Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1016 | Time to Ditch Ergobaby

Starting point is 00:00:00 Ergo Baby, a popular baby carrier company has come out in favor of quote-unquote trans children. Also, the lead singer for Jars of Clay is celebrating pride. But we've got some great examples of Christian courage to a recent high school graduate sharing the gospel during his commencement speech. We've got all of this and much, much more on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use Code Alley. Check out that's good ranchers.com code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to relatable.

Starting point is 00:00:43 Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend for all of you who were at Young Women's Leadership Summit this weekend in San Antonio. It was wonderful to see you. I got to meet so many of you. And I'm so glad that y'all had such a wonderful time there. I did too. And it was really just a privilege and an honor to speak with you guys and to meet y'all. So thank you so much.

Starting point is 00:01:07 for all of you who came up to me afterwards and we had great conversations. All right. We're not going to do any introduction today. We're just going to get straight into everything that we have to talk about. And we're actually going to talk about some good things that are happening. I guess there's some good and some bad in the stories that we are addressing first, but there are stories of courage. And they are stories of God using his willing and obedient people to make a difference.

Starting point is 00:01:36 And yes, these obedient Christians have gotten pushback and have faced consequences because of these things, but they serve as an example to us. And the first example of this Christian courage is a young man named Micah Price. He was, according to him, denied his high school diploma for praising Jesus in his high school graduation speech. This is just an incredible story. So he is a recent graduate from Campbell County High School. and he says his school withheld his diploma for five days after he went off script during the closing speech of graduation ceremonies. Price was chosen by the school's principal to deliver the speech. He submitted eight different drafts of his speech before graduation day.

Starting point is 00:02:24 And he was told after he submitted these drafts to take out portions that focused heavily on religion. And so they had actually approved. part of the speech that mentioned Jesus Christ, but no further religious references were supposed to be made in this speech. And so when he actually delivered his speech, he did say the part that was approved, but he added on to that a little bit. Here's Sot one. Class before another word is to leave my mouth. I must get the honor, the praise, and the glory is my Lord's Savior Jesus Christ. Who in this very word tells us he is the light, he is the way, truth and life. Class, any one of the audience in that I'm here to tell you that if you don't have

Starting point is 00:03:11 any of those things in your life, you can't see to find the answer, that my Lord's Savior is your answer. He would give you the truth, give you the way, and the life. That is awesome. I mean, just the simple gospel right there. I don't know if you guys can feel that, but I just can feel the Holy Spirit speaking through him. And he said it so concisely and so beautifully. And you just never know how God is going to use the seeds that were planted through those simple, words. You just never know how that is going to take root in the hearts of the audience there. I promise you that the people there who heard that, that God providentially placed them there in order to listen to that message. He has always, he says, had a desire to honor God. One of

Starting point is 00:03:59 his goals since fifth grade was to deliver a speech on his graduation day that honored God, which is pretty incredible that God put that dream, that desire in his heart. In eighth grade, he became a devout Christian, a Baptist, in particular. Price said that he went to get the envelope with his diploma after the ceremony, after he finished his speech, and the principal tapped him on the shoulder and told him he would have to talk to the board about this. And so he says, I knew my diploma was going to be held. Before you do anything they tell us, if you go up there and

Starting point is 00:04:34 do a cartwheel or something stupid, that will get your diploma held. So I guess they put his speech in that same category. So he knew that the consequences would possibly be if he went off script that he would get his diploma held. But he said, I simply cannot hold back what Christ has done in my life. He's everything to me. He says, he takes ownership of this, okay? So he's not playing the victim. He says, I went against the rules. It's my fault. I should be in trouble. I never wanted to bring hate to them or to tear down the school. It's a weird feeling being the talk of the town, he says on TikTok, but he's not apologizing. He says, I'm not here to push a political agenda. I'm here to push the kingdom of Christ. He said he knows he went against the rules of conduct, the Campbell

Starting point is 00:05:23 County Code, and yet he was willing to pay the price for that. He did end up receiving his diploma five days later, but he paid the price for going against the rules. But of course, it was worth it to him. And so he decided to count the cost. In this case, it was a pretty small cost. And he decided that I'm willing to pay that. And most people would not even pay that price to share the gospel. They would say, no, the rules are the rules. I don't want to get in trouble. And they actually think that following these kind of arbitrary rules set by the school is more important than honoring Christ. That Christ is somehow more honored by following these rules than he would be by someone sharing the gospel. And that, of course, is wrong. And most people, Christians even,

Starting point is 00:06:17 wouldn't have done this, even if it hadn't been against the rules, because most people don't even want to pay the price of awkwardness. Like, that's true for all of us, right? We've counted the cost of sharing the gospel, and we decided that the only cost to be paid in one particular moment was that we might feel uncomfortable or that it might be awkward or someone might roll their eyes or someone might put their headphones in or someone might get a little bit mad at us. And we've decided that that cost is too high. I think all of us have been there. And he decided it's worth the awkwardness. It's worth the backlash. It's maybe worth the loss of friendships and it's worth my diploma getting held.

Starting point is 00:06:55 and this might seem like a small thing, but if we're honest, I think we've all been in some kind of position where we have decided not even to pay a little price to share the gospel. And so I just want to commend him for his faith and praise God that through the power of the Holy Spirit, he was given the courage to say these words. And I think that we can look to the example of this young man and say, okay, with whatever platform God has given me, whether it's at a podium, behind a microphone, or whether it's at home, disciplining your children, whether it's in the workplace, whatever it is, big influence or small, a large audience or just an audience of one person.

