Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1029 | Whistleblower Nurse Uncovers “Trans Kid” Medicaid Fraud | Guest: Vanessa Sivadge

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Today, we sit down with Vanessa Sivadge, a whistleblower formerly employed at Texas Children's Hospital. Vanessa recently exposed the hospital for using Medicaid to fund cross-sex "treatments" for minors and faced backlash from the American justice system. What motivated Vanessa to speak out? What exactly did she see going on? And how did the FBI get involved? We address all that and more in this must-see episode. Vanessa's GiveSendGo: https://www.givesendgo.com/nurse_whistleblower Get your tickets for Share the Arrows: https://www.sharethearrows.com/ --- Timecodes: (04:14) What Vanessa saw (08:06) Doctors manipulating parents (10:35) Other whistleblower report (13:58) Non-‘affirming’ parents & financial incentives (16:50) How she found out about the fraud (22:00) FBI comes to her home (37:50) Texas AG investigation (45:10) Public response (48:00) Vanessa is a Relatagal! --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — Change the way you buy meat today at GoodRanchers.com with code ALLIE to claim your $100 off and free smoked brats for a year.  Get free shipping on all your orders and make this Independence Day one to remember.  A’del — try A'del's hand-crafted, artisan, small-batch cosmetics and use promo code ALLIE 25% off your first time purchase at AdelNaturalCosmetics.com. NetSuite — gain visibility and control of your financials, planning, budgeting, and inventory so you can manage risk, get reliable forecasts, and improve margins. Go to NetSuite.com/ALLIE to get your one-of-a-kind flexible financing program. Magic Spoon — get your next delicious bowl of high-protein cereal at magicspoon.com/RELATABLE! Be sure to use promo code RELATABLE at checkout to save five dollars off your order! --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 1020 | Botched: The Brutality of Trans Mastectomies | Guest: Soren Aldaco https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1020-botched-the-brutality-of-trans/id1359249098?i=1000659311855 Ep 896 | From 'Trans Man' to Transformed by Christ | Guest: Laura Perry Smalts (Part One) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-896-from-trans-man-to-transformed-by-christ-guest/id1359249098?i=1000632613519 Ep 897 | A Detransitioner on the Lie of Trans ‘Joy’ | Guest: Laura Perry Smalts (Part Two) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-897-a-detransitioner-on-the-lie-of-trans/id1359249098?i=1000632747460 Ep 884 | Sex Change Regret: Why the Surgeries Never Work | Guest: Scott Newgent https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-884-sex-change-regret-why-the-surgeries-never-work/id1359249098?i=1000630220531 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.

Vanessa Sivage is a nurse who blew the whistle on Medicaid fraud occurring at Texas Children's Hospital and Houston, Texas, the nation's largest children's hospital. Vanessa claims doctors have been defying Texas laws against providing cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers for children. and that doctors were enrolling many of these minor patients in Medicaid using false diagnoses. A devout Christian, she has spoken out against gender ideology in general since 2022, but in 2023 she anonymously corroborated a report released by Dr. Eton Haim, a surgeon at Texas Children's Hospital, who revealed to journalist Christopher Rufo that, despite Texas law, children were being given harmful drugs

in the name of quote unquote gender affirming care, often without any understanding of their long-term consequences. For that, Vanessa was targeted by the FBI who showed up at her door last year to talk with her about her involvement with Dr. Himes' whistleblower report. But she wasn't intimidated. Just a few weeks ago, in June of 2024, Vanessa came forth with evidence of transgenderism-centered Medicaid fraud

at Texas Children's. hospital. She is now bravely sharing her name, her face, and her story in the hopes that she will play a part in dismantling this destructive part of our medical system. Vanessa and her husband are longtime relatable listeners and I am honored to have her here on the show today to tell her story. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com. Code Allie. Vanessa, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Could you let everyone know who you are and what you do?

