Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1228 | She Helped AOC Win. Now She’s Exposing Zohran Mamdani & Climate Activism | Lucy Biggers

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

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slash All right. Let's get started. Lucy, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Could you tell everyone who you are and what you do? Yeah, I'm Lucy Biggers. I'm the social media editor at the free press. I also write for them a bit. And I'm a former climate influencer, former sort of lefty social justice warrior who has had a political evolution since becoming a mom. And that's the reason that I, you know, get asked on a podcast like this. Yes. You wrote an article and I saw the article and I just love hearing about people changing their mind and everything that went into that. Before we get into that transformative season of your life, can we go back to how you became a climate influencer? Yeah. So I have worked in the news since I graduated

college in 2012. I was at a local news station in Mississippi, right out of college, and then I moved to New York and I found myself with this really cool progressive news startup called Now This News. And it was the height of sort of Bernie mania. Yeah. And coming off of, you know, the Obama years, I guess I was just sort of primed to fall into that progressive mindset. It was sort of just the default in my newsroom. And I, you know, coming from, you know, a small town in Mississippi where I had worked, it was so cool to have all these young people that, um, were my age from, you know, different racial backgrounds and really interesting people. And the only thing that wasn't diverse about us was our mindsets about politics. So it was just an easy thing to fall into

and basically went from like being a Bernie bro girl to being one of the first people ever interview AOC when she was coming up in New York. And so I have been part of the movement in those 20 teen years where I was really emerging. And then that my beat when I was at Now This became covering the climate movement. And I say climate influencer because I was really an activist in a newsroom covering it like sort of like a megaphone for the climate movement. I didn't really look at my coverage very critically. And so over those like it's 2015 to 2021 was my time there. And that's really where I was like very, very left just based on working in a very

progressive like newsroom. Yeah. I think it was just like an easy thing to fall into. So you say you fell into it. Does that mean that you were not raised progressive? Yeah. So I grew up in Connecticut. my parents were like Bush Republicans, I guess.

I think I was, I was in the young Republicans club in high school, actually. Okay. But you know, you kind of grew up, you know, I wasn't examining my beliefs then, you know, so you just kind of, or whatever. And then I think for me, what happened was that at the same time that I was becoming left, it was this oppressor versus oppressed mindset that we talk about a lot now where like it was like, oh, if you're white privilege, like you're an oppressor. Like that was sort of like a theme in the.

Do you think that you started learning that in college? No, I didn't because I was after that. I feel like in 2015 is when it took off and I was already in this newsroom. And so I've described this before. It's like it started off. We all wanted free college and free health care and like less inequality. And then all of a sudden a few years in it was like, oh, well, if you're white, you should not speak because you are an oppressor.

You don't realize that you're racist. And so everything you're saying is going to come off as racist. So that ideology as a young person who, doesn't have a good foundation of what I actually believe, just kind of going along to get along. If people are telling me, like, I'm secretly racist and, like, I should just be quiet. I'm obviously going to do that because I want to be a good person,

and I respect my colleagues and their perspectives. And there is something to be said for listening to people of different backgrounds and honoring their point of view. I think that's really healthy. But what happened where I was working was it took it to, like, a more negative level. And so basically after working there for six years, it was sort of like, I had no idea what I actually believed because I spent six years just censoring myself to get approval from the group.

And it manifested in just how I covered the climate change movement, not very critically or all these different, you know, protests at the time and social justice stuff. It was sort of just the beginning of what we kind of saw peak in 2020. But I was almost at the beginning lines of it because I worked in a very liberal newsroom in the 20 teens. I almost saw it like first, I guess. And yeah, just not having that internal belief structure. And like now that I have kids, I'm like, oh my God, I have to like really inoculate them against this because it's so easy to fall into this like empathy trap, which I was reading your book on the way here.

And you talk about this a lot where it's like well meaning people who have big hearts can very easily become susceptible to stuff that doesn't really want the best for society. How did you start covering climate change? Was that something that you were genuinely interested in or was now this like, oh, Like you're a cute young girl in the newsroom. We need someone to cover this. So here you go. It was actually something I was genuinely interested in.

And I love like positive stories. And I think how it started was covering, you know, the vegetable startup that's selling you bruised fruit to save it because it would otherwise go in the trash or like a reusable cup brand or whatever. Sort of positive little things. And then covering ocean plastic pollution, which we all know about now is a big issue. I was covering that in 2015. And then it was covering standing rock.

