Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1102 | Did Trump Just Stop the Great Reset? | Guest: Justin Haskins
Episode Date: November 18, 2024Today, we sit down with Justin Haskins, director of the Socialism Research Center at the Heartland Institute, to discuss Trump's victory earlier this month and the far-reaching implications it will ha...ve both globally and at home. We also talk about what the Left is likely planning in response to Trump's victory. Just because larger corporations and newspapers appear to be backing down from their insanity doesn't mean they are to be trusted. After all, we're already seeing a repeat of the Russia collusion narrative from eight years ago. And as a little bonus, we talk to Matt Marquez from Moveable Feast, who hung a pro-Trump sign outside of his restaurant in Illinois. We discuss how his business and family are dealing with the backlash. Buy Justin's new book, "Propaganda Wars: How the Global Elite Control What You See, Think, and Feel": https://a.co/d/cNkjxnr https://a.co/d/cNkjxnr Buy Allie's new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": https://a.co/d/4COtBxy --- Timecodes: (01:48) EU Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive update (04:15) Why it was important for Trump to win (15:41) The left’s future plan (25:41) Left-wing tyranny (35:48) Russian collusion 2.0 (49:33) US deportations (54:34) Moveable Feast Matt Marquez update --- Today's Sponsors: Carly Jean Los Angeles — Go to https://www.carlyjeanlosangeles.com and use code ALLIEB to get 20% off your next CJLA order (one-time use only) and start filling your closet with timeless staple pieces. Good Ranchers — Go to GoodRanchers.com and use code ALLIE at checkout to claim your free Thanksgiving ham while supplies last. Seven Weeks - Experience the best coffee while supporting the pro-life movement with Seven Weeks Coffee; use code ALLIE at https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com to save up to 25% and help save lives. NetSuite — gain visibility and control of your financials, planning, budgeting, and inventory so you can manage risk, get reliable forecasts, and improve margins. Go to NetSuite.com/ALLIE to get the CFO's guide to AI and Machine Learning. --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 1067 | This New European Law Is About to Change the World | Guest: Justin Haskins https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1067-this-new-european-law-is-about-to-change-the/id1359249098?i=1000669739236 Ep 678 | Great Reset Update: Farm Shutdowns & Power Rationing | Guest: Justin Haskins https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-678-great-reset-update-farm-shutdowns-power-rationing/id1359249098?i=1000579496340 Ep 1099 | Mattel’s New Barbie Links to a P*rn Site https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1099-mattels-new-barbie-links-to-a-p-rn-site/id1359249098?i=1000676703405 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey
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Justin, welcome back. Thanks for having me. Yes. Okay, what is our last episode? Do you know the
the view count? I check it every single day. I check it more often than you do probably. I think it's
1.4. It's close to 1.5 million. Yeah, which is amazing. So if those of you listening,
watching, have not watched that episode, you need to. Because someone,
of what we talk about is going to kind of be like a continuation update on that. That is one of my
most watched episodes ever. We talked about the little known European law that is set to change
our lives. And we talked about how important it was for Trump to be elected because all of the
global powers that be are betting on America, putting people in power that will go along with
this plan of basically global takeover. So can you remind us just like,
what that law is and give us the status.
Yeah.
So early in 2024, the European Union, after years of negotiating, passed a law called
the corporate sustainability due diligence directive.
It's the most boring name for a law of all time.
I think intentionally so, by the way.
So no one will pay attention to it on like great reset or something.
And essentially what the law does is requires large companies who operate in the European Union,
regardless of where they're headquartered,
to impose ESG social credit scoring left-wing values and ideas and policies
in their own businesses,
but also throughout their supply chains as well.
So, for example, McDonald's is one of these companies
that is going to have to comply with this rule.
They're going to have to adopt all these crazy left-wing things
that they put into this CSDD policy.
but they will also have to make sure that the businesses that they work with, their business partners all throughout the world,
regardless of whether they do any business in Europe, like a potato farmer who sells potatoes to them in Idaho,
also is adhering to these left-wing ESG social credit scores.
Yeah.
As a result.
Exactly.
Everything.
Everything.
That's the social credit score, climate change.
Yep.
And the whole point of it is to transform society all over the world.
And the other sort of benefit to it is all these crazy left-wing policies that have been hurting these businesses in Europe for a long time no longer only hurt them.
Now we get to drag down the entire rest of the world too and make European businesses more competitive as a result of it.
Because it doesn't matter if we're going to put solar panels and only rely on solar energy, even if it isn't the best value, if everyone else also has to do that too.
And that's the goal behind all of this.
so terrible economically for Americans.
It's a freedom killer.
And it's really insidious because what will end up happening is people will have no idea
why all the businesses they work for, everyone that they, the people that they buy food
from, the people where they get their energy from, all of these things are going to change
and they're not going to know why it's happening.
It's just going to look like all these companies are doing it for some unknown reason,
when in reality it's because of this.
crazy European Union law. Yeah. And if you want more details about that just so we don't have to
rehash everything, go back, listen to, or watch that episode. So remind us why it was so important
from our perspective for Donald Trump to win instead of Kamala Harris when we're looking at
not only a law like this, but the whole reset movement in general that we have been talking about
so many times over the past couple of years. There's been this massive movement amongst
global elites to seize increasingly more power, to centralize power and ownership and wealth.
That's what the Great Reset is all about. That's what this EU law that we just talked about is all
about. And the Biden-Harris administration is all for it. They've been actively involved in it.
