Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1139 | Wheaton Bows to the Mob, Kanye Hails Hitler & Rick Warren Turns Lukewarm

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Starting point is 00:01:28 We've got all of that and more on today's episode. episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day so far. Okay, a couple things before we get started. Remember the Share the Arrow's 2025 event tickets will go on sale February 28th and you want to set your alarms, put an event on your calendar, whatever you have to do to remember to wake up first thing in the morning to get your tickets because that early bird special, which is $40 off. We have different. tiers of tickets this year, as you will see, because it's a different seating arrangement that it was last year. But if you want that steep discount, go ahead and get your tickets right away

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Starting point is 00:04:30 So thank you to all of you who have contributed to making the book a success. All right. A couple quick updates. Tulsie Gabbard has been confirmed. This is exciting. This is something that I think a lot of people weren't sure was going to happen because she's been a lifelong Democrat. And a lot of Republicans had understandable questions about her positions on foreign policy. But she has been confirmed. And then right now, as we are recording, RFK Jr. is, he is awaiting his confirmation. They are

Starting point is 00:05:03 voting on him right now. That's correct. Brie. and do we know when we'll have that news sometime pretty soon probably the next couple hours? Yeah, but we just don't know. Yeah. I could go on for a minute. Okay. So that means Republican legislators are really feeling the heat from the Trump administration,

Starting point is 00:05:23 which they should. That's just how these things go to make sure that they confirm all of Trump's picks. Trump was given a mandate. He was voted for. The American people said, hey, we trust you to be able to take our country in a better direction. we trust you to be able to pick the right people to go in the right positions. And so Trump has made his picks. And so they are also the, these legislators are feeling the heat from the American people to make sure that they are confirming the people that Trump has put in place. And let's pray for their success. As we've talked about, we've got questions about what RFK thinks about abortion. He answered some of those questions in his hearing. Tulsi Gabbard too, but her position isn't really going to have anything to do with abortion policy. But let's pray for their success. Let's pray. that these people would come to know the Lord, as far as I know, RFK and Tulsi are not Christians, and I am heartened by how many solid Christians are in the Trump administration,

Starting point is 00:06:17 but we want even more because they can be correct politically, correct culturally, they can make good policy decisions, but we want them to have the wisdom that starts with the fear of the Lord. So let's certainly pray for that and pray for their success. One super Christian that I am so excited is a part of the Trump administration is Russ vote. So Russ has just been confirmed as the director of the Office of Management and Budget. And he was congratulated by his alma mater, Wheaton College, after he was confirmed for this position. But Wheaton College after they posted a public congratulations, they actually took it down because a lot of people were upset. How dare a college celebrate the confirmation of an alumnus that is working for the evil

Starting point is 00:07:15 Trump administration? Really, that happened. And then Wheaton basically posted an apology. So I'll get into the details of that. Let me back up a little bit and just tell you about who Russvote is. So he graduated from Wheaton. Then he went to George Washington Law School. he served as Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget during his first term. The Senate confirmed his nomination to the same position on February 6th, just a few days ago for Trump's second term. After an overnight session in which Senate Democrats stonewalled his nomination, they really did not want him to take the same position because now apparently he is uniquely dangerous because he was a part of Project 2025 in the Evil Heritage Foundation. He previously served as the Vice President of Heritage Action for America, the lobbying arm of the Heritage Foundation before joining the Trump administration. So he wrote chapter two in Project 2025, Executive Office of the President of the United States in the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025.

Starting point is 00:08:19 You know, it's funny we don't hear that much about Project 2025 anymore. I mean, that's all Democrats talked about for months. They said that this is going to be the demise of America, that Trump is going to come into your home and take your birth control and take off your shoes, put you in the kitchen and tell you to make him a sandwich. That's what we heard and that you were going to have to exchange your blazer for red robes. That's what we heard was going to happen because of Project 2025. And we never hear about Project 2025 anymore. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that interesting?

Starting point is 00:08:54 So in Russ Votes chapter, Executive Office of the President of the United States, in the section about the Office of Management and Budget, he writes, The Director must view his job as the best, most comprehensive approximation of the president's mind as it pertains to the policy agenda while always being ready with actual options to affect that agenda within existing legal authorities and resources. His role in Project 2025 drew harsh criticism from Senate Democrats. including Chuck Schumer, who called Vote Trump's most radical nominee with the most extreme agenda, really. Did what I just described to you?

