Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1026 | The Secret to Preventing Cancer | Guest: Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy
Episode Date: June 26, 2024Today, we sit down with Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy, world-renowned medical doctor, leading functional integrative physician, and medical director of Cancer Center for Healing and Center for New Medicine.... She uses conventional, homeopathic, Eastern, and modern medicine to address the root cause of medical maladies, including autoimmune disorders and cancer. What are some issues with conventional medicine and prescription drugs? Is it possible to heal cancer naturally? What steps can help prevent cancer? And why is colorectal cancer increasing among young people? Dr. Connealy answers all that and more on how to preserve your health. Get your tickets for Share the Arrows: https://www.sharethearrows.com/ --- Timecodes: (01:07) Dr Connealy's story (16:49) Problems with conventional medicine (22:22) How to lose weight (32:10) Postpartum weight loss (35:44) Importance of sleep (39:07) Healing & preventing cancer (54:07) Body positivity movement (57:10) Colorectal cancer in young people (1:01:08) Hippocratic oath in medicine (1:05:38) How to find a good doctor --- Today's Sponsors: Seven Weeks Coffee — try Seven Weeks Coffee today at SevenWeeksCoffee.com and use the promo code: ALLIE to save 10% off your order. Covenant Eyes — protect you and your family from the things you shouldn't be looking at online. Go to coveyes.com/ALLIE to try it FREE for 30 days! Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code ALLIE50 for $50 off your order of $100+ at carlyjeanlosangeles.com. Birch Gold — protect your future with gold. Text 'ALLIE' to 989898 for a free, zero-obligation info kit on diversifying and protecting your savings with gold. --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 926 | The Secret Reason Doctors Push Cancer Drugs | Guest: Suzy Griswold https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-926-the-secret-reason-doctors-push-cancer-drugs/id1359249098?i=1000640353494 Ep 971 | Question Your Doctor, Save Your Life | Guest: Dr. Casey Means https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-971-doctors-are-paid-to-keep-us-sick-guest-dr-casey-means/id1359249098?i=1000649903503 Ep 693 | The Disturbing Truth About Breast Cancer Awareness Month | Guest: Chris Wark (Chris Beat Cancer) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-693-the-disturbing-truth-about-breast-cancer/id1359249098?i=1000583065318 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey
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Cancer was once a disease that was mostly reserved for older people.
That's no longer the case.
Cancer diagnoses among young people in the United States has skyrocketed in the past 10 to 20 years.
Why is that?
And how do we reverse this trend?
Today I've got Dr. Lee Aaron Keneally.
She created the Cancer Center for Healing as a result of this cancer epidemic.
Oh, my goodness.
She has got so much knowledge and wisdom to share with us today.
You are going to learn so much from this episode of Wellness Wednesday.
I know I did.
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Dr. Caneli, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
If you could tell everyone who you are and what she do.
All right.
My name is Dr. Learine Kenile and I'm a medical doctor.
I've been practicing for about.
38 years now. And I'm the medical director of Cancer Center for Healing and Center for New Medicine.
So before we get into what it looks like to holistically fight cancer, because a lot of people have
questions about what that even means, how did you get into this specific field of medicine?
Well, a couple of things that influenced me. I'm number three of six children.
when my mother was pregnant with me, she started bleeding.
And she went to the doctor and the doctor said,
oh, I have a medication that will stop the bleeding and prevent the miscarriage.
Fast forward 16 years later, my parents receive a letter that that drug called D-E-S diethylostobestral
could cause cancer in both male and female offspring, hormone problems, anatomical problems,
infertility problems. Wow. So I started going to MD Anderson Hospital because I lived and grew up in
Houston, Texas, and started going through lots of different evaluation procedures because that's what
they had recommended. And so at that time, I knew I wanted to be a doctor. And so I went to college,
got my degree in biology, went to medical school in Chicago, did training at Harbor, U.C.
LA in Torrance. And then I was working in the hospitals and the ERs and then I had the opportunity.
I interviewed with a physician and he said, oh, I will help you start your practice.
And he was a little bit outside the box thinking. He was an internist and a pathologist,
which is a very unique combination. I don't know actually what internist is.
Internist is a medical doctor that treats adult patients.
You know, like pediatrician treats younger babies and stuff.
So internist treats adult patients.
And a pathologist, they look up the tissue under the microscope and then make a, you know, a pathological diagnosis.
And you said that's an interesting combination.
Combination because you're seeing patients and then you're getting to see the pathology of that patient.
Okay.
So he started teaching me lots of different things that I was like, whoa, I didn't learn this in medical school.
And then growing up in Texas, my mother was ultra-natural.
She nursed us all for a year.
She never used it to our baby food.
She never allowed us to eat out.
We ate it.
I bet she was mortified when she got that letter.
Yes.
When you were 16.
Oh, yes.
It was.
I mean, anyone would be, but especially someone who is so naturally, natural-minded,
thinking that a medication could still have effects on her children.
Right.
Well, think about it.
You know, you trust the doctor.
first. And so you think, okay, this is the best option and then what mother wants to risk
losing their baby. Exactly. And so, but, you know, hindsight's always 20-20. That drug was used for
40 years knowing it had uncogenic cancer-causing potential. So it did not cause any negative effects in
you that you know of? Oh, I had lots of little side effects. Oh, you did? Yes, a couple of things.
One, I did have abnormal, they call it atypia or dysplasia, which is irregularity in the cells.
So you have normal cells and then you have dysplasia, which is how they're cross-folding, and then you have cancer.
And then I never had two periods in a row in my life, so I became a hormone expert.
When I needed to have my babies, I had to go to an infertility expert because I never had two periods in a row in my life.
And then I developed scoliosis, and I had 18 hours of back surgery five years ago.
Wow. And all of this is probably, as far as we know, from the pill that your mother took while she was pregnant.
Right. Because we have no genetic predisposition for any of these things. I mean, I have fibros and sisters, and they're all alive and well and actually have a very uneventful medical history.
Yeah.
And so, you know, I always tell people, though, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if, you know, that had not occurred.
Yeah.
You know, your mess becomes your message, right?
Mm-hmm.
And gosh, there are so many lessons to be learned.
That's one of them.
That's what I was thinking that, like, got orchestrated.
I mean, how he just orchestrated your life based on something that was bad, that was, you know, harmful in a lot of ways, but used it for you to kind of be a vessel of healing for.
others, that in itself is pretty incredible. But I also think of the whole kind of trust the science
message that especially we heard during COVID. And within that was kind of the message that you
should never question what's considered science in the moment or you should never question doctors.
