Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1323 | ‘Love Is Blind’: Best & Worst, OnlyFans Mogul Dies & the UK Needs a Pro-Life Miracle

Starting point is 00:00:00 What can love is blind teach us about the importance of having children and the importance of Christian marriage? Today we will discuss. Also, the owner of only fans has died. There is a lot to learn from his life, his legacy, the judgment that he now faces, but also the hope that we have in the gospel will also be talking to my friend Lila Rose about the decriminalization of abortion in the UK. We've got all of this and much more on today's episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far. If you haven't gotten your Share the Arrow's tickets, go ahead and get them now, y'all. We are going to probably, hopefully, by the grace of God, run out of tickets before October 10th. That is when Share the

Starting point is 00:00:53 Arrows is happening. This is our annual Christian Women's Conference. This is our third year. Hopefully it's going to be even better than the years past, although that is really difficult because the Holy Spirit has filled those rooms. I can't even imagine it being better than it has been. You guys are going to love the speakers, love the worship. You'll make lifelong friendships. This is gospel-centered, no-fluff Christian teaching conference. Go to share the arrows.com. Get your tickets today. All right. Let's get into everything that we've got to talk about today. They are all connected, and I love when all of my subjects are connected in one way. All right. First, we've got to talk about the most serious or I guess it's a competition for what is the most serious issue that we're talking about

Starting point is 00:01:37 today. But when you're talking about people's eternal destination and eternal judgment, I would say there's a lot of gravity that comes with that. I want to talk about two men who profited off of the exploitation and women and children for many years of their life, that they have both now died in the same week. So I want to ask some questions. How did these men become heroes in our society. How should Christians react when wicked people like these people die? And how does the gospel inform what we think about abusers, what we think about justice for abusers? The first of these two men is the now deceased owner of Onlyfans. His name was Leonid Radvinsky. He died this week at the age of 43 following a cancer battle. And just a little bit about this person, I didn't know anything about him.

Starting point is 00:02:30 and I never asked who owns the adult content site only fans, but it turns out that he had actually been in the illicit online content industry since the late 90s. He operated a network of websites that advertised access to hacked passwords of adult websites. So this is something he was doing early 20s, late teens in his life. These websites often promised illegal content to attract clicks. These sites made him millions of dollars.

Starting point is 00:02:58 And then in 2000, his site passwords, Universe published a link claiming to offer pedophiles, more than 10,000 illegal preteen passwords. Another one of Radovinsky's, I think I'm pronouncing his name right, one of his sites had a link for the hottest underage, hard core containing 16-year-olds. Okay, so this is how he built his empire. This is how he made millions of dollars, not just through technology, not just through your run-of-the-mill, depraved pornography, but child sexual exploitation. His site Ultra passwords promised a link containing the best illegal teen passwords. And it's really hard to even read some of this stuff, but he promoted things like beastiality,

Starting point is 00:03:41 literally all kinds of sexual depravity on these websites. Now, here is also another side of this is that he wasn't just openly promoting sexual degradation of women, children, and animals. There is also a deceptive side of this because there's no evidence that these passwords actually gave access to illegal material. Instead, the model appears to have relied on affiliate-style traffic generation, directing users to partner sites in exchange for revenue. And so I assume that is how he has skirted the law. That was why he was able to die at the age of 43, a free man and not in prison. He continued working throughout his life within the online adult industry in 2018. He purchased

Starting point is 00:04:24 only fans, which at the time was a relatively small subscription-based platform. There were 13 million users in 2019, which is already huge. But then after Rivenski purchased the company, the site expanded rapidly, it became closely associated with paid porn content. I guess that's not always what it was, but after he owned the company that became, that became its bread and butter attracted a large global user base. It is the subscription-based platform for those of you who don't know where creators sell exclusive content directly to fans.

Starting point is 00:04:59 it is very often, in fact, I think at least in the public conscious, it is almost exclusively sexually explicit content. It has become super successful since he took over. It's generated hundreds of millions in revenue, attracting millions of creators, tens of millions of paying users. It took off really because of COVID lockdowns and there's like such a lesson there about isolation and loneliness and purposelessness and how this leads people to seek fleeting pleasure in some kind of superficial companionship and online pornography. I think the thing about OnlyFans that is different also than just like going to Pornhub or something like that is that the user sometimes feel like they've built a relationship

Starting point is 00:05:44 with this person and it's more curated to a specific niche of an audience. And so you could see why a bunch of these lonely men and it is vast majority of men during this very lonely isolated time would turn to these sexual, superficial internet relationships via OnlyFans. Payne subscribers surged by over 500% to reach 82 million. In November 2020, OnlyFans generated $400 million in revenue, a 540% increase from the previous year. 80% coming from U.S. users. The number of creators grew nearly five-fold to 1.6 million. That's 1.6 million people in the world selling their bodies for money. Rivenski, during this time, he became a billionaire.

Starting point is 00:06:31 He became a billionaire in 2021. He more than doubled his net worth to $4.7 billion by the time of his death. He eventually was making $1.9 million a day from people selling their bodies, people buying the bodies, really just images and videos of the bodies, of image bears of God. I mean, what a dirty business. And it also just goes to show that my. money, not only can't buy you happiness, we know that to be true, but it can't buy you health. And it can't help you skirt death.