Starting point is 00:09:36 Did that sound extreme that he just wants to carry out the agenda of the person who appointed him to the position? In a statement, Chuck Schumer said this. Votes confirmation would be a disaster for working families. Wait, was it a disaster for working families the first time? he served in it and a god sent to billionaires who don't pay their fair share in taxes and also that russ vote is project 2025 incarnate okay so he is the embodiment of project 2025 schumer said that by voting to confirm vote the senate is voting to implement project 2025 so it's actually going to be russ who comes to your house and takes your birth control and is i think he's the one who is

Starting point is 00:10:23 delivering the red robes to every eligible maiden in the land. And I think that he, I think that there's a website where you can enter your size to make sure that they show up to your house with the right size red robe. I think that's actually going to be under votes jurisdiction. So I just wanted to clear that up. He also said that Russ votes fingerprints were all over this past week's disaster, referring to the doge freeze of federal programs and their investigative. of the Treasury payment system. Oh, no. Russ vote is making sure that the government is spending

Starting point is 00:11:01 taxpayer dollars in a way that is efficient, effective, and transparent. Oh, no. What other disaster is he going to get himself into? Oh, no, I don't want to know where my taxpayer dollars are going. I definitely want them to continue to fund transgender musicals in Columbia. That's exactly what I pay taxes for. That's even, that's why I have a job. I have a job. I have this podcast so I can pay taxes for USAID to fund Serbian DEI workplace programs. That's the only reason any of us on this team get up in the morning, knowing that our federal government is sending our hard-earned tax dollars to very necessary abortion education seminars in Sri Lanka.

Starting point is 00:11:53 So if Russ vote gets in the way of that, I will be just very upset. What is even the point of any of this? Okay. So that could be why Wheaton College decided that maybe we shouldn't publicly congratulate him. I guess all of this, all of this controversy and Chuck Schumer's analysis is why Wheaton College, where missionary Jim Elliott went to school, what used to be, a preeminent Christian institution, why they backed down, deleted their post of congratulations amidst some pushback. Let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is

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Starting point is 00:14:41 some specifics? Again, like, are we talking about Colombian, like, transgender dancing troops? Like, is that what you're talking about when you're talking about, like, the funding of the federal government to organizations around the world? I mean, maybe they're talking about world relief. Maybe they're talking about other Christian organizations who are providing humanitarian aid. But as we talked about last week, even Christian organizations or professing Christian organizations like World Relief are actually supporting, distributing abortifacient birth control pills to poor countries and even supporting. it seems like abortion procedures in these poor countries. And so again, I think it's actually a very righteous position for those in charge of our budget, in charge of seeing where our tax dollars go, to say, you know what, we need to just at least do an audit. We need to take a look at this

Starting point is 00:15:36 and to make sure that we are advancing American interests. And we want a Christian in that position because, again, you want Christians to have that discernment, you balance compassion with effective logical, practical policy that serves the interest of the people that you are serving. According to Religion News Service, another commenter said there are Wheaton alumni out there who really do follow Jesus' teaching in the gospel. So I guess that Russ Vote doesn't because he was a part of Project 2025 and he's serving the Trump administration. So he doesn't really follow Jesus' teaching in the gospel.

Starting point is 00:16:15 but they aren't always the ones who are powerful. And so it's incredibly frustrating to see those who I think don't necessarily embody the gospel taking over in the Trump administration. Again, citation, what are you talking about? Give me some statistics. How does Russ vote in his position? How does he not embody the gospel? Like, how is he not also glorifying God?

Starting point is 00:16:37 Like, these people seem to be completely averse to Christians being in positions of influence and power. If you believe in God, you believe that God is love, you believe that his ways are better, don't you want people who believe those things also to be in charge of making our policy? It's so strange when I hear these accusations of like, oh, if you want Christians in power, then you're some scary Christian nationalist and you just want empire and you have confused like the lowly Jesus for this like, I don't know, powerful emperor, whatever. propaganda they say. Again, it just comes down to, like, who do you think has a better chance of making compassionate and good and wise policy? The person who believes in the God who created the world, the person who follows Jesus, the person who believes in a biblical ethic, or the person who is anti-God, the person who is anti-Bible. Do you think that person is going to have a

