Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1151 | What REALLY Went Down Between Zelenskyy v. Trump & Democrats’ Embarrassing Show | Guest: Josh Hammer

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Today we're joined by Newsweek senior editor at large Josh Hammer to discuss Trump's first address to a joint session of Congress in five years. We break down the embarrassing performance by Democratic lawmakers, including Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who got kicked out of the room. Then, what's really going on with U.S.-Ukraine relations? We cover the tense White House meeting with Ukraine President Zelenskyy and what was really going on behind the scenes. We also cover what Americans should think about sending aid to Ukraine. Share the Arrows 2025 is on October 11 in Dallas, Texas! Go to sharethearrows.com for tickets now! Buy Allie's new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": https://a.co/d/4COtBxy --- Timecodes: (01:02) Trump Address to Congress breakdown (33:50) What's going on with Ukraine? --- Today's Sponsors: Seven Weeks - Experience the best coffee while supporting the pro-life movement with Seven Weeks Coffee; use code ALLIE at https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com to save up to 25% and help save lives. Good Ranchers — Go to GoodRanchers.com and subscribe to any of their boxes (but preferably the Allie Beth Stuckey Box) and get free bacon, ground beef, seed oil free chicken nuggets, or salmon in every order for a year. Plus, you’ll get $40 off when you use my code ALLIE at checkout. Carly Jean Los Angeles — Go to https://www.carlyjeanlosangeles.com and use code ALLIEB to get 20% off your first CJLA order, site wide (one-time use only) and start filling your closet with timeless staple pieces. Jase Medical — Go to Jase.com and enter code “ALLIE” at checkout for a discount on your order. --- Related Episodes: Ep 588 | What the Media Won't Tell You About Ukraine & Zelenskyy | Guest: Pedro Gonzalez https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-588-what-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-ukraine/id1359249098?i=1000555144139 Ep 573 | Fact vs. Fiction on Ukraine & Russia | Guest: Josh Hammer https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-573-fact-vs-fiction-on-ukraine-russia-guest-josh-hammer/id1359249098?i=1000552491042 ---   Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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all down on today's episode of Relatable. Josh, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Okay, Trump's speech last night, I just want to hear your initial thoughts. I thought he did great. I mean, look, it was long. I mean, it definitely was rambling at times, but that's kind of just who Trump is, right? I mean, I think back to his R&C acceptance speech in Milwaukee this past summer, which I think was the longest acceptance speech in the modern history of either political parties national prevention. But Trump thrives, Ali, in this element. I mean, he's a showman. I mean, he's a guy who's literal claim to fame is the apprentice on fire. He's been a New York tabloid figure for the better part of a half century now. He loves the spectacle.

He loves the show. He loves the glitz, the glamour, the lights, the this. And I thought he did great there. I mean, his agenda right now, when it comes to the core issues, is, very popular. And he did a good job of emphasizing the issues that I think poll in his favor right now, issues like the economy, like immigration right now there. Look, the tariff conversation is starting to take over a little bit more. So we'll see exactly where that goes in the weeks of head. But for now, when it comes to everything that Elon Musk and Doge are doing when it comes to the world stage and Ukraine, I think he's very much in lockstep with the sentiments of the American people. Democrats, by the way, I think did themselves absolutely no favors whatsoever last night,

which I think you and I probably both knew was going to be the case going in. But it's one thing to know it going in. It's another thing than to kind of see it. Actually, it's an action there. They were wailing and they were flailing. They had nothing. They continued to be, I think, in just about the worst shape that I have ever seen that political party. But as someone who wishes them, frankly, nothing but the worst, I'm pretty happy about that honest.

Yeah. Let's look at some of the low lights there. So the first was the removal of Democrat Representative Al Green. He is from Texas. And he's made headlines for, I don't know. know if this kind of behavior would be an accurate description for why he's made the news, but he makes the news for the things that he says, how out there he is. So he's this old man shaking his cane at the sky because of what Donald Trump is saying. Here's that one.

Members are directed to uphold and maintain decorum in the house and to cease any further disruptions. That's your warning. Members are engaging in willful and continuing breach of decorum, and the chair is prepared to direct the sergeant-at-arms to restore order to the joint session. Mr. Green, take your seat. Take your seat, sir. Take your seat. Finding that members continue to engage in willful and concerted disruption of proper decorum, the chair now directs the sergeant-at-arms to restore order. Remove this gentleman from the chamber. Now, this is probably an effective fundraising tactic. He probably raised some money by the end of the night there

from his donors. However, it's not a good look for the Democrat Party in general. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think you nailed that. I mean, it's pure theater. He's doing it to raise coffers from the people that are addicted to MSNBC and are addicted to people like Rachel Maddow and just can't get enough of the left-wing TBS Trump Drainment syndrome stuff. But they look stupid. I mean, we should not mince words. I mean, they look like a bunch of juvenile low- IQ brats. I mean, this is, you know, if you want to respond intelligently to what's being said, you know, wait for the response there. You may, maybe you come out with a house floor speech next day or kind of you write an op-ed or something like that there. That's not the way to do it.

I couldn't even hear what he was saying there. But, I mean, you know, it kind of reminds me. There's no mandate. There's no mandate. Okay. So, but I mean, like, this whole thing of like the guy with the cane there. I mean, it reminds me of like that old Simpsons episode from many years ago where it's like old man staring at clouds, like that whole thing there. I mean, like, they just look patently silly.

And again, for a party that is currently polling literally the worst for a gal of Quinnipiav polling, the Democratic Party's approval rating all across the country now is roughly 33%. These tactics are surely not going to help them get on the better side of that number. Yeah, some other demonstrations that we saw from them last night, they were holding up these little signs. I don't know if we have any full screens of the signs that they were holding up. If not, we can put them up. But these little signs that said like Elon steals or he's lying or protect Medicaid, you never hold up a sign because that's always going to be a meme template. And that's exactly what happened. People took that immediately, made fun of them, wrote different things on the sign as they should because they're asking for it.

