Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1195 | Phil Robertson’s Legacy, Demi Lovato Goes Normal & Hawaii Thoughts

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Starting point is 00:01:23 Also, we will be honoring Phil Robertson, who died on Sunday. and remembering his legacy of evangelism. And to start the show, I've got some thoughts about my husbands and my trip to Hawaii. This episode is brought to you by Kexie Cookies. That is K-E-K-S-I. They are incredible cookies and they are shipped right to your front door. Go to kexie.com. Use code Alley 15 for 15% off.

Starting point is 00:01:55 That's kexie.com code Alley 15. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. I hope that you are able to have a good long weekend. We have a long weekend because we are honoring those who have paid their lives, who have sacrificed to the utmost so we could have freedom and security. And so thank you seems inadequate when it comes to that kind of sacrifice and we can simply try to honor them, with how we live our lives and not take that freedom and security for granted. And so I hope that you were able to take some time yesterday to reflect on that and honor those who have given their lives for our country that reminded me, you know, some people were

Starting point is 00:02:52 mad yesterday about Trump because he posted on Truth Social, happy Memorial Day. And we don't say happy Memorial Day typically because it's not a happy day. You were reflecting on those who have died for our country. but some of the same people who were calling him out for that who were saying oh my goodness he shouldn't have said happy memorial day Bree do you remember last year Kamala Harris's post wasn't it a picture of her it was a picture of her we'll pull it up if we can find it it was literally just a picture of her

Starting point is 00:03:24 looking off to the side and it said enjoy the long weekend yeah yeah okay so at least president Trump acknowledged that it was Memorial Day and didn't as far as I know know, post a picture of his own self, a selfie of himself. Which he would do. So I don't know that he would. I don't think that he would. I think that he would have. Not for Memorial Day. Not for Memorial Day. Yes. In general, he might do an AI depiction of himself fighting in World War II for all we know. But yesterday, he did not choose to do that versus Kamala Harris, who posted a picture of her profile and said, enjoy the long weekend. And so once again, every day is celebrate November 2020,

Starting point is 00:04:11 day where we thank the Lord that we do not have Kamala Harris as president. All right. So CR and I, you might have seen it on Instagram. Last week we were in Hawaii celebrating our 10th year of marriage. And it's not our 10 year anniversary yet. It's not until September. But this was the time of year that we were able to go. Chief Related Bro surprised me with this trip for Christmas.

Starting point is 00:04:38 There was like a lay in my stocking. And so we have been counting down the days to this trip since Christmas. We've been so excited about it. It was just us too. We had the most wonderful time. It was relaxing, but we really missed our babies. And we were so excited to get back. But it was wonderful quality time.

Starting point is 00:04:59 And I've got some thoughts about Hawaii and about some. and about some of the things that we saw there, and I've got some political thoughts and some theological thoughts about it, and I'll share those in just a second. But before we get into all of those different things, I just want to remind you about Share the Arrow's 2025, brought to you by our friends at every life. It is going to be here before we know it, which kind of freaks me out because there's a lot to prepare for and plan for you guys. There are going to be so many thousands of you there and I want it to be the best conference, the best event that you have ever been to. And hopefully by the grace of God, it will be.

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Starting point is 00:07:27 All right. Some thoughts that I had on our trip that I have a notes app full of all of my random thoughts. And so I wrote some notes. I'll try to make sense of my stream of consciousness as I tell them to you. Okay. Number one, when we were there, we were heartened by how many young couples brought their kids of all ages.

Starting point is 00:07:50 And that is, depending on where you live in the mainland, like that is, quite the flight. And we saw so many families bring their little babies, their toddlers, their older kids, which for us, it was just a just us trip. We travel with our kids all the time. But we were just so heartened by how many families decided to make that probably kind of difficult track to give their children that experience and enjoy those memories with their children. And something I thought about. Every time we saw parents, especially obviously, new parents of young babies or every time we saw parents wrangling their toddlers, we just felt so much compassion for them and so much understanding. And that is something very remarkable

Starting point is 00:08:37 that happens when you become a parent. You see in other children, in every child that you see, you see a little bit of your own child. And your compassion for them and your care for them like is very profound in that moment. Like when you hear a baby crying on the plane rather than thinking, oh my gosh, I just need to put on my noise canceling headphones or I'm so annoyed. I can't believe they would be traveling with their rambunctious child. You think, oh, I've been there.