Starting point is 00:07:40 How is God calling me? How has he prepared me in this moment to share the truth of Christ? And just on that note, I have in the past because I have felt so much pressure to share the whole gospel and every evangelistic conversation and to make sure I have all the answers to the question, to make sure I say everything right, and that I lay out the Romans Road perfectly, I have been too scared to say what is true. But I want to relieve the pressure a little bit. There's this great book, and it's called Tactics by Greg Kokel. And he talks about how the point of every conversation that we have with someone, conversations with someone that we may disagree with, that we may not know, whose mind we're trying to change, we're trying to demonstrate the truth

Starting point is 00:08:25 to them in some way, is not necessarily to win that conversation, that discussion at that moment. Our job is to plant a seed, which means that we might only, in that one interaction, share a little bit of truth or ask a question that causes them to think about something that they've never thought about before. Whether we're talking about the gospel, whether we're talking about abortion, whether we're talking about gender, all of these big existential so-called culture war issues that really come down to biblical issues. It's not necessarily to convince them fully of your true position in that conversation. It's to plan a seed. Because God is only using you in that person's life.

Starting point is 00:09:11 Like if God has decided that he is going to turn a heart of stone to a heart of flesh, he is going to do it. He is sovereign over salvation. He is the one who waters and gives growth. And so he has already mapped out the constellation of that person's testimony. He already has lined up all of the Christians that that person is going to interact with over the next however many months or years until that person repents and turns to Christ. You are just one of those people. So we just have to be obedient in the moment with the truth that we can share. and let us not say, well, I'm just not going to say anything because I can't share the full gospel.

Starting point is 00:09:52 Maybe you're just asking a question. Maybe you're just sharing a little bit of truth. Maybe you're laying the groundwork. Maybe you're teeing it up for the next person who God is going to give the opportunity to share the full gospel with them. Or maybe the next person is just going to push the ball even further down the field. God has already mapped all of this out. We are just one person, one domino. in someone's testimony. So just remember that, that one, God is in charge of it. So we don't have

Starting point is 00:10:23 to say things perfectly or eloquently, even though it's really good to prepare and to know the word and to have a reasonable answer for the faith that we have. But also, you're just one person in someone's entire testimony. This young man is just one person and someone in the audience, their entire testimony. It might be 50 years that someone looks back and says, I don't know why I remember this, but I just remember what our commencement speaker. I don't even remember what his name was. What our commencement speaker sat at graduation and that always stuck with me and I didn't get it until now.

Starting point is 00:10:56 You hear those testimonies all the time. I've interviewed so many people who are former atheist, former porn stars, former so-called transgender people, people who are totally lost in a variety of ways. And when they're sharing their testimonies of how they came to faith, there's always some kind of moment that they look back on. And they didn't realize at the time that it was significant. They didn't know that it was going to leave an indelible mark on their mind. And yet it did. And now, in retrospect, they look back and they say, yeah, God used that moment when that person said that one thing that I didn't get at the time to then start changing my heart. So just remember that that

Starting point is 00:11:35 is possible. That's possible for all of us. And good job to this young man. And this is a case of God's we're actually making headlines. It doesn't always. But this kind of thing is common in the life of the believer. It's happening on a day-to-day basis. Even when it seems like everything is going to hell in a hand basket, God is using the common courage of Christians on a daily basis to advance his kingdom. Because what do we always say? God's eternal plan of redemption is always going off without a hitch. All right. We've got another example. It's a much shorter example, but I just love the example that this NBA coach sets for just like how to pivot away from divisive kind of conversations and ask questions that make people think a little bit harder.

Starting point is 00:12:23 But all right, Joe Missoula is the Boston Celtics head coach. That's an NBA team. If you are not familiar, he was asked during a press conference on Saturday, if he had any thoughts about what it meant to him. him to go up against another black head coach. This is the kind of like race baiting stuff that the press loves. Of course, he was referencing the Mavs coach, Jason Kidd. And here is Missoula's response, Sot too.

Starting point is 00:13:10 Hey, Joe, Vince Goodwill or Yahoo Sports. For the first time since 1975, this is the NBA finals where you have two black head coaches. Given the plight sometimes of black head coaches in the NBA, do you think this is a significant moment? Do you take pride in this? How do you view this or do you not see it at all? I wonder how many of those are being Christian coaches? David Aldridge? Like he didn't follow up. I love that. He didn't sit there. He didn't try to clarify. He didn't explain himself. He just asked a question. And then there was silence. And I think the

Starting point is 00:13:51 reporter didn't even know what to say. I think it seems like the point that he's making is like, why are we calling out racial identity? It's like, why are we? we calling out the color of people's skin? Why does that matter? If that matters, shouldn't something much more important matter, what someone holds in their heart, the faith that they have, where they actually get their identity and solace? And so I think it seems to me what he's trying to say is, that doesn't really matter. I'm not going to take the bait. It's also interesting to note just the language that he used. He said, like, do you think this is a significant moment? You're going against this black Mavs head coach. Do you take pride in this given the plight, given the plight of black

