Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1208 | House Inhabit on God, Karen Read & Why Vanity Fair Fears Her | Jessica Reed Kraus

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

Today, we sit down with journalist Jessica Reed Kraus of House Inhabit to discuss her journey from mom blogger to influential media figure. We explore her in-depth coverage of high-profile stories like the Britney Spears conservatorship and the RFK Jr. presidential campaign, delving into the challenges of reporting truth while navigating personal relationships. Jessica shares her insights on the evolving media landscape, the emotional toll of tackling dark stories, and the impact of online criticism. She also opens up about her spiritual journey, reflecting on her growing curiosity about faith and the Bible, and how she aims to inspire her audience through her work. Share the Arrows 2025 is on October 11 in Dallas, Texas! Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for tickets now! Sponsored by: ⁠Carly Jean Los Angeles⁠: ⁠⁠https://www.carlyjeanlosangeles.com⁠⁠ Good Ranchers⁠: ⁠⁠https://www.goodranchers.com⁠⁠ ⁠EveryLife⁠: ⁠⁠https://www.everylife.com⁠⁠ Buy Allie's new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://a.co/d/4COtBxy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Timecodes: (00:59) Creation of House Inhabit (02:00) Britney Spears / #MeToo (08:22) Abortion (12:55) Reading the Bible (16:00) Following the presidential campaign (22:12) MAHA disagreements (26:44) Elon Musk (31:00) Candace Owens feud (36:10) Meghan Markle & the royal family (42:35) Karen Read trial (46:12) Vanity Fair profile (48:36) Covering dark stories --- Today's Sponsors: Seven Weeks Coffee — Experience the best coffee while supporting the pro-life movement with Seven Weeks Coffee; use code ALLIE at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to save up to 25% off your first order, plus your free gift! Good Ranchers — Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and subscribe to any of their boxes (but preferably the Allie Beth Stuckey Box) to get free Waygu burgers, hot dogs, bacon, or chicken wings in every box for life. Plus, you’ll get $40 off when you use code ALLIE at checkout. EveryLife — The only premium baby brand that is unapologetically pro-life. Visit ⁠everylife.com⁠ and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% off your first order. --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://alliebethstuckey.com/book⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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I'm happy to be here. Okay, House and Habit. Tell us how you came up with that name. It just goes back to the early days of blogging. I had a family blog. I used to write about life raising, you know, four young boys. And I was a stay-at-home mom. So it made sense in the sense that I was locked in routine and habit of like, you know, suburban domestic chores and regular life routine.

And now it's still just works somehow. Well, I also feel like it's bad luck to change names. So I just, I'm like, it's worked through all these different phases. And so now it actually does, I think the interpretation is like it still works in different forms, right? I think so too. And you just can't change it because everyone knows you by house and habit. Yeah, it felt wrong. It took me a long time to decide on it. And then once I had it, I was just like, you know, there was no calculation behind it. Me going from like a mom blogger to media. What was the breakthrough for you from mom blogger to media?

Oh gosh. I think probably the most obvious would be the Britney Spears story. I kind of jumped from lifestyle, you know, daily lifestyle updates to tracking really sort of obsessively the Britney Spears trial. Or not, it was before the trial. It was her, you know, when we were trying to figure out what was going on with the conservatorship. Yeah. And the free Britney movement. Mm-hmm. What do you think is going on with her? Well, I think now it's a lot more complicated. And I think it's, the reason I kind of pull away from the story was because it was so dark and sad, you know? It's like, I think in the beginning, we all thought we were fighting for her freedom, and it was as simple as that. And I think now it is a very

uncomfortable situation, because nobody really knows how to deal or talk about it. And so she's just kind of perpetually spinning and dancing in these videos. And it just seems like she's sort of a shell of, you know, the pop star that we knew. So I just feel like, it's such a sad story. Do you think that she needed that conservatorship in hindsight? I mean, I don't want to make the call because, again, I don't feel like I've learned. One thing I've learned is we don't always know the full story behind some of these really big cases. And I did spend time with Lynn Spears. And so I got to know a little bit about, you know, where she was coming from and her side of the story. And it made me look at things differently based

on that, too. So I don't, I can't say for sure. you know, what should or shouldn't be. I just think there's a lot that's been misinterpreted and communicated. Yeah. And you also talked about Me Too, and you had a different perspective on Me Too. And what made you interested in writing about that movement? Well, I think the most obvious is that I have four boys. And so I am someone who always seeks all sides of the truth, whether, you know, it's regarding a topic or an individual. So with me too, I just, I really had an issue with like the believe woman slogan. And I thought there was a lot of hypocrisy in the entire movement, you know, with Hollywood kind of rushing behind it when they were, you know, really a part of this whole, like, environment.

