Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1186 | From Crunchy to Cultish: The Deconstruction of 'Rose Uncharted'

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Starting point is 00:01:57 healthy again. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. All right. Today we are going to get into a subject that I've been wanting to talk about for a while, but it is so deep with so many different layers. I just wanted to make sure that we are fully prepared. And that is talking about a deconstruction journey of a particular influencer that has been over the past few years extremely popular in the crunchy mom world. I've received a ton of messages about her recent post talking about what I would call what she believes is some kind of liberation from the constrictions of traditional religion. And this is not an attack on this individual person. I'm not trying to even focus on this one

Starting point is 00:02:59 individual, but the content that she has publicly produced and published on her. her Instagram is a really good example of false teaching that Christians need to be really aware of, especially the demographic in my audience, the Christian on the crunchy side mom that tends to question authority and question the government and push back against arbitrary rules. All of those things are great. I fall into those categories too. and a lot of Christians do. However, there is, I think, a susceptibility because of those character traits that we have,

Starting point is 00:03:44 because we like to ask questions, to be attracted to certain forms of false teaching, perversions of Christianity that bill themselves as getting out of these, like, these constraints and thinking outside of the box, but is really just, work of the devil is really just an anti-Christ philosophy. So this particular influencer, she goes by the moniker, Rose Uncharted. And again, this is not an attack on her. In fact, like, I feel very, I feel very sad about all the things that we are going to talk about today. But I am even sadder, not just for her, I'm even sadder for those in her audience that have trusted her for several years, have looked to her even as a Christian or a biblical voice, and now are being

Starting point is 00:04:41 led us straight by a kind of ideology that leads straight to hell. That's how serious it is. What we're talking about today, they're not just differences of doctrinal opinions. They're not secondary and tertiary issues. We are talking about a very serious and it's sometimes a very persuasive distortion of the gospel. And so the reason I'm talking about it is because I think there's a lot of overlap in our audience because I really care about the truth because I want you when you see this kind of language, when you see this kind of unraveling happen among other people that you follow or people in your lives, I want you to be able to spot the language and to see

Starting point is 00:05:27 that is a false teaching. That is new age. That is outside of scripture that is not going to give me the freedom, the happiness, the fulfillment that I am looking for. So let me tell you what's been going on. Maybe you're totally unaware of this. This still really applies to you too, even if you haven't followed this person, because this kind of deconstructive narrative, as we've been talking about for years now,

Starting point is 00:05:51 is extremely pervasive. And you'll see why it's attractive to so many people. I would say in particular women. So this person rose uncharted. She's got over 165,000 followers. She became really popular during COVID because she pushed back rightly against a lot of the COVID regulations. That just didn't make sense. We're restricting our freedoms.

Starting point is 00:06:15 We're actually counterproductive to making us healthier, especially when it came to widespread mask mandates and vaccine mandates. And so that is why a lot of people in mind. audience, and I might have even followed her for a while too, but why a lot of women followed her? Because she was this very bold voice. She is a mom. She is holistic. She's for natural medicine and natural birth. She asks questions about typical Western medicine. And that is something that a lot of people in the conservative Christian mom crowd do as well. And she was kind of leading the charge in a lot of this.

Starting point is 00:06:55 and she was also using scripture to do so, or she was using what seemed like kind of Christian ideas. Now, I don't think, I don't know if I ever followed her. I don't follow her now and I haven't followed her for a very long time if I ever did. But certainly like the language that she kind of used surrounding Christianity was not something that was appealing to me. They were kind of these, to me, name it and claim it concepts, which is also something that is unfortunately. extremely pervasive in like the conservative, crunchy world and almost ethereal and close to scriptural, but not quite. But yeah, I could see how if someone liked her and liked her anti-COVID regulations content that you would appreciate that she sprinkled scripture in, that

Starting point is 00:07:47 she talked about God every now and then. And we started to see, I started to get messages about this about a year ago that she was beginning to deconstruct. Now, if you don't know what deconstruction is, I would say it's a very polite euphemism to describe the process that a Christian goes through when they no longer believe what the Bible teaches about a lot of things. In general, I'm not even talking about this individual. In general, it usually has to do with social issues and politics. Very often I see someone who they have someone in their life who has just come out as gay. They've started to question things about gender, about identity, sexuality, or maybe they just didn't like Donald Trump. They don't like the Republican Party.