They look like in the kindest terms possible, huge dorks. And we've talked about this shift on the show before that it is, I would say, cooler, maybe not than ever, but maybe since the 19. 80s to identify as a conservative and a Republican and you're just kind of embarrassed to be a Democrat or progressive right now, which is great. But they just added fuel to the fire last night. It was horrible branding. Yeah, look, your point's very well taken on kind of the cultural dynamics. This is something that I've been talking a lot about over the past four or five, six months as well. I mean, after 2008, Barack Obama really brought in a massive sea change in American culture for better for us. I would obviously argue for worse. But he was a cultural

totem. I mean, he became kind of a cultural figure. I think that at 2008, the hope, the hope and changed up, the colors there. You know, you fast forward now into the year 2025, and it's like it's totally switched. I mean, the young people, based on the polling there, I'm not saying that they're coming out in

50-10 in favor of MAGA and favor of Republicans there, but the young, you know, Gen Z, 18 to 29 demographic gallery, the most recent exit polling, basically a toss-up demographic there. I mean, Donald Trump, MAGA, has become kind of cool in a countercultural center. You see football players doing the Trump dance in the end zone. People are doing it on TV now.

It's kind of become kind of the modern manifestation of the old 2008 Barack Obama hope and change. I didn't necessarily have that in my bingo card, to be honest with you, but kudos to Donald Trump, kudos to his campaign and all of the above for actually effectuating this cultural shift there. And again, if Democrats think that these sorts of things, these petty, low ball gutter kind of antics are possibly going to do anything to bring them back into the favor, to curry them any kind of favor whatsoever with young people or frankly with older people, even from that matter too there. This is the party, frankly, in the midst alley of a crippling identity crisis. From my vantage point, what the Democrats have to do is they basically have to make a decision

one way or the other. Are we actually going to keep the post-2008 post-Brock Obama woke identity politics coalition, this coalition of aggrieved interests, as I've called it for this identitarian kind of I look at the whole American people and slice it and dice it up there. What kind of niche issue can I do to appeal to this voter, this voter, this voter there? You have to decide Democrats whether you want to stick with that or abandon it. Because the American people spoke with a very loud and clarion voice in the 2024 election this past November. They don't want any of that.

They're not interested in this identity politics appeasing the transgender lobby, appeasing the illegal alien lobby, this lobby, that lobby there. They just want common sense policies that are in the American national interest. So Donald Trump continues, I think, to kind of score lots of points of American people and the Democrats continue to find themselves on the long sides of this debilitating identity crisis. And Trump last night, he called it a common sense revolution. And you're absolutely right that that is what Democrats are actually opposing is common sense. Quick pause to tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is seven weeks coffee.

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in the head by a male pretending to be a girl on the opposite team by a volleyball, suffered brain damage. She was there last night. I thought this was a very sweet moment that she was honored there. And no Democrat stood up. No Democrat stood up because all of the Democrats in the Senate had just blocked that bill that would have protected girls and women in sports. And so you're right.

They have a choice. They could simply not be insane. They could simply say, you know what? we're going back to being the party of the working class. We're going back to being the party of caring about wages and about industry and about the practical needs and desires that people actually have, but they can't. They want to be that. They want to focus on tariffs because they think that that's probably a winning issue,

but they can't let go of the trans stuff. They can't let go of the insanity. And again, like you, I only wish the Democrat Party the worst. So I'm not complaining. It's just a strange choice. Yeah, I mean, it's a choice that definitely goes against self-interest. I mean, I think what I see when I look at the current state of their party, Ali, you have this massive, massive chasm between the Democratic elites and the mainstream

American people, obviously. That is the chasm that Donald Trump and this coalition of the common sense, that this coalition massively exploited in the election this November. But I think even looking just on the Democratic side, the ledger, just focusing within an intra-democratic party dynamics, you actually have a pretty large chasm there as well between Democratic elites and many, perhaps even most rank-and-file Democratic voters. I'm not actually sure that the median Democratic voter at this point would support things such as a biologically male volleyball player who's just pounding a volleyball into the face. I mean, maybe, maybe not. It's probably

close to a jumpball, probably close to a 50-50 proposition, which itself is terrible, by the way. But the point, But the point is that the Democratic elites, New York Times, MSNBC, all these types there, they're all lined up ducks in a row for all of that stuff. And they will never, never, never let it go. So when you have kind of the ruling class within the Democratic Party, the professoria, the academics, the New York Times journalists, people like that there, you know, good luck institutional DNC establishment, possibly trying to kind of move the rudder of the ship towards a place of relative sanity, not absolutely but relative sanity, when you have the elites in the opinion makers who just refused to countenance the possibility that there was anything

remotely wrong whatsoever. I think, I think back to this clip that was on the view. I think it was like a day or two after the election. It was on, it was on Thursday there. And one of the ladies on the view, it might have been Joy Behar, I can't remember who was, was just having an absolute meltdown over the fact that Kamala Harris had lost two days prior. And she basically said there, you know, is there any reason whatsoever that Kamala Harris lost, other than the fact that this is a racist and misogynist country? And that actually got even Alyssa Fara on the view to to basically say, you know, what are you talking about there? There's actually more.

And, you know, when you've actually alienated Alyssa Far, then you know you've really gone too far there. But that's the kind of sentiment that the Democratic elites, I think, it's pervasive, perhaps even outright ubiquitous, is that Kamala actually only lost because the American people are a bunch of troglodyte Bible-thumping bigots who hate black people, Indian people, whatever Kamala Harris wants to call herself. They hate women.