And basically, you know, I was really, really online. I think a lot, like, now this is like so taken for granted, but you have to think about the 20 teens. Like, we didn't really know what the algorithms were doing to our minds. And so I was online and how we published all of our content was through Facebook, through the Facebook news feed and videos. And so I was not only creating content, I was consuming content, and that was just spinning up my algorithm.

And then it became more about protesting and Standing Rock and going there. I'm sorry. And what's Standing Rock? So Standing Rock was a big protest in 2016 against the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota. Oh, okay. Now I'm remembering this. I can't tell what's like household like words or not. Like I don't know.

I say it as if everyone knows. But that was a big protest that happened right between when Trump got elected, but Obama was still president. Yes. It was December of 2016. 16, yes. So I covered that for now this and the videos that I made of that protest for like six months during 2016 got like tens of millions of views because we were just really ahead of what we now take for granted, which was like virality and really short clips, subtitles, like really

to the point. You don't really get the whole story. Like we know about it now, but at the time it was very new. Right. And I kind of was just following my interest and also the algorithm was then feeding it back to me. Yeah. Okay, that was the Dakota Access Pipeline and all of the protests. I remember there being some conservative coverage of the aftermath of that, that it looked like the protesters who were like, this is sacred land, Native Americans trying to say, we've got to protect this, that there was a bunch of trash, right? Did you see that at the time? Did that ever give you pause of like, hmm, is this as in good faith as I'm making it seem like it is? You hit the nail on the head because actually my first piece that I wrote at the free press, because I'm not an editorial at the free press, I run the social media.

But if you have an idea, you can like get it published. So my first piece I ever pitched was like I covered Standing Rock. I helped to go viral. And now I regret it. And the kicker of that article at the end is when I got home from Standing Rock and I saw a video of the trash and I thought, should I make this video for our audience and cover that the trash was left behind? and I decided not to do it because I didn't want to sully the positive narrative that I had put onto the movement. And ultimately, I think it cost the town. It was 48 million. I mix up the numbers. It was, I think, 48 million pounds of trash that cost the town like a million dollars to clean up.

Or I don't know. Don't quote me on that. Or maybe, like, which way is it? But it was a lot of trash. It's a lot of trash and a lot of money. And it was hypocritical. And like, I think that is what I call out now where I have now kind of come out of the ideological closet you could say in the last few months calling out the climate movement. And that was like the first seed that was planted, although I did not think about it really critically for years and they really acknowledge it. That the climate movement doesn't really care about the environment. They like to protest and they really hate human industry, you know, civilization. They hate the West. They hate America.

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slack which you know is like a messaging service that everybody uses in the office and I think that really made it worse because you could see what everybody believe by like the memes that they're sharing or the people someone's getting canceled on Twitter that week and it's getting they're getting you know put up in our Slack channel and dragged by everyone in the newsroom and you're going oh okay so now saying that thing is not allowed now thinking this is not allowed so it's not like it was over your head and in saying, don't act this way. Like, it was not. And I was friends with all my friends.

It was just sort of a slow spiral of silence where I stopped listening to my own internal critical thinking voice and my authentic opinions and started putting the beliefs of the group ahead of myself to fit in with the group. Yeah. Okay. Let's play this clip so people can see you in action when you were on now this discussing climate change. No, it's sweet.

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to explore how to live a more responsible life. Okay, so this is 2019. And I see what you mean that this is, that clip is not political necessarily. You're trying to make this into a positive story. So you were there for a while as someone who was on this beat, even after you covered that protest in 2016. Yeah. So that protest in 2016 really kicked off this becoming my beat. And again, my personality is I'm very positive and I'm always looking for like a positive

angle. So like my series was positive. But the like mainstream prime movement at that time and the culture, you know, the social media. groups I was interacting with and stuff were becoming very politicized. But I sort of carved out a non-political space within the movement, if that makes sense, because that just felt the most authentic to me. But what I realized later is I didn't cover all these topics the most honestly. For example, just like single-use plastic, focusing on, you know, upper reciders of Manhattan not using a straw

isn't really as important as getting, you know, waste infrastructure in places like Guatemala. and just sort of misplacing where the solutions could actually come from and bringing it back onto the individual in the West where we have good waste infrastructure and putting it on us to like solve all of climate change because we have sort of some guilt just by living the modern life that we have. So that was sort of the underlying perspective or I guess like motivation was like I have this guilt. I live this modern life. So I have to make content that sort of atones for it. Yeah. That's so interesting. Did you have class? anxiety during this time. Like you say that you were positive, but did you believe this idea that

the world is going to end in 10 years that, you know, Greta Thunberg and other people have propagated? I definitely had that. I think it would like flare up during different times, you know, you'd see a wildfire or a hurricane and you'd get really scared and go, oh God, this is happening, you know, or different films that would come out. Like Leonardo DiCaprio had a film in 2015, like before the flood, which now I feel like was just a projection from him. But. But, you know, but. And I feel like, But it was really scary, you know, and watching that and just being like, oh, God, like, we really have 10 years left. But obviously to function in the world, you're not going to be anxious every single second of the day. But, like, my mental, like, landscape was, like, I have 10 years.

