and use promo code ALLIE 25% off your first time purchase at AdelNaturalCosmetics.com We Heart Nutrition — nourish your body with research-backed ingredients in your vitamins at WeHeartNutrition.com and use promo code ALLIE for 20% off. Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 519 | President Donald Trump on Witch Hunts, Family + Mean Tweets https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000541152964 Ep 920 | Russell Moore, David French & the Fake Threat of Christian Nationalism | Guest: John Cooper https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-920-russell-moore-david-french-the-fake-threat/id1359249098?i=1000638231068 --- Links: THE BLAZE: Jury finds Trump guilty of 34 felony counts in New York City trial https://www.theblaze.com/news/jury-finds-trump-guilty-on-all-counts-in-new-york-criminal-trial --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Last week, Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts in a New York City trial. We are breaking down all of that today, why people are celebrating, why people are freaking out. And we are also going to look at the evangelical response, at least the response from one prominent evangelical and why it represents so much trouble within the church. This is an affront to God's definition of justice, and we will explain exactly why on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends of Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com.

Use code Alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Okay, we have so much to get through today. So I'm not going to go through any announcements or any preamble. We are just going to get right into this Trump verdict.

And I do apologize. I'm just a tad bit under the weather. And so if you can tell that I, I've got a little bit of a cold. That is why. It is because I do. All right. Last week, you guys asked me to please break down everything that happened with Trump.

I'm going to do my best. This is going to have to be a couple of episodes. We're going to get a legal expert in here to answer your questions. I'll be taking those on Instagram, but I'm going to do the best job that I possibly can to concisely, not my forte, but concisely break down exactly what happened, why, what. this is ridiculous, why the disparate reactions between the right and the left. And then I still want to have time for reacting to some pride things in the second half of this episode. So I'm going to try to get through it as quickly as I possibly can. And if there are some details or some perspectives that

I did not include in this summary, that's why I'm trying to get through everything that I can in a short amount of time. And as I said, we'll do definitely follow-up episodes on this to get into the minutia. All right. So here's the headline. This is from Blaze Media. Jury finds Trump guilty of 34 felony counts in New York City trial. Now, most of you have been following this.

I asked my Instagram followers. Have you been following this? Do you know everything that's going on? The majority of you said that, yes, you've been following this closely. You knew exactly what happened last Thursday. But there were a good portion of you who said, you know, you've been vaguely following it. You're not really sure what happened. You kind of know.

And then there was a good portion of you who said, no, you haven't been following it at all. You have no idea what is going on. So I'm going to try to catch you up if this is repetitive to some of you who have been following. I apologize, but it's good for all of us to have just a refresher on all of the details that led up to this. On Thursday, May 30th, former president Trump was found guilty on all 34 accounts of falsifying business records and the first degree in New York v.

Trump. After roughly 11 and a half hours over two days, the jury reached its verdict late Thursday afternoon. The prosecution had accused Trump of marking payments made to his then personal attorney, Michael Cohen. You remember that while Trump was president, they referred to Michael Cohen or he referred to himself as Trump's fixer. And then he turned on Donald Trump. And he was seen as some kind of brave expert by CNN and MSNBC, the very outlets who had derided him previously as being, you know, just a Trump sycophant. Now they had this strange new respect for him because he had turned on Trump as legal expenses in an attempt to cover up $130,000 settlement payment the attorney made to porn actress Stormy Daniels. Remember Stormy

Daniels? She is still a part of this story to keep quiet about an alleged affair with the former president. Cohen paid Daniels personally, but was reimbursed by Trump, who marked the expense as legal expenses. Bragg's office argued, though, that this amounted to falsifying business records for the purpose of covering up the affair to influence the election results. So that is what is being alleged here. That is what Trump is being accused of. If it sounds convoluted, it's because it is. Trump pleaded not guilty to all counts. The Trump. charges were filed by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg last year. Alvin Bragg ran. He campaigned in his district attorney race on finding a crime that Trump was guilty of, of going after Trump, of trying to make sure that Trump was put behind bars.

Of course, that is a mockery of our legal system, of the idea of justice. You don't find a man that you want to accuse. of being guilty of something, you are looking for actual criminality, not just for one man, but in general. And then you go after the crime. You're not going after a man and then finding a crime. Of course, that is a marker of all socialist revolutions of all kind of tyrannical regimes, especially in the 20th century. The defense argued, his defense, Trump's defense, that monthly $35,000 payments made to Cohen in 2000. 17 totaling $420,000 were for legal services. However, Cohen claimed a portion of the funds were a reimbursement for his payment to Daniels. Trump was not allowed to leave the courthouse while the jury was deliberating. He said this on truth social. Very unfair that I am not being allowed to campaign Crooked Joe Biden, witch hunt, third world country. Last Tuesday morning, Judge Juan Merchant delivered jury instructions. During,

which he told the panel that they did not need to agree on the exact unlawful means to render a unanimous guilty verdict against Trump. People are saying that the instructions that he gave to the jury were absolutely ridiculous, almost unprecedented and shows the bias of this particular judge. So here are part of his instructions. You need not be unanimous as to what the unlawful means were. You may consider violations of federal employees. Employees Compensation Act, that's federal election campaign law, falsification of other business records, violation of tax laws. This is via CBS News. Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony,

prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to commit another crime or aid or conceal another crime when falsifying records. In Trump's case, that other crime was a violation of New election law that makes it illegal for any two or more persons to conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means. But again, what exactly those unlawful means were in this case was up to the jury to decide. So they really didn't have to be unanimous. They just had to say, yeah, there were some unlawful means here. And four people could have thought it was one thing or the rest could have thought it was something else. Prosecutors put forth three areas that they could consider a violation of federal campaign finance laws, and then, as I already said, a violation of tax laws, falsification of other business records.