Starting point is 00:07:03 The success of OnlyFans and its deception of its creators is staggering. In the late 90s, it was estimated that there were more about 1,600 porn actors, mostly based in L.A. Today, OnlyFans alone host over 4.6 million creators with almost a million new creator accounts created in the last year alone, meaning that over 2,500 creators sign up each day. and these girls are lured by stories of these top creators. We've talked about some of their ridiculous stunts in the past, and there was even one who claimed to recently become a Christian, but then at the same time was like,

Starting point is 00:07:36 I'm not going to stop doing what I'm doing. So a little confused about that testimony, I guess we'll see about that. But very famous women who get lots of Instagram followers, get lots of sponsorships in addition to the money that they're making from subscriptions and these impressionable girls, teenagers, 20-year-olds, think that they're going to be able to do the same thing. They think that they're going to be able to gain financial independence and fame from OnlyFans, but the average creator on OnlyFans only earns $131 a month.

Starting point is 00:08:05 I mean, one of the reasons that not many users are making a lot of money is actually, I think probably because there are so many viewers of pornography that, and so many creators for pornography, really. Like that's really what it is. There are so many creators now. The democratization of pornography, if you will, has actually probably made it more difficult for the creators to make more money. But there are a lot, a lot of people who are consuming pornography, about 67% to 78% reportedly

Starting point is 00:08:39 of U.S. men report having used pornography at some point. I had to double check this number because it is so stunning, but I found that 87% of men between 18 and 35 in the U.S. 87% report watching porn at least once a week. This has enabled just new levels of depravity. I mean, you can argue whether it's a supplier or a demand issue. I mean, both are sinful. You're sinful for supplying it, but you're also sinful for demanding it.

Starting point is 00:09:13 I mean, I don't think that there's going to be a supply. If there's not a demand, you could say there's not going to be a demand if there's not a supply, I actually think it's the first. Like, I don't think that there's going to be as much of a supply if there weren't such a high demand among men for pornography. And then you have people like Lily Phillips. That's the person I was talking about earlier who said that she became a Christian. I pray to the Lord. That's true. But she famously slept with 100 men and 24 hours. She's this big only fan star. And now she wants to break the world record of sleeping with 919 men in a day. And so when you combine virality, which only fans does, and being able to make millions and millions of dollars, the fame, the success, the prominence with selling your body for sex, I mean, it is just unfathomable to most of us, just the levels of degradation that people will, that people will go to.

Starting point is 00:10:10 And then, of course, you've got the abuse behind all of this. It's not just this glamorous life of consensual adults consuming and selling sex, according to a survey of only fan seekers, 6% of respondents self-disclosed that traffickers helped create and market their only fans account. 11% were aware of minors with accounts. 30% received private messages from suspected traffickers. 34% reported negative physical mental health outcomes. Of course that's true.

Starting point is 00:10:40 A 2024 Reuters investigation found that over 100, 20-plus police complaints in the U.S. involved explicit content posted without consent. Case files examined by Reuters also cited more than 200 explicit videos and images of kids. I can't even describe, I can't even read the last sentence, but explicit sexual rape interactions with children. All sexual interaction with children is rape and assault. Like I just want to make sure that you know that. So that's why I don't even like using the phrase child pornography. not pornography. It is the sexual abuse of children that people are making money off of.

Starting point is 00:11:20 So this person made his fortune off of this, off of at least in the first decades of his career trying to tempt people towards accessing child sex abuse material. He made money off of child sex abuse material, sex abuse of adults, the exploitation and the objectification of bodies. That is his legacy. And now he has met his maker. So I get more on that in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor for the day. It's WeHeart Nutrition. In this very dark world, we want to be able to support companies that are part of the light, that are lights in the darkness and that are doing good by glorifying God and not only the products they make, how they treat their customers, how they lead their families, but also what

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Starting point is 00:14:01 and those buying their bodies that they can do these things without consequence. Just give your body and there's only upside. You'll get money. You'll get fame. You'll get pleasure. And that is exactly how Satan works. He exaggerates the benefits and downplays the consequences of sin. And it's the same story that we see.

Starting point is 00:14:19 going all the way back to the Garden of Eden, just eat this fruit and you'll be like God, you will not surely die. There is some truth, of course, to what Satan said to Adam and Eve. There is, there was a new knowledge that was accessed by Adam and Eve when they ate of the fruit, a knowledge that at that point only God seemingly had, the knowledge, for example, that they were naked, the knowledge that disobedience to God comes with shame. And it was true that they didn't die immediately. But what did Satan obscure? That the knowledge of good and evil would spiral into millennia of brutality and bloodthirst. That there would be pain, there would be punishment, there would be separation from God, that not that day, but one day they would actually die,

Starting point is 00:15:01 that the perfect fellowship that they had with their creator and creation would end. And Satan does something really similar when he tempts Jesus in the wilderness. He uses God's own word to try to convince Jesus to bow down to him. But Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, refuse Satan's misuse of scripture with a proper use of scripture and he refuses to obey the devil. Understanding the Bible and theology really matters. There's lots to be learned there. Temptation when coupled with half truths, promises of pleasure and satisfaction and self-glory when accompanied by loneliness or desperation or isolation is really hard to resist. The good news is this. That's all the bad news. But the good news is that God is really good,

Starting point is 00:15:41 that he is really gracious, that he loves us so much, and he loves us so much that he gives us parameters and rules for our body that are good for us. Before the fall, he gives us the model for what healthy sex looks like in Genesis 1, when he marries Adam and Eve, one man, one woman, and tells them to have children. Multiply, have dominion over the earth. Our earthly union of marriage is reflective of the eternal marriage between Christ and his bride, the church as we read in Ephesians 5. That's how important it is. That's how beautiful it is. And that's not to say that only a marriage, you can have satisfaction or obey God, but that is the only context where you can have healthy sexuality and sexual relations. Everywhere else in scripture, we read that we must flee sexual immorality, that we should avoid it at all costs. We should run away from it like Joseph ran away from Potipher's wife. Jesus actually says that it's better to pluck out your eye. It is. It is.