They've been very supportive in a variety of different ways. There's been other things that have
been happening at the United Nations that we've talked about in the past as well. Same thing.
They've been openly supportive of these things in some cases involved in the development of them.
the Biden administration actively works with the World Economic Forum.
Those are the great reset people.
And, you know, so this is, they love this stuff.
They, they are progressive elites.
They want progressive elites to be in charge in the West.
They're okay with Europeans setting the agenda if it means we move further towards their
progressive utopia.
Yeah.
Because it's really hard to get that passed in American law.
But if you can figure out an end round around, an end run around our constitution,
and our rights that we have here in our process through the European Union and through corporations,
then you can reset all of society without actually having to pass a law in the United States.
So what we need is someone actively pushing against it.
It isn't enough to just have a government that sits there and says, well, I'm not going to go along with that.
You have to have someone who wants to fight over it.
And the Biden-Harris administration is actively working against us, never mind fighting.
you know, in our favor. So the Trump administration is our only hope of solving that problem. We're not
going to be able to fix it without someone aggressively pushing back against the European Union.
And so, and the UN and all the world economic form and all these other institutions. And so it was
essential that Donald Trump win this election because four more years down the road, I'm not sure
if we can.
That point that you made about these,
and I know when we say global elites,
some skeptics out there,
like, well, this is just kind of this
group of people that you're not really defining,
but we have defined them.
You've defined them in many of your books
and several of the conversations that we've had.
We're talking about the World Economic Forum.
You're talking about those that meet at Davos.
You're talking about not just Klaus Schwab.
I mean, he's up there,
but a lot of the American elites,
John Kerry has been involved in this.
Al Gore has been involved.
involved in this, the Clintons, the Obamas who have pushed this climate change agenda that they are
hoping is part of what you're calling a reset. And by a reset, kind of like starting from zero,
rebuilding a society, yes, where progressive elites are in charge, but how they're selling it is
an equitable society, an equal society, where there is no difference in income, no one is
oppressed. No one is a victim of injustice. And so a lot of this has critical race theory tenets,
even gender ideology, abortion plays a role in this, like their vision of kind of utopia or
heaven on earth where they have all the power and all of us underlings are just doing what we're
told. I mean, it's not communism, but it certainly has communistic qualities in it because we are kind
have all forced into the same plane. There's no borders. There's no strong nation states. And America
really stands in the way of that because American strength has always been an impediment to global
tyranny. That's just who we are. And so if you get someone who is in office like Kamala Harris or
Joe Biden who doesn't believe in the peace through strength foreign policy philosophy of some of the
good presidents that we've had, but is, you know, appeasing to terroristic regime.
regimes like Iran, or who believes in open borders, or who believes in the destruction of the family,
who believes in the destruction of the body through gender ideology, who will give more power
to Black Rock and these major corporations trying to force these ideologies on people through the
market, then it is easier for the Klaus Schwabs of the world and the George Sources of the
world to push their agenda. But when you have Trump, a disruptor, an outsider in there, who
will not be used as a tool as a vessel of their agenda, well, then it's a lot harder for them
to get things done. Is that like kind of an accurate summary? Yeah, I think that's, I think that's
exactly right. And it's, it's not just that he's not going to go along with it. It's that his policies
have been very proactive in trying to stop that sort of thing from occurring. So a really good
example of it is toward the end of the Trump administration, when ESG sort of a more authoritarian
style ESG started coming to the forefront.
The Trump administration passed a regulation that said large banks can't use social credit
scores to deny people access to capital and bank accounts and things like that.
So in other words, a bank can't deny you and access to a loan because they don't like
your opinion about Donald Trump or something like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
And the very first thing that Biden did, one of the very first things he did, first week he was in
office was get rid of that rule right away. They got rid of it because it was an executive
regulation so it's easy to get rid of. So they could deny you as an individual because of what you
believe? Or are you talking about, okay. Large banks right now have the authority to deny you
access to bank accounts just because they don't like you. Wow. And so there was a rule put in place
so that wouldn't happen. We didn't want social credit scoring being used as a way to screen out
people. Individuals, not just for what the things they say or who they voted for, but we've also
had examples, lots of examples of whole industries being screened out, like, say, like gun shop
owners, for example, and things like that. And so Trump has already promised that he's going to
reinstitute those rules and stop big banks from doing that and really get the government out of
the ESG business altogether. But that's just one small example. But it's, it's, it's,
There's no question about it.
What Trump wants to do is put individual liberty at the forefront of this.
We don't have to agree on everything, but we should at least all agree that in America,
large corporations should not be colluding with the government to reduce people's individual
rights, prevent people from saying what they really believe, prevent people from practicing
their religion.
And we've seen all of this stuff happen in the last five years over and over and over again.
And that's part of that progressive great reset attitude that the Biden-Harris administration has been 100% behind from day one.
Yeah.
And so I think we're going to see a lot of policies put into place to counteract that, not just to refrain from being involved in it, but actually push back against it.
And I think that's fantastic.
Although there's still a lot of danger ahead for us and a lot that needs to be done.
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Were you surprised that he won?
I was not surprised
that he won. Really? I actually
Even knowing what you know,
about all the powers that be that wanted him out.
Yeah, you know, I just thought that if it was close, it would be a problem.
But I didn't believe that it would be close.
And as a result of that, and I think that's exactly what happened.
