Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1030 | Responding to Andy Stanley’s Message to Conservatives

Starting point is 00:00:01 Andy Stanley calls out conservatives who say that the Democrat Party and Christianity cannot go hand in hand. I have quite a thorough response to his comments in a recent sermon. And also, we are going to look back at Pride Month and go into some taboo territory about the ideology that underpin. this community. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Aventures.com. Use code Alley. Check out that's good ranchers.com code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far. If it sounds like my voice is about an octave lower than what it typically is, that is because I'm hoarse for some reason. I don't really know why. I don't feel sick. I just have kind of lost

Starting point is 00:01:10 my voice over the past couple of days. So hopefully I will be able to get through this episode just fine. But bear with me if I maybe have to talk a little bit slower or rely on producer Bree a little bit more. I don't need to apologize for that, though. Y'all love when I include Bree in the conversation. Before we get into the topics that we're going to address today, just a couple of things. A reminder, we've got no show tomorrow for July 4th. I hope that you enjoy the day with your families. I have always loved. being an American. I am so grateful to be an American. I am so grateful that I was not born anywhere else. That's not to say other countries are bad or that being born in another country

Starting point is 00:01:53 is some kind of misfortune. But I think that we can all acknowledge that we who were born in the U.S. have been afforded particular blessings for which we can be so incredibly grateful. I love the foundation of this country. I love the ideas upon which this country was founded. I love so much of our history that really does make America exceptional. I know that there has been a war against that idea that America is special, that we have anything uniquely good about us or about our founding. But that war really is so misguided. There's also been a battle against this idea that we should put our country and the interests and the well-being of our country first. You've probably seen a lot of professing Christians fight against that idea, saying that it is arrogant, that it is against the kingdom of God, that because the church of God includes people of all different kinds of cultures and countries, that we should not put America first.

Starting point is 00:03:06 But let us just remember that God gave us countries. He gave us borders. He gave us governments. He gave us laws. The languages, the cultures, the differences that we have among people groups are not in and of themselves bad things. They provide order in this life that we need to survive and thrive. This idea of being a global citizen of putting the interests and the needs of everyone. everywhere at the same level. It's just an impossibility that actually creates a lot of disorder, a lot of chaos. That's why I'm against open border liberal immigration policy because it causes disorder. It causes chaos. It's actually not compassionate at all. It harms the most vulnerable, the very people we say that we are trying to help when we open up the border. And so I am unapologetically, a Christian who is so thankful to be born in America and to say that, yes, I care about the well-being and the interests of the American people before the well-being and the interests of other countries. Yes, all people are made in the image of God. Yes, the kingdom of

Starting point is 00:04:27 God is made up of all kinds of people. And when we get to the other side of eternity, we will be linking arms with our brothers and sisters in Christ of all different skin colors and of all different kinds of backgrounds. And that above anything else, of course, is our highest allegiance, is our utmost citizenship, if you will, our greatest alliance. Of course that is true. But here in this life, which matters because we are in a physical, temporal context right now that God has providentially placed us in, we have to care about the country, the state, the communities in which God has purposely put us. We care about the politics of our communities and country. We care about the interests and the needs of our fellow citizens because, again, God has placed us here,

Starting point is 00:05:23 not arbitrarily, not accidentally, but on purpose. You are on this tiny spot of, of the universe, this tiny speck of eternity right now for a reason. So are your children and so are your children's children, just as Israel, as exiles. In Jeremiah 29, we're tasked with making the world around them better, the community around them better while they were in exile. So Christians who are exiles in this life are called to make the world around us better to make it better than how we found it once we leave. Part of that is absolutely politics. What do we always say politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

Starting point is 00:06:11 People matter to God and therefore people matter to us. And so just remember that as we hear this very vague, morally relativistic language from a lot of professing Christian. that we don't need to care about politics, that that's so-called empire or Christian nationalism, that we shouldn't involve ourselves at all, and that none of this really matters all that much because Jesus is coming back. Jesus is absolutely coming back, praise God, but he's not here yet. He's not here yet. Okay? We are here in this life. We've got work to do. And God is sovereign over all of it. political wins are not our number one priority because we know Jesus has the victory in the end, but what are we tasked to do for his glory?

Starting point is 00:07:06 Doing the next right thing in excellence with faith and for the glory of God. Doing the next right thing with faith in excellence and for the glory of God. I kind of change up the preposition sometimes, but it's all the same spirit. So all that to say, happy 4th of July. There's a lot of good, bad, and ugly in America, but let's thank God for the good and celebrate our friends and our family and the freedom that we have to express our faith tomorrow and going into the weekend. Also, we will have replay episodes next week, Monday and Tuesday. Just FYI on that, we're taking a little bit of a break as a team, but we'll have a new episode Wednesday and Thursday of next week. also we've got a new merch drop similar design same designs that you've seen in the past our most

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Starting point is 00:09:57 And it makes sure you have access to all kinds of really cool stuff that only subscribers get. All right. I saw this clip going around on acts of Andy Stanley talking about politics in a recent sermon. We've talked about Andy Stanley several times. I know many of you go to his church. There are certainly a lot of people in my life that I love, that I love. I respect so much that go to Andy Stanley's church. I am not trying to, I'm certainly not trying to attack you.

