Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1241 | The 'Charlie Effect' Spreads Across the Country

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

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The response to Charlie Kirk's assassination has been absolutely monumental. We are going to go through that response today. You will feel emboldened. You will feel encouraged. But I am also going to give some clarity on who did this assassination, what we should take away from it. And I'm going to respond to some of the truly heinous responses that I've seen from some professing Christians after Charlie's death. And I hope this gives you the encouragement and the clarity that you need. today. If you love this podcast, if you're new to this podcast, I would love for you to subscribe. You can subscribe on YouTube, on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen or watch. We would love to have you here. We're so thankful for this community. All right, without further ado, here is today's episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a restful weekend, a peaceful weekend, a weekend, hopefully being refreshed and rejuvenated by the Word of God with your family, resting, at church.

I just want to remind you, as I so often do, especially on Mondays, but especially right now, that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. He is not surprised. He's not taken aback. He's not thrown off. He's not looking down. Wondering what's going to happen next or how the last thing happened. He is not a God who comes in to clean up the mess later.

He is not distant. He is not busy. He is present and he is working. He is doing something. When God seems to be doing one thing, he is doing a million things. And those things don't always go viral. They don't always make headlines. But Romans 828 reminds us that he works all things, all things together for the good of those who love

him who are called according to his purpose. He is doing all things for his glory and the good of those who love him. How good is God? And it is so like Satan to try to discourage, to try to demoralize, to try to destroy, to take such a bold and strong fighter out of the battle and hope to make the rest of us so scared and silent and ineffective. And it is so like. God, to stack the odds against himself just to tear them down, to show up when it seems darkest, when it seems most desperate God who is in the business of redemption, who is in the business of thwarting Satan's plans, who is in the business of bringing people to himself, that's what God is up to right now. And we as Christians have the glorious privilege to be a part of

it. As his vessels of truth and bearers of the righteousness that Christ gave us, we have this incredible, gracious opportunity to be a part of this moment in which people are searching and they're hungry and they're wondering, is there something better? Is there something more? Is their order to be made out of this chaos? Is their meaning? Is their substance? They're feeling empty, they're feeling afraid, and we have the answer. We have been entrusted to steward the answer to all of life's questions. And it's not because we're wise. It's not because we're powerful. It's because we know the creator of the heavens and the earth. And because he created all of it, as Genesis 1-1 says, he is the authority over all of it. That means he is the definer of all of it. He gets to say what is and

what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's bad, what a woman is, what she's not and when life begins and all of these things are answered in the very first chapter of the first book of the bible you just got to read 27 verses before you get the answer to so many questions that our culture has today and because of the clarity that charlie showed not just on the gospel first and foremost but on all of these issues that are not primarily um political or cultural they're primarily biblical, he was killed for it for the same reason that Christians have been killed for thousands and thousands of years. And, you know, some people are trying to comfort themselves right now by telling themselves that that's not why Charlie was killed. He was killed for being divisive.

He was killed for saying the wrong things with the wrong tone. So that won't happen to me if I'm just winsome enough. If my tone is just nice enough, if I say things differently, if I don't wait into the abortion issue or the gender issue or the marriage issue, then they won't kill me. You're fooling yourself. And you are a fool because you don't see that all of those things are first and foremost biblical before they are political. Now, did he have political opinions that I'm sure people were angry about? Yes. But as we will talk about more today, he was killed because he said what was true about gender. He said what was true about justice. He said what was true about the gossip. about the existence and exclusive salvation that is found in Jesus Christ.

Our responsibility, as was Charlie's responsibility, just as every Christian's responsibility is, is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. If you've been here for a while, you know that that is in addition to an Elizabeth Elliott quote. It's kind of a combination of two quotes that I love by Elizabeth Elliott. I love Elizabeth Elliott. And what she would say is the only thing I have to do today is the will of God. I remember the first time I heard that stopped me in my tracks. It's the only thing you have to do today, Christian, is the will of God.

And she would also say, just do the next right thing, which a lot of people have said. But I kind of combined those two ideas and added on to them to say, if you don't know what the will of God is in this moment, it's simply to do the next right thing. The next right thing in faith. with excellence and for the glory of God. I believe that is how Charlie lived his life. And right now, even amidst this fear, even amidst this understandable anxiety, don't stop. Don't back down. Don't slow down.

Now is the time to double down. Double down on what is good right and true. Have courage and discipline in your everyday life to do what is right, to say what is true. I just want to say, before we get into the rest of our episode, Thank you to the pastors who shepherded their flocks well this weekend. Being a pastor is hard. It's way harder than being a podcaster. Having to navigate not only these very difficult cultural moments, but also to shepherd your flock, which is filled with all different kinds of people, with backgrounds, with viewpoints, and make sure that you're pointing all of them with

utmost clarity and courage to the Word of God. That is difficult. It's way more difficult than my job, and I do not envy the role of pastors, but I'm thankful for those who take that responsibility seriously, those who met this moment, who gave both their new and old attendees what they needed. Courage straight from the Word of God. A reminder of the strength and the salvation of Jesus Christ. many pastors, many of you are telling me, unfortunately did not meet the moment. They were very vague. They skirted the subjects or they did something way worse. They made some kind of horrible equivalence between Charlie Kirk and George Floyd, which is insane, actually, like not at all the same. Charlie Kirk was a brother in Christ.