Jurors did not need to agree on what the underlying thing was. They just had to conclude, again, that he did so with the intent to defraud. And that included an intent to commit another crime. A legal expert Jonathan Turley explained in a post on a post on, X. Merchant just delivered the Kudagra instruction. He said that there is no need to agree on what occurred. They can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices. This means that they could split 444 and he will still treat them as unanimous. He says, or Paul Ingracia, he is a journalist. He says, this may be the broadest definition of a crime in history. Merchant is literally throwing the whole book at the jury. What authority does he have?

have as a state court judge from a mediocre law school to opine on something as nuances federal election law. It's so intricate and complex that the FEC has exclusive jurisdiction and ordinarily preempts other courts from all federal election law related issues. Trump had something to say about the jury instructions. He said on truth social. The jury instructions given by highly conflicted judge, Juan Merchant, were unfair, misleading inaccurate and unconstitutional. They were also very confusing, just what the judge. judge wanted because there was no crime. Trump's attorneys are expected to appeal the decision quickly. And we'll talk a little bit more about that process in a few minutes. Prior to the verdict,

Will Scharf, an attorney for Trump told CNN's Jake Tapper that they were prepared to appeal if Trump would be convicted. Trump's sentencing hearing for the New York City criminal conviction is scheduled for July 11th. That's just days before the start of the 2024 Republican National national convention. All right. So there's a lot of, there are many responses and reactions from legal experts all across the aisle on this verdict. If it was justified, if it was not justified, you can imagine what a lot of people

think about that, how this is going to affect Trump's ability to run for president. Okay, so this is from the Intelligencer, New York Magazine. This is a very left-leaning. outlet. And the legal expert that wrote this article is arguing that prosecutors contorted the law in order to convict Trump. That this really was not a legitimate case. That because Alvin Bragg, this politically minded, ideologically driven prosecutor just wanted to find a way to put Trump behind bars so he could say that he did it because he personally doesn't like Trump because he knew that this would make him popular among liberals. They had to contort the law in order

to make Trump guilty. And of course, when something like this, when a trial like this goes on in very liberal Manhattan, the jury pool is going to be extremely left wing. And what we know about a lot of left wing people is that they have an irrational disdain for Donald Trump, that they are actually unable to be impartial. Impartiality is a central tenet of justice. If you are not impartial, if you cannot just look at the facts of the case and decide whether someone is guilty based on the facts, then you cannot be a part of justice. If you are partial and that you have some kind of bias against or bias toward someone, in a case, then you are unable to actually bring about a just outcome. Of course, we see this

biblically, as we've talked about many times before, this is the difference between justice and social justice. Social justice is only concerned about the outcomes and what it perceives to be, what it perceives to be good retribution or trying to make sure that everyone gets even, whereas justice really cares about the procedure. And God says over and over again, particularly in the Old Testament and his law giving to Israel, we can see what he thinks about the principles of justice that one of the qualifications of justice is that it must be impartial. He says you cannot defer to the poor nor to the great, but in truth you judge your neighbor. Of course, the other definitions or the other descriptors of justice has to be directed. It also.

has to be truthful and the punishment has to be proportional to the crime. We see all of this. When we look at the due process that God put in place in the Old Testament, the principles of which should still be applied today. And we did not see that in this case. And even those who are secular, even in this case, in this article that I'm about to read the summary of from a left-wing perspective, even from that angle, people understand that. People understand that. People understand that this wasn't actually justice, although some irrational people are still celebrating. So here's what the article argues. This is a CNN senior legal analyst.

And she describes how the Trump conviction was a political hit job. And here are the points that she gives. Number one, the judge merchant donated money in plain violation of a role prohibiting New York judges from making political donations to a pro-Biden anti-Trump political operation. Now, the donation was small. It was $35, but it was still a violation. And would people have been fine with the judge staying on the case if he had donated a couple bucks to reelect Donald Trump, MAGA forever campaign? Absolutely not.

It wouldn't have mattered if it was 50 cents. People would have said that this person was biased that he is disqualified. DA Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign, as we said, on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county. It is a fact that I have sued Trump over a hundred times. So this is, again, this is he found the man. He's looking for the crime that is unjust, no matter who it is. Number three, the DA's charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process. The charges against Trump are obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented.