They hate this category. They hate this category. And unless until they're able to move past that, they're not going to be relevant again. They're just not. There were a few more moments that were really supposed to be nonpartisan last night. One of them was honoring this young woman, 15-year-old Elliston Barry. She was the victim of an AI deep fake that depicted her in some kind of like pornographic AI-generated video, terrible. Melania Trump is really championing what's called the Take It Down Act, which makes it illegal to make this kind of content, which I think is absolutely good.

It's also so interesting that an almost 80-year-old president really seems to be on the cutting edge of a lot of the technological issues that we're facing today, even when it comes to trying to get the law to catch up to those things. But again, Democrats, no applause for Elliston Berry or no even attempt to honor her or honor what was going on there. And then, of course, when we looked at illegal immigration, this is where Republicans are very popular, especially the president. They honored, for example, Lakin Riley, who was murdered in Athens, Athens, Georgia, Jocelyn Nungeray, also no applause from the Democrats. And I don't think Trump really cared about their approval. I thought it was sad to see that even just from a PR branding perspective, they couldn't manage to, you know, muster any kind of courage or enthusiasm or just respect for these victims.

but he, uh, Democrat or Trump just ended up, um, kind of eviscerating them with what I thought was a very sassy quip. Here's a three. The media and our friends in the Democrat party kept saying we needed new legislation. We must have legislation to secure the border. But it turned out that all we really needed was a new president. I mean, just his expression after of the sassy and the leaning. over and the looking around, as many have said he could have been a comedian. His timing, his expressions are perfect. But I mean, this is a sad and very serious truth that the deaths of

these young women, Jocelyn and Lakin, were deliberate policy choices by the Biden administration. They were not inevitable. They didn't just happen. They were deliberate policy choices. And now that's changed. Yeah. What about that poor woman who was literally burnt to death in the subway car in New York City? I mean, exact same situation there. I mean, a legal alien who was previously deported there who came back into the country there. You know, on the illegal immigration issue, Ali, for many years now, for basically as long as I've been in this business, the left just loves making the talking point about compassion. They love trying to turn the tables in you and say, oh my God, you know, this person just stumbled here, not of his or her own volition there.

You know, maybe there was a so-called dreamer. They were born to the parents of illegal aliens here and so forth there. Where is your compassion there? You know, don't you love your neighbor as yourself, you know, as it says in the good book there. And I guess I turn around there and I say, where is your compassion for the victims of the crime? Where is your compassion for people like Lake and Riley, like her family there, like this poor woman in New York City,

tragically burned to death by an illegal alien for literally no reason whatsoever other than pure sadism? I mean, I cannot identify any other reason other than just this pure sadistic tendency from this illegal alien there there. But this happens all across the country, tragically, on a daily basis.

or at least it was happening a daily basis until more or less, January 20th, about a month a half ago or so there. This is an issue, as you pointed out, that the American people overwhelmingly agree with the Republican Party on overwhelmingly agree with Donald Trump on. But it's also interesting, Allie, insofar as the following is the serum there, to me, the illegal immigration issue to me, which is an issue I've tracked for a long time, because I feel very strongly about it personally, it's an issue where you've actually seen a massive shift in the polling.

So, for instance, around the time that I was in law school, maybe a little over a decade, or so, 2013, 2014 or so, I remember looking at polling that suggested that only 30 to 35 percent more or less, give or take, of the Americans at that time actually supported something that we today would call mass deportation, basically this policy aim of deporting all the illegal aliens here. You look at that polling today in the era of Donald Trump and the era of MAGA, America, and so forth, that polling has almost doubled. It's currently in the low 60s, the percent of Americans to support the Tom Homan mass deportation operation.

And my take on that, Ellie, is that this is a great example of kind of the two-way street of politics and cultures. So I think back to the famous Andrew Breitbart line where he famously said many years ago, the politics is downstream of culture. And my response to that has always been that Andrew Breitbart, who was a legend, of course, he actually only had it half right here. That culture is also downstream politics the other way around. We're now living in basically a decade since Donald Trump came down that gilded escalator at Trump Tower in 2015. I think to conclude that that Donald Trump's rhetoric, his aggressive, I would say righteous stance on this issue, his policy initiatives, the people that he surrounds himself with, the way that he has generally shaped his party, the GOP at large on this issue there. To say that that politics and all of that more generally has not had an effect on the culture when it comes to this issue, I think would just be a mistaken conclusion as well there. So that's another takeaway that I have on this there. But whether it's politics culture or some combination thereof, yet again, Democrats find themselves wholly on the wrong side of another issue. It's another issue where they are woefully out of touch.

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person that's the victim and they want to ignore the people on the other side of the moral equation. And I think at least when it comes to immigration and gender and hopefully abortion too, but at least on an immigration and gender, you've got enough people on both sides of the aisle voters anyway that see the other side of that moral equation because Democrats basically what they are demonstrating right now, at least this is what's implied by their behavior last night, that your stance is that we should not deport illegal immigrants who have committed murder. We should not deport illegal rapists. Like that's the position of the Democrat Party. You would think that they would at least be able to say, okay, maybe I disagree with Trump on

some immigration policy. But on this, we can all get behind this. We can all get behind that Lake and Riley should still be alive. We should all get behind trying to protect our daughters. They could not even do that. They can't not be insane. They can't. So really, I don't think it matters what Trump does with tariffs. I mean, of course, people really care about their pocketbook and all of that. And if Democrats were smart, they would leverage that as a tool. They absolutely could. I just don't think to your point earlier that they can let go of the insane stuff. They can. I mean, because these structural incentives, again, are not necessarily pointing them towards doing so when you have this chasm that I, that I described between their elites who to this