Like whether you agreed with him on XYZ, who cares? He was a brother in Christ who died, saying things, who was murdered, saying things that are biblically true. Whether it was the gospel itself or the reality of Genesis 1-27, that is a martyr. And I'm sorry, but there is no indication that George Floyd was a Christian, still an image bearer of God who matters a lot, but not a martyr in any sense of the word and this addiction to both siding everything, to avoiding the real issue. It is exactly why people tune into podcasts instead of listening to their pastors because their pastors give them no clarity. So many pastors just don't answer their questions. You've got all of these curious, anxious hearts walking into a church and they're not looking for their pastor to be a newscaster

or a podcaster. That is not the responsibility of a pastor. The pastor is to faithfully preach the word of God and to shepherd and care for their people well. But sometimes, sometimes part of that is meeting the moment. But when a pastor doesn't tell their congregants what the word of God says about the chaos of our day, then you have people walking out of their feeling no less anxious than they did when they walked in. Sometimes the moment calls for a response from scripture. John McArthur did that so well. A lot of expositors do that. He was not alone in that, but I just remember taking so much comfort in so many of his sermons. from 2020, 2021, never ventured outside of the Word of God. He went straight to the Word of God. He

exposted the Word of God. But there were times when he would maybe get out of what he was typically planning to talk about or get out of a certain book of the Bible that they had been in for years to specifically address that moment because he felt, it seemed to me, I don't attend his church, but he felt that that's what his congregation needed. And to me, to me, just a lay person that seems to be an important part of being a shepherd. Before we get into the rest of this episode, we've got some really encouraging things to talk about. Gosh, praise God for what he's doing, but we've got some hard things to talk about. I've got some, what I think is a tough and necessary message for some professing Christians that they've put out there towards the end

of this. But before we get into all of that, I just want to say a couple things about Share the Arrows. If you're new here, Share the Arrows is our Christian Women's Conference. And last year was our first year. We had 4,000 women show up down in Dallas, Texas. And it was incredible. It is a teaching conference. It's an equipping conference. We have the most solid female Christian speakers, teachers, apologists, teach the women about what it means to be bold in Christ, what it means, whether you are a stay-at-home mom, whether you are a student, whether you are a grandmother, whether you are an employee, an entrepreneur, whatever stage of life you're in, the teachers who are there are quipping you to be bold for

Christ in every sphere. And I just, you know, I was tired of a lot of these Christian women's conferences that focus on feelings and focus on self-help and all of this fluff. And I'm like, gosh, women need theology. Like, we need to be challenged. And a lot of you who came last year planning to go this year, I've asked me, like, is it still on? What's the deal? And it is 1,000% still on. And we are going to balance boldness with prudence. And there is going, there was already going to be a ton of security, guys, but there's going to be like unreal levels of security. And so you have nothing to worry about there. And it is going to be, I think, even, more necessary than ever because I don't know about you. I just really feel right now,

like I want to be gathered with believers. Like I couldn't wait to go to church yesterday. I couldn't wait to worship with the body of Christ. And this is going to be now this year, it's going to be 5,000. I mean, I guess it could be more than that. We'll see like, you know, what God's will is in that. But we're talking thousands and thousands of women from all over the country, probably all over the world that are going to be there, listening to teaching from the Word of God, being challenged, being encouraged, making lifelong friendships and worshiping together. Y'all, let me just tell you the set list that Francesca Battistelli and I agreed upon before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, before any of the evil events of last week, like, I would not change a thing.

And that just tells me God knew. I mean, obviously, but God knew not only what was going to happen, but, God knew what we needed. Like I would not change a single song that was chosen. That was agreed upon between Francesca and me because I just know that's exactly the words exactly what we need. So I just encourage you. I know that was long. I just, it's not a sales pitch. I just want you to be there. Like, I just want you to be encouraged. I want you to walk out like our attendees did last year when one said I walked out with zero fear of man. Man, that's what I want to feel right now. Zero fear of man. So please come to Share the Arrows.

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a doctor's appointment. I turned around and I went home. And my husband and I went straight to our closet and we prayed and we cried and we prayed, please Lord save Charlie and we begged over and over and over again. And then I got a text that he's alive, that he's got a pulse, that he might be stable. And then 30 minutes later, the words pop up on my screen, he's gone. It's been five days since I opened X and I saw my friend get shot in the neck for saying something true. Five days of writing waves of denial and sadness and anger of praying every minute for his incredibly brave wife, Erica, and their precious, precious children. I was reminded when I was seeing all of these pictures of Erica, which just broke my heart.

I was reminded of JFK when he was assassinated in 1963, and Jackie Kennedy, she reportedly stayed in her blood-soaked clothes, that pink Chanel suit that she was wearing all day. And everyone in the hospital, all the people who were serving her, they asked her repeatedly if she wanted to change. And she answered them, I want them to see what they have done to Jack. And I was reminded of that when Erica posted a video of herself at Charlie's Cascot. And golly, I don't know if I've ever seen anything more tragic than this. We see his hands. We hear her telling him that she loves him. And I saw some of the comments questioning this decision. But I think she wants the world to see and remember what was done to her husband, the father of her two young children, who will

never, never be held by their father again. It's been five days of seeing the most reprehensible people on earth, politicians, teachers, doctors, soldiers, professing Christians celebrate this or stay silent or caveat their response to Charlie's murder by listing all of their disagreements or all of the things they think that Charlie did wrong. And there are a few people in particular, and I'm going to talk to specifically, who all call themselves Christians at the end of this episode. It's been five days of seeing God do what he does, bring people to himself. stack the odds against himself to tear them down. I've seen Charlie's martyred blood water the seeds of revival,

and I've seen those seeds already begin to take root and sprout up. Charlie's unflinching boldness for the gospel is not for not. It has already ignited so much faith, so much hope and fierceness for the truth. It's brought people to their niece, to the pews, into their Bibles, many for the first time, many for the first time in a long time. I received a message. I received a lot of messages like this, but let me just read you one that I got. Someone sent to me, I wanted to share with you that because of Charlie, I read my Bible for the first time in a year.