Thank you so much for having me. It's truly an honor to be with you. Thanks. My name is Vanessa Sivage. I am a pediatric registered nurse at Texas Children's Hospital. I've been married to my husband, Blake, for the past five years. And we live and work in Houston. And I was the anonymous whistle.

blower in a story released in May of 2023 by Christopher Rufo exposing the existence of a secret transgender medicine program at the nation's largest children's hospital. So I came forward anonymously at that time to corroborate and affirm a first whistleblower who had come forward to reveal the existence of that to the public. Okay. And I've seen this really circulating recently, though in the past couple of in the past couple of months and you have given a lot of interviews recently why is this in the news again i came forward publicly with my name on june 18th of 24 uh because i have witnessed numerous examples of texas children's hospital committing medicaid fraud and uh using medicaid to cover transgender treatments and hormones and also

the misdiagnosing of transgender patients for the purpose of using Medicaid to cover those. Right. Medicaid in the state of Texas is not supposed to cover what is typically referred to as gender-affirming care. That's not how I would describe it. These are different procedures that people undergo to try to seem like they are the opposite sex. And so you found out that Medicaid was being used to cover these procedures. I did. And it was something that truly should outrage every American tax-pank citizen that our tax dollars are going to fund transgender hormones. And this is at a children's hospital. The largest children's hospital in the nation.

Yes. So tell me what you were seeing, these procedures. How were these patients being treated? what was the process like? So the story really starts in 2021. I was hired or I accepted a new role in a pediatric multi-specialty clinic. And this was the very same clinic

that Dr. Richard Roberts was working at and seeing transgender patients at. And very quickly, I just started to notice that transgender patients were being seen, that he was prescribing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. And even though my interaction with this particular patient population was very minimal, I would say it was only about 10% of my total job description,

I still received refill requests and had to field questions from parents on his behalf or on their behalf. And I knew with every fiber of my being that this was wrong, what he was doing. And I had a, you know, a real crisis of conscience at one point because I couldn't justify even having an indirect role in what was going on. Yeah. And you're not even talking about the Medicaid stuff at this point. You're just talking about the fact that he was, he was allowing young people minors to go on cross-sex hormones and things like that. Yes. Yeah. And so, you know, at one point I would, I was asked to do things that were against everything I believed and against my faith. I can think of one example where there was one particular day in clinic.

And he asked me to do like a patient teaching or patient education for a particular male. And he asked if I could go into this patient's room and teach how to administer like an injection. and didn't realize what was happening at the time. But later I realized that this teenage boy was going to be administering synthetic estrogen to himself throughout the week and that I had taught him how to do that. And that was devastating for me and it was something I truly was so uncomfortable with.

And so I almost quit on a number of occasions. I couldn't justify staying there. Did you talk to any of your colleagues? Did anyone else that you worked with talk about this too in their discomfort? Yeah, thankfully there were some like-minded people that I worked with, and that was a real blessing. But just to paint the picture even a little more about the hospital culture, every year Texas Children's Hospital releases a mandatory training for all. employees. And every, at the beginning of every training, the first portion of that is the LGBTQ, LGBTQ inclusion portion. And that covers gender identity, sexual orientation,

gender expression, gender dysphoria, and conscious and unconscious bias. And so this is something that's very embedded into the fabric of the hospital, this ideology. Um, And so I definitely felt very outnumbered and very overwhelmed, and I know I'm not the only one who's working in a hostile environment. Right. And you said that you observed doctors during this time manipulating the parents of these young patients, trying to convince them to agree to treatment, so-called treatment. without really informing them about the long-term side effects of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. Is that right? It is. I would even go a step further because doctors would note at the end of every visit, there is no contraindication to beginning testosterone.