Starting point is 00:16:40 better to pluck out your eye than to lust after a woman who is not your wife. 1 Corinthians 618 through 20 really sums this up. It says, flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you are bought with a price.

Starting point is 00:17:06 So glorify God in your body. this Christian idea of the body as sacred is seen throughout scripture. Yes, that we are made bodily by God in his image, but then also that we have a savior that came to earth bodily, that he is Emmanuel God with us, that he became a human or he took on human form, that he rose again bodily, that we are promised a resurrection of the bodies,

Starting point is 00:17:35 that we will have not only a paradise one day, but we will have a new heaven and a new earth. The physical, the bodily really matters to the Lord who created us. It's the opposite message, actually, that we hear from the world. And you'll hear from worldly people that it's actually Christianity that denigrates pleasure or denigrates the body. No, no, no. We have such a sacred view of the body. It's the world that thinks that the body is just an object to be commercialized, to be

Starting point is 00:18:05 sold, to be lusted after, to simply make money off of. This guy, Rivensky, just like all of us, he must stand before the Lord. He must stand before the judgment seat of God and give an account for promoting these things. And unless he repented before death, he will pay for his sins forever and ever. I mean, it is really clear throughout Scripture that it is no small thing to tempt people, especially Christians, to sin. I think of Jesus's words in Matthew 186, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Jesus said that would be a better fate. Think about how awful that would be. I mean, that would be a terrible, terrible fate for anyone.

Starting point is 00:18:55 And he said, no, that's actually better. It's better that you do that or have that consequence than what is actually coming for you if you are the source of temptation for the little ones who believe in Christ. Wow, that's a really big deal. Quick pause to tell you about seven weeks coffee, a very fitting sponsor because this is a pro-life coffee company at seven weeks gestation. That baby inside the womb is just the size of a coffee bean. Yet he or she is fully made in God's image worthy of protection. That's why seven weeks coffee donates a percentage of every sale to pregnancy centers across the country. They have now donated well over a million dollars to pregnancy centers. So they really put their money where their heart is, but they're also offering you amazing coffee,

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Starting point is 00:20:27 He has now died in prison at the age of 85. Sources estimate that 15,000 abortions were carried out over his 31-year career, 15,000 babies. He was convicted in 2013 on several counts of murder that included the killing of three infants after they were born, late-term abortions that were illegal, and then the death of a mother during an abortion procedure, which he botched. I mean, it's not really that surprising that he wasn't a great medical provider. He didn't really care about the sanctity of life or the protection of his patients. Prosecutors in the case were able to prove that babies were born alive.

Starting point is 00:21:03 I'm just warning you. This is really hard to listen to. During illegal late-term procedures, these infants were then killed after birth by severing their spinal cords with scissors. Staff testified this was routine and even had a nickname called Snipping. That's according to the Associated Press. The grand jury also described how babies would be moving, breathing, making sounds after delivery. One infant reportedly was left alive for an hour before being killed. And these are just stories from one person. I testified before Congress back in 2019 in favor of Trump's pro-life measures that his administration had been taking the first time around. And I told story after story of how pro-abortion law had led to not only the mistreatment of children inside the womb, but mistreatment of their mothers and the abuse and the slaughter of babies outside the womb.

Starting point is 00:22:00 I told the story of this nurse named Jill Steenak, who found this little 22-week-old baby who had just been aborted alive and dying in a supply closet. And he had been aborted because he had Down syndrome. Y'all, I don't even think we understand how often this stuff happens. This guy just happened to be caught. Investigators found that his facility was filled with bags and bottles of babies and jars of body parts. He cracked jokes, according to the grand jury, about babies whose necks he had just slit. That's according to the New York Post.

Starting point is 00:22:37 And so not because of the abortions that he committed, but because of the murder of the babies outside of the womb, because of his negligence toward the mother, he was serving three consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. I saw a user on X that he posted that at the time, the media refused to cover this. And there is this picture that I guess was going around reported at the time of the press pool at Gosnell's trial. You can see it right there and how few reporters showed up. They didn't want to cover it because they don't want to show people the reality of the abortion industry, the injustice, the brutality, the violence that always goes on in abortion. Okay?

Starting point is 00:23:22 Remember that this guy operated legally for years and he was enabled to do that because of pro-abortion law. Because of course, if you don't care about killing a baby at 20 weeks, why morally would you care about killing a baby who's a little bit bigger, a little bit more developed? I mean, really, time, size, we expect those to be good arbiters or good determinants of someone's morality. We expect those things to have the power to place moral limits on a person that's okay with murdering a helpless child.

Starting point is 00:23:55 Of course not. And it also just goes to show like, how we don't have a good sense of consistent morality in the United States or maybe really anywhere that it's an illegal atrocity to kill babies minutes after they're born, but not minutes before that, not months before that. Really, we're going to allow time and size and location to determine whether or not a human is worth living, whether or not a human is really a person. Not me. Not me. I'm not willing to do that. That's way too arbitrary. That's, that's, that's, that's, It's trusting in myself way too much. I think the safest place that I can start is believing that

Starting point is 00:24:34 all people are people from the moment of conception. And to just be on the safe side, I'm going to advocate for protecting them and not murdering them, no matter their size, age, or location. So he made his money. He made his fame. Exploiting women, convincing women, again, that this is not that big of a deal, that this is not really a baby, exploiting their bodies. harming their bodies and then killing the children. And in some ways, like this is always the logical outcome of a culture that not only degrades baby life, but degrades a woman's body. Degrade sex is something that is not sacred.