But we can see throughout medical history that there have been a variety of medical solutions
that have ended up having detrimental effects. And,
And it was maybe because not enough people spoke up at the time or knew to speak up at the time and wouldn't question that they kind of got away with that for so long.
Right. And especially now more than ever. And I would tell anyone out there listening is to question everything, go down the rabbit hole, get different opinions. And really, you know, the Hippocratic oath is first do no harm. And so, you know, before.
Before the conventional medical allopathic protocol, all doctors were naturopathic.
And what's allopathic?
Alopathic is the way that we practice medicine today.
You get a diagnosis, you diagnose, and then you treat either with drugs or surgery.
That's kind of what we do now.
I mean, what conventional medical doctors do now.
Right.
And so, but a hundred years ago before the advent of penicillin, all doctors,
had to treat their patients naturally because there were no medications.
Think about it.
Right.
And so patients, all doctors had to use natural remedies.
Yeah.
And they had to go to the root cause or they wanted to go to the root cause, right?
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
You know, to really explain to people out there, root causes, you know, everybody always
wants to relate and get one thing to fix their problem, right?
Right.
And they want something easy, quick, fast.
And I tell people the miracle that you're privileged to live in is not easy, quick, fast in any form or fashion.
We are 50 million cells, 50 trillion cells, excuse me, with the most unbelievable anatomy, physiology,
I mean, electrical aspects of our body.
that, you know, it's absolutely amazing miracle.
And if we all grew up with that and we all were taught that our, you know, body and our mind and our spirit is this beautiful sanctuary that we need to take care of, it would be very, very different.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
So I know I kind of backtracked us a little bit, but going off of that, you said that once you were starting your practice and you,
you met this doctor who decided to help you.
You said he was a pathologist and internist.
Internist.
Yeah, internal medicine doctor.
And that he started teaching you things.
Right.
That you hadn't grown up knowing or thinking about or learning in medical school, right?
So tell us a little bit more about that.
Right.
So I started my practice because I was like, okay, what is a good way to get patients?
So weight loss is a great way to get patients.
And so it's still a great way to get patients.
And so he taught me also how to, it was a very interesting story because when I was 21, I was living in Mexico to learn Spanish.
And my girlfriend, she was from Hungary and we would trade food journals and to lose weight.
And so then we kept track of our food and our exercise and everything that we were doing every day.
So I was doing that before I even practice medicine.
So I'm just interested, you were learning Spanish and not.
Mexico just because you wanted to or was it for any kind of particular purpose? No, just because I wanted to. I grew up in Texas, but I never, my mother made me always take Latin. And so Spanish, when I was young, I would travel to Mexico City to spend my summers. Latin was probably helpful in medical school. Well, it's helpful for many, many different things, understanding languages. Latin is very good. Not to mention the literature and the history is amazing to glean from.
Yes. Okay, I know I keep on taking you down these rabbit trails. I just find so many aspects of it interesting. So you were trading food journals with your friend that was in Hungary at the time, which I love. That's such an interesting way to like to just compare the different kinds of foods. So we were our accountability partner, basically, right? Which is kind of what everyone kind of needs is someone to hold them accountable. So we did this. We both were very successful because we each had to tell each other what we were doing.
Okay.
And so anyway, so then that extrapolated to me starting my practice in basically hypometabolic
medicine, which everybody wants to blame their metabolism on their weight loss, right?
Yeah.
So hypometabolic, so slow metabolism.
So anyway, so he taught me lots of different things about hormones.
Okay, I knew about hormones, what you learn in medical school, but the actual understanding of hormones
and what they do in your body has been an entire revelation for me personally and professionally.
And so I really, when we had a patient, we always ask them how they live.
Okay, how much sleep do you get?
How much water?
I mean, what are you eating?
You know, you need to keep a food journal.
I know people hate food journals, but it's like the best way to know what you're eating.
And you have to force yourself to like take a look at that, right?
and then exercise and activity.
And then stress is a whole another thing to deal with.
So anyway, so then when patients would come in to see me, my first office was in Beverly
Hills, California, and patients, after a while, you know, you would see patients and they
would bring in an article, oh, Dr. Kinley, what do you think about this?
And what do you think about this?
And they would bring in some fascinating information.
I'm like, oh, my God, I've never even heard of this.
So I started going down different rabbit holes based upon my patients asking me for information.
About weight loss specifically?
No, it could be anything, longevity, anti-aging, hormones, all different things.
So people were coming to you specifically for that?
For weight loss.
Okay, for weight loss specifically, but what they were bringing in kind of covered a broad
spectrum of different things.
So I started going down all these different rabbit holes and I was like, oh, whoa, there's
a lot to things. And because in medical school, let's face it, it's didactic. And when you are trained
at a hospital, you're looking at emergency situations. People with big tumors, people bleeding,
people drug overdose. I mean, you're not dealing with the day-to-day, you know,
functionalities of a person, right? You're dealing with crises management, right? So when you go out in the
real world, not that you might not have a crisis,
But you're seeing patients who are coming to see you, maybe for an annual visit, maybe they need hormone replacement, maybe they're coming to see you for preventive care, maybe they have a diagnosis of diabetes or autoimmune, or one of the biggest complaints people have today is fatigue.
And so, so, you know, people come to you now for all different reasons.
And, you know, now I see everything from stage four cancer to human optimization.
Okay. And so it's in everything, like you talked about earlier, everything has many, many,
many different causes. Right. And so when you're treating a patient, the label is just the diagnosis
because in conventional medicine, we use a diagnosis because that's how you get paid. Okay? So we have
the electronic medical record and it's all, you know, pre-populated with how you should
do a history and physical. I customize mine because it's very different than the regular history
and physical. And then the patient gets a diagnosis, let's say chronic fatigue syndrome,
let's say hypertension, let's say hyperglycemia, hyperlipedemia. So those are all diagnosis.
And so the doctor will get paid based upon their diagnosis. And so I look at it as how do I
de-diagnose you? How do I take a
away those diagnosis and create health and build health. We basically are focusing on sickness.
Right. And more and more sickness. Okay. And if you look at what's going on in our world today,
autism is at an all-time high. In the state of California, it's one in 22. Other people say it's
one in 37. 60% of our elementary kids have one and more chronic illnesses. Our children have the
highest rate of anxiety, depression, and suicide, and 30-year-olds are getting cancer.
So we should be in outrage.
Doctors should be an outrage and the public should be an outrage because this is unacceptable.
If we can send people to the moon and talk to Africa, we should be able to create health
in humanity.
