Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1113 | Doctor Warning Against Trans 'Care' SILENCED by Gag Order | Guest: Andrea Haim

Starting point is 00:00:01 Dr. Ithahnheim is a whistleblower from Texas Children's Hospital where he uncovered doctors secretly performing transgender procedures to gender-confused children. Well, he has been indicted by the federal government on a bunch of bogus charges and he has just been given a gag order. The judge is threatening him with federal prison if he does not stop talking about this case. Well, now his wife, Andrea Heim, who is a lawyer, is here to tell us what is really going on. This is a fascinating and disturbing look at the incompetence and the evil that exist in parts of our government. And it's time for us to share the arrows with the Heim family. This episode is brought to you by our friends of Good Ranchers.

Starting point is 00:00:53 Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley. Check out. That's good ranchers.com. Code Allie. Andrea, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. I saw your thread on X. Some people are probably familiar if they remember Vanessa Sivage's episode that we did.

Starting point is 00:01:18 But could you just remind us who is your husband? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for having me on Allie Beth. So my name is Andrea Heim. My husband is Dr. Atonheim. He is a general surgeon and he was a blower who exposed the Texas Children's Hospital, which is the largest children's hospital in the world, was lying to the public about the existence of its transgender program for children.

Starting point is 00:01:44 As a result of his whistleblowing, the Texas legislature passed SB 14, which was the law banning transgender care for minors in the state of Texas, which took effect in September, and an investigation started into Texas Children's from the Texas Attorney General's office. After that, we received a felony indictment against my husband. He's been indicted on four felony counts for various completely made up and baseless violations of HIPAA. And we've been fighting that since June of 2023. So, you know, I think, I do think what happened was in retaliation for him speaking out. But ultimately, our goal was always to protect children.

Starting point is 00:02:27 I'm speaking out today instead of him because my husband is under what we've been calling a de facto gag order or a non-gaggag order. he's been really active on X posting about what's happened to us in this case and some of the government corruption that we've experienced. And the judge has basically instructed him not to continue to speak out about the government, about the prosecutors. And we don't know the consequences for violating that. And I can get into specifically what we think that order means. but for now it's safer for me to be the one speaking out on his behalf. Okay, so tell me what your husband saw that compelled him to speak out about it. Obviously, we know that these transgender procedures, the medications prescribed,

Starting point is 00:03:20 it wasn't supposed to be happening and yet it was continuing to happen. But what specifically did he see that made him say, okay, I've got to say something about this? So we have been married only a couple months. We got married in August of 2022. And in fall of 2022, Aiton was working as a surgery resident. So he was doing his surgical training at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, one of the best surgery training programs in the country. And they cover a variety of hospitals around the Texas Medical Center,

Starting point is 00:03:51 which is the largest medical center in the world, including Texas Children, the largest children's hospital in the world. My husband did a lot of work there. And some of his colleagues had told him that they were implanting puberty blocking devices into children as young as 11 years old, 11, 12, 15-year-old kids. So we sort of heard this just as a rumor. My husband had done those procedures before, but only on kids who actually had real hormonal deficiencies and needed that treatment. So the fact that they were doing it on kids who claimed to have gender dysphoria was really surprising. So he told me that this, you know, that he had heard rumors of this going on.

Starting point is 00:04:31 People had told him specifically that they had done it. And, you know, we started to look into it further. And the first thing I did was Google Texas Children's, you know, transgender program. It didn't exist on the Internet. And that's really remarkable. Texas Children didn't put anything out. And the only thing that you could see was a statement from March of 2022 in which Texas Children's Hospital stated an attorney general opinion that these procedures may be considered they restarted it.

Starting point is 00:05:12 So it was surprising to hear these procedures. We have the most rare chromosomal diseases. You know, everything has a place that treat their child's condition. And then someone sent my husband a link to a Zoom conference in January of 2023, which was hosted by the Baylor College of Medicine medical ethics organization. It is essentially a medical ethics student organization. And we joined that Zoom call. Myself, I understand that Texas children had an extensive transgender medicine program.