I think if this election was close, I'm not sure that the powers to be would have allowed
him to win.
I think there would have been enough craziness and sanity, shenanigans, whatever you want to call it,
to stop it from happening.
But he won by so much in so many places.
I just don't think it was,
there was no pathway for them to do that.
It would have been too obvious.
Too obvious, right.
And so I was quite convinced.
I thought the polling numbers seemed to indicate that.
Because if you just look at how he did
in the last two presidential elections
in the polls leading up to the election day
compared to this time around,
he was way outperforming himself in the last two.
So I felt really good about it.
it. But it took an overwhelming wave of support. It took millions of people voting for him who
didn't want to vote for him in 2016. Like that's what it took. And thank God for that.
Yeah. I mean, when I think about the conversations we've had over the past couple of years and how
many times I've just felt like, dude, there's no way that we as normal people can go up against
Black Rock and Vanguard and George Soros. And the, you know,
the W.E.F and the UN and all of these other European nations that just don't like Donald Trump,
all of Hollywood, most of academia, much of the intelligence community, even the wokeification of
our military plays a role in all of this. And then we've got the public education system.
We've got most of the mainstream media. It was most of big tech. And now we've got Elon Musk,
who's kind of saved the day there. But wow, we have all of these powers.
and entities. Most of the major corporations, not even Black Rock and Vanguard, but, you know,
Target and Apple and Google, all these, all these companies who are against Donald Trump,
against his supporters, actually think that he is Hitler. He was almost assassinated, at least
twice. Obviously, they tried to impeach him several times. They brought all these criminal
charges against him. They threw everything they possibly could. And I just thought there's just no
way they are going to let this happen. There's just no way. I think you're right that it was too big
to rig, but I'm just wondering, obviously, all of the powers that we're talking about aren't going to
just let go of progressivism. They're not going to let go of their great reset plan. What do you think
their game plan is now? Do you think they're really upset or do you think they're like,
eh, it's just a bump in a road? You know, I think there's a split. So you've got, you've got certain
people who are on the more activist side of things that see this as like this is the end of the
world for them. I mean, this is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. I think that
the bigger institutions, I, you know, I think that they are the most untrustworthy group of
people that you could ever possibly come across, that they have historically over the past 20 years
switched sides over and over and over again. They go wherever they think they can get more power
and money. And we saw this. You could trace a lot of the modern Great Reset movement back to Occupy
Wall Street back in the early Obama days when people were angry at Wall Street, angry at the
one percenters and all of this. And suddenly those people all switched sides and became
progressives when in the past they were really more like big, they were really more like
big businesses that liked free market policies generally and they stayed out of everything else.
Suddenly they were all in on left-wing causes, you know, and they're selling crazy trans,
you know, products to kids at Target.
Like, why are we doing this?
Yeah.
I think that we've seen early stages of them maybe starting to cozy up to Trump because they
see that, you know, the left-wing thing didn't really work out super well for us.
A lot of people are angry at us.
We have a bad reputation now.
It used to be that no one cared about Davos, except for really fringe people.
people, you know, most people didn't care about Davos, they weren't angry at Target. They didn't,
you know, think of all of the bad stuff that is for them that's come out of all of this.
And we've seen some signs, even before the election results came out, that they might be
cozying up to Trump a little bit. The head of Apple, Tim Cook, called up Trump in the month or so
leading up to the election to complain about how the European Union was fining his company
billions of dollars and he didn't like it.
Wow. And Trump says that he took the call and said, well, you know, I got to get elected
before I can do anything about that. We've had Jeff Bezos basically say a lot of really
interesting stuff, owner of the Washington Post, obviously the guy behind Amazon, lots and lots
and lots of money saying, you know, I think actually we need to be a little more fair and
balanced. Yeah. The Los Angeles Times, one of the most crazy left-way newspapers on the planet.
Owned by like a CCP guy, right? I think so. Yeah. He, he,
He just fired his entire editorial board.
Yeah.
Well, they refused to endorse Kamala, right?
And the editorial board was pissed about that, I think, and that's where that conflict came.
Yeah, and he just, I think this just came out a day or so ago.
He, they got rid of all of them, and they're going to hire a whole new people, and they want,
fair and balanced is what they said, editorial board.
And so why are they all of a sudden doing all of this?
Black Rock and those kinds of organizations have recently come out and said, you know,
actually, we don't really, you know, maybe this wind and solar stuff isn't the greatest.
Maybe we should go all in on nuclear energy because we have all these AI things we want to do,
and that requires a lot of energy.
And so maybe we do need to move away from some of the Green New Deal stuff that we had backed before.
Why is all of this happening suddenly?
I think it's because they did everything they possibly could to destroy one person, and they
couldn't do it after 10 years of trying.
It is the all-time greatest campaign failure ever.
Yeah.
You know, I don't, I mean, a lot of people on the left are mad at Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.
I mean, Kamala Harris got further in life than any person should with her skill set.
She should be proud of herself.
She had no business being anywhere near the White House.
That's a really sweet way to think of it.
I mean, come on.
Like, if you had an untalented kid like that who made it all the way that close, you would say,
you tried your best. You did a great job. You wouldn't say, hey, you're a failure. The people who were
failures are the people in media who controlled everything, the corporations who controlled everything,
the banks, all of these people with, they had all the money, all the power, all the influence,
you listed them all off. And yet somehow they couldn't stop one person from becoming president.