But you say it mostly for a lot of doctors comes down to, you said medical school is
didactic.
You said that just what they're learning in medical school is not necessarily how to holistically
heal someone, but basically what insurance code to put down based on the diagnosis, right?
Correct.
And that is a big part of the problem.
Right.
And doctors are overwhelmed by the demands of their electronic medical record.
So they have very little time to truly care and talk to the patient.
Because their electronic medical record rules them today.
Yes.
Okay.
Long time ago, I didn't have an electronic medical record.
We had typewriters and we did everything by hand.
Yeah.
And so, and we sat down and we talked to people.
Today, doctors don't have time.
They look at your records.
They make sure you're not going to die, right?
Or you don't need to go to the emergency room.
And they look at your diagnosis and they write you a prescription.
They have a prescription in their pocket or in their hand.
Right.
Okay.
And prescription drugs, some people say it's the number one cause of death.
And some people say, the CD says, it's the third leading.
cause of death. But I know it's high up there, okay? Because literally, you probably can't account,
right, how someone dies if they're taking five medicines, ten medicines, correct? And we know heart
disease is up there in the top three and cancer. Right. And so we should be able to create,
like again, I say is health and human optimization in every patient. We can do that. I know we do it
every single day. Yeah. You know, I had an endocrinologist who recently just retired from his practice,
and he's only, you know, he's only in his 50s, and he said he's only taking some concierge patients.
And what he told me is it's because of the insurance and how much time that takes me. He was like,
I didn't go to medical school for this. Or like, this is not why I do what I do. And so I'm sure,
if that's what he's saying, that's how a lot of doctors feel. So how did you get out of that?
How did you say, I'm not going to do that?
I'm not spending all my time figuring out the, you know, the diagnosis just to basically maintain someone's sickness.
Well, interestingly enough, 38 years ago, I took insurance, okay, because they paid the doctor.
Yeah.
Right.
Then as time goes on, like your doctor was saying, they're not paying the doctor, basically.
You're working, working, working feverishly.
Most doctors work like 12 hours, 10 to 12 hours.
a day just to see the patients, do the electronic medical records, refill prescriptions,
make sure there's nothing critical going on, okay? And they do not have time to do anything else.
And so I decided, we decided as a team like, no, we cannot do this anymore. We're all
killing ourselves. And so it was the best decision I ever made is getting out of insurance.
And now we can properly take care of our patients. I think today the patient, the patient
realize that. That's why a lot of physicians are opting out to do concierge medicine.
But concierge medicine, though, is still not fixing you. Most concierge doctors are, it's just like
they're limiting the amount of people they see. They'll sit down and talk to them, which is
part of good care, is sitting down and talking to patients. But they're not really practicing
holistically. The other words we use today are integratively or functionally, right?
So it's combining the best of conventional medicine with the new, what I call, updated natural allopathic protocol.
Okay?
Because medicines changed.
Most things, if you went to medical school in five to seven years, what you learned is outdated.
So there has got to be a continuous upgrade of knowledge that you have to be acquiring to take care of the patient in front of you.
So either, if you're going to do the insurance thing, and I'm just.
just thinking about my own experience.
The most experience I've had with doctors is when I've given birth three times.
And I'm comparing like my OB versus the midwife group.
And they both took insurance.
So I'm guessing it's either you opt out of the whole insurance scheme altogether
or you limit the number of patients you can see,
which is I think what my midwife group did.
Because I think about how they treated me every appointment they would sit down.
They would talk to me like I'm a friend.
for as long as I wanted to.
And then my OB, I'm sure, you know, he's a great doctor.
I'm not saying he's a bad guy.
It was literally maybe 30 seconds.
Like he would come in and he would say the same thing.
You good?
You good?
If you see anybody, let me know.
And then that would be it.
And then he was out.
And I didn't even, you know, get to know him.
He wasn't there at my birth.
And I'm guessing it's, you know, because of this.
Like sees a bunch of patients, but also all the insurance stuff,
which can really have a big effect.
on patients, right? Right, it does because you're just not getting care, basically. You're getting
the absolute necessity, okay, of what you need, all right? And you, but again, if you're just getting
a prescription, how is that fixing you, right? You know, it's easy to treat patients. It's not easy to
heal patients. Right, right. So you said that patient CEO for now a wide range of things, they might have
stage four cancer.
They might have just need to lose weight.
Before we get into the cancer portion, I'm interested in your perspective on weight loss.
I mean, there's been debates for years and years and years on how to properly lose weight.
I remember learning in college fitness 101 that there may be a variety of factors, but it's basically
calories and calories out.
Does it come down to that calories and calories out?
and how exactly should we be calculating that?
Right.
Well, I believe, yes, there is,
but studies show that today people have very inefficient metabolic.
Okay?
And the way it was, you know, 30 years ago, 60 years ago,
people had better metabolisms.
Now, with all the extreme exposure of toxicity
from everything from endocrine disruptors,
to insecticides, pesticides,
glyphosphate and everything.
We're a chemical soup every day,
and every individual is an original.
So how you take in the universe
and how somebody else does
is completely different.
We're all unique
and how our body detoxifies,
how it processes everything.
And then, let's face it,
you know, most people don't follow a healthy lifestyle.
All right?
They don't sleep.
50% of the population
doesn't sleep. So if you don't sleep, you'll have a tendency to put on weight. Like less than eight
hours or even? It should be you want to honor your circadian rhythm, which is about 10 to six,
give or take 30 minutes. Okay. Okay. Then most people don't drink water. They replace it with
energy drinks or other kinds of drinks. And but you got to, you want to drink water because water helps
the body detoxify and do its necessary functions. All right. And, and you got to, you want to drink water because. And,
And I'm not saying you need to overdrink, you know, but you just don't want to underdrink.
Yeah.
All right.
Then people eat a lot of processed foods and a lot of seed oils and almost everything you buy that's in a package has sugar in it.
When people start consciously looking and become a forensic food scientist, they really will see what's in their food.
Now, if you're buying a one ingredient like an apple or a zucchini, you know usually what that is, but we have to buy all of that produce.
now organic because of the insecticides and pesticides.
So I think being mindful and conscious of your food intake and how much food, because we
are a society of extreme proportions, correct?
And then we have 800 muscles that need to move our body.
And, you know, they say sitting is the new smoking.
So people sit on their computer.