Starting point is 00:08:45 They were hurt by the conservative evangelical church that they grew up in. So because of that, from that place of hurt or from that place sometimes of empathy, they start to deconstruct. They start to look at the parts of the Bible that they think have justified the things that they disagree with and that have hurt them. And they throw those away. And then they are kind of left with remnants of the Bible that I think are by themselves don't give you a full or accurate picture of what Christianity really is or who Jesus really was. they almost always become progressive. They almost always become progressive socially, morally, culturally, politically, and they begin to reject the idea of heaven and hell, of punishment,

Starting point is 00:09:38 of judgment of Jesus actually dying on the cross for our sins. Very often they end up going into the realm of universalism. They end up rejecting John 14, 6, that Jesus is the way of the truth in life that no one can come to the father except through him. And so that's kind of what ends up happening. Now, some people deconstruct and they make their way back. And that is beautiful. They can give us a lot of wisdom like Elisa Childers, whom we've had on this podcast. She's spoken at Share the Arrow's. She's talked about that journey. There are people who have that as their testimony. And there are people who have to disentangle, as Ginger Duggervolo has told us, who will also be at Share the arrows, she had to disentangle some of the legalism that she grew up with,

Starting point is 00:10:26 that it wasn't actually biblical some of the things that she believed in practice when she grew up. And so she disentangled from that. But she didn't move further away from the Bible and further away from the gospel. She moved more deeply into the Bible to see what does God really say? And what is the gospel really? Like what is the freedom that is found in Christ? What does that really look like? So that is different than the deconstruction, which instead of moving deeper into scripture,

Starting point is 00:10:55 instead of assuming in humility that maybe we just don't understand everything, maybe our discomfort isn't an indicator that the Bible is wrong, but an indicator that we are wrong and that we need to be helped and we need to be sanctified. So the deconstructionist moves outside of scripture to other sources. And that is typically how the journey goes in thinking they've discovered something so big and so much bigger than Christianity and the Bible and all of that. So just to define that term of deconstruction, but Rose Uncharted posted something in April of 2024. She said the liberation that comes from not having to categorize everything into the dualism of good or bad. It's not about indifference

Starting point is 00:11:38 or apathy. It's understanding the vast spectrum of existence without the need to classify or judge it. And actually a commenter under that post from a year ago says, the caption seems a long way to say you're deconstructing and that definitive truth doesn't exist, that your truth changes. Humility and acknowledgement that your understanding of the world is not absolute is wise, but this is why God makes it crystal clear what is good and what is bad. So our human lens doesn't get in the way. So I think that that's a really wise comment.

Starting point is 00:12:09 It seems like a lot of her followers at the time realized that, okay, this is what's happening, that there is a deconstruction happening here. She seems to be abandoning the true principles of Christianity, and that is worrisome. We'll get into some more of this in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor for the day, and that is WeHeart Nutrition. I am so grateful for WeHeart Nutrition. I have been using their new supplement that they just came out with for probably two months, and it's their wholesome balance product. And it is like the Swiss Army knife for your hormones, whether you are struggling with really intense PMS symptoms, or whether you are postpartum and you're looking for hormonal regulation, whether you're

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Starting point is 00:13:40 deal. Go to weheartnutrition.com. Use code alley for 20% off. That's weheartnutrition.com code and then in May of last year, she posted a real, do you have a biblical worldview or do you have a worldview shaped by your subcultures version of Christianity? Okay, that's something that I've seen progressive say a lot. Like you can't say what a biblical worldview is. It's completely subjective and you are actually just influenced by your political party or America or your Western lens and you don't actually have a biblical worldview. In November of 2024, she announced that she is looking into or that she is practicing astrology. So she said Pluto is now in Aquarius.

Starting point is 00:14:41 the age of unchecked authority and power imbalances is over. All right. So this is like as good as of an announcement that you are departing from Christian principles as any. We know that astrology is divination. And divination is the attempt to interact with the divine or what you think is the divine, the supernatural outside. of the biblical channels of prayer, outside of the regulations that God in his grace and

Starting point is 00:15:19 his goodness and his clarity has given us. So you're looking for divine power, divine wisdom, outside of the source of these things in astrology or in tarot cards or in a medium, in the dead. All of these things count as sorcery and divination. Astrology as a part of that. So just as an aside, you don't need to. know your zodiac sign. It tells you nothing. That is demonic and you need to depart from that. If you are still reading like your little astrology sign readings in your magazine, when I was growing up, it was like in 17 magazine and you could read like what boy is going to IM you back that month based on your zodiac sign. Whatever it is today, however you are reading your

Starting point is 00:16:05 zodiac signs today, you got to get out of that. Okay. It's demonic and it is going to pull you further away from Christ, further away from the truth, not help you really understand more about yourself. Only the God who created you can help you understand more about yourself. And God knew that astrology and divination and sorcery, that it's from the devil, because there aren't three powers. There are only two powers. There's Satan's powers, the prince of the power of the air, as we read in Ephesians too. And then there's God's power. There is light and there is darkness. So everything that is not of God is of Satan. So sorcery, divination, mediums, trying to communicate with the dead, witchcraft, magic, all of that kind of stuff. I'm not just talking about

