Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1028 | Who Will Replace Joe Biden? | Guest: Ron Simmons

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

Today, we sit down with Allie's dad, Ron Simmons, to discuss last week's Trump-Biden debate and recent Supreme Court decisions. How did Donald Trump and Joe Biden perform in the debate, and how did they compare? What should conservatives make of Donald Trump's disappointing comments on abortion? Will Joe Biden be the nominee? And what should conservatives make of the Supreme Court rulings on Trump and homelessness? Get your tickets for Share the Arrows: https://www.sharethearrows.com/ --- Timecodes: (00:45) Announcements (01:23) Best debate memes (03:45) Initial thoughts (11:50) Debate topic: abortion (17:30) Trump’s performance & zinger (23:40) Jan 6 (27:58) Trump’s convictions (30:00) Charlottesville lies (31:55) Golf argument (33:38) CNN fact checks (37:55) Reactions to debate & will Biden drop out? (46:01) Jill Biden (51:56) How would Biden be removed? (58:55) SCOTUS decisions (1:16:44) What to watch before the election --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — Change the way you buy meat today at GoodRanchers.com with code ALLIE to claim your $100 off and free smoked brats for a year.  Get free shipping on all your orders and make this Independence Day one to remember.  Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code ALLIE50 for $50 off your order of $100+ at carlyjeanlosangeles.com. We Heart Nutrition — nourish your body with research-backed ingredients in your vitamins at WeHeartNutrition.com and use promo code ALLIE for 20% off. --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 1024 | First Presidential Debate, 10 Commandments in Schools https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1024-first-presidential-debate-10-commandments-in/id1359249098?i=1000660095212 Ep 1012 | Trump Verdict: Everything You Need to Know https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1012-trump-verdict-everything-you-need-to-know/id1359249098?i=1000657716491 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

We are finally covering Thursday night's presidential debate. My, oh my. We've got a lot to talk about. Also, win after win at the Supreme Court here today to analyze and react to all of this is, of course, my dad, Ron Simmons. We've got so much to get into today on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Allie.

Check out that's good ranchers.com. Code Allie. Okay. Before we get into it with my dad, just a couple housekeeping things. things. We will not have an episode on July 4th. July 4th is this Thursday. Woohoo. I hope that you have an awesome day with your families. That is why this episode is so long today. We had so much ground to cover. I've only got three episodes this week. We had to get into as much politics as we could today so we could cover some other things tomorrow and Wednesday. And then next week. Next week,

I am going to be out. We're taking a little bit of a break. We will have two replay episodes next week Monday and Tuesday. We'll have a new episode on Wednesday and Thursday next week, but we're just taking a little bit of a break. So just FYI on that. Okay, before we get into the serious stuff, you guys have probably seen a lot of my analysis of the debate already. Can I just like, for those of you who watched it, I just want to go through some of my favorite memes really fast before we get into it with my dad. It was a crazy night, y'all. It was crazy. But as Elon Musk said on acts. Tonight was a clear victory for memes. And I know that we're making light of this. It's a sad thing. It is a sad thing as we'll talk about in just a second. But we have to laugh so we

don't cry, right? I think we do. We can have sympathy for the man Joe Biden and still just say, oh my gosh, I can't believe we're in this state. This tweet by Joe List comedy, they have Biden's goal for the night written in the lower corner. And it says live. And what he means by that is live. We just want him to live. live. I saw this post by Cody. I like both candidates, but I really think we need somebody older. And then I saw another one that was like, I love both of them. Please don't ask me to choose. This one cracked me up. I don't know this person, Seamus. CNN two hours ago, Biden is a strong candidate. He rarely has a sutter. CNN right now after the debate. Is it time to take the president to the V-E-T-D-O-W-N?

in so sad. Kristen says, don't watch the debates if you're one of those people who gets really sad when you see an elderly person eating soup alone at a restaurant. And this, this might freak you out to hear me read this, but you'll understand why Russell Brand said this in just a second when we get to Biden talking about this. We're 17 minutes in, Russell Brand says, and Joe Biden is discussing the problem of people being raped by their brothers and sisters, which is quite an extraordinary yet niche topic to discuss. So if that is any indication of how the debate went, man, if you didn't watch it,

you are in for something today. All right. That's it. That's the preamble. Now, here's my now. All right, Dad, thanks so much for joining us again. We are talking about last Thursday's debate. I got to talk about it on Instagram. Haven't talked about it on the show yet. So we're going to hit the highlights and we're going to go through some of the insight that you're you have that others have had and we're going to talk about the Supreme court cases too. First, I just want to get your initial reaction. Most people watching this, watch the debate. Maybe they saw what I said about it on social media. But what was your take when you were watching this? My main take honestly was sadness. It was a sad night for America because of what our current

president was unable to do. And that is to basically, other than his personal jabs at the former president, he was unable to articulate anything, anything. And it made me feel sad for what this country has elected in the leadership that we're under right now. It is a disaster. Yeah. You know, I was surprised when I first heard Biden start talking. I was surprised at how tired he sounded out the gate. When I think back to, for example, the state of the union,

he started out pretty strong, as strong as he could anyway. And then he started kind of getting tongue tied towards the end of his speech. And that's kind of what I thought would happen here. And I thought that would serve him well because a lot of people maybe were only going to tune in for the first 20 or so minutes. But right out the gate, he sounded really tired. He sounded really hoarse. He sounded really confused. And I don't know how you watch that without feeling somewhat sad.

But I'll tell you, Trump looked and sounded about 15 to 20 years younger than him, even though I think he's only two years younger than him. Well, interestingly, a couple of things I thought were kind of interesting right off the bat. And that is, first of all, they did many, many more close up shots of Trump when he wasn't speaking. than they did Biden. Even though when they did the split screen of Biden, he looked pretty bad. The other thing that I noticed, and I wonder if you noticed this, is that Dana Bash wore all white, which if you remember the Democrat,

progressive ladies in the House wore all white as kind of a protest thing to some state of the union and other things. So I wonder if she was making her protest, you know, because she's obviously very anti-Trump and all that. But I thought that was really interesting. You can go back and look and see where AOC and some first squad people were all white. So I wonder if that was kind of a shout out to that. But within the first sentence that he said, when Tapper really asked him a tough question right off the bat related to the economy.

And, you know, he said crazy things like we created 15,000 jobs. Well, I know he didn't mean that. But come on, right out of the bat, you're going to make that type of mistake. and it just went downhill from there. Yeah, it really did. You know, I actually thought, and this was something we talked about last Monday when we covered the fact that the debate was going to happen, that Tapper and Bash were going to be very obviously biased because, like you said, they are very blatantly anti-Trump. That's not something that we're just deducing based on the fact that they work at CNN.