And so I just thought there was a lot to examine. And I was just asking people, like, is this, is this smart? Like, do we want to believe any gender in a court case? Like, don't we go with the facts? you know, what is presented in that setting. Is there anything you found out when you were writing about that that surprised you? You mean, like... Just about some of the people behind me too and times up and I don't know who they worked

with. It seems to me like there was probably a lot of hypocrisy, like people who worked with Weinstein or all of a sudden saying, oh, yes, I've always stood up against this. And it's like, have you? No, that was, I think that was the part of, that was the biggest issue. is it really forced me to challenge my own beliefs about what I believed as far as the industry and the accusations. It's like, you know, I covered Weinstein's first trial.

And to me, it was, there was no one you were rooting for. Like, usually in a trial, there's someone you feel has been, you know, wronged and you want justice. And this, it was like he was doing these things, but also the industry was enabling him. And a lot of these actresses just understood that that was the way. it worked. And so it was hard because there was a lot of continued communication, you know, after these assaults. And in the case of like Jennifer Newsom, she was still emailing him asking for campaign donations for her husband. So it was, you know, it's very, it gets really sort of layered and, you know, it requires people to have smart discussions about it. And it's

hard to do online, as you probably know. It's sometimes hard to get everyone to agree to be respectful and just discuss these things in a uncomfortable. What gave you the gumption to start talking about things like that? Because you could have stayed as the mom blogger, which is less controversial, probably feel less criticism, but you decided to wade into subjects that you knew would probably get you some heat and some blowback. And a lot of people make that calculation and say it's not worth it. But you decided that it was worth it. So why was that? You know, I think I made a decision that if I was going to be on the internet, I always posted what inspired me and what I believed in. And for a long time, it was, you know, family. That's what I knew. That's the only thing that I

was focused on. And as my kids got older, I was able to have, you know, devote more time to my own interest, which is really pop culture. And these, these, these, you know, these, you know, trials and stuff. So to me, it's like I don't, I would rather not be online if I'm not going to write about and express what I see. You know, to me, I'm just interpreting the world through my lens. We're all doing it individually and you don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. But this is just me saying like, this is how I see this. What do you guys think? Quick pause to remind you to sign up for Share the arrows. Go to share the arrows.com. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers this year. October 11th, Dallas, Texas. It's going to be

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southern california would you say that you were raised progressive uh definitely definitely and do you still consider yourself progressive? No, because I think the definition of the word has changed. I mean, what is progressive now? Like, you know, I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah. I think we all have different margins. I think, you know, yeah, there probably are different definitions. There are a lot of people more progressive than me because I'm like as conservative as it gets. But I mean, most Democrats, I would say are conservative when it comes to pro, you know, LGBTQ and kids libraries, drag queen story hour, pro black lives matter, the belief that, you know, cops are systemically racist, all of that kind of thing. I would lump under progressive and

progressive social and economic policies believing in the nanny state and all of that kind of thing. I mean, in my head, I have an idea of what progressive is and it, I guess you're talking like political definition. And no, I don't align with most. everything you just mentioned, I don't really align with anymore. I'm still, you know, I still support pro-choice, even though I'm personally anti-abortion. And I did grow up under that. You know, my mom talked to us about that growing up, and we were always, I knew that it was not something I would do, but I don't hold any judgment against my friends who have made that choice. And so in certain ways, I still, I guess, there's a couple things that I kind of

you know, cling to, but overall, I mean, I'm categorized as, you know, right wing now. Now you are. Yeah, I am. I think every headline. Yes. Okay. So you're personally, like personally anti-abortion, but politically pro-choice. Can you kind of parse that out?

Wait, what was that? So you said that you're personally anti-abortion, but you're politically pro-choice. So what does that mean? Well, I just, I've always, so it's, you know, there's certain things that I'm happy to argue with people about. And abortion has never been one of them. Like I've been on the left and I've been on the right and I've never wanted to fight women over it.