Starting point is 00:06:06 They were implanting puberty blockers. And as young as 11 years old, stopped the program. That they, you know, were, they had the doctors who were part of this program on there. And those doctors said that they were telling parents that they needed to agree or concern puberty blockers. Otherwise, you know, at sense they use this line, which I know that Vanessa said. a lot. And I think this is one of the most malicious lives that has to do with the transgender medicine Supreme Court. The attorney for the ACLU admitted or these hormonal interventions. And we knew that they were doing that to parents. We knew they were doing that to children.

Starting point is 00:07:19 And they admitted in that Zoom conference as well that they were doing it to hide in a way to write down. The whole thing was the outside public to parents who may be taking their children to text children. You would never know that this program existed. Quick pause to tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is Cozy Earth. A set of sheets from Cozy Earth or a set of pajamas or loungeware would be an amazing gift for Christmas. I just got two new pajama sets from Cozy Earth. They're amazing. They're my favorite things ever. I am wearing them every day, every night. I love them so much. And we love our Cozy Earth sheets. Have for such a long time I've gotten so spoiled. I can't sleep on any other kind of sheet because, They are so soft. They're so luxurious. They're so breathable. And the best part is with my code, you get a really, really good deal.

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Starting point is 00:09:01 He also found a Rand Brown's lecture, which was, you know, these are hosted by the pediatric program at Texas Children. They're open to the public. And they are essentially, you know, like the most prestigious lecture series within the hospital, which states. So we learned from that that the program existed in exactly how. they were starting children on puberty blockers, young, then moving to cross-text hormones, and then advising moving on to actually mis-examine things like that.

Starting point is 00:09:34 So we started to learn about that, and then he started reaching out anonymously to journalists in spring of 2023. He wanted to get the story out and have people know what was happening, that Texas Children's was lying to the public. But at that time, we were completely anonymous. You know, he didn't want anyone to know his identity, frankly. And then alongside the journalist Christopher Rufo in May, 23, Chris Rufo finally picked up the story and saw what was happening. In addition to the evidence I just mentioned, my husband provided redacted surgeries and endocrine clinic schedules, which showed unequivocally that they were doing transgender procedures on children at Texas children.

Starting point is 00:10:20 And this was 2023 that he was talking to Christopher Rufo and he just thought, okay, I need to get this out there. Can you tell me, before we go on, why did it disturb your husband so much? Not just when it comes to the hospital lying about it. Obviously there's an ethical issue there. But I am gathering that he was disturbed by the procedures themselves. And so medically and morally, why was he against these procedures happening? The procedures involved, so the main thing that Texas children was doing that we were aware of were puberty blockers, and they were doing it in two ways. They were prescribing medication puberty blockers and doing injections, and they were also implanting surgical devices into the arm. And I haven't done these procedures before, and he explained them to me at length. Essentially what you do is you cut into a child's arm, and you implant a small device that's about this big that stays, I believe, it's a barrier that it stays in there. And the puberty blockers in the Supreme Court oral argument in this for many case last week, render children infertile. The evidence has overwhelmingly showed that children who start three blockers will never have, you know, in almost all cases, not be able to have children. They also have long-term effects, including affecting brain development, your heart, your growth.

Starting point is 00:11:58 you know, young boys may never have adults' genitalia, you know, that it stunts your growth in every way. There are 20-year-olds with osteoporosis because of the hormones that they're started on. And this is just the beginning. The puberty blockers are back enough in and of themselves. But 90-something percent of those children who go on puberty blockers end up on cross-ex hormones. Yeah. And surgery. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:23 So I think, you know, people say, or at least on, you know, proponents of transgender care for children have said that these procedures are not anymore. They say that they're reversible, that it's no big deal, that you're just pausing for a little bit. But your husband knows from a medical standpoint that's not true. And just to clarify, reiterate, you already said this, but to reiterate again, that your husband has performed these procedures, but not because a healthy child just thinks that they're the opposite sex, but there may be some actual legitimate medical diagnosis that requires puberty blockers or something like that. So what your husband saw was, okay, this is being used for a non-legitimate diagnosis and that it's not required. This child is not requiring to be put on cross-ex hormones

Starting point is 00:13:15 or to be given a puberty blocker. This is going to carry risks that really have no reward on the other side. So even just from a scientific standpoint, your husband is thinking this is a huge problem and parents are being manipulated and the public. in the state is being lied to. Absolutely. And I think, I know you've had Vanessa Sivage on your show. She was a nurse with a blower that came out after Aiton came out in May of 2023. They both initially came out anonymously.