They're sitting, doing everything instead of maximizing their movement and maximizing their
muscle mass. And so that's kind of a, you know, it sounds simple and it is simple, okay,
but people don't really, you know, do it. Let's just face it. When you sit down, I ask every patient
all these questions. And then when you talk about stress, because stress increases your cortisol,
therefore it makes you gain weight. So, and people are really stressed. I mean, they've always been
stress, but it seems like it's more intense today. Yeah, always in fight or flight. Always in
fight or flight. So when the cortisol goes up and you're in fighter flight, is your body saying,
ooh, I've got to hold on to this fat because I don't know what kind of threat I'm facing?
Well, so cortisol causes the increase in sugar. Okay. Increases sugar. Your pancreas has to make
insulin. So insulin comes in to bring down the sugar and it tells your body to store fat.
And then that's a vicious cycle all the time.
And then a lot of people have hormone imbalances, all right?
Thyroid, for example, is a very large, growing amount of people who have thyroid dysfunction.
And so if you don't have, if your thyroid's not good, that's going to affect your metabolism like 30%.
Right.
And then you've got to take the proper replacement of thyroid.
And most doctors just give synthroid or level thyroxin.
No, that's what I'm on.
I've been on it since I was like 19.
Right.
And I want to holistically address it, but a lot of people, a lot of women who are in my position, it's just it's easier to take cent forward, especially if like, you know, I've had three kids in the past five years.
I've been scared to mess with it or to get off of it because, you know, I want to be able to get pregnant and have a healthy pregnancy.
So I think it's also kind of scary to try to address it in a more holistic way.
Right.
But the endocrine system, you know, hormones are the natural drugs to your body.
And so it is very important for a mother to be to have an optimal indocrine system.
So women have their thyroid gland.
They have their pancreas, which makes insulin and glucagon.
They have their ovaries that make estrogens and progesterone and testosterone.
And then you have your adrenal glands, which sit on top of your kidney like little hats.
And they make over 100 hormones.
So the health of your indigrant system is a paramount importance because that is what
you're giving your baby is the baby is living off of you. So you want to be optimal so that the
baby is optimal. Right. And I would say hormone problems exist tremendously today because of the
endocrine disruptors that have been around for years. And you said like pesticides. Pesticides,
insecticides, the xenoestrogen. The biggest offender is thalates, plastic. So like for example,
we measure the thalate level on all of our patients because that...
How do you do that?
Yeah.
How do you measure that?
So that's a urine test.
Okay.
So that is an important, you know, thing to look at.
I mean, obviously we look at glyphosphate, we look at mold and fungus, we look at heavy metals.
Because, like I said earlier, we're living in a toxic soup in our body and in extreme
toxicity in our air and our water and our food.
and then everything we put on our body.
Do you think it's possible if someone addresses all of those factors
and tries to rid as much as possible, those endocrine disruptors,
that they could heal something like hypothyroidism?
Yeah, I think if they properly took care of their body, all right,
then properly purified, if they probably got their iodine levels.
And then, again, you know, you don't just say,
okay, I'm just going to try treat this naturally.
First of all, I always try to fix the patient as good as possible in the beginning,
and then I can take away.
So if you came into me, some of my patients were like, no, can I do this completely natural?
And I go, absolutely, let's do it, let's try.
And then some patients maybe feel so bad that we institute some kind of, you know, replacement.
I don't use synthroid.
I use natural preparations of thyroid.
Like pig desiccated?
Yes.
Okay.
Like armor?
Well, I use another one.
It's a natural form of armor because armor changed the formulation of walk back.
So now I use something called MP thyroid.
And so.
And you like that better just because it's more natural.
Well, no.
This is the difference.
Is your thyroid?
So your brain makes something called thyroid stimulating hormone.
sends a message to your thyroid to make T4 and T3.
T4 is inactive.
doesn't do anything until the liver converts it to T3. So if you're not a good converter,
you're still low in your T3. And most doctors don't check T3. So the natural compound has T4 and T3.
And really, when you take care of patients, most patients feel better on that natural combo
of T4 and T3 than just Synthroid or level thyroxin. But I check the patient's level. I have a patient
that comes in on synthroid, I'll go, okay, well, let's just see. Maybe you're a good converter
and maybe you're making sufficient T3. But my thyroid panel is very extensive. Instead of looking
at one or two things, which is typical of the medical profession, I'm looking at all the
intercon function of the thyroid. Right. Looking at thyroid antibodies, looking at reverse T3,
looking, you know, at the entire panel of thyroid. And as we're talking about how
much hormones can affect, not just how someone feels, but their ability to lose weight. Have you seen
in women who they had their baby, they're wanting to lose weight, it can be difficult to do that.
I guess my question is, like, what is your recommendation for women who are postpartum and they're
wanting to get back to their pre-baby weight, but it's just been difficult to lose those last few
pounds asking from personal experience for me a lot of people say that oh breastfeeding makes you
lose weight so easily that has not been the case for me and it has always been until like a year
after birth that I get back to my pre-pregnancy weight and I really kind of hang on to the pounds
for a while until I'm like almost done breastfeeding right um and so I'm guessing that's hormonal
I don't really know though so I'm just curious your thoughts on that and like what's your
recommendation would be to women in that position. Well, I think, first of all, don't stress yourself out
about that, okay? Because that's what happens, you know, let's face it. I would say the top three
complaints for women are wait, wait, and wait. Okay? That's my experience, all right? And so I think,
first of all, try to do everything that you can, but when you're a mother, like for you, you have
three children, you're busy, you're working, you're trying to fit it all in, okay? And
And just try to do your best.
Make sure you can partner with a doctor who can really assess the entire hormonal orchestra
to make sure that you are optimal.
Now, when you're nursing, obviously it's very different because your prolactin is high
and you're nursing the baby and your hormones aren't what they're going to be when you stop nursing.
And what is prolactin?
Prolactin is the hormone that causes a release of milk.
Okay.
And how does that affect your body's ability to,
metabolize and lose weight. Well, usually you're not making the estrogen. You know, your whole system is,
you know, you're not having periods. You're not having periods and, you know, everything's on hold until you
feed that baby, right? Yeah. So, and every woman, it's a little different because some women, like you said,
their metabolism. It's great after, you know, they have their baby and they're nursing and they're,
and you, yeah, because you're using so many calories. Yeah. But that's not the case for everyone. And so,
But, you know, I wouldn't like, I always tell people it's sometimes good for you to be of good, healthy weight and, you know, not be skinny, skinny when you're having your nursing and everything.
So I think start working on that after you have that, after you quit nursing.
And then you can focus more on all the details.
Right.
Because with you, with three kids, you're trying to survive every day.
Right.
And so you're doing the best job.
but, you know, let's face it, it's a lot.