day are still kind of the Obama-esque elites, the people that are in thrall to the broader woke DEI agenda, this identitarian, let's divvy up the masses. and kind of give all these various aggrieved interest groups what they want. We'll give the illegal aliens, their amnesty, will give the transgender lobby, their chemical castration, general medallation. We'll give the Hamas lobby, whatever these little kopeia-clad jihadis want there. But, I mean, that's the sentiment of the democratic elite. But, again, I actually do not think it's necessarily the sentiment of the Democratic rank and file,

who disproportionately still are oftentimes comprised of these kind of blue-collar working-class voters. I mean, Donald Trump has done yeoman's work in color. into that demographic for sure now for multiple elections in a row. But I just continue to think that unless until the Democratic Party institution finds some way to try to pull their elites. And you see some people who are Democrat aligned trying to communicate the message, right? Jimmy Carville has at various times told his party in no uncertain terms. You know, the woe crap is over. Jimmy Carville is not a great example because he also has a debilitating case of Trump derangement syndrome. But you, you, You see some people that are trying to speak out there, but they're just totally drowned out by the masses there.

And again, you know, I wish them nothing but the worst, frankly. I hope that they never win another election in my lifetime. So I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this there. But, you know, you would think at some point that the will to survive as a political party in America's two-party system would take over. And we simply have not seen that yet. Maybe at some point it will. But it's probably going to take a while, honestly. Yeah.

Here are two more, two more moments that I thought were really sweet, good on Trump's Democrats obviously didn't clap for them and then we'll move on to some other things. But this was probably the sweetest moment of the night. And this was to honor 13-year-old DJ Daniel. He was diagnosed with brain cancer, given five months to live six years ago. Praise God he's still here. His dream was to be in law enforcement during his speech. President Trump made him an honorary member of the Secret Service.

Here's up for. DJ has been sworn in as an honorary law. enforcement officer, actually a number of times. The police love him. The police departments love him. And tonight, DJ, we're going to do you the biggest honor of them all. I am asking our new Secret Service Director, Sean Curran, to officially make you an agent of the United States Secret Service. I mean, that's just a really precious moment. I think why he was invited there, his brain cancer was caused by some kind of environmental toxin that I guess the Trump administration is going to try to go after. I think that's maybe the connection. Regardless, it was a really sweet

moment that I think everyone should be willing to rally behind and say, yes, let's support this person because he's human, because he's a child. Apparently people had a hard time doing that. Yeah. And again, what does it say about the party that thinks of itself as the party of humanity, the party of compassion, the party of moral decency, the party of uprightness, right? I mean, was it saying that they can't, you know, be bothered to get to get off their, off their rear end and applaud a 13-year-old who is surviving, praise God, indeed, an assessment of terminal brain cancer and given this word there. But, you know, it also kind of just speaks to Trump's his total mastery of moments like this, right? I mean, we've seen any number of these moments.

in his previous state of the union addresses. I know this was technically not a state of the union address, but basically the same thing. I think back to Rush Limbaugh. I think that was in the final year of Donald Trump's presidency in 2020 there. And, you know, Rush, we all knew had deeply ailing health there. But, you know, watching that expression on Rush's face and just how deeply touched he was by getting the Medal of Honor there, right there in that setting there,

that was one those moments that will last with me a very, very long time. The Democrats definitely did not get off their rear ends to applaud Rush Limbaugh then. But surely you would think that maybe a little bit more would have gone off to applaud this 13-year-old boy there who was having his dream realized before an international television audience. But again, partisan politics, Alley, really just continues to be the name in the game and continues to drive the agenda for the Democrats at this point. Unfortunately, for them, they just continue to drive themselves further and further off a cliff into this abyss of just total and complete irrelevance. Yeah. Okay. Here is my favorite line from the night, stop five. And now I want Congress to pass a bill permanently banning and criminalizing sex changes on children and forever ending the lie that any child is trapped in the wrong body.

This is a big lie. And our message to every child in America is that you are perfect exactly the way God made you. If you cannot clap for that line that to every child you are perfect exactly exactly. the way God made you. I assume that you believe that you are not, that you should tell a child you are not perfect the way God made you. Something is wrong with you. We believe this really weird paranormal idea that you can be born in the wrong body, that the real you is trapped inside the wrong body. Like how freaky would that be to tell a child to place that burden of confusion and chaos on a young child's mind without even their ability to understand what you're saying?

Trump is saying something very clear. Democrats' lack of applause means, again, they are four illegal aliens staying here after they have raped and murdered women. And they are four mutilating the bodies of children who have been told that they're trapped in their own body. Those are the stances of the current Democrat Party, I'm assuming. You know, Allie, what I was thinking about when I was watching this last evening, actually, was I, my mind kind of went in a slightly different, but nonetheless, very related direction, which was I thought about the following. Before the rise of the transgender lobby and the transgender interest group on the left, you had the homosexual lobby and the homosexual interest group there. And last I checked, if I think back to the whole same-sex marriage debate

and the general kind of decades-long fights over homosexuality, you know, the less big argument on that particular issue was that you were born this way. I mean, that you were just born this way, that had nothing to do necessarily with nurture or your environment, the way you were raised there. you know, Lady Gaga had that song formed this way, which is literally about this. So, I mean, how do you square that circle? I mean, I literally don't understand there. If you're objecting to what Trump is saying on transgender, you know, gender affirmation, euphemistic grounds, if you're doing that, you know, what do you say to the Lady Gaga born this way, crowd? I mean, I mean, I genuinely do not

understand how you can square this circle. There is kind of this irreconcilable tension, I think, that exists between these warring transgender and homosexual, identitarian groups on the left there. I mean, honestly, that's kind of a whole problem with wokeism and this whole identity politics coalition, right? I mean, I think back to Linda Sarsar and that you don't really hear about very often anymore, you know, she was leading the women's march back in the early days the Trump administration.