I feel like we all can decide how we feel about it. For me, I knew that I would never be able to have an abortion. And I guess I grew up. It just wasn't an option. And so with each pregnancy, you know, I didn't do the test that you're supposed to do. It just wasn't something I could ever see myself doing. But I mean, so many my friends have had an abortion, and I just, nothing in me makes me want to judge them or hate them over it. I feel like it's an individual choice.

And I think if you believe in a higher power, it's ultimately up to, you know, that in the end, to judge. Yeah. My perspective is that, you know, if they're human beings, which I think that we can all scientifically agree that they are, then they deserve human rights. And it's not a right if it's not legally protected. And so why shouldn't they have the same legal right to be protected against murder that I have? And in the same way that I wouldn't say, well, it's between you and God, whether you want to murder your two-week-old. I also wouldn't say it's between you and God, you know, whether you can murder the baby inside your womb because the difference between the two week old and the

40 week old and the womb is just time and location. And those don't seem like two, you know, big enough justifications for legal murder. So that's kind of how I see it. But you're right. It is a tough. And, well, I don't think it's tough, like, to understand. But it is a hot topic for sure, both on the left and the right. I mean, that's why I like, I do watch you because I like the way you,

explain and defend yourself. And it's just, for me, it's not an issue that I, I don't feel, it doesn't make me hate women either way. I don't think, I wouldn't listen to you and think like, that's crazy. And I wouldn't, you know, I'd be open to listening to another side that, you know, yeah. It's just religion and abortion. I don't want to fight about. Yeah, you, okay, you didn't mention a higher power. And you have talked a little bit about, like, wanting to read your Bible and kind of thinking about that kind of stuff. So where are. are you on that journey? Well, that's been sort of one thing I kept kind of private. I don't feel like everything needs to be up for internet, you know, analysis and discussion. But I've just always

been curious and open to different ideas of religion. And I didn't grow up in any, you know, organized religion. But, you know, we were taught to believe in God. And so I think being on the campaign trail and being around a lot of, like, conservatives, Christian conservatives and things. I didn't like not knowing the references to some of these things, even from a literary standpoint. Like, everybody, I think, should read the Bible so that we understand how it's woven into, like, art and everything, right? Yeah. Our politics, history so much.

Yeah. So I think it's just, you know, there's a lot of parts to it where I do feel like I'm on a spiritual journey, and it's not really something I have to defend because I can, I know that it's, I can feel it. And I know that the more I lean into it, the more rewarding it is and the more fulfilling I am, I feel. So that's, that's really kind of what inspired it is I feel like I have to trust that there is, like, some sort of divine path that I'm. Yeah. You know, I hear from a lot of people who previously they didn't believe, or maybe they they were just agnostic.

They didn't know that it was actually seen evil in whatever context. For some people, it's Hollywood. For some people, it's politics. For some people, it's in their own life that kind of turns the light on and they're like, oh, if there's objective evil and darkness, then there must be objective goodness and light too. Like, would you say, especially seeing in the world of politics that that's been true for you? Oh, absolutely.

I think that's, you know, sort of an underlying theme now is like good and like, you know, good and evil and darkness and light and what you're giving your energy to. And so I did, you know, I came from a liberal background. I was around a liberal liberals my whole life. And it was really, even just mentioning God, it was a shunned topic. They just, you know, it was very, you just kind of instinctively know not to bring up God in religion. So when I was on the campaign trail with the Trump team and the Kennedy team, every event, God was a, you know, center, sort of topic and there was prayer and people talked very openly and comfortably about their faith. And I, you know, from someone who's not subscribed to anyone religion, I did like it.

I felt like it was a really cool thing to witness. Tell me a little bit more about the RFK campaign specifically. I thought it was so interesting just following you on Instagram. and watching your very fair coverage, like not being afraid to talk about his scandals or how the media was portraying him, but also like you were so deeply embedded. And it seemed like friends with a lot of people on the campaign.

And I always wondered, like, how does she deal with? The fact that she's reporting honestly, even sometimes critically, about their campaign, but also you have these like alliances and friendships with the people in the campaign. So just tell us what that was like. I mean, it was amazing. It's one of the most incredible experiences of my life.

I was able to just sort of chase this vision I had of what campaign coverage could look like, but I could only do that because of someone like Robert Kennedy trusting me to do that. So being able to have this transparency and kind of go on the road for a year, you do get close with, you know, campaign became sort of like family.