They have been very blatant about their anti-Trump bias, and I thought they did a good job. the questions were pretty straight forward. I thought that they were tough on both candidates, even President Biden. And there wasn't a lot of back and forth. Some people didn't like that. They wanted them to fact-check them in real time. That would have been like a five-hour ordeal. I thought that Tapper and Bash did a good, unbiased job even better than some Fox News debates that I've seen. I liked it. Now, I thought they were pretty good. Now, I do think, that they they when Biden would get really really off track they would kind of go in and say well thank you president Biden now you've got 38 more seconds basically saying hey you screw that one up

I'm giving you 30 seconds to fix it because he never picked up on it he never understood what they were doing unfortunately and I will commend both of them for just sticking to the questions too that was and I thought the questions were very good they the only thing is they didn't ask Biden about Hunter, okay, or any of his controversies, but they certainly honed in on Trump. Right. Yeah, that's true. That's true. So just a little more about this and we'll get into the specific clips that most people were talking about that night. So this was the first time that either man had debated since 2020. They clashed over things like abortion, immigration, foreign policy, inflation and more.

Most notable to both parties was Biden's age problem. Both parties, meaning the right and the left Republicans and Democrats, after the fact, everyone was talking about Biden's age because it was so obvious. And on the issues, Biden just really wasn't able to defend himself very well. He misspoke several times, as you said, mixing up not just 15,000 and 15,000. and $15 million, but mixing up million, trillion, billion. He was very confused. And when he was trying to talk about his economic accomplishments,

the accomplishments that he's made with Medicare, here's what he was able to muster. This is sought one from the CNN presidential debate. We're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with. Look, if we finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden, President Trump. He was right.

He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death. That was a good response by Trump. Jeez. I know. It's hard to watch. What a disaster. What a word salad.

We thought Kamala Harris had word salads. That was just. and then he got off. Yeah, he was talking about one thing and then moved to another. And, of course, he did the same thing later related to immigration. Yes, yes, he did. And that was when, I mean, I just had such a hard time. It reminded me of, you know, grandma in her later years, of course, she was dealing with epilepsy and things like that and on so many medications.

And you could just tell those last few years and last few months of her life. I'm not saying that President Biden is about to croak. But, you know, it reminded me of that speech. And she didn't have dementia or Parkinson's or anything like that. Some people are saying that's what Biden looks like. It was just old age and clearly losing your faculties. It's just really hard to recall things quickly, to verbalize things quickly. I saw a comparison.

I don't know if we don't have the comparison. It was Russell Brand who posted this, a comparison of 2019 Biden debating and 2024. for Biden debating, it's remarkable the difference, how he was able to hold his own. Now his entire look is so confused and so concerned all the time. Yeah. And then, of course, it topped it off when the cameras kept rolling, showing Jill come and taking him off the stage, which was like, again, it really was like you were helping, you know, your grandfather, great-grandfather that was in the final stages.

again, we don't hope that on anybody, but that's sure what it looked like. And it's certainly not a place for someone that's the most powerful person in the world to occupy. And as I talked about on X, the night of debate, I think it's elder abuse to the ultimate. And Mrs. Biden ought to be ashamed of herself. And we'll get into her role in all of this because apparently she is the person that is pushing him to stay in the race. So we'll get to. some of the other issues. Let's look at abortion. Now, on abortion, both of them believe in the legality of abortion to a certain extent. That's something that I really disagree with. Of course, Biden is more pro-abortion than Trump is. And here is Trump's take on that. This is sought two from

the CNN presidential debate. We have to say that, by the way. I have to say CNN presidential debate every time I introduce the clip. That is a role. So I'm not trying to be a broken record, but here it is. I believe in the exceptions for rape incest and the life of the mother. I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get elected also because that has to do with other things. You've got to get elected. I mean, I think it's silly, follow your heart, follow your heart. I don't even know what that means, but Biden essentially said right after that, that, yeah, he does believe in the legality of abortion through all nine, months for certain reasons. That is the platform of his party right now. Yeah. And he didn't even really

even when, even when Trump talked about taking the, you know, after the baby's born, he didn't have a good response for that either. He said that's not true, which we know it's true. And Trump just nailed him because the former Virginia governor talked about that. And he just did not have a good response on that. I think Trump probably handled it as best as he could based on his beliefs and kind of what he's hearing from some of his advisors. You and I disagree with that, obviously, but he probably handled that the best he could. Here is Biden's response,

his description of why abortion through all nine months is necessary, sought three from the CNN presidential debate. Look, there's so many young women who have been, including a young woman who just was murdered, and he went to the funeral. and the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming in to talk about that. But here's the deal. There's a lot of young women to be raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters.

It's just ridiculous. And they can do nothing about it. And they try to arrest them on across state lines. Thank you. Okay, I have no idea. This was simultaneously talking about illegal immigration and abortion at the same time. Abortion for Democrats, it's sad, but it's their home run issue. It is the issue in which they can fearmonger. They can get a bunch of women believing that restricting abortion is going

to stop the access to miscarriage care. So that could have been a home run. And somehow he brought it back to illegal immigration, which is the home run issue for Republicans and Donald Trump. Yeah. And he basically said, you know, it's not that bad that an illegal immigrant. did it because brothers and sisters are doing it all I mean it's just it was like it's just totally crazy what are you saying right and you know I will give Trump credit now probably if the microphones weren't shut off he wouldn't have done this but you know when your opponent is digging their own grave metaphorically speaking just let them keep digging exactly you just and the fact that they muted the mics was such an advantage to Trump and they didn't think it was going to be right yes yes

Remember, this whole debate was basically set up by President Biden's team. They're the ones that wanted the early debate. There's the one that negotiated. Why? Can we pause there? Why? Why did they want the early debate? This is the earliest that a presidential debate has ever been. It's before the convention.

Why is it so early? Because that they felt like that would put the nail in the coffin of Trump and that Biden would be able to, you know, just be able to tout his policies and all that type of stuff, which is crazy because most of his policies aren't. weren't popular with even the majority of people, right? And so I just, it just ended up being a bad move. Or, or now cynically, it was because that hit the people around him and other Democrats know that we need to expose him so we can change him out. Now, yeah, we're going to get into that. It could also be maybe less cynically, but maybe somewhere in between, that they know that every

month he's getting worse and worse. The earlier it is, the better the better he'll do. No, I, last Monday when we talked about this, I said that cutting the mics off is definitely going to benefit Trump because that was, and it's crazy that the Biden team didn't realize this. That was the nail on the coffin for Trump last time. When he was talking over Biden, bullying Biden, he was probably absolutely correct in everything that he was saying, but it didn't come across very well. It actually made Biden look like this sympathetic mature figure. And so I knew that was going to benefit Trump. But even with that, Trump was self-controlled. He was sympathetic. I'm not saying Trump is a related bro, but we are on the same page because last week I said he needs

to look at Biden sympathetically, just kind of nod his head. It needs to look like he kind of feels bad for Biden in the state that he's in, but don't say, don't say anything. You don't need to highlight it. You don't need to bully. And for the most part, he did that. What do you think about his, his restraint? No, I thought it was good. And I thought even his response when he made that comment of, I'm not sure what he said in the last part of that. And I'm not even sure he knows. I don't, I know he was being a little bit sarcastic, but the tone was almost sympathetic. Yes. And I thought he did a good job. Now, do I wish his nonverbal was better?