Starting point is 00:13:45 And as Vanessa said, she used to describe what was going on in these patient groups. So they were asking children as young as 11 to consent to a loss of fertility. I can't. I just had a baby two months ago. I can't have even imagined having the mental capacity to know what that means and to make decision at 11 years old. So I think morally what was happening to these children, they were being put on irreversible medical treatments that have a host of serious medical risks that stay with them forever.

Starting point is 00:14:17 And the parents were being appropriately informed about it. And the children can't consent to it. So it was really what was happening was absolutely disturbing. And I think we both knew. He certainly knew. And I agreed with him that he needed to speak out. Every Life is the first and only pro-life diaper company. They really put their money where their mouth is when it comes to the pro-life cause.

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Starting point is 00:16:18 But he never intended to you either. You know, we were perfectly content to remain anonymous to get the information out there to the people who needed it, namely the legislature. So in May of 2023, Christopher Rufo publishes an article. My husband is listed as an anonymous whistleblower that included these schedules, that included the Zoom conference. the president included the grand round lecture showing that texas children was flying the public and he shows that that article from what we've spoken we've spoken to people in the texas government who

Starting point is 00:16:56 said that that article was disseminated to every senator that was voting on sb 14 which was the fail to ban transgender uh interventions on minors and that vote happened a day or maybe two days after my husband's story went public um when that story went public, there were representatives, particularly from the Houston area, including Democrats, who came out and said, I didn't know this was happening in my

Starting point is 00:17:24 district, and they switched their votes, and the bill ultimately passed. And so, you know, transgender interventions on minors are illegal under Texas law now. That happened in May 2023. So I think at minimum, my husband's story had an influence on that building.

Starting point is 00:17:42 Absolutely. The Texas Attorney General's office, Ken Paxton's office, started an investigation into Texas Children's, which I don't know the status of that, but I believe it's still ongoing. And Vanessa came out and said what was happening inside the clinic room. So we were content. That was it. We were done. You know, my husband, honestly. But a month later, in June of 2023, the day of my husband's graduation from his medical residence,

Starting point is 00:18:12 surgical residency. We received a knock on the door from two armed federal agents from Health and Human Services who told Atom that they were here to investigate the case involving medical records. And at the time, we were getting ready for his graduation. His family was in town. It was a celebratory day. Then he says, there's two federal agents here from HHS and they want to talk to me. And so I get ready as quickly as I can. I think I had half of the face of makeup. I'm not the video camera from criminal adjudication 101. Come to your home. So I took Aeton into the bedroom and we talked about it.

Starting point is 00:19:11 And I said, I really think that it was called a target letter informing him that he was the target of a criminal investigation. So that day, I mean, it was one of the most real days of my life. We had no idea of the name of an attorney who's now my husband's attorney. I had champagne at the apartment because it was in the. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about that. Tell me what the timeline has been since.

Starting point is 00:20:41 and what does this fight looked like? So after June 223, my husband was under investigation. And what happened over the next six months is I can only describe it as corruption. You know, it was unbelievable what the communications with the attorneys and the federal prosecutor was like. The federal prosecutor on the case at the time was the woman named Tina Ansari. She's a prosecutor in the Southern District of Texas. And from the beginning, she made clear that she sent federal. agents to our home without knowing what statute she would have been prosecuting a con after.

Starting point is 00:21:17 She couldn't name it. They believed that he released what he had done. She wanted him to apologize. And most importantly, what is meant by victims from the ACLU? So the ACLU is representing, we understand, and this is all laid out in a letter that where they've laid out all of the corruption that happened prior to January 20, including communications with prosecutor, because what happened with. 2023 or 24?

Starting point is 00:22:24 Early 2024 is when, I'm sorry. Early 2020. That's okay. I just want to make sure. So because at that point, you had seen the corruption. You knew that you were under or he was under federal investigation. You would talk to these prosecutors who apparently don't even know what exactly they're prosecuting. So then in January 2024 at the beginning of this year is when you talk to Congress and you were like, this is everything that's been happening.