Starting point is 00:17:41 good understanding of the sanctity of life and the proper role of the government and family? Like, if you care about your neighbor, don't you want people in charge who believe in the God whose ways are better and higher than ours? Like, do you believe that the Bible is good or not? Do you believe that God's ways are better or not? Do you believe in absolute truth? Do you believe in objective morality? As a Christian, you should believe those things. And shouldn't you want people who have the most influence over our policy to also believe those things? So to me, it's not about power. It's about loving my neighbor. And because politics affects policy and policy affects people and people matter, I want the people involved in politics and in charge of policy to understand

Starting point is 00:18:23 that people matter, not just because they have some vague, vague spiritual sense of people having significance, but because they understand someone's worth comes from being made in the image of God. Once we have that shared foundation, I think we're in a much better position to make good quality or a good policy that affects people's lives for the better and raises their quality of life. So it's very strange when Christians to me are like, no, Christians should never be in a position of influence or power or seek that at all. It's very odd. It makes me think you don't really love your neighbor. By Saturday morning after they posted this, after Wheaton posted this, the post was deleted and a second post was made with the comments

Starting point is 00:19:08 disabled. On Friday, Wheaton College posted a congratulations and a call to prayer for an alumnus who received confirmation to a White House post. The recognition and prayer is something we would typically do for any graduate who reached that level of government. However, the political situation surrounding the appointment led to a significant concern expressed online. It was not our intention to embroil the college in a political discussion or dispute. Our institutional and theological commitments are clear that the college as a non-profit institution does not make political endorsements. Wheaton College's focus is on Christ and his kingdom. Okay, so they might say that this is not an apology, and they actually do say that as we'll get into, that this wasn't an

Starting point is 00:19:54 apology, they didn't say that they were sorry, that's true, but their original post was also not an endorsement. They said nothing about politics. They didn't say anything about Trump. They didn't say, hey, we really like your policies guy. Get after it. Loved Project 2025. They never said that. They said, this is what he's been appointed to. And we're praying for him. And congratulations. They would have done the same thing if this had been the Biden administration or the Kamala Harris administration. And they probably would have gotten pushback for it. I think if they would have congratulated someone who was in the Kamala Harris administration, that there would have been people saying, why would you congratulate this person? Which I actually think they have like more

Starting point is 00:20:34 of grounding to criticize Wheaton for that because Wheaton claims to be a Christian college and Kamala Harris' baby murdering and gender deception agenda is like very blatantly black and white, anti-biblical. However, I would understand if Wheaton also congratulated a person who got to that position of government. The fact that they deleted that post that simply said congratulations, that simply said, hey, please pray for this person. We're called to pray for our leaders. Let's pray for him that God would use him to bring glory to himself. I'm kind of adding on to that. They just said, pray for him. The fact that they deleted that when people got upset, that amounts to an apology. A Wheaton College spokesperson later added that deleting

Starting point is 00:21:21 the post was not an apology for their initial post, but it was for Mr. Votes' own protection. I think he's fine. Like, what do you mean? Own protection. What are these people going to do who are commenting on Facebook. A Wheaton College spokesperson told in Religion News Service that this was, quote, in no way an apology for having expressed congratulations or for suggesting

Starting point is 00:21:46 prayers for our alumnus. The social media posts led to more than 1,000 hostile comments, primarily incendiary on Christian comments about Mr. Vote in just a few hours. It was not our intention to embroil of the college or Mr. Vote in a political discussion or dispute. Thus,

Starting point is 00:22:02 we removed the post. okay, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Let's take them at their word. Maybe they really thought, oh, we don't want him to see this. We don't want his family to see this. These are really awful comments. And we just want, you know, we don't want that. We don't want that for him. We want to honor him or whatever. Still, just from a PR perspective, it looks really bad. It looks really dishonest. Like I wish, not that I am a publicist, but sometimes I just wish that I could give PR advice to all these different institutions. Like, if you really don't regret it, then repost it and disable the comments. Repost it. You need to double down on it. But you've rewarded all of

Starting point is 00:22:48 these people lashing out at the request to pray for an alumnus who is working in the Trump administration. I don't think Russ Vote was concerned about being quote unquote protected. He quote tweeted or quote posted a post about Wheaton College's explanation. If you don't want to call it an apology. And he just said in all caps with an exclamation mark, sad. Sad. And it is sad. Hillsdale College, that's the conservative Christian college.

