Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1036 | Amazing News! Son Saved from “Non-Binary” Future | Guest: Harrison Tinsley

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

Today, we're joined by Harrison Tinsley, who recently won full custody of his young son, Sawyer, ensuring his right to raise him in a stable environment free from ideological pressures. Last year, Harrison shared his unbelievable journey, which began with being denied the chance to meet Sawyer until he was over a year old and continued through a contentious four-year custody battle. Harrison highlights the significant ideological differences with Sawyer's mother, who raised him as "nonbinary" and posted about his supposed "gender identity," while Sawyer has consistently expressed that he is a boy. Harrison also shares the beautiful love story of meeting his now-wife while discussing his journey with another podcaster. We will also discuss California Gov. Gavin Newsom's new bill, which bans school districts from informing parents about their children's sexuality, pronoun use, or gender identities that differ from school records. This controversial bill, the first of its kind in the nation, aims to keep parents uninformed while indoctrinating kids with radical gender ideology. Get your tickets for Share the Arrows: https://www.sharethearrows.com/ Pre-order Allie's new book: https://a.co/d/4COtBxy --- Timecodes: (01:13) Gavin Newsom’s awful new bill (08:40) Yaeli Martinez & why this bill is evil (21:04) Harrison Tinsley recap (26:54) Update on custody battle (36:15) CPS reports (38:25) Meeting his wife (46:55) Restraining order --- Today's Sponsors: Patriot Mobile — go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 972-PATRIOT and use promo code 'ALLIE' for free activation! My Patriot Supply — prepare yourself for anything with long-term emergency food storage. Get your new, lower-price Emergency Food Kit at PrepareWithAllie.com. EveryLife — the only premium baby brand that is unapologetically pro-life. EveryLife offers high-performing, supremely soft diapers and wipes that protect and celebrate every precious life. Head to EveryLife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% of your first order today! America’s Christian Credit Union – nationwide personal and business banking for people who still love God and country. ACCU is federally insured by the National Credit Union Administration. Learn more and get started at AmericasChristianCU.com/SWITCH --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 848 | Saving His Son from a 'Non-Binary' Future | Guest: Harrison Tinsley https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-848-saving-his-son-from-a-non-binary-future/id1359249098?i=1000623090048 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Well, Elon Musk has finally had enough of California. He is moving X as well as Space X out of the state and into Texas because of a new law that has been signed by Gavin Newsome that prevents schools from requiring teachers and administrators to inform parents when a child says that they now identify as the opposite gender. We will talk all about that new law today. we are also having a very happy conversation with Harrison Tensley. He is the dad of a young four-year-old son who has been fighting for the custody of this boy because the son's mother has tried to transition the child. And so he will be here with us at the end of this episode to share the wonderful conclusion to that long journey. We've got all of that and more on today's episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. I hope everyone has had a wonderful week. All right, we've got a big episode for you today. Before we get into the conversation with Harrison Tinsley, I want to give you an update on something very scary that is happening in the state of California. Now, those of you who live in California, there are many of you. You are Christians, you are conservatives. You are some of the strongest in these categories that I have met because you are a constantly swimming upstream like human salmon. You are constantly fighting back against the darkness in the state of California, one of the most beautiful states in the union. And you look around, you see your home, and it is being lost in so many ways to the powers of darkness, which in this day and age

typically take on the form of progressivism. And you are pushing hard for what is good, right, and true. And you have been pushing hard against this bill that unfortunately, Governor Gavin Newsom just signed. And it is called AB 1955. And it is titled the Safety Act. They always use these kinds of euphemisms, which actually represent the opposite, which actually the bills themselves are actually the opposite of what is represented by the names that they choose. It's called the Support Academic Futures and Educators for Today's Youth Act. And And it's supposed to sound innocuous. It's supposed to sound highly positive so that most people won't look into it because everyone wants an academic future for today's youth.

Isn't that a good thing? If you're against this, then I guess you're against teaching kids. You're against kids going to school. But of course, that's not really what this bill that is now law is. So here's a summary. This bill would prohibit school districts, county offices of education, charter schools and the state special schools and a member of the governing board or body of those educational entities from enacting or enforcing any policy rule or administrative regulation

that requires an employee or a contractor to disclose any information related to a pupil's sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression to any other person without the pupil's consent unless otherwise required by the law. So this is saying, that a school cannot have a policy that tells the teachers or the administrators or the school counselor that they have to disclose to the parent when a child comes to them and says, yeah, I know I was born Jack, but I'm really Sally. I really want to find a way to get on estrogen, some kind of hormone replacement regimen. Can you help me do that?