Starting point is 00:22:48 And so, yes, sorry, continue on. what is the ACLU's involvement in this? So the ACLU, we believe, was representing the transgender children who are going to Texas children. Again, their identities have never been released. They're not released by my husband. Nobody could identify them. In fact, the government was released to the nation about these children than we ever did. Because their indictment includes the initials of the kids, something my husband is not included in what he and Christopher Rupa.

Starting point is 00:23:20 So I'm sorry. You understand because you're an attorney, and so you can help me understand how. So it's the feds that have indicted your husband. But he's not getting sued by the ACLU, correct? So was it the ACLU and the patient? So is it that the patients, after Christopher Rufo's article came out, they would have gone to the ACLU and the ACLU would have then complained to the government and said, hey, you need to get this guy?

Starting point is 00:23:50 I believe so. Okay. So we don't really know. To be honest, I can't tell you exactly what the involvement is. Got it. We know that she mentioned talking to the families and the victims and we know that the ACLU was involved in some capacity. I couldn't tell you exactly what we're going. Got it.

Starting point is 00:24:07 Got it. Okay. Okay. So your husband talks to Congress in January 2024. Yeah. My husband's lawyer to write a letter to Congress explaining what's been happening. And really, I mean, there are two other things that happened during that sort of June to December, 2020, three time period.

Starting point is 00:24:24 One was that she told my husband, and this is in the letter that my lawyers wrote to Congress, recognizing that any false statements would be legally actionable. She told my husband essentially that if he didn't plead that she was going to go after him for a felony and that she was going to go after him without concern for losing. So she said to my husband's attorneys, from the beginning that this was a malicious prosecution.

Starting point is 00:24:54 The other thing that she did was she threatened, in the very first conversation she had with my attorney, she threatened my career. I actually worked at the Department of Justice myself. And at the time, I was going, I was undergoing a federal background check. Because of an assistant U.S. attorney gets background check. And she said that if, unless,

Starting point is 00:25:20 that she would not inform the FBI's background checkers of me telling my husband to exercise with constitutional rights to speak to an attorney that she wouldn't inform them of what happened unless I became difficult. Okay. I've become difficult lately. Yeah. But you do have your job? I do have my job, yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:45 Yeah. And I work in a completely different districts and a completely different division. So I don't have a case. Right. But yes, I do work for the department of job. Yes. And what has happened since them? What has happened this year?

Starting point is 00:26:00 In January of 2024, because of everything that we had learned, we knew that they were going to bring it to an indictment. I mean, they were absolutely determined the sheer volume of the corruption that we had experienced, made it clear that my husband needed to speak out in his own defense. So in January, 24, while he was still under investigation but had not yet been indicted, my husband went public. And he told the world, first in an interview with Chris Rufo, that I am the anonymous whistleblower from Texas children. Here's what I saw happening.

Starting point is 00:26:34 And I'm under federal investigation. And that was a hard decision. I would say that in some ways it was the hardest decision that we made because it's a very rare situation in which a criminal defendant is willing to speak so publicly on their vet. most lawyers would tell you don't speak to the media don't you know just keep it quiet just you know let's see if we can work this out but what we experienced this was not a typical case and my husband wanted to tell people what was happening because people needed to know what the DOJ was doing and the first time that people heard his name we wanted them to hear it as atonheim whistleblower and not a tonheim you know criminal defendant

Starting point is 00:27:19 which is what he is. He's a whistleblower. So in January, 2024, he went public. He was on a lot of media. He was on Tucker Carlson, Dr. Phil, Laura Ingraham multiple times, a lot of others that I'm not naming. He filmed a Jordan Peterson interview in June of 2023

Starting point is 00:27:39 that has over a million views. So, I mean, really, he was trying to publish our message as wide as we could. The other reason that we did that because we very quickly ran out of much. We spent our entire life savings years of hard work. You know, I didn't spend a lot of money when I was younger, neither did my husband. We were saving up for our future, and we drained all of our life savings in about three months.