There is no contraindication to beginning estrogen. Wow. And that is a lie. And it's especially a lie because the number of teenagers. age girls that I saw coming in through the clinic with a multitude of health issues in addition to being confused about their sex. They're coming in with depression and anxiety and many of them have autism. Many of them have some cognitive delays. And it's just they those issues go untreated in the name of gender affirming care. Right. And did you have a lot of interactions with these patients or were you more

just on the observing side? I was one of, I was on the observing side. I had a very minimal role. Very minimal role. Yeah. But you still got to see firsthand the kinds of patients, the interactions, some of the things that the doctors were saying and all of this really troubled you. Like you said, you were having a crisis of conscience because this goes against your faith. I'm assuming that when you took this job, even if you did know that, you did know that, LGBTQ inclusion so called just going to be a part of it that's a part of a lot of corporate jobs right now I'm sure you didn't think that it would entail this basically having to play an indirect role in convincing kids that they're born in the wrong body yeah and just then the even just the

knowledge that if I were to speak out or just let my manager or my leaders know hey I have a problem with this that it would probably result in termination or something similar. Yeah. It was, um, it was a really difficult time. Mm-hmm. And so, um, this ultimately led to May of 2023, where, um, Christopher Rufo released an article, um, with another, with a, with a whistleblower. And this whistleblower had, um, included some redacted documents.

that proved the existence of this transgender medicine program, which up until this point had been hidden from the public and from lawmakers. It wasn't even on the hospital website. It was under wraps. It was. Okay. And I had firsthand knowledge that what this whistleblower had reported was true because I was working in this clinic.

And I knew that I had to speak up and to affirm what was reported. Hey, this is Steve Dase. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. One thing that you told an interviewer is that the doctor would do things based on what the patient wanted and not what was medically best for them. You said that there was no discussion of what the risks are, what the long-term effects are.

And of course, as you said, this whistleblower said the same thing. When you saw them come forward, you were like, okay, patients are at risk. I have to do something here. So what happened after that after you saw this report come out? I'm sure your stomach just dropped and you were like, oh my gosh, I'm not the only one. Yeah. Yeah, I think parents were manipulated into, they were convinced that this was the best thing for their child. And these doctors are deeply committed individuals to this ideology.

And I truly believe that they believe that they're doing the right thing, that they're saving lives. That they're fully, they've fully bought in, unfortunately. Did you ever see any parents pushing back against the doctors? How did the doctors deal with that? If there was a parent that said, you know, my child just went to the ER last week for suicide. I don't think we need to just be prescribing them hormones that can change their mental state even more. Like, how did the doctors deal with that? Yeah, it's interesting.

There were always two types of parent that was noted in the chart. One type was the ones that were, one category was the ones that were affirming and encouraging of their child wanting to transition. The other ones were a bit more hesitant and not so sure. And that was clearly noted by the doctor, which ones were supportive. even which ones were not. And with time, you would just see that the parents that were hesitant eventually bought in and were completely affirming. And it was clear that this train was only going in one direction. Yeah.

I mean, if you have a doctor tell you this is the only solution to their problems, this is going to heal all their other mental illnesses, which is so not true. This is going to save them from suicide. And then your child is looking you in the eye with, you know, tears, streaking down their face saying, please let me do this. My happiness, my life depends on this. That puts the parent in a really tough position. Yeah. And I mean, I truly have so much compassion for the parents who want nothing but the best for their child. But they're very misled by my parents.

medical professionals. This is a hugely lucrative industry. And many of them look at a child and see a dollar sign. Yeah. Well, you mentioned that you feel that these doctors, yes, they're ideologically motivated, but you did say that you believe that they believe they are doing the right thing and saving lives. But you also just pointed out something really important. There's a lot of money to be made by prescribing hormones and then eventually on the path to chemical, you know, chemical castration, real castration, double mastectomies and all of that. Did you ever get the idea that these doctors were actually motivated by their own kind of like selfish desire for money? That's a really interesting question. It's so hard to know on the outside what a person's motives

are. But, you know, some excellent reporting has come out recently that's really exposed some of these doctors who are providing transgender medicine and what groups they're a part of, you know, what organizations fund them and give them funding. And so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Who knows? I mean, obviously the intent is evil no matter what. even if the person does think that they're doing the right thing, telling a child or a person they're born in their wrong body is going to have horrible consequences. So tell us about how you found out about the fraud that was going on. Yeah. Probably within the last year, this was after the FBI came. I was, you know, to the best of my ability, trying to do my job in the best way that I knew how.