Starting point is 00:25:16 I mean, self-worship, the worship of the self, the worship of sex is always going to lead to child sacrifice. And so these people really go hand in hand. And obviously, both of them have now met their maker. met their creator and unless there was repentance before they died there will be eternal judgment we've got some verses on that that show us really clearly revelation 21 8 but as for the cowardly the faithless the detestable as for murders the sexually immoral sorcerers idolaters and all liars their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur which is the second death galatian 6 7 through 8

Starting point is 00:25:55 do not be deceived god is not mocked for whatever one so that he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life. Nahum one three, the Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty. Okay, so the Lord cares about sin. He cares about the shedding of innocent blood.

Starting point is 00:26:23 He cares that his people are avenged. He cares enough to do something about evil and Jesus is coming back and we'll take care of all of it. But in the meantime, there is punishment for those who die in sin, for those who die without repentance. Now, the radical news is also that if these two people on their deathbed, put their faith in Christ, if Christ saved them before they die, no matter what they've ever done, they are in heaven right now. like they are in fellowship with the saints and the members of the household of God, they have been completely forgiven. And it's that message that is very confusing for people that, yes, Jesus even took the

Starting point is 00:27:03 punishment for them upon the cross. If by grace through faith, they have been saved. And we don't know that. I can actually hope that because the reality is if we read some of those verses, like in Revelation, it's not just the sexually immoral. It's not just the pornographer. It's not just the abortionist. It's not just the murder, it's the cowardly.

Starting point is 00:27:24 I've been cowardly. It's the faithless. I've been faithless. It's the idolater. I've probably idolized something that I shouldn't have. Their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. So if I want grace for me and I want grace for the people I know, then gosh, grace has to be big enough to also cover these detestable people that we've talked about today.

Starting point is 00:27:47 That is the radical message of the gospel. I think of the thief on the cross in Luke 23, verses 42 through 43. And the thief on the cross said, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise. Paul says, who of course persecuted Christians, murdered Christians, approved of the execution of Christians before, when he was Saul, before he became Paul, 1 Timothy 1 15 through 16.

Starting point is 00:28:15 He says, the saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the foremost. But I received mercy for this reason that in me as the foremost Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. 1 John 1 9 says it's so simple. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, all unrighteousness. So I hope that's a comfort to you. Probably none of you hopefully fit into the category of the two men that we talked about today. But some of you might be feeling like you're too far off, like you've done too much. Like you've gone too far. Like, you know, it hasn't been a

Starting point is 00:28:58 straight line from A to B that you were a Christian, you wandered off, and now you're wondering if God can accept you back. And look, God's grace is big enough. He's big enough for all of it. And he has the power to help you repent and to not be a slave to sin anymore. The gospel is for you, too. And I'm just so thankful. I'm thankful for God's judgment. People are very uncomfortable with the reality of hell and eternal punishment. And then you read about people like this and you're like, okay, well, I'm glad that the bad guy gets his come up and at some point. But also, I'm so thankful for the gospel that His Grace also applies to me through faith as much as it can apply to anyone else who puts their faith in him. All right. We got more to talk about.

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Starting point is 00:31:34 Now, not everything is a marriage proposal, I don't think. I only watched one season, but not everyone gets married at the end. But the show follows their lives together up until the altar when the contestants finally decide whether or not to get married. And people are talking about this season in particular for a couple reasons. One, because of how one couple talks about kids, one contestant, and how the sister really just kind of like doesn't like kids and talks about kids as if they're burdens. But then on the other side of it, you've got this like very Christian, stable-seeming couple that is sharing like this really sweet testimony.

Starting point is 00:32:07 So first I want to talk about these viral clips that are going around of this one contestant Emma talking about how she feels about having kids. Here's not three. I definitely want kids. It's like, okay, we've done so much together in our married life now. Let's put that love into a little baby. I want to find the right partner, but kids change the whole dynamic. Yeah, listen, I know I want kids, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:34 But it doesn't necessarily mean that I need to have them right away. I am not a 100% yes, but I'm not a no. I know a lot of people really want kids, but for me, I don't know yet. I appreciate you being super honest with me about it. Thank you. I'm adopted. I do not know my birth family or if they're going to pass down any medical problems that scares me about having a child. Okay, so she doesn't know if she's going to pass down any health problems that she has from her biological parents. Now, there are some people

Starting point is 00:33:10 out there who would say, oh, that's totally legitimate reason to not have kids. I don't think that's a legitimate reason to not have kids. We live in a fallen world. I'm not saying that disease is a good thing or a fun thing, but our kids are going to get sick. They are going to always potentially have something wrong with them. We are not promised perfect progeny. Like, we are not promised perfect health for ourselves or for our children. And yet we are still called, I think, to the selflessness of having children if you are married and able to have children. She also talks about precancerous birth marks that she had removed to prevent melanoma. She didn't know how that health would affect her having children. I understand that concern a little bit

Starting point is 00:33:56 more. It seems to me like this perspective, however, on having children is really more about, as she said at the beginning, changing the dynamic of marriage. It is true that children changes the dynamic of marriage, but like in a really beautiful way. Not saying it's not hard, it is difficult. Like sleeping less is just difficult. Having another person to care for and think about is difficult. Your schedule changes. Your priorities change. Your energy level changes. But this is part of what's being human. We're so used to all of these automated things removing the friction of inconvenience in our lives that I think that we believe that we are entitled to a convenience filled life. And that's just not true. And also,

Starting point is 00:34:38 unending and unconditional convenience in every area of life doesn't make you a better person. It's actually like the pain from stretching metaphorically that I think makes you better. and then also children are just awesome. There's something very joyful and fulfilling about having kids to love and to care for. But this really is a sticking point for this couple as they go back and forth about whether or not she wants kids. You can see from the very beginning, this is really important to him and she really doesn't know. And then they go to their, they visit her family. So I guess they like each other in a lot of other ways.