Starting point is 00:28:09 And so we knew that we needed to go public, in addition to all the reasons I just mentioned, part of it was because we needed to be able to get the message out there to fundraise for our legal defense. And people have been incredibly generous. We still have a lot to go. But that was one of the reasons that we did that as well. Yeah. And we will put up the link to your Gives and Go in the description. So anyone who wants to donate anything, I'm sure anything helps. But we'll make sure that the link is up so people can click directly on that. Next sponsor is good ranchers. If you have not subscribed to good ranchers yet, if you are not getting that box of American meat to your front door every month, what are you doing? Are you still wasting time

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Starting point is 00:30:44 and that is very dark. Absolutely. And there is not a doubt in my mind that this was ideologically driven. This case, you know, the indictment, my husband was indicted in June of 2024. And, you know, reading what they charged him with, they charged him not with disclosing medical records, which is typically when you, how you would charge HIPAA. They charged him with accessing medical records that he has access to. and that as a doctorate hospital, he was authorized to access.

Starting point is 00:31:18 So it's an absolutely insane Kafka-esque legal theory, legal procedure. But nonetheless, in June of 2024, two days after we had moved into our new house, at 7 in the morning, we got a really aggressive knock on the door. And it was three or four armed federal marshals who served my husband with an indictment for felony counts of PIPA, accessing medical records, and something that almost never charges a felony and certainly never charges a felony in this context, carrying 10 years in prison.

Starting point is 00:31:56 Wow. So my husband was arraigned about a week later in Houston, and right before him had been, you know, they were arraining people on crimes of, you know, child porn possession, drug possession, things like that, drug trafficking, all of which carried similar length sentences to what my husband was facing. It was really surreal. So, okay, so can you tell us, since you're a lawyer, you can break down the legalese for us.

Starting point is 00:32:26 He was originally charged in 2023, but you said he was indicted in 2024. Can you tell us the difference between a charge and an indictment? So he went to the target of a federal investigation in 2023. Got it. He was informed the investigation was happening. usually when the DOJ says that you're a tar actually it's required that when someone is the target of investigation that they are the person who's going to be indicted it's different than being a witness in an investigation June 2023 we learned that he was under federal investigation

Starting point is 00:33:04 and that he was likely to be indicted um in June of 2020 or sorry June of 2024 he was actually indicted, meaning that they had gone to the grand jury and specifically got an indictment and laid out the charges, which are for felony counts of HIPAA, carrying up to 10 years in prison. Okay. And what happens at an arraignment? You said that he was arraigned in Houston a couple months ago? Yes. That's where you plead guilty or not guilty before a magistrate judge.

Starting point is 00:33:38 So he had pled not guilty, of course. and then the case really just continues. You know, we got discovery from the government where they provided him with evidence of what they're allegedly charging him with and we start preparing for trial. Initially trial was set in August of 2024. It was since moved to October

Starting point is 00:34:03 and then was moved to December and most recently moved to early February. So right now his trial is scheduled for early February. There's been a lot happening in this case since then. I'm happy to get into this gag order is just one of those things. Yes. Yeah, go for it. I think the biggest thing.

Starting point is 00:34:24 Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say, I think the biggest thing that's happened in this case is that the government's initial indictment charged him with false pretense, that he had illegally accessed records under false pretenses. their belief was that he had quote no reason to be accessing medical records at texas children at the time he accessed the medical records he was officially working as part of their residency program he was officially working at another hospital but what the government knew and what they

Starting point is 00:35:00 failed to include in the indictment was that my husband actually was treating patients at texas children's hospital both adult patients and pediatric patients even when he was working at this other hospital because he was often called to assist with surgeries there. And we knew that in April of 2023, he actually performed surgery at Texas Children. So he had every reason to be in their medical system and to be accessing their medical records. The government knew that and they indicted him anyway and said that he had no reason. When we pointed that out, they actually had to go back and change their indictment to take all of that out. they also had

Starting point is 00:35:38 so they had to change their indictment once and then they had to change it again because they had multiple typos in their indictment including where they didn't even include the statutes that they were charging them under

