Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1035 | Katy Perry & the Death of Cringe Feminism | Guests: Rachel Holt & Chris Wallin

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Today, we break down Katy Perry's latest cringeworthy new single, “Woman’s World." Viewers have called out the song and music video for its mixed messages, provocative imagery, and outdated feminism. Despite Perry's claims of satire, fans and critics alike weren't impressed. We dive into the truth about the production and songwriting behind this new song and explore the hypocrisy surrounding it. Later in the episode, we hear from up-and-coming singer Rachel Holt and songwriter Chris Wallin, and they perform their incredibly moving new pro-life country song titled, “I Was Gonna Be," as well as their upcoming song "Ammunition."  Find Rachel & Chris' music: https://basterecords.com/pages/artists/rachel-holt Get your tickets for Share the Arrows: https://www.sharethearrows.com/ Pre-order Allie's new book: https://a.co/d/4COtBxy --- Timecodes: (00:40) Intro (04:43) Katy Perry’s trash song (12:20) The problem with the song (20:24) Comparison to Taylor Swift (27:48) New dinosaur just dropped (35:57) Interview with Chris & Rachel (41:56) Performance --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — go to GoodRanchers.com and subscribe to any box to unlock their exclusive prime week savings, no promo code needed.  Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code ALLIE50 for $50 off your order of $100+ at carlyjeanlosangeles.com. Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". We Heart Nutrition — nourish your body with research-backed ingredients in your vitamins at WeHeartNutrition.com and use promo code ALLIE for 20% off. --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 1015 | Abortion Colonialism: How the West Blackmails the Third World | Guest: Dr. Calum Miller https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1015-abortion-colonialism-how-the-west-blackmails/id1359249098?i=1000658087204 Ep 990 | Taylor Swift’s Blasphemy & Title IX Betrayal | Guest: Kristen Waggoner https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-990-taylor-swifts-blasphemy-title-ix-betrayal-guest/id1359249098?i=1000653375778 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Katie Perry has a new song out that's supposed to be some kind of feminist anthem, but it's really just a flop. We've got to take on this cringe fest on today's episode of Relatable, but we are also showcasing an actually amazing song. We've got Rachel Holt and Chris Wallin here. They are performing their new pro-life song. I was going to be. Make sure you have your tissues. You're going to cry, but it's really, really beautiful and profound. We've got all of that and more on today's episode of Relative.

It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley at checkout for a discount. That's good ranchers.com code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week. Man, oh man, I am just kind of exhausted by the news cycle right now.

Since Saturday, it has been just nonstop. The information that is coming out with every single bit of breaking news. It seems like you're having to interrupt talking about breaking news. news to talk about more breaking news and then you have to interrupt that to talk about more breaking news. It just feels nonstop. I'm curious if y'all feel tired by the news cycle, tired by the just onslaught of breaking news or if you feel like this insatiable hunger to know everything that's going on. I started with the insatiable hunger and now I've kind of crashed. I feel like I've kind of been on adrenaline for the past few days and now I am very tired.

of talking about the news. And so we're going to take a little bit of a break from talking about politics today. I'll just give you a little bit of a summary of everything that's going on. We talked about Monday and yesterday what happened over the weekend with President Trump and also with the announcement of J.D. Vance. We talked about the RNC yesterday. Some of the changes to the Republican platforms, some of the speakers that were platformed at the RNC, what to make of all of that. A lot of you have been asking me, what did I think about the Sikh prayer?

We did talk about that yesterday, so you can go check that out if you want to know my thoughts and analysis on that. And the RNC is continuing. I'll just give you a little update there. It is still going on in Milwaukee. I caught some of the highlights of some of the speeches yesterday.

There's not really that much for me to analyze for you, but there were some really good, powerful speeches. is there was a speech from a mom of a man who was killed in New York City and then his murders were let off the hook by a corrupt prosecutor Alvin Bragg. There was a mom of a young person who was killed by a fentanyl overdose. Of course, that links to the open border policies that are pushed by Democrats. There was a really powerful speech by Nikki Haley coming out in full support of Donald Trump. There was also a powerful speech by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas.