Starting point is 00:09:07 Or, oh, that poor baby. And you have the instinct and the inclination to go help those parents or to go help that child. And it made me think about another reason in addition to the many others. it's so important for people to have kids and how important it is collectively for society to be made up of mostly parents. That's not to say people without children can't have compassion or can't be loving or understanding or kind or any of those things. And there are plenty of parents who lack all of those qualities. But as a whole in general, one of the challenges or one of the detriments to the birth, dearth, the fertility crisis.

Starting point is 00:09:49 crisis that we are experiencing in America is that you have so many adults walking around that have no idea what it is like to care for a child. No idea what it is like to have that deep, profound, self-sacrificial love that you so deeply and instinctively feel for your children and that you share to some degree with other children that you see. That really matters when it comes to the decisions that adults make that impact the rest of society. I think it's important for leaders of all stripes, whether they're leading a business or especially if you're leading politically and you are deciding on policy that is going to affect not only society right now, but future generations.

Starting point is 00:10:34 It is really important for most adults, at least, to have a personal stake in the future, to really care what happens after you die, not just because of some. some altruistic inclination, but because you will have children that you love and grandchildren that you love taking part in that future, I think it's really important for decision makers in our society to be able to have that personal stake and to be able to have that kind of capacity for compassion for children and for future generations. And yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be a detriment that we see taking root and manifesting itself very soon. And I think we already see that in a lot of ways. But it is so important, not just on an individual and personal

Starting point is 00:11:26 level, but again, I think societally and generally just as a whole for people to have children because of the character traits that it both initiates and accelerates in people. Okay. So that's one thought that I had. thought that I had is about the state of Hawaii, which is arguably the most beautiful state in our union. Now, I love California. There's a lot of things I don't love about California, but my husband and I love California. We think it's so beautiful, not just the beaches, but we love the mountains. We love the diversity of topography that you have in California. It's just a gorgeous state that is very mismanaged. And Hawaii is very similar. In that, you have a state that is so

Starting point is 00:12:21 beautiful and is so incredibly because of progressive ideology and the one-party system that pretty much dominates Hawaii, you have a very mismanaged beautiful state. And if you go outside of the very touristy areas, if you go outside of the resorts, you see. You see. this mismanagement. You see that much of Hawaii is actually being neglected. Despite how beautiful it is, those who say that they care so much about the environment in places like Washington or Oregon or California or Colorado or Hawaii, some of these beautiful states, things are very dilapidated. Things are very dirty. These places actually aren't being cared for in a sense. And because of that, not only is nature itself suffering, but the people who are taking part in nature

Starting point is 00:13:18 or suffering. And this made me think about part of the creation order that progressivism distorts and denies. We talk a lot about Genesis 127 and how progressivism, because of its hatred for God, it denies that people are made in the image of God from the moment of conception, which we read in Genesis 127 that we're made in God's image. get an answer about the value of human life. And we read in Genesis 1-27 that God made us in his image male and female. We see the definition of gender, the definition of the value of life, and the definition of marriage right there in that one verse in the first chapter of the Bible.

Starting point is 00:13:55 And progressivism denies all of that. But another part of the creation order, the creation mandate that progressivism denies is that we are to work the ground and to keep it. That was one of the first, the first order of business, really, that was given to Adam when he was placed in a garden. This is pre-fall. He was to work the ground and to keep it. So work is not a product of sin. It is not a necessary evil. It is actually a necessary good that Adam was commanded to do before sin entered the world. And Adam and Eve were placed, as we've said many times, in a garden, not in a jungle. A garden is orderly and it needs cultivation. A jungle runs amok. And you see this distortion in progressive policy, specifically in environmental policy, that nature in the name of preservation is actually neglected.

Starting point is 00:14:47 And human needs in the name of preserving nature are also neglected. We see this, for example, that California doesn't allow much needed irrigation of many crops in middle California to protect this tiny fish called the Delta Smelt, which is basically instinct anyway, by the way. And then we also see them, for example, they won't clear brush in many of the forest to try to preserve nature. And that just accelerates the fires which end up hurting nature. And again, also end up hurting the people in California. And we see very similar policies in the state of Hawaii. And that is because they distort or ignore this creation order that human beings are actually meant to subdue the earth, not the other way around. It is not that human beings are to submit to all of the forces of nature.