Starting point is 00:23:20 We have read advertisements for them before. They're awesome. They had also congratulated Russ vote. They said congratulations to Russ vote, the once and current OMB director on a Senate confirmation. Then when all of this blew up on Acts about Wheaton College with a lot of Christians calling them out, Hillsdale said, trigger warning, we will not be deleting our earlier post congratulating Russ vote. And of course, they shouldn't. Now, a lot of this is really not surprising because we've seen a leftward drift in. in Wheaton for a long time, I do believe that this is coming from a place of cowardice.

Starting point is 00:24:00 I said on X that this is the, they are the perfect embodiment of what I call the mushy middle. And that might even be generous. They have chosen nuance and winsomeness over clarity and courage. And because of that, they have compromised. When you're in that position of of believing that the most virtuous kind of Christian that you can be is one that is well liked by the world and that is accepted by secular progressives, you are always going to be susceptible to cowardice and compromise. You are always going to give in to the loudest bullies. And that's exactly what they did. A horrible, horrible example from the college that educated one of the most courageous and influential missionaries that's ever lived, Jim Elliott.

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Starting point is 00:26:53 And they are a part of this group of people kind of like Russell Moore and David French, who pretend to be somewhere in the middle and pretend to be nuanced and pretend to transcend politics and transcend partisanship. But really, and you've probably heard this phrase before, they punch right and tickle left. They might sometimes slightly, softly criticized progressivism, but really they're going after Trumpism and MAGA and the so-called Christian nationalism on the right that they think is much more dangerous, they would say to Christianity and the country than the baby murder and the gender deception, the genital mutilation, and the socialistic economic policies of the left. Really,

Starting point is 00:27:45 they start with politics and they try to fit their theology into their politics, not the other way around, no matter how much they tell you that they are abiding by biblical principles and they're just allowing that to influence their politics. That's not true. It is 100% the other way around. And these institutions exist to make Christians feel bad for voting a Republican and feel that the moral, more compassionate thing to do is to vote Democrat. and they won't get into the differences in policy when it comes to things like abortion. They will just focus on how bad Trump is. And then they will go back to this lazy assertion that we've already refuted today.

Starting point is 00:28:28 And that is, well, Christians shouldn't even care about having power. Apparently, we're all supposed to have anti-Christian progressive secularists in power. That's apparently the Christian way. And so Wheaton hosted this event. It was hosted on Wheaton's campus last September, alongside the after party. We've talked about that with Megan Basham. You can go listen to our episode that we did on that a few months ago.

Starting point is 00:28:51 It's the political Bible study program created by Curtis Chang and Russell Moore and David French. They say that their goal is to reframe Christian political thinking, aka don't vote Republican anymore. It's really not more complicated than that. So this Curtis Chang person who hosted this, who hosted this, who hosted, this event at Wheaton College. He said that Trump's victory is a disaster, a disaster for the country. Here's that one. I mean, this election, I think, was a disaster for our country, but it did wonders for my to-do list. I was, I just plowed through it as a matter of what. Then around when I saw what was happening, I felt a surge of anger. And then I felt like a surge. I was like, what's behind that

Starting point is 00:29:36 anger? Like, I was just wanting to blame people for this outcome. And then I'm like, I'm actually feeling like anguish. I'm feeling sad. Yeah. So this was the election event that we in college chose to host. As far as I know, they didn't also choose to host, I don't know, like a turning point event or a conservative event. Because remember, the after party is not nonpartisan. If your church hosted the after party or used their curriculum, then I would say that you were probably at the wrong church because either your pastor is completely ignorant, like not able to discern. the true philosophy or worldview behind curriculum that he is giving his congregants, which would make him an irresponsible shepherd, or he is just openly progressive and is trying to shame his congregants out of being conservative. And I would definitely talk to a pastor like that. You can try to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I would ask him specifically what policies, what conservative policies and ideas do you disagree with? And how do you back that up? Bidlically? Like whenever I have