I mean, I know I've been there, done that.
And so you have to have like extreme order and organization if you want to do it all.
Yes. And like you said, the stress that can come along with trying to do everything perfectly
can actually inhibit you from being able to lose weight quickly.
And so, yeah, you do kind of...
Right, because nursing is not going to be your end game.
It's going to be, you know, during the time.
that you decide to nurse that baby. And then after that, your body's going to get back into
its normal circadian rhythm and cycle of a menstrual cycle. Right. And you mentioned sleep,
and this is definitely relevant to moms with little ones. How does sleep or lack of sleep
affect your ability to get healthy and lose weight? Right. Well, sleep is like, we don't even
understand all the mysteries of sleep. But sleep is when our body detoxified.
that's when it goes into repair
into regeneration, all right?
And so if it doesn't have the opportunity
to do that,
then you wake up and you start
the whole process again.
So it's your time for restoration.
And so you have to sleep.
Now, when you're nursing,
I remember I had twins.
And I was, you know, when you're up with two babies,
but, you know, you get through it.
Yeah.
Right?
You get through it.
And hopefully after,
four to six months. The babies are sleeping through the night. Luckily, my babies did sleep. My
oldest slept after four months and the twins probably after four to six months. So I was able,
you know, to get my sleep back. And so because I put my babies on a schedule because with twins,
like you can't, you have to, you know. And a lot of people are really against that. Yeah. But not me.
But not me because I had a, I had an extreme schedule with my work and everything. So I had to have it.
And then no one would want to come and help take care of my kids if my kids weren't on a schedule, right?
So if they had the same time of eating and playing and everything, it was all predictable and it did work very, very well.
And that sleep is just so necessary.
I can see a big difference for me.
We did my first two slept through the night probably six months or even sooner than that.
My youngest right now, she does, but it's been, it's taken a lot.
longer and I can tell a difference just in my joints and how I feel my energy, my ability to think.
And when she did start sleeping through the night, most nights anyway, it was like I didn't even
realize how slow my brain had been working until I started sleeping.
And I was like, oh my gosh, I feel like I think quicker.
I remember things better.
I can talk better.
Totally.
We don't realize how much sleep affects.
Absolutely.
You're absolutely right.
You see the difference in how you feel.
Yeah.
I know if I don't sleep well.
oh, I pay big time.
Yes.
Okay, I'm so interested to hear about your perspective on cancer.
My mom went through breast cancer and thankfully she's healed now and she really changed how she ate, how she lived her life.
And she did a lot of what you're talking about.
She started looking at the food and not just like, okay, is it a salad versus a donut?
But really looking at the ingredients and I really think that helped her heal quickly.
She also did a few rounds of radiation, but she really wanted to be as natural as possible.
And so that kind of made me interested in how to fight back against cancer.
And I see a lot of different strategies and opinions out there, some who swear by veganism,
some who swear by carnivore, some who swear by whatever else.
But tell us your big picture perspective on how to fight cancer, then we'll kind of get into the details.
Well, first of all, the cure for cancer is prevention.
So everyone today, since cancer rates are one and two people, should be focusing on prevention and not whether or not you're going to get a diagnosis.
Okay?
Because cancer takes 10 years to develop from one cancer cell to tumor in the conventional world takes about 8 to 10 years.
I did not know that.
Okay.
So that means you have eight years of opportunity to prevent cancer.
So, but by the time it shows up on a, you know, ultrasound CT scan or something, it's been there,
started eight to ten years ago.
So we had, like I said, we have eight years to prevent.
We already know many, many things that lifestyle is what is the biggest contributor.
They did a study of 44,000 identical twins.
The single greatest determinant of whether they were going to get cancer was what they ate and their lifestyle.
So we need to all really get conscious and mindful of how do we live each and every day, all right?
What I talked about earlier, how much sleep, how much water, and you can't drink water,
you can't drink water now out of the tap because it's all toxic.
Yeah.
So you have to have some kind of water purification system.
You have to eat foods that nourish, drink, and heal your body, and mostly organic.
You have to move your body.
You have to really lighten your alcohol, not smoke, and get your stress under control.
Have wonderful friends around you and have that social element and have people who really love you, care for you and nourish, you know, your soul.
And so those things would be, you know, which is all things you can do yourself, right?
And so there's a book called Radical Remission, and these were all stage four cancer patients.
And eight out of the ten things they did were things they did on their own.
So if you're diagnosed with cancer, so I would first of all need, you know, when you go to any medical institution,
they're going to tell you surgery, chemo, or radiation.
All right.
So like I said, this cancer didn't just start, but everyone,
should be taking a deep dive, why, where, when, and how this all happened. And so, and really take a,
you know, look at many different things, read many different book, get people around you who can
assist you and help you and show you all the different ways. But in this day and time, just taking
the traditional approach is immunosuppressive and injurious. Right. And so, and not to mention,
we have something called circulating tumor cells that actually usually start before the cancer even starts.
So, you know, circulating tumor cells were discovered in 1948.
There's five articles a day on PubMed.
And no doctor even checks them because the laboratories here in the United States, you know, there's one that we use.
But it's, you know, so-so.
I prefer other laboratories to assess circulating tumor cells.
So you can't get rid of cancer in a quick lumpectomy or a quick mastectomy, okay, right?
Because you didn't change the garden and the terrain came in.
And there's something called the tumor microenvironment.
What is the tumor microenvironment?
So Otto Warburg 100 years ago said that cancer was an acidic, low oxygen, and sugar
environment. And when I say sugar, it's basically an anaerobic glycolysis. And what that means is the cells are
replicating in a low-oxygen environment and very inefficient. Your normal cells are aerobic and make
36 ATP, which is your currency of life. And a cancer is inefficient only makes two ATP. And so again,
so if you decide to do surgery, okay, what's going to happen to that tumor microenvironment?
get worse, right? Because a surgery is very hard on the body. Okay? You need to get yourself spiritually,
emotionally, physically prepared to undergo a surgery. Then if you need to do chemo, what is chemotherapy?
A very, very serious toxin and can affect every single cell and every single system in the body.
again, what does it do to the tumor microenvironment?
Make it worse.
Okay?
So if you're doing chemotherapy, you must have this collateral protective plan so that you can do your surgery.
You can do the chemotherapy if need be.
I do chemotherapy in my office.
And then radiation, that has to be decided individually because radiation is immunosuppressive
and injurious too.
so that has to have a good protective plan.
So it's weird.
We prescribe these things and we don't think,
what is it doing to the patient and how am I harming you?