Starting point is 00:10:36 And I'm not even trying to attack Andy Stanley. Sorry, just lost my voice a little bit. I'm not trying to attack Andy Stanley. When he says something publicly that seems pertinent to the things that we talk about on this show, I think it's really important to respond to it. Look, he's got a ton of influence. He's got a ton of influence in Atlanta. He's got a ton of influence nationally.

Starting point is 00:10:59 He's one of the most popular pastors, speakers in the world. And understandably so. The guy is one of the best, most articulate communicators in the game, in the world, I think. And so I understand why he has, how he has grown the church that he has. But in recent years, he has become more political. He has become more outspoken about right, left, social. justice. He was outspoken in the COVID era. He has also been very outspoken about how the church treats the quote unquote LGBTQ community will include a couple past episodes that we've done

Starting point is 00:11:42 in response to things that he has said that I think are just absolutely unbiblical and dead wrong. And I want to do the same thing today. I think it's really important to point out what I see as error in what he is saying here. And so we've got two different clips from his sermon that we are going to play. You can go listen to, watch the whole sermon. Okay, I would love for you to do that. Our desire is never to take anything out of context, to misconstrue, to misrepresent, anything anyone says. That does not help me at all to do that. I don't want to do that. I, of course, have never been perfect in that. There are times that have gotten it wrong, but that is never my intent. So I want you to go watch the entire sermon for the full context. Nothing that we have pulled as a clip today is

Starting point is 00:12:33 decontextualized in the sense that it is misrepresenting his entire point. So just FYI there. And just also another FYI, a lot of you ask me, what is SOT? What does SOT mean when I say SOT 11, SOT 12, or whatever it is? Sound over tape. And so that's just a term that people have used for a very long time to call for a clip. And it just helps the people back there know exactly what clip I'm calling for rather than them trying to guess based on the context of what I'm saying. So that to say, let's play SOT 11. If I named the people who are saying these things, you've heard of most of them. You've read some of their books. That you can't be a Christian and be a Democrat. You can't be, you can't possibly be a true Christian if you're a Democrat, which is absolutely,

Starting point is 00:13:24 absurd. But what's even more absurd is as conservative Christians, Republicans, demonize Democrats, all Democrats, and you can't possibly be a Christian. As they demonize Democrats, they basically go against one of Jesus' primary teachings. Instead of loving their enemies, all these lost Democrats, they demonize them. Okay. I have no idea if he is talking about me or this show or who exactly he has talked about, but I have seen some people say that I have said that, that I have said, you can't be a Christian and be a Democrat. What I have said many, many times very explicitly is that, of course, our partisan affiliation is not what gets us into heaven. It's not what sent us to hell. Jesus is not checking our voting records at the pearly gates.

Starting point is 00:14:19 Of course, I have never ever said that, and I have been very clear about that, that your political affiliation, praise God, is not salvific. What I have said is that progressivism and Christianity are at every point at odds. They're at odds. Progressivism is its own opposing ideology and religion with its own theology, its own satiriology, its own eschatology. And once you understand the roots of progressivism, the tenets of progressivism, the goals of progressivism, you begin to see that. It's not just a subset of politics that Christians can choose from, at least they can't choose from progressivism and be aligned with scripture. Now, that is not to say that every Republican policy is explicitly supported by the Bible,

Starting point is 00:15:30 or that Republicans are all the representatives of Christianity and sound Christian doctrine. I have certainly never said that. But I say that where republicanism, where conservatism in America today gets it wrong, is that they are not nearly conservative enough when it comes to things like marriage, when it comes to things like immigration, for example. I actually think that they should be a lot more conservative, if that's even the adjective that you want to use on those issues. The problem that I have with the Republicans today is not that they are too far right,

Starting point is 00:16:10 is not that they are too conservative. It's that they are not conservative enough. They are actually too liberal. I would say, and too squishy on most issues. So I certainly don't think that Republicans are perfect, but typically what you hear from what I call like the mushy middle and evangelicalism is that, oh, Republicans and Democrats are both bad. And Republicans are way too extreme on the right and Democrats are way too extreme on the left. And we really need to be somewhere that's more independent, somewhere that's more centrist, somewhere that's more in the middle. We should take some

Starting point is 00:16:43 Democrat policies and take some Republican policies. That is where Christian should be. We should get out of this dichotomy, get out of this binary, take policies from both sides. And, you know, Tim Keller, who I really respect and in a lot of ways and who I learn from a lot while he was alive, he talked about this a lot, that it seemed that that should be the Christian position, that kind of like third way of taking things from the right and the left. Look, I also think Christians exist out of America's political binary of Republican and Democrat, but it's not because we should be in the middle of them, in my view. It is actually because we are way more conservative, according to scripture, than the current Republican Party. Of course. Like, we are going to