Starting point is 00:16:49 like fictional, magical stories like the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe, but stuff that is actually trying to be practiced today using power that is not gods. All of that is of Satan. And God wants to protect us from that. He wants to protect us from the burden that that places on us to believe that we are our own gods and we have that power in ourselves because we make terrible gods and it's a burden that we are not strong enough to bear. And he wants to protect us from the predation of Satan who seeks to kill, steal, and destroy, not actually help us. Okay. So there's a reason that God warrants his people in the Old Testament against divination. Deuteronomy 1810 through 12 says there shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering. Anyone who practices divination or

Starting point is 00:17:35 tells fortunes or interprets omens. So he is literally putting, God is putting psychics in the category of people who sacrificed their children. Because we see throughout history that those kind of pagan practices end up going hand in hand. I am not saying, because we've had ex-ps on the show, I am not saying that they are simultaneously practicing those things or that they even are condoning those practices all people who dabble in astrology and things like that. but God is telling us those two things in cultures, in societies, tend to go together. He also says in Deuteronomy, a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer so that's someone who's communicating with the dead.

Starting point is 00:18:17 We're not supposed to communicate with the dead. Remember that. Or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations, the Lord, dear God is driving them out before you. Okay. So astrology is not okay. We had a lot of commenters, thankfully, biblically sound commenters, comment on that post and say, oh, this is not cool. And then in February 2025, we had the post that officially announced the deconstruction where she posted an Instagram reel. Well, okay, actually, no, we're not there yet. This was a hint of the deconstruction. Posted an Instagram reel that she was

Starting point is 00:18:59 lip-syncing the lyrics of a song, Get Lost, that talks about some kind of like liberation from man-made religion. And then in the caption, she said, stepping out of religion feels like stepping out of a room that was never built for me in the first place. It was never about truth. It was about pledging allegiance to the Bible. Not as something to seek and wrestle with, but is something already decided for you and posed upon you, interpreted for you by men through the ages with a variety of intentions,

Starting point is 00:19:28 and good and bad. I've come to believe. So actually, I guess this is an announcement. My note said that this was hinting at it, but this seems like an announcement to me. I've come to believe Christianity is a corrupt and flawed man-made system designed to keep us afraid of ourselves, afraid of our own instincts, afraid of wanting more, afraid of our very own hearts. She says, now the unknown is no longer a threat to me, no more measuring every step against an old ledger of sin and salvation because freedom isn't about answers. It's about movement. I'm dancing at the edge of the map, realizing that home is in a single place, yada, yada, yada. So she's saying that outside of religion, she has been able to really find God, find God for herself. And then we also

Starting point is 00:20:20 see in February 2025 the Western versus Eastern comparison. And gosh, I see this so much in progressive circles, the demonization of the Western lens and the Western mentality, as if Western civilization, because of Christianity, isn't responsible for the concept of human rights. Like, I loathe that. It is such a, like, I hear that in sermons and in women's Bible studies all the time. We just have to forget our Western lens or put off our Western lens, but we never tell people to put off their Eastern lens. As if, like, Eastern, means good and right and that they can see God better or understand God better just because they might be geographically a little bit closer to Jerusalem. I just think that's silly. Like,

Starting point is 00:21:08 Eastern philosophy is extremely vulnerable as well to all kinds of false teaching, all kinds of mysticism and new age. In fact, it is Eastern mysticism making its way into the United States, wetting itself with progressivism and the prosperity gospel that has really created this unholy trinity of deadly ideology that I think women are very attracted to. So she made a post in February of 2025 talking about Western versus Eastern that, you know, the perspective, she's had a perspective shift that has been liberating, felt restricted within Christianity. And she said she has fondness for times under the Christian label, but now she's deepening her, deepening her spirituality by looking at other perspectives. And then she mentions a podcast, which everyone needs

Starting point is 00:22:12 to be aware of. And I've heard this podcast. I've heard about this podcast before. And it is a podcast that was created by someone named Marty Solomon. It's supposed to be a discipleship tool. but it is basically encouraging deconstruction. It is encouraging a questioning of the Bible from a progressive perspective. If you look at a lot of the resources that are referenced in this podcast that she recommends and says she learns from, we've got, for example, we've got Brian D. McLaren. McLearen is widely regarded as a leader in the deconstruction movement. He said in the past that homosexuality is not simple. He encourages people to doubt the Christian faith.