And please affirm my new stated gender and call me my new name, call me my new pronouns, but do not tell my. parents. California legislative LGBTQ caucus chair Susan Eggman celebrated saying that the first in the nation policy reaffirms California's position as quote unquote a leader in safe haven for LGBTQ plus youth everywhere. And again, that euphemistic language, it really actually means the opposite, a safe haven for youth everywhere. This actually makes kids extremely, extremely vulnerable as we'll get into in just a second. California attorney and founder slash CEO of the Center for American Liberty said that this is actually an outrageous attempt to keep parents in the dark while schools

indoctrinate kids with radical gender ideology. By signing the bill, Governor Newsom is transferring power away from our local communities and centralizing it in Sacramento, blatantly undermining our democratic values, which of course is absolutely true. The Chino Valley Unified School District has sued the governor saying that the law violates parents' rights. that are protected under the Constitution. Izzy Garden spokesperson for the governor said, well, this is a very unsurious lawsuit seemingly designed to stoke the dumpster fire, formerly known as Twitter, rather than surface legitimate legal claims.

AB 1955 preserves the child-parent relationship. California law ensures minors can't legally change their name or gender without parental consent, and parents continue to have guaranteed and full access to their student's educational records, consistent with federal law. We're confident the state will swiftly prevail in this case. okay my question would be then what does this law do what does this law do this is always what they always what they say whenever they pass this radical law a radical law like this and people say oh my gosh this is a very drastic change and this is fighting against a very fundamental and necessary and

safeguarding relationship the parent-child relationship they say well nothing's changed it doesn't really do anything everything is the same okay then why are you celebrating what does the law actually accomplish if nothing changes at all. The truth is this does change things. This means that a school is never required to inform a parent about very serious changes that the child is making. Maybe not medical intervention, but social affirmation and social intervention. It is not harmless to call a child by a name that they were not given by their parents. It is not harmless to call a boy, she hurt. That is harmful. That is dangerous. That is pushing a delusion that leads them down the path of medical intervention. And it actually threatens the legal custody of the children by their parents.

And I will tell you a story of this happening. We've talked about it on this podcast. I've shared it in many speeches. It comes out of California and it is about a young woman named Yaley Martinez. And I will tell you what happened to her when the schools intervened kept her new stated identity a secret from her mother. Let me pause. Let me tell you about Yaley Martinez and her mother Abigail Martinez. This is from our friends at First Liberty. First Liberty is an incredible organization that represents moms like Abigail. They are fighting for our constitutional rights like free speech, like free speech, freedom of religion, and also parental rights. And so let me tell you a little bit about this story and what policies like this can lead to.

So this is their summary on the First Liberty website. They filed a friend of the court brief at the Supreme Court of the United States on behalf of Abigail Martinez in support of MC and JCP, the Indiana Department of Child Services. That's a pivotal parental rights case that is seeking. this is from 2023, by the way, seeking the Supreme Court Review of Indiana's decision to remove a child from the home of Christian parents because of their religious beliefs about sexuality. We've had many similar parents on this show. So this is something that is happening not just in these liberal states, but it's also happening in places like Indiana. And so they tell the story of Abigail and her daughter, Yalee Martinez. Abigail Martinez is a mother from Southern California who lost her daughter, Yaley, to soon.

suicide in September 2019. Ms. Martinez is a devout Christian who immigrated from El Salvador as a teen. Yaley suffered from depression as a young teenager, later identified as transgender. But while Yaley's school encouraged her to secretly join an LGBT group, it also encouraged her to keep the information from her mother. Yaly was taken from her home by the parent of a transgender student and after school officials coached her at the police station. Yaly was removed from her mom's custody. and placed in a group home by the California Department of Child and Family Services because Yaley's mom, Abigail, did not believe that her child was really a boy. She knew that she had other mental health struggles.

She had had somewhat of a turbulent upbringing, but she would not support this idea that Yaley was the opposite sex. So Yaley worked with this activist parent along with her school to keep her choices and to keep her social transition a secret. So she was removed from her mom's custody. She was placed in this group home. Instead of providing the medical care that Yaley needed for her severe depression, California gave her testosterone. Took her away from her mom, the one support she knew she could always rely on.