Starting point is 00:35:17 but then they talk to the sister and then the sister has this to say about children, that's up for. I'm somebody who grew up my whole life wanting to be a mom and I have two kids and I wake up some days and I'm like, why did I, like this is the part, you told them that. Yeah, I told them.

Starting point is 00:35:33 And my rebuttal to that is do you regret it? And she said no. And I said, then that's all you need to know. I would say though if I lived another life, like I don't regret having my children and I love my children. But if I got to the end of my life and they said, you can do it again, I wouldn't have kids.

Starting point is 00:35:50 Okay. Because there's a beautiful thing about living a life for yourself too. Sure. So my concern is, as somebody who wanted this, and is currently living it and knows how hard it is, if somebody chooses to have kids simply because they're trying to make a partner happy, that's one of the most terrifying thoughts. And especially for Emma.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Like, I love her to death and I would not be able to live with myself if I didn't say that. Oh my goodness. horrible thing to say about your own children. I feel the exact opposite. You know there are times when you start thinking about maybe a mistake that you made or something that you wish that you had done differently. And you think about if someone offered you to go all the way back to when you were 22, so you could write those wrongs or you could make a different decision that you think would lead to better outcomes and how tempting that is. Obviously, that's not possible. But the thing I always think about when I consider, okay, would I want to go back and make a different choice

Starting point is 00:36:47 from the obviously bad choice that I made in some scenario? I'm always like, no, because I'm afraid that that new route would take me away from my husband and my kids. Like there are so many different details that God orchestrates in our lives that lead us to the people that we marry, that lead us to the kids that we have, that even if I could go back and correct every single mistake that I have ever made, I wouldn't do it. If there's is a potential chance that I wouldn't have the children and the husband that I have. And so to not feel that sense of like gratitude and preciousness over the children you've created, I think is really sad. And I think probably it is the sister that is really influencing the other

Starting point is 00:37:30 sister there. I mean, to see your sister say that, you know, she's not really sure if she would choose to have your nieces and nephews again, you're scared of living with that kind of regret. that just goes to show how important it is to have people around us who affirm life, who love children, who love family. And I know we can't always control who is in our family and attitudes they have, but it's really important that we protect our hearts and minds, the things that we are consuming, the conversations that we're having to protect ourselves from bitterness towards kids or this wrong mentality that you are entitled to live for

Starting point is 00:38:03 yourself. You're not entitled to live for yourself. And like you will become a brat if you do that. I'm not saying that you have to have kids not to live for yourself, but if you don't commit yourself to some kind of self-sacrifice, if you don't purposely seek out sacrifice and inconvenience, you will become a bad person. Okay? God made us to deny ourselves, to work, to sacrifice, to do really difficult things beyond what we think we're physically and mentally capable of for his glory and the good of other people. Children, a wonderful way to do that. If God hasn't called you

Starting point is 00:38:37 to that, there are other ways that you can sacrifice on behalf of those who need it that are also glorious and beautiful and can sanctify you as a human being. So this just self-centered mentality makes me sad, dude, run, run, run. This is not the family you want to marry into. This is not the person you want to marry. This is going to be something that follows you for the rest of your life that you will always regret if you keep walking in this direction. Okay. All right. Now let's talk about positive part of this because there is a positive couple here that had a wonderful Christian testimony that I think is really sweet and just like really rare in reality television. Let me go ahead and pause though and tell you about my next sponsor before we get there.

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Starting point is 00:40:24 order. Good Ranchers.com code Alley. Okay, this just in. I did not know this is how it can include it. Emma and Mike did make it to the altar, and this is what happened. Emma, I do, I do love you. Right now, I'm not ready to say I do. I want kids, and I want to know that you definitely 100% want to have a family with me. I don't want to say yes and jump into something, and then it changed down the road. And it's hard because I, you know, I'm, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:41:18 Okay, I guess I can't take credit for giving Mike advice and him listening since this has already happened. But good job, Mike. That was the right decision. I'm not saying that Emma is unmarriable or inherently bad. Maybe she'll make a different decision. I just, it's not even only the kids thing. It's just that self-centered mentality that I think is not going to be good for anyone.

Starting point is 00:41:40 And I really hope that Mike finds the woman for him. a faith-filled woman, first of all, but then also a woman that he can raise kids with because that is really important. Okay, let's talk about this other Christian couple. So in one of the first dates between this couple, the guy Vic mentions that he wants a God-fearing woman. And then the woman, Christine, ends one of their early dates with prayer. It's not seven. Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you today in prayer and ask for continued love, patient, and understanding and an eagerness to grow deeper.

Starting point is 00:42:19 May we open our hearts and may we open our minds throughout this unique journey as we further this walk towards a marriage. Amen. Amen. And amen and amen. I literally wrote amen and amen. That was beautiful. That's sweet.