Yeah. You know? We have a lot more power, I think, than people realize. And, you know, those,
those of us who are over where I am, you know, on marriage, on abortion, we're still in the
minority in this country, but the new coalition that has been created with the people like
RFK and Tulsi and Joe Rogan who voted for Bernie Sanders last time, people who five years
ago we would have said, yeah, we don't really have anything in common with them.
Creating common cause with people just in the name of freedom and in the name of standing
against a lot of the corruption that you've been talking about for.
a long time. That has created a new wave of energy and determination that I find a lot of hope in.
Yeah, me too. You know, I think that what the Republican, conservative movement has become,
maybe conservative movement is the wrong word for it, because that's a more specific thing,
but certainly the Republican Party, the Maga movement, whatever you want to call it, it's become a
big tent. And in the past, it wasn't a big tent. But it's now a place where, we're
where Rand Paul and Thomas Massey and Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and
Allie Beth Stuckey can all.
And Bruce Jenner.
Yeah, Bruce Jen can all be voting for the same person, which seemed...
Enthusiastically.
It seemed incomprehensible before.
But what everyone has in common in that group is a commitment to the principles of the
Bill of Rights generally.
And that's good enough for me.
me. We can debate the other stuff in-house. I'm fine with that. And they're worth debating.
Yes, they absolutely are worth debating. No question about it. I think Elon Musk and I think they're wrong
about all, I think he's wrong about all kinds of things. That's fine. But at least we can agree that we
should both be allowed to speak about those things. Right. Yeah. And what the left has become is its own,
and it has been for a while, its own big tent. It has had a big tent for a long time because it had the
Joe Rogans and Elon Musk's and people like that.
It had the elite Joe Biden types, the establishment people.
It had the Washington Post and all those people.
And it had a lot of people in the Jewish community and a lot of people who hate Jewish people
all under one big camp.
They had feminists, radical feminists, and they had people who want like Sharia law almost,
all in the same camp.
But what they all had in common was they wanted to destroy the system.
that we had and rebuild their own version of a utopia.
And they all have their own progressive vision
for what that looks like.
That's slightly different.
The radical feminist is not the same
as the Elon Omar version.
It's different.
And the Republicans just never had that.
And I think finally what occurred,
and I think it may have started
with the Great Reset and COVID and all of that
is the people in the big tent on the left
who are supporters of base
freedoms who kind of believed that, yeah, the Democrat Party, like, we believe in those things,
too. We believe generally, other than the Second Amendment, we agree with all the other amendments,
realize, actually, no, you don't. There's a lot of people in your side that don't believe in any of
those things and want to lock people in their homes and tell them they can't leave. And if you say
something about COVID that they don't agree with, they will throw you off of the internet and ruin your
life or fire you or force you to get a vaccine that you don't want to put in your body. And suddenly
all of this my body, my choice thing
doesn't really make any sense anymore.
And the whole framework started
breaking down for people.
And now Elon Musk,
who voted for Obama
and Joe Rogan, who voted
for Bernie Sanders, have more in common
with me than they do
with people who they were
in the same party with for years and years and years.
And I think if we can keep
that coalition idea
around the
basic human rights,
component of it and work out the details amongst ourselves, I think we could be entering a golden
age for America and the conservative movement. I think that can happen because I think our
version of that is better than the Elon Musk version of it, but I would like, I think we can
debate our way to that. Yeah, I would rather debate from the point of victory than debate as,
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You know, I was thinking as you were talking about all of these crises and how the left responded to them, I mean, there's something about a crisis that is very revelatory about of who someone is and what their philosophy is and how it actually manifests itself tangibly. And that's what we got to see in COVID. All of these things that we have been talking about for so long that the left is they're so tyrannical. They don't really believe in free speech. They don't really believe in freedom of religion. We kind of had a few cases here and there that we could point to, like Supreme Court cases.
but sometimes it's hard to tell someone who is not affected by,
hey, look at this baker in Colorado.
They're ruining his life because he believes in traditional marriage.
But what everyone got to see up close in their own lives was that tyranny and disdain
for your freedom to work, your freedom to make your own medical choices,
your freedom to go to church when and how you want to.
They got to see that up close in COVID.
And they realized, oh, this is.
what the left is. Now, I don't think the dust really settled on all of that until after Joe Biden had
won. I think 2020 actually helped Donald Trump in 2024 more. But the same thing with BLM. It was a crisis.
We saw who they really were that a lot of those activists really just like, they hate people.
They hate them and they want bad things for them. And they want to blame people because of the color of
their skin, not because of anything that they've done. And then I also think 10-7, October 7th,
another crisis that was very illuminating for a lot of people that, oh, like when they're talking
about a free Palestine, they're talking about this.
Oh, they're talking about genocide.
And oh, that's not just people over there.
That's people on our college campuses.
That's what leftism is producing.
And so I think people really got to see the rotten fruit of progressivism through those
three things over the past few years.
And people just kind of like, they woke up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, and the left has become a product of their own insanity.
You know, they've been moving in this direction for a long time.
But it's only recently that they've reached this point in time where, I mean, literally
anyone can be canceled at any moment, no matter how beloved you are by the left.
You've got people like J.K. Rowling is all of a sudden like a bigot.
And Elon Musk is a bigot who needs to be destroyed.
and Joe Rogan is a bigot.
And it's like, weren't these people all on your side like five minutes ago?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, how can they all be bigots?
I thought you liked all of them.
I mean, even Donald Trump was a Democrat once.