She looks amazing, sounds amazing. She is so well loved by the Republican Party by Trump's campaign because she has been a big supporter of the president since she was press secretary. And also she is just very loved by the people of Arkansas because she's doing an amazing, amazing job. I loved how she bowed. how she balanced. Y'all should go watch the speech. It's a pretty short speech, but it really packed a punch. I loved how she balanced supporting President Trump and encouraging President Trump

talking about his accomplishments and his strength while dovetailing that with what she has accomplished for the state of Arkansas. She did that really, really well. And so there were a lot of great speeches. Of course, there's going to be a lot of disagreement about the new platform of the Republican Party and the kinds of people. that the Republican Party is bringing in to its tent. I have my own complaints about that. But yesterday, as far as a political convention goes, I thought that it was pretty good. And the message from Republicans was pretty strong. All right, that's all I got to say about, that's all I got to say about politics for now. We're going to take a little bit of a break.

We're going to talk tomorrow again about something political, the law that was passed in California regarding kids who are confused about their gender. But today we're going to talk about some pop culture stuff, y'all. We're going to talk about Katie Perry. Katie Perry. Now, this is someone I have not thought about. She has not crossed my mind in a very long time. Actually, I was first reintroduced to her existence when I watched American Idol.

I had not watched an episode of American Idol since, I don't know when that was, when Kelly Clarkson won. 2000? Yeah, I know it was season one, but 2000, 2001? I think so, yeah. I think, okay, if it was 2000, then I would have been in second, third grade, I think. And so I remember calling my friend, I was like sitting on my parents bed and I remember calling my friend on the landline being like, oh my gosh, I still remember that song that she sang in exactly what it looked like. I hadn't watched American Idol since then. And then I watched American Idol since then. And then I watched it a couple months ago when I was reintroduced to Katie Perry. And I was very disappointed to find that the judges on American Idol are now so incredibly positive. They are just so

nice. There's not even anything close to Simon Cowell. Now, I think that there could be a balance between Simon Cowell wanting you to die in front of him on stage and then what we see from the judges now, which is like, oh, you can do no wrong. If you want to carry a tune, that's fine. If you don't, then that's okay, too. And so I think there could be a little bit of a balance. But Katie Perry, she is a judge on American Idol, but that's not all she's doing. She is still singing, y'all. She's still a pop artist. She has a baby now. So I think that's wonderful with Orlando Bloom. But now she's coming out with some trash music. And I'm not saying trash quality necessarily. She does have a beautiful voice, but the values behind the song and then who's behind it,

it's a little disturbing. So she's got a new feminist anthem called Woman's World. And we can't even play you the chorus because it's risque and I'm certainly not asking you to go watch the music video, but I'll just give you a little taste of it. Here's sot 10. Actually, awful. Awful. Like she has a good voice, Bree. She does. I heard it. But with the auto tune and what is a kid? Okay. Let me just. Sexy, confidence, so intelligent. She is heaven scent. So soft. So soft. So strong. So soft. So strong. Like Charmin Ultra. She's a winner. Champion. Superhuman. Number one.

He's a sister. She's a mother. Open your eyes. Just look around and you'll discover, you know, it's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it. It's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it. You better celebrate because baby, we ain't going away. It's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it. Oh, let me just do verse two and then we'll talk about it. Fire in her eyes, feminine divine. She was born to shine, to shine, to shine. Yeah, we couldn't think of anything else that women are born to do. She's a flower, she's a thorn, superhuman number one.

You know you're smart if you're rhyming thorn with one. She's a sister. She's a mother. Open your eyes, just look around and you'll discover, you know it's a woman's world. Bree, you like music. What did you think about this song? I'd just like to note that it took five people to write this song. Yeah.

Well, when you're rhyming Thorn with one, and when women are born to shine and to shine, and also to shine? Also to shine. That takes five people. They workshopped that one for sure. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

Do you think Katie Perry? Did she have a hand in writing this? She's a co-writer, but I have a feeling that she just bought the song. Like they had already written it. And she bought it, which is what a lot of pop stars do. Do you think it's catchy? Because sometimes the lyrics are stupid.

Yeah. But it's catchy. Okay, like for example, sometimes a 32-year-old mama here will just go on the, you know, hot charts on Spotify, whatever it's called. And just like listen to some of the songs so I can like understand what the kids are listening to these days. So I have heard of someone named Sabrina Carber. What? Carter. Sabrina Carter.