She said, all of Matthew, and I'm getting baptized. There's been a massive change in the spiritual world, and we can all feel it. And then I saw this picture, or this is a comment actually on my tribute to Charlie on YouTube. And this person says, I think this has convinced me to go to church. And then this other incredible comment on my tribute to Charlie, which it's on my page, you can go watch it or listen to it if you haven't already. This person said, my six-year-old son decided to follow Jesus last night because of our conversations about Charlie Kirk's death. I asked him when he thought he should pray to repent and ask Jesus to save him.

And he said right now would be the best time. She says, father, thank you for Charlie Kirk's legacy. And then I saw this very interesting tweet from someone who posted a screenshot of her conversation with a friend. She said, my friend isn't religious, was not a Charlie Kirk follower. Nothing that you tell me at this point will make me doubt that God is real. So this person texted her, Kirk messed me up. I dreamed about him last night, which is weird. And she says, really, I'm telling you.

I barely listened to him. And it felt like someone I was friends with was murdered. And the person says, same. And she said, I'm reading that it's happening to a bunch of people. What did you dream? She's talking about the dreams. And he said, we were hanging out and talking. And she said, about what?

And he just said, Jesus. I'd be really interested to hear more stories of that, if that is the case for you. All over, I'm seeing these kinds of men. messages. I mean, no doubt, churches were fuller yesterday than they were the previous Sunday. I've heard that over and over again. I heard from so many of you that your pews were fuller, that there were spontaneous baptisms at your church, that people walked down to the altar and gave their lives to Christ, that you've had atheist, agnostic, seeking friends reach out to you, asking to come to church with you. I mean, what an honor, Charlie. Look at what God allowed your life and death to accomplish. Look at how many people God is bringing to him because you were obedient. What a testimony. I hope all of us have that testimony. I saw this terrible video.

There's a lot of terrible videos out there. I don't recommend watching them. And so it's probably just better to stay off of X and stay off of TikTok so you don't accidentally run into them. But this very normal looking woman, which is why it's more disturbing on TikTok, she was celebrating his death. And she said, Charlie Kirk is not martyr material. all and very few people will be impacted.

What a sad, small person and how wrong she is. I'm just going to play you back to back these vigils for Charlie around the world. And like this is the tiniest sliver. I couldn't play you all of them. It would probably take 30 minutes, even just to play the clips. Watch just a few of these vigils for Charlie around the world. We've got Sydney, Australia, Boise, Idaho, New York City, Dallas Cowboys game. I mean, there were so many more that I don't even have time to play you.

This is incredible. I knew that Charlie was popular. I knew that he had a lot of followers and he had a huge appeal. But the people I am seeing globally in every sector of society speaking up, it's unfathomable. Morgan Wallin honored Charlie at his concert. So did Colplay. And I think that's pretty amazing. Country concerts you kind of think are more conservative.

but I thought it was cool that Coldplay did this. Here's that clip. And so with that in mind, for the final time for a few years in London, let's raise our hands like this and send love anywhere you want to send it in the world. There are so many places that might need it today. So here it comes from London. You can send this to your brother or your sister. You can send it to the families of people who have been going through terrible stuff.

You can send it to Charlie Kirk's family. You can send it to anybody's family. You can send it to people you disagree with, but you send them love anyway. You can send it to peaceful people in the Middle East, Ukraine and Russia, Azerbaijan and Sudan, and Somalia, anywhere that you think might be love from London. Here it comes in five, four, three, two, one, go. Last night there was a vigil at the Kennedy Center in D.C. It's a huge deal. Just look at this. All these people lined up, all of these people waiting to go in. There were thousands of people. It was a Pact House. inside, a thousand plus people waiting outside. Look at this picture. We'll put it up of all these

people in the Kennedy Center, worshiping, honoring Charlie, sharing his Christian faith. And then watch this happening at the Kennedy Center. Sot 2. So beautiful. I also thought that this posted by Andrew Colvette was really cool. This pilot, they like, I guess created, he flew. in a way that created a cross and a C and a K just to honor Charlie Sop 3. Pilot paid his own tribute to Kirk this morning around 6.30 a.m. A flight tracking software shows the pilot flew in this pattern near Phoenix, creating a cross with a C and a K. They landed about an hour after taking off.

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That's Adelnaturalcosmetics.com code Alley. I personally have witnessed the Body of Christ come together in incredible ways. The number of people who have reached out to me just because I was his friend and because I say the same things that Charlie did has been incredibly humbling. People I haven't talked to in years, people I had no idea were remotely political telling me that they feel like it's like they lost a family member. I mean, they've offered prayers and encouragement and support. and I just want to say because I know a lot of you are worried about me.

You're worried about my safety. And to that, I just ask you to pray for us. Chief Relator Bro and I are not stupid. We are not naive at all. We are extremely cautious at all times. But I also want you to take heart that God is taking care of me and taking care of us through his people. I had someone reach out to me last week that I had not talked to in 15 years. And he offered security for us this weekend as we traveled for a speaking engagement to Nevada.

It was a pro-life gala. I was scared to go. But my husband and this guy stepped up and they ensured that we were totally and completely covered, even more than usual. You always have security, but even more than usual, every step of the way. And because of that, I was able to give everyone at that banquet the courage they needed. And I will share some of what I told them on Wednesday, Wednesday's episode is going to be super, super important, our theology episode, that the people in the

audience on Friday, they were affected by the death of this person they didn't know. I mean, we all felt it. It was thick in the room. Like, it was very somber. They applauded and cheered as soon as I said Charlie's name. The sadness in that room, the need for courage for hope was just palpable. You could have heard a pin drop for the entire 45 minutes of my speech. And it's, not because of me. I just could feel the Holy Spirit who wanted these people to hear words of courage. So God is working again. He's bringing his people together. He is working in and through us. And I'm just, I'm so, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for that. There are so many tributes to Charlie. So many people sharing videos of him sharing the gospel. There's so many, but I loved this one.