On the other hand, you know, Linda Sarsar is also a Sharia supremacist. I mean, who had various tweets over the years lauding how Sharia law is so favorable for people who are delinquent on their credit card. debt. I mean, you know, maybe we should look at what Sharia law says about, oh, I don't know, women, about how women should be treated in a society there, right? So, I mean, like, none of this makes any sense. Yeah. Their entire, their entire wokeism D, I think, is totally predicated on all sorts of intellectually irreconcilable and morally irreconcilable internal tensions there. And it's ultimately a reminder. And this is kind of the point that Donald Trump was powerfully

making there. It's a reminder. And Ali, I actually argue this pretty forthrightly in my book that comes down in two weeks, Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of the West, be able to pre-order. So the book is real quick. It's really not just about the state of Israel. It's really more broadly about the Judeo-Christian West and the biblical inheritance there and so forth there. And one of the things that I argue repeatedly in the book is that Genesis 127 in Hebrew, we would say, but Selimilimilin, Catholic that's Imago Day, this notion that God made man in his image, male and female and creative. I argue in the book that that is the, that Ali, that is the single overarching ethical imperative for all of Western civilization, that that really is kind of the

singular ideal that it kind of all comes back through there. And ultimately, you kind of believe in that, Allie, or you don't. But when you don't believe in that, it starts to get really, really, really, really dark very, very quickly there. And that's kind of where the modern Democratic Party has found itself. Totally. I totally agree. Gosh, we recite Genesis 1-27, probably more than any other verse on this show. Okay, one last thing about this before we get into Ukraine, because I had a lot of, you know, Democrats in my DM. I actually had a woman this morning who told me, and I actually thought this was a little endearing. She said, look, I know I have a huge case of TDS. So she acknowledged. She said, I've got a huge case of Trump derangement syndrome.

But Trump started all of this partisanship. It is Republicans who are the ones who are divisive. They're the ones who are disrespectful. Democrats are just responding to that. So I went back to Biden's 2022 state of the union because I thought that. I could remember them clapping when it was appropriate for them to clap. And so just to show you that really there is a difference when it comes to just this kind of behavior and strategy for Republicans and Democrats. Here's SOTE. We should all agree. The answer is not to defund the police. It's to fund the police. Fund them. Fund them. That's what you do. When the president says something that is undeniable that everyone agrees with, that Republicans agree with, the only

time that Democrats that I saw applauded last night is when he mentioned a foreign country. And that is donating, or, you know, donating, giving whatever billions of dollars to Ukraine. At no other time did Democrats applaud for things that were completely nonpartisan. That's the only thing it seems like Democrats can get behind. So as we shift into the Ukraine conversation, tell me what is their thinking? What is Democrat strategy there when they are thinking? Apparently, this is the only thing we can get on board with. This is the only thing that excites us. Some Democrats immediately whipped out their Ukraine flag waving it at that moment. Not the American flag, the Ukraine flag. What the heck is going on there? So I have a lot of thoughts on this. I thought about this a lot over the past few years because

it's been literally three years now since Putin invaded Ukraine. And we've had a lot of time to think about this. So first of all, Ali, I mean, you know, I'm 36 years old. I think we're roughly the same age. Maybe I have a couple years on you. But, you know, growing up, I mean, the Democrats were still kind of on the tail end of being an anti-war party. I mean, going back to 1960s, they were the party of the Vietnam War protests there and whatnot there. You know, it got a little complicated in the 90s. I mean, Bill Clinton had some wars over in southeastern Europe, Bosnia, Serbia, around there, but they were still more or less the war skeptical party. So the question then arises, why have Democrats found the one war that I have ever lived through my lifetime that they are not merely gung-ho about,

but they are zealous about. They are extraordinarily zealous about waving and flying the blue and yellow flag of Ukraine there about this notion that the United States and Europe and the West has to pour every single final penny of taxpayer dollars into this one war. And the conclusion that I have reached that I've been saying for the past couple of years is that I think that this is actually psychologically downstream of a crossfire hurricane. And what I mean by that is the Russia collusion delusion, Russia gate and that whole hoax back from 2016. This whole fusion GPS, Hillary Clinton laundered dossier, basically implying that

Michael Cullen went to Prague and Donald Trump is a Putin agent there. I mean, Democrats for years and years, really for the entire view of his first presidency, and some of them still peddle this, they actually think that he is a Manchuring candidate, that he is a genuine pawn of the Kremlin, which I think is very curious, right? Because it's interesting to know that Vladimir Putin has a tendency to invade Ukraine when Democrats are presidents. He invaded, Crimea in eastern Ukraine in 2014 back when Barack Obama was president. He did the same thing in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine in 2022. Donald Trump, last we forget, actually, in 2017, gave one of the best speeches of his presidency in Warsaw, Poland, where he physically turned

eastward to face Moscow and gave kind of a very Reaganite speech. You know, we're not going to abandon our central and eastern European allies there. So this notion that Trump is a Putin puppet is simply not borne out by history, but they actually do think it. And I think, Allie, that psychologically, if I'm trying to do the whole kind of Freudian and Jungian analysis thing, that actually is my best guess as to as to where they are coming from when it comes to this particular conflict. Because they do not feel the same way, suffice to say, about Israel's defense of war against Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian proxy war more generally. They certainly do not feel the same way when pretty much any other American ally that I can think of is under threat anywhere around the world. So there's something that is specific about this one issue that really, really, really grinds. years. I think it's mostly Russia gave. The other thing that I guess I'll just throw out there

is that there was a revolution in Ukraine in 2014, the Maidan Revolution. And I think it's just simply empirically accurate to note that around that time and afterward, a lot of liberal NGO money, Clinton Foundation, those sorts of organizations, started pumping a lot of money into Ukraine. You know, it's not a coincidence that a lot of a Hunter Biden drama alley is in Ukraine. I mean, that's where he was on the board of Brisbane there. That's not a coincidence. The Democrat out of elites, a lot of people there in kind of left-wing NGO circles more generally start pumping a lot of money and getting a lot of money out of Ukraine specifically around the time of about a decade, decade and a half ago or so. So there's a lot of financial pecuniary interests,