Starting point is 00:35:53 the most legally operative part of the indictment was a typo they charged him with a statutory provision that didn't exist so they embarrassed themselves and they had to change it they also initially just said that he was that the victims were Texas children's doctors and patients. Later, they changed it to say that the victims were Texas children's

Starting point is 00:36:16 hospital and the doctors. So there's a lot, I mean, there's a lot of things that made it very clear that, you know, I think it was Stalin's head of the secret police area who said, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right. And that's exactly what it is. They knew they wanted to get him for, because he, He had an ideological opposition to transgender care on children, and that was the priority

Starting point is 00:36:40 of the Biden administration. And so they invented new crimes that had never been charged before in order to target him. And the process is the punishment also, even if it ends up that he is vindicated, the fact that you guys have had to spend your life savings while you've had a baby instead of just celebrating his, you know, his graduation and then getting pregnant and have a baby, which I know that you have enjoyed and celebrated all of those things. But it is against this backdrop of this investigation. And instead of saving for your child's future, you have had to spend all of your money, all these donations on legal fees. And that is the punishment. And they are trying to show

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Starting point is 00:38:47 gag order so December 3rd and i just want to return to one thing about sure go ahead this is illustrative of exactly what this proposition has what the toll that it's taken on our family so my daughter was born on september 25th um unexpectedly she was a couple weeks early But I had gone in for my 38-week appointment and had high blood pressure, and so my doctor is ever. I gave birth to my daughter by emergency C-section on September 25th. On September 26th, my husband was due in Houston for a hearing in federal court. Wow. So I actually had an emergency C-section a few hours before my husband had to leave to go to Houston.

Starting point is 00:39:35 and, you know, he spent a few, I think once, maybe two hours at most with me and our daughter, and he had to leave when I was still in post-stop recovery. Fortunately, my parents were able to be there with me, but that's the type of toll that this is taken. Is that something is, you know, happy, the best day of my life was the day that, you know, our baby daughter was born. And my husband had to leave early because of this proceeding. And then for weeks after that, I was constantly.

Starting point is 00:40:05 I constantly think about the fact that he's being charged with 10 years in person. Yeah. And you're still freshly postpartum right now. Like two months, that's fresh. You've got a lot going on in your mind and your body to be also dealing with this. And now you're basically the spokesperson for your husband because he can't speak up. That's right. That's absolutely right.

Starting point is 00:40:26 So it's just been tough. And I think, you know, sometimes I just will look at him holding our daughter and think, you know, what they're trying to keep us. They're trying to put him in person. for 10 years to miss, you know, the beginning of her growing up. And, you know, sometimes that can get overwhelming and it can get really, really dark. So I just wanted to tell that story because I think that illustrates what, you know, the process is the punishment.

Starting point is 00:40:54 Oh, absolutely. All the worry that we've got, all of the financial toll, you know, it's been immense. But I think, you know, they're trying to say to your point that this isn't worth it to speak up. And as somebody who's been through it and have you seen my husband go through it, I don't think either of us for a second would have changed what he did because protecting these children and what they're doing to these kids and the life that they're leaving them with and taking away their choice to have a family and leaving them with irreparable medical conditions is so much more than what's happened to us.

Starting point is 00:41:30 So I don't think either of us would have changed that. Well, I'm very grateful. So, yes, tell us why you are now the spokesperson. You're a very good spokesperson for him. And so I even think that was providential that you also had the legal background and you're able to articulate as well as you are. But tell us why he is not legally able to be his own spokesperson right now. Sure. So the government recently moved for what's called a gag order to stop him from speaking out.

Starting point is 00:42:01 And there are two things that pursue this. My husband, you know, as I mentioned, has been very active in the media. He's has a very active account on X where he talks about, in honest terms, what has happened to us throughout this case, what the government's been doing. And in most cases, he uses clips of, you know, screenshots of public hearings from this case, transcripts of public hearings, transcripts, emotions that anyone can download on the Internet. So he's just been talking about what's happened. And two things have happened recently in this case that I think, you know, in some ways probably precipitated their request for a gag order. One of these is that the government absolutely embarrassed themselves at a hearing a couple of weeks ago. They, you know, the lead prosecutor was completely unprepared.