Starting point is 00:15:40 We are meant to subdue the earth as a creation mandate because we are made in God's image. But if you fast forward to Romans 1 and you see that when you worship the creature rather than the creator who is blessed forever, amen, you end up distorting everything. Everything ends up being backwards, not just when it comes to gender, not just when it comes to sex. sexuality, not just when it comes to other forms of morality, as we see all in Romans 1, but also you start to elevate nature above the God who created it. And when you do that, everything just gets out of whack. You start allowing environmental policy to run the show to the detriment of the people who are actually supposed to be subduing and cultivating the earth and and nature and when you let what is supposed to be a garden turn into a jungle, then people suffer.

Starting point is 00:16:41 And actually, nature suffers as well. And so that was another thought about the theological errors of progressivism, which then leads to really bad policy. Okay. Last thought. Most serious thought. There are butts everywhere. Okay. when you go to the beach, you cannot walk two feet without seeing someone's full butt out.

Starting point is 00:17:11 Okay. Now, I am not, I promise, I am not like the modesty police. I do not think a woman's body is something to be shamed. I don't think that someone needs to cover themselves in burqa. okay i don't think the shape of a woman's body is something that has to be hidden at all costs and so i think to a degree i've done an episode on this you can go back and listen to all my specifications on it to a degree modesty is subjective but i think we can draw the line at butts right like i think we can just say maybe you shouldn't wear a thong to the beach i want to create

Starting point is 00:17:53 i want a shirt or a sweatshirt that says i don't consent to seeing your butt and i'm going to wear it to the gym and I'm going to wear it to the beach. And I just, I wish that we as a society could just draw the lines somewhere. But we've basically said, no lines. All shame is bad. All rules are bad. All expectations of decency are bad and stigmatizing and marginalizing. And therefore, we should just be rid of them. Stigma and shame are. important to the preservation of any society, okay? To a degree, and we can decide on what needs to be stigmatized and what needs to be shamed. If you don't have those two things, you actually end up living in a nanny tyrannical state because instead of people being guided by societal norms and

Starting point is 00:18:52 stigma and shame, like their own personal structures for morality, you have to have the government come in and mandate everything. Actually, stigma and shame were hard fought by our ancestors. They stigmatized and shamed things that were bad for society and bad for you, like premarital sex that would then lead to babies outside of wedlock, which is really bad for women and children. They fought to stigmatize and shame those things for the betterment of future generations. And now we're basically saying none of those things matter. Throw caution to the wind. Again, to our detriment. Okay. So those are all of my thoughts. I saved them all for you, collected them in my notes app to deliver them on relatable. That's the benefit to having a podcast. All of your

Starting point is 00:19:38 errant thoughts, you can just deliver them and hope that someone cares about them. All right, let's get into more serious stuff that we are talking about today. Let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor. It's Good Ranchers. Y'all, we missed our Good Ranchers while we were in Hawaii. We had amazing fresh fish there. It was awesome. But we rely on our good ranchers every night in this ducky home. And I'm so glad that we get to do that because we've got a freezer full of all American meat. And I never have to wonder what is going to be my protein for dinner. I've always got better than organic chicken. I've got my favorite, the Wagyu Ground Beef. I've got all different kinds of seafood. And everything is from American farms and ranches.

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Starting point is 00:21:10 Okay, I went kind of a long time without doing an ad, so I might have to put some of these ads together. Some of y'all like to complain when I do that. So I'm just giving you a heads up. All right. I want to talk about Phil Robertson. Phil Robertson, gosh, just one of my favorite people in public life. He very sadly died at the age of 79. Just yesterday. I got the text and I believe that he passed away yesterday morning. And I say it's very sad, but it's really not sad for Phil Robertson. If you know anything about him, the patriarch of the Duck Dynasty family, you know.

Starting point is 00:21:52 that he wanted nothing more than to know Jesus and to make Jesus known. And he lived the entirety of his Christian life after becoming a Christian as an adult, sharing the gospel with others. And he did that on my show. He did that in every episode of his podcast that he hosted with Jace and Al. He did that through The Duck Dynasty show. And so I just want to talk a little bit about his life and honor him and also hope that sharing this bit about his life inspires you to live like him and to share the gospel as earnestly and as urgently as he did. So he died after battling.