Starting point is 00:14:39 coaches in the NBA? The plight, that implies that there has been some kind of struggle or oppression there. And it's important to note that black coaches in the NBA, at least today, they're doing pretty well for themselves in terms of contracts last season. Ten of the top 20 coaches have earned the most money to have earned the most money in the NBA were black. Maybe it wasn't always that way, but right now it is. There's not really a plight to speak of. Of course, also the NBA itself is disproportionately black Americans that get paid a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:15:20 And so I just appreciate that he didn't take the big. didn't take debate on that. Vincent Goodwill, he's the reporter who asked the question. He wrote in his column Saturday night that Missoula's unwillingness to discuss race was a complicated issue. So this is what he wrote in Yahoo Sports. He said, Missoula, whose mixed race preferred to sidestep my question, giving deference to his religion more than his racial identity. And I know I said racial identity earlier, but I do, I shouldn't have said that in that context because I don't agree with that language. It's not your identity. It is not core to who you are. It might have influenced in some ways how you experience the world. I'm not denying that, but it is not your identity. I don't think

Starting point is 00:16:14 it's arbitrary. I think God gave us the color of our skin, the melanin count that we have purposely and with intention and with love, but it's not your identity. It's interesting how he says religion, racial identity, not religious identity and race, but racial identity, he says, versus religion. He clearly thinks that racial identity is more important. And of course, this is true of a lot of racial activists in the United States. They really do worship skin color and racial identity, so called. He says his relationship with his relationship with his own racial identity is personal, but his answer certainly opens the door for more questions. Well, did you ask them? I didn't hear you. Um, especially because it's Boston and the NBA's labor,

Starting point is 00:16:58 because it's Boston and the NBA's labor force is overwhelmingly black. Okay. What? Okay. Um, ignoring race in these matters isn't progress because it can infer that seeing someone is black means something negative. Color blindness is impossible. And seeing someone's blackness or the black experience as a positive could be the ultimate sign of progress. This is the whole Ibrahimaxi-D anti-racist thing, that we have to see someone's non-whiteness actually as a positive asset that should be added to the resume rather than a kind of uninteresting, unimportant part about you.

Starting point is 00:17:41 And, you know, Coleman Hughes has been talking about and writing about color blindness for a long time and the importance of colorblindness. And he has clarified many times that he doesn't actually mean that we don't see skin color or that we cannot appreciate different cultures. And we can't appreciate the different ethnicities or different nationalities or even just different melanin counts. But when it comes to weighing someone's character, when it comes to weighing someone's competence, when it comes to hiring, when it comes to admissions, that we don't need to add extra value to someone's skin color, whether they're white, black, Asian, Hispanic, in that sense, we really should be colorblind. And there is a reason why Lady Justice has a blindfold. She's not supposed to see skin color. And of course, as we talked about last week, as we've talked about many times, impartiality is a necessary component of justice.

Starting point is 00:18:37 Showing partiality to someone because of their skin color, their socioeconomic background, their perceived depression status is unjust. Even if you are doing so, allegedly, lead to make up for past wrongs. Current injustice does not make up for or serve as reparations for past injustice. He goes on to say this reporter who's very mad about this. Missoula has the right to embrace his religion, lean on it to help in his professional and personal walk. He has the right to look in the mirror and not see a black man first, but a Christian man

Starting point is 00:19:12 with strong beliefs. But if he's pulled over in Boston, the police will see his last name and his license. but before they find out anything else about him, they'll see him as a black man first. Okay, that's unhinged. That's deranged. I'm sorry, it is because it's not grounded in reality. It's not grounded in statistics. It's not grounded in the real information that we have about police interactions with black people.

Starting point is 00:19:38 Are there, I'm sure that there are cops who have a racial bias. Yes, I'm sure there are people in all kinds of sectors that have a racial bias. I'm not denying that that exists. I'm not denying that that can manifest itself in negative ways. As we've also talked about, there is a lot of blatant and outright anti-white bias that manifests itself in things like affirmative action. Like, yeah, it happens. I'm not saying that it doesn't. But to say that you know for sure that police officers are going to see him as a black man first and then treat him as such, that's ridiculous. And what does that have to do, by the way? What does that have to do with basketball? Mazzula, he took over as the same.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Celtics head coach for the 2022, 2022, 2023 season. He spoke with Anscape.com. I have no idea what that is, but he spoke with him a year ago and he said this. I know that for my wife and I and my family, we're supposed to be here. For us, our faith is really important. And we felt like we followed God's plan to a T as to where he wanted us to be. And he's talked about his faith before and other contacts. And I've just appreciated that about him, not as someone who knows, you know, very much about the NBA or about him at all. I always appreciate when people use their public platform to share their faith and to push back against popular narratives.

Starting point is 00:21:01 So go you, go you coach Missoula. And by the way, like this is just a PR tip, okay? And I think I've said this. I think I've said this before. I think I said it recently. But here it is again. If you are ever in this situation and maybe it applies. to situations beyond just interviews. You never have to answer the interviewer's question.

Starting point is 00:21:22 You never do. You never do, whether it's an interview on a podcast, on a news show, whether you're talking to a reporter, you never have to answer their question. You can deflect, you can pivot, you can ask a question back, you can do lots of things. But there's no rule. It's only because like we feel awkward and we feel like it's polite to answer someone's question. But if you you don't know the answer to something or you don't want to answer their question, you pivot. You pivot and you ask something else. You make them think about their question and you can just push back on them that way. And I like how he did this and I like how he didn't feel like he had to give any other explanation at all.