Carpenter. Carpenter. That's why I got it wrong. Oh, I'm too old for this. Okay, Sabrina Carpenter. Thank you for the correction. And her lyrics are silly, but really catchy. Like I could, I probably only listened to it once and I could probably sing you that please, please, please song. Yeah. Yeah. So do you think this song is catchy like that even though the lyrics are like, I don't know. room temperature IQ. Okay, so I don't, I think that, I think it's catchy because it's been stuck in my head for days. Okay. Specifically that first part. Wow, I've already forgotten what it sounds like. Well, see, you're going to hear it like a couple times on the radio or something and it's not going to leave your head. Do you listen to the radio?

Do you listen to the radio? No, I don't. That's something people say, though. Okay. But, no, it's super catchy, but I don't think it's catchy in the way that I'm like, oh, I want to listen to that again. Yeah. It's just stuck in there. Yeah. Yeah. Like catching a cold. That kind of thing. Something that you don't want, but you're like, I can't stop coughing. Doesn't it kind of seem like it was written by AI? I wouldn't be surprised if it was and they didn't even copy edit it. They're like, no, this is good. Yeah. Okay. Well, the media has something to say about this and about Katie Perry in general. And there's also some background to the song. We're not just talking about the song because it's bad. There's a.

Some interesting aspects of the song that people are pointing out and who wrote it and all that. Okay, Bree, can you tell us this woman's world song that's supposed to be a feminist anthem that's supposed to make you and I feel really empowered? Who wrote this song and why is that significant? Yeah, so there were six writers actually and five, four of them are men. Oh. So more than half are male for a woman's world. Also, outside of the writers, the music video, which we can talk more about, was all the producers on it were male. The choreographer was male.

The producers of the song, the three male producers, three male producers. So there are women that worked on it too, but the majority of the people who worked on this song are male. Is it Scooter Braun a part of this? No, it's Dr. Luke. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Dr. Luke. And he was the one that Kesha accused of sexual abuse, right? Yeah. And other women, too.

Yes, other women too. And it's like pretty serious allegations too. Yeah. And so on this feminist anthem, not only is it mostly headed up by men, also by a pretty credibly accused sexual abuser. Yep. This feminist anthem. And a lot of people are pointing this out online, that this is just very hypocritical.

Yeah. This is originally why when she teased the song, people already were giving it flack because she produced it. Because Dr. Luke produced it. Yeah. Yeah. He was in the news a couple years ago because of the Kesha thing. Right. Yeah.

You would just think that she would have been able to find someone who wasn't accused. of sexual abuse or just find a woman. Are there no women in this women's world that can produce this? Okay, well, the cut has a personal vendetta, it seems like, against Katie Perry. I saw this post the other day. I don't even know if I follow the cut, but Instagram decided to show it to me. And the cut is an outlet, an online news outlet, and it discusses pop culture. And here's the title of the article, Katie Perry is stuck in 2016, which explains why the pop stars album rollout has been so confusing. This caption just goes in, just goes in on Katie Perry. I don't even know why. But here's what the caption says. We used to know who Katie Perry was. Over a decade ago,

in the aftermath of the Great Recession, Perry satisfied our national appetite for youth, frivolity, and hedonism. So true. Who is Katie Perry now? Most of all, she's a 2010's relic. Well, Katie's back. And everything about the rollout for her new album, 143, wreaks of desperation. What the streams reveal, vacant lyrics, ill-advised guests, very obvious samples, an album that will almost certainly flop. What people want from Katie Perry's fantasy, escapism, woman's world, the lead single out the day comes off so forgettable, so cringe that it overshadows the blatant hypocrisy of having an alleged predator, produce it. Dang. Dang. Dang. There are some other quotes from the article. She says, she's a proud liberal who wears persist arm bands to the Grammys and remains committed to empowerment politics. Even though it's integration into her music,

purposeful pop as she branded it, precipitated her plunge. Duh, because as this person noted, people want escapism. People don't want politics from someone like Katie Perry. Most of all, she's a 2010 relic,

a faded pop star frantically attempting to clamor back to relevant, only to be thwarted by her inability to tell up from down. Oh my goodness. Did you know that she also released an album during the pandemic? Probably not. That's so true. I didn't know that. Perry is like Barbie and Barbie land. Stuck in La-Di-da dimension in which Hillary Clinton is still the Democratic presidential nominee. Male tears, mugs, make bank on Etsy. And the most transgressive thing a celebrity can do is sing fight song. Oh my goodness. Do you remember that, Bree? Oh, yeah. I still listen to it. Whenever I see it on X, it pops up every few months. I listen to it. I watch the whole thing. People don't might not know what I'm talking about. It's like a montage of all these different celebrities, some who can sing and some who can't.