Starting point is 00:42:37 I don't really know anything else about them or, you know, their theology or anything like that. But I just think that they, that is a sweet moment. that you don't typically see on TV. They were also a favorite this season. There's this subreddit called Love is Blind on Netflix. I would never recommend you going on the Hellscape that is Reddit. But one user remarked that they are by far the best couple this season and probably the

Starting point is 00:42:59 best couple ever in Love is Blind. That is high praise from Reddit. This couple was one of the only couples to get married at the end of the season. Christine explained that their shared faith was really what sealed the deal during an interview with Kaylee McInney. I was also on this episode with Kaylee McAnney and she was tossing to this segment and I was so glad to get to watch this. So sweet, Sadi. We've had a lot of conversation about covenant versus contract and you know and there is such a really true meaning behind that of when you have that covenant and you have that foundation. It makes a world of

Starting point is 00:43:34 difference in the relationship. Like I've never felt so confident and so at peace and ease in a relationship, let alone a marriage, which can be stressful and difficult, especially when it happen so quickly, but God's been very, very present. Okay, that's incredible. I, you know, don't necessarily recommend finding your future husband or wife on a reality TV show because so much gossip and innuendo and temptation and sensationalism typically can color their relationship and it can make it really difficult to truly get to know someone, but God can work through anything. And I love that he really like hoisted up a couple to hopefully be an example to other people and you never know who this is going to reach. Maybe someone out there is like, I want what they have. I want that

Starting point is 00:44:22 kind of joy and stability and peace that they seem to have. And so I'm just thankful for their example. Lots to learn today from our reality TV and lifestyle pitter patter. Now we are going to talk to my friend Lila Rose about what the parliament in UK just did to decriminalize abortion. All right. Last week, I was so disturbed to see this news on X. On March 18th, last Wednesday, the House of Lords and the UK voted to decriminalize abortion at any point in pregnancy all nine months. Here's a clip of that. My Lords there have voted, contents 148, not content's 185, so the not contents have it. Okay, so you can kind of hear the cheers there, and they have decided. that it is legal through all nine months of pregnancy to allow abortion in the UK. And I want to bring on my good friend Lila Rose.

Starting point is 00:45:25 She is the founder and president of Live Action to just kind of break this down for us. First, I just want to know exactly how this can happen, considering that a very small percentage of people in the UK actually support abortion through all nine months. And yet their representatives have just made this legal. It's absolutely devastating, Allie, according to a recent poll, less than 1% of people in the UK want abortion to be legal for all nine months. So how did this happen? Basically, you know, the British Parliament is supposed to represent the people.

Starting point is 00:46:00 That's not what happened here. Last summer in an omnibus bill, so there was a big bill that had to do with the police and had to do with criminalization and crimes. And the pro-bort activists in parliament stuck in a decriminalization statute. that would legalize abortion through all nine months in the UK. Now, this got less than an hour of debate last summer, and it passed the British House of Commons, and now last week it went to the British House of Lords,

Starting point is 00:46:24 and there was some more debate, but ultimately they kept this provision in there, which ultimately means you can end the life of your baby, up until the moment of birth, and there's no criminal penalties for you. You can order an abortion pill via the mail. You can take it at home. You can kill your 32-week-old baby.

Starting point is 00:46:40 This actually happened with a woman doing this to her 32-week-old baby, and there is zero liability. There is zero criminal penalty for that. So it's a very dark day in the UK. And of course, the pro-life movement is galvanized now saying we have to put a stop to this. This is not even the will of the British people. Is it even possible for pro-lifers in the UK to put a stop to this? Or is it just the deal is done?

Starting point is 00:47:04 If they get enough members of parliament, they can reverse this. So it's a matter of rallying the political power and support. There are pro-life members of parliament. But the pro-life movement has been really, I think, thrown to the side over the last few decades in the U.K. They are not really a fighting force yet. But I think that can change if enough people rise up and say, we're going to ban together to ensure that children are protected and families are prioritized. And I do think there's a growing unrest in the U.K.

Starting point is 00:47:32 about how the government is, quite frankly, handling governance. This has to do in part with the protection of women and girls in the state, in the countries, from rape and from attacks. It has to do with the lack of freedom of speech in the UK where people are praying outside abortion clinics or hospitals where abortions are happening and they're thrown into jail for that. You make a comment on social media that the government disapproves of. You go to jail for that. So there is growing unrest in the UK about politics.

Starting point is 00:47:59 And I think people of good faith and goodwill, pro-life people, pro-family people need to build a fighting force like we have here in the United States and believe that it's possible and with the right political will make the change happen that needs to happen. know who is a part of the abortion lobby in the UK? I mean, I just think about who would have the motivation to try to sneak something like this in without the support of the public. What kind of power do they have and who is profiting off of a radical change like this? And you might not know the answer. I don't know the answer, but I didn't know if you had any insight there. Well, I know a couple of things. There's Marie Stopes International. It's basically their Planned Parenthood. And they're

Starting point is 00:48:37 very powerful. They're very embedded with the UK health care system. I mean, it's very much, healthcare is very much socialized, so the government has its hands basically in all health care in the UK. And unfortunately, the health care system at large, I think, is basically hijacked by pro-aborts. And that's the case in most of the United States. The difference is the health care bureaucrats in the United States are the heads of, you know, these healthcare associations are not necessarily calling all the shots for the government. In the UK, those institutions are largely one and the same with the government. So you have pro-aborts. leading those organizations, they can call shots for health care policy. And that's what actually