Starting point is 00:22:41 So it was actually on Sunday. I think I said he died yesterday. But he died on Sunday after battling Alzheimer's disease, other health conditions. We did an episode just a few weeks. weeks ago with Jason Al, two of his sons, who really just talked about his legacy, also talked about his diagnoses. I really encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode. Jason and Al are just incredible. They're so easy to listen to. I just got to sit back and listen to them, talk about their dad that they love so much. It was really, really encouraging. Go back,

Starting point is 00:23:16 watch that episode. His daughter-in-law, Corey Robertson, that's Willie's wife. announced his death on Instagram, said, we celebrate today that our father, husband, and grandfather, Phil Robertson is now with the Lord. He reminded us often of the words of Paul. You do not grieve like those who have no hope, for we believe that Jesus died and rose again. And so we believe that God will bring with Jesus

Starting point is 00:23:41 those who have fallen asleep in him. In fact, I saw that Sadie Robertson, his granddaughter, Sadie Robertson-Huff, posted a video of him saying this paraphrasing saying, when I die, don't cry. And I'm sure that there will be lots of tears for his earthly passing from his family because of course, you miss him. You miss his presence. You miss his wisdom. This is someone that you've known, obviously his kids, their whole lives. But as grandkids, you miss that presence in your life. I still think about my grandmother who died over five years ago.

Starting point is 00:24:20 now. It'll be six years ago this fall. I think about her almost every day. When I was traveling to Hawaii, I thought about how much she loved to travel and what she would think about all of our adventures. And so you don't stop thinking about them. You don't stop missing their presence, even though you know that they are so much more satisfied than we could ever comprehend here on earth. And so be praying for his family as they are going through this mourning process. But the point is, is that as Christians, we don't mourn as those who don't have hope. We don't mourn as those who believe that their loved ones are lost forever. At the same time, we also don't believe, as many in the world do, that our loved ones become angels or that heaven gained another

Starting point is 00:25:13 angel, no, we don't believe that. In fact, the Bible says that angels long to see what we get to see. They don't even know all of the things that we know. They know different things than we do. And there's a special plan for human beings, and that is redemption through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. And Phil Robertson was such an example of that redemption that people can give or that people can receive from Jesus. He founded the Duck Commander Hunting Company in 1972. That, of course, became the foundation for the family's television fame. I don't know if you guys grew up watching Duck Dynasty. I loved Duck Dynasty because it was a reality TV show that was actually wholesome.

Starting point is 00:26:02 All of the other reality TV shows that you would watch on E were all about, you know, sex, scandal, getting drunk, gossip, all different kinds. of stupid drama and this was different because this was a family who was praying at the end of every episode and they were funny and it was lighthearted and so it gave you that that most people are looking for when they're watching reality TV but there was something really profound there there was true familial ties they actually loved each other you saw marriages that were strong most marriages that are depicted on TV especially reality TV the wife is making the husband look stupid and you've got a bunch of weak cowardly husbands and dads or absent dads. You didn't see that here. And they were unashamed of their faith. He got in some hot water. Phil Robertson did. In December 2013, there was a national firestorm after he made comments condemning homosexuality. There was a GQ magazine interview. Also, if you know anything about Phil Robertson. He never, from at least last time I talked to him,

Starting point is 00:27:18 had never logged on to the internet, ever. I'm not just talking about social media. He had never logged on to the internet. And so when he did this interview with GQ and then he got all of this backlash, I'm sure he had no idea really like what people were saying or how it was circulating online or at least he didn't know from reading it himself. So he said, in the interview, he said this, discussing his biblical view on the progression of sexual sin. He said, you start with homosexual behavior and it just morphs out from there, bestiality sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. They'll explain that he didn't understand why a woman wouldn't be more desirable to a man than

Starting point is 00:28:02 another man. He said, she's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes, you know what I'm saying? But hey, sin, it's not logical, my man. It's just not logical. It's just such Phil Robert language and obviously he's exactly right. So he said this in the interview, GQ printed it, people got upset, the network, and he suspended Phil Robertson indefinitely on December 18th, 2013, stating that his remarks didn't reflect company values. They said, we are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson's comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A&E networks who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. My goodness,

Starting point is 00:28:51 that was 12 years ago and that silliness was already happening. The entire Robertson family stood behind Phil, issuing a statement suggesting they wouldn't continue filming without him, prioritizing faith and family over their television careers. Robertson, Phil Robertson, refused to retract or apologize for his biblical worldview, maintaining his Christian evictions despite his professional consequences. I don't know this for sure, but I guarantee there were executives from A&E. There were probably publicists, all different kinds of people in that world, telling him, hey, just apologize. If you want to believe that personally, that's fine, but just say you're sorry, make a donation, we'll cover it up, and he refused to do that,

Starting point is 00:29:31 which is absolutely no surprise to me. But he said, this is what he said in his state. And this is just, it just is so Phil Robertson, I myself am a product of the 60s. I centered my life around sex, drugs, and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches. And part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never want to treat anyone with disrespect just because they're different

Starting point is 00:30:01 for me. We are created by the Almighty and like him. I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other. Okay. So that was a great statement. He shared the gospel instead of apologizing. All Christians would do well to follow that example.