You hate him too.
How many people are going to be thrown out of the group?
It seems to be everyone who's not walking the line.
And the line always changes, which is the other thing.
Barack Obama, when he ran for president for the first time, was anti-gay marriage.
Yeah.
I mean, think about that.
Like, Barack Obama 2008 couldn't win today.
He couldn't even come close to winning today with that policy.
Now, he changed and he would change in order to win.
But I just think they became more, they became progressively more authoritarian.
It became progressively more obvious to people.
And I think the more open-minded people on the left realized I can't be a part of this.
I had a person in my personal life who told me, he's not really political, independent.
voted for Democrats, said I've never voted up and down the ticket for one party ever in any
election I've ever done in my life, he's in his 50s or so. But this time, I didn't have to even
think about it. I voted up and down the ticket for Republicans because the left is crazy.
And I can't be part of it. I can't be part of it. Yeah. And I think there were a lot of people,
millions, who felt that way. I think the trans issue really pushed a lot of people over the edge,
which is why you'll notice that Kamala Harris really never brought it up in her campaign.
even in their ads she's got she and then someone else had a pride flag but it's the old pride flag it's the traditional pride flag it didn't have the trans colors on there just the old fashion rainbow that was very purposeful because they knew that that was the bridge too far now that was Joe Biden's first priority first day of his presidency he signed the executive order being like look we're going to change title nine boys must go into these girl spaces she would have done the same
thing. But she knew she couldn't campaign on it. And Justin, I don't know if you've seen this.
I just saw this today. This is maybe the best indication that nature is healing. And once we have
this picture, we will put it up. Alexandria, Lacosio-Cortez, are you ready for this?
I don't know if I am. Today, in her profile on X, she removed her pronouns. No. Yes. It no longer
says she her. That is. Are people running from gender identity?
I saw that she posted, it's funny, I saw that she posted something the other day within a week or so where she was basically like, it was a video and it was her saying, I want to, I want to know what you guys are watching. Like, you know, people who voted for Trump, like, what are you listening to? I want to listen. As if she, as if suddenly she cares what we think or feel. Like, don't give her the list. Don't tell her. And it's just all, I think they have realized that they went too far. Now, the danger of all of this.
is they've proven now that they cannot be trusted because you don't, you know, you're authoritarian,
you have five years of being authoritarian plus a lot of these people. And at that point in time,
I'm sorry, you can't be authoritarian for five years of your life and then suddenly flip a switch
and you're not authoritarian anymore. Yeah. There has to be at least some kind of detransitioning period,
I think. So true. You know, so when when you start to see, you know, the Washington Post and the LA Times and
Alexander Ocasio-Cortez and all of this, start to backtrack a little bit.
What scares me is I don't want the right to suddenly say, okay, great, you're with us now.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, you're not.
Because we're very forgiving.
The right is actually much more redemptive and forgiving, almost to a fault when it comes
to that kind of thing.
Absolutely.
And it would be so easy for us to say, oh, great, like, Black Rock's with us again, you know,
or like these big corporations, suddenly they're just four, like, four, like,
lower taxes, leave us alone.
You know, no, if given the opportunity, they will turn on us the first chance they get.
And we have to remember that in everything we're doing.
And I think, I think that that's going to be one of the most important things that the conservative
movement has to keep in mind.
The conservative movement of our young childhood was totally corrupted by big special interests
and corporations and things like that.
That's exactly right.
And we cannot allow that to happen again.
And those people, like the Dick Cheney's of the world and all the establishment Bush people, they all voted for Kamala, which tells you a lot.
And George Bush didn't tell us who we voted for, but I have a feeling probably wasn't Trump.
Probably not.
Why?
Because those people were never really, they never really believed what we believe.
They just, they had a version of it.
You know, yeah, they liked lower tax.
or something, but they wanted progress.
They were progressives too in their own way.
Yeah.
Just not as crazy of a version of it.
And what I really want is for all of us to keep that in mind and to remember what has
happened and how we cannot go back and that as long as we keep the Bill of Rights and those
essential liberties at the forefront of every conversation we're having, I don't think we'll
drift into that craziness again.
But that has to be the rallying point for us.
So you're saying I should stay strong on my target boycott?
I think that would be okay.
Yeah.
I don't, do you trust?
I mean, you can't trust them.
You can't possibly trust that even if they did everything right.
And in some ways you might want to, there's an argument to be made that, well, maybe we should reward the companies that are now doing the right thing.
But it's just, I don't know.
I can't get over that.
No, I mean, personally.
I don't, I will say, like, and I've said this before, I don't boycott every single thing.
You can't.
Because you can't.
And that's why I never make people feel guilty.
If they're not boycotting Target, but maybe they're boycotting something else.
Maybe they give up Starbucks, whatever.
And so we all just kind of pick and choose for me.
I was just spending way too much money at this company that clearly hates me.
And it was the, like it was the trans clothes for kids, like the compression bras, the packing underwear and all that stuff for kids.
That was just like near too far for me.
And so I can't reward them.
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As you mentioned, we cannot stop fighting and being on our guard because you mentioned that
the progressive side isn't done fighting. They still want their utopia just as much as ever.
There are several means by which they will try to accomplish that.