And I think at one point, probably in my earlier 20s being like, well, I can't have kids, you know? Or just, like, feeling guilty of, like, I got married during this time. Like, what would my wedding be like? Can I have, like, a wedding because it's consumption and just putting everything through this lens of a lot of guilt for just basically living, you know, a life in America. in the 20 teens. Yeah. It was just really a drag on my, like, energy, I guess, as a person. And I think one of the criticisms I get now is like, oh, well, you just gave up.

Your anxiety is so bad that you just don't care anymore. And I'm like, no, that's not the thing is I think we should always protect the environment. And I think that climate change is happening to some degree and we can adapt to it. But right now, the way the movement pushes its plans of, you know, just like covering the the the countryside and windmills or all these things are kind of distractions away from the things that we could actually really make an impact on whether it's cleaning up litter or adaptability to climate change, et cetera. So I guess it's important for me to say like I still really do care about the environment, but it's more maybe like in a conservation way than what I see the climate

movement pushing now, which makes no sense. Yeah, I've learned a lot about just the other side of what looks like trying to protect the environment, like the windmills that you talked about. It takes fossil fuels to create those. Not that I think fossil fuels are bad, but that's something that climate activists say, but it takes fossil fuels to build them. And then there's really no way to discard them. It's not like they're biodegradable.

They just enter into these landfills. And by the way, we're relying on China to create these windmills, import them over here. Also, they're bad for the air and for the birds and, like, so many things. And I feel like so many proposed solutions that come from the progressive side when it comes to climate change. actually just makes things worse. And makes us devolve as a civilization without a big upside for the environment, which is

strange because I assume that a lot of people in the movement are similar to you and that they really care. They really do care. And they really do want to help the earth and all of that. And yet they're not open to other capitalistic, free market, creative solutions to actually helping the earth. Yeah. They have sort of sacred held beliefs.

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That's what I'm really interested in. And that's also just why I had to speak out because I was like, I'm not going to be on my 89. I'm not going to be 110 on my deathbed and thinking, you know, having regrets that I didn't speak out because I was afraid of backlash. I was like, I just have to start saying what I've observed and hopefully from that other people will resonate. Next sponsor is cozy earth. I love my cozy earth sheets. I've got my cozy earth sheets on my bed right now. In these hot summer nights, I mean, it keeps you cool, temperature regulated, so soft, so luxurious feeling. And that's not just true of this.

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So during this time, and I'll just kind of like go over this quickly, you produced a video about AOC, that AOC was in, and she was just kind of explaining her platform and who she is, and that now this video that you helped produce was used in her campaign. I don't know if it went viral, but it circulated a lot at the time, and it basically helped her win, and I'm sure that was something that you were proud of, right? Yes, definitely.

Yeah, so I met AOC in 2017 right before she won the primary in 2018 that June. We're the same age. We're the same, like, class. So we were, you know, in our late 20s. And I really was taking with her. I think she's very charismatic and she comes off very authentic to me. And we hit it off at this small event that I was at that was for Democrats running to take back the house after Trump had gotten elected.

And so yeah, it was a no-brainer for me to cover her story for Now This and it got, I think it got like 10 million views within like a week. And so that was 2018. And then, you know, COVID happened 2020. I started working from home and then I had my first. Still for now this. Yes. I worked for now this until 2021. And when did you get married?

2019. Okay. Yeah, September 2019. And I was still very much in it going into. my wedding. Like my wedding was like sustainable. I tried to like have less waste, which is nothing wrong with that. Like totally do that. But I don't know. I just always felt like it was a little out of alignment for me. Like I felt really like exhausted around the content that I would make. It felt very forced. Like even like coming here today and talking, I'm like, oh, I'm just going to talk

from my authentic self. It's not, it's energizing versus exhausting. And when I would go on my trips and I interviewed Greta Thunberg and Sweden and stuff, like I was so exhausted because it felt like fake and I couldn't fully go there and really say what I believed because I was still really in this mindset of like you have to act and talk a certain way and it was all kind of connected whether it's the climate movement or sort of this ideology that I had absorbed from my old job. Yeah it just was like a very out of alignment like well it's never enough like it seems like in the climate movement like it's never enough there's always more to do right and the timeline of when the world is going to end, keeps shifting.