Singing the different lines of fight song in support of Hillary Clinton. Never forget. Yeah, 2016 is when that came out. I'm still just trying to calculate how in the world. world she lost after that. I know. It had to be Russia. I know. I can't believe they haven't tried it since. Yeah. I mean, if you have Jesse Tyler Ferguson singing fight song, it had to be Putin. Yeah. They got Trump elected. I just, I don't know. I don't know what else to make of that. But I think this is actually such an accurate read on this song. This like, oh, I'm woman, hear me roar. And it's interesting to hear this from a liberal perspective that they, understand that that's not where we are anymore, that that brand of liberal is actually very cringe. And I know that Katie Perry is not even trying to be a part of this whole conversation, but my husband and I have been talking about how conservatism is changing, like the right,

the left, the dynamics are shifting to where the right now encompasses a lot of people, includes a lot of people that are considered by the mainstream. Cool. And I'm talking like bar stool kind of conservatives. And so you've got like the Dave Port noise. You've got the, what's that guy, Logan, Paul? Logan Paul. I don't know if you consider him cool, but he's like pro Donald Trump. I mean, obviously he has a big platform.

I'm not saying that they call themselves conservative, but they're not liberals. Like, or they don't consider themselves liberals. We've got this kind of like new, edgy, secular, probably still liberal socially, UFC, Theo Vaughn type people who now are kind of like a subset of the right, whether they call themselves that or not. And this like Hillary Clinton fight song, I'm Woman, Hear Me Roar brand of liberalism is seen now as really cringe and dorky. Yep. Which is why I think you even have a lot of Gen Z, especially Gen Z males being like, oh my gosh, like feminism and all that stuff. It's just so lame. And Trump is almost seen as cool now, which is such a shift. Yeah. Do you see that? Oh, yeah. I mean, especially due to the events of the past couple weeks. Well, his being indicted, but also the shooting, obviously. He just keeps doing. things that people are like, okay, I kind of see it now. And we talked about, I think it was yesterday,

that people are like starting to be less and less ashamed to wear MAGA hats in public, which is crazy. In San Francisco. San Francisco. So I definitely do see it. I was kind of surprised to see like someone on the left call this cringe. I was, but it is. So I guess we're all seeing it. Yeah. And I wonder, I do wonder if this song was written like in 2016. Yeah, true. And She was just like, this is a pop song and I'm going to release it now. And she just totally was like blind to it. Yeah. I don't know.

Okay. I'm going to do something that is maybe a little bit dangerous. I want to have an objective conversation. Can we do that YouTube audience? Can we have an objective conversation about Taylor Swift for a second? No. Okay. We're not talking about anything.

We are not even talking about any personal support of Taylor Swift. Swift. Okay. So you can all still hold your views about her being a witch and all of that. That's fine. I think that we can objectively say though, and Bree is saying this objectively too, anyone can say that she has become a lot more successful than Katie Perry. And so it's interesting to think how she has somehow grown her popularity and she has kind of grown with the times while also still trying to infuse her liberalism, sometimes overtly, sometimes subtly, into her music.

And yet she has continued to skyrocket. And most people, I mean, the people who love her, of course, don't see her as cringe. Although when she does talk politics, it is super cringe. But somehow she's been able to find that balance. And someone like Katie Perry hasn't. She hasn't been able to find that balance.

