Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1340 | Is 'Neeza' Powers a Con Artist?

Starting point is 00:00:00 A popular detransitioner influencer now says he is re-transitioning back into a woman. But what is the truth about Thomas Nisa Powers? We will go through this story today and the truth about his testimony. Also, more vitriol against Erica Kirk after the White House Correspondence dinner shooting. I've got a response to all of that. We've got that and a lot, lot more of today's episode of Religious. relatable. It's brought to you by our friends. I go to good ranchers. Go to good ranchers.com. Use code alley. Check out that's good ranchers.com code alley. Hey guys, welcome to relatable. Happy Wednesday.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. You can probably hear it at my voice. I am a little bit under the weather. I almost don't even want to say that because I don't feel like I have a cold. I started having a cold last Wednesday. It's Wednesday. It's been a week. And I've just had like the lingering effects. And the last thing that's holding on is this little tickle in my throat. And so I'm just going to pray, Lord, please keep that at bay. So I can tell you all the important things that we need to talk about today for about an hour without having to stop and start and all of that good stuff. But this sickness, this cold, is going around right now. Almost everyone I know, every child I know, has had this like lingering cough thing going on. So prayers for all of you,

Starting point is 00:01:33 those of you who are going through sickness right as you're entering into this crazy time of end of school year and start of summer. Hopefully this is just like the last sickness shibang before summer starts and we're free of all of this crazy journey stuff going on. All right, I'm so glad to be back with you today. A couple things before we get started. Y'all, if you have not bought your tickets for Share the Arrows, now is the time because we have a Mother's Day sale going on. A lot of you have asked for a discount for Share the Arrows and we have one. Of course, we had the pre-sale at the beginning when we always do the early bird special, but now we have a Mother's Day sale, and the promo code is Mother's Day 20. So we get 20% off, and you'll see when you hover over on

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Starting point is 00:03:36 So please leave us a five-star reveal on Apple, on Spotify. It helps us a lot. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube, all of that good stuff. Speaking of YouTube, YouTube audience had a really big reaction to the debate with Jacob Hanson on Monday. I have received so many meaningful messages from that debate. People who used to be LDS, people who are currently LDS, but appreciated the dialogue, people who just wanted to know more about what LDS people believe versus is what we believe. Now, there's also been a lot of angry people in response to this. And there shouldn't have been any anger. People who said that, oh, I was rude or mean. I'm sorry. That's just, it's just not true. It was a very respectful debate. I thought Jacob did a great job of

Starting point is 00:04:21 representing his side. I thought he was very respectful. And I just want you to know, and this is true, whether you are evangelical like me, whether you're Protestant or Catholic, like whether you are LDS, whatever, Muslim, whatever you are, that someone firmly pushing back and disagreeing and confidently asserting their position is not hateful. Okay. That's not rude. That's not mean. And if you see that as rude or mean or hateful, that's not an indication of that person.

Starting point is 00:04:49 That's an indication of the weakness of your own faith. And I don't say that to be rude. We've all been in that place before. But just know that. That comes from a place of insecurity and not feeling like you. would be able to intellectually defend your own side. It shouldn't make you angry. When someone is confidently asserting what they believe, Jacob didn't make me angry at all when he was saying what he believed, which is not the same thing as what I believe. And, you know, I saw some people saying that,

Starting point is 00:05:16 oh, he didn't know that this was going to be a disagreement, a debate. Well, that's not true. We did know going in that this is going to be a conversation about our disagreements. And that is debate. My style of debate, if any of you have ever tuned into relatable, is not sitting at a table with like a timer like it is on Jubilee, but it is conversational, the same way with David French, the same way that I'd had with other people in the past. And Jacob came extremely prepared. So he did know ahead of time. As you saw, if you were watching this, he had pages and pages of notes and he had all of his answers ready to go, which I think is great, by the way. But that told me that, yes, he absolutely knew exactly what we would be talking about. How would we would, we would

Starting point is 00:05:59 would be talking about it and the kind of questions that I would be asking. There was absolutely nothing that was surprising or a trick or anything like that. We were very open from the beginning and the conversation was exactly as advertised. And I'm very thankful and I'm very thankful for the opportunity to share the gospel, which is a different version than the version of the gospel that LDS people believe and that Jacob presented at the end. And that is something that I just really want to emphasize to my Christian audience out there is that we are in, it doesn't seem like it. Maybe this is not even the right word, but I was going to say, like, we are in a gospel drought in America. And I've realized that, as I've seen some of the comments surrounding that