And it's just a big weight on your shoulders. One thing that I notice about it, and I'm interested to know if this played into your shift at all is it just feels very anti-human. Anything that is good or more convenient for humans is automatically seen as bad. And the population is a problem. Like that's what I see in the climate change movement a lot. It's like the population is the problem. If we just had 90% fewer people, then life would be good.

And I'm like, well, that's a really sad and pessimistic mentality of the human race. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. And there's also this sort of what's the word fetishizing of ancient humans where you're like, oh, the hunter gatherers. And now-Americans were so peaceful. Yeah. It was peaceful scalping. It was good. Like, no, definitely a demonization of civilization.

Yeah, exactly. And that was, again, like when I go back to saying, like, I have a. positive personality. Like my natural disposition is to be optimistic. So that is where like the rubber started hit the road because I was like my natural character is positive about the human condition. Like I like and now I'm so happy to be like I love civilization. Like I love capitalism. But yeah, so it was really hard. And I think it also took sort of a turn because when I covered in 2016 there was a there's a religious undertones here, but there was a poster that said Standing Rock awakens the world that I posed with. And I felt really like positive. Like I

I'm on the right side of history. There was a Native American, you know, legend that they would fight this black snake after seven generations. And we were at the seventh generation. There was all these symbolisms around religion. So I was like, oh, I'm on the right side of history. And then, like, over the years, it became what you're saying, where it was like no climate justice without justice. And you're like, wait, what are we talking about? Like, we've lost the plot.

Like, I thought we're trying to clean up pollution. And now it's like we've got to break down capitalism in America and, like, restructure society from the ground up and I'm like, wait, I don't subscribe. And then I just, I honestly just like just kind of went quieter. I stopped posting a lot, especially like over COVID and, and I just didn't say what I believed and I kept quiet. And I thought maybe I was going to keep quiet for my entire life because I didn't want to get the backlash. But like the internal frustrations and second guessings were growing and almost like I would present one thing to my audience now. This is like 20 teens and then like oh maybe over a glass of wine with like a trusted friend i'd be like well actually

you know single-use plastic as a lower carbon footprint than plastic you know it's like i knew that it was more complicated but i was so afraid to wade into it because of just the backlash from like the following i had built and um my co-workers in the culture what was it about getting married that started to shift your mind even more so i think it was that time at home away from so I got married September 2019 so COVID was only six months later even like going on my honeymoon and like feeling anxious like on my honeymoon you know like it's just like sort of starting to realize that my climate perspective was interacting in a negative way with my like outside of work life where I couldn't even like enjoy my honeymoon because I was like oh I should be at the climate protest that's happening right now instead of like in France on my honeymoon so there was that and then um going through COVID it was so there was two things that really started to make me go wait a minute, what's going on here? One was the outrolling of PPE and all of a sudden you had plastic barriers between every restaurant table and every office desk and you had people wearing disposable masks every single day and throwing them out. And I'm like, I have been gilting myself about a

plastic straw for the last five years and I've now used more plastic in a day than I ever have. And also like we're completely fine. We can deal with it. And in a lot of ways, I didn't know at the time and maybe we'll never really know how much these things were really helping. But I was like, it's saving lives. So like plastic has a positive side to it. And it kind of broke me out of my black and white thinking about plastic. And then with the world shutting down and you know they have these emissions charts are like up, up, up. And it was like went down by like 2% or whatever it was. And I'm like, wait a minute. The world has been shut down now for weeks. The entire world. We cannot go outside. No one's flying. And we're only limiting our carbon emissions by 5% or whatever it was.

Yeah. What does the climate movement want from us? Because ultimately to achieve climate net zero, whatever people throw around, we would have to end civilization. And I don't think that that's a good tradeoff. Like, I'd rather live with some climate change and adapt to it and have our modern lives and modern conveniences than shut down the world and live like in a caveman times. Yeah. So yeah, that was that. And then obviously you have kids and I feel like it just totally foundationally changes you. I had my son in March of 2022. And I'm like, first of all, I'm going to be using single use diapers. I'm going to be single use wives. So you kind of have to just be selfish because you're so exhausted. And I don't want my son to absorb for me any pathologies around

consumption as a modern human. I think it's sort of a weird, again, going back to this, like religious undertones. It's like this feeling of like original sin where it's like, oh, you were born in 2025 and like, oh, you used single use. I was just like, this is dumb. I don't want him to feel this way. So like, I need to let it go. And I get it because people are now like, you just don't care. And I'm like, no, I just think that it's fine. Like, we have the infrastructure to deal with this stuff. like it's okay to consume. And I had this sort of zero-sum fear-based relationship to consumption that I literally thought it was world-ending.