And I could see all the working parts behind how a campaign operates. Like there's so many people who care about these issues and the messaging and they all have different roles. And so I just loved learning about the internal workings. And I think he, because Bobby is such an open person and he doesn't shy away from any, you know, controversy. I mean, he's very used to that. So I think I just, you know, fed off of that. Like I, I thought we'll just go through it. We'll go through whatever scandal or whatever, you know, whatever is thrown at him because every day it was something. You know, it was like a dead bear

or that they found in the park or, you know, the brainworm. It was like some of them were absurd and some of them were a little more serious and complex. But I just loved showing that we could work through them and be open about, you know, these candidates. And I think it resonated a lot because people were able to see them from a more intimate angle. And you were covering the affair that happened, right, during the time, which was very, that was something that was shocking to me. And I'm sure that it was like, that was a difficult position for you to be in at the time. Yeah, I didn't see that one coming. So that was hard to. That was a journalist. I forgot her name. Olivia Newsie.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, that was a, yeah, that was a tough one because I was friends with her and, you know, I'm covering him. And, but the only way I could think that it made sense was just to be honest about it as we worked through it. Like I felt, you know, betrayed by her. I felt like maybe she was a liar and, you know, and I was angry at him. I was disappointed, not angry, but I was disappointed in him. I guess just disappointed in the whole situation because it's like we have this chance to prove so many of the things that I believe in and I want to see coming to, you know, power.

And he had the opportunity. So it was like a rough, you know, it was a rough patch and it was tricky. But, I mean, everyone got through it and I've still, you know, connected to all parties. I respect everyone involved. And I just, again, I think I'm able to compartmentalize sort of my friendship, or my, not friendships, but I guess, relationships. Yeah. And so there is an element of trust there where I'm not really out to get anyone.

It's just I have to report on things as honestly as possible. And I did my best with that. And what are you thinking about when you are weighing your relationships and like reporting the truth? Like, are you thinking about, okay, my legal. to the truth? Are you thinking about I'm indebted to my audience? Like, how are you kind of what values are you using to filter through what stories you're going to report on, even when it might have a personal element to you? Like I said, my commitment is always to the truth and what feels right and honest at the time. And so I didn't think, you know, I don't like to overthink things.

I like to go with intuition. And so just day by day, I just posted. like I would any story as it progressed and sort of, you know, I tried to figure out what's real and what's important. And at the end of the day, my audience did not care about, you know, a scandal like this. They didn't care. They wanted to go back to the issues that they stand behind, that he was amplifying. And so that was sort of reassuring, you know, like people didn't really want to get caught up And they really believed in him.

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Did you already know that before that came to light? You know, I found that out later. I kept hearing, you know, I always hear things. Like I have a lot of sources, so I hear whispers and rumors and things. But I hadn't really given it much energy. I just didn't really understand it. And again, I like both, both them. I like the mean sibling so much. And I love Nicole Shanahan. think she has really great ideas and I've liked watching her evolution from again like you know it's relatable she was super left and she's sort of in front of us like has um pivoted but um I think what I'm learning is politics there's a lot of egos and personal issues that can taint the over you know the common goal and I think with this I learned there was a lot of

You know, I think everyone maybe has an idea about where the health movement should go from here and who should be in charge of how it happens. And so, you know, it's always going to get a little messy with, like, these different perspectives and sort of grievances that maybe we don't know about. I think, I think, and I, you know, like, it was sort of rough in the campaign. there was some tensions between Bobby Kennedy and Nicole Shanahan that I don't know the details on, but I just think it's hard to know what the real story is, you know? So I always think it's unfortunate when there's in fighting.

It's like all of these people pretty much agree on the same fundamental. issues. And so it works better when collectively we're all supporting each other towards it, you know. I love Nicole. I think like her story and her vulnerability is just really compelling. And I think she's like a very genuine person that would only speak up if she sincerely felt concerned about something. And I don't know Casey personally, but when I had her on my show, this was before she blew up. Before she was like, I saw a. tweet thread by her and I was like that's an interesting tweet thread it had like 15 likes or something when I saw it and we had her on and after she got off the couch like my producer brey and I looked

to each other and we were like I think that is the best interview that we've ever done and I have like 1,500 episodes that I've done it for relatable really there was something about her like just how she explained things and I have talked to hundreds and hundreds of people that I was like I don't know I just knew that from then on it was going to be different for her, not because of my show, but just because of her. She's got a very captivating vision in way that she articulates it. So, like, I'm rooting for her success big time as Surgeon General. I mean, I don't know who else I would want in that position. Well, that's the thing, too.