By this point, the Texas law had been passed last September and September of 2023. It is now illegal to provide gender affirming care for minors, so called gender affirming care. And so it was during this time that I started noticing some discrepancies in the paperwork, some reds. flags that really caught my attention and noticed two things. The first is that perfectly healthy teenagers, minors, who are on Medicaid or CHIP or STAR or a similar kind of insurance that Texas Children's Hospital is using Medicaid to cover transgender treatments, whether that's cross-sex hormones or puberty blockers. And that is illegal per the Texas Medicaid policy. That's the first thing.

The second thing is that I saw some examples of providers who were intentionally misdiagnosing transgender patients for the purpose of justifying those cross-sex hormones. So I'll give you an example. A healthy 16-year-old male was said to have an estrogen deficiency. as the official diagnosis. And that then allowed the doctor to prescribe estrogen to this healthy boy and vice versa with a female. And this was, again, they were not trying to hide this. This was very clearly noted. And it's just really obvious that the hospital continues to lie despite their history of lying to the public.

Wow. So they were misdiagnosing intentionally patients so they could get the Medicaid coverage for a so-called hormone deficiency when really these people had, I mean, you could call it gender dysphoria. I don't even think that that's the accurate terminology in all these cases. It's just kind of gender deception. Really, in every case, whether or not someone is truly dysphoric, but in order to get the Medicaid coverage, they had to lie. and they weren't trying to, you said, hide it from you. It was just like, yeah, this is just what we have to do. Yeah.

Anything, anything goes. Wow. So Texas Children's Hospital said in March 22 that it would stop, quote, unquote, gender affirming hormone treatments for kids after Governor Greg Gabbit and Attorney General Kinn-Pakston declared such treatments. Child abuse in June 2023, the state legislature passed a law banning trans treatments for kids, borrowing taxpayer funds from going to pay for gender-affirming. care. So called. I feel like I always have to caveat that because it's such an awful phrase. You spoke out publicly against transgender medicine for children in 2022. And then you wrote for the Family Research Council that you believe this would inflict long-term harm on young patients. What was the aftermath of that? Yeah, that's a really good question. Yeah, this was.

during the time when I was really struggling if I wanted to quit or not. And so I wrote this piece called What Happened to Do No Harm of a nurse's firsthand view of the transgender craze. And that was in August of 2022. And at the time, I really debated whether or not to use my name with that piece, knowing that it might carry some risk. But I chose to do that anyway. And in In July of last year of 2023, after I came forward anonymously with Christopher Rufo, it was a Monday evening and we were having dinner with friends at home. And all of a sudden there's a knock on the door. And I go to answer it and my husband and I are shocked that two federal agents are asking for me to speak to me about issues at my work. and they flashed their badges.

They said they were from the FBI. And they said that they had come to my home because they knew what I believed. They knew of my views against transgender medicine. They also said that I was a person of interest in an investigation targeting a whistleblower. And this whistleblower had, of course, released an article previously

with some redacted documents, but according to them, he was not a whistleblower. He was a leaker. And he had broken the law, broken HIPAA, by releasing confidential patient information, which of course I knew was a lie because those documents were redacted, and we of course now know that this was Dr. Aiton Haim. He's come forward publicly since then, but at the time, I had no idea who he was and had never met him. And so they proceeded to tell me that I was not safe at my work, that if I did not cooperate with them, if I did not help them, but they could not protect me. They made me feel very coerced and intimidated. And essentially just, yeah, made me feel very unsafe.