Starting point is 00:17:35 have a staunch view on marriage and sexuality, even on things like freedom of worship, freedom of religion, maybe even on things like immigration, that mainstream Republicans aren't going to have. Now, is there room for good faith disagreement on some issues that are political in America today? Yes, I do. I think that there can be good faith disagreement on economic issues, even good faith disagreement on the right immigration policy. I think that there can be some good faith disagreement on like what law enforcement looks like in what ways the justice system functions. Again, I would say those disagreements have a limited scope. But I absolutely think that two Christians who believe that the Bible is

Starting point is 00:18:34 inerrant and authoritative and should inform our worldview, should inform how we see political and social issues can disagree in good faith on some of those things. But some of some things Christians cannot in good faith disagree on. We just can't. We cannot in good faith disagree on abortion. We cannot in good faith disagree on the definition of gender as male and female and the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. These are Genesis 1 existential issues explicitly covered in scripture and us advocating for the positions that God very clearly articulates in his word. Remember what God designs. He also defines. It is not within our authority to define them either legally or not in any other way. Advocating for those.

Starting point is 00:19:33 positions is not pushing a theocracy as we've, you know, as we've addressed many times. And I'm not saying he's saying that, but just to kind of push back against what I know that, you know, some of you might be thinking out there. It is simply to do what Christians have always done. That's one. But also to do what everyone else is doing. Everyone brings their full belief system to the voting booth, to the school board meeting, to the, to the curriculum writing, to their job, to their government position. Secular progressives do that every day. They're pseudo-religious tenets of what gender is and having some kind of gendered spirit that is different than your biology. Their beliefs about even the climate and economics and the oppressed versus oppressor, many of those

Starting point is 00:20:22 are not found in fact. They're found in belief. They're found in a faith that they have. They bring the full scope of their faith to every part of the public sphere. And yet Christian can are told that we are the only ones that cannot do that or else we are theocratic fascists. Again, that's not what Andy Stanley said here, but many people who kind of share the sentiment that he just shared say that kind of thing, that, okay, we can believe these things personally as Christians, but we don't have to vote in accordance with what God's word says about abortion or gender or marriage. What? Look, if you go to Genesis 1-1, which is possibly the most controversial verse in the Bible that God created the heavens and the earth. If God created it,

Starting point is 00:21:05 he has the authority over all of it, not just this compartment over here, not just this compartment over there, but all of it. Jesus is king is a holistic, all-encompassing statement. And we can still believe in the freedom of religion. We can still believe in freedom of speech and bring our worldview, God's definitions, God's design into how, we interact politically, how we engage politically, actually we have to. Because if we believe that God is good, then we believe that his design, that his definitions lead to human flourishing. If God is love, as 1 John 4.8 says, then am I really being loving if I disagree with him, either privately or publicly, politically, politically or personally on the definition of marriage,

Starting point is 00:21:57 on the definition of gender, on the dignity of life inside the womb? Of course not. The most loving thing we can do at all times, privately or publicly, personally or politically, is agree with God. It's agree with God. And on some very basic fundamental things. Like, should the baby inside of the womb have a legal right not to be murdered, Christians cannot in good faith disagree with that.

Starting point is 00:22:28 And what I mean by that is, sure, you could have two people identifying as Christians who say, well, I'm politically pro-choice or I'm politically pro-life. Of course, that is a physical possibility. But the person who says, I'm politically pro-choice is wrong. They're wrong. They are in an unbihical anti-Christian position. Now, can I say that that person is going to hell because of that? That's not what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:22:52 But I would say that that position probably speaks to a much deeper issue of their faith and of their understanding of the Word of God. Same thing if someone says, yeah, you know, I think it's totally fine to call a man she. I think it's fine. If men are going into women's bathrooms and playing in girls' sports, I, you know, I think that's okay. We're just called to love. I think it's totally fine to redefine marriage and cause an epidemic of fatherlessness. and motherlessness in the name of tolerance and empathy. And that person calls themselves a Christian.

Starting point is 00:23:30 Sure, it is possible for that person to call themselves a Christian and believe those things. It is possible that they are on a road to sanctification, that they are really saved, but God hasn't gotten rid yet of those false beliefs that they hold. But that person is wrong. They're wrong. Okay? Like, we should be able to say that. It's not this relativistic.

Starting point is 00:23:52 world in which the right and the left are equally wrong and Republicans and Democrats are equally bad. No, that is a cop out. Okay, that's a cop out. It's not that nuanced. Some things are nuanced, but so many people use this word nuanced as a cover for being confused. If you're confused, just say that. If you're ignorant of the issues, just say that. It's not that nuanced. It's not so nuanced to the point to where you just pull yourself out of politics altogether and say, well, it doesn't really matter. That's how evil flourishes. That is how evil has always flourished throughout history.