I'm like, when have we ever really gone, like, I mean, gone this hard on anyone who's run? Like, do you even know? Who was the last Surgeon General? Do we know? I don't know about Biden. I don't. I know. But so I, I like both women and it, to me, I always look at these things as like a family issue. Like, I feel like we're, I mean, even all the way up to the top, the president, Elon,

all these like feuds and stuff. To me, I just look at it like one big family where you have, you know, you're going to have rough times and you just have to work through them the best and smartest way. And a lot of that is just being, you know, openly honest and communicating. Okay, we were talking about Elon. What do you think about Elon in general? Very complicated figure. Well, I love Elon because I can never decide what I think about him. And I talk about it all the time.

I changed my mind on him. Like even last night, we walked out front. I've been traveling for the past 10 days and there was the SpaceX launch, you know? Yes, I saw that. So beautiful, right? And our whole family was out watching it. And I'm like, oh gosh, now I love Elon again. Like it's such a space romantic.

Yeah. I think for me, some of these people, it doesn't even matter what I think about him. I think he's a great character in this timeline. And I'm excited to see, I even like when I'm mad at him. And I like when he's crazy. And, you know, he has unique opinions. And I think he's, obviously, he's like one of the most brilliant minds of our generation. And I think we should sort of appreciate that, even when we're annoyed.

And confused. And confused by you. Okay, I was very confused when he had conflict and beef with President Trump online. You know, he went from saying that he loves Trump as much as any heterosexual man can love another man. It's like two days before. That was like a few months ago or whatever. And then he said, you know, after he exited Doge, he was like, you know, Trump is, went to Epstein Islands. Bye.

Because they were mad about the big beautiful bill. Elon didn't want the big beautiful bill. And of course Trump did. And then Elon got back to, you know, praising him. And apparently they reconciled. I don't know. But I'm like, okay, so did you reconcile like with an actual pedophile? Or did you lie about him being an actual pedophile?

Because both are really bad. Or maybe I'm just not thinking about it, how Elon is thinking about it. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to say. I think that was a crazy, crazy 48-hour cycle. But then I think, too, like, Elon's the same as any of us that he gets worked up, he gets fired up and angry about whatever. You know, who knows what was going on with them privately. He might have been really upset about whether how it was affecting his businesses or he just does not think this is a good move.

But like back in the day, we didn't have not everyone had millions of people on a live, you know what I mean? Like people, we respond in real time and we make mistakes. I think he definitely made a mistake because I don't believe that he. thinks Donald Trump is a pedophile. I think he regrets doing that. And I think it was a really bad look, but I also feel like we should give people grace. I've been in situations where I react in real time based on anger or, you know, whatever the emotion is. But I just, I mean, I can't, I can't really hate him. I think it was a. bad move and I think he regrets it. And like I said, he's a great character for someone tracking

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I think, well, we obviously had a very public feud that I wasn't anticipating, and I think it got spun a certain way based on missing facts. And it involves, you know, personal, a friendship, my best friend, and another former employee who, I just think, you know, I wasn't able. I realized at a certain point I was not able to share the details of it. And so you learn the hard way that the truth isn't always an option. And so I just really kind of got steamrolled by a version of it that was not the full truth. But I mean, as far as how I feel about Candace, I think she's brilliant. I've always thought that. I don't always agree with her.

A lot of times I do agree with her. I feel like she is an ally and so many of these major issues. but again, I just see a pattern of like conflict that is just not what I'm interested in. I think I find humor and sort of humility and conversation and discussion. And I just don't want anything to do with sort of that combative cycle, you know. What would you say if she, because I don't even remember, I remember trying to follow the back and forth. It was really hard to follow. a lot of different things like listening to her and looking at your stories. And if she said,

okay, but you, you came out me first, Jessica. I liked you and you came out me first. You criticized. I don't even remember exactly what it was. So, because I just, I got a lot of messages saying, please ask her about this. Well, yeah. I think everyone's confused. And I get it, but I just have to sort of accept it because it's one of those things I can't share all the details on because my personal issues got spun into it when it really shouldn't have been. You know, it was really sort of unfair, I think. But yeah, I think I'm allowed to create, I think it all stemmed from a very mild article where I was talking about who we trust in media, which is, I think about it all the time, even with myself, like, who do I trust now? And I, I'm at a weird place where I don't actually