Starting point is 00:06:49 conversation, that just absolutely were appalled, that I would say that there are two options for someone's eternal destination, heaven, those who are in Christ, in hell, those who are without Christ. That is what the Bible teaches. That is what Christianity teaches. I was shocked that that was surprising. And so I don't know if drought is the right word because you do have a lot of churches and people preaching the gospel, but there is a huge, huge deficit of understanding of the gospel in America. So yes, I think third world missions are really important, but understand we are in a mission field Christians right now. Like your neighbor who calls themselves a Christian, may not know the gospel. They may not know that they can't earn their way to God and that there's

Starting point is 00:07:35 nothing that they can do to contribute to their salvation, that God has accomplished it all for them on the cross through Christ. I saw like a beloved Catholic commentator on on X say that, you know, as strong as he is in his faith, he doesn't know where he is going after he dies. And that just broke my heart. This is a brilliant, devout person. And he says that he is not confident in knowing where he is going after he dies, but that he trusts in Jesus. And that it really does make me very sad, that there is confidence in the gospel. There's confidence in Christ. Like when Christ says to the thief on the cross who had faith, today you will be with me and paradise. That is the confidence that those of us have in Christ. If by grace through faith,

Starting point is 00:08:28 you have believed in Him for the forgiveness of your sins, you are reconciled to God forever. And I was just drawn to this passage this morning and then we'll get into the rest of our episode. And I just want to share it with you. It's a little bit long. And it's got a lot of, if you're new to Christianity, like it's got a lot of Christianese in here. And I would just recommend to you that you would look on your phone, look online, maybe buy you an ESV study Bible and just really meditate on this passage and think about what it means for us and what it means about the character and trustworthiness of God and the good news of the gospel. So this is Colossians 2-1 through 15. Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus

Starting point is 00:09:07 the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built it up in him, and established in the faith just as you were taught abounding in Thanksgiving. See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy be an empty deceit according to human tradition according to the elemental spirits of the world and not according to christ for in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily and you have been filled in him who is the head of all rule and authority in him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of the flesh by the circumcision of christ having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of god who raised him the dead and you who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh.

Starting point is 00:09:53 God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses by canceling the record of death that stood against us with its legal demands. This, he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame by triumphing over them in him. That is really good news. All right. Let's move on to the topics of the day. But let me pause and tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is Holy Pals. Holy Pals makes Christian pajamas. They're really cute. Bible stories depicted and really sweet, just artistically amazing photo or pictures rather drawings on your kids' pajamas. And they have matching family sets. We've gotten some for Christmas for Easter. They're just super cute, really soft. They've got

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Starting point is 00:11:37 that we're back here. And it's so crazy how the news just moves on. And yet this, it almost feels routine and it really shouldn't. So let's talk about it. A man, I mean, won't say his name, his 31-year-old California man. He opened fire at the White House Correspondents Association Dinner in Washington, D.C. He apparently, according to his manifesto, had the intent of killing President Trump, killing members of his administration. And he had this whole manifesto that was released by the New York Times and the New York Post. And he didn't name Trump by name, but he said, I don't want to be, you know, I'm tired of this pedophile rapist, coding my hands with his crimes

Starting point is 00:12:20 and he really wanted to get the top dogs in charge and there were a lot of questions about the security. He was a hotel guest. He traveled by train with his firearms from California. He's a teacher in California. He's got

Starting point is 00:12:37 a social media footprint where he talks all about left wing politics. He donated just a little bit but still donated to Kamala Harris. And it's just your typical left talking point guy. Actually, you wouldn't really look at his social media and think violent. You would just think, ah, typical liberal, he believes all of the things that MSNBC told him. But that

Starting point is 00:12:59 tells you something about progressive ideology and about these talking points that you and I are just used to hearing at this point, that they're Nazis, that they're fascists, that they're all of these terrible things. For certain people, that is an accelerant. Maybe there's something already violent or unstable in them. And that just, that just quickens the flames so that it actually manifests itself in actual violence. And so he was a hotel guest and he was able to secure like a room where he got his gun ready. He sped past all of the security and he shot in the lobby. Thankfully, he was apprehended by security. A lot of things, I think, in my opinion, that could have been done better security-wise to ensure that no one like that was even able to enter the

Starting point is 00:13:46 building. But that's a different conversation for a different day. I do think it's important that this conversation doesn't lead to just while we need better mental health support. Sure, like there are actual mental health issues that we have in this country, but we've got an evil problem in this country. Like it's evil. You don't actually have to be mentally insane to commit an evil act. You could just be evil and have evil and tensions. This is true since the beginning of time. I don't like it when people try to make everything evil psychiatric because it denies the reality of human nature. And it actually, the presupposition is there, is that everyone is inherently good, but that something is a little bit off to make us