Starting point is 00:30:19 A&E lifted the suspension, resumed filming with the entire Robertson family. Of course, because the show was extremely successful. And money talks, not to the Robertson family. Money talks to A&E. And they saw, okay, this is really successful. and if they are not willing to film without Phil Robertson, well, then we're going to lose a lot of money. And I'm sure I'm just assuming that that's probably the thinking on A&E's part.

Starting point is 00:30:47 And so good for Phil Robertson for Standing Strong. He also shared the gospel with Trump. And I love the story of him sharing the gospel with Trump. And so I'll share that in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our next sponsor. It's WeHeart Nutrition. I love WeHeart Nutrition. I use all of their supplements every day, their magnesium, their iron supplement, which has been

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Starting point is 00:32:28 So you've probably heard Phil on my show talk about sharing the gospel with Trump. But if you go back and you watch that episode with Jason Al that we did a few weeks ago, a few months ago, you'll hear them tell the story. I just re-shared that clip on my Instagram page and on X as well. And it's just really, really sweet. He shared with Chrisma Magazine about this. He's talking about meeting Donald Trump in 2016. He wrote a written diagram of the gospel. He said, I get back in there.

Starting point is 00:33:13 There's Trump and his little entourage. Robertson said, I knew I didn't have but 15 minutes. So whatever I did, I had to make it quick. But rather than ask Trump for a favor or exchange pleasantries, this is according to Corrisman magazine, Robertson recalled thinking, I've got to get the gospel to him in a hurry. So here he is talking about that on my show, episode 592.

Starting point is 00:33:37 I said, there's a cross after that, Trump. I said, there's a cross. Jesus died on the cross. I said, for the sins of the world, I said, you do have sins, don't you? What did he say? And he said, a lot of them. I said, me too. So I told him, I said, I have a lot, too.

Starting point is 00:33:55 I said, they put him in a tomb. I said, Trump, whatever happens, I said, with the same age. We're identical age. I said, we don't have that long. We're in our 70s. I said, Trump, we're going to die. And you're going to go six feet under and so am I. Right?

Starting point is 00:34:13 He said, no doubt about it. I said, he was resurrected from the dead. I said, you can live beyond the grave. I said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened for the human race. You can go watch all of episode 592, where he explains that entire story, just like really sweet. That was the second time he was on my show. Episode 95. So within the first 100 episodes, I think I was pregnant for the first time during this

Starting point is 00:34:45 conversation. And he was just so sweet, so down to earth the first time I met him. Here he is talking about what the gospel brings. It's not one. Life, peace of mind, no guilt, sins are removed. man, peace of mind on planet Earth. And you know you're going to be raised from the dead. That's not the end of you you'll live on. God says it's impossible for me to lie. And since there's no bigger one to swear by than me, I'm going to swear by myself.

Starting point is 00:35:18 I will deliver you from your sin and I will give you eternal life. It's impossible for me to lie. I'm telling you, I'm going to do that. And he said, keep that. that as an anchor for your soul because you have hope. Hope is an anchor for our soul. So I'm looking at the world. I love them. Even the ones that curse me and all that, I don't hold it against them. Not at all. Oh, so good. I also remember, I've heard this story a couple times, but I was like very pregnant. There, you couldn't see me in that clip, but I think I was like eight months

Starting point is 00:35:54 pregnant or something. And he didn't say anything about it. And at that point, you're very to people pointing out that you are pregnant. He didn't say anything. And the next time I talked to him, he said something about it. He was like, I didn't want to say anything. And he talked about a time that he went up to a family member. He had a bunch of family members over. And he went up to one of the female family members and said, well, I didn't know you were expecting. And she wasn't expecting. And so he never asks. He never asked again if someone is pregnant because he made the mistake one time. I mean, he had the comedic timing of any amazing comedian and just the earnest heart of an evangelist. And I know that he will be missed so much by his friends and by his family.

Starting point is 00:36:52 But I just rejoice knowing that he is exactly where he wants to be. All right. We've got a couple other stories that we're going to get into. We'll make it into like one story to close out the podcast, some pop culture stuff, some good news in pop culture, which isn't always the case. Let me go ahead. I know we just did an ad, but let me go ahead and pause and do our next ad so we can make sure that we get in all of our amazing sponsors.