Starting point is 00:42:48 They were, you know, disciplined by the judge for not being prepared for the typos that I mentioned in the indictment for various other things, practicing without law license, things like that. So my husband was publishing, you know, transcripts of that hearing and commenting on them. The other thing that we learned is that the lead prosecutor on the case, the one who had been pushing us all along, had serious financial conflicts and personal conflicts with Texas Children's Hospital. Her brother, who's the CEO of their family company, has contracts with several hospitals in the medical center. And both her brother and her aunt are fundraisers for Texas Children's Hospital. What's her name again? Her name is Tina Ansari. Okay.

Starting point is 00:43:35 And they have major, her family members are major fundraisers for Texas Children's Hospital. We're talking in the millions of dollars. So we learned that. My husband had been talking about that publicly. There was a Fox News article that came out about these conflicts recently. And after all of this, so she's now no longer on the case. We don't know why, but I suspect it has something to do with. does two things. Shortly after that, you know, my husband's been posting on X since at least

Starting point is 00:44:06 January 2024, but they've only moved for a gag order recently. And they asked the court to silence him to stop him from what they called online bullying of prosecutors. Mind you, this is the same office that commonly prosecutes cartel members and serious violent offenders. My husband, her bully, He called them, you know, saying that they were incompetent, all things which are, by the way, they walked through all of this. And it was clear that, you know, this is something that I think the judge, he didn't really say his reasoning, but it seemed clear that he didn't like what was talking about, you know, imposed what we've been calling a non-gag gag order or a de facto gag order. He told Aton and his attorneys to essentially stop talking about the case in the media,

Starting point is 00:45:52 to stop talking about the judge to stop talking about the prosecutors. But he did threaten my husband with federal prison if he continues to what he had been doing on X. Yeah. So you said the judge threatened Duton with federal prison and his attorneys with sanctions if they continue to post so-called inflammatory content on X about the DOJ's corruption in this case. And you also said that when the judge, I guess, put up these ex posts. and threatened, you know, your husband with federal prison that it was so absurd that there was audible laughter in the courtroom, including a post from one of Yaton's attorneys, which referred

Starting point is 00:46:37 to the bungling illicit twitching pile of catastrophe that this case is. So these posts were the ones put up that the judge was trying to very seriously say, see, these are awful, these are inflammatory, this is why we must put a gag order on you. And you're saying people in the courtroom laughed? It wasn't the judge that put them up. It was the prosecutors. Okay. So the property leader I see. I just said that wrong.

Starting point is 00:47:01 And told the judge, this is an example of the types of things he'd been sent. He's been sent to object to. So yeah, and that's exactly right. It's not only were they

Starting point is 00:47:09 listing A ton posts, that they were listing a post from his attorneys and then from various ex-users who, you know, made these comments. I think, you know, one of them called the prosecution team,

Starting point is 00:47:23 the clown car of incompetent midwits or something like that. there was audible laughter in the courtroom. I mean, there were media there. You know, people on our side were there. There were some other prosecutors there. There was audible laughter when they put these things up.

Starting point is 00:47:39 That's how it turns out. A clown car of laughable midwits. Well, it's a funny picture. It's a funny mental picture. And, of course, the government wants to be taken very seriously. And so anything that hurts their pride, they are going to try to silence as much as much as possible. So what are next steps for you guys?

Starting point is 00:47:57 You're awaiting trial, which starts in February, you believe? That's right. Yeah, trial starts in February. Early February is when it's scheduled, I think February 10th is a jury selection. So for now, I think we're just moving forward. We're trying to get the word out of what happened in this case. I think, you know, essentially what the judge did by not writing down a gag order. Normally, if you're going to gag someone's first amendment rights, if you're going to,

Starting point is 00:48:24 stop them from exercising their constitutional right to speak, typically you would put that in an order on paper that we can appeal to the appellate court. And he didn't do that. And so it's really sort of a looming threat of what happens if my husband speaks out, what happens if the attorney to speak out. And we just don't know. So for now, I'm going to continue to speak out. I think what happened with this gag order hearing is a travesty. I do. think it's unconstitutional, in my opinion. And so I'm not going to allow the government to tell us what we can and can't say about this case. And people need to know because the gag order is just the culmination of everything that has happened to us in this case with the hands of the government.