Your relationship with Christ is real and truer when you understand the stakes of the damnation that you were saved from. So what is the right message? Is it Jesus loves you or is that God condemns you? It should be that you need Jesus. It needs to be the one-two combo. There's so much more in that club that I didn't have time to play where he explains just the fullness of the gospel and what God is saving us from and to in Christ. Turning Point has seen an unbelievable surge in numbers. They have received over 32,000 chapter requests since Charlie's death.

32,000 individuals from thousands of high schools and colleges have reached out to start a turning point chapter. I saw this left wing outlet that said that Charlie Kirk's not going to become a martyr because people are going to forget about it. And while it's true that we're not all going to be crying the same amount in a couple weeks, besides, of course, his family and those who knew him very, very well, this misunderstands martyrdom, and it misunderstands momentum. Every avalanche has a trigger, a skier wind, a sudden shift in temperature, but after it starts, it's no longer the trigger that keeps it going. It's everything else. The snow, the slope, the perfect storm of factors that make an avalanche unstoppable. The trigger for the avalanche this time was Charlie's assassination, but even after we've shed all of our tears, the momentum will continue to accelerate. And I think Erica Kirk, Charlie's wife, made that really clear.

She gave a very brave, very moving speech on Turning Point's YouTube channel. And she clarified that Turning Point is not going anywhere. It's going to be bigger and better than ever. Here's stop five. Charlie, I promise I will never let your legacy die, baby. I won't. I promise I'll make Turning Point USA the biggest thing that this nation has ever seen. I promise.

I love you, baby. Rest in the arms of our Lord. As he blankets you with the words, I know your heart always strived to hear. Well done, my good and faithful servant. Now, if you're a progressive, you might scoff at that. But if you're smart, you might be a bit worried and honestly, you should be. You should be. Someone from your side, yes, every shred of evidence we have.

That is the case. Killed the most admired and best liked and most congenial and peaceable, agreeable person on the right, the person leading the way and trying to turn down the temperature with discussion and debate. He was murdered for that. I mean, Charlie was in so many ways the force that held back some of the worst people. Like, he was a gatekeeper in so many ways. And now you've got people who are having a different kind of discussion. They're having a different kind of suggestion for how we move forward.

Stephen Miller, he's very good friends with Charlie Kirk. I think Stephen Miller is like the best at things like this at just communicating the toughness that is necessary for perilous moments like this. And this, I'm not including him in extreme voices. I'm just letting you know that there is a conversation now that is very different than the one that was happening a week ago publicly. Here's SOTS. The last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me before he, He joined his creator in heaven, which he said that we have to dismantle and take on the radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. That was the last message that he sent me before that assassin stole him from all of us.

And we are going to do that. Under President Trump's leadership, I don't care how it could be a RICO charge, a conspiracy charge, conspiracy against the United States, insurrection. we are going to do what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities that are fomenting riots, that are doxing, that are trying to inspire terrorism and that are committing acts of wanton violence. It has to stop. And my message is to all of the domestic terrorists in this country spreading this evil hate. You want us to live in fear? We will not live in fear, but you will live in exile. That's absolutely right, as they should. I'm just letting you know, we are that these hotbeds of radicalization, Reddit, Discord, Tumblr, like, they're going to be

under intense scrutiny. Michael Knowles had a great post about the tightening guardrails of the marketplace of ideas because in order to have liberty, you have to have order. You have to have rules. I agree with Michael. I don't know exactly what that looks like. That'll be up to policy wonks that are more learned on this than I am. But I agree with that. Obviously, something has gone off rails here. And it'd be one thing if it was just a guy, if it was just one person. But I mean, just a couple days after Charlie Kirk was murdered, we have a Democratic Congresswoman who is slandering him, calling him a racist. Here's a seven. Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd

in the hands of Minneapolis police. I think he called him a scumbag. Right. Have no regard. Downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in this country. What are you even saying? She goes on to call him all kinds of iss and fobs and names and all of that. Really, after a young wife was widowed after two kids are now going to grow up fatherless because someone who follows your same ideology shot him, killed him? Really? I mean, that is radical.

I think people like her should be kept as far away from power and influence as possible. I think people like that are dangerous, wicked people. And it's not because they disagree with me. There's a lot of people who disagree, but because they celebrate. And you could say she's not celebrating there. But that is, I think, equivalent to excusing what happened to him. And you can't say, oh, I'm against violence, but let me lodge against them the worst possible insults to foment the same kind of hate that motivated his death.

Not every Democrat has responded this way. I just want to say that. There have been some really strong statements. I thought Bernie Sanders put out a really strong statement better than a lot of pastors I saw. Better than a lot of professing Christians. Bernie Sanders is an atheist. Okay, he's a progressive. He had a strong statement. I appreciated that. Gavin Newsome, it's hard for me to say, but he had a pretty strong statement. It doesn't mean, I think, that they're good people, but I respect their ability to put out strong condemnations of violence and extend sympathy to a family. A conservative on X is making an ongoing list of people who have unapologetically celebrated

publicly Charlie Kirk's death. She has first names, last names, where they work. I mean, they put this publicly out there, okay? So it's out there. and they put their name on celebrating on TikTok, on social media, the death of this person and saying he deserved it. We're not just talking about people who disagreed with him. Okay.

Most of these people on this list, teachers, professors, therapists, and nurses. Yikes. There's a whole analysis that we could give of that. But a lot of these people are now posting that they lost their jobs. I say good. It's 100% the right move. It's a character thing. Like if you are my employee, you're representing me, you're representing my business,

you're representing my hospital, and you have now hurt my reputation. You have brought me into disrepute. And plus, I don't think that if you have that character, that you should be around vulnerable people, that you should be around children. Like it is a liability in so many ways. And so it's not about cancel culture. It's about saying you have proven that you do not have the character and ability to carry out this job so you can't do it anymore.