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Starting point is 00:39:10 I love the lore of Pute. I know everything about Pute. You do? Oh, yes. But it's not to clarify. It's not really an alter ego. There's just an edited photo. But we got to put it up because it's so good.

Starting point is 00:39:21 People just made it up, right? Yeah. Was this after she started calling herself non-binary and stuff? I think this was an old photo. don't think it has anything to do with that. Okay. I don't know anything about the lore of Pute. I'm surprised you know about Poot. I just, I think it's stuck in my memory because it's so bizarre. Yeah. It's so weird. And people are probably wondering, well, what are you talking about? It's basically an old video or an old picture of her just looking completely different and like people joke that this is her

Starting point is 00:39:53 alter ego or evil twin. It's like a red carpet from a weird angle. Someone used like an iPhone on a red carpet when a flash is going off so it's really like distorted but also that put lavato photo actually is edited so it wasn't even put lavato with the whole name is really funny yeah okay so she decided a few years ago right tell me a little bit about her trajectory that she was going to be non-binary right she cut her hair she looked very different she had looked like more of just like a katie perry normal looking i don't know how you would describe that pop star. Yeah. And then she, both her and Katie Perry came out with lesbian songs. Yes. Cool for the summer. Yep. Was Demi, right? And I kissed a girl and I liked it a little bit more on the nose.

Starting point is 00:40:42 Yep. From Katie Perry. But then Demi Lovato just ended up embracing a non-binary identity, right? Yeah. And she has been, so she has struggled with a lot of things since her time. I'm on Disney. I think that Nickelodeon Disney messes up a lot of kids, but she went, she had a severe eating disorder. She had a drug addiction. So she was going through like a lot of that stuff and probably not getting proper treatment for it either.

Starting point is 00:41:15 And so I think that manifests, a lot of that manifested probably in this ultimately. This is just me speculating. Yeah. So, yeah. Like Amanda Binds, who really has not bounced back from everything that she went through. And we talked about that Nickelodeon documentary. And her upbringing was so disturbing. And she was victimized in a lot of ways.

Starting point is 00:41:36 It kind of makes sense how she's ended up. A lot of these child stars, as we've talked about. Yeah. And I think Demi Lovato also for a while was dating someone who was a lot older than her. So, yeah, I don't. Some issues. Yeah. There's probably a lot that went on.

Starting point is 00:41:49 But yeah, in 2021, she decided to come out as non-binary. Should we play that clip? Yeah. Okay. Here's Sot three. I want to take this moment to share something very personal with you. Over the past year and a half, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work. And through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary.

Starting point is 00:42:10 With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they, them. I feel that this best represents the fluidity I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering. I don't know even what it means. Because you're not, you're not neither. You're not both. You're not the other. You're just one.

Starting point is 00:42:38 Mm-hmm. Not they. It's, I think they is the most narcissistic choice that people can make because you are not only trying to bend reality and defy biology, but you are also bending the laws of grammar. Right. You, it's just, you only use they in a story for singular use when you do not. know if the person is male or female. Not when you know and you're denying it. No one looks at that picture. Just because you got bangs doesn't mean you look like a boy now. That's the thing I was about to say was really all it took was like a short haircut and her to wear like a baggy shirt. And she was like,

Starting point is 00:43:17 oh, yeah, no, I'm sometimes a guy. I feel it now. Oh my gosh. It's funny, but it's not funny. It's very sad. Okay. So a year later, according to Rolling Stone, she shared that she was also using she her pronouns, saying that she was feeling more feminine. Okay, she elaborated in an interview with GQ hype Spain. What is GQ hype Spain? I don't know. Published in June 2023 that in reality using both she her and they, them pronouns, just meant she didn't have to constantly explain herself to people.

Starting point is 00:43:53 I constantly had to educate people and why I identified with those pronouns, they them. It was absolutely exhausting them. that is one of the reasons that have led me to also feel comfortable with the feminine pronoun. I just got tired. But for that very reason, I know that it is important to continue spreading the word. I mean, isn't that part, like, that's kind of what I mean in the narcissism of it. At least she got to the point to where she was like, I'm tired of forcing people to defy reality.

Starting point is 00:44:19 Yeah. Yeah. Well, it really, I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty evident why, you know. I got tired of of it all. So now I feel comfortable as a female again. Yeah. What? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:34 How can you feel comfortable as something that you're not? Right. You're not a female. You're a they, them. You're a non-binary. Yeah. Yeah. It just goes to show that it's a social thing.