Starting point is 00:24:29 Think about our guests yesterday, who spoke up so courageously against the transgender, quote-unquote, care happening to children on the taxpayer dime illegally in the state of Texas. That is a Christian who has carried the 2,000-year Christian tradition of raising. a respectful ruckus for the things that matter. And there are some Christians who would have called her divisive. There are some Christians who I guarantee you, if she would have asked them, would have said, no, you know what? Just be a quiet presence in your job. No, no. Just be winsome. Just be nice to the people working with you. And somehow that'll finagle them into understanding of the gospel one day. It's okay because this is your professional life. This is one, compartment where you don't really need to invite the truth of God in. It's fine. Just be nice to

Starting point is 00:25:24 those doctors that are prescribing cross-sex hormones to teenage boys and chemically castrating them. But that's not the Christian tradition. That's not the baton that has been given to us by the martyrs, by the Christians who have pushed back against the ideologies in power for years and years and years. Both sides are not the same. They're not equal. And while I don't think it's right to say no Democrat is a Christian, I don't think that's right.

Starting point is 00:26:00 That's why I've never said that. I also think that we can say unapologetically that a platform that holds to the belief that killing a baby through all nine months for any reason on the taxpayer dying is evil. I think we can say unabashedly, unapologetically, that the platform that believes that a man can become a woman, that a boy can become a girl, and vice versa, and is currently taking children out of their parents' custody when the parents don't go along with us. I think we can say that's evil. The side that is allowing two men to buy. eggs to rent a uterus, to raise motherless children for the first time in history, I think that

Starting point is 00:26:55 we can say that that's evil. The side that is encouraging, enabling, exacerbating lawlessness in the name of social justice by putting in place judges and prosecutors who will not enforce the law, the side that is refusing to enforce immigration law, refusing to close the border, exacerbating child sex trafficking, and all kinds of preventable crimes, I think we can say that's evil. I think that's okay. Let's not be so nuanced that we call evil good and good evil or at the very least call evil neutral. It's not. All right, we've got another clip to play from Andy Stanley. I've got a lot to say. All right, here is Zott 12th. You study history. All that has to happen in any country is for a majority to decide a

Starting point is 00:28:06 minority is evil. And once they're evil, they're cockroaches and their rats. And once they're evil, the only thing to do with evil, you don't redeem evil, you don't share your faith with evil. You get rid of evil. That language is so extraordinarily harmful. Okay. The agenda, the platform is evil. It is. Also, Democrats are not a minority in this country, as he says in this clip. Now, maybe he means a Christian to identify as Democrats are a minority in this country, but Democrats are not a minority in this country. They are right now a tyrannical majority, wielding. nearly all institutional power. And it is with the full force of their power that they routinely target, demonize, intimidate, and silence those who don't go along with their agenda. Refuse to bake the cake? You get 10 plus years of lawfare against you and your family. You'll remember, Jack Phillips, he politely declined to create a wedding cake celebrating same-sex, so-called marriage in 2012.

Starting point is 00:29:25 The Colorado Civil Rights Commission found that Jack violated civil rights law. His case went all the way to the Supreme Court. It ruled in his favor in 2018. But guess what? Right now he is still fighting harassment in court. He has had several lawsuits come before him as the left is waging lawfare against him, trying to get his business to be shut down because he will not make cakes celebrating a so-called gender transition. He won't even make a cake celebrating Halloween. That is how

Starting point is 00:30:01 dedicated he is to his beliefs and using his artistic talent to glorify God as he sees fit. And yet the left has been after him for more than a decade trying to bring him to ruin simply because he held to his beliefs. What happens when you, as a conservative Christian, blow the whistle on doctors, illegally chemically castrating children at the biggest hospital, children's hospital in the country. The FBI shows up at your door. Vanessa Sivich, the woman we had on yesterday, the nurse at Texan's Children's Hospital. She exposed the hospital for using Medicaid to fund cross-sex treatments and performing so-called gender-affirming procedures contrary to Texas law. FBI showed up at her door, told her that,

Starting point is 00:30:54 She wasn't safe unless she went along with their investigation to expose the original whistleblower of what was going on at Texas Children's. What happens when you're a pro-lifer who stands in front of the entrance of a clinic where babies are murdered? You get prison time. The Biden, DOJ, recently charged and sentenced 10 people, including a grandmother, a 70-plus-year-old grandmother in poor health. for federal conspiracy against rights and freedom of access to clinic entrances that's known as the Face Act for peacefully standing in front of the entrance of a clinic where babies are being murdered. They are in prison for that under the Biden DOJ.

Starting point is 00:31:44 What happens when you confront the local school board about boys assaulting girls in girls' bathrooms. The Department of Justice under Joe Biden labels you a terrorist. You'll remember that in October 2021, Attorney General Merrick Garland wrote a memorandum directing the FBI and U.S. Attorney's offices to investigate a quote-unquote disturbing trend of alleged harassment and threats to school boards. This was by the direction of a teacher's union who said that their school board members were being harangued and harassed by parents who were simply articulating their concerns about boys in girls' bathrooms and the straight-up pornography that was in their children's classrooms. If you, as a conservative Christian or even just concerned parent, you sound the alarm on that

Starting point is 00:32:40 you are labeled by the Department of Justice a terrorist. What happens when you offer pregnant women free resources and information about adoption. Your clinic gets firebombed. Remember that? After the Dobbs decision was released, when Roe v. Wade was overturned between May and October of 2022, more than 100 crisis pregnancy centers, pro-life organizations and pro-life churches were attacked. Some more than once following the leak of the Dobbs decision, at least 38 churches and 58 pro-life clinics across the country have been firebombed, smashed, ransacked, or vandalized with pro-abortion graffiti and threatening messages. What happens when you refuse to get an experimental vaccine that violates your conscience?