Corporations is one. But also in D.C., they're going to try to say that Trump isn't the
legitimate president, try to delegitimize him as much as possible. Tell me about this,
like Russian collusion hoax 2.0 that you think is, is rumbling. Yeah, so I've been following this
for a while now. Going back to early 2024, you started to see, you started to see war games and
meetings and things that were reminiscent of sort of the great, early stages of the great reset
and stuff like that. Amongst people on the left,
and establishment progressive Republicans, where they were saying, you know, we think the election
is going to, could be stolen in favor of Trump by the Russians. They started planning out how this
would work out. The way that they imagined it happening was on election day or close to
election day, there would be AI generated content like deep fake videos and, you know, fake news
stories and things that would come out and it would trick people at the last minute into thinking
that something is happening, that Kamala said something she really didn't say or at that time it
was Biden, but something like that. And that the election would suddenly swing to Trump as a result
of this fake stuff. So how are we going to handle it? What do we do? And they're planning all this out
in advance. The left does this all the time. It's really crazy. They have all sorts of
contingency plans for their contingency plans. Yeah. So,
then leading up to the election, in the five or so days before the election, we started seeing
this exact thing happen. The State Department and other government agencies started putting out all
these stories about how there were these deep fakes from Russia, Russia dumping fake news into the
system. They're trying to interfere with the election and steal it. And then all of these big news
outlets, NPR, New York Times, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, started putting out these stories saying
Russia is interfering with the election.
Russia is trying to help Trump win.
Trump's going to benefit from all of this.
And then immediately after the election,
on election day and immediately after.
Same thing.
Flood of news stories.
Russia helped Trump.
Russia helped Trump.
Now, they don't do that kind of thing
in a coordinated way unless there's a reason for it.
They don't just happen to all publish
the same kind of story on the same day
about something that really wasn't dominating the news cycle.
It wasn't like everyone was talking about
Russian interference at that time.
Yeah.
And I think that the plan was, and this sounds a little conspiracy theory-ish, but I think it's true,
I think the plan was if the election was close and there were deep fakes or Russian interference,
which there was some, they were going to say that delegitimized the Trump win if it was close.
I think that was the plan.
It wasn't close.
It was a blowout.
So they can't say that.
But what they can say is Russia held.
helped Trump. And I think that's true. Not in a meaningful way, but I think that it is at least
somewhat true. Russia clearly did dump a bunch of fake news and stuff and deep fakes and things
into the ecosystem that had no meaningful impact, but it had some very tiny little impact that
no one can measure because it's so small. So the why is the left spending all this time talking
about it. Rachel Maddow is now saying things, crazy things about how various people in the Trump
administration have some sort of connection to Russian financiers and, you know, crazy stuff. We're
starting to see all these stories come up again. If you just go on social media and you just
search things like Russia election stolen, you'll see lots of people say Russia stole the election
for Trump and Trump shouldn't be president. I can't believe we're doing this again. Crazy conspiracy
theory type stuff. Now the reason I'm so worried about it this time as opposed to, because it
failed spectacularly the last time and people just voted in Trump. So it's so tempting to say,
well, who cares? Right. Like it's not going to matter. Most people don't care. People don't believe
it. I think the problem with the last round of Russian collusion was you could make the case that
Russia tried to help Trump through Facebook posts and things like that in 2016. But what did Trump
give them in return.
You know, we had years of investigating, and they found nothing.
There was nothing in return given by Trump to Russia.
So it was really hard to make the case, and they ended up failing to make the case,
that there was some sort of secret deal, because Russia never got anything.
Trump was actually tough on Russia, just something that the left didn't want to admit,
but it's true with sanctions and other things.
But this time around, there is something that Russia is going to get.
Very obviously, it's very clear, and I think this is a very clear.
and I think this is why they went back to the well again
because they know this is going to happen.
Trump has said over and over and over again,
one of his day one priorities is,
I'm ending the war with Russia and Ukraine.
I'm ending it.
Now, I think that's a good thing for the world.
I don't want there to be a war between Russia and Ukraine.
I don't want World War III.
I don't want nuclear holocaust.
I don't want any of that stuff.
And if that war ends,
it becomes less likely that those problems happens.
I'm all in favor of that.
But the only way that war ends,
There is literally no way the war ends any other way.
Putin has to get a victory here.
There has to be something in it for him.
And that something is going to be part of the land that they've taken.
There's these disputed territories in the Dumbosk region
that they've been fighting over for actually many, many years,
not just recently.
It's been going on for a long time.
And Putin wants it.
It's mostly Russian-speaking people in those areas.
Why does he want it?
Well, there's a whole lot of reasons for that, but one of the biggest reasons is it's full of a lot of Russian people, partially.
There's this dream that Putin has to sort of reestablish the ancient Russian empire, and this would be part of it because this used to be part of Russia.
Ukraine was part of Russia.
And a lot of people in Putin's orbit believe that Kiev and those places are Russian and should be Russian, and it belongs to them.
stolen after the Soviet Union and all of the stuff.
So there's an element of that going on there.
But they've just spilt so much blood and money and time over many, many years.
They also want there to be a buffer zone between the West and Russia.
And this area provides a really nice buffer zone.
Putin has alleged many times that America was running CIA operations and other intelligence
things against Russia out of Ukraine.
and he believes that Ukraine will be in NATO someday.
He doesn't want NATO on his doorstep.
So having a buffer zone for that is really helpful for him in his mind.
And that's part of the reason why he went in.
So, and he said that very explicitly, actually.
This is why I went in.
So he's going to want that.
And there's not going to be a deal unless he gets that.