know what's real, you know? So I wrote this article, and I just feel like I'm allowed like anyone to criticize media personalities. You know, I was saying, I don't even remember what I wrote. It was very mild, but I just sort of went through these different personalities and like, I guess I was thinking out loud, which is what I do a lot in my newsletters. I go through things I'm contemplating or struggling with in real time. And so it just started, it kind of became this like back and forth. And I had so much going on that I wasn't fully paying attention to how it was being portrayed

and perceived and sort of spun from her angle. And she, you know, I offered to go on her show. I offered, I called her. I wanted to talk to her and she didn't take my calls. So at a certain point, I realized she really wasn't interested in hearing me out. And so it just, you know, I have to trust at the end of the day that my intentions will, like, speak for themselves. I really believe in what I do and I try my best every single day to put out what I feel is a benefit. to the internet, like the strangers on the internet.

I want everyone to feel more informed and entertained by whatever I'm doing. So I have no, again, no grudge. I think she's very good at what she does. And it's very different mediums. Like she has a studio and a team where they sort of help her address people. And it's a big audience. I sit in a room by myself and write and not everybody wants to read. 20-minute articles about some of these things. So we reach people in different ways, and I just think

it's hard. That's a... Well, here's the question. Do you think Emmanuel Macron is married to his brother, a man? Because I don't know. Like, that series is fascinating. It really was. And, like, so well researched. And just, like, do you think that Bridget McCrone is a man? I thought the series was amazing. I promoted that series like crazy, because I thought it was done so well. And it was like, it makes you think about it all differently, right? But I, um, politics is gross. That's what I mean, I think at the end of the day, there's so much that we don't know about a lot of people. I walked away thinking, I think it's possible. Like I think it's possible. I'm with you. I think it's possible, but I'm still like more

grossed out by Hunter Biden's laptop by what I saw on that. You know, like, yeah, that's really. These politicians. It's a, it's a, yeah, I think that there's a lot of ugliness when it comes to royalty, when it comes to politics, a lot of political dynasties that we don't know that probably would shock us. You follow the British royalty. I love that. Very closely, right? Okay. Do you think that the hatred of Megan Markle is totally justified, or do you think any of it is blown out of proportion? No, I think it's justified. Yeah, because I do watch them so closely.

I watched how it happened, and I saw a mistake after mistake being made on their end. And I just think, I mean, it's still continuing right now. There is lack of self-awareness there. I don't think the timing in each of their decisions. And just, I think, to publicly drag the family into that whole drama of like, you know, the racism claims and stuff. It was just really, really. It was really messy, and I don't think, I think that sort of set a really bad tone where it's like they were trying to break free, but they looked miserable while they were doing it and they were doing,

like you want privacy, but then you actually want documentaries and podcasts and all these things. So I think nothing about them seems genuine. And when you don't seem genuine at all, people don't take you seriously. And so I think, yeah, I don't think it is exaggerated. I think that's just not, you know, it's like you want the title of the royals, but you don't want any of the responsibility or duty that comes with that. And so it's just, it's like you're a fraud, right? Like you want to capitalize and profit off of a title, but then you're going to drag the family title through the mud. Like it just, and for a royalist like myself, it was, I thought it was messy.

tacky. Okay, I saw some video going around on acts of her in the hospital room, like dancing while pregnant. And I thought a lot of people saying like she was faking the pregnancy, it doesn't look like a real pregnant belly. I kind of thought that was silly. I'm like, I think it looks like a real pregnant belly. I mean, I don't mind the criticism of her. But sometimes I'm like, okay, people are just like looking for things to come up with. For sure. So not all these conspiracies I like. I don't like the fake pregnancy stuff. That was definitely her pregnant. hospital. To me, I thought it was sort of cringy because, again, they made such a big deal about privacy, but now you're releasing your most private home videos for the internet to see because

you want to sell your show or your jam or honey, whatever she's making. I just, they're sort of silly, right? Like, I think when you look at the contrast between what William and Kate are doing, which is really, you know, owning those roles and they have massed. to really secure this image that that role demands. And then I think you see these other, you know, the brother. And I think people don't like seeing Diana's boys fighting. Yeah. We all, we like feel some sort of connection to them.