Starting point is 00:22:58 Rob Bell, you'll probably remember Rob Bell. He wrote that book, Love Wins. He expressed a universalist sentiment that basically love wins, so everyone gets to go to heaven one day. Rachel held Evans. She died a few years ago, but she was also extremely progressive, extremely pro-LGBQ, questioning the traditions of the faith. And then you've got several other authors like that. And then you've got this person, well, okay, let me mention Sarah Bessie.

Starting point is 00:23:28 You remember Sarah Bessie? I'm pretty sure she's the person that wrote that compilation of prayers a few years ago. This would have been 2021 that I talked about this. And it was included in her compilation of prayers and divos for women was literally titled A Prayer to Hate White People. Okay. So these are the people that are apparently the Sherpas leading people outside of a Christian faith into a more, quote unquote, liberated faith. And then we've got this really important

Starting point is 00:23:57 person that we are going to talk about more deeply. And that is Richard Roar. Richard Roar is the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation. He founded that in 1987. He is maybe not the founder of, but probably the biggest propeller of this idea of Christ consciousness. And so just remember that Christ consciousness, cosmic Christ. because we're going to get into that. We can see in the post that we're about to talk about that Rose Uncharted has been, whether she even knows it or not, extremely affected by Richard Rour, who is not in any sense of the word a true Christian,

Starting point is 00:24:39 does not believe in Christian values or Christian doctrines, but uses, and this is what all cults do, this is what many false teachings do, he uses some Christian language to make you believe that what he is preaching is the real Christianity, that what you've learned and what you've heard and what has been passed down for thousands and thousands of years through the Word of God, that that that's not real, that's not right. I've got something special that I can access and you can access too if you listen to me.

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Starting point is 00:26:47 important. They're very significant. They were purposely curated to communicate a particular message, and I think that message is important. Here's that one. I remember. And in this remembering, I like the first time. This flame was buried when the old world took the throne. This is the remembering of the light that always belonged to you. All right. So what she is trying to communicate here seems to be what she has been hinting at for a long time, that religion or man-made philosophies, ideologies, those are really holding you back. Christianity as a tradition is what she would call a man-made religion. That is holding you back. That seems to be what she is communicating here. I will say whether she intends this or not, the symbolism and the actions taken in this

Starting point is 00:28:02 video look a lot like witchcraft. She looks a lot, it looks a lot like witchcraft. The lighting of the torch, the empowerment, and there's more that she says, she says, I am here to say, yes, this is the remembering of the light that always belonged to you, a light that no priest, no king, no system can mediate the light in your body and soul older than doctrine, older than empire. It's another word important to remember. Older than forgetting itself, I light this torch because I remember, and now so will you. If your bones hum as I speak, if your skin prickles.

Starting point is 00:28:40 So see that emotionalism right there. If your body leans forward without knowing why it's because you were always meant to remember, too. This was always a part of you. This also really reminds me. You know, I've talked to the guys from cultish for a while. And so I have like all of these, you know, different facts about the different cults because of a lot of the ex-cultists that I've talked to as well. But this is very typical in the new age. It's typical in all different kinds.

Starting point is 00:29:10 of cults, this idea that, oh, you feel a certain way about what I'm saying because that is the divine or that is a spark in you or that is your ancestors or that is, you know, some kind of deep primal knowing in you that what I'm saying is true and you belong here. And look, you can make people feel a lot of things through visuals and what you're saying. And that's not always wrong as long as what you are saying is true. And then we've got the conversation. And this will go back to Richard Rohr and the Christ Consciousness. We've got the conversation about Christ frequency.

Starting point is 00:29:50 So there's a post from April 2026, 2025, rather. The Christ frequency was never meant to be contained. It was meant to awaken. But when Empire saw how powerful it was, it did what Empire always does. it institutionalized it. The way of inner liberation became a tool of outer control. A living current was translated into doctrine, hierarchy, and fear. You see the assumption there. The assumption is that tradition and that any form of hierarchy and that doctrine are all bad. And that what she is preaching, which is very unclear and extremely vague and extremely subjective,

Starting point is 00:30:33 and based on your own personal feelings, that that is liberation, but that the Bible in these doctrines and theology, that all of that is restrictive. And then she posted this, April 2025, Christ is not a person. Christ is not a person. It's a frequency, a radiant, holy remembrance of union. It lives in you, it lives in me. It lives in the ones who have never set foot. in a church. So she then interprets scripture, the beatitudes, Jesus's words, in light of this