Starting point is 00:22:01 So good for him. All right. Before we get into some pride update, if you will, of what is going on in that crazy, crazy world. I want to tell you just a few things. One, our Share the Arrow's event, which I am so excited about, is September 28th. It's going to be amazing. We've got Rosaria Butterfield. We've got Elisa Childers. We've got Abby Halberstadt of Emmys for Mama. And then we've got Francesca Battistelli, the Grammy Award winning artist. She's going to be leading worship. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be giving a speech and I'm going to

Starting point is 00:22:40 be meeting so many of y'all. Y'all bring all of the moms. And you, you know, bring all of the moms and your kids school. Bring your Bible study, bring your Sunday school class, bring your family members, fly them in, drive there if you can. Of course, if you are local to Dallas, Texas, then that is even more convenient for you. Go to share the arrows.com. You'll see all the options for buying tickets. There are also packages included where there's a little bit more that you can purchase an experience there. Sharetheaeros.com. So many of you, when I've spoken to different places over the past few weeks, have told me, oh my gosh, I'm coming with my sister or I'm coming by myself. It's all awesome. And it is a time for us as Christian women to just make sure that we're on the same page.

Starting point is 00:23:26 We've got an election coming up. Things are getting increasingly insane. We're seeing so much propaganda that's only going to ramp up. The fear mongering is going to be through the roof. The propaganda when it comes to things like abortion and gender and all of that is going to be off the charts. All of your Christian women friends are going to be using what I call toxic empathy to manipulate you into thinking that if you love the quote unquote marginalized, if you really love people, if you're really compassionate, if you're really empathetic, then there's no way that you could vote for Donald Trump, that you have to be progressive in order to be a good person and even a good Christian. And you are going to want to be tearing your hair out, trying to

Starting point is 00:24:11 fight all of these battles with people in your life to make sure that they know the truth. And look, we got to come together, y'all. We have to come together to remind ourselves, we're not alone. We've got all of these like-minded women across the country that are sharing the arrows with us. We're on the same page. No, you're not crazy. No, you're not alone. You are right. And you are empowered by the Holy Spirit to be an ambassador for truth in every sphere that you're in. You are going to leave this day feeling so refreshed and so encouraged that no matter what happens with the election that you remember that God is working, that God has got his people. So we as Christian women are coming together for that purpose to share the arrows with each other. Come by yourself. Come with your friends.

Starting point is 00:24:58 Come with your family. It's going to be amazing. Go to share the arrows.com. Check it out. It's going to be awesome. A couple other announcements. We've got Related Bro Day coming up, aka Father's Day. This weekend. And we've got some Father's Day merch. We partnered with Range Leather. They're one of our beloved sponsors on Relatable. And we made these awesome hats. And we talk a lot about swimming upstream, going against the mainstream, being a human salmon.

Starting point is 00:25:28 And so we've got the little leather patch with salmon on the front. I love these hats. These kind of trucker hats. They're so cool made by Range Leather. And then also we've got these other hats that say do the next right thing. but the acronym, the do the next right thing. Acronym on the front of the hat. So those are for our related bros.

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Starting point is 00:26:07 Okay. Before we get into this Pride stuff, We've got the guy from Jars of Clay. Jars of Clay. That Christian band, I'm not going to start singing their music. But you remember Jars of Clay? They are now out celebrating Bride. Plus, we've got our favorite baby carrier company saying,

Starting point is 00:26:28 yay, trans kids. It's actually insane. So we're going to look at that and respond to all of that. And just a second. Okay, Jars of Clay lead singer, Dan Hasseltine. I think that's how you pronounce his last name. Post support. for Pride Month. Okay, so I had to play this song for my team during the, during the ad break before

Starting point is 00:27:00 we came back because they didn't know. They didn't know the song Flood. I really want to sing it, but I don't want to traumatize you. So go and look on YouTube flood. If you were a 90s kid and you listen to Christian music and the 90s like I did, then you will know this song. I guess, I don't know the Word of God did not flood into his heart quite enough, though, because now he is celebrating Pride. They are a Grammy Award winning and Dove Award winning Christian band. And so the fact that he is coming out now, well, I don't know if he's actually coming out, but he's coming out in support of Pride Month is pretty shocking and sad.

Starting point is 00:27:44 So we've got the Instagram post that he posted and he's wearing a shirt that says a pastor with pride and he's with a child and then a woman and then another man who has Nashville pride on his shirt and he wrote Franklin Pride Festival was a little soggy today glad to stop by for a brief I'm going to show my support um one of the singer's followers took issue with the post saying yeah Jesus dined with sinners but this is not what you know biblical love looks like there were other comments saying the same thing. So this St. Francis' mission that is mentioned in his post, it meets in an Irish pub in downtown Franklin and their mantra is that we're centered around the reconciling table of Jesus. And since Jesus excludes no one, neither do we. Well, it was Jesus who

Starting point is 00:28:39 said that the gate is narrow that leads to life, right? And the gate is wide that leads to death. And so I'm just not sure if that's true. Now, you might be right that he excluded no one in the call. He was not afraid to dine with sinners. He was not afraid to touch the bleeding woman. He was not afraid to kneel down and lock eyes with the woman caught in adultery. He was not afraid to be seen talking to the Samaritan woman at the well and telling her everything about her life. He was not afraid to mingle with people that the Jewish leaders at the time saw as unclean.

Starting point is 00:29:15 but he called each of these people to faith and repentance. Why? Because he loved them. Over the years, this jars of clay singer has been outspoken regarding his support for the LGBTQ community and same-sex so-called marriage. In 2014, he tweeted not many to stir things up, but is there a more non-speculative or non-slipery slope reason why gays shouldn't marry? I don't hear one. Well, the slope is slipped, sir. The slope is slipped.