After identifying as male for three years, changing her name, taking cross-sex hormones, Yaley committed suicide at age 19. Do not tell me that socially transitioning a child outside of, not. not only the parents' consent, but the parent's knowledge is harmless or helpful or that you're protecting kids. You're not. You're making kids far more susceptible to abuse, to isolation, to abandonment, to medical malpractice. When you are taking away, the only sure advocate that that child has, the only person in that child's life who really knows that child, who is really seeking the best interest of that child, you are making that child vulnerable to abuse,

to homelessness, to even more severe mental health issues, and yes, to suicide. That is what this bill that is now law signed by Governor Gavin Newsom is going to accomplish. He is going to, his legacy is going to be littered with the lives of these vulnerable and very confused children who have been conditioned by groomed by their school in many cases to try to change their gender to identify as something else and then to hide that very sensitive and important information from their parents. Social affirmation so often leads to legal intervention, leads to medical intervention, and those things are simply not reversible. The audacity of Gavin Newsom and any of these legislators and any politician to lay claim to your child,

to act like they care more about your child's life, your child's well-being, your child's interest, your child's safety than you do? Who was it that met that child at their first breath, put that child on their chest, who felt that love crash over them? that parents can't even explain. Who was with that child when he or she was waking up in the middle of the night with a bad dream and needed comfort and care? Who was with that child when that child was sick and needed his mom?

Who was with that child through all the trials and tribulations of being a kid and then a preteen and a teenager? Not Gavin Newsome. Not any of these legislators, not Scott Freaking Weiner of California. You were. You know what is best for your child. And yes, of course, there are bad parents out there. There are actually abusive parents.

Why don't we put our attention, put our resources, direct CPS's efforts towards those parents who are actually abusing their children rather than punishing parents who want what is actually best for their kids, who refuse to go along with the lie that it is even possible to identify as the opposite? gender and who refused to support medical intervention that will butcher their child's body, confuse their mind, crush their spirit, break their heart, and possibly render them infertile for the rest of their lives. That's called being a good parent. A good parent resists that kind of thing for their child who doesn't know better, who doesn't have a developed frontal lobe. This is evil. This is an evil, evil law. And I am just so thankful that one day Jesus is going to come back and that he is going to avenge all of this wickedness.

And I am so thankful that there's a hell. I'm thankful for it. Now, do I want Gavin Newsom to repent? Of course I do. Do I want these legislators and all of these corrupt, depraved people in California and in these progressive activist groups? that are trying to tear away these vulnerable kids from their parents. Do I want them to repent and know Christ? Absolutely.

That is my utmost desire for them. But if that doesn't happen, I'm glad there's a hell. And I'm glad that there is an eternal punishment for wickedness. I'm glad that there is justice there. I'm glad that God is a righteous judge. Yes, he is so gracious. He is so merciful that he sent his son to die on the cross in our stead, that we can be redeemed through no effort of our own,

but just by grace through faith. Praise God for that. I want that for everyone. But if not, I'm glad that hell exists for people like this. That would tear a child away from her parents in the name of affirmation to try to do something that cannot be done change their gender, to mutilate their body. It is wicked beyond comprehension. And this is why we say politics matter because policy matters because people matter. I am so done with any patience that I ever had.

I mean, it's been out for a while now with Christians who say, ah, our citizenship is not of this world. Our home is in heaven and Jesus is coming back. So I don't need to care about politics. It doesn't really matter. I don't want to get into all that division. Just admit that you're just lazy. You just don't want to know what's going on.

It's too uncomfortable. It's too inconvenient. You don't want to be involved in it. And look, I'm not saying that everyone has to be involved in it. And look, I'm not saying that everyone has. to be the same level of political activist. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that you have to be following the news 24-7. Compassion fatigue is real. You do not have the capacity to care about everything all at once. I am not claiming that you have to. But to be an engaged citizen, because we still

do live in a physical, temporal context right now, not arbitrarily, not by accident, but because God purposely placed you here to be engaged as a citizen and to do good for your neighbor. You do have to advocate on behalf of good, righteous policy and push back against the bad. Wherever God has placed you, maybe there's a particular issue that God is calling you to, a particular place, a particular topic, a particular person, a particular cause, and maybe it's only for a season of life that you are fighting for or against that thing. And maybe you're just using your small platform to do that. Maybe he's given you a big platform. It's going to look different for all of us. But politics is a way, not the primary way or the only way, but a way

to love our neighbor. Yes, it is the Christian responsibility to push back against wickedness like this. And that's why I also don't have any patience for this idea that, oh, Republican Democrats are just kind of both bad, both equally bad. Look, I've got my problem with Republicans. I've spent the past two days talking about some of my problems with Republicans, but it's not because I'm in the middle of the wicked party who wants to take kids out of their parents' homes and then the party of the right, the Republican Party. I'm not in the middle of those two parties. I'm way over here because I want to follow the word of God, which is going to put me outside both of the parties, but not in the middle of them. Not in the middle of them. I am nowhere near the party of unfettered

abortion through all nine months on the taxpayer time and the removal of custody of a child from their parents because they are deceived about their gender. I'm certainly not close to that party and no Christian should be. We should fight with every fiber of our being against this because children matter, the voiceless, vulnerable children who don't have political capital. They're just victims in all of this. They're just fodder in all of this. They matter. And we have to speak on their behalf. So God bless you to every Christian in California who pushed back against this. I don't know when we will see the fruit of your efforts, but I believe we will. I mean, at one point, we thought that Roe v. Wade would never be overturned. The abortion lobby is so much bigger and so