I mean, he frowns all the time. I mean, I don't like any of that. But it was pretty restraining. He didn't even mouth, you know, responses as Biden would mouth responses when he was saying something. And I thought Biden's personal attacks were so, so petty. Just it was awful. Yeah. Well, this is the first Trump zinger.

And I know you and I went back and forth on this on X at the time. They're talking about immigration, which of course is going to be Trump's best issue. Biden erroneously said that the Border Patrol endorsed him in his policy positions. Border Patrol, the union was very quickly to post on X. We have never endorsed Biden. We will never endorse Biden. And so he's trying to justify and explain his position. And then Trump comes in with his retort.

here is sought four from the CNN presidential debate. Moving until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers. President Trump? I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Look. Oh, man.

I actually, I wasn't mad at Trump for saying that. I kind of thought, okay, that was almost, I think he was literally saying, I don't know how to respond to that because I don't even know what he said. But, but, but everybody else already understood that. Yeah. It doesn't help you on that. Now, I don't, I still don't know what his last word that Biden said in that sentence.

Was he trying to say asylum or what was, I just couldn't understand it. I don't know. And I think that Trump is right. Maybe you're right. He shouldn't have said that. He didn't need to say it. But that, I think that sentence almost summarizes the entire. debate. I don't know what he said. I don't think that he knows what he said either. On foreign

policy. Would you go ahead? Go ahead. No, I just, would you like to have been a fly on the wall in the MSNBC rooms back there when they're getting ready to go on for a show like with Rachel Maddow and all that just would. I'm going to put up some pictures. I don't think that we have them. We'll put them up in in the editing process. But I saw that the Associated Press that a photographer was Let's see. I don't remember which part of the country they were in, but their photographers took pictures of Americans in different parts of the country just watching it at bars and, you know, different conference rooms, things like that. And literally every picture is just, you know, your average American going like this, like this. And we don't know what part they're reacting to, but I think that was just, it was just face palm. That was the general reaction. I imagine that was the same thing going on at CNN and MSNBC. So Biden made. a lot of false claims about the economy, about his response to COVID. We know that more than half of the COVID deaths have actually happened under Biden's presidency. And yet you'll notice that on CNN and MSNBC, they don't have that little ticker of people dying like they did when Trump was

president. So cynical. But then on foreign policy, he claimed really close to the beginning of the debate that he is the only president of the 20th century who has had no American troops dead since he's been president. Has he already forgotten about what happened in the Afghanistan withdrawal when 13 U.S. service members were killed because of that whole disastrous debacle? Well, on this one, I don't think he has forgotten.

I think that what the Biden has done throughout his life and a lot of Democrats do is they just lie and they double down on that and they think if they continue to lie. And Hillary Clinton was probably the best at this. They continue to lie that eventually, it becomes believable by a good portion of the American public. And I think that's exactly what happened.

He knows good and well those 13 people passed away. And he knows that was on his watch. And it was, as Trump, I thought, landed very good on that, is that that was a total disaster for our country. Yeah, yeah. And three U.S. service members were killed in Jordan just five months ago. And, you know, that is something that Joe Biden has done. really his entire career. So you're right. I don't think that we can say that it's because of his

senility, but he said weird stories and weird things. Like, oh, he graduated at the top of his class when in reality, I'm pretty sure he graduated the bottom three of his class. Like, he has repeatedly either hyperboized or completely just like fabricated his credentials and things that have happened for a long time. They went through January 6th and this again was going to be a home run for for Democrats. But if you look at the polling on this kind of threat to democracy subject, 44% said apparently that Trump would do a better job at protecting democracy compared to just 33% who believe that Biden would do a better job at, quote, unquote,

protecting democracy. That is not good for Democrats because that is like the thing that they are running. on. Yeah, I think the January 6th thing has sailed. I know we're going to talk about this later, especially with the Supreme Court decision today. I think that ship has sailed and that people have made up their mind on that, whatever that is. I do think that Trump could have said relating some of the January 6 activities and the government's response to those protesters to the protesters that we saw out in Portland and Seattle and stuff. He talked about it just a little bit,

but not quite as sharp as I thought he should have. Yeah, I know. And like I have been not in that position, but in discussions, debates, disagreements, or even interviews where afterwards they'll say, why didn't I say that? It was so obvious, but you're thinking about a million different things.

But you're right. That's a really good point that no one really highlighted, and I don't think they were even asked about that. by the way, that poll was from the Washington Post. Okay, so that's not some, you know, Fox News poll or conservative poll, according to Washington Post poll, 44% compared to 33% think that Trump would protect democracy better. And I think that's because with his false and his flaws, even from a left-wing perspective, people want someone who is competent. Can you complete a sentence? Are you thinking clearly?

I think a lot of people feel very destabilized, vulnerable, and scared right now. Just looking at Joe Biden and wondering, wait a second, who was running the show and making the decisions if it's not him? Don't you think? Well, it reminds us a lot of Woodrow Wilson. And you remember in his second term, he had a debilitating stroke. And basically his wife ran the show. Now, I don't think that's exactly happening here because I don't. I think the unelected bureaucrats around him are at least shaping it.

Now, she may have some final input on it, but it's it's the Manchurian candidate to the extreme. Right, right. I know. And that's scary. And again, we're going to talk a little bit more about Jill Biden, her role and all of this in a second. I thought that they would touch more on Trump being a convicted felon because I've heard a lot of this from Democrat strategist that we need to that over and over again that he's a convicted felon. Biden did bring this up once. And then Trump said when he talks about a convicted felon, his son is a convicted felon. It should have been

before, but his Justice Department let the statute of limitations lapse. You know, I'm not sure if the Hunter Biden direction is really landing with a lot of voters. What do you think? I don't think either one of those are landing, honestly. I think that people, believe that the even though Trump is convicted, I think even Democrats would, if they would be honest, would know that that was politically motivated. Doesn't mean some of the stuff wasn't true, but it was definitely politically motivated, which is exactly what our founders did not want to happen. Because that's what happens over in places like England back in the day and other places is that they use their power to silence their political opponents. I mean, you don't

to look further than Vladimir Putin, right? How many people has he poisoned already that were his opponents? And I'm sure it happens in other countries as well. The Hunter Biden thing, I think the bigger picture that it shows, not him directly, but the bigger picture of the Biden family and how they operate, I think resonates with some people. But honestly, I agree with you that most people are just kind of tired of all that stuff. And let's really focus on the why my grocery prices are higher and my might cause more to fill up my my car and things like that. Yeah, yeah. You know, and honestly, the Biden administration, his campaign kind of plays that well,

sympathetic, love between father and son. Now, I agree, that's a cover for something, I think, really corrupt that's going on there. But for most people, that resonates. Oh, yeah, I have a wayward son. I have a prodigal son, and I would do anything for them, too. That's the play, and that kind of works. Okay, Charlottesville, Biden brought this up, the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville way back in 2017. Biden claims, I think this is totally false, and Trump called him on this.