Starting point is 00:29:40 We have slipped and we are going down into the, Abyss, and this is only 10 years after your tweet. He says, tweet, scripture verses, to settle my questions of gay marriage isn't helpful. Simple answers to complex questions equals me. Apparently, the truth of God's words is just too simple. It's just too simple. It's not nuanced enough. It's not gray enough.

Starting point is 00:30:03 The God who created the universe, who created our bodies, who established marriage in the beginning, he doesn't have a good enough answer. This is a classic case of someone believing he can outnice God and out love. God and out compassion, God. He also has said in a statement, so many gay couples display more loving characteristics and healthy relationship practices, the most traditional married couples. Okay, even if that were true, which I'm not sure that's true, but even if that were true, that doesn't change what God's word says about our bodies and what marriage actually is our friend, John Cooper, whom we've had on before. Of course, he is, um, the,

Starting point is 00:30:45 the lead singer of skillet. He says that this guy has exchanged truth for lies, good for evil, and flourishing for anti-flourishing. He's actually, he actually wrote about this in his book, Wimpy Week and Woke, how truth can save America from utopian destruction. This is where he is talking about this jars of Clay Singer. He said, when Hasselteen tweeted in opposition to legislators attempting to ban books in public schools with quote unquote LGBTQ storylines, which are often pornographic, there's nothing that could sum up our Christian deconstruction moment better than scriptural truth equals me. And so he is responding to that tweet that the singer put out because he was saying this Dan Hasselty person was saying, oh, what's wrong with these LGBTQ themed books for kids? And as we've talked about many of these, if not all of these, are very sexual books. They're not innocent books. They are sexual books. Some of them with pedophilic themes in them. And so that was John Cooper calling him out. Jars of Clay hasn't released an album since 2013,

Starting point is 00:31:52 but Hasselty has stayed busy, composing music for Christian films and television series, some of which include The Shift, the Chosen series, and the much-talked about upcoming Dallas-Jenkins film, the best Christmas pageant ever. Now, I'm not condemning Dallas-Jenkins for that. I'm not sure that that is something that he even knew.

Starting point is 00:32:12 I'm not saying that Dallas-Jenkins. is supporting or endorsing the position of Dan Hasselty. But it's interesting that Dan has continued to try to work in the Christian industry while opposing very standard fundamental biblical beliefs about sexuality and about human identity. It is anti-human flourishing. It is actually anti-love to take his position about LGBTQ. the God who created us, who created the universe, who wants what's best for us, tells us in the very first chapter of the Bible, biologically who we are and what marriage looks like. And can we outlove

Starting point is 00:32:56 God, Related Fam? No, we cannot outlove God because 1st John 4-8 says, he is love. So this is yet another example of a singer deconstructing. We've seen a lot of these Christian singers do the same, the same thing, unfortunately in 2022, Kevin Max Smith of the iconic group DC Talk also expressed support for Pride Month. Not too long ago, there have been several others. Elisa Childers also talks about this. She was part of Zoe Girl and she is such an incredible apologist and an explainer of what deconstruction is, how we can fight against it in our own lives. the dangers and the falsehoods within what is called paradoxically progressive Christianity. And so I'm thankful for people like Elisa Childers and John Cooper,

Starting point is 00:33:52 who have seen just the rot and the lack of wisdom and the lack of strength and fortitude in the Christian music world and have spoken directly into that, while we also, who are outside of the Christian music world, get to benefit from it. Look, I think that Christian music is an entertainment industry. In the entertainment industry, you are going to have a lot of people who identify as LGBTQ. And when people have some sort of either relationship with someone or their living is tied to someone or the support of someone who identifies as LGBTQ, it is much harder for them to stand on the Word of God. We talked about Lauren Daigle, who I think is super talented. She seems like a really sweet person.

Starting point is 00:34:42 But a few years ago, she was asked about homosexuality. And she said she didn't know what God had to say about it. She doesn't know. She said she didn't know where she stood on it. She said that she had a lot of people that she knew and loved that were gay. And so there wasn't really anything she had to say about it. But again, the Bible is so abundantly and repetitively clear on that. That's something that we should have an answer for.

Starting point is 00:35:02 We don't have to let God off the hook. Like, we don't have to caveat him. or make excuses for him or soften his word. Gosh, he loves us so much. And he designs the things that he does. He places the parameters and definitions that he does for our good and for his glory. And if we don't trust that, do we really even believe in the gospel? Like, do we even really believe it's good news?

Starting point is 00:35:26 If we feel like we have to apologize for God's word, like, then why do we call ourselves Christians at all? So I don't be discouraged by that. Don't be discouraged by the fact that this kind of deconstruction is happening. Like we read in scripture that this is going to happen, that the wheat and the chaff will be separated. And we can pray for their repentance. By the way, as long as they're still alive, there's still hope. They can change their mind.

Starting point is 00:35:54 All of us have been wrong at one point. We can pray for the Holy Spirit to work in their lives and to turn them back to truth. But keep shining because you never know whose mind you're going to change. And I do just want to say, like as an example of this, I got this really sweet letter from a relatable listener over the weekend. And I got to meet her briefly at YWLS. And she said that she actually found me. She talked about her upbringing and just the difficulty there and how she was raised by someone, at least in part, who told her that the Bible was a lie. and she found me as she was kind of exploring her faith in her close to adult years through a YouTube channel that I won't even say the name of that used to be dedicated in large part to

Starting point is 00:36:46 just tearing me down and talking about how awful and hateful I am. This person considered herself a quote unquote progressive Christian. And this relatable listener actually found me through her watching her videos, talk about how awful I am. And then when she started watching these videos, she heard the gospel. And God worked through that and think the Lord she is where she is today with her faith and with her understanding of biblical sexuality and a biblical worldview. I played a very small part in that. But just continue being faithful and speaking truth because you just never know how God is using you as you are doing that. again, just to play an even a limited small role on someone's testimony is such an honor.