In fact, no state prosecutor in New York or Wyoming or anywhere has ever charged federal election laws as a director-predicate state crime against anyone for anything. none ever. Standing alone, falsification charges would have been mere misdemeanors under New York law, which pose two problems for the DA, Alvin Bragg, who is looking to charge Trump. First, nobody cares about a misdemeanor, and it would be laughable to bring the first ever charge against a former president for a trifling offense. Second, the statute of limitations on a misdemeanor two years likely expired. So he is looking for a felony charge. The DA inflated misdemeanors passed the statute of limitations and Electra-shocked them back to life by alleging the falsification of business records was committed with intent to commit another crime. So this goes back to the

summary at the beginning of what he had to say happened in order for this to be a legitimate case at all. Inexcusably, the DA refused to specify what those unlawful means actually were. The judge declined to force them to pony up until right before closing arguments. So much for the constitutional obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him advance of trial. In these key aspects, the charges against Trump aren't just unusual. They're bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else. Again, that is the definition of injustice. The Manhattan DA's employees reportedly have called this the zombie case because of various legal infirmities, including its bizarre,

charging mechanism, but it's better characterized as the Frankenstein case, cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more or less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator. Now, the author doesn't go so far as to say that an appeals court will overturn this conviction. New York law is broad. It's hazy enough to potentially allow these mechanisms. But he is going to have a decent shot at reversal apparel. even in New York. No man is above the law. That's what we kept hearing from the left. That's what we heard from Joe Biden. After no man is above the law, no man is above the law, we'll get into why that's so ridiculous more in a second. But the author says it's become cliche, but it's an important

point. And it's worth pausing to reflect on the importance of this core principle. But it's also meaningless, Pablam, if we unquestioningly tolerate or we celebrate deviations from ordinary process and principle to get there. Here, prosecutors got their man, for now at least, but they also contorted the law in an unprecedented manner in their quest to snare their prey. So obviously, Trump himself and Trump supporters and people who aren't Trump supporters are calling this a witch hunt. They are rightly saying that this is so hypocritical that they have unleashed a new era of lawfare that is going to come back to bite Democrats. Should Republicans take power again? Should Trump somehow still manage to win the White House?

Now, do Republicans have the gall? Do they have the courage to turn this back around and to use the weapons that have been wielded by the left on their political enemies? I don't know. I don't think they do. And would that solve things for the better in the long run? I'm not. sure. Maybe that's just the generation that we're in now, though. Maybe we don't think about what's going to happen in 10 years. Maybe you just have to use the tools that are given to you and use them in the moment. I'm not saying that that is the, that's the long-term solution. I'm not saying that that's what's going to make a better country, but maybe it is what Democrats want it to be. Maybe it really is just a fight to the death. And maybe that's,

is what it's going to take for everyone to put down their weapons and say, okay, enough with the lawfare, enough with trying to destroy the other side completely. I'm not sure. According to Fox News, Judge Juan Merchant, who presided over the case, said Trump was required to be in court every day for the trial except Wednesdays when the court was not in session. Of course, that meant that Trump couldn't really campaign. And if you've been feeling like, okay, wait, the election is happening in November. Why does it feel like the campaign hasn't really started? Why does it feel like neither side is campaigning? Well, Joe Biden is not really campaigning because he can't, because he can't talk. And so they're going to employ as much as they can the same strategy that they did in the 2020

election. They're going to hide him away as much as possible because he's not coherent. He doesn't have really a cogent thought. And so they know that the more they can parade Trump as a convicted felon. The more they can point to him as this bad guy, they don't really have to present Joe Biden as this strong with-it hero. They just have to make Trump look bad because they know that people aren't voting for Joe Biden. There are very few people who are voting for Joe Biden, but there's a large contingency of people that are voting against Donald Trump because they believe this nonsense that he is going to bring about tear. that he is the threat to democratic norms. You have one side that is celebrating injustice, that is celebrating this kind of banana

republic tyrannical effort to try to exact vengeance against their political opponent and not just vengeance, but try to inhibit him during a campaign season through lawfare. And they are accusing Donald Trump. Trump and his supporters of being the threat to democracy. Of course, everything they accuse someone of is actually just a projection. As we've said before, the definition of democracy according to the left is authoritarianism that they like. Authoritarianism according to the left is democracy that they do not like.

They're not dealing in real definitions here. It's so important whenever we hear anything coming from the left, or really anyone, but particularly the left, because they control most of the media, academia, public education, most of the federal government, the intelligence agencies, the UN, the WHO, the W.E.F. I mean, they have their clause in all of it. It's so important for us to define our terms and to really think thoughtfully about everything that we hear and read when it comes from them. The 2024 presumptive Republican nominee took advantage of the location of the trial, New York City, and highlighted that it has been in decline since Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg took office. He also made local campaign stops in New York City, very smart, visiting a Harlem bodega, delivering pizza to first responders at a midtown Manhattan Fire Department. He took photos with each firefighter, didn't talk to the press, good for him, holding rallies around New York, which drew historic crowds and traditionally blue districts.

We didn't cover this at the time, but he held a rally in the Bronx. I think it was last week or a couple weeks ago. And it looked like it was going to be horrible weather, that there's going to be flooding, that they were going to be unable to actually host this rally, that not a lot of people would come. You had AOC, quote tweeting a post about, you know, the horrible rainfall that they were going to see that afternoon when the Trump rally was supposed to be held. saying like God is good. So praising God for the terrible weather. It turns out that there were totally clear skies, that it was a beautiful evening. And Trump held this historic rally with thousands and thousands of people there in ardent support of him. Over 25,000 people just ahead of Memorial Day,

25,000 people in the Bronx. They were expecting 3,500 people to show up at this rally. 25,000 people showed up for this Trump rally in the Bronx. Just incredible. I mean, whether you like the guy or not, that is incredible. When he was not in court on Wednesdays, the former president crisscrossed the nation for rallies and campaign stops who returned to New York City for court for. For court, first thing Thursday morning, the only non-winds day Trump spent outside the courtroom was May 17th when he traveled home to Palm Beach Florida to attend and celebrate the high school graduation of his youngest son, Baron Trump. So good for him. Immediately following the verdict, Trump made this statement.