and so much more financially provided for than the pro-life side. It's so much more influential. It's got all of the cultural megaphones, and yet Rovi-Wade was overturned. And while we are not where we want to be with abortion legislation, we're closer than we were a few years ago. And I thought that was never going to happen, 49 years of pro-life Christian effort. And here we are in a post-row world. And so I believe that your efforts can come to fruition, but we've got to keep pushing, keep persisting, and trust in the Lord. Harrison Tinsley's story, whom we are about to talk to, it is a great example of persistence,

encourage how that can, through the grace of God, win the day and save people's lives. and I'm so thankful for his story. I'll give you a little bit of a summary before we get the very, very happy update from him. All right, let me give you a little recap of Harrison Tensley and his fight for the custody of his three-year-old son. Here is a short clip from the conversation that I had with him last year. Right about when I get half custody,

she starts treating him as non-binary. And how do you know this? From social media post from her. Okay. And did she have a post announcing, hey, my son or my child is non-binary? I don't know if she said it like that, but I mean, she would post pictures of him in dresses and makeup and weird things like that. There was also one post. Yeah, there's a picture right there that we have.

Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I don't prefer to look at that. Yeah, I don't blame you. Spending so much time and money in court isn't fun. but he's worth it. I don't care how hard it is.

I don't care how much pain it causes me. I'm never going to give up. I'm going to fight for him until my last breath forever as hard as I can. It's my duty as a dad. So that episode ended up just kind of blowing up. We did not break the story. It was originally Daily Wire. That's where I read his story first.

And then he was kind enough to come on the show and to, share the battle that he was having. So he was seeking full custody of his three-year-old son, Sawyer, who was being raised by his quote-unquote non-binary mother as, quote-unquote, non-binary himself. So the mother, she called herself non-binary. She was gender confused, and she was trying to raise her son as also gender confused. And we have this little picture, full screen too just as an example. This is a little boy when he was a toddler. His mom was dressing him up this way in this little pink and blue dress. And Harrison, who was not political himself and not ideological, he was just completely against this. Now, their relationship had been severed. She was,

you know, the ex-girlfriend. And so they were fighting over the custody. And he was completely against this so-called gender-affirming care that this mother was trying to push on him. So he was trying to get custody. But they're in the state of California. They're in the Bay Area. So the ideology there wasn't for him. Plus, family court can very often be kind of stacked against the father. But in this case, like he was the one trying to seek what was best for his son.

And he was having such a hard time navigating family court and getting his side, heard. And so that's why he ended up taking his story public and it actually ended up serving him very well. Now, Sawyer's mom has long been involved in LGBTQ issues, as we will talk about again a little bit today with Harrison. She was raised by two older gay men in the Bay Area. So she's kind of always been this progressive activist and then this manifested itself in how she mothered this child. And so Harrison has been embroiled in a battle in family courts with CPS in California for over a year now. And thankfully, he just got amazing news that after some very unfortunate and scary circumstances with Sawyer's mom. He has been granted full physical custody of his son,

Sawyer. He is also married now. And so Sawyer gets that nuclear family unit, which is just incredible. And Harrison's story of meeting his wife is really incredible and sweet and providential. He's going to share that today. And so it's a story of victory. It's a story of how persistence and courage and the grace of God, the providence of God can lead to a really sweet victory and the protection of a child. And there's just a lot for us to learn from his story. If you want the full recap of everything that Harrison went to, we will link the episode in the description. So you can go watch that and then you can come back and you can watch this episode. It will just make this announcement even sweeter. And he'll say this at the end of the conversation. But

but I just want to say to you something that he told producer Bree that meant a lot is that he said by far that this audience is the kindest, is made up of the kindest people that he has ever talked to, that you guys have been so supportive, that you've sent him words of encouragement, that you have lifted him up in prayer so much over the past year or so. And I'm just thankful for you guys. I've always said I have the best audience in the world and I do. I do. Sorry, sorry to brag, but I do. Y'all are the smartest and y'all are the kindest and y'all are the most generous. It's not just Harrison who has said that. So many repeat guests tell me that when they are sitting on this white couch that

y'all are the best. Also, the sponsors on this show, you guys interact with them and they tell me, wow, you've got an incredible audience and I'm like, yes, thank you, Lord. I absolutely do. And I truly believe that you, your prayers, your attention to this story, your support for Harrison actually helped lead to this victory in this custody battle. So praise God for that. But I'll let Harrison tell you the wonderful conclusion to this story now. So without further ado, here he is. Harrison, thanks so much for joining us again. Okay, I'm going to give you the floor. Tell us your latest news. Well, the latest news is incredible. I finally have won full custody of Sawyer. And I'm just so thankful. It's like an absolute miracle dream come true. Yes. Yes. And amen. So you were on the show a while ago. You were in the middle of this custody battle with Sawyer's mom. So tell us how everything has gone down since then.