And proven false. Yes. Well, Biden said, oh, I decided I was going to run after the Unite the Right rally. And when you said there were very fine people on both sides. And Trump was like, that is not when you decided to run. Like, let's just be real here. And Snopes, who has not known for being conservative at all, very recently, I don't even know why, but very recently released their fact check on this. And it says, no, Trump did not call neo-Nazis and white supremacists very fine people.

That quote has been taken out of context. That is not what he said. That is not what was meant. But Biden thought that that was going to be, I don't know, that was going to be helpful for him. Yeah, he thought he was going to nail that. And again, the way he delivered it didn't come across as well either. But, you know, that quote, just so people know, that quote was the original protest and disagreement was related to the removal of Confederate general statutes. And Trump was saying that people that want them removed and people that don't want them removed, both of those, there are good people on both of those sides.

He wasn't talking about the neo-Nazis that bust themselves in or however they got there. swastikas and stuff. And that's, and that is true. Not everybody that wanted the, the statutes to stay were bad people. Right. Exactly. And they were not the ones, you know, yelling blood and soil with the swastikas and the teaky torches.

So that's what he was talking about because there is a legitimate argument, of course, for keeping these historical artifacts up and not, uh, tearing them down. All right. I have to say my favorite part of the debate, my favorite part of the debate was, I mean, kind of tongue in cheek, was when they got into it about their golf game.

I don't even know how this got brought up. I'll get your reaction after we play SOT 5 from the CNN presidential debate. Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him. The reason I got my handicap, which when I was vice president, down to a six. And by the way, I told you before, I'm happy to play golf if you carry your own bag. think you can do it. That's the biggest lie. He's a six handicap of all. I was eight handicapped.

Yeah. Eight? But I have, you know, how many? I've seen your swing. I know you swing. Let's not act like children. President Trump, we're going to do. Let's not act like children.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. And Biden says right after that, you are a child. Oh, my gosh. That was, I, it gets me, it cracks me up every time Trump leaning over like that. Like, I can't. leave he just said he was a six handicapped. What do you think, Dad? Do you think Biden is a six or eight handicap? No, no way. And first of all, how did he go from a six to an eight and in ten

seconds? That's what I don't know. His golf came to tier eight that quickly. Who knows? Who knows what he may have been at some time? But also tells that if he got to a six when he was vice president, what was that tell you? He wasn't doing anything for the American people. How stupid would you be to say something like that? When I was vice president, number two, you know, behind the most powerful person in the world, I've really worked on my golf game is what I did. Yeah. And then the fact when Trump said, I did think that Trump, that was a pretty smart movement as far as I said, hey, let's don't act like children. And then Biden turns around just like a child. It says, I'm not a child, you're a child. You know, it's just stupid. Yeah. Now, Trump did start off by saying,

so this is the context of that. Trump was asked about his age and mental fitness, and he was giving an example of that. Now, some people might think that this is a silly answer, But I think it's legit. He said it's not even senior, oh, he said that he just won two golf club championships. And he said, it's not even senior two regular club championships. To do that, you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way. And I do it. He doesn't do it.

He can't hit a ball 50 yards. He challenged me to a golf match. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. That's how it started. That's what. And then buying it. So maybe it was. American public needs, right?

Yeah, yeah. And we needed to say, actually, Trump, you started it. But I found that very funny. Helpful, no, but comedic relief. Yes. All right. So CNN actually fact-checked both of them after. Said Biden did lie on, you know, about several things about the troops that died in Afghanistan.

He said that he put a $15 per shot cap on insulin in Medicare. it's really a $35 cap, but it was actually Trump who made insulin a lot more affordable. He lied about other things about Medicare. It is not true. CNN says that when Biden says the border now has fewer crossings than when Trump was in office, of course that's not true.

We're at record highs. Unemployment was at 15%. Biden said when he took office, in reality, it was at 6.4%. He said that Trump wants to get rid of Social Security. Trump doesn't want to do that. He says that billionaires now pay 8.2% in taxes. CNN said it is much higher than that.

He said that Trump told Americans to inject some bleach during the COVID crisis. CNN even says that is not what Trump said. And then as we've already said, they fact-checked Biden's assertion that Border Patrol had endorsed him when, of course, that is not true. So even CNN is coming out and saying, yeah, okay, both candidates, they say lied on some things. But, you know, Biden did too. And yet I'm seeing people like Mark Cuban and other Democrats saying, well, you know, Biden may have seemed old, but at least he told the truth. No, he didn't. No, no.

I mean, it didn't even come close to telling the truth on the majority of everything that he said. But again, it goes back to he knows he can do that. and be supported and and probably a surprise that CNN even fact-checked him. And so that probably took them as a surprise. But I haven't, I've heard nobody else talk about that, right? Yeah. That's just another, you know, it's just another thing that we have to fight against as conservatives. Okay.

Let's get into some of the reaction about it before we get into the Supreme Court cases because the reaction was pretty incredible, at least to me. So this is from Frank Lutz. He's part of focus groups, and so he gets focus group data concerning campaigns elections. He says, after the first commercial break, I asked my focus group of undecided voters, how many of them are more convinced to vote for Joe Biden? Zero raised their hands. Half of them say they voted for Biden in 2020.

After the second commercial break, I asked my focus group of undecided voters, how many are more convinced to vote for Donald Trump? 10 of 14 raised their hands, even if they didn't like Donald Trump. Trump once said, I don't even know if Biden can make it to November. These are people who like Biden, many of them. And Chuck Todd on NBC said Biden looks like the caricature that conservative media has been painting. You saw it before your eyes. And then we've got this reaction from a CNN panel. This is SOT six. Good minutes into the debate and it continues right now. It involves party strategists. It involves elected

officials it involves fundraisers and they're having conversations about the president's performance which they think was dismal which they think will hurt other people down the party in the ticket and they're having conversations about what they should do about it some of those conversations include should we go to the white house and ask the president step aside others are other the conversations are about should prominent democrats go public okay i'm going to play one more clip before i get your reaction to that here's seven um that was painful uh i love joe biden i work Joe Biden. He didn't do well at all. He did not do well at all. He loves his country. He's doing the best that he can. But he had a test to meet tonight to restore confidence of the country and of the

base. And he failed to do that. And I think there's a lot of people who are going to want to see him consider taking a different course now. There is time for this party to figure out a different way forward if you will allow us to do that. Wow. Were you surprised, I don't know if you're watching CNN. I was watching CNN after the debate, but were you surprised to hear things like this this quickly? Yes, I was surprised. I thought they would try to do more cover than they really did, but at least they saw the same thing that we saw and they were, you know, they were rightfully mortified of it. And here's what I think's happening, Allie. First of all, I think from what I understand, President Obama met with Biden on Friday.

So I do think there is a move to figure out how to replace him on the ticket. Now, whether or not that will be successful, I don't know. But it could be kind of like the LBJ thing where, you know, hey, it's for my health reasons and yada, yada, yada, and do that type of thing and remove. Joe Biden will be the main force standing in the way of that. But I do think that is out there and it could happen. Most states, the challenge that they have is there are some states like Georgia, for example, that says you can't remove somebody from the ticket after July the 9th. And most states are late August.