And there have been, for example, Clemson University, who have given very weak statements, have not fired the people that they should fire. And we should raise a respectful ruckets for that. And we should put respectful and peaceful pressure on those institutions to do the right thing. It should be socially unacceptable to celebrate the assassination of someone, of anyone. But someone just because you disagreed with him, because he said true things that hurt your feelings, you're going to celebrate a father of two being murdered publicly? No. No. There have to be social consequences for that. period. And you see some of these videos and these horrid reactions and you think, okay,

like, this is what I was saying yesterday. I was like, I understand the flood now. I get it. Like Noah's Ark, that whole thing that people are like, oh, how could God do that? Can't you kind of see it? Like the death of human depravity is jaw dropping. And how merciful is God actually to have wiped wicked people off the planet and then preserve Noah and his family and all of those animals? That was really kind of God. It was a lie, by the way, when you heard from the Biden administration that violence in this country is mostly because of white supremacists. Like, it's laughable. It's laughable. Like, if that were the case, don't you think you'd hear about it?

Don't you think you'd hear about it? Whether it is the assault on pregnancy centers that happened after the Dobbs decision, whether it is the baseball field shooting of Steve Scalise who shot and tried and almost killed Steve Scalise because of this left-wing radicals beliefs about health. health care and what he thought about Republicans. The Covenant Christian school shooting, Annunciation, Catholic Church shooting in Minnesota, Trump's attempted assassination, now the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Like, I could go on and on. None by white supremacists, none by right wingers. In fact, a lot of these were by people who identified as transgender or in the case of Charlie's murder was living with this romantic partner who called themselves trans, which, by the way, is confirmed. It is confirmed. It was confirmed by Governor Spencer Cox of

Utah via the FBI. So let's place a eight. His roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from from male to female. That's that's information that the FBI had had mentioned yesterday. We can't confirm that as well and that that he is cooperating with with authorities as well. Okay. So let me just pause for a second. I just need to pause from going off on my rant and just talk about who this person was. I'm not going to put up a picture. I'm not going to say this person's name. But I want to dispel rumors here that this murderer was a Trump-loving conservative. By the way, if he was a Trump-loving conservative, I would have no problem condemning him, no problem condemning this violence just as fiercely as I am now knowing that he is a left-wing radical. The fact of the matter is,

he wasn't a conservative. He was raised by Republicans, apparently. Not hard to believe, considering the father did the noble thing of turning him in after seeing these pictures of the But according to the Guardian, according to CNN, according to the New York Times, he has no voting history. He said that Charlie Kirk was, quote, full of hate and spreading hate. He was critical of Trump. He was linked. This is now documented to far left Antifa online communities on Discord and Reddit. On his bulletin cases were things like, hey, fascist catch and Bella Chow, which are both

mottoes of anti-fascist groups online. Utah Governor Spencer Cox acknowledged that in the investigation, they have found that he was deeply indoctrinated with left-wing ideology. And no doubt, living with someone who is transitioning, who has the wrong hormones being pumped into their body played a part in this. Like Charlie was shot right as he was answering a question about transviolence. It's crazy. And I just want to pause for a second and remind you that every time you use someone's preferred pronouns that don't match their biology, you are affirming and accelerating the gender ideology that is responsible for this violent and murderous insanity. The social affirmation, which leads to cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers and surgeries,

are psychosis-inducing and demonic and leading to violence among this population. These are not one-offs. This is inherent in transgender activism and ideology. And because this is what Charlie was talking about when he was shot in the throat, pray for me. The truth matters. 2 plus 2 equals 4. A man can never become a woman. You can't be born in the wrong body.

It's not possible to identify as anything other than what you biologically are. I will not live a lie. I will not move on this even one centimeter because that is just as much a biblical reality as it is a biological one. And I am not nicer than God. I'm not wiser than him. I'm not more compassionate than him. So if he said it, I agree with it. And if you are too scared to say that clearly and publicly,

then it's not politics you're ashamed of. It is God himself. The Bible makes this abundantly clear. We are made in God's image, end of story. You know, when people say that Charlie wasn't a martyr, he was just maga. He just supported Donald Trump. That's not the same thing as Donald.

for your Christian faith. Charlie showed the gospel everywhere he went. I talked to his innermost circle this week who said he had been studying the Bible so fervently, especially for the past six months to get ready for this college tour because that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to be a better evangelist. He wanted to be a better apologist. He always told people about Jesus's love everywhere he went. Here's SOT 18. Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently. And if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has better plan for you. I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you. And he can transform your life. You transform my life.

And every day is a new day and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you. And God loves every single one of us. We're all sinners. And Jesus died for us. I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen. Well, thank you. That's very kind. And I can tell you, it's not me. If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming. It's the Holy Spirit. It really is. I know it might sound silly. It might sound cliche but Jesus has gone to work on my life and so God bless you guys thank you for a great Charlie thank you for coming okay that's to a bunch of adult film only fans people and that's just who Charlie was I mean how many of us how many of his critics out there would have been that bold and that loving and that gentle okay let me pause before I respond to some of the nonsense out there

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Okay. Okay. Sharon says so. I'm, you know, I've avoided talking about Sharon says so for a while. She's a, she's a progressive. I've known that for a long time, okay? And it's very obvious in how she talks, what she says, what she doesn't say.

And I know exactly this is what she does. She says something. And then when she gets criticism for it, she says that she is then getting like the threats. And so that shuts down the rest of her criticism. First of all, no one should get threats ever. Do not say in a disrespectful or a mean message or comment to anyone, never threaten. Don't ever do that.