And I think Trump is perfectly fine with giving it to him because we got to end the war and he's got to get something.
And that's the art of the deal, right?
You got to give something up in a deal.
So how does Trump have power to give him part of Ukraine?
He does because, not directly, but the Ukrainians cannot fight this war without America.
Without America giving them massive amounts of money, billions and billions of dollars, plus our weapons.
We've been doing this for a long time now.
The war would be over tomorrow if America said, sorry, we're done here.
We're just pulling out of everything.
No more money for you, no more weapons for you.
You figure it out on your own.
the war is over.
Russia wins easily.
And it's not like the EU has come to their aid like America has.
Exactly.
That's a good question to ask.
Why is it America over here and not their neighboring countries?
Great question.
And it's incredible that that has happened.
And we've allowed it to happen.
It should never have happened.
Europe can take care of itself.
They don't need us over there fighting their wars for them.
But the point is, if we do that, strike that deal by saying to Trump,
going to Ukraine saying, we know you don't want to give up any of this land, but we're not giving
you any more weapons and money if you don't take this deal. I think Putin will take it and Ukraine
will have to take it. And Putin will get something out of it. Now, what this does for the left is it
opens up this great opportunity for them to go on TV every single day, to flood thousands of articles
in media saying Putin got a deal from Trump, this mass murdering, horrible.
dictator got a deal from Trump because Trump, you know, because because Putin had helped Trump
win the election. And we saw, we know that Trump was helped by the Russians. We've got all this
news stories and reports from the government. This is well documented. And now Putin gets the payout.
What's the payout? He gets a victory here. He gets to keep some of the land. It's not a total
victory, but it's still a victory. And yeah, the war is over, but Ukraine effectively lost because now
They've lost a part of their country, and they were a sovereign country, and that isn't fair.
And so it's a really clear-cut thing.
And then you'll have, I imagine, all of these examples of women who lost their children in war in Ukraine, whole villages destroyed, people who had been raped by Russian soldiers on and on and on.
And if the left wants to make that a thing, if they want to show people how awful that war has been for the Ukrainians, they easily can do that.
We know that because they convinced more than half the country that every white cop in America
wants to kill every black person that they meet.
They were able to do that by just focusing, hyper-focusing on a limited number of sample size,
right, a small sample size.
So they still have the ability to make people feel really awful about that,
coupled with the fact that there's a pretty good argument that they're going to be able to make.
I don't think it's true in a lot of ways,
but there's a lot of evidence to show
that Russia wanted Trump to win
and actively tried to help Trump
so that he would win.
And I think those two things couple together
create a really tough problem
for the Trump administration
that wants the war to end,
but also doesn't want to look like a sympathizer
for Putin who helped him.
And I think Putin knows all of this, by the way.
And I think that was part of all the calculus.
And I think that dividing the,
country is what they live for over there in Russia. Yes, China too. I feel like China probably would
have wanted Kamala Harris to win. Uh, yeah, I absolutely think that that's the case. There's no,
there's no doubt about it. I mean, Trump is much tougher on trade with China, um,
intellectual property theft and things like that. He's much tougher on China than, um,
and Iran, same thing. Iran, we know, actively tried to stop Trump. They hacked the Trump campaign and
released that information into the public. They supposedly tried to assassinate him. There was
an assassination attempt that went on that was funded, at least in some way, by Iranian government.
So they didn't want him to win either. And there was all kinds of disinformation stuff that they were
doing as well. So, I mean, it sounds crazy, obviously, like this is crazy stuff. But the important
thing to remember is the left has to do something. Right now, it looks like the left just doesn't have any
cards left to play and that they're just going to go quietly into the night and be destroyed by,
you know, by Trump. It's not going to happen. They're going to have a plan. And I think that
the amount of energy and effort that they've put into this particular plan already seems to suggest
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You make such a good point about showing us the horrors of the war and the victims of
the war.
And those are real stories.
And obviously we have compassion for those.
But to use those to try to say this was Trump's plan.
along. He caused this pain, which of course, Russia invaded Ukraine while Joe Biden was president. And so people will
conveniently forget that. They'll say this is all on Trump's hands. They're going to do the same thing.
It's going to be a huge gaslighting emotional manipulation toxic empathy campaign when the deportation
start because he's got Tom Homan and who is, you know, he's a hard o when it comes to deportation
in the border. And that's, I mean, I think that's a good thing. We're a sovereign country.
and we have a right to decide who comes into our country and to secure our borders.
But they are going to show every single sad story of the mom who came here for a better life.
They're going to ignore all the horrid stories of the women who have been murdered and abused
by illegal aliens, children raped by illegal aliens and only hyper focus on like the one
sad story of the seemingly innocent person who came over here illegally.
and they're not going to point out the fact that actually Obama deported far more people than Trump or Biden did, even in just his four years.
He deported millions and millions of people. I don't remember ever hearing their sad sob stories.
I don't even really remember hearing about the deportations at all.
We only hear about deportations when Trump is in office.
The number one president for deportations in history was Bill Clinton.
Yeah.
Over 10 million deportations while he was president.
President of the United States. You never heard about that back then.
Good for Bill. So I totally agree with you. And I think these are these, I absolutely agree that
that's going to happen. I think that they are in a lot of ways very similar. The idea here is we
want to show Trump is an authoritarian dictator type figure sympathetic to it in the case of Putin
openly helping and being helped by a dictator in that case. In the other situation, it's,
well, only a dictator would round people up and then deport them and do these horrible things to pour
I saw one person on the view recently
and she was talking about these abuelos and abuelas
are going to be stolen in the night
and forced to come back to Mexico.