Yeah. So before we have a clip of that, but let me make sure I have the timeline correct. So back in, you started in 2021. And then in 2022 is when you first started publicly talking about the harms that you thought these procedures, this medication will have on children, correct? In 2023, it was outlawed in the state of Texas. And 2023 is also when you noticed the Medicaid fraud. Now in 2022, that's when the first whistleblower, right? Or was it 2023?

2020. May. Okay, of May of 20203 is when the first whistleblower came out and said, hey, this is what's happening. It's not supposed to be happening here, but this is what's happening. Many of the things that you're saying, how the patients were treated. And you said that's Dr. Aiton Heim. He was the whistleblower. We didn't know it at the time.

That was anonymous. We've only recently kind of learned his. identity. You came forward when that first whistle blower report was released, corroborating what he was saying. Yes. Right? Yes. About the Medicaid fraud? At that point, it was just the procedures. Yes. Okay. Just the medical so-called care. Yes. And that is why then in 2023, a few months later in July, the FBI showed up at your house because they're basically saying this, Dr. Heim was not a whistleblower. Yes.

That he was a leaker. Yes. That he violated HIPAA. Yes. You're saying those documents were redacted, though, that means that all of the pertinent, you know, private information that would be protected by HIPAA, that was removed. That was taken out. Correct.

But they're saying, oh, no, he violated HIPA. He's not protected as a whistleblower. Right. And they were basically accusing you of playing a whistleblower. part in that because you had publicly come out and corroborated what he said? Not just that, but they actually requested my help in exposing him and exposing his identity. So they were asking for my help in basically, you know, yeah, exposing his identity to the world. Okay.

And of course, I had no idea who he was. Yeah. At this point, he was still anonymous. You all hadn't talked. Right. No. No. Um, but they knew that we were.

aligned ideologically against transgender medicine. And I believe that they thought they could intimidate me into helping them. So I am curious, when you spoke out against what was happening in 2022, how did that affect your life at work? It didn't really, nothing really happened, at least that I felt or that I experienced. Did anyone talk to you? No. I was very, I kept a really low profile. Yeah, yeah. And it's, I mean, it's a big hospital. Yeah. So, okay, gotcha. So I just wanted to clarify that.

2023, FBI shows up, says we need your help and exposing this leaker. Here is SOT one. Hello? I'm looking for Vanessa Savage. Okay. I'll make some of the FBI. Okay. This is a good.

Right. I am. Okay. Okay. It's a pleasant interaction. You're not any trouble. Okay. All right.

All right. Hi, how are you? I actually snuck up on you there. You want a seat to? Are we interrupting dinner? I'm really sorry. That's all right. What's going on? Let me start at the beginning. So I'm sure you're aware of some of the things have been going on at your work lately. With regards to... Yeah, so I got to... Can I... Can we sit down for a minute? Let me do my song and dance. Okay. I know you said that you were shocked. Tell me what's running through your mind at that point.

Did you kind of immediately know why they were there? I did immediately know why they were there. But it was still such a shocking experience to have the FBI not wanting to know about the hospital committing the crime, but to be at the front door of a nurse exposing the crime. Okay. Yeah. And then what happened from there? Well, I mean, like I said, they just thought they could intimidate me into helping them and asked for my help in exposing the identity of this whistleblower. They said I wasn't safe unless I helped them and that they couldn't protect me unless I helped them.

Were they specific about that? Like, you're not safe at work. We need to protect you. Like, what? From what? I think they were intentionally vague on purpose. Okay. Gotcha.

They're just hoping to scare you, basically. Yeah. Were you off put by how friendly they were, what they looked like? I think that's intentional. I think they do that on purpose. Yeah. But was that off-footing? Yeah.

They made a comment at the very end, and they just said, hey, we could have shown up to your work in black suits and done the whole charade at your work. but we chose not to do that. We chose to come in normal clothes to your home. I think that's the worst. You show up at my house. Like good old boy, mama, no, thank you. And that's, I mean, to me, it's so strategic how they do this. And obviously, this is a part of training.