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But for those who don't know exactly what happened, last Friday, Ukrainian president, Vladimir Volinsky visited the White House for what was supposed to be the signing of a mineral deal between the U.S. and Ukraine as part of the ongoing discussions aimed at negotiating peace with Russia. However, the meeting ended in fiery exchanges between Trump fans and Zelensky. And this is what caused such an uproar on X. You really had a lot of people on both sides of the aisle landing in different places. But here's one of the sassy exchanges that occurred, Sotsik. Second question. And my second question for President Zelensky.

Do you ever, why don't you wear a suit? Why don't you wear a suit? You're the highest level in this country's office and you refuse to wear a suit. Just want to see if you, do you own a suit? Yeah, yeah, problems. A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting the duty in his office. I don't have such, I will wear a costume after this war will finish. Okay.

Yes, maybe one. Maybe something like yours, yes. Maybe something better. I don't know. We will see. Maybe something cheaper than, yeah. Thank you. Okay. So this was apparently a sticking point. That wasn't Trump or Vance. But earlier in the day, Trump had said something when he met him. Oh, look, he dressed up for us, which was sarcastic. And I think Vance might have even noted that it was a sign of disrespect. Slensky says that he has his reasons for that, that, you know, he's waiting until the war ended. And then, They discussed more. After 40 minutes of discussion in the Oval Office, the meeting turned sour. When Zelensky complained that the United States had not done more to help his country since 2014, when, as you mentioned, Russia invaded Crimea for four years in the United States of America.

This is what Vance said. We had a president who stood up at news conferences and talked about Vladimir Putin and then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path of peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging. engaging in diplomacy. And then Zelensky said, what kind of diplomacy, J.D., are you speaking about? Which I take as aggressive. And later, Zelensky was reprimanded by Trump and Vance. Here's not seven.

During the war, everybody has problems. Even you, but you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future. You don't know that. God bless, God bless. You don't know that. Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

I'm not telling you. Because you're in no position to dictate that. Remember this. You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. We're going to feel very good. We're going to feel very good and very strong. You're right now not in a very good position. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people.

You're gambling with World War III. You're gambling with World War III. And what you're doing is very disqualification. disrespectful to the country, this country. I'm with all respect to you. Far more than a lot of people said they should have. Have you said thank you once? A lot of times.

No, in this entire meeting that you said thank you. Even today. You went to Pennsylvania and campaign for the opposition in October, offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country. Okay, your thoughts. Ellie, I don't think that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance did anything wrong whatsoever. In fact, if you go back and actually watch the whole tape, which I would encourage the viewers to do, what you'll see is for roughly the first half hour of this 50 to 55 minute interaction before the whole thing blows up and Zelensky basically self-deports. Prior to that, for the first half hour, it's Trump himself who repeatedly is trying to steer the conversation back towards a place of mutual productivity. Let's try to get this mineral rights sharing arrangement done. Let's try to get the framework to ultimately bring in Russia

and Putin there and try to end this horrific conflict there. And it is Zelensky who decides to basically try to renegotiate the previously largely agreed to mineral rights deal in real time by trying to change the terms and say that economic security in the form of this mineral deal is not good enough, but we actually need, you know, NATO alliance style hard military physical security, which Trump has made very, very, very clear that he's not going to get that. And reasonably so. I think that Donald Trump is correct to not offer that there. But what Zelensky should have obviously realized is that a mineral rights deal is actually pretty good to put the United States economically invested in the health and prosperity of Ukraine gives them a direct stake there. I mean, this should be

exactly what he wants there. So that leads us to the obvious question, which is the subject of my newsletter out today, the Josh Hammer Report for Newsweek, which is what the heck was he thinking? I mean, like, literally, what actually was he thinking there? And my best guess, and it came out afterwards that he met with Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who like a lot of these Senate Democrats, is a massive, massive booster of the Ukraine cause there. I think that these Senate Democrats basically falsely buttered up his ego and said, don't worry about Mr. Trump. Don't worry about Van somewhere in these guys there.

Your support remains strong. Your support remains bipartisan. And go up there and stand up because the United States Senate with us and, you know, Mitch McConnell and some of these kind of. old guard Republicans. We have your back. We have your back. So don't worry about what Donald Trump's going to say there. And, you know, talk about the worst possible advice that he ever could have been given there. But the other thing as well here, you know, Ali, there's this old saying or this old principle known as Hanlon's razor, which basically says don't attribute to malice, which can be

described by stupidity. I happen to think that Lammer Zelensky is just not a particularly serious person. He's not someone who has a particularly clear understanding of geopolitics in general. He definitely does not have a clear understanding of internal American political dynamics, as evidenced by the fact that as J.D. Vance properly brought up in that clip, he literally campaigned on the campaign trail at a munitions factory in Pennsylvania with Kamala Harris. What the heck was he thinking, like literally throwing in his lot with one party over the other, not a good thing for any ally of the United States to ever do there. So he's not particularly sharp guy.