Starting point is 00:33:34 No kidney transplant for you. Do you remember the parents of Yulia Hicks? She was a 14-year-old. Her parents came on. this podcast. They didn't want their daughter to get the COVID vaccine. And so she was refused by Duke University Hospital, a life-saving kidney transplant. Also, Lalani Lutali, she was also denied a kidney transplant by Colorado health system because she refused to get the vaccine for religious reasons. That was October 2021. What happens when you as a parent, as we have a parent, as we have

Starting point is 00:34:12 already noted, we've had several of these parents on this podcast when you as a parent, disagree. When your child says, yeah, I know that I was born Sally, but I want to be Jack. I want to go on testosterone. I want to get my healthy breasts cut off. What happens to you, Christian conservative parent? The state shows up at your door and takes your child away. Same thing happened to Yalei Martinez in California. What happened to Yale? After the state took custody of her when she decided that she wanted to be a boy and her mom wouldn't go along with it, she committed suicide. Conservative Christians are routinely met with the most vile name calling and threats you can imagine.

Starting point is 00:35:04 We are routinely depicted by the media as stupid and selfish as. as killers of grandma because many Christian conservatives didn't believe in the constitutionality or the science behind mask mandates or vaccine mandates. We're routinely accused of being a terroristic threat and the sole obstacle standing in the way of the survival of democracy. we were, especially during the Trump era, routinely called Nazi racist. So don't give me this nonsense about Democrats, whose agenda is, again, objectively evil, being the victims. Don't do it. I'm not buying it. Who is routinely castigated, criticized, and condemned, and belittled, told that we are just panicking.

Starting point is 00:36:13 We're spreading division and fear and paranoia about things. Oh no. The legalization of gay marriage isn't going to lead to other kinds of depravity and debatery? Of course not. That's just a slippery slope fallacy. Sounds like more people. should have listened to Christian conservatives then. Maybe more people should be listening to us now. All right. On that note, let's see just how far our country has slipped since we have accepted

Starting point is 00:36:48 sexual depravity and sexual immorality as not just the norm, but a thing that is worth celebrating and glorifying. And even unfortunately and very disturbingly, and even unfortunately, and very disturbingly, including children in. So Pride month is over. Thank the Lord. Pride month is over. But I want to talk about some things that are really taboo that, you know, we've obviously talked about what the Bible's got to say about sexual immorality, the definition of marriage, the definition of gender many times. No one could ever accuse this show of being cowardly or trying to soften the truth at all when it comes to that, all glory to God, by the way, for any honesty that anything that is true that has ever been shared on this show. But there is some territory that we haven't really

Starting point is 00:37:44 gone into before. And, you know, I think some of the best insight that I've gotten into any lifestyle that glorify is sexual promiscuity or sexual immorality is from Beckett Cook, Christopher Yuan because they are people who have now become Christians and have repented of the sin of homosexuality. But they did live that life for a long time. And they know exactly what it is like. And it is taboo even among conservative Christians to say some of the things that they have said. And I think it's important. I think it's important to highlight what, for example, Beckett Cook has said, that when he was living as a gay man in the on the gay scene, if you will, he has said that that life, for the most part, for the most part, centered itself on sex and drugs, on sex and drugs and lust and parting and promiscuity, that the moral limits are very blurred.

Starting point is 00:38:56 I think we think of modern family and we think, well, that's, you know, that's exactly what it's like. And they are two people who essentially have the same, you know, sexual values that we do. They just have a different orientation. And while that may be true sometimes, I don't think that is generally characteristic of what the LGBT TQ lifestyle entails, honestly. And if we look at some of the pride parades that occurred over the past month, I think that we see that very obviously. Now, I do think that pride was more subdued this year. There could be a variety of reasons for that.

Starting point is 00:39:47 We explored it on a previous episode. I think it's a good thing. But the debauchery that happens at pride parades is still on display. And I think it's just important to think about, like, are there any pride parades that you've either attended? I've never attended one or that you've ever seen footage from that is just a normal parade like other people have, celebrating other kinds of things. Every single pride parade that I have seen, I'm not just talking about from conservative reporters. I'm talking about from like, you know, Scott Weiner, who is that state senator in California. like when a leftist post his participation in a pride parade,

Starting point is 00:40:30 what you see is very dark and disturbing and blatant sexuality. Like at the very least, you have almost nude men and BDSM gear. Every little bit of pride footage that I've seen has some kind of blatant outright sexuality with sexual paraphernalia, and weird disturbing interaction with child participants. If it really was, if pride was really just about love, which is what we hear, that it's really just about love, then you would think that the parades would just be like your Fourth of July parade or a parade celebrating homecoming or anything else with some rainbow face paint and some rainbow flags.