I just think that's interesting. I don't even know what exactly it is. but I don't know when Taylor Swift does it it's like interesting and people still want to listen to the music when Katie Perry does it it's like ugh

well I will say I mean clearly Taylor Swift is a better writer just in general than probably anyone who wrote this song but in I think it was 2017 maybe it's 2019 when she came up with the song The Man

which I was thinking about when I listened to this which is a stupid song she's saying if I was a man I was be more successful. It's like you're the most successful person in the world. So no, it's not true. It's like when Beyonce is saying, if I were a boy. Yeah. Well, it's also specifically with Taylor Swift, she's famous because she was relatable to girls. So it's actually the opposite of true. But if she released that now, I think she would get the same, the same reaction. I mean, I think it's maybe not as bad of a song. But still, I think she's, I think she's. I think she's,

also learns her lessons. I think people even then were like, this is kind of dumb and not true. And she hasn't done something like that since. I saw that people freaked out the other day because part of, even I know this as someone who doesn't like follow her closely. I saw a clip going around of her concert where she seems to say F the patriarchy. And she was like, oh, they, she has all these children like screaming that. Obviously I'm not condoning like the use of that phrase or that word at all. but that is a part of her song all too well. Yes. I don't know if it's just a part of the 10-minute version or the part of the short version too.

And she's talking about like Jake Dillon Hall, right? Yeah, you know the lore. Wow. I just know Taylor lore. Like his keychain. Yes. Right? And she's saying it was like hypocritical because he had this keychain saying F the patriarchy when really he mistreated her.

Yeah, the whole song is about how she was too young for him and he took advantage. of her and he was awful to her. And yeah, she's referencing the fact that he's a hypocrite for having that on his keychain. So people took that way out of context. And I agree, like, I don't agree with using the phrase at all. There were kids at that concert. The majority of them weren't kids. But, but yeah, the context doesn't matter.

Yeah, it does. Interesting. Interesting. So in this music video, the funny thing is, is that they have women acting like men. Like, they've got women on a construction. site. They've got women peeing in urinals or like pretending to pee in a urinal. And I'm like, okay, wait, why do women have to act like men in order to be powerful? That doesn't even make any sense. What you're saying is that we like you, we have to do things that we literally don't do

in order to be powerful. So it's not actually enough to be a woman and to do the things that are unique to us. We have to have this fantasy where women are working on construction sites. We aren't. That just doesn't happen. I mean, rarely, but I would say it's probably 98% men at least on those construction sites. We're not peeing in a urinal. I don't understand why a urinal has to be a part of this conversation at all. Ed Krasenstein said that the right is triggered because we don't like women peeing in a urinal. Yep, that's why I'm triggered. What else, what other visuals did we have in this music video um well that the construction part is just the first part yeah so and she pulls up a vibrator oh and shows that okay she puts up a like a pill bottle and does a little like

she's doing an an ad read or something so it's i think it's supposed to be kind of like tongue like she's selling vitamins or something oh so i think it's supposed to be like tongue and cheek like instagram culture or whatever. And then the second half of the video is her like walking around in a half like as a cyborg. And yeah. And she goes up to an Instagram influencer and steals her camera and then runs away in a helicopter. Okay. So that's what we've got.

Okay. That's just weird. It's just weird. Hopefully we can start producing better things as a culture, right? And actually at the end of this episode, we are going to hear a song that is part of the better part of the culture, the culture building that is actually going on that is representing really good values. And so we'll get to that in just a little bit. Let's talk briefly, Bree, about this new dinosaur discovery, so-called by the Wall Street Journal. Can we talk about this for a little bit?

Yeah, big news. If anyone is new to this podcast, you might not know that we have consistent conversations about dinosaurs. It's why we've got a little daddy long neck back there. I think that's its official name. That's what they're called, yeah. And then we got, I don't know, is that supposed to be a tricerat? No, no. Triceratops is Baby Bop from Barney.

I don't know what that is right there. It's got the spikes. You can't see it. And then, no, this is triceratop. This is baby bop from Barney. Yeah. The other one is a Stegosaurus. A stagosaurus.

Yeah, I think you're right. It's just so hilarious that we pretend like all of this is scientific knowledge. It is just like listen to us. Listen to these words. Okay. So if you're not, if you have never heard us talk about this, I am skeptical about the depictions of dinosaurs.