Starting point is 00:37:37 All right. Ergo baby. Maybe you say ergo baby. Ergo. Ergo. It's supposed to be like ergonomic. Right? And that's like how your baby is positioned in the baby carrier that they're trying to

Starting point is 00:38:05 say that it is healthy for their bodies and where their knees go and their joints and all of that. And I have really liked. I have used many of their carriers over the years. And I have one right now that I have used the most out of all of my carriers. And but I will say because I said on Instagram that their carriers are mid and I'm going to stand by that because I don't think that they are as versatile as they say that they are. like the weight ranges that they give you for those carriers, I don't think are extremely accurate. And the one that I have, I like it when they're little. When they get big, it just sags.

Starting point is 00:38:47 And so I stand by what I said on Instagram. Ergo baby is mid. And they're even worse now because they posted in support of transgenderism in children. Okay. It's one thing to believe this nonsensical idea that a man can become. a woman. It is 10 times worse, I think, to believe that a boy can become a girl or a girl can become a boy. Now, in both cases, you're detached from reality because it's not, it's not possible to change your sex. And no, gender and sex aren't different. They are one in the same. Gender

Starting point is 00:39:23 comes from genre. It's just another category of human sex. There's no such thing as gender identity. You are male or you are female. It is not possible through chemical castration or cross. sex hormones or a double mastectomy or a falloplastia or whatever. It is not possible to become the opposite sex. It's not possible to become the opposite gender. That is impossible. And so, yes, I think to tell a man or a woman as a grown adult that they can do that, I think that's evil because you're lying to them. You're affirming something that is not true. It's also bad for them. It's like bad for their bodies. But then to tell a child that, who is not fully developed, who's frontal lobe isn't even close to developing because we don't get there until we're 25,

Starting point is 00:40:10 who at any given moment could think that they are a power ranger or a summer squash, like to tell them that, yes, you can be the opposite sex, you can be a different gender, and we are going to put you down that path. It is evil. It is so incredibly evil. And Ergo Baby who says they are pro family, they're pro love, they're pro baby, They make these products for babies. That's how they make their money. They posted this on Instagram. It says, raising a trans child.

Starting point is 00:40:46 Blut. And this is supposed to take you to a blog post that they have. And the caption says this. Jodi Patterson's family story is a story of authenticity, courage, and love. At three years old, three. Her third child told her they were a boy. They were a boy. it's to correctly say she was a boy.

Starting point is 00:41:08 And from there, the trajectory of what motherhood looked like shifted. She had become a widely, she has become a widely thought after voice in the community for LGBTQIA. How many can we, how many can we do? Activism. And we got to ask Jody a few questions. Yada, yada, yada. I looked this person up.

Starting point is 00:41:27 This is just insane. Three years old. Three years old. I want you to tell me in the comments on you. YouTube. If you have a three-year-old, if you have had a three-year-old, all of the different stated identities that your child has had. Like, they've probably been all of the Paw Patrol characters at some point in their life. They have probably been a variety of zoo animals. They probably then moved on to different kind of safari animals. Maybe at different points,

Starting point is 00:41:54 they were different domesticated pets. They probably said that they were a fireman, they were a dragon. They were all kinds of fantastical creatures. Maybe they told you that they had a different name. Maybe they told you that their legs don't work anymore. And they started slithering on the floor and saying that they're a snake. Maybe they started drinking water out of a bowl because they wanted to be like a puppy. Like there are so many different things that our kids say. My kids tell me that they're a mommy. They're like, I'm a mommy. I have a baby in my belly. They say silly things all of the time that aren't true. Okay. I'm. I have a five-year-old and I have a three-year-old and then a baby.

Starting point is 00:42:35 And so I know what three-year-olds are like. I know that they say silly things and they're just trying to figure out the world. They're trying to figure out themselves. They're trying to figure out the difference between male and female, mommy and daddy. They're trying to put everything in the categories. They're trying to make sense of things. And what do they come to us for? They come to us for clarity.

Starting point is 00:42:55 They come to us for clarity. They come to us and sometimes they will say things. not as a question, but to test you. They say something they know is ridiculous. They know it's silly. Like they'll say at, you know, 430 right before you're going to have dinner, I'm going to have a cupcake. And they just want to see what you're going to say. They know that that's crazy. They know it's not going to happen. But they're just testing you because they don't have boundaries yet. They're pushing. They're figuring out what the boundaries are. And they want to go to the outer perimeter to see if someone's going to hold the line. When it comes to the definitions of things,

Starting point is 00:43:32 when it comes to rules, when it comes to what's allowed, they're figuring out things like time, like language, like social skills, all of that is still coming together for them at that young age of three. So when a young child comes up to you and says that you're the opposite sex, you don't say, yeah, that sounds great. You probably are. I'm going to go ahead and start calling you they and I am going to break all of the rules that I've taught you so far of grammar and sentence structure and I'm going to start calling you a plural like you are like legion in the Bible. I'm going to start calling you the opposite pronoun. I'm going to confuse all the friends. I'm going to confuse all the teachers. I'm going to confuse all the parents. I'm going to confuse everybody.