I would feel guilty every time I'd throw something out and all that. And I was just like, I got to let this go. Yeah. So obviously you got over this fear of having children that you said that you had when you were worried that the world was going to end. What was that like? I'm sure that your husband had something to do with that and saying, okay, like we're going to have kids.

Yeah. I wouldn't say I was ever like adamantly like. like I'm never going to have kids. It was more like moments where I would think about it and I would be anxious about it. I never like took a strong stance, but it was definitely like in my internal world. It would be like a belief that I would have at any given time. But I think my husband is not like political and like he doesn't, you know, care about this type of stuff. He's just more steady.

And so he's just a grounding force for me that like I'm like over here like thinking about every single thing. And he's just like it's good. It's fine. Yeah. It's fine. And, you know, I just think you just. building or your own life and like having sort of the world that is your family is such a perspective giving thing where you realize like this is your domain to and put your values

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If there is one thing that you could tell, say there's a conservative out there who doesn't care about the environment at all, and they're like, whatever, everything that environmentalists say is a total hoax, we shouldn't care, think about it at all. My first question is, what would you tell them? What is actually true about how we should steward the earth and the environment in a way that is healthy. Yeah.

And then my second question is, what would you tell the progressive climate change fanatic to shake them out of their stupor? So we'll start with like, what is something true about the environment and how we can actually care for it? Yeah, I think the simplest thing.

It's so basic. We've known this for decades is honestly, I think, like litter. Like, it sounds so, like, but it's like the Nancy Reagan. Like, I think her campaign was like, don't litter or whatever. I think just cleaning up after yourself, you know, leaving, like if you're going somewhere into nature and never leaving anything behind, like, I still really subscribe to those things. That's so basic. And, you know, start there. I, like, when it comes to, like, your consumption

and stuff, I really do think that humans are so industrious and so good at coming up with problem solving. So I think we will have a fossil free future, but it will probably just be a new technology that we don't even know about yet. So I wouldn't worry about it. And just, you know, live your best life. Be grateful for what you have that we have all these modern conveniences. Yeah. And for the other person, it's so tough. And I was actually talking to someone yesterday and she was like, oh my gosh, I love your content. I've lost a friend to the climate movement. This girl went to college in Maine and just, it doesn't want to have kids now, thinks that, like, in this really culty climate movement that she was in, they suggest like suicide. Like, it's like really bad.

So there are people out there who are really, really radicalized. I don't think people really understand the mindset. I was never that bad. But I think it goes back to perspective, historical perspective of how grateful we should be. Human life used to be toil and short and you would die young because of just how unsafe it was and difficult it was. And now, thanks to the technology of fossil fuels, we can have a beautiful set like this and conversations like this. under lights and technology. And we live such amazing lives that kings, even in the 1700s, would not have lived as good as us. And so I think bringing in that perspective of, hey, we're not in

late stage capitalism 10 years away from dying, but look at these facts. Look at how good we have it compared to our ancestors. Even for women, I think, realizing in areas that don't have access to fossil fuels, five hours a day could be spent collecting dung and wood to cook for your family. Fuel collection is how they spent. Like that's their job, 40 hours a week. Yeah. So just bringing in that and maybe shifting some of this guilt into gratitude, I think, goes so far.

Yeah. And just having that perspective, yeah. Yeah, you mentioned their religious undertones. And I see that so much that it really is almost like a pagan religion. It seems to me that those who are all in on climate change, you're trying to fight climate change, like stewardship. of creation. That's what I would say that we are called to. We are called to care

for the world around us. Treat it really good. Leave it better than we found it. All of that. Try not to waste. I think that's probably just good responsible living anyway. But it goes from stewardship to worship. And I think that

when you have this mentality shift from, okay, I am a steward of the world around me. I'm going to care for it. I'm going to do the best that I possibly can to cultivate it to make it beautiful and good and healthy and productive for my neighbors. That's a human first mentality. That is saying, I am a caretaker of the world around me

versus a worshipper of the world around me in which basically you believe that you have to submit to all of the elements and that the world in nature and animals are actually more important than humans. And I don't know if you're a Christian, but it really goes all the way back to the very beginning when God made Adam and Eve. The first task that he gave Adam was to work. He had to name the animals and he had to work the ground and to keep it. God put Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, not a jungle.