And I'm just like, this is,
this is totally absurd.
It's totally absurd.
Ignoring, by the way, that Hispanics just voted for Trump.
55% of Latino men.
And so why did that happen if all their abuelas
are about to be stolen away?
I think that this is completely ridiculous,
but it has the potential.
It is a danger that we need to be aware of
because the media still,
as ineffective and impotent as they are,
have become, I should say,
are still very good at emotional manipulation.
Oh, yeah.
And they are going to run with that 100%.
They did it with the children in cages thing
when Trump was president the last time,
at the border and all of that.
Which Obama did too.
Yep, which Obama did too.
They ignored it.
by the way.
They were detention centers.
And they ignore, as you pointed out, all the human trafficking and well, well documented,
the organized crime, the murders on the border, all they don't care about any of that.
It doesn't serve their political purposes.
So I am extremely worried about that.
And I think people need to be prepared for it.
We as a conservative movement historically has been horribly unprepared for these things.
And then they sort of happen and we're like playing catch.
up to it, right?
It's true.
We need to be ahead of these things now.
And you know what?
If none of this happens and the media just ignores the deportations and decides that actually
Trump isn't a fan of Putin anymore and now all of us, great, I hope that happens.
But in the event that that doesn't occur, we need to all be ready for it.
Yeah.
And we need to start preparing for how we're going to respond to it.
Yeah.
Well, people like you help us get prepared for those things because you are looking well beneath
the headlines beyond the headlines to what is really going on and what is starting to go on
in the background. And I'm thankful for that. Okay, your latest book, remind us at the title and where
people can get it. Propaganda Wars. You can get it. Glenn's new book. I wrote the book with
Glenn Beck in case people didn't know. It is an awesome book. We go into all sorts of details
related to this and other topics. But the biggest thing is it's a book to help train people to
know the difference between truth and lies, propaganda, and all of the truth. And all the truth. And
also how they can become part of the solution. It's a book meant to help train people to do the
things that Glenn and I do and that you do, discovering the truth, uncovering what elites are up to.
And so I urge anyone who's interested at all in becoming part of the solution to check out
propaganda wars. Yeah. And it might be more important now than ever because they are going to
hold on to whatever power they have to manipulate people into hating Donald Trump again. I think a good
pairing would actually be propaganda wars and toxic empathy because we also go through a lot of
the propaganda that especially affects Christians. But so good. Thank you so much, Justin. Always
so fascinating to talk to you. I really appreciate it. Thanks, Alan. Before we go, we have a bonus
segment. So last week, I wanted to talk to Matt Marquez. He is the co-owner of the restaurant,
movable feast in Wheaton, Illinois, who has received so much unfair backlash from Liverpool.
liberals in their area because they put out a Trump sign after he won the election. Well,
we had some tech issues last week. We weren't able to get the Zoom going. And so we were only
able to record this short snippet with Matt, but I want to play it for you because I want
him to get the support, his family to get the prayers and encouragement that they need. So here is
Matt Marquez. Matt, thanks so much for joining us. I'm so excited to get your perspective on
everything that has happened. You own movable feast. You put up a sign saying, Jesus is my
savior. Trump is my president. Make America healthy again. Why did you decide to speak out about
your beliefs in that way? Well, yeah. First of all, I mean, we've always been outspoken and
speak our mind and we feel that our business is a good platform to be able to share what we believe.
And we were excited. We voted for President Trump, and it was the day after we were just happy that he won, and we thought it was a good way to proclaim the name of Jesus and be happy about our new president.
And so this happened, you put this up the day, like election day or the day after election day?
Yeah, we make America healthy. Again, signs my wife had made from a local print store. They had our little storefront picture on.
there, and we put those up probably a week prior to the election. And we even got some hate for that.
And so, yeah, the Trump and the Jesus is my Savior sign went up the day of the election. So we
didn't think we were really doing anything divisive or, you know, anything out of the ordinary,
just speaking our minds and just telling people who we are. So you did not expect to get the
blowback that you have. I was actually texting our family group chat when I was hanging it up. Some guy drove by
and Hawk and gave the thumbs up and I was like, heck yeah.
So I thought that that would kind of be the reaction people would honk.
We got a lot of negative and horrible messages over 2000, I think, at this point of all
from hateful, death threats, just wishing ill will on us and our family and the business to
fail.
But we've also got a lot of good outpouring support from the community and people that agree
with us or even if they don't agree with us, they don't agree with how people are treating
us.
So I think the main thing that we've just been asking people,
if you could just pray for us, that'd be the first thing, and obviously the main thing.
But yeah, that's pretty much all we would ask anyone to do.
We wouldn't ask for anything monetarily.
Just somebody praying for us is enough.
Yeah, well, that's awesome.
And people, of course, if they're local or if they're anywhere close by,
they can come to movable feast, they can try y'all's awesome food.
Hopefully, y'all are also getting words of encouragement via Instagram and however people
can contact you because that really makes a difference in lifting your spirits.
And I know this audience will absolutely be praying for y'all and thinking of your family.
And God bless y'all for standing up.
You didn't have to.
And you made your beliefs known.
And that encourages other people to do the same.
So it really makes a difference.
So great work and all the best to y'all.
Thank you very much.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