This was a disgrace. It was a rigged trial by a convicted judge who was corrupt. He said they wouldn't give us a venue change because his side did ask for a venue change. That's very normal to do. We were at 5% or 6% in this district in this area. This was a rigged disgraceful trial. The real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here. Now, a lot of you have asked, how is he going to campaign if he is actually in jail?

Now, it's not likely that he is going to go to jail, but it's not impossible. It's not impossible that he will be in jail. How will he campaign from jail? I'm not sure that he will have to campaign if he is in jail. I mean, right after this, he raised so much money just from this conviction, tens of millions of dollars, even prominent people coming out and saying, I support Donald Trump now, wasn't going to say, support Donald Trump, but they're saying, I'm going to support Donald Trump now. And if that's what it

takes to stop the weaponization of the justice system in this country against political enemies, which really is representative of tens of millions of people that support Donald Trump or either at least just don't support Joe Biden, then that's what it's going to take. And so I'm not sure that he'll even have to campaign. I saw this meme. I think Elon Musk posted it this morning that I thought was funny. It was like, I don't know what it's from, but it was a picture of what's supposed to be like a liberal and conservative looking at each other and being like, wait, and looking confused. And it was like liberals wearing a t-shirt of Trump's mugshot, conservatives wearing a t-shirt of Trump's mugshot. They're both wearing it, but for very different reasons. The right is wearing the

t-shirt with Trump's mugshot to be like, yeah, I don't, I don't care. I don't care. I don't give a Batuti about what the Democrats say, what you're going to call me. And basically, this is like, sorry, this is crass. I'm not saying that this would be a good thing to do, but I don't know how how to describe it. The right is wearing it like a middle finger to the left. Like, look, I'm not scared of you. The left is using it as a middle finger to the right and saying, yay, this is a celebration. We got our man. Really, it's a celebration of the definition of injustice, whether or not you like Trump. Because the question is not whether he ever did something wrong. The question is not whether it was good for him to be doing it with a porn star. The question is not

whether it was right and moral of him to be giving hush money through his lawyer to Stormy Daniels. That's not the question at hand here. The question is, were these charges correct? Was the jury correct? Was the jury impartial? Was the judge impartial? Was the judge impartial? was the conclusion of this trial just and true? And the answer to that is unequivocally no. That's what matters here. We used to be able to suss things like that out. And I'll talk about some historical examples of us being able to be objective as a nation,

even when we really disagreed with something or disagreed with the person or disliked the person. We're past that now, unfortunately. On Sunday morning, former President Trump spoke with Fox and Friends in an exclusive interview, and they asked him, you know, what if you go to jail? Here's not one. The judge could decide to say, hey, house arrest or even jail. It couldn't face what that could be. I'm okay with it.

I saw one of my lawyers the other day on television saying, oh, no, you don't want to do that to the press. I said, don't, you don't beg for anything. You just the way it is. Yeah, you know, that's his attitude. It's got to be, it's got to be his attitude. You don't beg for anything. It is what it is. And as I said, like that is probably going to help him in the campaign.

Now, some people are saying that if this is a, if this is appealed, he faces a lot of difficulty in the appeals court. Some people are pointing out that the court that he would face, the appeals court that he would face is made up of entirely black women. That's what people are saying. They posted a picture of the appeals court. The reason that they're saying that that makes it unlawful. likely for him to win this case is because black women tend to be mostly very liberal, very left

wing. This is just statistically true. But, however, this is not, this is not the entire court. There are 21 judges in this division. Five are black. The picture was taken in February when those five happened to be ruling together over several appeals cases this spring. It was the first time that that happened. And so people saying, okay, this is the appeals court. This is the entire appeals court. This is who Trump is going to be facing when they appeal or these liberal black women. That's not true. These are just five people who happen to be on the court. And so I don't think that that's really a good point. So if you see that picture or that point floating around, just realize that that's not exactly the whole picture. Now, it may be true that he doesn't have a

chance of winning on appeal. And it might be true that all 21 judges or the majority of the 21 judges are so biased because they are left wing. But the existence of these five judges who happen to be black women doesn't really support that point. According to Newsweek, there's no specific reason to think that these five would hear Trump's case if he decides to appeal, given that there are 21 justices on the court in total on a statistical basis. The odds would be low. Again, could be concerned for other reasons, but I would not say that reason. Now, many people are pointing out, including Donald Trump, as we mentioned, that this is an extremely hypocritical, hypocritical ruling and hypocritical statements that no one is above the law given how Alvin Bragg

treats criminals in New York City. So here's just some history of Alvin Bragg, who claims that No man is above the law. We care about justice. We care about the rule of law here in New York City. Well, of course, no, he doesn't. This is via Heritage. The Heritage Foundation, Brags said a memo to all staff in the district attorney's office when he took charge in January 2020. Outlining his new policies, the Heritage Foundation summarized the dangerous soft on crime charges or changes below. Elimination of pretrial detention slash cash bail for the following cases. The elimination of cash bail. where that has been implemented has led to destruction, has led to more rampant crime, criminals getting away with things that they should not be getting away with violent criminals being led out into, back into the community, committing more murder, more robberies,

more rapes, more assaults. Every single place that the elimination of cash bail has been implemented, that has been the result. New York City, of course, is no exception. Also, so these are the cases in which the elimination of pre-trial detention and cash bail was implemented. Robbery. Burglary. Breaking and entering. Carjacking. Possession with intent to distribute any drug.