Like use your brain, use your logic, use grace to speak the truth unflinchingly. Don't ever be disrespectful or rude or threatening in any way. But that is also not a reason to shut down fair criticism. Okay. Sharon says so. She decided just two days after Charlie Kirk was murdered that she was going to list all of his most controversial quotes without context to clearly make the point that Charlie was a racist and to try to justify people who are like, oh, I can't honor Charlie Kirk because he was a racist and he said all of these things. And so she went through all these things that he apparently said. Okay. So she's got this pose. It says Charlie Kirk in his own.

words. And then it's, I've seen many comments to the effect of Charlie was so kind to everyone. All he did was preach the gospel. But then she said, but if you're black or LGBTQ are Muslim, Charlie Kirk was not a person who engaged in good faith. Here are some of his direct quotes, which I took the time to watch or read it in full so as to understand them in context. Okay, Sharon says so. She says so. So you don't need to watch them or understand them in context. She did it for you. Just trust Sharon says so. She said. So she quotes him, if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. She says, this casts suspicion on all black professionals.

She quotes him saying, if I'm dealing with somebody in customer service, who's a moronic black woman, I wonder, is she there because of her excellence? Or is she there because of affirmative action? She also quotes him saying, Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. Okay, so these are the kinds of quotes that she uses to say that Charlie Kirk is a mean, bad, racist, and that that is why people cannot just honor him in death or just give condolences. Just give condolences to the family. Like, that is also an option.

Okay. So Julie Borowski, she took the time on X to put all of these quotes in context. And I just want to, I'm not going to read them all in full to you. I will link this Twitter thread in the description. of this episode, but I will do the best I can't. Like, I will read as much context as possible. And you know what? Don't take it from me. Because this, this is not called Ali Says So. As I always say, don't take it from me. Like, listen to me. I hope that I'm a springboard for you, but go. Go watch all of his shows. Go listen to all of this stuff. You can deduce what you

want to deduce. But she did not give the context that is necessary. And this is so disgusting and dishonorable to a man who was just assassinated for saying what is true. So a lot of people also have quoted Second Amendment thing where he said, I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths. And I just want to point this out. I don't think Sharon says so said this. But he said some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our God given rights. So he actually says this is in full context. He says the Second Amendment is not about hunting.

I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not about personal defense. It is about so you can defend yourself against a tyrannical gun. government. If you think that that's radical, then read any of the literature of our founding fathers and the 20th century. Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price. And that is part of liberty. Liberty, driving comes with a price. 50,000 people die on the road every year. That is a price. If you get rid of driving, you would have 50,000 fewer auto fatalities. But we as a lot of driving. But we as a lot of, we as

as a society have decided that the benefit of driving, speed accessibility, mobility is worth the cost of having 50,000 people dying on the road. And so then he goes on to how do we reduce. How do we stop school shootings? How do we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why, how did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of the airports. So he goes on to give solutions. He's not saying that he wants children to die. He's not saying that he wants people to be shot. He is saying everything comes with the cost. Every bit of liberty comes with a risk and comes with the cost. And I just want to say, by the way, and this again is outside of Sharon says so, but if you are calling him a, he can't

be a fascist and a Second Amendment advocate. Okay, because fascist advocate for disarming the populace and making sure only the government has guns. He has literally saying the opposite. Okay. So think just a little bit. People are also pointing out this empathy quotes where he said, I can't stand the word empathy. I'm not even going to get into that right now. He says we should use sympathy. And you know how I feel about that term. He, okay, this black pilot, he said, if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

I'm sorry. He says, I'm sorry. Andrew Colvette says, but you wouldn't have said that before. And Charlie Kirk says, that's not who I am. That's not what I believe. It creates his unhealthy thinking pattern. He's talking about DEI in affirmative action. He says, I don't want to think that way and no one should, right? And he said to Megan Kelly, I was trying to be very vulnerable with the audience that DEI invites this very unwholesome thinking. He says in the clip, that's not who I am. That's not what I believe. But DEI makes us the worst versions of ourselves. The point of what I'm trying to say is that now I look at everything through a hyper racialized diversity quota lens because of their massive to try to hit those ridiculous racial hiring quotas. Of course I believe anybody of any skin color can become a qualified pilot. And of course, that is true.

Of course that is true. When you have something like United Airlines saying we have to have 50% of all of our pilots be people of color and women. And you know that at best you've got 20% in all pilot schools that are women and people of color, you're kind of like, okay, the math is not, the math is not mapping. Now, when he talks about moronic black women, I'm sure he's also talked about moronic white women. Maybe you don't like that tone. Maybe you don't like what he said, but he's not saying all black people are dumb. He was never like that. He was not a racist. He loved all people, but he was against affirmative action. He was against anything that was not merit-based. And some people, regardless of their

skin color, are moronic. Like when he was talking about, he was talking about. He was against. He was against anything. He was talking about Joy Reed and Kamala Harris, like they have said some very moronic, depraved things. Like he didn't say they're not made in the image of God and they shouldn't have rights, but he's saying they probably shouldn't be where they are because they didn't actually earn it. When he talks about Islam, not being compatible on the whole with Western civilization, I mean, spot the lie. The greatest terrorist attack on our nation was perpetrated by Islamists. There are peaceful individual Muslims.

he would say that all the time, but Islam inherently is violent-based. It is jihad-based. That is its entire history. The American system was based originally on Christianity. The first major war America waged was against Muslims, the first Barbary War. Those Americans understood the future of Western civilization. They understood that it depended upon protecting their people from Islam. That's not radical.

That is not a radical belief that has been known for a very long time. And you know, whether or not you agree with what he said, whether or not you think he had the right tone or the nice words, whatever, picking apart and decontextualizing everything that someone said that you find offensive two days after they die is disgusting. It is an invitation for Charlie's dissenters to justify their callousness towards his assassination. And I would never do that. I would never do that to Sharon says so. I would never do that to my political enemies, period. Here's what I said when Ruth Bader Ginsburg was in the hospital in 2018. I said Ruth Bader Ginsburg is relentless, serious respect for her toughness and praying for her recovery.