Starting point is 00:14:30 not good. And that's not it. Everyone is inherently bad. We're not always as bad as we could be. but we have to be made better. We have to be made ultimately regenerate by the Holy Spirit, but we have to be conditioned and taught to be better and to be peaceful. And so this person was just acting out human nature, murderous human nature that we've seen almost since the beginning from the beginning of humanity. Also, the grossness that we see in human nature

Starting point is 00:15:00 is not just through something murderous like this, but people's willingness to mock this kind of event and specifically to mock Erica Kirk. I mean, this woman, Charlie Kirk's widow, can literally do, according to these people, nothing right. She can do nothing right. If she's at home, oh, well, she's in hiding. What is she doing?

Starting point is 00:15:21 Why isn't she out there leading? Why isn't she showing up at this University of Georgia event? Why is it she doing more? And if she's out there, wear her kits. why isn't she taking care of her home? If she smiles, oh, well, she got over that quickly. There was a picture of her with Lawrence Jones. He's a Fox News host.

Starting point is 00:15:44 They were smiling, just friendly. And all kinds of people were saying, oh, she moved on quickly. They were making fun of her for smiling. And then there was a video of her leaving, and she was crying. I'm not going to play it because I just don't know if that's something that she really wants circulating on social media, but it did go viral. She's with security. she's crying and she's saying I just want to go home I mean imagine how traumatizing this is for her

Starting point is 00:16:08 I don't I can't think of a time recently where she's like gotten dressed up and gone to one of these events I'm sure she had to be convinced to go she's probably excited this is a really fun event to get to go to and she and Andrew Colvette and some other people from turning point got to go she looked beautiful and then this and then to hear that there's a gunman trying to assassinate people in the administration, the way that her husband was assassinated, she probably just feels like evil is following her. And of course, she's thinking, wow, I'm risking my own life here. And that's obviously not what she wanted. Anyone would think that this would be a secure event because you've got the succession to the presidency there. And so I imagine that she was so traumatized.

Starting point is 00:16:54 Now, what was the reaction by everyone? Was it a unanimous expression of compassion for what she's going through? No. Unfortunately, you've got posts like this with 47,000 likes. Giving Erica Kirk Assassination, C-P-T-S-D is so funny, actually. Another post with 55,000 likes on X, crying, laughing face, the most performative woman who ever lived. Another post, 73,000 likes. Not her crying. L-M-F-A-O. A lot of people saying this. I actually blocked someone on Instagram. Okay, so this is not just people on the left, although progressivism is an evil ideology, produces just a callousness in people. But certainly horseshoe theory confirmed.

Starting point is 00:17:39 You've got people who consider themselves on the right, and you can guess who their favorite influencers and podcasters are, who commented in one of my posts about this event on Instagram saying, basically the same thing about Erica, that, oh, her fake tears, that was really entertaining to watch. lock, you're a bad person. You are just playing this very dangerous game with your soul. You're gambling. You're gambling here. Like, this is such a dangerous thing for you to have to bring before the Lord one day that you found it to be an entertaining sport to mock someone's widow that you claim,

Starting point is 00:18:21 these people on the so-called right, that you claim to admire. Now, I am not someone who is saying, that you cannot criticize a public figure. She's a public figure, okay? She's the CEO of a massive, very influential nonprofit organization that is in the limelight that has helped get very powerful people elected. She is the CEO of that. I'm not saying that she is above any and all critique. I think it's fair for people to have legitimate and fair critiques of anyone in the public eye and in a position of influence and leadership. Okay. And I'm not even talking about the people who are questioning law enforcement about different things about the investigation.

Starting point is 00:19:09 Okay. Like that's a separate conversation. I think Tyler Robinson 100% did it. But, okay, maybe there is a way to do that with integrity and honor. Just ask some questions. Hey, are there some holes in the official media story and the official law enforcement story? Okay. I'm fine with that.

Starting point is 00:19:25 We can ask questions and be a critical thinker. but if you cannot do that without relentlessly and mercilessly mocking Erica Kirk, then you've got a soul sickness, man. Like there is something deep and dark going on there. You cannot as a Christian, because a lot of these people on the so-called right who are doing this call themselves Christians, you cannot stand before the God of the universe with a clear conscience and know that your life. is dedicated to your entertainment, your income, whatever, is dedicated to mocking a widow.