Starting point is 00:41:21 If you want people to think that your movement is about love, then maybe your most prominent celebrations should not be demonstrations of pure lust. Because that's what these pride parades are. They are celebrations of pure lust of a kind of depravity and immorality that really should. They should make us sad. They should break our hearts because these are people made in the image of God that are pursuing a lifestyle that harms them physically. Like that's something that's taboo to say, but harms them physically. It's not supposed to work that way.

Starting point is 00:42:02 But also harms them spiritually and mentally and emotionally too. And so we're going to look at some of this in a second. And then I'm going to talk about a tweet that I saw that kind of went viral, really going into some taboo territory. So Taylor Hansen, he is a journalist for tenant media and Savannah Hernandez, a journalist for returning Point USA and post-millennial. They were in San Francisco to cover a recent pride event there. Hanson report, we're not going to play all of the clips, by the way. We are not. Hansen reported that there were naked men marching in the parade, along with law enforcement agencies like the San Francisco Police Department, the ATF, and the FBI, multiple school districts,

Starting point is 00:42:48 and the Boy Scouts of America marched in the parade right past the fully naked men. I'm not even talking about like men in bikinis, which is disturbing in and of itself. I'm talking about full frontal, fully naked men right alongside children. Here is someone. Okay. So we obviously blurred everything there. And so you can't see anything, but you get the idea. There are children there.

Starting point is 00:43:30 And then there are naked men. And let me just tell you the clips. The clips that he posted on Acts were about a thousand times. 1,000 times, even worse than that. If you can imagine, he also confronted a naked guy and asked him, I'm not even going to play the clip, but he asked him, like, do you think it's okay to be naked in front of kids? Like, you wave to the Boy Scouts. Like, is that not weird? And he was like, yeah, if you're not doing anything, it's not necessarily sexual.

Starting point is 00:44:02 They were just there. I was just, you know, interacting with them. I'm again, I'm not going to, I'm not going to play this clip, but just the disgustingness that was going on there. Taylor and Savannah came across the fetish zone where a man, this is, I, again, I think it's just important to know, like, what goes on at these things when we have this like, like rainbow colored glasses on. we need to take them off and we need to see like what is actually happening at these parades. I'm not saying this is characteristic of every single person who identifies as gay. I'm not saying that. But at their most prominent celebrations, this is what's going on, not just in San Francisco, but across the country.

Starting point is 00:44:48 Sadly, this is not the first time that I've seen this reported. But in this fetish zone, there is a pool like kitty pools where these men are laying in. And they are waiting for other men, very disturbing, for us. other men to come along and pee on them, to pee on them. So they are in these kitty pools filled with urine because that is a fetish that they have. Guys, when we go outside of the bounds of what God calls holy sexuality, which is one man, one woman in the context of marriage, anytime we go outside of those bounds, no matter what it is, you are going to find the worst, most disgusting acts of perverseness that you've ever seen. God designed and created the parameters, the definition

Starting point is 00:45:38 of marriage to protect us. That doesn't mean that everyone who goes outside of those parameters will go to the limits like this. But after you get outside of their parameters, there really are no objective limits. It's all really just arbitrary based on tradition, based on culture, based on your own personal desires. But I also don't want it to sound like I am saying that sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is the same as what we're seeing here. Yes, they are both sin, according to God's word. They're both sexual immorality. They can both harm the body and harm the heart.

Starting point is 00:46:12 They are not in accordance with God's design. But homosexuality is uniquely disordered. Because in Romans 1, we see that homosexuality is exchanging the natural desire that men have for women and women have for men for an unnatural disordered. desire for people of the same sex. And when you see something that is unnatural and disordered, you will see, I think, more intense forms of depravity and perverseness. That's why we see the things that we do, things like this at pride parades. And if you want to be mad at me for pointing this out, for talking about this, saying that I am the one putting all of these people in the same bucket. Don't get mad at me for talking about it.

Starting point is 00:47:03 Get mad at them for doing it. Okay. If you don't want to be placed in that bucket in that category, I get that. Like, I wouldn't want to either. And I'm not saying that I am putting you in that same category. But you should be more disgusted and angrier that that is happening, that that is happening again at your most prominent celebrations, then you should be mad at me for talking about it. spoke to San Francisco police officers saying, like, how is this allowed? Like, you're allowing these naked men to be in front of kids. San Francisco police officers said, well, as long as they're not doing anything, as long as they're not, I'm just going to say it, like, as long as they're not masturbating, then apparently it's fine. Police officers also told him there's different

Starting point is 00:47:49 perimeters. I don't know if they meant parameters for that event and or maybe they literally meant perimeter. I don't know. That it was peculiar. battle day. Yikes. Let's pick this one. I don't know. Maybe this is the one to pick. They said it was not on, it was fenced off on public property. And so they couldn't do anything about it. I don't really know. Here's the same thing basically going on in Seattle at Sop 4. And genders focusing on art, self-expression, costuming and togetherness. Seattle,

Starting point is 00:48:33 Seattle furry? Is that what that ended with? Yes, it is. Okay. The furry community. Yes. And please, please just make sure if your child, teenager is in the furries, it's not just stuffed animals, okay? There is, it might not all be sexually perverse, but a large portion of it seems to be. Again, there are kids there. Those were men writing around naked and a parade again. a parade about love, a parade about inclusion and togetherness. Why do men have to be naked?