Starting point is 00:31:11 idea of Christ consciousness. Blessed are the meek really means, she says the power that is already inside you. Love your enemies. Nothing is truly outside of you. The first shall be last. Ego must fall for soul to rise. The kingdom is within. Stop seeking what you already are. So that's her new interpretation of scripture. And she says, and this is what a lot of, of people say who go this direction, that they're closer to Jesus than ever, actually. I never left Jesus. I left the illusion of him. I left the gatekeepers, the performance, the shame and holy clothes. And on the other side, I found something wilder and quieter. I found the Christed light inside me. And then there is another reel that she posted. She used the song Cassandra

Starting point is 00:31:55 by Taylor Swift. I guess Cassandra is some kind of prophet. I don't know. Mythological Trojan Princess cursed to utter true prophecies that no one believed. So I think she is saying Taylor Swift is saying that she is Cassandra. And Rose Uncharted is also saying that she's Cassandra. How do we have so many Cassandras? It's crazy. And then we also have another infographic about this in, let's see, April 2025,

Starting point is 00:32:32 talking about Trump, that Trump helped the awakening, but then he's kind of like a part of the institution. So, all right, let's break this down. What is all of this actually? Is this some new message that she has discovered that really is going to liberate you and fulfill you? And maybe this is attractive to you. If you've been let down by your local church, if your pastor hurts you, if you find the rules of religion restrictive, if you find the idea of denying yourself and taking up your cross and following Christ, unappealing. Maybe something like this that is deeper and mystical and based on your emotions. Maybe you are a more emotional person. Maybe you're more artistic. Maybe you're more creative. Maybe you do naturally, you know,

Starting point is 00:33:18 buck against authority. And so all of these are persuasive to you. First, let me say, I can relate to a lot of that. I also loathe arbitrary rules. I don't hate all rules. But my natural instinct is to ask why always you can ask my parents you can ask any teacher that I've ever had and I do not naturally submit to authority a lot of people do a lot of people I'm not even saying that that's bad when people are naturally just kind of like respect authority I think that makes life easier in a lot of ways but I have never been like that so I can relate to the idea of not wanting to be restricted. I am more of a free spirit in a lot of ways. Maybe that would surprise a lot of you, but I really am. Like, I want to know why. I want to dig into it. But I have also, as I have been that

Starting point is 00:34:10 way, my entire life, as I've asked a lot of questions, and as I've thought hard, I keep going back to Jesus. Like I keep going back to this guy that we are still counting time around, that his death and his birth and his resurrection was so monumental that we can't get him out of our minds and our mouths and our lives and that he is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We know that from Hebrews 138, but that he is still disrupting earthly philosophies and science and scholarship seems to always be catching up with him and catching up with scripture. And so when I see things like this, this kind of deconstruction. While I can relate to it, I also realize that it is a result of walking away from the Bible, of walking away from Christ, of walking away from the church and thinking you know

Starting point is 00:35:05 better. It is an exchange of the God of Scripture for the God of self. And it really is a tale as old as time. So this idea of Christ consciousness, we've talked about this before. We talked about this first in probably 2024. So I would go back and listen to an episode that we did. It was actually about the whole Candice Owens Christ's King thing. We talked about Christ's consciousness in that. And it's popular usage today. It's a new age term. It's not Christian in any sense. It's, I think even Russell Brand has talked about it before. It's an Eastern mystical idea that you hear used in Buddhism and Hinduism, other pagan religions. It basically means reaching your higher self. a transcendent level of self-awareness, personal development.

Starting point is 00:35:51 It has nothing to do with Christianity, has nothing to do with the gospel, has nothing to do with a real biblical Jesus. It is a God of self man-made cult. So it is this new age concept that says that spiritual awareness or being aware of the frequency of people around you, of the things around you, of the ideas around you will help you. reach enlightenment through like personal spiritual growth and it draws from different ideologies like Gnosticism, Eastern mysticism. And this idea believes that Jesus, like if he was a real historical person, which he was, that is really irrefutable. There's no serious historian that denies that Jesus of Nazareth really existed. But they would say if he was even a real person, then he was just an example, even beyond a moral teacher, because some people just completely

Starting point is 00:36:52 illogically believe that. That's the Lord liar lunatic problem that C.S. Lewis put forth. But that he was really a frequency. He was really an idea. He was really something to which we can attain. And gosh, I see this kind of language so much that everyone can attain to be the example of Christ. But Christ isn't like a savior. He wasn't God made flesh. He wasn't a real person. They don't even believe that he really bodily conquered death and rose from the dead. He's just this kind of mystical idea and concept that we can all attain to. The path is open for anyone. The center of Christ's consciousness says it's the cosmic Christ. And it's the cosmic Christ is really interchangeable with the divine self. It is the highest state of intellectual and development and emotional maturity.