Witness tampering. Domestic violence. Arson. Brimbery kidnapping larceny use of a child in sexual performance. Okay. Criminal possession of a firearm child endangerment, elder abuse, unlawful surveillance, and more. Prosecutors can only ask for prison where defendants are.

convicted of the following offenses. Can only ask for prison in these cases, homicide, a Class B felony where the victim suffered serious physical injury from a deadly weapon, domestic violence felonies, sex offenses such as rape and child sex abuse. Now, I'm a little confused about that. Apparently, they can ask for prison. Okay, so they can ask for prison there, but there can't be cash bail and pre-trial detention in that case, public corruption, rackets.

major economic crimes. Bragg has announced crimes that his office will not prosecute, possessing marijuana, refusing to pay for the fare for public transportation, trespassing, failing to pay fines for unlicensed operation of motor vehicle, committing any traffic infraction, resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration, engaging in prostitution, most other misdemeanor offenses. This makes it very difficult for, for police officers to catch criminals that are typically also guilty of much worse crimes than that. So he is actually not a fan of justice or a fan of enforcing the law at all. It's only when it comes to Donald Trump.

In 2020, this was an article from 2021. But in 2020, according to NBC News, charges were dropped for hundreds of alleged looters. in New York City. A review of NYPD data by the investigative team at WNBC shows that a large percentage of the cases, particularly in the Bronx, were dismissed and that many convictions were for counts like trespassing that carry no jail time. So there were hundreds of arrests. He ended up dropping the charges for people who looted. So that means they were thieves. They committed violence in many of these cases. But he decided, of course, because they were rioting in the name of BLM that it didn't matter and that they didn't need to see any jail time. According to the Daily Mail,

recent data shows that Progressive Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg downgraded staggering 60% of fallity cases to lesser charges last year amid fury over criminals being repeatedly released to roam the streets of New York. Here's just one example. Joseph Borgon, 31. He was the victim of an anti-Jewish mob assault in Manhattan. He spoke out slamming the plea deal that allowed one of his attackers off with just 18 months behind bars. He faced that his attacker faced seven years in jail after being filmed beating Borgon with crutches, calling him a dirty Jew and pepper spraying him in the 2021 attack. He only got 18 months. Bragg was also slammed recently for allowing men accused of brutally beating two NYPD cops in Times Square in January to walk free. The suspects in the

shocking attack after being freed without bail are believed. leave to have swapped immigration numbers with other people at their shelter and use the misappropriated identities to obtain vouchers and free bus tickets under fake names. This is so-called criminal justice. This is so-called racial justice. This is social justice. By saying, oh, look, I have fewer people in prison. I have fewer black people in prison. I have fewer brown people in prison. That means I've obtained social justice. Why? Because social justice is only concerned with the outcomes. It's not actually concerned with the procedure or the process, which, according to the God who created justice is not justice, and it always leads to chaos disorder and disarray.

Alvin Bragg, his campaign was in part funded by George Soros. George Soros is invested in the destruction of the United States because he does not believe in Western civilization. He doesn't believe in any kind of nationalistic pride. He doesn't believe in a strong U.S. He sees a strong U.S. as an impediment to the new global order in which just a few oligarchs at the top are in charge and they can reorder fundamentally society and service to his radical climate change agenda, which is just a form of communism. It is a form of mass poverty and mass oppression where the people at the very top get rich and have the full concentration of power. And so the more he can bring the United States into disarray by

ensuring that his people, that his left-wing prosecutors and judges and politicians are placed in charge, the more that he can tear America apart at the seams by making our borders completely irrelevant and porous, the closer he gets to that new global order. So yes, stopping Trump is actually a part of all of that. Elon Musk said, indeed, great damage was done today to the public's faith in the American legal system of a former president can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter motivated by politics rather than justice than anyone is at risk of a similar fate. And of course, we saw this in the disparate outcomes of different criminals in Washington, D.C., for example, the same thing happened there with the looters, with the rioters, with violent

criminals getting to walk free while grandmothers who peacefully walked through the Capitol on January 6th, They were charged. There are people in prison. There were people in solitary confinement who committed lesser crimes than the criminals who are able to walk free, the violent criminals who have been able to walk free in Washington, D.C. We have seen peaceful pro-life advocates who are praying outside clinics, who are standing outside abortion clinics, see more prison time than some of the most violent offenders in places like New York and DC. So Elon Musk, he has spoken against this and several different posts on on X. Ben Shapiro points out the hypocrisy of all of this, the seriousness of all of this. He says Trump is the threat to democracy. Are you serious? Biden has activated his DOJ to target Trump in three separate jurisdictions while avoiding criminal culpability for himself and his son, Hunter Biden, tried to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to take the vaccine, defy the Supreme Court by illegally waiving student loan debt. That's something that he bragged about recently.