Even if the convention hasn't happened yet because the DNC convention is in August. Okay. Doesn't matter. Yeah. The states, the states set that their own. Remember, these are. 50 state elections, not a national election. Now, there will be lawsuits related to that, and I imagine the courts would be sympathetic to allowing that to be changed. Most states, though,

were late August, early September. So there's certainly a way at the convention that they could do it. He would have to release his delegates. Now, the other interesting thing about this, Alley, is that people think Kamala Harris would automatically be elevated to the top spot, but it doesn't work like that. Everybody's equal if he backs out. Now, the only advantage she has is because they're running on the same ticket, she has access to all of his campaign funds. She has the- She does, yes, because it's the Biden-Harris ticket. So that gives her a huge fundraising advantage. And not so much to get her appointed, but people look at that and say, well, she's got the most money to spend, Gavin Newsom or the lady in Michigan would have to raise all their money, right?

Right. And yeah, we can go ahead and talk about some of that. I can talk a little bit more about what the reactions were on MSNBC and some more on CNN in a second. But, you know, there are a lot of guesses because they saw these responses of ardent Joe Biden and Democrat defenders saying, I don't think that he can beat Trump. And I think really what they want more than anything is to prevent a Trump presidency. Of course, we know that. They are absolutely panicked by that idea. So if it means throwing grandpa under the bus, like I think a lot of people are ready to do it. So there are a lot of conversations in conservative circles of who that would be. Would it be? Some people, they guess Michelle Obama. They guess Gavin Newsome. They guess Whitmer. I've even seen,

I think, Andy Bashir, there are a lot of options out there. I personally, I think Kamala would lose to Trump. I think Gavin Newsom would lose to Trump. He looks and sounds like a villain. His track record in California is absolutely abysmal. Gretchen Whitmer could do better. She is a pretty and younger contrast to Trump. People might think that's superficial.

But as we saw on Thursday night, contrast matter. Appearance is matter. But she's unpopular in her state. And then I think Andy Bashir is actually a pretty popular Democrat governor, believe it or not. So, yeah, I don't. And I don't think Michelle Obama is interested. So I don't know who it's going to be.

I think that Democrats are better off if they replace him going with someone that few people have heard about yet. It could be that. Again, I still think that Biden, if you had to take a bet, I would still bet that Biden stays on the ticket. Yeah. I also think that what's happening, now this is my opinion. I don't have any facts to back this up. So take it for what it's worth. is knowing what the Biden family does and how they use their name for power and money,

and I think that is pretty evident, is that I think another thing that's going on behind the scenes is that they're saying, okay, if he does get out, I need to be paid to get out. And there's a lot of ways they can do that. We know that that are perfectly at least inside the line of the law. Yeah. And I think that's the way the Biden family, I think that's the way they work. So if he gets out, you can look for that to happen.

But I think the Democrats, they don't know any more than you and I do right now of who it would be. It's a quandary. You can bet they're doing a lot of polling. Right. Do a lot of focus group testing and all that. And it'll have to be people that appeal to the swing states. That's what you can bet on. That's why, in my opinion, it won't be Gavin Newsom.

Right. I totally agree. There's so many conservatives saying that. I do not think it's going to be him at all. But I also think you're right. I think that they're going to stick with Biden. According to the New York Times, Biden's family tells him to keep fighting as they huddle at Camp David. Reports this morning that I'm seeing circulated on X say that Hunter Biden and Jill Biden are the two that are most adamant about him staying in the race. And I think you're right. I think it has to do with power. I think it has to do with the prestige and the influence and the immunity in a lot of ways that it carries when you have. someone powerful in charge. And I really hadn't thought too much about the influence of Jill Biden until more recently. But she really is taking center stage.

I saw this morning that her new Vogue cover where she is saying, we're going to stay in the fight for the future. I mean, it seems to me like she's kind of, she's kind of in charge. And, you know, she really kind of treats him like a, like a child. Here's a eight. Oh, yeah. Joe, you did such a great job. You answered every question.

You knew all the best. Dad, this is how I talk to my children. I say, you did such a great job. You listened. And you did it the first time. Good job. That's how I talk to my three and four year olds, dad. I know.

And, and, and he. stood there less attentive than your three and four year olds. I guarantee he was trying to think, what is her name? What is her? No, that's, that's a joke. I don't know. But, but you know what I'm saying? I mean, even in that clip, he looked like he was in a fog. He just, oh, it's just, again, it's sad. It's elder abuse. I'm just telling you, that lady, I don't know her personally, of course, but what she is doing is just not right for her family, for her husband, and for America. Yeah, I see reports over and over again that she's just not ready to leave. We'll put up this picture because he did have a rally in North Carolina the next day

where I will say his performance at the North Carolina rally was better for sure than his performance at the debate. But you see this picture that she is standing up at the podium and he's behind her looking more confused than ever. His mouth is agape. He has so much consternation. his eyebrows are knitted together and so he looks very, very confused. Let me get into some more reactions about this. So we already covered Jill Hunter,

want him to stay in the race for a variety of reasons. Then you've got Barack Obama. Barack Obama tweeted this a couple days ago. He said bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. He's referencing, I guess, the infamous debate against Mitt Romney where he performed badly. Of course, he ended up winning that election.

But he says, but this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself between someone who tells the truth. That's not true. Who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night didn't change that. And it's why so much is at stake in November, Joe Biden.com. what happened to former president staying out of politics like that yeah you know that ended with the bush family you know they're the last ones trump's done it too of course but that's pretty unpresidential on obama's part and um disappointed in him at that he know hey he may be saying that

up front but i guarantee you behind the scenes he's talking to a lot of big time donors and stuff that are like uh-uh yeah something's got to give here well okay so this is what Tucker carlson said this morning. And of course, I can't personally validate this. But from an unusually good source, Obama's tweet supporting Joe Biden was disingenuous. In private, he says Obama is telling people Biden can't win. And he is therefore in favor of an open convention. Obama will not say whom he supports, nor as of yesterday afternoon had he met personally with Biden to deliver the message, relations between the Obamas and the Bidens have never been warm. That's interesting. At times, been hostile, but recently they've deteriorated further, mostly due to Jill Biden.

In the hours and days after the debate, she kept her husband cloistered away from anyone who might convince him to drop out. Jill Biden is the driving force behind her husband's re-election campaign just as she was in 2020, when other members of the family, including Biden's sister Val, considered him too impaired to run. The next generation of potential Democratic candidates understands all of this as an opportunity. and they're circling, particularly Gretchen Whitmer, who is promoting herself aggressively. What's your take on that? I think most of that's probably true.