Starting point is 00:37:45 this reminds me honestly a lot of Christian science and Scientology in a lot of ways. And as I said earlier, one of the biggest proponents of Christ consciousness is author Richard Rour. So Richard Rour says he's a priest. He's an author. He is an influential spiritual teacher. He started the Center for Action and Contemplation in 1987. And he supposedly is supposed to help people with their spiritual growth. He wrote a book most recently, I think one of his most recent books is the Universal

Starting point is 00:38:22 Christ. That's definitely one of his books. I'm just not sure when it was published. But this is really where he puts forth his idea of Christ consciousness. And remember, Richard Rour is a big contributor to the podcast that Rose Uncharted said helped her unlearn all of Christian doctrine. He writes that Christ is a universal cosmic presence, not necessarily tied to Jesus, but still present in all of creation. So this is where we see that kind of gnosticism. He seems to suggest that Christ is a state of awareness where one sees the divine in everything. So again, this is so careful. It's so important that we're careful here.

Starting point is 00:39:05 Seeing the divine in everything is not the same thing as seeing the image of God in everyone. Gnosticism, this idea that there is like, you know, some higher knowledge that we can attain to also usually posits this idea, that there is the divine in everything. There's a divine frequency. There's kind of like some kind of cosmic frequency in everything. And that's how we're all interconnected and empire and powers and manmade religions. They're trying to separate us and tear us all apart. but if we recognize that there's Christ in everything, not just the Amago Day in every one, then we will all finally be connected and we will be liberated.

Starting point is 00:39:52 Roars Center for Action and Contemplation published an article in November of 2020 that went so far is to say that the kingdom of heaven is a consciousness, that heaven is a metaphor. Gosh, this is so old. It's so tired. And that's why I think it's so important just to show like where this comes from, that this has been around for a very long time. It predates Richard Roar. If you look at the history of psychology, really, if you want a crash course in this, you should read my first book. You're not enough. And that's okay escaping the toxic culture of self-love. Like, I know that I'm getting into kind of controversial territory here, but we've talked about it before. If you look at the roots of a lot of personality tasks, if you look at the roots of

Starting point is 00:40:31 psychology, if you look at the roots of things like the Eniogram, they're not Christian roots. their psychological roots. Even the guy who created the enneagram, he said that he got the vision from Megatron, a demon. All of this kind of goes together because it's all focused on the self and the higher self. And Christ is kind of being used as a way to worship the self in this whole Christ consciousness frequency world. So Richard Ward believes that heaven is not a place you go. It's a consciousness that you start to embody.

Starting point is 00:41:06 And what these people typically believe is that heaven, hell and the constructs of sin and salvation, that these are all used to disempower people and to oppress people and to keep people in these tight boxes. The problem is they never present a good alternative. Okay, let me pause and it reminds you that we've got good, we've got Share the arrows. I almost said Good Ranchers, but Share the Arrows is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers this year. and I'm so excited, October 11th, Dallas, Texas, y'all, it's going to be so good. All the stuff that we're talking about today, if you are interested in it, if you are overwhelmed by it, if you want to know more about it, you need to come to share the arrows because we're going to have Elisa Childers, who I think is the best at talking about all of this, at pushing back

Starting point is 00:41:53 biblically against all of this, and she is going to be talking about the new age, how we battle the new age, what it looks like. And Elisa was one of the favorite talks last year. I knew we had to bring her back because she is just incredible. So you'll hear from her, Ginger Duggervolo, who was also talked about deconstruction versus disentangling. Katie Faust, she is so good at pushing back against the spirit of the age. Shauna Holman, Taylor Dukes. How can we be crunchy and holistic in a way that actually honors God and actually looks to the

Starting point is 00:42:24 Bible instead of departing from it? Francesca Battiselli has also been pushing back in the comments very gently to Rose Uncharted and pointing her to Christ. And so if you want to be around people who know the gospel, who love God and who care about pushing back against the culture in a way that is gospel-oriented, bringing light into darkness, whether it's in or outside of your homes, then you need to come to share the arrows, y'all. Go to share the arrows.com. October 11th, Dallas, Texas, related bros out there. If you are listening to this episode, get your wife to share the arrows ticket. Just trust me on that.

Starting point is 00:43:00 I, of course, will be there. and I will be delivering my own speech as well. Go to share the arrows.com. So there are other new age teachers that talk about this philosophy. A course in miracles by Helen Shuckman was published in 1976. And she also put forth this idea of the Christ consciousness or the universal Christ. She said the name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol. It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all.