So a garden has to be tamed. It has to be cultivated. And Adam and Eve were given the responsibility to not only populate the earth. So that's one thing against the climate movement today, but also to care for it. And to work it and to be in charge of it. There's actually like a dominion authority. to it. And I see the exact opposite thing when it comes to climate change. Humans are bad. We are a debit and that we take away from all things good that civilization has been a net negative for human

beings and that we just need to let the elements of the world be untamed and do as they will says. I mean, it really, it's like, it's paganism. It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator. I mean, everything that you're saying resonates with me so much. And it's not like, when I started making content. I was raised Episcopalian, so I am religious, but sort of in a cultural way. But as I'm making this content more, like, so many of the themes that you're mentioning resonate with me so much. It's almost like a discovery.

Like, as I was making more content on my TikTok and Instagram, I'm like, oh, here are these themes. And like you said, anti-human, like feeling guilty for just being alive. Like that is one thing that like, why I feel, you know, you have your why is. Like, why am I making content? Why am I speaking out? I'm like, I don't want people walking around feeling guilty for just being alive. And, you know, and like going back to this original sin where it's like, no, like, it's okay. Like, we were born into this society and like you're saying, like leave it better than you found it.

Do your best. And another thing to think about the climate movement, which I think is such a good point is that they diminish all of nature's beauty. You know, we look in America. We have so many amazing blessings. All these national parks that are just like so beautiful. And I think the healthy way to look at it is like you're saying, being a steward honoring nature's beauty and like looking at it whatever um the climate movement turns everything into a carbon emission so it's no longer like oh look at this deer it's beautiful it

it grazes it travels this way it's well its carbon emissions are this many tons a year wow and you see places in europe where this is really taken hold more than here we're lucky that it's not as bad where they're culling deer they're calling reindeer they're culling cows cattle from generations old farms because of their methane emissions, not taking into account, oh, I don't know, maybe this land in Ireland has evolved alongside these cows. This is a 10th generation farmland. This is part of the Irish culture and heritage,

and it's so complex and so beautiful. And the climate movement comes along and they're like, these are the emissions and you need to kill that 100,000 of them. And that truly happens in places, luckily not in the U.S. as much. But like the Dutch farmers that happened to them. It's so awful. And I agree with you so much. It's like we've totally lost the plot and it's subverted all of like this goodwill of wanting to help the environment.

And where we've landed is a really destructive movement that is anti-human and anti-like anti-the-environment. Yeah. It's it's so lost. Let me tell you all about the think summit. This is T-H-I-N-Q. This summit is unlike any other Christian event. It is immersive. There are hands on workshops.

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You know, meanwhile, we will probably never come close to the carbon footprint that he has created from all of the times he's flown around in his private jet, which is true of all of these activists, by the way. And also, I'm just like, if you're going to fly around a private jet, just like own it. Like, I get a lot less annoyed at, like, the Jeff Bezos of the world in Lauren Sanchez. I'm like, they're living it. They're having a good time versus, like, Leo shows up at the wedding. And I'm like, come on.

You've been lecturing us for years. You should have gone over in a canoe and arrived. Well, I also think it's so interesting. We talk about this a lot. And when I was writing for the free press about my Standing Rock article is that Greta Thunberg now, who was a big climate activist, is now pro-Palestine activist. I saw that. And so it's- She didn't.

It was ridiculous. And she, it's an omni-cause, right? It's just the anti-human, anti-civilization. an anti-West mindset moved from climate in the 20 teens to now it's on to pro-Palestine. And they have this weird fetishizing of Palestine where they're like, well, it would be sustainable if Israel wasn't there. Like it makes no sense. Like it's truly like some crazy, like pseudo-religious take on what the Palestinian people

would be like. And in the same way that it was with the Native Americans would be like. And so it's just this mindset's moving one thing to the other. I feel like climate's kind of moved out of vogue. And also I feel like if I had really come out at the height of it in 2018, I would have had to be even braver than I am now because I think it would have been like really scary. I think like the wave crested on climate a bit. And I wasn't brave enough to go out earlier. But and now it's it's moved on to its new cause.

I'm so intrigued to see what the next thing will be. Yeah. I have I have this small anecdote. So my husband and I for our 10 year anniversary, we went to Hawaii. And there is a culture. I think the people who live in Hawaii can tell you this among a lot of the natives there of like anti-colonialist and even anti-white. And the mentality is, you know, like we've had this land or generations have had this land for so long. You know, tourists came in.