Now, again, some of that speculation on his part. I think the part about Obama, I've heard that from more than one source, that he is privately, has even privately spoken with the president about some of these issues. the other stuff I think is likely true, although it's speculation. We're not in those meetings with the family and what have you. But I, you know, I just, I think the wagons are saying, you know, politics is a blood sport. There's no question. So they're 100% believe that the next contenders on the Democrat side are circling,

just like they would be if this was a Republican. Okay. That's so different on either side for that. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, Whitmer, she was a COVID tyrant. She is aggressively pro-abortion. Unfortunately, those two things are seen as positives on the Democrat side. So it could be her.

I'm not so sure, though. I'm not so sure, though, because I don't know if she has that appeal to the swing states. Go ahead. Yeah, and I just read today where she evidently has told Biden that Michigan is currently unwinnable. Oh, yeah. And I forgot where I read that. And maybe I read it incorrectly, but I'm almost certain that's what I read. Yeah.

So, okay, the only plausible way, as you said, for them to move forward without Joe Biden is for Joe Biden. They can't force him out. Joe Biden has to be the one to say I'm stepping out, right? That's correct. Unless they evoked the 25th Amendment, which that would be congressional and they'll never do that. Right. The Senate would never approve that. So he has to release his delegate.

by bowing out, and then they would have an open convention, and they would pick a candidate through a multiple round voting process. And it would probably take, unless they rally, really rally behind somebody, and probably take maybe as many as a couple of days to get that done. Yeah. This is from a source that spoke to the New York Times, apparently that's close to Joe Biden in his campaign. But Mr. Biden is a proud man. They said they believe that. The odds of him trying to get to gut it out were still four or five to one. The only way they said they could imagine him reversing course was if he could be afforded a dignified way out, in which he could claim credit for ousting Trump in 2020, restoring the country and serving as a transition into the next generation.

Biden was described by one person familiar with his mood as humiliated, devoid of confidence and painfully aware that the physical images of him at the debate, eye staring into the distance, mouth agape, will live beyond his presidency, along with the performance that at times was meandering, incoherent, and difficult to hear. Despite how much I disagree with the guy and his wicked policies, I got to say, that makes me sad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's only going to get worse. See, that's the challenge he has. Those images will live beyond his deal, beyond his presidency. But the more he is out there during the next six months, well, to campaign or four months, it's going to just get worse. And also, Trump will never, ever debate him again. Why would you ever do that? And even if they pick somebody else,

I don't think Trump will. I don't debate him either. No, Trump will never debate him again. And you think that's the right call? Absolutely. In fact, if I'm Trump, I don't debate anybody they put up. Yeah. No, you're right, because at this point, he performed so well. I saw this, clip of him going backstage to where all of his, you know, supporters are. I saw Charlie Kirk, of course, his campaign back there and they're just all giving him a round of applause. And he's like, he's excited. But I also saw a post that those close to Trump and his campaign are saying, don't get

arrogant. We are not even close to winning this campaign yet. And keep that self-controlled, restrained, mood personality. that you showed us, keep that. Keep that. It is not time for celebrations yet. And you know what? Let me give Trump credit because you and I have talked about the fact that he cannot take criticism well. He doesn't apologize. He doesn't own his mistakes very well. Whether he does that publicly or not, he listened to someone. After the last debate, he took that criticism to heart and he applied it in a humble way. And I think that's commendable.

Yep, absolutely 100%. The other thing, though, I have to tell you that I think about, and I know some of your listeners are not going to like this, but make sure that you contact Allie and not me, is that I was thinking that, man, how bad would Ron DeSantis beat Joe Biden? I know. I know. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Because he doesn't have any of the baggage rightfully or wrongfully put on Trump, but he doesn't have it. And I'm thinking, man, oh, man. So. Yeah. And he would have dominated that debate because he did. He might not have done that well in the Republican debates, but people forget, people forget this.

And this is another reason why Gavin Newsom will not be running. He will not be the candidate. We are like Ron DeSantis already wiped the floor with Gavin Newsom in a debate like a few months ago, wiped the floor with him. And it wouldn't have even been fair to see Ron DeSantis against Joe Biden. Not in a debate like that, because in that format, he would even be better. because he's a fact guy, right? He's a fact person, right? That's him. Yep.

He would have. Yeah. But I'm proud of Donald Trump too for what he did. So I don't want anybody to be mad at me for that. I just that just came across my mind during that. I'll be voting for Donald Trump this fall. Yes, I know. We both will.

I mean, it is kind of worth noting, though, that Democrats know that they could replace someone. They could replace Joe Biden with someone. And that person would be. Donald Trump. Not anyone, but someone on the Democrat side could beat Donald Trump. I think no matter who they replaced Biden with, that person could not have beaten Ron DeSantis. I don't think Whitmer. I don't think Newsom. I don't think Bashir. I don't think anyone else probably could have been to say. And that's not to say, that's just all we're saying is that there is like it or not, rational or not a virulent hatred of Donald Trump out there.

Yeah, that's the number one thing working against him in this election. There are people as what's the guy on HBO, Bill Meyer, said that. It talked about how bad the performance of Biden was, but he said, I would vote for Biden if his head was in a formaldehyde jar, right? I mean, he said that. Yeah. Okay, let's get through some of these SCOTUS decisions. We won't be able to talk about them exhaustively.

obviously because there's so much here. What do you want to hit on first? There's the Trump immunity case. There's the Chevron deference. There's the January 6th stuff. There's the homelessness stuff. What do you want to go to first? Whatever you think.

I mean, I think the Trump case is probably the one that people are most interested in. Okay, let's do that. So this is Trump v. United States. The U.S. Supreme Court just ruled six to three that presidents have absolute immunity for official actions. The court ruled the presidents do not have immunity for non-official conduct, only Sotomayor and Jackson dissented, which is kind of, you know, interesting. Oh, Kagan, Sotomayor and Jackson dissented.

So that's not actually interesting. That's pretty expected. Okay. What's your take on this? Well, I think what it does, it's, you know, it's what you and I would think should be the case, is that, and the founders would think be the case, is that if, look, if he, no matter what he's doing, doing an office. When I was in office, I had the same immunity in Texas. I had sovereign immunity for my actions, official actions as an office holder, I could not be sued for those or criminalized for those, right? Now, unofficially, if I did something unofficially, like through

my campaign or through something else, then yes, I can be just like anybody else. And the reason the founders did that is so that there wouldn't be political prosecutions. That's what that's what this was all about. And that the people that are in office have to be able to do their jobs without fear of kind of the gotcha type thing. And so that's that's why I think this was the right decision. It doesn't mean that there aren't still some charges by Jack Smith, who is representing the DOJ, that won't be heard. I think they will be heard. But it certainly narrowed the argument, quite a bit. And I think there'll be a reasonable argument that some of the things done on