I mean, he literally was a comedian there doing stupid jokes on local television prior to his ascendance to national prominence there. So I don't know ultimately exactly how we can recover from this. I mean, surprise, surprise. Now he's basically trying to walk it back and say that I'm ready to come negotiate there. But I mean, to me, it's like, dude, like you were literally just there on Friday. I mean, you had the whole world watching you there. You could have been a statesman. And what Donald Trump and J.D. Vance is doing, and I'll make this final point, is I think that they are actually,

and I'm not a Ukrainian citizen. I don't live there. But from my vantage point, I think that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance are actually at this point looking out for the future of Ukraine more than Vladimir Zelensky is. The death toll, the carnage. Exactly. The utter wreckage in Ukraine has been catastrophic. The media focuses on the death toll, whether real or Hamas fabricated in Gaza. But even if we go with the totally fake Hamas numbers, which again are totally fake, but let's even stick for the sake of argument, let's go with those. The actual death toll in Ukraine is still orders and orders of magnitude, you know, 10, 20 times higher than that.

This country's been devastated, utterly devastated. An entire generation or two of Ukrainians has either fled. They've been conscripted. They've died. They've suffered grievous injuries there. You know, young women need husbands. And the husbands are nowhere to be found there. It's going to take Ukraine a half century or more, maybe even more than that, to possibly

recover from this. So if your mentality is that despite all of what I just said, you're still going to go to recover every possible square inch of territory, I genuinely question whether or not you was a leader of your country actually have your country's best interests at heart as a statesman. I think the clear answer is that no, he does not, in which case he should promptly resign and get an adult in the room, you can actually get his peace deal. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty simple. You're losing the war. You're losing the war. And millions of your people are dying. And it seems to me that Trump and Vance want to figure out a way to stop that. And the media and Democrats, Ben Stiller,

and all of these celebrities, and a lot of people, even in my DMs, are reduced. this to this idea, which you call the World War II theory of history of every conflict, comparing it to the Nazis versus the good guys, that if you oppose the side in any conflict that progressive say that you have to oppose, or if you don't align exactly with the exact same enthusiasm and the exact same black and white perspective of a conflict that Democrats have, then you are on the side of the Nazis. But this isn't World War II. It's not exactly the We're not dealing with the same exact two sides and the same exact issues. And there may be disagreements on how much we should support Ukraine in all of that.

But it's not the same. And that actually makes it seem to me like Democrats don't actually care about this issue, that it's not actually sincere, that it's just a cudgel. It's just a way, again, to reduce Donald Trump to Hitler, which is offensive in itself. Yeah, I'm happy you brought up my line about the World War II theory of history. I mean, I was responding to this column that Brett Stevens wrote in the New York Times, Brett Stevens, who is nominally on the right. He's kind of an old school, a neo-conservative pundit. And, you know, I mean, he's basically just comparing Putin to Hitler and saying that we're appeasing just like Neville Chamberlain.

I mean, you know, Ali, there was this talking point. The left for a long time was talking about Harry Potter at some point. I came up when it was. And we on the right kind of turned to that and said, guys, read another book. And my response to like the World War II Theory of History of History People that compare each and every conflict around the world, world to World War II. It's like, guys, can you study a different conflict maybe? I mean, there are other wars in human history going back literally to biblical times. Not every war actually is exactly the same. By the way, there actually are some wars in the modern age, which do fit

this stark moral dichotomy of World War II. I would submit to you that Israel's righteous defensive wars against jihadism fit that paradigm quite nicely, actually. But the Russian-Ukraine war is one instance of a war that actually is a little bit murky. Now, is Vladimir Putin a bad guy? Yeah, he sure as heck is. He's a very bad guy. He supports interests all across the world that are hostile to the United States. He was friendly with Bashar al-Assad. He's friendly with North Korea, China, Iran, you name it. He's friendly with all the worst guys there. Did he start this war? You betcha. He was one who physically invaded Ukraine. Now, it's a little more complicated. I think the West could have done a lot to preclude that, but it's still true that Putin actually was the one who initiate hostilities

there. And he is ultimately morally to blame for that which we have gotten there. But is Ukraine kind of this bastion of liberal democracy that I think the neol liberals and the neoconservatives alike would like to portray it as? No, no, it's absolutely not. In fact, according to some metrics, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world in terms of public corruption there. They do not necessarily have free and fair elections there. It is not an American, Canada, Australia style Western democracy. It is a fledgling, fledgling state that has mightily struggled ever since the fall of communism and the fall of Berlin Wall back in 1989 there. And this actually is a conflict that is a little more nuance than this stark World War II

moral dichotomy view. Again, I'm not saying that Russia is a good actor. I'm just saying that Ukraine maybe is not necessarily like the greatest thing since sliced bread or anything like that. But more importantly, Allie, my personal foreign policy, I'm a hardheaded realist here. I look at every conflict around the world and I say, what is the American national interest in this particular conflict? To me, that is the sole and exclusive thing that we ought to look at in every conflict around the world.

So for instance, when it comes to the Israel-Hamas conflict, I think that militates in a very different direction, actually, than the Ukraine-Russia conflict. You go back to October 7th, and dozens of Americans were killed or taken hostage. In fact, October 7th, and to an extent, the situation in Gaza today, is actually the largest American hostage crisis since Tehran in 1979, the infamous Jimmy Carter, hostage crisis there. Hamas, obviously, is a U.S. recognized foreign terrorist organization. and on and on and on there. So it seems to me that there is a pretty clear national interest in supporting our ally to just take care of business in Gaza, which Donald Trump seems, thank God, to totally understand and agree with there. But in Russia and Ukraine there, let's look there. I mean, what exactly is the American national interest in exactly how the Dombas region border in eastern Ukraine is divvied up? We're talking here about these towns along this border. By the way, this border, which has shifted hands hundreds, thousands of times over the course of the past two millennia there. These are not exactly strong. historically defined borders. But, you know, what exactly is the interest in drawing the border one way to incorporate some ethnically linguistically split 50-50 Russia-Ukrainian towns on one side of the border versus the other there? I would submit to you that there really is not

a clear and compelling national interest for the United States one way or the other. Now, if Vladimir Putin decides to start marching in in Warsaw, Poland, a NATO country there, okay, slightly different conversation. I'm willing to have that conversation for sure. But Ukraine is not in NATO. Ukraine does not trigger Article 5 NATO treaties. obligations to kind of send in, you know, the 100 first airborne to start to start bombing Russians with American tax-fair dollars. Do you think we should get out of NATO like Donald Trump has suggested? I'm very open to that conversation.