And what kind of protection should I give you?
And all doctors should think like this, right?
If I give you antibiotics, what does that do?
Well, that kills your microbiome,
which is one of the most studied things now today.
your microbiome is, you know, the bacterial universe that is bigger than your 50 trillion cells.
And so you take an antibiotic, you kill your entire microbiome, your entire forest of bacteria.
That is 80% of your immune system.
And then what happens when you take antibiotics?
You risk growing yeast, which is fungus.
All right?
So that is a microorganism that contributes to implement.
in the body.
So we want to make sure that that patient starts eating fermented food and taking good probiotic
and then assure that the patient doesn't develop yeast.
You know how like women will take an antibiotic.
They get a yeast infection, right?
So we need to make sure that what we've done to the patient, now they have created
homeostasis back again.
Right, right.
And what about vitamin C therapy and things like that for?
cancer? Well, I, there's many, many magic bullets, okay? There's not a magic bullet. There's lots of them. And when you have
cancer, because you have to think of cancer is, okay, if you have a billion cells in a cancer tumor,
they're all in their own universe. So cancer is very heterogeneous. So that means it's very
multifaceted. And so using one thing,
usually doesn't work, right? So besides changing your lifestyle factors, you know, vitamin C is one
thing, orally and intravenously, it's been used many, many years. Linus Pauling, who got the Nobel
Prize for invading the chemical bond. He talked about the magic of vitamin C, and then so many people
after that have talked about oral vitamin C and IV vitamin C. I would say vitamin C is probably the most
important nutrient that every human needs to take because it's the antidote to everything.
It's the antidote to heavy metals. It's the antidote to chemicals and toxins in your environment.
It helps your immune system. And it is, you know, incredibly helpful for neutralizing other
microorganisms and everything and helping you fight bucks. So I would say that's like something
every man, woman, and child.
We're the only mammals
who don't make our own vitamin C.
Every mammal manufactures their own vitamin C
were the only ones that don't.
Can you do it in food?
Yes, you can.
Lemons, lime, squeeze a whole lemon or a lime,
kiwis.
There's lots of things that have natural vitamin C.
So yes, you can try to get all of your nutrients
through food.
I mean, I check everybody's vitamins and minerals.
And so I know what they're missing.
I'm not guessing.
I'm testing.
So I'm figuring out what you eat person need because all of your cells need lots of vitamins
and lots of minerals to work every day for you.
And it's almost impossible to get it eating food, you know, just regular food.
Or let's say you buy all organic.
Right.
I remember years ago, I had this young lady and she was in her 30s and she had a
lymphoma. And she told me her regimen every day that she did. And I was like, whoa, this is
impressive. All the nutrients, all the herbs she took and everything. And I did her nutrient assessment.
And I was like, whoa, this girl has so many nutrient deficiencies. So it just goes to show you,
you can't guess on those things. And now we have the ability to measure so many things in medicine.
So we might as well do that. Because like I said earlier,
every person, every individual's an original. No two people are like and how they respond to the
universe is very different. You know, you're not, we're not, you're not living in a petri
disc where you're controlling the medium every day. You're exposed to, you know, other people,
the energy of other people, the, all the toxins in, and whatever environment you're in,
electromagnetic fields. I mean, we're bombarded every single day with something new and different.
And so, like, I read a study last weekend that they examined the heavy metals and infant formulas.
And 20 of them, all 20 that tested, had heavy metals.
Now, to get a formula registered and okay to be used for a baby is very, very rigorous.
And so they all had heavy metals.
You're like, what, you're giving your baby heavy metals?
And what are heavy metals?
Heavy metals.
Okay.
So heavy metals are like mercury.
cadmium, aluminum.
And they're toxic for the body.
They're toxic. There's no, the EPA says there's no safe level of any heavy metal.
Even like aluminum and deodorant.
Oh no, you should never use.
Well, I don't. I don't. But it's, well, how are they able, like how is secret able to have
deodorant with aluminum in it if the FDA says that there's no, you know, healthy level?
Yeah, but there's no real chicken. Look how many things when you go to the grocery store.
Look how many toxins are.
on the shelves. Right. Okay. Yeah. That's why I said you have to become a forensic food scientist. You need to
become a chemist. And now there's so many different things that you can. There's environmental
working group that shows everything that's toxic. So there's so many different things. There's
think dirty. It's another app. There's all these different apps now that show you what's in things.
I mean, we're talking everything. Everything. Yeah. And so formula, all these heavy metals exist in the
Right. And then they tested baby food too. Organic and non-organic 100% had heavy metals. Wow. Okay. Well, what do
heavy metals do to the body? They interfere with your DNA replication. They block the Krebs cycle of
energy, which is how your body makes ATP. So I see when we test, because we test probably almost
everybody for heavy metals, I've not seen anyone that doesn't have heavy metals. Wow.
So we're all in the same boat because we're all being exposed to what the world has today.
But, you know, unfortunately, this is the world we're living in, okay, where things, we utilize things without a check and balance.
Right.
Okay.
And so you, I always tell people, self-care is the new health care.
you taking charge and responsibility and accountability for your own life, I would say education, education, educate yourself on what is going on and what you can do for yourself. Because as you know, health has to be our number one value. If we don't have our health, we don't have anything, right? You can't be a good mother. You can't be a good sister. You can't be a good daughter. And you can't be good at what you do. And you can't be a good wife.
Yeah. Right? So everything here.
hinges on your ability to be healthy. And so we all need to make that front and center. And that's
what you need to teach your children. I'm guessing that you don't think too highly of aspects of the so-called
body positivity movement that are not really positive about the body when you think about it,
because they're really encouraging in a lot of ways being unhealthy and being slothful and eating
whatever you want to. I'm not saying that everyone needs to look the same to be beautiful,
but there is a message out there today that there's really no one way to be healthy and being morbidly
obese is totally fine if that's how you want to live your life. There is kind of this relativistic
message out there today that claims to be body positive, but really I think it's encouraging
a lot of toxic behavior that harms us. Right. Well, as
As we all know, there's rules and laws of Mother Nature.
I didn't write them.
You didn't either.
But we do know how the body works and what is going to create the best outcome.
Okay?
There's something called evidence-based medicine.
There's observational medicine.
We can see if we do these things, we have better outcomes.
Okay.
We know that if you're obese, you're increased risk for mostly all diseases, including cancer.
I mean, 40% of the population, you know,
population is obese.
Okay.
And we know that creates, you know,
lower brain function isn't as good.
Increased risk of fatty liver.