Biden said, oh, I ignored the Supreme Court who said that forgiving student loan debt, appropriating our tax dollars to pay for the student loans that were voluntarily taken out by those students. He said that he ignored the Supreme Court, that he is going forth with that while simultaneously saying that no one is above the law. He used governmental agencies to threaten social media companies. He attacked states for attempting to enforce border law. The list continues. That's just the short version. Liz Wheeler has a really good list showing the hypocrisy of our justice system in the United States that is weaponized against Republicans, anyone who is not on the left.

She said Hillary Clinton deleted 30,000 emails. Epstein's clients walk free. Mayorkas allowed the invasion of our border. Pelosi's rich is rich from insider trading. Hunter is a crack addict with hookers. Biden sold access to Chinese commies. Stephen de Antoineau, a stage the Whitmer fed napping in January 6th. Peter Sork and Lisa Page weaponized the FBI to quote unquote get Trump. Fauci lied about funding, gain of function that created the COVID-19 virus. Cuomo, through his policies, killed 11,000 elderly people in New York. Pfizer and Moderna lied about

the safety of the MRNA jabs. Planned Parenthood sold a boarded baby parts, baby body parts. This is all true. And they're all walking free, she says, but Trump is convicted for paying his attorney. He's exactly right. Nancy Pelosi has a tweet that is recirculating. She said this last year. She said the grand jury has acted upon the facts in the law. No one is above the law and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence. Hopefully the former president will peacefully respect the system which grants him that right. No, we do not have a right to a trial to prove innocence. That is not how our justice system is supposed to work. It is on the side of the prosecution to prove that the defense is guilty. It's not about guilt

versus innocence, by the way. It's guilty versus not guilty. And that is different. Not guilty and innocent are two different things. And it is on the side of the side of of the prosecution to try to prove that the defense is guilty. You don't go into a trial to try to prove your innocence. Again, we're talking about Banana Republic, third world country type stuff, where the government comes up with a crime to charge you with and you have to try to prove that you're not guilty of the crime

when it's already been stacked against you. The jury is stacked against you. The judge is stacked against you. That is not justice. That is not a justice system by any. real definition of justice. Biden was asking a press conference about the verdict. The reporter said,

President Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What's your response to that, sir? Here's SOT 3, Biden's response. Do you think a condition will have an impact on the campaign? We'd love to hear your thoughts, sir. Should you be on the ballot, sir? Okay, so he just creepily, if you're just listening, to this. He just creepily looks at the camera and smiles. Now, I would say that that's evil

if I thought that he had any thoughts in his brain. I would say, wow, that is so wicked. That's so sinister that he's just looking at the camera and smiling creepily with this weird twinkle in his eye at that question. But I actually don't think that he heard them. Like, I don't think that he even processed what was said. I think that that's just kind of what you do when you don't know what's going on, you just smile. And I say this. I'm not saying this in a snarky way. Like, I have been around older people who have dementia and the early stages of dementia. That look that he gave is very familiar. Like it is very typical of people whose minds are just fading. You just kind of look out with a blank stare and you smile and you hope that that's the right response. And so I think it's

equally dangerous and equally scary that he is so absent mentally that he doesn't have. And you a good response to that, but I actually don't think he is intentionally being sinister there. I think he just has no idea what in the world is going on around him. And I also want to get to the evangelical response about this. That Russell Moore, of course, you guys know who he is. He has been a part of the Southern Baptist Convention for a long time. He was ahead of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Committee for a while, and he has been a staunch anti-Trump voice, and he, of course, had something to say about this. So Russell Moore tweeted right after this conviction, right after the verdict, he said, The question is what it has always been, fit or unfit.

And the answer was obvious all along. Character matters still. Obviously, referring to Donald Trump there. Now, there is no mention of the justice or injustice of not just the verdict, but the process itself. And as someone who I know knows what the Bible has to say about justice, I know that he knows that God says that he hates partiality, that God demands impartiality. when it comes to us, when it comes to law giving, I know he knows that. I know he knows scripture. I know that he knows the Bible.

Likely in many ways better than I do, just when it comes to his sheer knowledge of biblical stories. And yet, he doesn't seem to care, as indicated to me in this tweet, about justice, about what the definition of justice really is. And this is someone who has very little to say about Joe Biden, very little to say any more about policies that are not only harmful, directly harmful, but are also downright unbiblical. Now, I'm not saying that he has never talked about abortion or that he's never talked about the definition of marriage, but he's been very quiet about these things since Trump has become almost his sole focus when it comes to political. discussions. Megan Basham, who is really like the expert when it comes to this segment of evangelicals, she looked through Russell Moore's Twitter history for all of times since Russell Moore has been on Twitter just to see what he said about Biden. Because I don't mind

criticism of Donald Trump. You guys know that. Anyone who calls me some kind of Trump maga grifter or some Trump sycophist. Or some Trump sycophist. someone who won't criticize Donald Trump. You just don't know. You haven't listened. You haven't watched. I get absolutely reamed by Trump supporters sometimes. Not all of you.