Starting point is 00:49:12 Why do they have to be naked? Why do there have to be sex toys being sold? Why does there have to be actual sex being had publicly in these parades? I don't think I'm going to play this because it's a little long, but there's also a clip of Megan Rapino, the U.S. soccer player. and she was riding in a car and, you know, celebrating pride. And a reporter came up to her and said, well, you lost against 15-year-old boys. Like your U.S. soccer team lost against 15-year-old boys a few years ago.

Starting point is 00:49:49 Why do you think it's okay for men to be competing against women and for boys to be competing against girls? I mean, you lost to them. Of course, she didn't answer that. But that's good. The event also featured a brick throwing booth. So again, just totally stable people here, where participants could throw bricks at a picture of former president Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. But somehow that's not racist.

Starting point is 00:50:13 Somehow it's not racist when they literally throw bricks at a guy who grew up in the segregated South as a black person. But if we even like say, well, I don't think Nicole Hannah-Jones is. the sharpest tool in the shed. Oh my gosh, you white supremacist. Samuel Alito, you could also throw a brick at them. I guarantee you, this would have been funny. If you had asked the vast majority, or if you had asked the participants who they were throwing a brick at when they were throwing a brick at Samuel Alito, what's his name? Yeah, what's that fellow's name that you're throwing a brick at? I guarantee you 99% of them could not have told you. Along with Texas Senator Ted Cruz, throwing a brick at their picture. Wow, so loving. I love that. Toronto Pride Parade,

Starting point is 00:51:04 a man in a leather thong, approaches kids, sought six. No moral limits. No sexual limits. Sorry, there's like, if you're watching this and I'm like waving, it's because there's a net in here for some reason. No, no limits. No limits. And again, I just ask, like, I'm curious, you can tell me in the comments on YouTube, has anyone ever been to a pride event in recent years where no sexuality, nudity, BDSM were involved? Because even the family friendly, their advertises, family friendly, come on, come all, bring your kids. Even those events that I've seen footage of, at the very least, have fat men in bondage gear or drag queens twerking. And let me just say, let me just say, if you are a parent bringing your kid to a thing like this, what the is.

Starting point is 00:52:09 H.E. Double Hockey sticks is wrong with you. What is wrong with you? That is a dereliction of duty as a parent. You are supposed to protect your child. You are supposed to steward their heart and mind. And this is going to move us. What I'm about to say is going to move us into the next part of this conversation. And then we're going to close out because I know that we're already going a little long today. But I think, and I'd be interested to see if there's data to support this, I think that there is probably a connection between how early a child is introduced to inappropriate sexual themes and sexual content and that child being sexually and gender confused later on in life. I bet the earlier they are introduced to sexuality, the more likely they are to be to be, the more likely they are to be.

Starting point is 00:53:09 very confused about their attractions, about their identity in their teenage and adult years. We already know that there seems to be a big crossover between people who were sexually abused and people who saw pornography at an early age and those who at least are confused about their gender. And so I just don't think that's a coincidence. And I just don't think that's a coincidence. saw this tweet from someone who himself identifies as gay. I've even seen him say that he identifies as transgender. And he is in a relationship with a man. I'm not sure if it's, I'm not sure if they've had a wedding, but he is in a long-term relationship with a man. And he's conservative in many ways. And he said the quiet part out loud that you're really not allowed to talk about when it

Starting point is 00:54:06 comes to this and I'm going to read you his tweet in a second and discuss. So this is from Chad Felix Green on X. He said, and this is, again, this is explicit. He said, every man I had sex with when I was 14, knew beforehand I was 14. LGBTQ culture has no socially imposed boundaries on it. They don't police themselves. They are too consumed with protecting their political causes and shaming right-wing bigots. Teen sex work is the no. norm in LGBTQ centers, trans icons glamorize being prostitutes as teens, and it's viewed as a right of passage. 13 to 17 year olds are a high HIV risk group in this crowd. Progressives view children

Starting point is 00:55:01 as sexual beings and independent from their parents. This is a culture. One protected from scrutiny. Again, this person is gay. He's in a gay relationship right now. This person is not a Christian. He's not saying this from a Christian perspective. He's just saying what he has seen to be true. By the way, not that I follow Milo Yanopoulos, but a few years ago, he said the same thing. And I mean, he was silenced so quick. He said that he said the same thing as a gay man, that he was basically groomed as a teenager. And he said that that's normal for gay men.