January 6th by the president anyway were certainly within the realm of what his job. In fact, it said you have to give him presumptive immunity, not just direct immunity. You have to assume first that the things he's doing are within his responsibility. Right. So just a little background. Special counsel, Jack Smith's indictment charged Trump with four felonies relating to his efforts to reverse President Biden's 2020 victory. Trump's legal team argues that the actions he took were all part of his official duties as president and that presidents cannot be prosecuted for such acts. Justice Neil Gorsuch said during oral arguments that were writing a rule for the ages and that rule is what you just, what you just described. Chief Justice Roberts wrote the

opinion. Trump asserts a far broader immunity than the limited one we have. recognized. Sotomayor does not use respectfully with dissent here at the end of her dissent, which is interesting because often they will use that just to say, I respectfully disagree. She didn't do that this time. It concludes her dissent says, with fear for our democracy, I dissent. Jackson also omitted respectfully from her separate dissent, which is very passive aggressive, if you ask me. But I'm guessing you believe that this is the right move. Certainly, it helps him. It punts the whole thing until after the election. Plus, I will also say that if you tell me that Supreme Court justices aren't politically motivated, those two examples where they

remove the word respectfully, that sent a message, right? And it sent a political message, not a legal message, had nothing to do with the legality of what they said. They can dissent on that, but you should always, they should always be respectful in doing that. But by relieving, that out, you know, that's what. But yeah, I don't think anything's going to happen with this. And now the Democrats, you know, they're in full panic mode now. So they're going to be attacking, attacking, attacking, attacking. I fully expect the judge in New York to probably sentence, uh, Trump to, to some type of, you know, jail sentence, even though it'll be appealed and he, he won't have to go because he's not a flight risk or anything like that. Uh, but I just,

it's going to be doubled down, triple down on that concern. But this is a, I think this is a win for America and it actually is a win for future presidents whether they're Democrat or Republican. Yeah. Of course, Christine Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's daughter. She's a California Democrat, a part of the executive committee for the California Democrat Party. She said, wake up America. Trump's handpicked Supreme Court majority. Handpick Supreme Court majority. Every every Supreme Court justice was handpicked by president. Handpicked Supreme Court majority handed him immunity for all official acts. she puts in scare quotes. And if he's back, January 6th will be a prologue for years of retribution against his political foes.

We must vote to keep Trump far, far away from the White House, which is just ironic because many of these charges against Trump, especially like the ones in New York, are retribution against Joe Biden's political foe. And of course, that's not even to mention what the DOJ has done with the pro-life peaceful protesters, putting them in. jail. I mean, talk about retribution against Democrats' political foes. That's happening right now. Absolutely. It's happening right now. And at some point in time, I hope those charges are brought against the Biden administration, either currently or in the future after they're already out, because we have to be able to stop that. And I think the court needs to rule on that on the weaponization of the DOJ. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, let's talk about this Chevron deference. I saw a lot of people freaking out about this. I'll be honest. I am not an expert in Chevron deference. It's a 40-year

standing rule that has basically said that these unelected bureaucrats and federal agencies get to make rules and get to interpret the law how they want to. Well, this shifts the power from those unelected bureaucrats to the judicial system. Can you talk about this? Why is it called the Chevron doctrine? What's the effect of it? Yeah, well, in 1984, Chevron sued the U.S. government, but really it was a natural resources, you know, sub-agency, related to how they were regulating fossil fuels and other stuff that Chevron was doing at the time. And the Supreme Court ruled in that case, which, again, was, you know, the Supreme Court was a little bit more liberal back then, that you had to give,

when Congress wasn't clear in the statute, you had to give deference to the facts. agencies of their interpretation and that unless they were clearly outside the bounds of the statute, that basically the court should stay out of it. And that's what's happened for the last 40 years now. And this case really upended all of that. In fact, it's so funny that you say this. When this opinion came out, I happened to be down getting ready to play golf with some friends here.

And one of them is a retired federal judge. and another lawyer was talking to him and he said, can you believe the Chevron case was overturned? And those guys, you know, it's like you and I may be talking about something different, but those guys were so excited, not necessarily whether it was overturned or not, but it was so interesting to them, right? It was just like, I can't believe that, 40 years of precedence and all that. But what it does, it allows you and I, okay,

and individuals or small businesses to be able to have recourse other than just asking, the agency that already ruled against you, would you please reconsider and maybe rule it in my favor? You can now go outside of the agency and ask the court system, in a lot of cases, a trial by jury, to say, hey, did they interpret this correctly of what Congress intended? Right, right. So this is because it was a federal rule that was challenged, as you explained, from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which required fishermen to pay at least seven $900 per day for an at-sea monitor. The monitor was required by the NOAA to ensure that the fishermen were abiding by

NOAA fishing regulations. So it's like the HOA saying, you must have this American flag in your yard. And it has to have this light, it has to have this pole. And by the way, you have to pay for it. Or you have to pay us to supply you with this American flag. And if someone says, well, I don't need an American flag. I don't want an American flag. They said, sorry, you know, we make the rules.

And so the Chevron doctrine basically said, yeah, these federal agencies get to make the rules. You have to pay them the $700 for this thing that they're requiring you to have. And so this organization pushed back, the fishermen pushed back against this and said, like, no, you know, we don't, we don't want to do this. And this is what overturned the doctrine. Chief Justice Roberts said Chevron was a judicial invention that required to, you. judges to disregard their statutory duties. The only way to ensure that the law will not merely change erratically but will develop in a principled and intelligible fashion is for us to leave Chevron behind, of course,

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with that. All right. So like I said, I didn't really know that much about this, but I saw liberals freaking out about it on X. Like it was like also the end of democracy. Well, it's because most bureaucrats are liberals. Most of the people in the agencies in D.C. are liberals, especially the people that make those decisions. And they don't want you and I to be able to question their rules and decisions, whatever.

This is a great victory for the average American. Yeah. Lawrence Tribe, he is a legal scholar and professor at Harvard. He says Chevron is now overruled. The administrative state just died. The imperial judiciary joins the imperial presidency, relegating Congress to a second. secondary role except when it legislates with unrealistic specificity and foresight. I mean, I see the administrative state just died as kind of like a thing to celebrate. It is, and it's probably an overstatement because I promise you it's not dead yet. There's no question about that.

And you know what? I do think Congress doesn't often give enough specificity in what they want to have in their legislation. They need to be more specific. Yeah. Someone who was mad about this said And I thought, wow, this is a great just campaign tweet for Donald Trump. This person says the Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade, 50 years of president, overturned Chevron, 40 years of precedent, overturned affirmative action, 60 years of precedent, allowed cities to criminalize homelessness. All of this because one man became president in 2016. I'm like, boom.

Cool. Yeah, that's right. Okay, homeless camps. City of Grants Pass v. Johnson. people are saying this makes homelessness illegal and everyone who is homeless is going to go to jail. What is this about? Well, that's about, you know, some, and we've done some of this in Texas, too, states and cities have ruled that these homeless encampments are either camping out on public property is not legal.

And they pass ordinances or state laws to say that. And so this particular city had a law. This is funny that's in Oregon as well, right? This particular city had an ordinance that said you can't camp on public property. And it came with a $295 fine and a potential for maybe spending a few nights or maybe in weeks or months in jail. And then what happened is an organization related to the homeless people sued and said that you're making them a criminal by the fact that they're homeless. All right. And that was their argument.