Starting point is 00:43:37 all the gods to which you pray. So it's just straight up paganism. Remember Marianne Williamson? She ran for president. She wrote a book all the way back in 1992. The year I was born called A Return to Love. And that actually popularized that book that I just cited, that Helen Shuckman book, of course, in Miracles,

Starting point is 00:43:58 where she puts forth this idea, too, that Christ consciousness is really about self-enlightenment. We've got Deepak Chopra. He blends Eastern Middhist. mysticism with Christian terms. So it's Eastern mysticism as well as Hinduism and Buddhism. He says Jesus represents a state of consciousness, what I call Christ consciousness, what I call Christ consciousness. Dude, it's been around for a long time. You didn't come up with that. He wrote in 2008, the third Jesus, the Christ we cannot ignore. The third Jesus,

Starting point is 00:44:28 at the level of pure consciousness, there is no separation between you and the divine. So here's the problem with all of this. I mean, there's a big problem and we'll get into the scripture in just a second. But the big problem is that these people never tell you the alternative. They tell you that right and wrong or subjective, that Christianity doesn't really have it, that it's been infected by empire. And that's really just a way, maybe not all of these people, but that's really just a way to tell you that if you are a Christian that allows your Christianity to inform your worldview, including your vote, then you're a scary, Christian nationalist fascist and you've allowed empire to infect your theology and blah, blah, blah, you need to stop doing that and just be progressive. It's just silly. It's just silly. We're supposed to shine light in a darkness. And if that changes how the empire does things, if that stops them from sacrificing babies,

Starting point is 00:45:23 then praise God. Like, that's a really big win. So your little empire finger wagging is not going to work on me. Okay. Jesus is the authority of all things, including our politics, including our. governments. Anyway. So they'll say things like that. But then they won't ever tell you, okay, but what is actually true? What is right and what is wrong? Is that something that we should be completely unconcerned with? I don't think so because just like every moral relativist for all

Starting point is 00:45:52 of time, people are moral relativists in the abstract only. And what I mean by that is that you are a moral relativist until someone steals your bike, until someone punches you in the face. until someone trips your child on the sidewalk, until they defraud you. And then you very much believe at an objective right and wrong. And in fact, I know Rose believes in an objective right and wrong because she was rightly speaking out against the constitutional infringements that the government was guilty of during the COVID era. Like she understands that personal liberty is actually an objective good. That's a good thing. And by the way, like, we wouldn't even have a concept of that. If it weren't for what Christianity,

Starting point is 00:46:41 by the way, without the, without Christianity, without the Bible, without the Protestant Reformation, we certainly wouldn't have America in this concept of individual rights and self-governance and personal freedom. She seems to believe in some of those things, which she believes are objective rights. And so everyone who believes that, oh, there's just a lot of gray, that morality is just kind of cultural. It's just relative from person to person. Yeah, until someone does something to you and then you realize there is an objective wrong. Because the reality is that God wrote eternity on the human heart. We are made in the image of God. And so when we instinctively know that something is unjust, when something is wrong,

Starting point is 00:47:26 when something is done to us that feels really bad, we know it's wrong because whether we we are Christians or not. Because we've been made in God's image, we have some kind of instinct and wisdom that tells us that. Jack Marino, who has been on this show before, she was into witchcraft. She was into the new age. She was into cults. She's an amazing young woman. And the episode we did with her was extremely successful because her testimony is just so compelling

Starting point is 00:47:58 and how dark she went and believing into the extraterrestrial, believing a lot of this stuff that we articulated. She talked on our show about this Christ consciousness. She says that Christ consciousness is self-love and embracing my shadow. She said that this was the belief that your sin isn't really sin. It's just shame. That's what a lot of these people will tell you. She said, could never have been, have truly saved or delivered me from my sin and shame. She said, there were so many ways I tried to have freedom from bondage my own way, embracing my own version of Christ and the ways that I desired, and ultimately making myself my own God. These things didn't have any power. Nothing changed and none of these things made me happy.

Starting point is 00:48:40 I was deeply miserable and always knew that there was something missing. The fact is that we make terrible, terrible gods. There is one true God, the God of the Bible, and he truly saves. I was reminded of this verse When Jesus is When Jesus is speaking to his disciples And he asks Simon Peter Well he actually asks all of them He says, who do you say that I am?