We know increased risk of cancer,
increased risk of hormone problems because the adipose organ,
the fat organ acts as an organ in and of itself,
creating inflammation and metabolic molecules that your body has to process.
So your body is working so hard to take care of you.
I had never heard of that.
Yeah.
So it's not a matter of, you know, what we want to accept, do you know, it's we want to create order in your human universe.
That is what we want to do.
And we know that you are morbidly obese.
Your body is not in order.
We know that, okay?
Just like you talked about sleep.
not sleeping will create disorder, correct? Okay. Eating poorly, what was that movie long time ago? Super Size me. Okay, they did an experiment for just 30 days, all right? So, so I, you know, I love the fact that everybody wants to accept all these things, but it's not that is I want the very best for you and you want the very best for me. And that's what we should all want, as what is the very best for us. Okay. Now, I know people say, oh,
I have my own way of thinking about that. But again, we want to do what we know is going to create
the best version of yourself. Right, right. I saw that you posted that there's a study that
shows the increase in specifically colorectal cancer for young people, right, has just skyrocketed
in the last 10 to 20 years. It used to be that that was a type of cancer that was a
reserved for very old people.
Really, all types of cancer used to be more just an old person problem.
But that's becoming less and less true.
What do you make of that study?
Right.
Well, yeah, I did talk about that too because it's interesting.
So the guidelines for colorectal cancer is to get a colonoscopy when you're 50.
Well, now because of the increase in young people, 35 years of age, 40 years of age,
are getting cancer, they lowered it to 45. And I'm like, oh, well, you're going to miss all those people
less than 45. So, but if you look at what people do today, you know, they're not eating the right
foods. They're eating foods with lots of chemicals and toxins and seed oils. And, you know,
most of them are probably deficient in vitamins and minerals. And seed oils inflame the body,
make it harder to fight toxins. So it boils down to the,
a cell. Everything boils down to each cell. There's 50 trillion cells. So every cell has something
called a membrane. Okay. So the membrane has something called essential fatty acids. They're
called essential because you have to have them, omega-3, six and nines. And so that magical
membrane is made up of essential fatty acids and something called phosphatolene. And
phospholcoline is the cement and the bricks. The bricks are, I mean, the essential fatty acids
are the bricks and the fusatidyl coaling of cement. So everything happens on that. I call it the magical
membrane. There's over 30,000 receptor sites for everything to work, for all your hormones,
all your signaling to take place. And so if you have seed oils, it's gumming up that membrane.
Okay. And it just makes it harder for the body to function. Yes. And so it's interfering on a
cellular level, the functionality will cells make up organs and glands. So that's one of the reasons.
why we're seeing a higher number of these cases of cancers that used to just be in older people.
Right, because of, you know, what they're eating and then the ingestion, I think, of toxins.
And also, you know, I'll bring up something that most people don't even think about as parasites.
You know, parasites, all bugs can contribute to the scenario of cancer.
And so American doctors don't think you can have parasites.
And so because we have this clean, sterile society, right?
But of course not.
If you eat sushi, I remember years ago I went to a sushi cooking class.
And so they had the filets of meat on the table.
And so I asked the instructor, I said, oh, what is that lighter version on that fish over there?
After he had, you know, taken the skin off and made the filets, he goes, oh, that's parasites.
We just cut them off.
I went, oh, my gosh.
So parasites, you know, I was taught by the American Academy of Gastroenterologist.
He's the physician that lectures on parasites.
And so one day at dinner, 25 years ago, we were talking, he was telling me and teaching me how he diagnosed parasites.
And I'm like, wow, I'm not even addressing that in my practice.
Like, I need to learn this.
And so now I took what he taught me and now, you know, have gone down the, it's.
extreme way to diagnose and treat parasites. So it's something that, you know, again, is one of the
contributing causes to cancer. So, you know, cancer isn't just one disturbances. It's the perfect
storm that's creating this chaotic environment. You mentioned at the beginning, the Hippocratic
oath, which says first do no harm. It doesn't seem like that is the highest priority today in
most of the medical world. Would you agree with that? I would agree with that because doctors are
taught a very indoctrinated version of medicine. And so when you're taught in medical school,
you're taught, you know, how the body works, then the pharmacology that you use on the diagnosis
you're making, and then you may need surgery in some cases if it's a diseased organ. And
then, you know, you just follow the patient and wait until the next thing happens, right?
So there's no cancer, I mean cancer.
Patient care should be preventive, proactive, precise, and personalized.
Period. End of story.
And your day as a physician would be a lot easier if you just optimize patients.
Think how much easier a doctor's day and just think how much easier the patient's life is.
I know that I, 50% of the cancer patients I see are stage four.
Wow.
And a lot of them have already done everything.
Some of them come to me in the beginning.
Some of them come to me in the middle.
And of course, if anyone had their druthers, they would say, I'd do anything and everything to have prevented this in the first place, correct?
Of course.
And so I just, when I see these cases, and unfortunately, you know, when you're 30 and 30,
you don't think cancer's in your life.
Right.
Okay.
Because like we thought, I used to say, that people had a warranty until they're 40.
And then 40 to 60, you're on the semi-warranty plan, and then 60 up is pure repair,
upkeep, and maintenance.
But now I can't say that because I have so many young people who have not just cancer,
but they have Lyme disease.
They have pre-diabetes and diabetes is the majority of the population.
They say that 93% of people are metabolically unhealthy.
So that means their, you know, insulin and sugar is not good, all right?
And they have all of these autoimmune and all kinds of, you know, diseases.
And, you know, like how are you going to live life with that kind of compromise and challenge to the body?
Right.
And it's very stressful to be sick, right?
I know that my patients get scan anxiety.
They get, you know, I had a patient, their daughter had died from cancer, so she's like,
I don't want to do any conventional treatments.
Yeah.
So I see the entire realm, but they have a lot of PTSD from being diagnosed and from the system.
And then, like we talked about earlier, doctors don't have the time to really sit down,
discuss everything and then if a doctor has only in his toolkit conventional medical approach,
you know, they're not going to talk about, well, tell me how your stress is, Allie.
You know, let's talk about that, you know.
And so, which is stress, you know, some people say the stress is the number one killer, okay?
But, you know, how do you live your life every day?
let's tell me what you eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
How are you moving?
Do you work with chemicals all day?
You know, what is your job, you know?
Is your stress, you know, outrageously stressful?
You know, so, you know, the doctor doesn't have that time, you know.
But if you look at, if you just Google stress and cancer, it will, you'll have plenty to read.