I don't doubt that there were very large creatures that existed at one point that we, don't fully know about that probably have gone extinct, but I don't think we know that the dinosaurs looked the way that we say that they do because obviously like skin, hair, fur, we don't have the fossils of those things. And so it's hard for us to know what the scales look like. You think we know that a teradactal sounds the way that you heard it on Jurassic Park? We do not know that. We don't know any of these things. And as I've always said, I think most of the discoveries of dinosaurs, the names, the categories, the depictions of them are the result of a bunch of nerds going into a room and basically manifesting their fantasy in these science books. Okay. So that's kind of just what I think about it. And people get very up in arms when I talk about this. But it seems like every week,

I see a new discovery in the media that makes me even more skeptical about the veracity of the claims of dinosaurs. This is from the Wall Street Journal. We're going to have to put up, can we just put up this image from the Wall Street Journal? Tell me, tell me that this does not come from a fantasy book. You're telling, okay. Newly discovered, newly discovered dinosaur, okay? That in and of itself, new newly discovered dinosaur species rocked Loki S. horns. It roamed the earth, but it invoked a god. A new horns dinosaur revealed by an international

group of paleontologists, sure, sure, sported the most ornate headgear found so far in the fossil record. The group named the plant eater Loki Seratops. I mean, guys, guys, Loki Seratops range of formis for its blade-like horns, which bear an uncanny resemblance to the house. helmet worn by the Norse trickster god Loki. It lived about 78 million years ago. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And the slumps of what is now Montana.

Yeah, right, right. Uh-huh. Yep. Totally. It's skeleton discovered in 2019 was later purchased by the Museum of Evolution in Denmark. Okay. So that's what we got. Scientists first thought the bones belonged to a dinosaur species named Medusa serotops.

There we go. There's another one. But further examination revealed this creature an adult when it died was unlike anything ever encountered. Okay. I just, I don't know, Bree. What do you think? Do you think that this is legit? It's in Montana. And for some reason it went to Denmark. We don't know why. Yeah. Well, that just happened back then, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't. They thought it was something else. Medusa seratops. Yes, a medusa seratops, to be clear. And then they found extra, like, brow bones. And we're like, no, this must be a totally different thing we've never even thought about before.

I don't know. I'm sorry. There's just no way. You know that there's no, like, complete dinosaur fossil. Yeah. Like a full dinosaur's skeleton. What'd you say? I just said they're just putting parts together.

No, they are. they don't know that it's a browbone. And look, the purple and the green. And they have no clue. They have no clue. And if you zoom into this image on the Wall Street Journal, they even have like, okay, maybe it's in water. Okay, so that's interesting.

I was going to say the ground even has dinosaur spikes. If you zoom in closely. So that's apparently what it was like in prehistoric times. So I don't know. I am more skeptical than ever about the existence of dinosaurs. And we, the existence of certain kinds of dinosaurs, okay, don't freak out. I literally, there are like YouTube videos dedicated to us talking about this. I got this long handwritten letter from someone so, so angry and upset that we have questioned

the integrity of paleontology. But I will just continue to keep you up to date, up to date on that. All right. We want to get into this amazing, amazing story. It's an amazing song. And it is sung by Rachel Holt. It was written by Chris Wallen. And it is a pro-life song. They were in the studio yesterday. And they recorded this song, which, as you will hear, is from the perspective of a baby whose mother chose abortion. It's called I Was Gonna Be. I was going to be. and this song is going to bring you to tears. It is contrasted to Katie Perry's dumb song that had no intellectual value, no moral value

whatsoever. This is a beautifully written song that also carries so much meaning and I really think can change hearts and minds. And so make sure that you share it. Make sure that you share it with those in your life. Storytelling is so important. Storytelling through song is so important. That's why these songs and stories shape our culture.

And I think this song that we are about to listen to and about to talk about really has the potential to do that. Chris and Rachel, thanks so much for taking the time to join me. Okay, Chris, you have written literally some of my favorite country songs ever. I grew up on 90s, early 2000s country. I mean, we're talking, Kenny Chesneys, don't blink. I'm trying, Trace Adkins, Toby Keith's love me if you can. Garth Brooks says people loving people, Montgomery Gentry, Speed, something to be proud of. So basically, you specialize in making people cry with your songs.

Is that right? Well, especially when I sing, I make people cry a lot. But, yeah. But, yeah, you know, I grew up loving and writing what I call three-minute movies. and I've always loved that. I think that that's your job as a songwriter is to make someone feel something they weren't expecting to feel before they heard your song. Yes. And how did you get connected with Rachel?