I don't have any special insight into how the FBI works. But for people who are just listening and not watching, they look like, you know, good old Texas boys. And the way he says, let me just do my song and dance. as if, as if, oh, I don't really think this is a big deal either. Let's just get through some things. You just talk to me, it's going to be no big deal. That's very strategic to make you think, yeah, I'm on your side too. I'm just doing my job.

Don't worry about it. I think it is very disarming for someone who has no idea what's going on. They're making it seem like they're your friend and that they're on your side when the exact opposite is true. Yeah. So tell me what. has happened since then? Well, you know, in the weeks and months that followed July 24th of 2023, um, you know, there is no rule book for what to do after something like this happens. There's no, um, you know, we, we just didn't know what to do or what to think or who to speak with

or if we even needed legal representation. And so, um, it was a really difficult time where, you know, we had to rely on the Lord and just turn to him. And so there was, there's a couple of Bible verses that were really significant for me during this time. The first one is in Ephesians 5, verse 11. And it says to have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of evil and darkness, but expose them. Everything that is, everything that the light touches is exposed.

Yeah. Yeah. And, um, that was really meaningful for me and I took that very literally and um you know you've you've talked about this a lot that what god defines what god what god designs he defines and um that this is not an issue that we should compromise on this is a foundational genesis one issue um and so uh god will often bring people to a place where the only option is to depend on him. And whether or not it's what I went through

or whatever difficult situation a person finds themselves in, God is ultimately about his glory and about bringing himself glory. And the Bible talks about how in Ephesians 2, that we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works, that he prepared in advance for us to do, that we would walk in them. And I realized that this was the good work that God has prepared in advance that I would walk in it. And despite the fact that this was so terrifying and so unforeseen and so unexpected to me,

this was not an accident to God. And he knew this would happen a long time ago. And this is the good work that he's prepared in advance that I was. would do. And so, um, reclaiming that truth and also just speaking the promises of God over myself, that God is ultimately my defender, that he's my protector, um, that Jesus is my advocate before God, the father, that nothing can snatch me out of his hand. You know, those truths, speaking those truths to the fear and the anxiety that the enemy wants to keep you in, um, was so critical for me in the weeks that followed.

And so, ultimately that God is worthy of our trust, no matter what happens. And so we knew that this was not the end of the story, that we had to speak out, that we had to affirm what God has deemed good, and that is the good and perfect design in men and women. His design for our gender and sexuality is good,

and beautiful and right. And we are called to affirm that no matter the cost. Did you have more interactions with those FBI agents? Not yet. No. No. Okay. So after that, after they came to your house and you talked to them, did you hear from the FBI at all again?

No. Okay. No. So what made you decide to reveal your identity recently? I chose to come forward publicly because the hospital was committing Medicaid fraud and nobody knew about it. And, you know, it wasn't enough

that they had concealed a secret transgender medicine program from the public and from lawmakers. But now they are using taxpayer dollars to fund these transgender procedures. And I could not stay silent about that. Yeah. Wow. were you hesitant at any point before revealing your identity? Because you were already publicly critical of what was going on there.

But this, especially after the FBI had come to your house, accusing you of being part of some leaking plot, I imagine taking this next step to say, no, now I am a whistleblower too, and here's my name. I imagine that that was kind of scary, even knowing everything that you just outlined. It was scary, but I am more scared of children being harmed and of whistleblowers not having the courage to come forward and speak what is happening that is illegal in hospitals. I want for other medical professionals who are working in a hostile environment to feel emboldened and encouraged to reveal what's been done behind.

closed doors and what's been done in secret. So that's what I'm most passionate about. Yeah. And right now, like, what does, what does life look like? Are you doing interviews every day? Do you feel like this is something that God is calling you to do professionally? Or are you just kind of seeing what opportunities God brings to you? I am so deeply passionate about this. And so I am. I am so I am. I'm very open to what God has for me in the future. So the Texas Attorney General, since you have come forward with this Medicaid fraud, he says that he is investigating it.