Americans came in. They made it a state. They changed our culture. They made it, you know, commercialized in all of these things and hurt our environment. And obviously it's a very blue state, very progressive state and very pro-fighting climate. change through whatever government policy possible. Well, there is this cliff outside of our resort that my husband and I were going to jump off of. We went there that morning. We were the only ones there. We went back that afternoon,

and it was a public place, and a bunch of locals were there. And we were appalled that in the two hours between when we were there this morning and no one was there, and when we were there that afternoon, when so many locals was there, how trashed it was. And like my husband and I were so careful. Like we didn't want to leave anything. We didn't want it to seem like we weren't taking care of the place around us because we're the tourists that people don't like. But there was soggy pizza. There was trash. There were cans. I mean, everywhere. I'm not saying, oh, well, this is what everyone in Hawaii is like. I just think it reminds me a lot of standing rock. And we see this kind of thing a lot. It's like, is it really a love for your land, a love for the environment, a love for your culture? Or is it

anti-civilization, anti-white people, anti-the-oppressor who is not really oppressing you. Right. Is it just progressive ideology and you're using the climate as a virtuous seeming excuse? Yes, I think you're like 100% right. And I think that the college educated, ironically, white person is the one, they are the ones who were going to all this stuff and creating these movements. Like they're the ones who pushed the Standing Rock thing. Like there were some Native American activists who started it, but it really got taken

on by the college educated like white elite that we see that now has moved down to pro-Palestine. And so it's all virtue signaling and a weird, again, like the no, this myth of like the noble savage. Like it's, it's so messed up to say. But it's like all these college educated kids who are like, oh, my culture is horrible. But like this culture, I'm going to put you on a pedestal. And it's actually really like degrading and puts down on the culture. And it's not really like respectful and sort of twisted. But yeah, it's a lot of lost young people looking for meaning, I think. Okay. So you've waited. on the Mamdani. Is that how you pronounce his last name? Zoran Mamdani. Yes. Okay.

So if people don't know, he is the Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City. He has an out-and-out socialist and this is not us just deducing that. He has said that he is a socialist. He has advocated adamantly and persistently for defunding the police.

But he won his primary against Cuomo. And so he will probably win because a Republican probably won't win. the mayoral race in New York City. And Cuomo, I think, maybe is still running. Yeah. But you've had some commentary on him. So what do you think?

Yeah. So I actually did a video from my car, you know, classic. Yeah. You know, the front seat think piece. Yeah. On an impulse right after he won. And I just said, guys, I'm telling you, if I were 25, I would have love Zonan Mom Donnie.

When I was 26, I loved AOC. Yeah. And then I just explained, my anecdote on this, like they think really like hammers at home is that these well-meaning leftist policies really are the road to hell is paved with good intentions and end up creating the problem that they're trying to avoid. And in New York, actually, it was a law that Cuomo signed into law in 2019. It's called the Affordable Housing Act or something of 2019, where they capped the amount you could raise rent on rent-controlled apartments to just 2%. And the idea, you know, the well-meaning Democrats in the state house are like, we've got to, you know,

these pesky landlords. They're so greedy. They're raising the rent. on these rent-controlled apartments. Problem is, these rent-controlled apartments could have the same owner, same tenant since the 1970s, right? So people are in these rent-controlled apartments for 50 years, 40 years. They don't really let the landlord in.

They completely buy the time someone's leaving an apartment after 40 years. They're... or not even that. They just have all the old appliances. You have to bring them up to code. And the original rent from 1970 was $400. Yeah.

So if you raise 2%, that would be in 2025, $408 on an apartment that needs $100,000 in renovations to get it up to 2025 codes. So what's happened is that now, since this law has been in effect now for five or six years, there are tens of thousands of empty rent-controlled apartments in New York City right now because the landlords cannot put $100,000 or $60,000 into an apartment to bring up to code and only charge $400 a month. Right.

So now we have this huge housing shortage in New York City and everyone's blaming on the left, they're saying the capitalist, these greedy landlords, and they're so living in, like, projection, because a lot of these landlords are going to be, maybe they own a building, their first generation immigrants, they own a building, they own two buildings. And when you hurt them with over-regulation, you know who comes in and buys up these apartments? Is the Black Rocks, is the big capitalist, you know, bad guys that they're so afraid of. And so I'm trying to explain to people like, you guys, these leftist policies that are really regulatory, end up creating the monster that you don't want to have there,

whether it's the housing shortage or these big bohemouth real estate businesses that you feel aren't connected to the person and can abuse the system, which is a real problem. And so yeah, I just use like, you guys, road to hells pay with good intentions. Like, I promise you. And basically saying, like, we need less taxes.