Starting point is 00:49:17 happened here, Allie, is that they said that this is actually a health care policy now instead of a legal policy for abortion. Let the doctors decide abortion, these pro-abort doctors groups in the UK instead of let the law intervene to protect these children. I mean, imagine if ACOG, which is our pro-abort association for obstetricians and gynaecologists in the USA, was in charge of abortion law in the USA. But they would allow not just decriminalization, but outright legalizations of abortions through all nine months in all 50 states. There obviously is a dissenting voice. Callum Miller, who's a doctor and other doctors in the UK oppose abortion. We have dissenting voices in the United States, but now those health care ideologues who are pro-aborts, they're not really

Starting point is 00:50:00 health care. It's pro-death are now basically one in the same, making decisions in the UK government. I saw this professor from Georgetown saying that the U.S. should learn positive. from the UK's example that our pro-abortion lobby here should shift from trying to legalize abortion through all nine months to decriminalizing. Can you talk a little bit more, which you did just touch on this, but can you talk a little bit more about the difference? And if you think Planned Parenthood at all are going to go in that direction? I mean, decriminalization and legalization is really one and the same, right? The point of a law is you need to enforce it. If the law is not enforced, what is the point of the law? It's not even a teacher anymore. The law can't even

Starting point is 00:50:39 teach right from wrong because people are willfully going out there and breaking it and there's zero repercussions for them. And in the United States, I mean, practically, Ali, because of the abortion pill, which is sent via mail in the United States and there's no law that is being enforced to prohibit it from going into pro-life states where abortion is banned, we effectively have abortion legalized in the United States, effectively through all nine months of pregnancy, even in pro-life states. Now, pro-life states have some recourse. They can ban surgical abortions or abortion pills being sold by providers in that state. But if they're shipped in from a provider outside of the state into a pro-life state, an abortion pill, the state has very little recourse.

Starting point is 00:51:17 This is one of the reasons in the U.S. we're calling on the Trump administration to take the abortion pill off the market, which they have the full power and the right to do. And it would protect women and, of course, babies. But the bottom line is decriminalization is basically the same as legalization. And that's what we're already facing here in the U.S. Yeah, and a lot of this falls on the shoulders of Republican attorneys general in these states who want to have the power to be able to go after these other states, which they can sue the other states for shipping, you know, abortion pills or sue the providers in other states. But there's only so much they can do, as you said, until the Trump administration, the HHS under RFK decides to do something about it. It decides that this is a public health crisis, obviously a moral crisis as well. and we need the Republicans to be willing to stand up and say,

Starting point is 00:52:08 I represent pro-life constituents, Trump administration, we need you to do something about that, which can be politically a little bit difficult. But that's why we just, we need courage. It's really not about exactly who is in the White House. It is about saving lives. And it's not just the Democrats that we need to be holding accountable. It's Republicans being willing to have enough courage to do the right thing.

Starting point is 00:52:31 You're exactly right, Ali. I think you do that so well on your show and in your advocacy. I had a meeting with RFK, with Secretary Kennedy in January. Yes. And we sat together. We discussed the abortion pill. I mean, he agreed that it's alarming that the abortion pill lands one out of every 10 women with severe side effects that one out of every 22 women land in the emergency room because of the abortion pill. And it is the leading cause of death for children. So 600,000 babies were murdered in the last reported year by the abortion pill. And RFK expressed sympathy for this. He expressed concern. It's 100% his jurisdiction and power to take the pill off the market. In fact, it's his job to take lethal

Starting point is 00:53:13 drugs that are not helping people, that are hurting people, and prevent them from flooding our market, our American market. So I'm hopeful he expressed interest in removing the pill if there was evidence that they could do their own study of to show its dangers. He, of course, indicated President Trump, you know, makes the final call for the administration as the lead executive of course, but I think that anybody who has a voice on this, which is all of us, and certainly people in the administration, need to raise the alarm bell, because this is an action that can be taken right now. It would save hundreds of thousands of lives in the United States to remove this pill for the market, and U.S. policy impacts UK policy. A lot of these European countries

Starting point is 00:53:50 follow what the USA is doing. If we're allowing these pills via mail, they're going to allow these pills via mail. For the sake of our kids and the kids of Europe and the kids of the whole world, we need to be doing the right thing and remove the abortion pill from the market. Yeah. Man, not everyone out there knows what Lila and live action do behind closed doors. Yes, she's got a public platform. You see her on her podcast and things like that. But there are so many conversations I'm probably not even privy to, only a few of them that

Starting point is 00:54:17 Lila is having with the highest ranking officials in this country to try to save people's lives. And I just think that's incredible. Like all of us, we want these big guests on our show and that's really important. but you are in there primarily to try to persuade these people to save lives. And that, I think, is just what sets you apart when it comes to being an advocate, being an activist, is that's what you care about first and foremost. So I'm just so grateful for that. As soon as you were talking about meeting with RFK, I'm just like, praise God, that's who I want

Starting point is 00:54:47 representing the pro-life cause to those people in power. And I think all of us, whether we call our representatives or whether you feel also called to pray, we can pray for that change of heart that Lila's words that they, would continue to ring in his ears and to seep into his heart and that eventually the Holy Spirit would convict him to do the right thing. So I just want to say thank you for that. Quick pause to tell you about Legacy Box. This is how you preserve your legacy. If you've got a bunch of VHS tapes or maybe your mom does or maybe your in-laws do or Polaroids or old pictures and they're just in boxes and boxes collecting dust and you're like, how are you going to move these? How are you

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Starting point is 00:56:17 Go to legacybox.com slash alley and you will get a discount. Legacybox.com slash alley. Can you talk a little bit more about baby Olivia? because I saw that you posed, was it North Dakota? Yes, so now we're in seven states. Baby Olivia is this lifelike, medically accurate animation of human development from its earliest beginnings, single cell embryo up until birth. And it just was signed into law in the seventh state in the United States to be put into public school curriculum.