But sometimes when I do criticize Donald Trump or when I disagree with him or when you guys think that I'm being unfair, which is I never want to be unfair to Donald Trump, but I have my criticisms. So you can't call me some kind of maga sycophant cultist. That just ain't me. If that makes you feel better, then sure, that's what you can tell yourself. but that's not me. I've been much more even-handed when it comes to my criticism of Biden and Trump than Russell Moore has, at least according to what we see here on Twitter. She went through every single time

Russell Moore has tweeted about Joe Biden. And here are some of the things that he said. I'm not saying I disagree with all of these things, but I'm saying the criticisms just don't exist, at least when it comes to publicly here. And yet he said a lot about Donald Trump on X. So Russell Moore said, Christians, let's pray for President-elect. Joe Biden. That was November 7th, 2020. Of course I agree with that. Let's pray for Joe Biden. He says politics aside, Vice President Biden is an exemplary father who has seen very hard times. Let's all pray for him tonight. I don't know that I would agree that Biden is an exemplary father. I mean, Ashley Biden, this is verified, by the way. Ashley Biden's diary was released where she

notes that she had inappropriate showers with her father late enough in her life. where she could remember them and realize that they were not okay. Is that the decency? Is that the decency that you're talking about? Is that the example of being an exemplary father that Biden has shown us, has offered to us? Some of you have asked me, like, why isn't that a bigger story? When I posted about that on Instagram, I had some messages being like, wait, I haven't even heard of this. Is that real?

I thought that was just a conspiracy theory. No, even Snopes. said that that's real. That of course is real. It's not a big story because the media doesn't want it to be a big story. Because when we talk about decency, we just have to talk about all of Trump's impropriety, which is real, but we can't talk about Biden's or Obama's. Like I have heard conservative Christian evangelicals over the past few years say, yeah, you know, I don't agree with everything that Biden or Obama did, but they're great men. They're great men. And Trump is just not. Are you freaking kidding me? How can you support the unfettered slaughter of unborn children to be a great man. Really? I mean, it's just so delusional.

Russell Moore has said, really sorry to hear about the death of Bill Biden. My prayers go to Vice President Biden and his family. Again, nothing wrong with saying that. What Joe Biden and Paul Ryan can teach us about fatherhood. Again, that's weird. Say what you will about Joe Biden. He would not be this boring at a hashtag Dem debate. That was 2015 and 2021. He wrote an article for the Gospel Coalition, how we can pray for Joe Biden. He again expresses sympathy for Joe Biden in 2015. In 2015, he also said he disagrees with Biden on many things, but he's a kind man who loves his family and his country. He goes on and on about saying positive things about Joe Biden. Once again, I am not saying that it is wrong to pray for Joe Biden or express sympathy for Joe Biden.

As Christians, we have to be praying for all of our leaders, right, or life. that is something that we are called to do. The point is the lopsidedness. The point is that it's disproportional. The point is that he is not impartial. The point is that he has either neutral or positive things to say about Joe Biden and almost exclusively negative things, if not entirely exclusively negative things about Donald Trump.

That's the problem here. Is that if you are not impartial, then you are not representing biblical Christianity. You're not representing biblical justice. And that's a problem. Now, I'm not saying that you have to have the same number of criticisms about both sides, because I'm not a moral relativist. Democrats are worse than Republicans. The left is worse than the right. Now, neither of them are fully godly. Neither of them are perfectly in line with biblical Christianity. I wish that the right were more conservative. I wish that the right, that Republicans were more conservative. I wish they were more in line with biblical principles. Absolutely. I wish they were stronger. I wish there were more

courageous about those things, 1,000 percent. But when you're talking about which side prefers baby murder more, which side is trying to chop up the bodies of children either through abortion or through gender quote unquote transition, when you're talking about which side supports wholeheartedly and ardently, more passionately, degeneracy, sexual degeneracy, the absolute obliteration of the family and the obliteration of national sovereignty, then of course it's Democrats. And it's not even close. Like we don't have to pretend that both sides are equally bad or that both sides are equally

good. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what it means to be impartial. Actually, we should look at every issue and we should care about every issue and try to approach every issue from a biblical perspective. Of course, that's what we should do. I'm not saying that we should have even criticism of both sides, but we should be truthful, right? We should look at each person and look at each issue as they come and try to see all of it from a biblical perspective as best as we can.

And that means, yes, we are going to have criticisms of all politicians and all sides. Yes, that's true. But that's not true of Russell Moore. He clearly leans left. He does. He clearly leans left. and he thinks that the right and Donald Trump is more of a threat than the absolute, degenerate baby murdering side of the aisle.

That's just where he stands on it. Okay? So we're going to be seeing a lot of that, by the way, in the coming months when it comes to evangelicals. You're going to see a lot of evangelicals as they have for the past several years. Say, oh, yeah, you know, abortion is kind of bad. Yeah, gender ideology, wreaking havoc on our kids. kids, that's kind of bad. Yeah, the redefinition of marriage, sure, I guess that's kind of bad, but they'll see that as a lost battle. But Trump, Trump is the real threat. He's the real threat

to democracy. He's the real threat to morality. He's the real threat to the church. He's the real threat to the church. It's absolutely delusional. It is. You don't have to like the guy. I don't care. I really don't care if you like him. I don't care if you agree with him. I don't care if you support him. I don't even care if you vote for him. I really don't. But to see him as some of unique threat in all these different areas. It's just wrong. It's just wrong. It's not factually true. It's not morally true. Now, on the other side of it, we've got people who are comparing Donald Trump's conviction to Jesus Christ, y'all. Okay, so as always, I've got some criticism for people on the right who I think right now we're being kind of equally delusional,

saying that Donald Trump is like Jesus and that he's, that he's, He was also, Jesus was also convicted of a crime that he was not guilty of. Now, let me, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Trump is guilty of something here, at least morally. Like we are talking about the fact that he paid a prostitute hush money. And we don't know if it was in service to winning the election, but we know that that was something that he did. So we know that there is immorrisome.