Yeah. Well, it's been like four and a half years now with me fighting for him. Yeah. And I have this appeal going. it's actually still going. And I'm hoping to win that as well, just sort of on merit. And right now, there was essentially another incident with my son's mom and she was arrested again and there was CPS involvement. And essentially what happened is CPS wanted, well, they temporarily awarded me full custody and then they wanted to give me full custody indefinitely. And, you know, me and my attorney agreed with that.

And Sawyer's appointed attorney agreed with that. And we ended up getting mom and her attorney to agree to that, you know, with certain specifications about things before the trial. And I'm just ecstatic. I think it's the best thing ever for Sawyer. He's been doing so good the last four months, you know, having a steady routine with me. And it's just, it's just absolutely wonderful to have actually, like, saved him and broke the Matrix. And, you know, there was a lot to it in this story. You know, it was a very serious incident that happened.

That was very scary. And then there was a lot of research and a lot of talking back and forth between attorneys and CPS and me and everything. And it was a huge thing. But I was happy to take it on for Sawyer. Right. And obviously, as we've already summarized, the mother of your son was dressing him like a girl, kind of saying that he was not. binary when he was just a toddler. And when he was with you, obviously, he never articulated anything like that. I mean, three years old, you don't even have the words or the understanding

to say something like that. And it was a real battle for you back and forth. Did you ever feel like, okay, everything and everyone is against me. There's no way I'm ever going to get custody. It felt definitely defeating at times. Like family court seems to really. want to keep custody 50-50. They seem to possibly favor mothers and possibly favor people with, you know, political views that align with theirs more so. But, you know, Sawyer's just adamantly just fought it. He's always said he's a boy. He gets mad if he's say anything else. He tells me he's upset when those sorts of things happen. They've been happening less and less as far as I know. She still always has tried to call him today. But other than that, she does acknowledge he's a boy because

otherwise it seems like he screams at her. And as far as work goes, you know, I never gave up. I'm like a hopeless, optimist, Mr. Brightside. So I'm always trying to find a way for things to work out and seeing like the best possible case scenario, even if it's like a 1% chance. I'm like, don't tell me the odds. I'm taking it. And so I stayed positive throughout.

And here we are now. And it's just magical. Yes. So you said that there was a scary. Are you able to say what happened or no? Yeah, I'll give like some minor details for sure. Essentially there was an arrest made of Sawyer's mother and she had gotten a physical altercation with her dad. And he's older.

So she ended up and also so Sawyer ended up seeing this altercation and stepping in on the altercation to. Oh my goodness. And how old is he now? He's four and a half now. He's only four and a half and he's trying to make peace in this situation. Wow. Yeah. Well, he, I mean, he stepped in with like his, you know, it's like, it's those debate on if it's a little kid's plastic baseball bat or little kids juggling pen.

But either way, they were, they were fighting. It was a very serious fight, like with blood and like not very serious stuff. Very scary for a four-year-old to see. And Soria claims that the instruction of his mother to hit his grandpa in the face, that's what he did. the mother claims that he did it just in her honor without her saying anything. I tend to believe Sawyer. But either way, it's part of the police evidence.

Even I've seen the photos of the bloody kids baseball bat or whatever it was. So it does seem that that happened and that there was a very serious altercation. And she was arrested for a lot of charges because of that. But thankfully, it doesn't seem to be scarring Sawyer. Obviously, I don't bring it up. But he did have to get asked it by CPS and some other people. him right after. Very scary, but I think that we're just going to move forward and he's doing just extremely well. And, you know, they made me do different little checks and mental health

checks with him with certain people through CPS and all these things. And he just kind of passed with flying colors on everything. So I'm super thankful that he, you know, he has me and my family. And I just feel like somehow he's just pulling through in an amazing way. Yeah. Are your parents involved? Like, does he have grandparents on your side that are involved in his life? Yeah, so my parents live in Tahoe and they love Soria to Death. I spend lots of time with him and help me whenever I need help with him. And I'm just super thankful that I have loving, you know, parents that love my kid. And I also have a brother and two sisters and my wife now and all these different people and family and friends that are very support. Good. I'm so glad for that that you have a

support system, that he is a support system. And I'm just so thankful that you thought for him so relentlessly for so long. Of course, you think, yeah, that's just what you do as a dad. You love your son. You fight for him. But not everyone does that. You know, it's a big sacrifice. It took you a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of financial resources. And you did it because your son was worth it to you. And I mean, I think that's, I think that's really commendable. And, you know, I just, I also just, pray for his mother because it sounds like she's in a really dark spot. Yeah, thank you for saying that. It was a tremendous time of pain and, you know, suffering that I went through, but it was

totally worth it. So it was worth it. No financial or stress or otherwise could ever stop me from fighting for my son. And I don't think should stop any parent from fighting for their children. I think you have a duty as a parent to do so. And especially to protect children, they're the most innocent, amazing amongst us. I don't understand how anyone gives up on their kids at all. It's totally baffling to me.