Yeah. And protectiveness. We don't want the, like as a mother, you don't want to see, you don't want your kids to grow up and not like each other. So I just think the whole thing's sad. I liked when they were all getting along for those two weeks, whatever it was. Do you wish she would have married someone else? Yeah.

Do you have someone in mind? That I think Harry should have married. Yeah. Well, I liked, was her name Chelsea? It was the blonde. I liked them together. Hmm. I don't see.

I don't really know anything about it. I mean, you have to Google when we get off. There's part of me that does, I don't know why. Maybe I'm just like subject to the propaganda or, you know, a victim of the propaganda. There's sometimes I do feel bad for her because I just feel like she's trying so hard to be relatable and likable and it just doesn't come naturally for her. I just think she comes across like she doesn't like people and she's trying to pretend like she likes people and I'm like, then just go be an introvert. Just go do that. I actually think people could respect that more if they

were like, we want privacy and they went off by themselves and didn't talk to people. Oh yeah, but we want privacy, but also I'm so warm and I welcome people into my home every day. But I obviously am like super annoyed by these people who are right by me. I don't know. There's part of me that like feels back. I think you're very nice and you're giving her the benefit of the doubt, which is so sweet. But no, I could spend an hour on, we should have just had me on just for Megan Markle. No, just like even naming the baby after his grandmother who never, you know, met the baby. And those last, you know, months of her life was fraught with family conflict. because like I could go on and on.

I just don't think, like I always say, like, you know, one of my kids is going to end up with a Megan Markle. Like, I'm so scared. Like, I just don't think these are the type of women I love. See, that's why you got to believe in praying. You got to pray. I have to pray for the right spouse for your kid. I mean, it makes a difference with, you know, boys are, like,

whoever they marry is very influential as to how you, your relationship as adults. So, totally. I mean. Yeah. I got to hope these boys are smart. Yes. Okay, how old are your kids now? Arlo is 19.

Leon is 16. Rex is 15 and Hayes just turned 11. Okay. Oh my goodness. A house of like teenage and pre-teen boys. It's so fun. I love it. Yeah.

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That's everylife.com code Alley 10. Okay, Karen Reed trial. I know, do we have a verdict? I know right now we're waiting for the verdict. We don't have a verdict yet. So by the time this comes out, I'm sure that we will. But tell us what drew you to this case. Well, actually, I ignored the case.

I overlooked it because I had so many, I was still finishing up politics, and I was just getting into figuring out what White House access looks like, you know? So I opted out of that trial, but then the last week I was in New York, I spent a full day watching all the documentaries and catching up, and then I joined, you know how great it is when you have an online community, I joined, or started a chat in Substack, and I had all my readers catch me up, So then I was obsessed because I didn't realize it involved sort of like this whole small town conflict.

Like people are really divided over it. Families, towns, people. So it had all these layers. And so I got in very late, but now I'm fully, I get it now. Like I get why everybody is so invested. And she absolutely, based on all evidence I've seen is innocent. and this is all part of a really corrupt small town cover-up. So we are waiting right now to see if the jury feels the same way.

Okay, tell us, can you fill in some details for those who have no idea what this is? Oh, they don't know who Karen Reid is. Yeah. Basically, she's accused of killing her husband. He, they, the accusation is that she ran into, backed into him in the snow and he died from that. But there is, most of the evidence points to. a different way of death. And so many things don't add up.

So I've, I mean, it's like, there's so much, but there's no point of impact on his body and, you know, issues with his phone temperature and when he was found. And then it was at, it was a room, a house party full of drunken cops. So do you think that, do you think that the verdict will agree with you? Do you think the jury will agree with you? Well, that's the thing. As soon as we reach this point, it's so intense because now when you're emotionally invested in a trial, you know, you're on edge right now. Everyone's on edge over this verdict. And I pulled my audience and they were 90, I think it was between 80 and 90 percent. They believe she's not guilty. So as of right now, the jury's asking some questions that are kind of tossing our, we don't know where they stand right now. But it is crazy how it's mirroring this, her last trial, because this is, This is a retrial.

So if they go the same way and it's a hung jury, it's like, does that go a third time to try? Like, do we put, do we pay for a third trial for this woman? Wow. I'm so interested now. No, you, oh my gosh. I should have put you on the chat. Well, now I need to go back. Yeah.