We need less government in our life. We need more room for innovation, for human flourishing, because individuals are the ones who can create the capital that creates all the amazing things that we have here in the U.S. and when the government gets involved and overregulates, you have this, you know,

a show that we see in New York. And luckily New York, you know, it's such a big economy. And it's still under the weight of all these bad policies still going. But it's just so hard to see it. Like, it's like a slow fall. It's a slow moving car crash. And like, I think he's going to win

because I think he has all the energy. He has the right smile. And he's a Nepo baby to be, like, clear. You know that, right? Like, he was just in Uganda for his wedding. Yeah. And so, you know, New York Post. always says the best commentary. And they're like, oh, yeah, he caught. It actually was really sad.

Sorry, like, I'm not to make light of this, but there was a shooting in New York yesterday. Yeah. And he commented on it. And someone's like, wow, I'm really glad you're, after all your years of defunding the police and you're commenting behind armed guards in Uganda on this devastation that happened. Like, why don't you have social workers guarding your wedding? Right. Like, yeah. He's just such a hypocrite. Last sponsor for the day is Patriot Mobile. This is America's only Christian conservative, wireless provider. There is one wireless provider that stands in a gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. That is Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years,

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And I'm not even saying that's bad. No, exactly. You know, I'm saying, own it. Don't post a video of yourself eating like whatever it is with your hands, which was disgusting, by the way. So many reasons why that's wrong. But to try to cosplay as an oppressed poor person. It annoys me so much.

Come on. And I think the thing is I try to say this because people on my account, they're like, you don't care anymore. You've given up. And I'm like, no, you don't understand. I actually do care. We all want the same things, right? We want to see less inequality.

We want to see less poverty. I want to see more people able to live the American dream and prosper and flourish and follow their dreams. I just think that the way we get there is different than what the snake oil salesman that's Mom Donnie is. He's not, he's selling a bill of goods that does not work. And everywhere socialism is tried, it is a civilization ruining practice and talk to the people who are children of immigrants from Cuba, Venezuela, USSR.

This experiment goes all over the world and never. ends well. And I want people to be more successful in life. And we realize that socialism is not the problem. And there's like so much misunderstanding, I think, from the group things that I left, where they project onto me like, well, you don't care because you're not pushing socialism. And I'm like, no, I do care. But socialism doesn't work. It makes people's lives worse. And so that's a huge, another thing. I'm trying to speak out and be like, guys, we all want the same things. But we're just thinking we get there a different way. Yeah. So what do you think that progress like him and other progressives running for office over the next few years,

what do you think they're going to do with the climate change issue? Are they going to let go of it? Has it officially crested and no one's going to talk about it? Is it going to be another wave? What do you think the future of that collision of socialism and climate change looks like? That's a great question. I looked at Mom Donny's website with his policies, and it's not very climate change focused,

which is honestly smart because working class people do not like climate change. like it is a very elite topic. I think the only thing on his website about it was making schools green or something, like nothing that big. So I think that it has crested. Like I was a big like green New Deal person now. I look back and I'm like, made no sense.

Covered that a lot. And that was a big thing. And I think now people are realizing it's that creates an affordability crisis. It's not really connecting with people. And so the smart liberals that we're seeing, the AOCs and Maldonis are going back to the, the kitchen table issues, and their ideas are very bad,

but that's why they're getting success. Like $30 minimum wage, like affordable groceries. Like they've figured out that the climate is not selling. So I hope that it's passed, but I do think that the mindset we were discussing of people feeling just guilty for being alive and having the shame and walking around

feeling horrible being a human. I feel like that's so pervasive in our culture, even if it's not manifesting now in climate movement. that makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. Okay, if people want to read more from you and hear more about your commentary, where can they go? Yeah, so I work for the free press. So our website is thefp.com. I run the social media is there. So if you ever message the social media on any of those accounts, it probably will be me seeing it. But then my personal accounts on Instagram, I'm Lucy Biggers, TikTok, I'm Lucy Biggers. The only thing I'm different on is Twitter slash X. I'm LL Biggers.

But all the content is basically the same. Yeah. I'm on Sub-Sack. notes like you ought to be everywhere. Yeah, got it. Well, thank you so much, Lucy, and I really appreciate you being so open about your transformation and how you've changed your mind. I think that alone will just help a lot of people think more critically about what they believe. So thank you so much. Thank you for having me.