Well, a friend of mine gave me a call and said that you really need to hear this girl. And honestly, I was in the middle of writing. I was going to be when I met Rachel. And I was just writing it for me because I thought no one is ever going to be brave enough to sing this song. So sometimes you write things to just get it out of you, you know. And that's what I was doing. And when I met Rachel, it just clicked. I thought, no, that's who needs to.

And I really hope she likes the song. Yeah. Yeah. And so right in the middle of it, I played it for her, and the rest is history. She loved the song. And she was brave enough to put something like that out. And I'm glad that she was. And before we get to Rachel, because I want to hear about your background and how you got started, tell us a little bit more about the song. Why were you writing I was going to be? Well, you know, the news these days, it's always so one-sided, you know, and there's, you know, there's people that are pro-choice and that is fine, but there's two, there's two souls involved. So for me, it seems like there's, there was only one voice being heard. And so basically I just wanted to, I said this before, give a voice to the voiceless that you never hear. Yes. And Rachel, you are an 18-year-old young woman and you have decided to sing this pro-life song when a lot of people think that it is a very wrong and controversial position stand to take.

When you first heard this song, what did you think? So I actually heard it. My parents were with me. We were just meeting with Chris for the first time. And we were all just stunned. It's definitely a song that just stops you in your tracks. Yes. I mean, it's different than any song.

Yeah, it's sad. It's different than any song I've ever heard. Did you ever have a moment when you were like, you know what? I'm just starting out. I don't know if this is the direction I want to go. Yeah, we talked about it and everything. but honestly, like, what better way to let people know, like, who I am than put a song out like this?

Yeah. Tell me how you got started. So I'm sure you know what bluegrass music is. Yes. My grandpa did bluegrass. Author is life. He actually played at the opera probably like 40 years ago or something. He had a band called The Boys from Indiana. And then my dad started to do bluegrass as well.

And I just grew up at bluegrass festivals. So I was always around music. And then I started listening in the country, and I chose to do that. So I started actually playing the guitar during COVID. It's when I learned. And, of course, I sing in church growing up and stuff, but that was about it. And I started to take it seriously during around COVID. That time started playing shows.

For people who are listening to this song for the first time, they find it impacting them. What do you hope they do? What do you hope they get from it? well i hope that um they go and you know go to i was going to be dot com and it's g-o-n-n-a i was-g-n-a-i-was-gonna-be dot com and and and just download the song and i think nowadays that's the best way to and we we also have merch on bastrecords dot com b-a-s-st-e records.com with rachel with i was going to be that you can also get to to uh support us but just, you know, we're just, we just feel thankful to be part of it, and we hope everybody loves what it says. And if they want to hear you perform somewhere, Rachel, where can they find that information? Mostly my social media.

It's just Rachel Holt Music on Facebook. I post all my show dates on there. All I will say, I don't have any experience myself in music. I just hope that you continue to just be unapologetic. singing these songs that are so unique and are representative, as you said, of people that don't always get the spotlight. They don't always, they're not always included in conversations about compassion, but who is more vulnerable than that helpless baby inside the womb? And you're right, this is a soul, this is a life with God-given dignity and God-given potential. And they were going

to be someone and something. And This is such a beautiful way to communicate that. So without further ado, I would love to hear you guys perform it. Absolutely. Some don't believe I'm a living soul. Just a bad mistake that needs to go. If my mama could have just seen my face, maybe she would have had me anyway. Live for lives that they can't see.

There are some who I will be. born of what I was gone before back to heaven on a starlight fly I was going to change the world I want to be a girl the first thing I was going to do even fall in love with you but a couple of weeks before I saw the when you changed your mind but I was gone before I sat back to heaven or a starlight fly I was going to have some pretty curve gonna be a girl I'm more than just someone I stand or some burden

that you think I am and there ain't no man who's ever gonna be what I was gonna be some don't and so needs to go that was so catchy oh man I didn't want it to stop

it's a good groove to it oh so good it does have a good groove to it I loved that thank y'all so much All right, guys, hope you enjoyed that episode. That was a different one. It was a fun one, a nice little break and obviously just such a beautiful song to close out, close out this episode. So thank you so much for listening and watching. Make sure you sign up for our Share the Arrows event.

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