Yeah. And. Well, I'm thankful that he has you. So you have full physical custody, but you do have split legal custody with your final approval. Can you tell us what exactly that means? So I have full physical custody. So Sawyer resides with me all the time. His mother gets a couple of visits per week.

And as far as legal custody goes, we essentially have to discuss things. but at the end of the day, if we don't agree, I have the final say, which I'm extremely thankful for. That was something I was very adamant about having. Totally. I'm really glad we came to that conclusion. Mm-hmm. And has his mother, I know you said that sometimes she will refer to him as they, does she

push this with you at all, or does she kind of realize she's got to back off on that? It seems to me like she still tries to do that if we're exchanging Sawyer even. Sometimes she'll slip up and call him a boy. boy, but it seems like she really goes hard on the they thing. And I always just reminds Sawyer he's a boy and that nothing will ever change that. And he totally knows that. And it's really, really weird and odd. And I don't know why she keeps doing that.

I think she herself tries to identify, because I believe she said it in court even, as non-binary still herself, which is interesting. And yeah, it's just really sad. I don't understand why you would need to push that. you really believed it, but why do you need to say that to a four-year-old? It doesn't really make sense. Right. And y'all are dealing with like CPS and San Francisco, right? Yeah. So this was court and CPS in San Francisco and they should be commended. They did their job. Politics aside, they were aware of the political contention and of things like me talking to you and doing interviews

and everything. And they put all that aside and did their job and did what's best for Sawyer to protect the child. And I'm super thankful for that. Yeah. That's remarkable. Now, there were some CPS incidents that you hadn't known about, right? Well, so there was the very first one that we probably touched on before. And that one, CPS failed to do anything.

It was very surprising to me. I tried as hard as I can for them to do something and they didn't. And this CPS worker actually told me that he was surprised that they didn't do anything that time. And then apparently I found out on this CPS report that there was a second incident opened on or around Halloween this year, last year, technically, and of a little altercation again between the mom and her father with Sawyer. I don't know about, they claim not present, but he was in her custody at the time.

So I'm not sure if he sought or not. But yeah, so there was a, I was upset that they didn't tell me about that. It seemed odd. Right. Well, praise God that they ended up doing their job for the protection and the safety of Sawyer. There are so many kids that unfortunately are not given that protection. And I think obviously we can praise God for that, but also your efforts and your fighting have a lot to do with that. You also, you said that you just got married and you now have a wife that is helping you raise this sweet little boy and provide stability for him.

And the story of how you met your now wife is really interesting. So can you take us through that? Yeah, it's a beautiful story. I was doing an interview for Turning Point USA. I was interviewed with Charlie Kirk in Arizona. And I did an interview with Charlie Kirk, which was crazy already because I'm just like, why am I interviewing with Charlie Kirk? Like, I'm just some guy from California. That was after our interview?

It was after, yeah. Okay. I don't know how many months after, maybe one or two. And yeah. I'm already just like, why this is crazy that I'm in this position, but I was embracing it, of course, and, you know, just taking on that responsibility. But so I'm just, I do an interview with Charlie in the morning, and then I'm just sort of beep bopping around Turning Point USA because I don't have anything to do the rest of the day. I'm hanging out with the film guys because I know them. I've done some movie stuff with them and hanging out with them and walking around Turning up USA and I saw this beautiful girl.

and basically I flipped my hair and I opened her office door and I walked in there. She always reminds me that I flip my hair first. And I yeah, I just talked to her. I tell her she's incredibly beautiful and we just talk and laugh. You're just bold.

You just go up to her and tell her that she's beautiful right away. Yeah, like just be brave. That's how I live my life. Even if I'm scared the death, I just do it anyway. So I just walked right in. You know, even my heart pounding

and I just talked to her and it ended up just being a great conversation and we were just talking and laughing. It just felt like magic was all through the air right when I opened the door. You know, like something was just so special. And like it was like we were just like meant to be near each other or something. It was really incredible. And I saw her the next day too.