Starting point is 00:20:06 Like, it's just not possible. And so if you do feel good about that and you're like, well, I don't really feel any conviction. I think that this is fine. Like, that's not an indication that what you're doing is okay. That's an indication that you are calloused, that you worship the God of self, you worship the God of money, you worship the God of entertainment, you worship the God of sensationalism, not the God of Scripture. Okay, that's what's going on. All of us in different times in our lives have had times of trying to justify sin and to assuage conviction. Okay. But because God is good, if you have the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit hounds you and it's like, you keep wanting to do this, but I'm not going to let you feel good about this. You're going to keep feeling bad about this until

Starting point is 00:20:50 you repent. Okay, but if you don't have the Holy Spirit, then you can keep feeling good about really awful things for a long time. And if you keep feeling good about and finding joy in the mockery of a widow, that is an indication of the absence of the Holy Spirit in your life. It just is. And that's not Ali Stuckey's judgment, okay? That is the nature of the Holy Spirit because he is the convictor. He is the helper. He helps sanctify us. And if you are not feeling any of those things when it comes to blatant evil and sin, I'm just saying there's something really deep going on there. And I say it in the hope that that will change. And really, like, I know this might seem dramatic for a lot of people, but you always ask, like, how did these evil atrocities happen

Starting point is 00:21:38 in the world in history? I can't believe that that tragedy or that injustice happened on a mass scale. How in the world did people just allow that to happen? This shows you how it happens. it takes one person being willing to go out there and consistently dehumanize and consistently deride and then it takes a few people being entertained by it and then more people being entertained by it and then it becomes less of a person that you're talking about and it just becomes this abstract thing these people talking about Erica I don't even think they see her as a person I think they just think this she's a character she's a thing to make fun of she's a druski skit ha ha i mean joe rogan has done the same thing mocking her i think when someone's humanity in your mind goes away you can justify anything

Starting point is 00:22:34 you can justify anything um so just be careful i'm not telling you always trust the government always trust law enforcement never critique a public figure i'm not saying that like if you can't that from being evil? That's your problem. James 127 reminds us, religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this, to visit orphans and widows in their infliction and to keep oneself unstained from the world. I actually think that last part is maybe the most pertinent here. Isaiah 117, learn to do good, seek justice, correct depression, bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause. Psalm 685, Father of the Fatherless, Protector of Widows, is God his holy habitation.

Starting point is 00:23:20 Exodus 22, 22 through 24. You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. If you do mistreat them and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry and my wrath will burn. You know, a lot of people are like, well, she's not just a widow. She's also this, but she is a widow. She is a widow.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Like, you can separate those things, but her being a CEO doesn't negate the fact that she's a widow. It seems like this is something that's super important to God is how we treat this category of vulnerable people. And for those who are like, no, I'm just concerned about her kids. I think that she should just go home and be with her kids. I promise you that Erica loves her kids more than you do. I promise you. I promise you that she thinks about their well-being and thinks about what is best for them more than you do, more than I do, more than anyone on this planet, Erica Kirk is invested in the well-being and security of her children.

Starting point is 00:24:20 Okay. So we can all have opinions. Okay. It's easy to have opinions. You see someone on social media. You think you know their entire life. By the way, social media multiplies, like, people's words and actions. And so, like, you think that she's everywhere.

Starting point is 00:24:35 Well, she could have just been one place, one time, one month ago. But you keep seeing the clips. And so you think she's everywhere. You don't know. where she is. You don't know where our kids are. You have no clue. So I actually think the right thing to do is just to pray for her. Pray for her kids. Trust that she loves her kids way more than you do. She knows what's best for them way more than you do. Her kids were entrusted to her, not you. So that's like, that's my take on that. It really shouldn't be that crazy. I'm just asking for some sanity and for some

Starting point is 00:25:05 rationality. I'm not even asking for us to all agree. But I'm asking for some humanity here, right? And I've just been super disappointed in some people who used to be in my audience, who have just become so merciless when it comes to this woman. And those are the people who will be like, who will point to me and be like, you've changed. Girlie, I have not changed. I have not changed. Look at who you listen to. Look at what you think about.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Look at what you dwell on. And ask yourself honestly, if you have peace. I'm the same. You can go back and listen to the first episode that I ever put. out and you'll be like, oh yeah, she talks about the same things, same person. So, yeah, I'm just, this is like a huge indication of just very dark spiritual sickness and it grieves me and really praying about it. Speaking of something else that is really throwing me off and making me sad, but we really

Starting point is 00:26:00 need to talk about. We need to talk about this detrans influencer, someone who called himself a detrans influencer. He went by Nisa Powers. His name is Thomas. Now he's saying he's re-transitioning. And this person got a lot of Christians to follow him and to support him. And I want to be gracious when I talk about this, but I also want to be super, super clear and talking to Christians about like, how do we discern this?