Starting point is 00:44:18 And most importantly, I'm going to confuse you, child. No, that's not what we offer our kids. When our kids are confused, we offer them clarity. We offer them clarity. We are. offer them the comfort that comes through clarity, not compounding their confusion with more confusion. That is cruel. And I'm sure this person has good intentions. Maybe. I don't know. That's the big benefit of the doubt there.

Starting point is 00:44:43 But I'm sure this person feels that they are loving their child. I'm sure that they would do a lot for their child. I'm sure that they would. But this is cruel. It is, it is cruel. Your three-year-old doesn't know. Here's what the post goes on to say. This is an excerpt of this blog post. There is not a space in this world that is not entangled with bias. Even in the most loving spaces, we still hold racism, sexism, transphobia. Just as I, years ago, didn't fully see or understand my child. I still have blind spots. The last slide says, a better way of leading I found is to encourage our people to experience all of life. This is insane. Now I say to my children, where you go, I will follow. where you are i will support what you know i will learn okay my child literally walked off of the couch

Starting point is 00:45:38 the other day like just kept walking like it was the floor i is that the person i'm supposed to follow do i follow that are you going to follow your child into speeding traffic are you following your child into a burning building, literally, figuratively? No, that's not what, that is a disorder. That's disorder. That is not the order of things. You were given to your child for their protection, to steward their hearts and minds,

Starting point is 00:46:11 to offer them clarity, to offer them protection. Instead, you are feeding them to the lions. And by the lions in this case, I'm talking about the psychologist, the psychiatrist, the endocrinologist, the LGBTQ activist, this, the journalists, the surgeons, all of the people that make lots of money, get lots of clicks, get lots of accolades from butchering your child. That's the opposite of your job.

Starting point is 00:46:39 You are supposed to prevent your child from becoming prey as much as you possibly can, not feed them to the predators. And we do all of this. We confuse and butcher children in the name of love. It's not love. It is the opposite of love. She said that her child said to her, mama, I love you, but I don't want to be you. I want to be Papa.

Starting point is 00:47:01 And you took that to mean that your child is actually a boy? She said that she responded in solidarity. If your insides feel strong like a boy, then go ahead and act like a boy. She said, my child quickly corrected me. No, mama, I don't feel like a boy. I am a boy. Doubt. Doubt.

Starting point is 00:47:21 I don't believe you. I don't believe you. your child is three. Three! Have you met a three-year-old? No. She goes on to say, but more importantly, I learn to relax and simply honor my son's sense of self. I simply wasn't interested in poking holes in his truth. You should. You should. Because they don't have a truth. Here's the thing. Here's this weird thing that progressives do that I notice a lot. And it actually starts with like how they think about abortion, some of them. And I'll get to that in a second.

Starting point is 00:47:57 But they think that children have this, like, it's a very new age belief. They have this special knowledge. They have this special profound wisdom. And that they are closer to the truth than we are because they haven't been marred by society. Because they haven't been conditioned into the gender binary, cis heteropatriarchy, racist system yet. And so they have more knowledge and wisdom, and therefore we need to just listen to them. And whether they realize it or not, it actually comes from this belief that children are closer to the other side. I'm talking like transcendent, supernatural.

Starting point is 00:48:40 Like they're close because they came from the other side. They are now in the world, but they still have like remnants in their spirit of the before life. And again, I'm not saying that they all explicitly think this, but this is where this thinking comes from. I mean, you hear this actually from some of them when you listen to them justify abortion. Like I've heard these spiritual people justify abortion by saying like, oh, my baby told me it was okay to let go. Or my baby chose me and I was so thankful for that, but I had to send them back. I've heard that language multiple times from women trying to justify their abortion. It's this very new age eastern mystic voodoo way of thinking about things and it's just not true.

Starting point is 00:49:29 No. Yes. I mean, Jesus says that we should have faith like a child. And this is a perversion of that. This is a perversion of that. Yes, faith in Jesus. Faith and the trust like a child who has to depend on God like a child depends on a parent. But they have perverted that like they say.

Starting point is 00:49:52 so often do and they say, no, we need to think like a child. We need to follow children. That's the opposite really of what Jesus says. Jesus said that the children are following him in faith. And this says that we have to follow children in faith. No, thank you. Our children need to follow us. Can we respect what they feel? Can we honor those emotions? Can we affirm when they feel happy or sad or scared or disappointed and that can we talk with them through that can we be sensitive to that of course can we be sympathetic can we understand when they're struggling or when they're confused yes i'm not saying that we need to shut them down every time they have a silly thought or every time their imagination runs wild i'm not saying that but when it comes to affirming something that is harmful for them

Starting point is 00:50:42 affirming something that is not true no we stand firmly against that well people were very mad about this post. They shut comments off because people were very upset, obviously. Like, you are affirming the chemical castration of and the butchering of bodies of children. While they posted this video, uh, in response. And this is Sot 3. Ergo baby will always be a safe place where we will not tolerate hate of any kinds. We believe in playing our part and believe in the global community that is resilient. Anti-racist. Empathetic. Inclusive. And welcoming. So our children can live openly in a secure world without fear. I believe in the transformative power of love.

Starting point is 00:51:24 No, you just believe in transgenderism. That's not the transformative power of love. Love has the power to transform people. That's absolutely true. But God defines love and love does not rejoice in wrongdoing. It rejoices in the truth. First Corinthians 13 is not loving to lie to someone. It's not loving to tell them that they were born in the wrong body.