morality here, right? Like we know that there is imperfection. We know that there are sins here. Doesn't mean that he should have been convicted. Does it mean that he should go to jail, not under these laws and charges? But Jesus was perfect. Okay? He literally did not commit any crimes. He did not commit any sin. He went to the cross to bear our sins. There is no comparison here. Why? Why do we do this? Why can't we just say that it was wrong for him to be convicted in this way. Why can't we just say that? Why do we have to compare him to Jesus? Here's the mean that's going around. If you're not sure that you can vote for a convicted criminal, remember you worship one. Blah! Hate that. I hate it so much. And it's a picture

of Donald Trump's mugshot and Jesus Christ hanging on the cross. I think that is so blasphemous. And so sacrilegious, you don't have to compare Trump to Jesus Christ to say that. this was wrong. It's just not, it's just not necessary, nor is it true. Also, Jesus wasn't a convicted felon. Pilot literally said, he's not guilty. I'm washing my hands of this. He just, he just gave the mob what it, what, what, what it wanted. Now, like, you can compare, you can compare the injustice of like mob justice and the partiality that played out. in Jesus's story to the kind of mob mentality and mob so-called justice that the left likes. We've seen that in a lot of different ways.

You can make that comparison, absolutely, without saying that Trump is similar to Jesus in any way. Oh, my goodness. It's just not necessary to make that comparison. Let's not be loony tunes. Like, is it possible that we just allow the left to be the crazy ones? ones? I don't know. Can we just allow them to embarrass themselves? Can we just allow them to be the unhinged ones? We do not also have to be unhinged. We do not. There is like you can just like sit back. That's one of that it that is one tactic. If you're in a debate with someone, when they start

backtracking and when they start saying things that are just insane, when they start trying to like make weird connections that don't go together, you don't interrupt. You don't stop them. You never stop. opponent when they're making a mistake. You just sit back and you let it happen. That is, by the way, what Biden is trying to do with Trump during this campaign. So this is where we are. It's not a good place as a country. It has helped Trump, as I said, in his campaign. People have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars amounting to tens of millions of dollars in donations. Unfortunately, we've got, for example, we've got many entities that are supposed to be neutral celebrating this. Encyclopedia Britannica said, yes, we've already updated his bio.

This post on acts went viral. Of course, it's tongue in cheek saying, yay, he's a convicted felon. I mean, this is very 1984. The arbiters of our, the purveyors of our information, in some ways the arbiters of truth are incredibly biased against a former president. Tucker Carlson said this. import the third world become the third world. That's what we just saw. This won't stop Trump. He'll win the election and he's if he's not killed first. But it does mark the end of the fairest justice system in the world. Anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family. Wow. Anyone who

defend this verdict is a danger to you and your family. I think that he's got a point there, actually. I really do because they support finding a man or getting the man and finding the man and a crime that he is guilty of, no matter how they have to contort the law. And if they'll do that to President Trump, they'll do that for you too. That is part of what happened in 1984. That's even part of Brave New World. In any kind of dystopian novel, you see this kind of snitching. Even children on their parents, you see in 1984. If they weren't respecting the laws of Big Brother, respecting the order of big brother, even if they committed a thought crime, then their children, their family members, their friends would tell on them. They got points for doing that. And it will be like this today.

The more applauded you are for trying to find crimes that someone is guilty of that the regime says are crimes, the more likely this will be. And so fair people, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, we'll see that this is wrong, see that this is leading to a bad place. What will happen if Trump takes office, by the way, and decides he wants to exact vengeance? I don't really want that because there are bigger fish to fry. Like, there are more things that need to be done. I don't know if I'll say bigger fish to fry, but there are other things that need to be done that I would love a Republican president to focus on. And yet, this is now the main thing, the weaponization of the justice system against tens of millions of people. That's a really really.

big thing that Trump is going to have to tackle. Democrats are not going to like the result. They are trying to create a fascist regime, which is really ugly, something that I certainly don't want. And I don't know if they realize that that's what they're creating or they're trying to create, but it's going to be really ugly. It's really ugly. And Democrats have no one but themselves to blame for that. All right. So I had a whole other subject that I wanted to talk about today. I was like, I'm going to do this so concisely. I'm going to do this so quickly. But guys, there's just so much. There's so much. And we hadn't really talked about it. And we still didn't get into everything that we could have when it comes to this. And so I hope even if you've been

following this for a long time that it offered some clarity for you, we'll get into the Miss Rachel stuff tomorrow. That's something I wanted to talk about and some of the other pride things. we'll talk about all of that tomorrow and my response to a few things there. But I just had to make sure that we covered all of this. And again, we'll get back into it and answer some more questions that you've got about it. But share this with any friends that are confused about what's going on. I hope that it's helpful to them. Also, just a couple of things.

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All right, that's all we've got time for today. We will see you back here tomorrow.