Starting point is 00:30:42 people that, you know, disagree with me or they just say, oh, Christian shouldn't talk about that stuff. I'm like, okay, can you tell me what specifically you disagree with me on as a Christian? And why? I think it's really illuminating to get into those conversations. Jim Elliott has a plaque at Wheaton College, as he should. Again, he went to Wheaton College. And you guys probably already know who Jim Elliott is, but he was the missionary who evangelized in the jungles of Ecuador and he was killed by the Aqua Indians that he was evangelizing to. And he wrote so much before his death. And obviously Elizabeth Elliott, his wife had a very long career of speaking and writing on biblical issues. You guys know how much I love and admire Elizabeth Elliott,

Starting point is 00:31:43 but Jim Elliott really just embodied the boldness and the courage that Christians are called to. And in 2021, Wheaton removed a plaque on their campus honoring alum Jim Elliott and replaced it with new wording because the old plaque that had been there for years had used the phrase Savage Indians. Okay. So that's the old sign. It said he was killed by savage Indians, which is true. So originally dedicated in 1957, the plaque was meant to honor the memory of Jim Elliott, Ed McNulli, and Nate St. as well as Roger Yowdarin and Pete Fleming, who were all speared to death by the Waurini tribesmen. Sorry, I think I said something different earlier. In 1956, the old plaque said they took. They took. chose the jungles of Ecuador inhabited by the Aca Indians for generations. All strangers were killed by these savage Indians. After many days of patient preparation and devout prayer, the missionaries made the first friendly contact known to history with the Aca's.

Starting point is 00:32:47 The college said this language, in a statement, the college said that this language is now seen as offensive by students, faculty, and staff. So someone went over to that. And they looked at that plaque and instead of thinking, wow, someone truly laid down their life to share the gospel with these people. that's incredible. I can't believe that I get to like share an alma mater with this person. They said, does that say Indians? I can't believe that says Indians. That's the point that they took from that. And they went and they went to an office and they said, take this down. This is offensive to me.

Starting point is 00:33:22 It's not offensive that they murdered Jim Elliott by spearing him to death. It's offensive that they were called savage Indians. So the statement by Wheaton said specifically the word savage is now recognized. And remember, this is like in the turmoil of 2020, 2020, that they're coutowing in this way. The word savage is now recognized as being inherently pejorative and having been often used historically to dehumanize and mistreat native peoples around the world. Well, they literally murdered him with a spear. I don't know. I mean, that's pretty savage. We didn't explain that the reworded plaque will honor the marty missionaries, while also respecting the war reigning people with whom they share the gospel of the love

Starting point is 00:34:05 of Christ, the phrase, savage Indians was replaced with indigenous peoples. The plaque will now read in part, known for their violence to encroaching outsiders, and for internal cycles of vengeance killing, they were among the most feared indigenous peoples in South America at the time. Look, I think if that had been the original wording, that would have been fine. My problem is, is cowtowing to the progressive bullies to change something that didn't really need to be changed. It didn't help anything. It didn't make things more clear. I think that it was fine, that the language that they had before, I think it was completely unnecessary to get caught up in the like cries of these activists who really like have no influence or grounding in the first place.

Starting point is 00:34:54 We can also see some other progressive values from Wheaton. If you look at LGBTQ issues in 2014, Wheaton hired a, quote, gay Christian blogger, Julie Rogers, to join the chaplain's office to support sexual minorities on campus. This is 2014, okay? This happened under the same president who is currently there, Philip Reichen. The administration knew Julie referred to herself as gay, but she would also be required to sign the Code of Contact, a Conduct, that says marriage is between a man and a woman and sex is reserved for marriage. the president supported Rogers initially, though he encouraged her to maintain a lower profile in both public and social media platforms, but she resigned a year later and began publicly advocating for so-called same-sex marriage. And we say so-called because only God defines marriage and he defines it as male and female unequivocally. So so-called same-sex marriage and the church.

Starting point is 00:35:46 So again, just like a general lack of discernment, and I would say like a desire to compromise we've seen from Wheaton Sexual and Gender Identity Institute at Wheaton College in 2019, Dr. Mark Yarrhouse. We've talked about him before, how he is really, I think, on the front lines of getting Christians to compromise when it comes to gender and use so-called pronoun politeness. He's a psychology professor who refers to himself as an evangelical Christian in LGBTQ plus studies. He moved to Sexual and Gender Identity Institute from Regent University to Wheaton. He promotes, quote, dialogue between people who view the topic of sexual identity differently. On preferred pronouns, according to Christianity today, he believes that using a person's preferred pronouns is kind, courteous, and necessary for building a relationship with that person.