Starting point is 00:26:22 How should we treat something like this? When it seems like maybe we were duped, maybe this was actually just a play to get famous. Like, how should we approach things like this without becoming the older brother and the prodigal son story? So let me pause. Let me tell you about our next sponsor first. That's Paleo Valley. I love Paleo Valley. I love all of their snacks. I love their protein powder. I love their

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Starting point is 00:27:42 name and he is a man. So Thomas Powers, he was a former trans-identifying man. We don't say trans-woman on here, a trans man on here because it's not possible to transition. It's not possible for a man to become a woman, vice versa. So if you're new here, that's what we say. Man who believed he was a woman. He gained a big social media platform in the last year because he documented his faith journey and he would mark the number of days since he had become a Christian. This is one of the videos that was really popular on his Instagram. Sot 2. Yesterday at church, people were telling me,

Starting point is 00:28:14 she this and her this. And I said, hold on. Let's pump the brakes. I'm a man. I am a son of the highest. My name is Ebenezer. How are you? He showed me that that was deliverance.

Starting point is 00:28:25 And he continues to lead me to scripture, like Samuel 16, 7, where people will look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at your heart. Okay, so lots and lots and lots of videos like this. lots of Christians supporting him. I do not blame Christians for following this journey and supporting him and wanting to give him encouragement. That is what we should do. I will say that when I have gotten many, many requests over the past year, many, probably thousands, but definitely in the

Starting point is 00:28:55 hundreds of people being like, please have this person on because I have lots of detransitioners on. I love stories of people who have left darkness and come into light because of Christ. Every time I would watch his videos, there would just be the signal that we're not. would go off. And I just knew I had this intense hesitation and I just kept on hearing, no, no, no. I'm not saying an audible voice of God. I just kept on feeling like this person, I don't know. I just don't know and I'm not ready to platform them. And by the way, I don't have a perfect track record of that. There have been people that I've had on that I thought we researched. I thought we vetted. I thought we're genuine. I have them on and their story of conversion.

Starting point is 00:29:38 is not, it's, it's very, it, I don't know how to describe it, but there were some after interviews, like questions about the sincerity of their faith and whether it was a real conversion experience, whether the Holy Spirit was bearing fruit in their life. We're not looking for perfection, but we are looking for fruit of repentance. And so I now, because of that, am extremely careful and extremely hesitant, like I need to see some solid evidence of consistent fruit and repentance in that person's life. And I just, I wasn't sure. It just seemed a little bit strange to me. It almost seemed like a character that was being played. And I wrestled with this because I'm like, am I just being judgmental? Am I just being judgmental? I know the episode would do well. And that also

Starting point is 00:30:27 goes to show you that I don't just pick topics that I think are going to perform well, that I think people are going to click on. Because if I did, I would definitely have this person on because everyone was asking me. But I was like, I just can't. in good contents platform this right now. It's just his story is not ready. So he then posted just yesterday a reel on his Instagram

Starting point is 00:30:48 saying that he is now going back to being a woman, so-called. I have a hard time understanding how what I look like and what I wear is a sin in the eyes of God. I don't think it is.

Starting point is 00:31:06 I think that me following the greatest commandment to love the Lord with all of your heart is more important. I think that God looks at the heart, why people look at the outward. I believe in the Holy Scriptures. I believe in the Lord Jesus. My heart is better to serve him without hating myself. My heart is better as a partner to Charlotte without hating my existence, enforcing an identity on myself. And my heart is better to serve my community this way. I couldn't hate myself any longer. Okay.

Starting point is 00:31:52 So now this person is saying that he's going back to being a woman. Now, something that was immediately sketchy to me about this is that he is using something called trial reels. So this in itself is not a sketchy feature on Instagram, but I think it's sketchy how this is being utilized by him. Trial reels, like if I wanted to put out a clip from my podcast, but I wanted to see how it would perform with people who don't follow me. I could put it out and I could select that I only want this to be seen by people who don't follow me just to see how it performs. That is what he did with this reel. So if you follow him, you couldn't see it. This is only going to people who are non-followers. He did not announce to his followers,

Starting point is 00:32:36 at least at the time, that he was re-transitioning so-called. So that to me tells me that he is putting out two different narratives. I don't know why. I'm not going to speculate about the intention there, but it doesn't seem like a good intention. Okay, so over the past year, he has become extremely popular documenting the days that he has become a Christian. He's He's been on a lot of Christian podcasts. And I understand why people would want to platform this story. I'm not saying that those people, you know, that they were, of course, not intentionally doing something wrong.