I'm not entirely sure that like that today is necessarily the best day to having that. I happen to be deeply skeptical of these transnational organizations in general, the UN, NATO, the World Trade Organization there. I mean, I'm a nationalist. You know, I think that sovereignty is best held when the American people wielded then the American Congress wielded there. So I'm deeply skeptical of transnationalism. NATO, it's worth pointing out, Allie.

I mean, NATO quite literally outlived its usefulness in 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell, or at least in 1991 when the Russian Federation emerged from the ashes of the Soviet Union. So at this point, I think it's totally fair to ask what purpose is NATO serve? But the bare, at the barest of bare minimums, I think it's crazy, frankly, in retrospect, that Eastern European Baltic states like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, I mean, why were ever of these countries in consideration for ascension to NATO in the first place there? If memory serves, there was a vote in the Senate maybe about two years ago, year and a half, two years ago. So when it comes to Finland and Sweden, I mean, why in the world we would be adding new countries to NATO at this point makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Ukraine obviously fits in that. So at a bare minimum, we should not be adding new countries. But yeah, I'm definitely open to the conversation about actually winding down the entire thing in its entirety. America's geopolitical challenge this century is rolling back the Chinese Communist Party. China, China, China. That is our challenge of century to the extent that NATO is a distraction from that, then it probably should ultimately be wound down. Maybe not today, but at some point.

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And so they're just uncomfortable with this kind of direct talk. Again, I saw nothing wrong with it. I didn't see it as disrespectful. They saw it as men talking about a very important life or death issue. And also I saw some people saying, yeah, this is what happens when you take money from people, When you take money from people, you are put in a position where whether you feel it or not, you've got to be the grateful one. You've got to be the respectful one because the person lending you the money, giving you the money is in the position of power.

But Zelensky issued a statement on X to apologize and return to the negotiating table. I'm with you. I think he kind of blew his chance there. Crazy that he just blew up that opportunity. But my team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a piece that last, we do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. Our meeting in Washington at the White House on Friday did not go the way it was supposed to. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like

future cooperation and communication to be constructive. You know, President Trump kind of echoed those sentiments, obviously not apologizing in any way, but saying, we still want peace too. We're still ready to sign a deal. We want to move forward as well. Would you say that Trump decidedly won this round or is it yet to be seen? I mean, Ali, I'm not sure that anyone won or lost. I mean, I think that the country of Ukraine lost

because they were failed by their leader who should have gone in there and agreed to this deal that was in the Ukrainian national interest to agree to, this mineral rights deal there. So, you know, I prefer to think of it as a loss for Ukraine. Is it a victory for Trump advance? I mean,

I guess if you want to do kind of the you know, the victor loser's dichotomy, then sure there. But I mean, ultimately, no one's a winner here because, you know, the winning solution is that this terrible war ends. The winning solution is that America finds some way to give Ukraine some security absent a NATO-style physical security commitment. That was the whole purpose of this middle right seal. Ultimately, I think victory and winning looks like Ukraine and Russia both coming to the negotiating table, finding some way to redraw the map in the Dombas region of eastern Ukraine and Crimea to basically allow all parties to go home to their domestic audiences.

say that we got a decent deal there. That's what victory looks like. I'm not sure that what happened on Friday is necessarily a victory. I do think that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance, maybe J.D. Vance, above all, who has been kind of a critic of Ukraine ever since his Ohio Senate campaign, I think that they're absolutely vindicated because Zelensky behaved, frankly, like a clown, like a totally unsurious politician, like an ignoramus or buffoon, someone who just has no business whatsoever trying to make peace, which again leads me to my conclusion that he really ought to resign, You'll have to step down post-haste for the sake of his own country, for the sake of peace there. So to that extent, yes, I do think that Trump and especially probably J.D. Vance come out of this looking quite good.

But ultimately, Ali, victory for Ukraine, victory for the United States. Victory, frankly, for the world. If I can even go that abstract, I think it looks like a durable, lasting peace between Russia and Ukraine. Yeah. Well, we absolutely have to have you back on in a couple weeks when your book comes out to talk more about what's going on in Israel. as much as I would love to get your thoughts on some things right now. I know that you've got to go. We're short on time. But tell everyone the title of your book where they can pre-order and we'll definitely talk more about it when it actually comes out.

Yeah, thanks so much, Ali. I can't wait for that. So the book is titled Israel and Civilization, the fate of the Jewish Nation and the destiny of the West. You can pre-order it now on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever you get your book pre-orders. And just real quick, as I said, Allie, the book is not just about the state of Israel and U.S. relations, that's in there. I mean, I have multiple chapters on that, but this audience, I think, will really, really appreciate because it's really a book more broadly about the Bible. I basically argue that Western civilization begins with God's revelation to Moses and the Israelites there

standing at Mount Sinai, and that all of that, which we call Western civilization today is ultimately downstream of our biblical inheritance. And the book, ultimately, Ali calls for a Jewish-Christian nationalist alliance to ward off the three hegemonic forces that we face, which are in no particular order, wokeism, Islamism, and global neoliberalism. So there's a lot packed in there, but Israel and Civilization is the title of the book. You can pre-order it today. Okay. If you can send me a book before our next interview, I would love to make sure that I can make all my notes on it before we talk. Thank you so much, Josh. I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much, Al. Okay. I just want to take a quick break to remind you guys about

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