So not difficult that even the person that all of these people think is so evil and so callous, like he gave a better and more respectful response to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death than they did toward Charlie Kirk. And I promise you they were just as much enemies as you are. as liberals are with Charlie Kirk. Here's Sotnine. She just died? Wow. I didn't know that.

I just, you're telling me now for the first time. She led an amazing life. What else can you say? She was an amazing woman. Whether you agreed or not, she was an amazing woman who led an amazing life. I'm actually sad to hear that. I have said to hear that.

Thank you very much. I promise you. I disagree with RBG just as fiercely as progressive, disagree with Charlie Kirk. I think her ideas were deeply harmful. Caused violence and death against babies in the womb. Absolutely reprehensible. But she's a person.

She was made in God's image. She lived a remarkable life. And she left behind people who loved her. Like it is so not hard. It is so not hard to be a decent person when someone passes. You've got inside thoughts. You keep them inside. But unfortunately, some people just cannot muster that strength, even people who call

themselves Christians. Emmanuel Occo, he hosted that uncomfortable conversations with the black man. I think he perpetuated all kinds of insanity, especially during 2020. Well, he has something to say a couple days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, Satin. Refer to Asian individuals by the C word, a word too violent for me to even utter. Refer to Michelle Obama and Katanji Brown Jackson of the Supreme Court, both Harvard graduates is not having the brain processing power to be taken seriously. Suggested that if seeing a black pilot would assume they were a DEI higher.

To my white brothers and sisters, I'm genuinely asking, how would you like your minority friends to respond to the celebration of his life? Not to his death, but to the celebration. of his life. Okay, can I just correct something for a second? So he plays this video of Charlie Kirk saying, I can't even say it because I'm like, now someone's going to clip this out and they're going to say me saying it.

He is saying someone's name. That is someone's name that he is talking to in the audience. He is not saying a derogatory term for Chinese people. My gosh, that is so evil. He is talking to chink Unger. Okay, I think that's how he pronounce his last name. is a left wing guy from the young Turks who has actually had like a pretty decent response to Charlie Kirk.

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You have no place to talk about what Christians should or shouldn't say. Not right now. Nope. You have propelled the lies of white supremacy and white privilege. You have talked about the murder of babies in the womb like it's some nuanced, complicated issue, refusing to stand up for babies right not to be murdered. Those are image bearers of God. And I just, I want you to ask yourself, I want you to ask yourself before you go after a man, days after he was assassinated, have you lived above reproach? Have you lived in sexual purity? Have you handled your money correctly? I don't know. Can you honestly say that you live in a way in private and in public that people after you die would say is above reproach? Those are honest questions. I don't know the answer to them. But I'm just saying, do you want your sins real or perceived to be aired out on social media? I, someone who thinks that what you have propagated over the past few years actually is dangerous because it affects policy that damages society, I would never do that to you. Charlie would have never done that.

to you. We went back and forth on Instagram after I said something about this video. And you know what? Christ can give him the grace that he needs, but I was not about to do a kumbaya. I'm just not. Like, you don't need forgiveness for me on that, but I'm not going to back down on that. That was awful. That was awful. It was an awful thing to do, especially at this time. Ben Watson is a pro-life activist. I'm grateful for that. He has done a lot of good work in that realm. Very grateful.

But he's gotten into a lot of arguments with conservatives, including me over things like race and social justice. We don't see eye to eye on quite a few things. And I don't like how he has talked about many of those things. So I was not at all surprised by his statement. Many of you were, though, which is why you sent it to me. You asked me to respond. So it's a long statement.

And again, I'll put all of it up. You can read it. I can't read it all. But you can go on there. Zero desire to decontextualize anything he has to say. So again, you can read the whole thing there. He said, since hearing the murder of Charlie Kirk and seeing such unjustifiable graphic violence, my heart has been torn in my spirit uneasy. He said he wasn't a fan or follower of Charlie. He was aware of his influence. He said that he respects his humanity and right to dialogue. He says, my critique of his words and opinions was pointed. I found. Charlie's verbal attacks on black men, women, and their achievement reprehensible and utterly inexcusable. His derogatory words were a form of violence and dehumanization. He routinely amplified stereotypes and platformed prejudice, giving license to masses with similar sentiments. He did this while routinely proclaiming the name of Jesus. He said that he's wrestling with this. Charlie's record is reminiscent of an American Christianity that proclaimed freedom and hope in Christ while clamping fetters of iron, law and tradition, and practice on black Americans. Okay, so akin to people who owns slaves, it is what abolitionist Frederick Douglass described when he lamented the distinction between Christianity of Christ and the Christianity of the land. Now, he says, empathy compels me to understand the emotional outpouring of the millions who identified with his conviction, saw him as a son, brother, leader, and friends.

I mourn with him. Yet a faithful, honest recollection of his work cannot deny his heirs and their harmful impact not only on fellow image bears and their families, including my own, but to the truth of the gospel. He said it's no reason to celebrate. It's an evil act. Charlie was an image bearer. I believe that he believes all of these things. And obviously he said some things that are true. But let me just be honest, I find this statement absolutely vile. Cruel, callous, dehumanizing. Behind all of that nuance, there is such truly, I believe, in ugliness here that is really wicked. Number one, Charlie's words were violence, he says. Like, I want to address that first of all.