Starting point is 00:33:11 It's an interesting testimony. But that is how he rose to fame. You got a lot of Christian podcasters giving him credibility by sharing his story, even though there's a lot of odd things. If you are someone who is truly detransitioned, why go by Nisa? Nisa is not a man's name. And there was also just, you know, continue. to have the long hair, continuing to sometimes wear feminine clothing. Sanctification is a process.

Starting point is 00:33:35 I'm not saying that it has to be overnight. But there are some questions. After some time, people started noticing some inconsistencies in his story, like his transitioning timeline, his relationship with his girlfriend, even his age. Some people pointed out that he says that he's in his 20s and really he's 36. They did this based on when it seems like from previous pictures that he was graduating from high school and college. Also, we have pictures from example, for example, from like 2016 where he is, he looks like a man. He doesn't look like he is transitioned. And yet Thomas claims that he has been living as a woman for many, many years. And then he also seems to have lied about the length of his, the length of his relationship,

Starting point is 00:34:27 Charlotte and I met over five years ago and fell in love while I was still Nicole. When he came to me and said that he had found Jesus on a hike, it shocked me a lot. And I truly became a new creation in Christ. I was born again. She didn't know this man. I didn't. She didn't fall in love with this man. You were a completely different person. And we had to date all over again. Okay, so this woman claims that she's a lesbian.

Starting point is 00:35:07 The problem is that he had previously claimed that he and his girlfriend started dating after he detransitioned. When actuality, it seems like they were living together for five years as a lesbian couple. Now, lesbian, quote unquote, we don't actually know. what is really true. Let me read you this report from Protestia. And Protestia is an outlet that I can't recommend overall, but they did do a lot to document this particular story. And I thought this was interesting. And I didn't even share this back when it was originally reported back in February, because I was like, okay, obviously this person has an issue with lying, but maybe there's going to be repentance there. But now that he has said that he's going to identify as a woman again,

Starting point is 00:35:54 I just think it's really important that we know that the story that he has been telling does not actually seem to be true. So according to Protestia, for the last eight months, Powers has gone by the name Ebenezer, which he has shortened to Nisa. He asserts that this new name Ebenezer was given to him by God. He continues to use the nickname Nisa. But they point out, they looked at records from the Tampa Bay Times. And they found that his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Powers, they had a boy that they named Thomas Ryan on June 12, 1989. Now, Thomas has been saying that he is, that he is 28 years old, but he's not. He's actually that he was born in 1996.

Starting point is 00:36:42 But he is actually, so that would make him like 30 years old, but he is actually 36 years old. But he is actually 36 years old. They also found, on this report also found pictures of Nisa, of Thomas as a baby. And this image does not look like 1996, by the way. This definitely looks like in 80s family. He also claims that he had begun transitioning in his teens, taking puberty blockers, shopping for bras, socially transitioning. But they found pictures of him when he was a teenager. And I'll show some of those pictures.

Starting point is 00:37:16 This would have been in 2006, totally just a boy, a little bit older than that. It looks like he's in his 20s, completely a boy, definitely not someone on cross-sex hormones, definitely not someone who went on puberty blockers. This looks like graduation. He reportedly went to Florida State University. He didn't transition in college. This is a person who is a man. That's Thomas in 2015.

Starting point is 00:37:46 and then this is a year after graduating Florida State University on Instagram. So 2015, this is what Thomas looked like. Again, totally a man, not wearing woman's clothing, doesn't have long hair. Another picture of him around this time. Another picture from 2015. Another picture in 2016. Again, a man. Another picture from 2017, again, a man, five o'clock shadow.

Starting point is 00:38:22 And so this person who claims to be a different age and also claims to have transitioned as a teenager, we have picture documentation showing that he did not transition as a teenager. So what is the purpose behind this? What's the truth about his relationship? What's the truth about the woman that he's with? I don't know. We'll get into a little bit more of that speculation in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our next sponsor.

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Starting point is 00:39:51 Concernedwomen.org slash alley. Okay, so now that he has come out and said, okay, I am no longer going to pretend to be a man, or in his words, I am now going to live authentically as a woman. You've got people who call themselves queer Christians standing up for him and saying, yes, we need to support this person being the woman that God has called him to be. Because unfortunately, a lot of people in the so-called LGBTQ community are for authenticity as long as it means being gay or trans. But if someone says, no, I'm living authentically by being the woman or being the man that God actually made me to be, they end up losing support. A lot of true detransitioners are absolutely met with complete hostility by, uh,

Starting point is 00:40:45 trans-identifying people by LGBTQ people because they don't want to be delegitimized by a detransitioner. And so you'll get things like this. Not seven. If you are a queer Christian or a Christian who believes and loves queer people, I need you to listen right now. This is my friend Nisa Powers. Her presence online has been sharing her journey as a new Christian. And because of that, her content has gained traction among conservative and fundamentalist Christians. When she became a Christian, she detransitioned because she felt like it was her only.