Starting point is 00:51:46 in this age of self-love telling a child, yeah, you were born in the wrong body? How cruel? How mean is that? It's not possible to be born in the wrong body. You know, you say, no, it's good to be a girl. It's good to be a girl. And you don't have to want to be mommy right now. You're four years old.

Starting point is 00:52:06 That's not something that you need to think about yet. But you're a girl. And it is awesome being a girl. You want to wear jeans in a t-shirt and go outside and play in the dirt? let's do that. Let's catch some worms and caterpillars. That sounds awesome. But no, you are a girl. God made you a girl. It's good to be a girl. You can say the same thing to your boy. It's good to be a boy. It's good to be a boy. A lot of you ask me, what do I say to my child? When they ask me X, Y, Z, you just affirm what God's word says in very simple and childlike terms. You don't have to explain to them everything that the lie is. You don't have to explain to them what the world says, especially if they're in that really young age. we're laying a foundation of truth and goodness and beauty. You don't need to talk about the lies quite yet. You just lay a foundation of good, truth, goodness, truth, and beauty.

Starting point is 00:52:56 Offer your child clarity in the place of confusion. That is one of our most important roles as parents. It's the most loving thing we can do. All right. We're going to close out on just a little bit of Biden D-Day stuff, just a state of the race, if you will, when it comes to our commander-in-chief. And I'll just play you a video and quickly react to that. Okay, so everyone last week was talking about First Lady Jill Biden and President Biden in Normandy, France,

Starting point is 00:53:38 to commemorate the 80th anniversary of the U.S.-led Allied Forces D-Day invasion of Nazi occupied France. And I saw a lot of the videos and it just looked bad. It just, he just looks bad. And I'm not just saying that because I think his platform and party are evil. He looks awful. He looks awful. We are hearing from Democrats, no, no, no, no. He's so sharp that WSJ, the Wall Street Journal piece came out.

Starting point is 00:54:11 I think it was maybe the beginning of last week or maybe the week before saying, like, yeah, Biden is slipping behind closed doors. They had this long piece that after they talked to him for a long time, they just realized he's slipping. They gave lots of examples of that. Democrats came after him and said, no, he's still. So sharp. He's so strategic. And I'm like, it would be awesome if we got to see that. Like, I think it's an interesting campaign strategy to keep all of your cogent moments behind doors. Instead of just, like, showing them to the public. Like, I would love to see that side of Biden. If we could see the sharp strategic side of Biden, then I would personally be just a little bit comforted about the state of our country.

Starting point is 00:54:50 And yet, here he is at this commemoration. This is sought for. Distinguished guests, please welcome the Honorable Lloyd J. Austin. Okay, so he's sitting in an invisible chair there. He turns around and he looks for a chair that's not there. And no one else was even trying to sit. So I'm not sure what he was trying to do. Jill, with the classic mom move, she's covering her mouth like this. So no one can read her mouth.

Starting point is 00:55:25 And she's saying, sit up. Stand up. Stand up. That's what she's doing. I don't know that for sure. but I'm guessing because when you don't want people to read your lips and you kind of casually covering your mouth like that to try to chastise her husband, oh my goodness, that's what was going on there.

Starting point is 00:55:44 Then we have this other video of him randomly turning around and no one knows why. That was from earlier and this is live now. So he really couldn't make it through the ceremony. Now, I posted something on Twitter that some people were like, oh my gosh, that's a lie. when I was like Biden couldn't even get through this ceremony and these 98-year-old World War II veterans, God bless them, could. And while he did technically stay for the ceremony, he did have to leave a little bit before McCrone. But he also couldn't, what I meant was that he couldn't make it through cogently. Like he couldn't just do his job and fulfill his duties there.

Starting point is 00:56:47 it was a mess. It was very clear that he could not clearly manage everything that was happening, whereas the 98-year-olds could and did. People were also talking about the fact that when he gave his speech, that it sounds almost exactly like Reagan's speech 40 years ago. Here's top five. At last the hour had come, dawn, 6 of June, 9.5. At dawn on the morning of the 6th of June, 1944. 225 American Rangers arrived by ship, jumped into the waves and stormed the beach. 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Okay, so that sounds exactly like the Gipper.

Starting point is 00:57:41 But of course he's not. He will never, ever, ever come anywhere close to Reagan just as far as his rhetorical abilities. Reagan was a little bit younger in that clip. But remember, Reagan at the age of 71 there, he was criticized for his age when he was running. They were saying that he was too old. And of course, he was actually with it enough to be able to make a joke about it, to be able to make a joke in one of the debates, I think, when he was running the second time. I think if I remember correctly, the debate moderator asked, like, what do you say when people, you know, They point out your age.

Starting point is 00:58:20 And he made a joke saying, I'm not going to exploit the youth of my opponent when obviously they were talking about Reagan's age. And he knew that. But I just love how he deflected that. And everyone laughed. Even his opponent laughed. That was such a different time. But there are some policy issues that I have with Ronald Reagan. But what an incredible man.

Starting point is 00:58:45 What an incredible speaker. and it's just sad that Biden would even try just a little bit to emulate him or try to replicate him, rather, in any way. The election's coming up, y'all. We got a lot of politics to talk about. We're going to be a lot more political over the next few months than we have been over the past few months because we've got to be. Politics matter because policy matters because people matter, which means politicians matter. And the ability of our leader to actually think and talk really matters. All right, that's all you got time for today. See you guys back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1016 | Time to Ditch Ergobaby

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