But I've never met a patient where the doctor told the patient they need to change their eating.
and they need to address their stress.
I've never met a patient, okay?
Because I always ask the patient,
so what was your experience with,
with the doctor, what did they tell you,
what did they tell you your options are?
And which is, I always explained to patient,
all of their options of what they should do,
but I said you have to make the choice
with educated decision.
Right, right, wow.
So for someone listening to this,
they're like, okay, I want that.
I want a doctor who will,
listen to me who will talk to me, but they don't even know where to start. They don't live,
you know, where you do in California. They just don't know who to go to. Do you have a
recommendation for how they can move into the right direction and find someone who will test
for all these things? Well, first of all, I think everybody should start reading, you know,
get different books. Okay. I've written my books, but there's lots of good books out there,
Allie. That's number one. First of all, so they know even what maybe to look for. To look
for, right? And then try to find a functional integrative medical doctor. And I say medical
doctor because a medical doctor knows, okay, does Allie have something serious? Or is it something
that is not going to require, you know, a tremendous amount of research and investigation, right?
Because our job is to make sure that you don't have anything serious and wrong, all right? Whether it's
hypertension, high sugar, autoimmune diseases, or anything.
So there are more and more doctors now are opening their eyes.
I know that since COVID, I've had so many doctors contact me and say,
oh, my gosh, now I see.
And, you know, they've been awakened and enlightened.
Can you help me learn about X, Y, Z?
And so there's lots of education available out there.
I do a cancer conversation and everything else every two weeks online.
And because I want everyone to know what we know at our clinic, what we're doing,
and then try to find a functional integrative doctor, you know, go and interview the doctor
and see if it's someone that is compatible with you and can incorporate and collaborate and
collaborate with you to the best, you know, for what you need.
And like you said, you have to be knowledgeable before you can do that because you have to know what to ask them.
And I know you said there's lots of books, but you did write The Cancer Revolution, a groundbreaking program to reverse and prevent cancer and be perfectly healthy.
And I follow you on Instagram.
And I would say that's also a good place for people to start to follow you on Instagram, buy your books.
I know that that's not what you're saying that people have to do that.
But I want people to do that.
I'm encouraging people to do that.
And we have them, by the way.
These are two of your books, and I'm guessing you can get them wherever books are sold, right?
So they could start there.
Also, I just typed in just to see.
I just typed in a functional, integrative medical doctor near me.
And I had several pop up.
And, of course, I would have to look into them and see if they're what I'm looking for.
They also, you can go to IFM.org, that's Institute for Functionalmedicin.org.
and not every doctor that's listed may be the right fit for what you're looking for,
but that's at least a good place to start.
And I really go back to the beginning of your story.
I think something that to me sets you apart from a lot of doctors I know,
is you talked about when your patients would come in and they'd bring you studies,
and you would say, wow, I want to learn more about that.
I think every patient out there has had the experience with the doctor
where as soon as we bring up research, they roll their eyes.
Correct.
Like you didn't go to medical school.
You don't know what you're talking about.
I'm not even going to look at your research.
But I wish all doctors were like you and said, okay, the research is out there.
I want to know about it.
Right.
You're right.
Patients tell me that all the time.
The doctor doesn't want to listen at all.
But what doctor knows everything.
And there's 8 billion people.
Think about what we don't know, right?
And think about it.
I always tell patients that U.S. is 5%.
of the population, world population, 5%.
We use 66% of the world drugs.
That means what are all the other doctors around the world using to help people?
Wow, yeah.
Okay?
So we're just seeing our little perspective in the United States,
and the doctor in the United States is only seeing there.
What about all the doctors in Europe and China and, you know,
Germany, all the countries.
I mean, they are doing, I know because I work with doctors
all over the world. I love that I have those relationships. I had recently, the last three weeks,
I had a new doctor from Brazil reach out and said, oh, I want to, can I come and work with you for a
couple weeks? And that's what he did. I said, absolutely, come and visit. So I was talking to him
about the medical care in Brazil compared to USA. And so they have functional medicine, for example,
in Brazil. But you want, going back to your question is, how would you find? You want a doctor who really
knows how to do all of it. Not someone who just specializes in autoimmune or thyroid, because,
you know, you don't go to a car dealership and say, you know, I just want the wheels. Right. So you want
someone who can look at you holistic. Because it's all connected. Yeah, it's all connected. And so,
you know, just treating part of you. And I'm not saying those doctors aren't good, but we also need to
look at every single thing that's going on with you.
Down to the cellular level, right?
Yes, exactly.
So, you know, doctors have to go back to school, and they say they don't have time and energy.
And if you're a young doctor, you have school loans to pay back.
And so you're just trying to survive.
You're married, maybe you have a couple of kids.
You're just going to, you know, be, you know, trying to get through the day, much less learn.
But what I find, I, one of my friends, he's an acquaintance because he now is into functional
Integrative Medicine, and he just wrote a book. And I said, how did you get into this? He goes,
I had four chronic diseases. And so that's how doctors are changing things. Okay. It's not enough yet.
And there's a lot of, I believe, cognitive dissonance, like you said, the doctors don't, like,
you may be giving me something vital that I need to know. I can't discount it. Right. Right. I could
spend a minute in a minute you can get quite a bit of information and so my patients bring in oh
yesterday i had a patient who came in he was the chief um marketing officer for a nutraceutical company
he brought in 20 pages of every cancer mechanism and what natural thing worked on it so i'm like
okay this guy really knows i said you've done an amazing job so you can't because that and those are
scientific studies, you know, that have been done. For example, on curcumin or broccoli extract or
vitamin C or epigenin that's made in celery. So there are, you know, there are, if a doctor went and
just looked up a clinical study, he or she would find it. Right. I always think I'm not going to
find it. And sure enough, I'm like, oh, wow, look at this. It's right here. That's there. You know how
lycopene from tomatoes fights cancer, right? Yeah. Yeah. And for you, getting out of
the whole insurance scheme kind of also gave you a little bit more margin to be able to study.
Because like you said, so many doctors feel like they're just getting by because they have
to spend so much time on the insurance stuff, which is probably why they're also not studying.
So it's like a whole system-wide structural issue that we have.
We're in a big conundrum.
And a lot of doctors see this, feel it, and know it.
Yeah, which is why, as you said, the best thing that we can do right now is to,
become scientists ourselves and to become advocates and researchers and interviewers and preventers
when it comes to our health. And so thank you for the part that you've played and helping us do that
and for advocating on our behalf. I really appreciate it. I do encourage everyone to follow her on
Instagram. It's been helpful to me. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