We talked for like an hour both days and got her number and stuff. And she ended up being in California two weeks later. And as was I. And we went on a date. And we just kind of. fell in love so quick and it's just like it feels like it's like true love like just everything i've ever dreamed of and seen in a fairy tale or anything like that it's it's like i really found that i feel so fortunate and i did love her so much and we just seemed so perfect for each other and yeah and so since

then we just we visited each other back and forth and all the stuff and and now we're married and it's just like the best love story ever it couldn't it was just so divine that we even met You know, in that moment. There was so many factors that added up that we could have missed each other. But that didn't happen. That's so sweet. And tell me how you proposed to her. Let's see.

We went to a concert of her favorite band. And when we got back to my house, I had my sister and her boyfriend like decorate my whole house with like all these pictures of us and flowers and, you know, candles. and this thing I thought of that was hanging over the bed that was like I said, it was always you. And then I also, when we got to my door, I pressed play on my phone. I had written and recorded a song for her that I wrote. And so I just played that. And then we walked in and then I asked her at some point during all that.

Sweet. Sweet. Well, that is just such a cool story about how God brought all of that together. Is there any encouragement that you can give people? There may be people watching this who are in a similar situation as you. And as you said, the whole family court process can be extremely demoralizing. You said that you live your life with bravery and persistence. Like what encouragement would you give someone in a similar situation?

Don't give up no matter what, no matter how hard it feels, no matter how discouraged you feel. You got to keep going. and find a way to keep moving forward. That's what life's about. It's always darkest just before the dawn. You know, I couldn't add all. I was just laying in bed. I couldn't have predicted I was going to get a phone call

to go pick Soter up. Right. And I did. And just completely unpredictably, you know, waiting on my appeal still, being defeated in court all these other times. And now here I am with full custody. I mean, you just, you have to keep fighting.

You never know what will happen. You have to just do everything you can. And even if you were to, fail, you'll feel much better about having tried so hard than if you didn't. Right, right. Absolutely. You know, I just have to think this kind of just came to my mind. You mentioned how San Francisco, CPS, they kind of put aside their politics. They knew that you had done this interview and other interviews and they did what was best for

Sawyer. But I do wonder, and this is a good thing, I do wonder if it is somewhat because, you made this fight public that they knew that if they did not do the right thing and God forbid something had happened to Sawyer that their incompetence and their misstep would have been highlighted. And that would have then become a national news story. So I actually think it probably played into your favor that you were like, you know what? I'm going to get my message in this fight this fight out there. So no what, well, we'll never know exactly. but certainly I think that your persistence and bravery

is really kind of what pushed everything over the finish line. I'm curious. Go ahead. I agree with what you're saying, though, really quick. If I can touch on that, I mean, I think that coming out publicly, like I did with the Daily Wire article, and then your interview and all these interviews and go into the Capitol and fighting the crazy bills in California

that they tried to pass constantly to attack parents' rights. But I think all of that definitely did play a role. And, you know, I even accept. let them know that if they don't give me custody and anything happens to Soria, that I will sue them or that I will pursue legal, the full legal extent of the law or something like that. I was very serious about it. And I mean, I don't know, but to be honest with you, it seemed like God handed me a really incredible CPS worker that did his job in spite of everything and really seem to have Sawyer's best interest at heart, didn't care about politics at all. And I really

think that that was a miracle because I think that there is CPS workers, like perhaps the very first one, or maybe that lady just gave her slack because it was the first event, you know, I don't know, but it seemed to me maybe politically motivated and has just so thankful to have gotten this guy who really, you know, did this job in spite of any politics. And yeah, I would encourage anyone, you know, you're scared of speaking out, like you start speaking up and speaking the truth and standing for what you believe and fighting for something that matters, your life opens up in a million incredible ways that you just can't even imagine. It's, you know, I met my wife, I've met you, I've met all these amazing people that genuinely care about me and Sawyer. And I just,

I just feel like life's changed so much for the better. And I would just really recommend people taking that step towards courage because it really well, even if it seems scary, it'll be worth it. Now, if I remember correctly, you had a restraining, order against Sawyer's mom, per our last conversation. How has that developed? Yeah, I was awarded a temporary restraining order from family court. And that was awarded a few times temporarily. And it ended up that mom violated that restraining order. I brought that evidence to court as part of the trial. It was on video and photo. It was undeniable. And in spite of that and against case law, family court actually didn't award me a permanent restraining order, which was kind of

of mind-blowing to me and my attorney. That's part of our appeal. Yeah. But thankfully when, because I made a police report when that happened, it took a while to come through. But when it went to criminal court in my county, which is Santa Clara County, not San Francisco, they're a little tougher on crime. They actually awarded me a criminal protective order immediately. And I'm super thankful for that. It really brought me a, you know, a lot of comfort because some of the crazy stuff I've had to deal with with his mom. And she was what she was stalking you. She was threatening you? She essentially came within a distance of me that she wasn't allowed to.