Starting point is 00:44:48 It's not some inner soul knowledge. Demi Lovato seems to have gone through a time of soul searching after her matter. Okay. So we kind of already talked about that. little bit. Okay, so she had some other weird things going on at the same time, right? Yeah. She sang to a ghost to help it overcome trauma. Yeah. Demi Lovato ghost hunting phase. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is around the same time, right? Yeah. Okay. Let's just play the clip. Stop four. Are there star people here right now? There you go. You got your answer. Holy. Holy.

Starting point is 00:45:38 trauma. She does? Mm-hmm. Okay. How do you know? And that's why she doesn't like men. If I sing you a song, can my friends come back in the room? Do you have to make me feel like there's nothing left of me?

Starting point is 00:46:02 Okay. So the ghost, this is like the girl who was using those like water things the other day that was asking demons about transgender people. This is very similar to that. Okay, so the ghost has trauma. That's why she doesn't trust men. What does that tell you about yourself, Demi? Okay?

Starting point is 00:46:27 Truly. What does that tell you about yourself? All right. So that's just what she was going through at the time. It's good to look back and see clusters of events like that because it's like, okay, that's not a natural phenomenon that's happening in her life. That is something she's reacting to something. by doing all of this at the same time.

Starting point is 00:46:50 It's kind of like when we look at like the mid-1800s and you see a bunch of weird religion started at that time, yeah, it's probably not because they're all true. Like it's probably because something weird was happening and people were coming up with weird stuff. This was like the mid-1800s of Demi Lovato's life. Okay, so also after Donald Trump became president, she said, she posted if you are trans or non-binary like me.

Starting point is 00:47:16 Me, she said, okay, so she's still that way. Please know that I see you. I feel you. Yada yada yada. Okay. But here is our non-binary queen now. Look at full screen five. This is what she now looks like. I can't tell if she's a boy or girl. Can you? Not at all. No. Non-binary queen. Non-binary. Yeah. Oh yeah. Not queen. I don't know. Joker. Neutral royalty. Okay. If you were just listening to this, you don't know what we're talking about. Lovato looks absolutely gorgeous in her wedding photo. This is, I mean, she looks amazing. So she just got married to Jordan Lutz. I don't know anything about him. What is he? Is he songwriter or something? I don't know. We don't really know who he is. Okay. She just got married to him. She looks beautiful.

Starting point is 00:48:12 In a very traditional wedding dress. She looks like she's gotten very fit. This is what what the people would say what the they-thems would call heteronormative. She looks the heteronormative in this picture. And so the question is, is we are talking about this trajectory. Has Demi Lovato made it back to normal? Now, her Instagram account says she heard they-them still. I await the day that she removes the they-them. she said that she just loved this silhouette. She loved this design. Yes, because there is a reason that women are drawn to the feminine. She's drawn to the feminine.

Starting point is 00:48:57 She's drawn to the like, dare I say, normal. And I think this is a very good trajectory for her. Now, obviously, we want her to come to know the gospel and know Jesus Christ and no redemption and know the grace through faith salvation that she can find in Jesus Christ. Obviously, that's what we want for her. But we rejoice in someone's life looking more like God's order, looking more like Genesis 127, because something that the whole gender bending idea does, it doesn't just distort, or it doesn't just deny biology.

Starting point is 00:49:34 It also distorts beauty. And it makes very beautiful people. It tries to make them ugly. And all beauty is God's beauty. all truth is God's truth. So I think the fact that she seems to be veering towards the truth and veering towards true beauty is actually a really good indication. And we should continue to pray for her. But I've seen this kind of trajectory. It seems like among a lot of people. I mean, you see this kind of evolution on TikTok a lot, especially over the past few years. There is a shift,

Starting point is 00:50:08 I think, happening. And I do think it is less cool than ever to try to identify. is something that you are not. And so let's just hope that this is a trajectory that we see across the board. It would alleviate a lot of pain, save a lot of bodies, and stop a lot of heartbreak, soul-crushing heartbreak from happening if people would very simply acknowledge biological reality and align with beauty, which beauty and reality go hand in hand. All right. I got one more encouraging note to end on, and we'll get brief thoughts on this. But let me tell you about our last sponsor for the day. And that is Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile is America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. They are fighting for all of the things that we care about. Faith, family, freedom. They are the

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Starting point is 00:52:14 and Haley Bieber and Jennifer Lawrence have both made comments about motherhood recently that I find really encouraging and very true. Now, Haley Bieber, I see her all over the timeline right now people talking about her marriage with Justin Bieber. And we won't even get into all of that. I find a lot of it sad what he posted about her Vogue cover. Did you see that? It was strange, y'all. It was very strange. She made the cover of Vogue and Justin Bieber posted about it.