Starting point is 00:41:15 option. But now she is out and ready to be the woman that God created her to be. She is dealing with unfathomable hate and vitriol because of this choice. Okay, there is no hate or vitriol that I have seen towards him. And people saying that they're saddened by this, people trying to urge him to repentance, people calling him out for his lies is not hatred. It's not vitriol. I'm not saying that there are no people out there like that. There probably are. And you shouldn't be one. of those people, obviously, but it is absolutely legitimate and right and loving for us to say, dude, you're going the wrong direction. I don't even know if this person really thinks that he is a woman or what he's trying to do. I think that obviously something is going on there that's

Starting point is 00:42:02 wrong and that's evil and perhaps unstable. To me, the bigger issue seems to be that he is a pathological liar and that he has created a character to gain a following. And he has, He has been very successful at it, and that is a very difficult temptation to resist. And so I think that he is so in confusion here in trying to seek affirmation and gain attention. That is my guess. Now, that does not decrease my compassion for this person because lost is lost. You're lost, whether you're a man who thinks that you're a woman, you are lost if you

Starting point is 00:42:39 are a person that is basically a scam artist. So whatever is going on here, like he is in the grips of the prince of the power of the air of Satan, among whom we all once walked in the passions of our flesh, as Ephesians 2 says. And so the response is the same, that we pray for him. I also thought it was strange the whole time that he was going to all these different churches, and then he was finally going to get confirmed in the Catholic Church. But he also seemed kind of wishy-washy about that. And you know, it is interesting. Like you guys know, I'm a strong Protestant, and I've got my criticisms of Catholic. Catholic doctrine. But I saw actually a lot of evangelicals criticizing the Catholic priest who told Thomas, hey, I don't think you're ready to like be a part of this church. People are like, oh, that's so sad, that's so legalistic. I actually think props to the priest. Props to the priest who did that because the priest had discernment was like, we're not there yet. And honestly, I don't think that priest was saying you can never be a Christian and you're too gone for God's grace, but probably like, hey, we need to kind of suss this out and see the sincerity of your conversion

Starting point is 00:43:46 and of your desire to become Catholic. I actually think that's fair coming from a non-Catholic there. The bigger problem, though, is that this person doesn't know and understand the gospel. This person clearly hasn't repented. Like there's something very deep and spiritual going on there, and we should absolutely pray for him. And I do just want to give like a word of caution when it comes to sharing the testimonies of people. I don't want us to become the older brother and the prodigal son story that we're always looking for a reason to be skeptical. I don't like that. Look, when Kanye West claimed to become a Christian and he made that gospel album, which is still amazing, by the way, like, I was excited. I celebrated that. Not because I knew for sure that the conversion was real and that he would now

Starting point is 00:44:31 become some missionary and that he would stop all the degeneracy. Obviously, that's not what happened. but because the power of God is being proclaimed. And he was putting out these theologically solid worship songs. And I do think that touched people's lives and that God can use anything, including that to draw people to Christ. And I celebrated that. I think that's how we have to feel when it comes to these people sharing testimonies. Lily Phillips, she's the only fans person who said that she got baptized, became a Christian.

Starting point is 00:45:02 Super skeptical of that because she also at the same time was like, yeah, I'm not going to stop doing what I'm doing. And that to me is the absence of the Holy Spirit. Sanctification is gradual. That happens by the Holy Spirit over time. But justification is something that happens at once. By grace through faith in Christ, we believe he saves us. But that conviction starts right away. Not everything, but the old has passed, the new has come.

Starting point is 00:45:24 We become new creations. And so there is this hatred of sin that builds and builds and builds. We're not going to know everything all at once. We're not going to become perfect all at once. but there is a conviction of sin and understanding that my old self, the old ways of what I'm doing, has to change. Remember, we had Brittany Daylor on, and she used to be an adult film star, and then she became a Christian. Yes, it took some time for her to have conviction, but when she read the story of Jezebel and she saw,

Starting point is 00:45:53 that's me, I can't do that. It wasn't like she was like, okay, that's me, and now I'm going to continue pornography for 15 years. like she knew even as a new Christian that God was telling her this is not okay like you've got to change you got to change what you're doing so I think we don't want to be cynics okay and we don't want to be complete and total skeptics we want to celebrate when someone is curious about God we want to meet them with kindness Romans 2 tells us that God's kindness leads us towards repentance okay and that's true of everyone so we need to be excited about that while also hesitating before platforming that person telling everyone to follow them

Starting point is 00:46:31 looking to that person as a moral example or as a theological teacher. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We got to slow our role there. Okay? We got to back up a little bit. And those of us who have a platform, I'm not saying this from a place of perfection, we have to be so careful about the stories that we curate that we give to people. Have learned that the hard way, okay?