I don't know if it was 50 yards or something like that. My criminal one's actually stronger. I think it's 300 yards. But it was 50 to 100 yards. And she came right next to me in Sawyer and with her dads. And they were talking to us and kind of harassing us. And, you know, just saying inappropriate stuff to me on the family court app and stuff like that. You said with her dads?

Yeah, her dads were actually with her when she made this violation of the restraining order, which was interesting. She has two dads? Correct. Adopted San Francisco. Gotcha. Okay. I think I remember that piece. And you know what's interesting is actually her mom, like her birth mom, was in contact with her for the first couple years of Soria's life and they had a falling out.

And I didn't really know why, but I actually found out why this actually came out in this. CPS report as well. It's kind of personal, so maybe I'll keep the details, but I guess there's an incident when her mom was visiting with her and Sawyer so much so that the mom hasn't spoken to her in, you know, one and a half to two years or something, and the mom even gave testimony to CPS on my behalf without really knowing me or against the mom, rather, that Sawyer's probably safer with me as part of the case. Wow. So that was her birth mom. She was adopted by two gay men when she was a baby and she was raised without her mom, correct? Correct.

Yeah, I remember you mentioned that in our original conversation, but I had forgotten about that aspect of it. Wow. And so that now that you've got the criminal restraining order, that has been, she's respected that. Yeah, it's been a lot better since then. Okay, good. You know, you just mentioned that you've been fighting back

against some of these crazy bills, in your state of California. And so I'm curious, what's your take on Gavin Newsom signing AB 1955, which basically says schools can never be required to disclose a child's changed, so-called gender identity to the parents? It's insanity. I mean, it's a total attack on parental rights and on kids and on the Constitution. And just it's so anti-American.

It's just keeping secrets from parents. and mandating that even is just it's beyond comprehension. I was so glad to see that there's already a lawsuit filed against it. Super thankful for that. I think there should be more. And I think that Gavin Newsom should resign. I think that he's a horrible governor and a horrible person. I don't understand what motivates him, but quite frankly, he's not a good leader.

And the people of California don't want him. I live here in the Bay Area, mind you. And I talk to parents all the time. I don't know anyone who's into this stuff. There's definitely no parents I know, even if they are liberal that think that school should keep secrets from parents. So I'm not sure who he's playing into, but it's literally nobody I've ever met.

It's really odd. I don't know what weird 1% they're, you know, pony into, but it's not okay. I totally agree with you. I just talked to a very progressive friend the other day who said, yeah, I'm not on, I'm not on, with this. I don't think. And he's someone who, you know, wouldn't agree with me on LGBTQ stuff, but he thinks that this is the step too far, keeping this information from parents. And so, yeah,

I am right there. I'm right there with you. Hopefully there will be a post-newsome California at some, at some point. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for sharing your story, being willing to come on, take the time to do that. And again, I'm just so thankful for your courage and your willingness to share and praise God that Sawyer has the stability and the love that you and your new wife provide him. And I just hope that you all have a happy and peaceful life. Is there anything coming up that people need to be aware of for you? I know you said that you've got another appeal, which I didn't really totally understand what that was, but how can people be supporting for you praying for y'all? Well, thank you so much for saying that, Ali. I mean, your support and

kindness has met so much to me and all your supporters have just been the most amazing people have just so many prayers and well wishes and it's just kind of like mind-blowing and surreal how kinds these people are and I'm so thankful to all of you and everyone who's ever helped me in Sawyer and we finally did it we save Sawyer as far as you know I still have my appeal going and there's so just because I have this order it's it is a final order so it's good but of course mom can still go to family court and petition whatever she wants at any time so there's potential in the future that we do have more legal battles of course if anyone wants to you know help me and soyer as far as that goes it's a give sango slash saving Sawyer and you know just

all the prayers and well wishes mean the world to us look how far we've come I mean it's been like a year and you know since I've come out publicly a year in a few months and we did it like it just in that amount of time we save Sawyer there's a you know there's this stuff in california we need to stop, there's other dads and moms who need our help. I really believe we need to fight for them. And we just need to do everything we can to protect kids. I think the time's now. We have the high ground. We tides are turning. Everyone knows this stuff's wrong. If you've ever thought about speaking up, you've been letting it stew inside you, but too scared to speak up, start small, tell your wife, tell your friends, tell your coworkers. It's time to speak is right now. We can put a stop to this. We can

end the war on children. We can save the republic. You just have to start speaking the truth right now. Be brave. Well, thank you so much, Harrison, and God bless your sweet family. And hopefully you have many, many, many happy days ahead. Thanks so much. Thank you so much, Ali. Really appreciate it.