Yes, he did make an announcement, or his office made the announcement that they're investigating potential Medicaid fraud. And Dr. Ethan, sorry, Aton. Aton. Okay, Dr. Heim, the surgeon who was the whistleblower, who was being called the law, leaker by the FBI. He has been indicted on four felony counts of violating HIPAA. According to the now unsealed indictment, this is an update from USA Today. The U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of Texas has charged time with obtaining protected individual health information for parents who were not under his care and without authorization. So I know you said that they are redacted,

but like what do you think about this claim that he was doing something? that was unauthorized? I think that the Biden administration has weaponized the Department of Justice to come after people of faith and law-abiding citizens. They're not going after the people who are committing the crime, but the people exposing the crime.

And I believe that he's done nothing wrong. I believe that this is a farce and a witch hunt. that we are trained in nursing school, that we are held to a really high standard of ethics, and that if we see something illegal, we see something suspicious that we have to come forward, we have to report it, we have to talk about it. Like, you know, if a surgeon is operating on an individual,

and the surgeon comes in and he's intoxicated and he's drunk and he's about to perform surgery, you want a nurse who's going to say, hey, this isn't right. You need to call this off. You're intoxicated. The life of the patient is at risk. You want a nurse who's going to say that. And yet I'm saying what I've seen, what I've observed, that's illegal as he has, and the Biden administration is now after him. And that's so wrong. Right. And you named some of these doctors. already mentioned one, Dr. Richard Roberts. Roberts has managed a large number of pediatric sex change patients. He allegedly prescribed sex change hormones to a female who identified as non-binary. And records claimed that she was a male. That's how, as you said, she was enrolled in the state Medicaid program. And then Dr. David Paul is another one. He managed a large

number of pediatric sex change patients. And these are people who continued to allow these prescriptions and procedures even after it was made illegal in the state of Texas. And so they just, they just didn't care. They felt protected by some bigger system than the state. And I think they were counting on the fact that everyone would just get on board and stay silent and that there would be no one to expose what they're doing. Yeah. And that's what they were counting on.

Yeah. And as you mentioned, I mean, we don't know their motivation. but you have written before, and this is true, that for a child who decides that they want to start identifying as the opposite sex, you're looking at about $70,000 per child. Yes. With all the procedures and the prescriptions and then the path that they go down, even fertility preservation at times, the surgeries, I mean, it's hard not to imagine that some of this has to do with the fact that it is so insanely lucrative.

Yeah, and I like to refer to them as the unholy trinity, the unholy trinity that consists of hospitals and insurance and pharmaceuticals. Yeah. And they are all profiting off of this. Totally. And they're making children medical patients for life. Mm-hmm. You know, it's interesting with, let's just say abortion, a woman goes in to have an abortion and it's one time. Unless you, you know, but it's one time.

with transgender patients, you are prescribing medications and hormones. They have to be on these for multiple times a week, multiple visits per month for years and years and years. And so this is a highly lucrative industry. They become slaves to the medical industrial complex because it affects your entire body for your entire life. Some of the effects are reversible depending on how long. you are on the cross-sex hormones and the puberty blockers, but we're talking about lifelong sterility. We're talking about uterine and vaginal atrophy.

We're talking about all kinds of complications and issues that can certainly come from a man who goes through those kind of genital procedures. And it all starts with social affirmation that leads to medical affirmation and more and more interventions. And we need more people who are willing to say, No, no, this is not okay. And I'm glad that the state of Texas is at least on your side and they're taking these claims seriously. I mean, praise God for that.