I was gobsmacked when I saw that. Let us take that, that statement to its logical conclusion. If words are literally violence, are forms of violence, then killing someone for what they say is self-defense. And, like, I just want you to know that this line of thinking is exactly what got. Charlie Kirk killed. That is very likely exactly what the person who murdered Charlie believed that Charlie's belief in, for example, the existence of male and female was so radical that it amounted to violence. I see this all over from transgender activists that people denying the ability to transition genders is the same as saying that trans people should all be murdered so they're

fighting back. Bin is like them, whether he realizes it or not, saying words are violence. But this time it's Charlie's words about race and DEI. Words are not violence. Violence is violence. If words and opinions are violence, Ben, then you are laying the groundwork for justifying an out-and-out civil war, something I know you and I both don't want. You have just added to the foundational justification for Charlie Kirk's assassination by saying that his words are violence. You could have said you didn't like his words. You could have said that you disagreed. I still don't think it's a good time to do that. but instead you said that his words were violence shame on you number two charlie was not hateful he was not prejudiced not even a little bit if you listen to him as a whole um if you listen to him

in context you will see that he had no animus toward it in any individuals but he did have a problem with how our system works when it comes to race and that is a belief that millions and millions of completely non-hateful americans hold you cited nothing ben you gave no context you lodged these insults a dead man for his widow and his children to read one day. Number three, even if all of that were true what Ben said, it is not the time. You are allowed to have those thoughts, but to add them to commentary two days after a husband and father and brother in Christ dies. Why? Number four, this is really important for us to remember. Really important for all of us to remember, okay? you are not perfect okay ben you have said your fair share of things that people may find rude

offensive and untrue bin if god forbid you are giving a speech eloquently defending the dignity of unborn life like i've seen you do and some left wing degenerate evil demonic person attacks you leaving your wife widowed and your children without their daddy how would you like people to remember you. What kind of pulse would you want your wife and your children to see one day? I know exactly what I would say about you. I would unequivocally condemn your murder. I would pray fervently for your family. I would point to all the wonderful true things that you've said about life and the gospel. I would think about what a huge loss is being felt by the people who love you. And I would do what I could to honor you and honor them. What I would not do, Ben, is bring up all of the times

we've disagreed. I would not bring up the time that you made fun of a fellow Christian and pro-lifer Virgil Walker because you didn't like something he said about Charlie Dates. I wouldn't bring up the time. You told me that I am idolatrous because I called Barack Obama evil for celebrating Roe v. Wade. Let me remind you that you have been in bad form many times on social media over the past five years. You have said things that are not becoming for a Christian, your support of certain ideas and justice policies, I believe are actually very damaging for society. Yet if you died, I would say nothing about any of those things. Why?

Because as wrong as I think you are, as much as I think you have lacked in some way, self-control in online debates, you are a person, presumably a brother in Christ, and you have a wife who adores you and children who admire you and people who love you. And they don't need to see accusations against your character right after you die because it helps nothing. And you know what? You know what I know for sure? Charlie would have done the same.

He would have honored you. If it had happened to you, Charlie would have come to your complete defense, defended your honor, reached out to your family to see what he could do. He would have highlighted that you and him shared the passion for the dignity of the unborn. He would have kept no account of your wrongs nor held them against you. But that's because Charlie was a really kind person. And he was filled with the Holy Spirit. And Ben, I don't know if you realize how much Charlie actually did for the unborn.

I'm in a group text with Charlie and all these other pro-lifers and during the election and during the first days of the administration. Like we would advocate to Charlie. We'd be like, please tell Trump this, make sure that this person is there in front of them. Make sure he knows this position on life. And, y'all, that was one of Charlie's top priorities to push and push and push the campaign and the administration. toward life. Now, he was only one person and Trump has a mind of his own. And so he did everything that he could to champion the cause of the unborn to this administration. So even if you took issue with the other things that he said, like, can we not just take a moment? I mean, maybe a week to show

him the dignity and the respect that he deserves as a brother of Christ and a fellow pro-lifer. man I was so I wasn't surprised but man I was so disappointed in that I know maybe some of you thought that it was fine I mean I thought that it was absolutely vile timing horrible horrible just very callous in my opinion it's an option not to say anything I think that we should all be saying something but you know some people who didn't have an opinion on it or maybe had a negative opinion they just didn't say anything more respect but man to call someone without citation without evidence a racist days after his poor wife buried him after his three-year-old asked her mom where's daddy and the mom has to say on a work trip with jesus days after that call a man a racist that's not nuanced that's just me

and I'm not okay with it. There are so many videos I can play of people, black, white, immigrant, non-immigrant, all different kinds of people saying this is what Charlie did for me. This is what he said to me. This is how he loved me. This is how he supported me. Charlie was my good friend.

All of these things from people who look all different kinds of ways. Messages Charlie sent opportunities he gave them. Charlie did not care about the color of someone skin. Actually, he fought really hard against some people on the fringes who believe that there is some DNA inherent difference between black and white people. Like he, there are some radicals, crazy people who believe that. And Charlie fought against that because he believed so strongly that all people are made in God's image. But everyone should have to work the same amount for the opportunities that they get. That's what Charlie believed.

Erica said in her speech that his favorite word was Earn. And I think that's behind everything he said. He just wanted people to earn what they have. And isn't that a good word for all of us? Okay, I've got one more ad. And then I'll just play you this tribute that I found touching from actually the New York Times to close out. Last sponsor for the day is Hillsdale. There are very few universities that are carrying on this legacy that not only Charlie carried on,

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to learn more about what this country is really about Hillsdale.edu slash relatable. All right, let's go ahead and close out with Sought 11. He actually played a big role in how I thought about politics and how I put politics and God together. One day I was scrolling on TikTok. It was probably like 2020. And I found him and I really just loved what he was saying. I think her finding him helped her develop that sense of confidence. This will affect us. I wanted to come put like balloons or flowers. Pay my respects. All right. On Wednesday, really important episode, a call to courage. And we're going to be looking in scripture to see how we should be thinking, how we should be feeling and how we move forward.

And so I'll see you guys back here then. Have a great rest of your week.