And I need to look at all the diesels because I really haven't been following closely. Sometimes I feel like there's just like too much in the world to follow. Well, if you follow that HBO documentary, a body in the snow is really, really good. And it shows both sides. And it talks to all parties. I know. Sometimes documentaries are like they so obviously have an agenda. I don't recommend many of them because I feel like they have an agenda.

And it's done mom. And now I have something to watch. Yeah, no, you'll love it. It's a series, I think. There's five of them. It's really, really well done. So Vanity Fair recently did a profile on you. And I mean, I thought that it was kind of rude and belittling.

They, you know, said journalists and report. They put it in scare quotes. but obviously you're reporting on stories that a lot of people in the mainstream media aren't. And so like what is your reaction or response when Vanity Fair or other journalists try to kind of diminish you? With Vanity Fair, it's more comical because it was so snarky, right? It was very petty. I felt like it was like high school mean girl.

And the fact that they write so frequently about me is sort of weirdly flattering. like they care that much about who I'm fighting with. But I think it doesn't hurt me at all. My readers are not the people who are tuning in or waiting for a vanity fair to tell them what they think really about anything. So, I mean, the last one was really rude. You know, they brought in some of the gross remarks Laura Lumer wrote about me. I just, to me, that wasn't a story. Why do you think you scare them so much?

Like, why do they care? Well, I think because we're in a period of shifting media, there's a war among media where the trust is shifted to independent, you know, channels and personalities. And so a lot of people I hear, they associate me with like what Vanity Fair used to be, where it is, you know, society scenes and gossip, but it's also hardcore reporting. And I am getting stories that, you know, maybe. they would have gotten in the past. I think there's a competitive, obviously, I can't figure out what else it could be. There's a competitive aspect to it,

and I think they are resentful over, you know, like the shifting of the guards. Like, it's people don't, sadly, people don't read magazines anymore. I miss them personally, but I think, you know, I think that their goal is to constantly dismiss me, and sort of ridicule me so that in the hopes that everybody sees what a, you know, fraud of a mommy,

what do they call me, like a mommy blogging alt-right, conspiracy theorist, RFK fan girl. All the labels. Oh, and I, yeah. How do you deal with like the emotional toll of not just taking criticism, but also diving into these super dark stories? Well, that's a good question. They do affect me differently. that's why you know i mentioned pulling out of brittany spears the coverage there because it when it starts to get to when it weighs me in a negative and sort of a dark way i i will usually

kind of back away and so that's why i am hesitant about i am going to go into this murder case in august the brian coberger murder of these young college kids and i do know in the past when i've covered murder, it is very taxing, you know. It's different than, you know, I love, like, covering parties and going to, like, going sailing on campaign. I like all the lightness, but I think, yeah, it puts you in a different space mentally. Yeah. Well, I'm so glad to hear that you are on your journey of, like, reading the Bible, even if that's not something that you share in detail with everyone. I know that you, like, had, you were talking about, like, a house and habit Bible study on Instagram.

Yeah. Okay, I'm going to send you. You probably already have a Bible, but I send a lot of people my favorite study Bible. I don't know if you already have like a study Bible. I could use all the help. Okay, I'm going to send it to you. And I do this for a lot of guests because for me, like when I started really digging into the Bible 15 years ago or so, I needed help understanding. Like, okay, what does this first mean?

This sounds super weird. And obviously the commentary is just written by people. And so it's somewhat of an opinion, but it's careful. It's really careful the commentary. So I'm going to send you one of my favorite books, and then I'll send you an ESP study Bible. And, yeah, not that I don't know nearly close to everything about Christianity. But of course, if you ever have any questions or just want to talk about things, I'm here. And you've got a lot of people in this audience who are praying for you.

Oh, thank you. Truly. And that was the other question that I got. Can you ask her like where she is and her spiritual journey? Because like people just love you and they're rooting for you. And they know that you cover dark things. And so it's like for us who are Christians, we're like, gosh, I couldn't do this if it weren't for the hope of Jesus and knowing that goodwill triumph in the end because of him. And so, yeah, just a lot of people are thinking of you. Well, that means so much. And I do feel it. I have the best people behind me. And I do feel it. So I'm always appreciative of prayers and support. Yes. Well, thank you so much, Jessica. I know you don't do a ton of interview. So I feel honored.

So thank you so much. Well, thank you.