Because doctors should think. They should have to think twice. Ooh, is this going to hurt my career? Am I going to be able to keep my medical license if I do this? Am I going to lose a bunch of money because I'm going to be sued? Because it should be really, really, really costly for doctors to prescribe these kinds of. kinds of medications. Yeah. And I'm, you know, one of my prayers is that more and more people will start, will start to rise up, will start to expose what's been done behind closed doors,

to where these doctors do feel that there's some accountability with the public, that this is not accepted across the board, that there's a large portion of the general public that is completely in disagreement. And a lot of people just don't know. They just don't know what goes on. This is according to USA Today, I think these are positive trends. Recently, the National Health Service, England, said it will not prescribe puberty blockers as a routine treatment to children

and other young people seeking gender transitions. The Cass Review, an independent nearly 400-page report on transgender care, so-called, suggested that providers slowed down on drug treatments and found that the evidence supporting this kind of gender care is remarkably weak. The American College of Pediatrics, this is different than the American Association of Pediatrics, or American College of Pediatricians. A group of about 700 conservative medical providers recently urged other medical professionals to cease intervening in the care of gender-confused minors.

In recent years, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden have worked on placing new limits on hormone treatments for youth experiencing gender confusion. And so we need every single bit of courage, like every single bit of bravery to push this down. Because as you said, that unholy Trinity that you described has a lot of money and a lot of power, institutional power, backed currently by our presidential administration. Of course, they feel confident to defy the law.

And the media, Hollywood, Big Tech, they're all in support of this. Did you feel that there were colleagues that wanted to speak out but were intimidated by all of that? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, there's great risk to speak out. I've taken a lot of risks. But I believe that those risks are worthwhile and they're worth it because the lives of children are at stake here.

Yeah, absolutely. What has the support been like? What's the response been like since you publicly outage yourself? People have been so supportive and so encouraging. And I've received so many messages from people who are just really, really kind to messages that have made me feel like I'm doing the right thing in that this is ultimately for the glory of God. Totally. You've had people share the arrows with you.

That's right. Yeah. Good. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I know all glory goes to God and the Holy Spirit empowering you, but I'm just so, I'm thankful because it would have been easy for you to either keep doing what you were doing or quit your job and to just be quiet about it. It would have been a lot easier for you to do that.

A lot less stressful. But I'm thankful that you took the hard path. I know that you and your husband have. been listening to Relatable for a while. I'm interested in that, though. Tell me, tell me when you started listening to the show. Um, my husband actually sent me your podcast in 2020. Oh. And this was when, yeah, the presidential race, BLM, the mess. COVID. Yes, all of that was going on. And I just want to tell you, and hopefully I do not cry my eyeballs out that I am just so grateful for your ministry. You have shaped so many of my views as it relates to faith and politics. And I am so appreciative

of how you've been used by God to impact so many people and I'm one of those people. So I'm so grateful. Thank you. Well, all glory to God. We're all just working together to advance the kingdom as much as we can. And even if that just means not affirming the lies of this age, that can be really powerful. And courage is contagious. It is. And you may never know the effect, the impact, the impact, that your courage has. It will only be on the other side of glory that you see the butterfly effect of you standing up and all of the testimonies that your testimony has impacted. And that's just what God does. And we're privileged to play our role in it. However, he's called us. So thank you so much. Is there any way that people can support you or send you those notes of encouragement,

share the arrows with you? Yeah, I would love to hear from people. I have a give, send go set up. and it's Gives and Go nurse underscore whistleblower. And my personal email is on there. I would love to hear from you, hear from people. And so appreciate all the prayers and all the support. Good. And you're going to be at the Share of the Arrow's event, right? I think so, yes.

I think you are. I need to register. Your friend said that you would be. Don't worry about it. You don't need to register. If you just send us your information, we'll get you a ticket. We would love to have you there. Yeah.

your friend. I know we talked about this already, but people don't know. And of course, we wanted you on the show anyway because I had heard your story. But your friend reached out on your behalf and she was so sweet. She was like, you have to have her on the show. We got to share the arrows with her. And I was like 1,000 percent. We will have her on the event too. And yeah, we'd love to have y'all at the event too. But yeah, thank you again so much. And thanks for taking the time to come on. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos.

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