Starting point is 00:36:36 On quote, gay Christians, as mentioned earlier, Dr. Your House is unclear or unwilling to criticize the use of the term gay Christians. And Rosaria Butterfield has come on the show to talk about this. And she says it really eloquently, and I probably won't even say it exactly how she said it. but like you're not going to win people to the cross of Christ by affirming the very sin that Christ died to save them from. And that is what is happening when you are using someone's preferred pronouns that don't correlate with their biological reality. The answer is really clear in Genesis 127 that God made us in his image as male and female. And because God made us in his image as

Starting point is 00:37:21 male and female. That is not only what we physically, biologically are from the moment of conception, that is also theological, teleologically, also what we are. And the Christian must affirm that. Go back and listen to my conversation with Laura Perry Small, where she talks about how her parents never gave in to her new identity as Jake, never called her he-him. And it was her parents and her parents-Christian friends that she found refuge in after she realized that she had made a big mistake in trying to transition who never affirmed her fake male identity, always affirmed who she was as a woman made in the image of God. And it was their truth telling that God used to bring her back. The most loving thing we can do is tell people the truth. That's the difference between

Starting point is 00:38:08 toxic empathy, which just cares about how someone feels and true love, which is defined in 1 Corinthians 136 that love never rejoices in wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. And so it doesn't surprise me that Wheaton is just weak. They're just weak. They're just mushy because they have invited in this kind of deception multiple times. They have invited in the compromisers. And so it shouldn't be that surprising that once they let the Trojan horse of winsomeness and nuance into their gates, that what came out was progressive secular nonsense and that has really hurt their witness. And so we got to see that on display. And that is true of many institutions. Like Christians shouldn't cowtow to bullies. Okay. Do something because it's right. If you're going to apologize for something, if you are going to

Starting point is 00:39:06 take back something that you said, if you are going to correct yourself, whatever it is, do it because it is the right thing to do. Do it because it's what God has called you to do. Do it because God has instructed you in that way in scripture. Don't do it because you're scared. Don't do it because people are asking you to and you feel bad and you just want to maintain a relationship. That is called cowardice. That is called fearing man over God. That is called making an idol of yourself because you care more about how you are thought of than you are glorifying God. Christians are free to be courageous. because we serve an audience of one. And Wheaton would do very well to remember that.

Starting point is 00:39:49 All right. We've got some time to talk about Kanye and what is going on with him. Let me pause and tell you about our next sponsor for the day first. And that is pre-born. Pre-born is an amazing, large network of clinics across the country. They offer all kinds of free resources to pregnant moms and need to help them choose life, like free sonograms. so that mom can see the baby on the screen, see the humanity of their child, even hear the beating heart. And they also offer the abortion reversal pill. I have seen Matt babies who are alive today

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Starting point is 00:41:00 I just want to talk about what is possibly going on behind the scenes here with Kanye West. We talked a little bit on our Grammys episode about the display at the Grammy. and how he showed up there. This was his first time going to the Grammys, and I believe six years. He showed up there with his now wife, whose name is Bianca. And she was buck naked,

Starting point is 00:41:21 completely and totally naked. She made a show of it. And of course, this is probably a publicity stunt. Apparently, he's got an album coming out. But people were obviously upset about this. This is exhibitionism. People also raise questions about, is she okay? Like, is she being forced to do this?

Starting point is 00:41:39 Is she being trafficked in some way? Is she being drugged? Are they both on drugs? This is very scary and very sad because there were pictures of little kids, like seeing this woman completely naked, which is just awful. It is just awful in every way. And I questioned whether there's something demonic going on there. We know that a few years ago he was leading Sunday services,

Starting point is 00:42:03 and even though I didn't love everything about that, because he was like partnering with people like Joel Osteen, the infamous prosperity gospel preacher, but he was also putting out amazing music, like the album Jesus is Lord, which to this day, I will stand by the fact that that is an amazing album that is largely theological solid. And everyone, myself included, was really excited about that at the time, some of the things that he was saying about like sexual morality and not wanting his wife to be scantily clad or really good. And I think when you have especially a prominent Christian, any Christian, certainly, because Satan just loves to steal joy and steal people's