Starting point is 00:49:10 It's, you know, the cherry on the top of a Sunday of incompetence and corruption that we've seen. And so to me, it's important that people know what's happening in this case. They know that my husband's First Amendment rights are under attack. But I'm not bound by the jurisdiction of the court, and I can speak freely about what has been happening to us. So I'm going to continue to do that pending trial. Last sponsor for the day is NetSuite. This is for business owners. Over 38,000 businesses have future-proofed their business with NetSuite by Oracle, the number one cloud ERP, bringing accounting, financial management, inventory, HR into one fluid platform. With one unified business management suite, there's one source of truth giving you the visibility

Starting point is 00:50:02 and control you need to make quick decisions. Real-time insights and forecasting so you can look into the future with actionable data. You can close your books a lot more quickly, saving you really valuable time. Right now, you can download the CFO's guide to AI and machine learning at net suite.com slash alley. That free guide is at net suite.com slash alley. My goodness, the fact that they would try to inhibit his First Amendment rights because their feelings were hurt or they were embarrassed. I'm looking at some of these posts that he retweeted someone by the name of Kyle Serafin. I don't know all of these ex-users, but I'd like to see government officials learn their job is public, paid for by the

Starting point is 00:50:49 public and open to the public scrutiny. The number of effeminate clowns at DOJ who blatantly engage in bad faith legal work is stunning. It is my life's to professionally skewer and embarrass these absolute stooges, someone, I don't know who this person is on X and X user. The prosecutorial team is a clown car of incompetent midwits, and it's not going well for them. So now the DOJ, and it just goes on and on explaining what happened. And so I know that your lawyers are fighting for his First Amendment rights. Sorry if you've already explained this, but is there a chance that this, could be lifted, he will continue to be able to speak out?

Starting point is 00:51:32 I think right now, you know, the instruction is what it is. You know, I think we're certainly he's abiding by it and his attorneys are abiding by it. My decision to speak out has nothing to do with him. You know, as soon as I, you know, heard that his, you know, he was being limited and being able to speak out, I wanted to speak out. So I just want to be very clear that he doesn't have, he doesn't write my back post. I write my own next post. I wanted to speak out from the get-go.

Starting point is 00:52:03 This is, you know, my decision 100%. So I think it could change. I doubt that it will before trial. I think, you know, this is just something that we're going to have to live with. And he's abiding by the judge's instruction as are his attorneys. So it's just a matter of how do we continue to get the message out? and my personal desire to have people know what's going on in this case. Yes, and amen.

Starting point is 00:52:34 Well, we're going to be praying for y'all and following this closely. If there's anything else that we can do, I mean, my audience is really, really good at rallying around people who are, we call it sharing the arrows. And that's exactly what you and your husband are doing rather than saying we see this thing going on. I don't want to get involved. I'm too scared to get involved because of the risk to my career or my life. he decided and you decided to stand up and say, you know what? No, I'll take whatever arrows you're willing to throw at me because this cause is worth it. And when that happens, the rest of us need to stand up and try to bolster you as much as possible. So I'll post that Giveson,

Starting point is 00:53:13 go link. And then also if people just want to support you all in words of encouragement, is there a place they can do that? I appreciate that, Ali Beth. And thank you so much for giving me the platform to discuss this case. It really means a lot to us. So, yeah, the way they say they can do that is, on our Gives and Go profile, you can send prayers in addition to money. We love both of them. So that is gips and go.com backslash Texas underscore whistleblower. There's a place to give money.

Starting point is 00:53:43 There's also a place to just give prayers. And, you know, any encouragement would be, you know, absolutely welcome. I mean, I can't tell you. We would have never made it this far if not for the support of the average people who just heard the story and wanted to help us. And we're getting close to trial and the legal bills are mounting every one of these motions. Every time the government files something like a gag order, it costs us tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. And we absolutely could not afford it if not for the support of average people.

Starting point is 00:54:15 And we really appreciate it. Well, thank you so much, Andrea. We will be rooting y'all on. Thank you so much, Alita. Thank you.

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