However, if you read the, you read, and what they're relied on is a case called Robinson, which basically, initially people tried to say that if you were addicted to illegal drugs, that the addiction itself was a crime. And the Supreme Court ruled in Robinson in 1962, I think, that said that the addiction is not a crime, but the use of illegal drugs is a crime. Okay. And so they tried to say that these laws were making homelessness a crime like the addiction thing. And what the court said, no, that's not what they're doing. This city was simply saying, we understand that you're homeless. In fact, we have shelters for you that most of you don't want to stay in or a large percentage don't. So it wasn't homelessness that was a crime.

It was you camping out on public property that's a crime. And that can be regulated by the city or the state. Right. And Justice Sotomayor completely disregards what you just said. Like that these people do have somewhere to go. Like this city is saying we've got homeless shelters don't camp out in the public where people are trying to take their kids to the park where people are trying to live. We just can't have that. And yet Justice Sotomayor writes in her dissenting opinion, this was six three. So conservative versus liberal. The Eighth Amendment prohibits, she says, the Eighth Amendment against cruel. unusual punishment prohibits punishing homelessness by criminalizing sleeping outside when an individual has nowhere to go. It is cruel and unusual to apply any penalty selectively to minorities whose numbers are few who are outcast of society and who are unpopular, but to whom society is willing to see suffer, though it would not countenance general application of the same penalty across the board. Again, these people do have somewhere to go. And what are we supposed to do? Just allow tent cities

everywhere. That is incentivizing homelessness. You think she would be okay with having tent cities right outside the entrance that she goes into the Supreme Court building every day? Her home? These are rules for thee, not for me. And that's exactly what she wants. Now, I am concerned that Gavin Newsom and I agree on this particular ruling. Gavin Newsom? Yeah, he supported the city. He supported this because San Francisco has no way to fight home even if they decide to, they have no way to do it. This actually helps a city like San Francisco should they decide to do something about it.

Because over 50% of the people have shelters available to them that aren't using them in San Francisco. Right. There was a thread that said the Eighth Amendment doesn't apply because 80 to 90% of those who are homeless are offered shelter. If you go to Skid Row in L.A., there are 10,000 people on the street, many for 10 plus years. Every single one of them has been offered shelter. housing multiple times. They're choosing to stay there. All right, let's talk about January 6th. This is Fisher v. United States. Conservatives are excited about this. Well, and I get why they're excited and they should be all, although it won't, it's not,

it's not the end all to be all, the be all to end all, I guess is what you'd say. But what the court found is that after Enron, and Enron was a company that was found to very much abused our financial regulatory system. And so they passed an act after that debacle called the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, which is named after senators and a congressman. And that act in it said that you cannot obstruct an official government procedure. Now, it was talking about congressional investigations, okay, and congressional hearings. all right it wasn't talking about the court ruled it wasn't talking about a public event like what happened on

January the 6th and so that's where they drew they basically said you can't use that particular clause to bring a case against the people on January 6th so and they used that in a lot of their cases to try to convict people was that they said they were in obstructing an official government procedure and under this particular statute and that statute didn't apply to that. Okay, I gotcha. The Atlantic says it like this. The Supreme Court ignored the clear language of a federal obstruction of justice statute to hold that the junior eight six writers did not obstruct or impede the congressional proceeding to certify the election. So they say the Supreme Court just ignored the clear language because I guess they think that the Supreme Court.

is partisan and doesn't care about the law. I'm sure that's what they think, but that's not what happened. Yeah. Okay, well, people feel like conservatives are winning right now, but we've got a long way to go before the election. What's next? What should we be looking out for over the next few weeks? Well, a couple of things we should be looking out for, and that is an all-out barrage against President Trump. More of these exposure or at least a heightening of whatever he said during the debate that wasn't exactly true. There will be more people come to make different claims against him and what have you.

We can also look out for this judge in New York that's going to sentence him here in the next week or 10 days and how that works out. I think you'll see a lot of that. But I think what people really need to be thinking about, and again, I want to make sure people we go back to this more than one in the past, and that is, one, the federal budget deficit in 2019, three years into his deal, was 4.2% of GDP, all right? Gross domestic product, which is the overall economy. Under Biden, 6.2%.

So there's a larger percentage of our overall economy our debt is now that's ever been, no matter what anybody says. They said Trump grew the debt more. It just doesn't work out that way. And you look at the same timeframes. Also, in 2019, if you can remember that, inflation was 1.6%. I mean, basically no, zero inflation. And in 22, at the end of 22, it's 6.5%.

At the end of 21, it was 7%. I mean, it settled down some now. But remember, when it's- We're all still feeling it, though. Yeah, well, here's the deal is, is that if it went up 6.5%, let's say 7% in 21, then in 22, it went up 6.5%. But at 6.5% on top of the 7%, right? And that's 13.

And so now if it's four or five percent, we're at 20 percent greater. Things cost at least 20 percent or more than they did. Gasoline prices in 2019 for $2.64. Okay. Now they're $3.40. Okay. So it's just people just have to remember that. Yeah.

And when you're voting and when you're thinking about voting, just think about what happens in your pocketbook. Yeah. That's the main thing. All of that matters. That affects how you can live your life, the things that you can provide for your children. All of that affects your security, your stability, you know, even the choices that you and your husband make as far as work goes. I mean, that's a really big deal in addition to all

these other issues. And Biden didn't back away from any of that. He will suspend more and more and more. Of course. Of course he does. And women just know that in the coming weeks, I know that Biden kind of fumbled the ball, at least from their perspective on the abortion answer. Trump? No, no. Biden fumbled the ball, well, Trump too, but Biden fumbled the ball, you know, from the Democrats' perspective on the abortion thing, he could have really hammered that home. But look, you're going to get a lot of propaganda over the next few weeks, few months that the pro-lifers are restricting abortion care. No law restricts abortion care. You're going to be hearing a lot of propaganda over the next few weeks from Democrats saying that pro-lifers are

trying to restrict miscarriage care. You are going to hear that a miscarriage is the same thing as an abortion. That is not true. That is propaganda. There is no law that restricts care for a miscarriage, even if there are some doctors that are confused out there. That is not the fault of the law. Remember that abortion is a brutal procedure that kills a baby every single time. Democrats want that through all nine months. That's what you have to remember. I think that they're going to use that big time over the next few months. So we should have to keep our wits about us, right, Dad? Absolutely, 100%.

And you have to also continue to understand that we still live in the greatest country in America. We're coming up on July the 4th, which is an incredible time to celebrate with your family and friends, really the good things about America. I always want to remember Ronald Reagan's talk about the shining city on a hill. And that's really what we are. Even today, even with all our troubles, people. are flocking to America, okay?

Too many. People don't flock from America. They flock to America. Yeah. And we just need to have the right ones in here and the bad ones need to stay out. All right. Well, thanks so much, Dad. I really appreciate it.

I know for everyone, this is a longer episode, but we had a lot of ground to cover before the holiday. So thanks so much, Dad. You bet. Take care.