Starting point is 00:52:44 And his caption was like, one time I told her she'd never be on the cover of Vogue. That was really mean. Yikes. Yeah. Maybe just congrats. Yep. Would have been good. He changed the caption.

Starting point is 00:52:56 But now there's so much conversation about like what their marriage is like. I don't know what their marriage is like. But it does sound like she is really enjoying motherhood. She just had a baby a few months ago. And I loved hearing about that. So she was on the cover of Vogue, May 20th. And she talks about how motherhood really changed her body. And that's hard for any woman, but especially when your body is commercialized, the way that hers is, the way she makes money off of her body.

Starting point is 00:53:24 I imagine that that would be even more difficult for her. She says, my hips are wider. My body didn't go back to the way it was. And she says, great, I'll take it. But it's not the same body that it was before. She says that she's had to go through physical therapy to help heal after. she also says that she went through a life-threatening postpartum hemorrhage. After giving birth to her son, she almost died.

Starting point is 00:53:48 But she says she doesn't regret a thing. She definitely wants at least one more baby, maybe more. Gosh, the sacrifice of the body and of the mind that goes into just birthing the child, not even counting all the stuff that happens after the child, it's really something. You really start to give less of an F, she says, about. so many things. My son is my priority. He is the most important thing to me. It's so true how parenthood gives you such a needed perspective shift. She also describes motherhood as a transformative teacher. It's been my biggest teacher so far, the biggest teacher in my relationship.

Starting point is 00:54:27 Just like marriage, motherhood sanctifies you and it reveals things about your own sin and selfishness and just your own shortcomings that you didn't see before. But it also gives you the strength to address these things in a very unique way. She says, rather than straining her relationships, motherhood has deepened her partnerships and relationships. You see your partner so differently and I think you empathize with your parents a lot more. That is absolutely true. That's absolutely true.

Starting point is 00:54:55 And again, that's another reason why it's so important to have children so that you can gain a better perspective of what the older generations went through. And so it just gives you an understanding of all different kinds of generations actually, which is important. So good for her. We need more positive publicity about motherhood. Most of toxic mommy culture online is what I've been calling it for several years now. That is moms commodifying, complaining about their kids and talking about how burdensome motherhood is. That's not cool. It's not cute. It's not funny. And there's one, you know, you can be vulnerable. You can share the struggles that you're having. I think there's a way to do that

Starting point is 00:55:39 and to try to relate to other mothers without talking about your kids as if they're brats and burdens instead of what they are, which is a blessing. We've also got Jennifer Lawrence, another progressive. I would absolutely say that Haley Bieber is progressive. I know some people have said she identifies as a Christian, but she has publicly supported Planned Parenthood very recently. I don't know where she is in her walk, but by every indication that we see publicly, she is secular progressive. And so I hope that motherhood changes that. It has the tendencies. to do that for a lot of people. Jennifer Lawrence, definitely pro-abortion, progressive, and yet she said something really important recently about having kids. She has two kids, and here's what she had to say, top five. Having children changes everything. It changes your whole life. It's brutal and

Starting point is 00:56:28 incredible. I didn't know that I could feel so much. And my job has a lot to do with emotion and they've opened up the world to me. So they've, they've changed my life, obviously, for the best. And they've changed me creatively. I highly recommend having kids if you want to be an actor. I'm so glad that she recognizes that and that she feels that so deeply. It's so true. It opens up different chambers of your emotions and of your heart. And God absolutely, as we've talked about so many times, can use you and sanctify you and strengthen you no matter what stage of life you're in. But we can acknowledge that while also acknowledging this gift of children and parenting that not only are they a gift in and of themselves because they're little image bears of God, but they are gifts in what God can do through them in. us. And even if these women aren't, you know, where we want them to be spiritually, I think for all

Starting point is 00:57:41 three of them that we just discussed, they seem to be pointed in the right direction and we should be praying for them as well as we pray for everyone to know Christ. And let us also be motivated specifically by Phil Robertson's legacy and the urgency of sharing the gospel with everyone. Especially those in our lives think of someone who maybe just became a new mom. and is especially vulnerable to hearing the truth of who God is and who her true father is, maybe that's someone in your life that you should specifically be sharing the gospel with and praying for. All right, that's all we've got time for today. We will be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1195 | Phil Robertson’s Legacy, Demi Lovato Goes Normal & Hawaii Thoughts

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