Starting point is 00:42:44 effectiveness and attack people, but especially when you have a prominent Christian who has the potential to reach a lot of people with the gospel and with righteousness, you are going to have Satan go after him. And based on his latest rant on Acts, it does kind of seem like that's what's going on here. I do think he obviously has mental health issues, but this seems to be very spiritual as well. He went on this rant on X last Thursday in which he praised Adolf Hitler. And he said that anti-Semitism is just some BS that Jewish people made up. He said, I love Hitler. He said, I'm a Nazi. He said, some of my best friends are Jewish and I don't trust any of them. Okay. And then he went on to defend his wife's nakedness at the 2025 Grammys. He goes, I have

Starting point is 00:43:38 dominion over my wife. This ain't no woke as feminist, S-H-I-T. She's with a billionaire. Why would she listen to any of you dumb, broke people? People say the red carpet look was her decision. Yes, I don't make her do nothing she doesn't want to do. Okay, I'm a little confused. Dominion. What? It doesn't want she wanted. Okay. She definitely wouldn't have been able to do it with my approval, you stupid woke pawns. I have no respect or empathy for anyone living because no one living can aff with me. But I do love some people and I give them favor. I just feel so sorry for his children. And then he started posting hardcore porn. I did not see this, but I saw people talking about it. And then Elon took action. He labeled his account not safe for work, essentially

Starting point is 00:44:35 muting his account for a regular user. So very troubling. This is not the first time that he's posted anti-Jewish statements. He said he was going to go deathcon three on Jewish people in 22. And so he seems to have some beef with Jewish people. On Monday, West was dropped by his talent agency 33 and West. His agent posted on Instagram that effective immediately, they no longer work with him anymore. there is a former employee who is Jewish, who is now suing Kanye, who says that she was subjected to anti-Semitic vitriol, that he would text her things like Hail Hitler. That is just so freaking awful. It is just so awful.

Starting point is 00:45:22 When we think past just, well, that's like a salacious thing to say. I mean, when you think about what Hitler actually did, what the Holocaust actually was, and that so many of the Jewish people here today actually have ancestors that were tortured and murdered during the Holocaust for someone to be allegedly subjected to that kind of harassment is just beyond. I mean, just beyond evil. The lawsuit includes a series of texts that Kanye sent her, or she says, these are screenshots from him. And another Jewish employee, he says things like, welcome to the first day of working for Hitler and called her ugly as F. again texted her hail Hitler hours after she complained about the text messages to her manager connie's

Starting point is 00:46:09 attorney sent her an email terminating her employment so i'm just i'm very disturbed by what's going on with coney there will be people who will continue to say like oh there's some cryptic message there are always like people who claim that really conier is communicating something different than what he's actually saying and like maybe that's true to some degree. I don't think that there's any excuse for saying something like this. Like this in combination with posting the pornography and what went on at the Grammys, there's something very dark and very demonic going on here. And we should pray not only for him, but pray for his wife. Pray for his children. Pray for everyone involved. Because obviously the Kardashian clan, they've got their own issues too. And it's just sad. I feel like

Starting point is 00:46:59 these kids can't, like, you know, they don't stand a chance in some ways. But to have this kind of instability to look at, to not even have like a present father that you can rely on and trust, but then is also going out and posting pornography and hoisting up his naked wife in public, I mean, that's got to be extremely traumatizing. And so I think we've just got to remember that Satan is a prowling lion, he is always roaming around looking for someone to devour. And right now, it looks like he is devouring and has completely eclipsed Kanye's influence and is using it for the worst. But remember, God is a God of redemption. And if you are breathing, there is hope for redemption. There is hope for salvation. There is hope for God to soften his heart and to change

Starting point is 00:48:00 his mind and to win him back just like there is for anyone. And so I pray for that. One of the things that I was worried about at the time, whenever someone who is prominent becomes a Christian, I always just have the urge to tell them, like, just step back. And I even think I said that at the time when I did an episode on his apparent conversion a few years ago, like, just kind of go away for a while and read the Bible and learn how to live. And maybe that's not the calling for every person who converts to Christianity publicly, but it seems like it would be a good rule of thumb. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. It is harder for a rich man to pass through the eye, or to get to heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

Starting point is 00:48:48 But of course, we know God follows that up. Jesus follows that up with God. All things are so God can save anyone, but the power and the prominence and the money and everything and the fame, everything that comes with it, it can be extremely corrupting. But the grace of God can transcend all of that. And I just pray that it does. All right, I've got one more thing. I just had to respond to this Rick Warren post, which might be like the worst theological interpretation that I've ever seen in my life. And that's really saying something because you know the craziness that we talk about. Let me tell you about our last sponsor and then I'll end on that. My last ad for the day is about a new documentary series on blazTV.com by BlazeTV host Matt Kibby.