Starting point is 00:55:39 I think that's something a lot of people know, but don't want to talk about, that Petirasty is pretty common in this crowd. Now, is that to say that it only happens in this part of the world? Absolutely not. We just got done talking about an evangelical pastor last week that prayed upon a 12-year-old girl and was allowed to remain in leadership for 40 plus years. I'm not afraid to call that out or to call it out wherever it exists. But the point is that this group is very often shielded from scrutiny, that we are not allowed to say that one form of sexual depravity

Starting point is 00:56:19 usually leads to other forms of sexual depravity, too. His thread goes on to say in gay male culture, it's viewed as a kind of social acceptance and kindness. Older men took in teenage runaways, like Harvey Milk, by the way, treating them as adults. Many left-wing gay men recall these first encounters fondly and see themselves as welcoming the next generation

Starting point is 00:56:39 in a sex-positive environment. He says in previous generations when a teenage boy ventured out to cruising areas or gay bars, this was how he found himself in his new community ostracized from normal society, they'll argue. It's become tradition. As left wing progressivism has advanced, quote unquote, sex positive is the new norm. For queer activist, sex is an expression of resistance and social rebellion. Leftwing psychology has fully embraced the sexual child, the autonomy of teenagers. Gay male culture is built on youth, sex, in old. older men as daddies to sons.

Starting point is 00:57:15 Yikes. Trans and drag culture have houses and families with older men as mothers who take in teens in exchange for prostitution. The young boys bring in money and these houses compete against each other in drag events, etc. It is fueled by drugs and sex work. Many trans icons recall their time as teenage prostitutes and the men who taught them with fondness passing on their knowledge and experience to the next generation, all under a cultural

Starting point is 00:57:44 idea that young LGBTQ kids will always be rejected at home, run away, and need a new family. He goes on to talk about gay movies, TV shows, how you even see it, and that. He says, this is why gender queer and this book is gay are so overtly sexual in adult. He says it comes part and parcel with this ideology, with the so-called orientation, with this belief system. The entire culture views children as tiny adults, capable of adult sexual expression and autonomy. I mean, this goes all the way back to Alfred Kinsey. I mean, it goes back further than that. Like, if you look at homosexuality in ancient Rome, I remember reading in Bill O'Reilly's book,

Starting point is 00:58:30 killing Jesus, what many of the leaders at the time, how they exploited young boys. in their home. This was normalized then. You know what putting into that real fast? Christians saying, no, no, no. Children are not going to be used for exploitation. Didn't just end it in ancient Rome, by the way, children, Christians, rather, in San Francisco at the beginning of the 1900s, when they came in to help the city recover from a flood. They also put an end to the homosexuality that was flourishing there at least for a period of time while they enjoyed so much influence and leadership. This is what Christians are supposed to do. We are supposed to be agents of order, agents of human flourishing. We are supposed to say, yeah, this behavior is bad and harmful and

Starting point is 00:59:23 exploitative. There is a better way and it's God's design. He goes on to say left-wing LGBTQ-sees nothing wrong with adults engaging in explicit sex with minors because they see it as empowering and positive. He said, I sought comfort and understanding from older men hoping to figure out my feelings, but they wanted sex, he says. He says, I traded sex for a moment of affection in the hopes of friendship. Some boys my age went to the gay bar and became part of drag culture, drugs or prostitution. One man told me years later he found my eagerness and youth irresistible. It's so common. Most TV shows featuring a teenage gay boy will have a scene where he meets a strange man for anonymous sex. He says it's not a stereotype or right-wing Christian spreading homophobic

Starting point is 01:00:05 tropes. It's part of how LGBTQ culture expresses itself. So he has a lot more to say in this thread. We won't read the whole thing, but he says the most powerful thing the LGBTQ community could do in the name of protecting LGBTQ youth would be demanding gay men take responsibility and stop all sexual engagement with minors. But he says they won't even admit it's a problem to begin with and will simply claim it is anti-LGBQ hate. Just remember for all people, no matter who you are attracted to, God's ways are better. One man, one woman, the context of marriage.

Starting point is 01:00:54 You are protected from heartbreak. You were protected from STDs. You were protected from predation. God knew what he was doing when he created male and female and marriage. He knew that kids needed a mother and a father. He knew that women and children were protected by the institution of family and marriage. God's moral limits are best. They lead to individual flourishing.

Starting point is 01:01:16 They lead to societal flourishing. Christians have got to be braver in standing up and saying, no, that is wrong. That is wrong. We cannot be blinded by talking. like empathy that refuses to see things as they are. So let us not allow this to be taboo anymore. Yes, love your neighbor. Every single person is made in the image of God. No one is too far gone. We have all fallen short of the glory of God and we need His grace as a gift to be redeemed. But let that not make us cowardly and speaking out against that which is evil. Let us always be

Starting point is 01:01:55 ambassadors of that which is good, right and true. All right. It's all we've got time for today. And like I said, no new episodes coming up until next Tuesday, some replays coming up. We will be back with a brand new episode next Wednesday. Have a wonderful 4th of July and a safe, happy weekend.

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