Starting point is 00:56:55 So now, depending on the state, sometimes it's high school, it'll be junior high, it'll be as young as kindergarten. and we're very excited about this. Our goal is to have this be seen by every student in America because there's no better way to develop a sense of reverence and really just respect for life when you actually get to learn about how human life develops. So we're thrilled about it and it's being considered, I think, in 20 other states now across the country. Praise God. That is amazing. And if people want to support that, if they want to see the advancement of that kind of legislation in their own state, what can they do? They can 100% spread awareness about baby Olivia. You can go to liveaction.org. There's a drop-down menu. You can share that with your friends.

Starting point is 00:57:38 The more it's out there, the more people see it, the more you can be an educator to help people know the truth of the beauty of human life. We've seen that 10% of pro-choice women when they see baby Olivia say that they now support abortion restrictions and support pro-life laws. So this is 100% has an impact on changing hearts on minds on abortion, even though it does doesn't mention abortion at all, the videos about human development. But you can also support our legislative efforts at Live Action. You can go to Liveaction.org. You can support us financially to support what we're doing with lawmakers, and you can pray.

Starting point is 00:58:09 Like you said, Ali, 100% it's a spiritual battle. You know, Secretary Kennedy, President Trump, they need our prayers, prayers to do the right thing, prayers for courage. We need to pray for an end to abortion. We need to pray for the closing of the abortion industry. Pray for mothers and families. And I believe if we as people of God pray, we're courageous in speaking out. and we get out there and take action, we can end abortion.

Starting point is 00:58:30 It's really a matter of time because God is the author of the fight and we get to be a part of his work. Amen. Okay, I want to ask you one last thing because I saw this clip circulating and I thought you'd be the perfect person to talk about it. So we have so many people in the country who support the pro-life cause once you really understand what abortion is, what human development is, it can be kind of simple to move people over to the pro-life side.

Starting point is 00:58:54 one thing I think that we are still fighting is to educate people on the reality of IVF. People think IVF simply means pro-baby. And of course, we love babies. We want more babies to be born. But obviously, it is much more ethically and morally complex than that. And I saw this story. I don't know if you saw it circulating, but it's about Duke basketball twins. Their names are Cameron and Kaden Boozer.

Starting point is 00:59:18 They were conceived through IVF by former NBA player Carlos Boozer and his wife, Cece. and the reason they did this is because their older son, Karmani, had sickle cell disease. So both parents carried this trait, and so they wanted to be able to find a bone marrow match within the embryos for their older son so that he could have a bone marrow transplant and to make sure that their future children

Starting point is 00:59:43 did not have sickle cell disease. And so they ended up creating and screening, I think like a dozen embryos, 10 passed the test. they ultimately chose to implant only two that were disease-free and a genetic match. And of course, now we have these Duke basketball twins, Cameron and Caden. So that is some of this context. Let me play this quick clip, and then I'll get you to respond to two.

Starting point is 01:00:08 Doctors harvested 34 eggs from Cici. 10 became fertilized, sickle-cell-free embryos. And among those, only two matched. Only two. Only two were completely healthy and were an identical match for my son's transplant. So when they tell you that, what do you think? We got it. Jackpot.

Starting point is 01:00:33 Okay, so a lot of people watching this, they're like, that is incredible. They wanted to save their older son's life, and they used science to be able to do that and to now create these two talented basketball players. But what are we missing? We're missing the 10 other. it sounds like at least eight, but likely 10 other children, human lives. Science is clear. This is a unique individual human life when you create that life in the IVF clinic.

Starting point is 01:01:01 This is a new embryo. And they decided they weren't good enough. And so they killed them. Yeah. That's the part of the story that, you know, with the beautiful music playing and this beautiful, like, warmly lit interview was completely left out. There's 10 other kids whose lives were created and then taken after they were screened and deemed not good enough.

Starting point is 01:01:21 And that is barbaric, Ali. That is why we raise the alarm bell about IVF because every life created via IVF is 100% valued, purposed, beautiful, a gift made in God's image. That's why IVF is so destructive because in the process of IVF for every one live birth embryo, you're talking usually 10 others that are destroyed because you're trying to achieve that one live birth. And so you create lives, you grade them, and then you destroy them. So we love life. That's why. why we oppose IVF. Yeah, people don't realize that there are actually more unique lives that are tossed out killed every year via IVF than in the abortion industry. And so we're just trying to plea for consistency that if a life is a life no matter how small, no matter what he or she looks like,

Starting point is 01:02:08 no matter the level of sentience, then that not only applies to inside the womb, but also outside of the womb. So it's this kind of sensitive issue that I think Christians are called to be as clear and courageous on as possible for the same reasons that we're clear and courageous on abortion. Thank you so much for your clarity and courage, Lila. Just remind everyone where they can find your show. Thank you, Allie. I'm so grateful for yours. You're such an incredibly important voice, and I'm always grateful when I hear you speaking out on these issues. You can go check out liveaction.org. We have a lot of resources there, and we just hope that everyone joins the pro-life fight. We're all part of it, and certainly as Christians, we're called to be voices for God's

Starting point is 01:02:45 children. Yes, and everyone check out the Lila Rose show, which is on. on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, all that good stuff. Thank you, Allie. Thank you. Great to see you. Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of Relatable, and we will be back here on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1323 | ‘Love Is Blind’: Best & Worst, OnlyFans Mogul Dies & the UK Needs a Pro-Life Miracle

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