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Starting point is 00:50:32 off your subscription. You'll also have access to all kinds of Blaze TV content, including mine. Use code smoking gun for $30 off your subscription. Faucicoverup.com slash alley code smoking gun. Okay, Rick Warren. Okay, you remember purpose-driven life? Like, this is the guy that disciple generations. Most of our parents read purpose-driven life. Maybe you were a high school and your parents are like, you got to read purpose-driven life. And I'm sure that there were really, you know, good things. There were probably some truths in it. I don't think I ever read it. But it was also widely criticized for being like prosperity-driven. It was like a graduation gift for a lot of graduates, I remember. So Saddleback.

Starting point is 00:51:19 Church, this is the church that hosted Obama in 2008 when Obama famously said that he supports marriage only between one man and one woman, how far we have changed. But Rick Warren has also been an advocate in the past few years of women being pastors and not caused Saddleback to have a split from the SBC, the Southern Baptist Convention, which holds to the biblical view that only men can be pastors. And so Rick Warren has been sliding towards progressivism. I would say for a while, but he has a part of this crowd that is like, oh, winsomeness, nuance, transcending politics. And here is his defense of that position, okay? Are you ready? Are you ready for this ex of Jesus? Okay. Here's the post. It is a picture of our Lord on the cross,

Starting point is 00:52:12 and then he's got the two thieves on the cross next to him, okay? And here is what brother Rick Warren decided to say, John 1918, they crucified Jesus with two others, one on each side and Jesus in the middle. The guys on both sides were thieves. If you're looking for the hashtag real Jesus, not a caricature disfigured by partisan motivations, you'll find him in the middle, not on either side. Now, brothers and sisters in Christ, it took me a good second to understand what Brother Warren is saying here. Okay? It took me a second to really, really imbibe and understand what he could possibly be arguing here. Because certainly a pastor who has been a pastor for so many years is not saying because Jesus was physically in the center of Galgotha, that he had two

Starting point is 00:53:13 people being crucified to his side, that he is also the center of Republican and Democrats. Like, no, he's not saying that. He's not saying that he's politically moderate because the cross was in the middle of the three crosses when he was crucified. Right? But it does seem like that is what he is saying. It seems like he is saying that Jesus is not partisan. And look at the fact that he was in the center cross to prove that. Here's what I said on X.

Starting point is 00:53:46 Jesus is not in the middle on the murder of children. on gender deception, the definition of marriage. And he's really not in the middle on anything else. We might have disagreements on where the Bible lands on certain aspects of certain issues. But he is not in the middle of our most contentious cultural conversations of our day. In fact, I seem to remember him having a particular disdain for lukewarm people. People who are neither hot nor cold. Genesis 1.27, Matthew 19, 4 through 6.

Starting point is 00:54:28 It's very clear on what God thinks about the sanctity of life, the value of image bears, the definition of marriage, the definition of gender. It's not confusing. It's only confusing if you want it to be for your political purposes. Ironically, this kind of statement is far more partisan and political than those who simply say, you know, Jesus being God and the word being God's word is like really clear on these so-called political issues of the day that are really just biblical theological issues. This is bad. Do not proof text in this way. Allow the Bible to speak for itself that might cause some disagreements

Starting point is 00:55:09 and Christians can in good faith disagree on some things, but on the big ones, like on the big topics of our day that are in the center of our political discussions, marriage and gender and identity and sexuality and abortion. The Bible is so extremely clear on that. Thank God for it. And so let's pray for Rick Warren that he would have the clarity that comes from God's word and the discernment that comes from the Holy Spirit. All right, that's all we got time for today. We'll be back here tomorrow with Chief Related Bro.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1139 | Wheaton Bows to the Mob, Kanye Hails Hitler & Rick Warren Turns Lukewarm

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