Starting point is 00:49:19 Simon Peter replied, you are the Christ the son of the living God. And Jesus answered him, Blessed are you Simon Barjona. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father who is in heaven. So it wasn't some man-made construction that revealed to Peter that Jesus was

Starting point is 00:49:40 not only just a Christ consciousness, not just an example, but the son of the living God, that he is the Messiah, that he is the one who came to save us. It wasn't some man-made tradition or empire that told him that. In fact, it was the Roman empire saying, no, there is no king but Caesar. And you will not buck against our system. It was the religious, zealous Jews of the time that didn't like Jesus's authority and didn't like them

Starting point is 00:50:15 questioning their own, the Pharisees' interpretation, wrong interpretation of scripture. It was the Holy Spirit. It was our Father in Heaven who revealed to Peter that Christ is who he says he is, that he is the son of the living God. The Bible, which is reliable, which is true, which has been compiled by people who have been led by the Holy Spirit. I mean, they've been so, if you go to the museum of the Bible, you will see how people throughout history for thousands of years have been so dedicated, so scrupulous for no other reason

Starting point is 00:50:56 except for that they loved God's word to interpret God's word, to handle God's word correctly, to ensure that the biblical canon is correct. It is incredible, the survival and the persistence of the 66 books of the Bible. Like it is absolutely amazing. There is no other explanation for it when you go through the Museum of the Bible except for God. He's totally sovereign and he's totally powerful. So the biblical view of Jesus, we read in John 1, in the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word was with God. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Flesh, okay? Not just an idea. And we have seen his glory. Glory as the only son from the father, full of grace and truth. 1 Corinthians 15 3 through 4, for I delivered to you as a first

Starting point is 00:51:44 importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scripture. that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. 1 Timothy 2.5, for there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ, Jesus. The biblical view is that salvation comes through Jesus alone. Ephesians 2 8 through 9, for by grace you have been saved through faith, this is not your own doing. It is a gift of God, not a result of works so that no one may boast. Galatians 216, yet we know that a person, is not justified by works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed

Starting point is 00:52:25 in Christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith in Christ, not works of the law. She believes, Rose believes, that salvation is self-realization, that it's awakening to the Christed light, and let me tell you, this is a burden that is heavy. This is a yoke that is difficult. Jesus says, my burden is light. My yoke is easy. But the, burden of the God of self is heavy. The burden, the yoke of the God of self is extremely difficult. Because in this worldview, while it seems liberating, it is placing on you a responsibility that you can't bear. To be your own light. To be your own satisfaction. To be your own fulfillment. To be your own liberation. You cannot be those things. You're not enough. And that's not only okay.

Starting point is 00:53:20 But that is really good news. That God made you insufficient. He made you fallible. He made you to need him for strength, for wisdom, for salvation, for sanctification. That is the truth about who you are and who Christ is. And that is much better news than this. Because if it is up to you to go down this cosmic root to find some kind of elevated self, transcendent idea of who you are, then oh my goodness. How stressful is that?

Starting point is 00:53:53 Like how big of an obligation is that? But instead you get to deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Christ who promises to finish the good work in you that he initiated by grace through faith. Like that is the gospel, that salvation does not exist inside of ourselves. That salvation is not a path of self-discovery. That salvation is not about walking up the mountain. See, what she is proposing is what every false religion for all of time and still today has proposed. That here's what you have to do.

Starting point is 00:54:27 Here's how you climb up the mountain to be good enough. Here's where you go and what you have to accomplish and what you have to check off your list to finally be satisfied or to finally reach salvation, to finally reach God. But Christianity is the opposite. Christianity says there's nothing you can do. And so Christ, God is going to come down the mountain and save you. Even when you were dead in your trespasses, Christ made you alive by grace through faith. That's Ephesians too. There's nothing you can do to save yourself. And there is nothing more truly liberating than that. The grace that we find in Christ, rather than the legalism that is masquerading as liberation that we find in this kind of cult-like mentality.

Starting point is 00:55:18 So I just want you to be able to see this for what it is. It is a cult-like mentality. It is a false teaching and it will lead to hell. And you need to pray for every single person that is susceptible to this that is believing this, but especially those who are teaching this, this is serious stuff. Serious stuff. All right. Let me tell you about our last sponsor for the day.

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Starting point is 00:57:10 When I can say to you, you don't have to listen to me, I don't have anything special to offer to you. I am not the medium or the mentor that you need. In fact, no one is. I want you to learn the truth for yourself and I am completely unafraid of you reading the entirety of the Bible and asking any question you want to and praying to God. and knowing his word, I'm not afraid of any of that. I want you to know church history. I want you to know what the reformers said. I want you to know what the Bible says. Truth is like a lion. It doesn't need to be defended. It just needs to be unleashed. And so when you talk about, oh, gatekeepers of religion, really, these new age cults have a lot of gatekeepers because they are telling you that they have channeled a very special frequency and it's up to them. to tell you about it and to help you channel that frequency too. Yeah, that's, that's gatekeeping. And again, it is, it is legalism that is masquerading as liberation, as all false teachings and

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