Starting point is 00:46:51 We just have to be really careful because we do have a sense of responsibility for the stories that our audience hears. Okay, you've got a lot of vulnerable people listening to you and watching. you and you can't be perfect. You have to rely on the wisdom for the Holy Spirit, but make sure that you are relying on the wisdom from the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit is not encouraging you to have a guest on just because you think it's going to perform well. Like the Holy Spirit is love and truth. And so that might mean not having a person on that you know is going to get a lot of views because you're not sure about the genuineness of their conversion. That's tough. But it's worth it

Starting point is 00:47:29 over time. We've got souls who are watching us and like what we say and what we platform really matters. So let's pray for him. Let's pray for the fullness of repentance. And let's just pray that the Lord would relieve him of the burden of lies. Like you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free Thomas Powers. The truth will set you free. And Jesus in John 146 says that he is the way, the truth in the life that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Like you can just bear your soul to God. You can be who you really are. You can take off the costume. You can forego the character. You can lose all of the followers because what does it benefit you to gain the whole world? To gain all of Instagram, to gain all of TikTok, to gain all of the podcasters, but lose your soul. It gains you nothing. It gains you nothing. And that is true for all of us, not just for Thomas Powers. So I feel for him, all of us have been in deceit at some point. And you got to be relieved from it. It's a really good feeling. It's a really good feeling, a feeling to be relieved from lies.

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Starting point is 00:50:59 You've got $20 off your subscription. BlazTV.com slash Alley, code alley. Okay, I just wanted to talk about this really sad trend that's going on. And all of these comments under this video on TikTok that went viral of these moms saying that they actually want their sons to become gay. So a pregnant mother, and we're just going to post the voiceover for copyright reasons, we can't actually play the song that she's playing. But she is, this is a pregnant mother. She's got a pregnant belly in. She's playing a song, Abba, for her son. She's like, oh, I want to make my son gay.

Starting point is 00:51:40 I'm going to raise my son a little gay and play him Abby. And she's playing, give me, give me a man after midnight. All right. The comments are saying things like this. My son is for and exclusively listens to Sabrina Carpenter. Hopes are very high for him being gay. My son just officially came out a few months ago. Chearing emoji.

Starting point is 00:52:03 My son was born to Dancing Queen. I have high hopes for him. My son skips during basketball. He's the sweetest. Hoping for you, moms. My four-year-old son's favorite color is rainbow. My son loves the new Lady Gaga song. He's only one and a half, but I have high hopes.

Starting point is 00:52:20 Okay, this is disgusting that you are thinking about your child's sexuality. Okay? That's weird. That's weird. Just know that. That you're weird. You've read too many Glenn and Doyle and Colleen Hoover books, and your brain is fried. and you don't any longer have a grasp on reality.

Starting point is 00:52:40 Like, I would be okay if you just never thought about your child's sexuality, but the fact that you're thinking and not just thinking, but hoping that they turn out gay, for what reason? What a horrible thing. I'm sorry, but it's a horrible thing to wish on someone. It is. Now, I'm a Christian, and I believe that homosexuality is a sin. Okay.

Starting point is 00:52:58 But I also think that it's bad for society to encourage this kind of thing, that we should be encouraging our boys to be strong. and to be brave and to be protectors and to be fighters and to rein their masculine energy into good things. Yes, and you can call that old-fashioned, but it's true. It's actually just by nature that boys and girls are different. Now, it's okay if a boy skips in basketball. Like, it's okay if they're little and they like the beat to a certain song. I'm not saying that we need to shame that or all boys have to like the same things and have the same hobbies. and have the same personality, interests, all of that.

Starting point is 00:53:38 I think that's okay. But for us to push boys toward feminism, femininity and feminism, but femininity, like that is a part of conversion therapy, if you will, that I find very, very grotesque. And I talk about this concept of what I call toxic mommy culture in my book, you're not enough, and that's okay. when moms make their feelings and their validation and their social image the highest priority, and they project that onto their kids. And they use their children as props to perform this like progressivism on social media

Starting point is 00:54:16 for likes, affirmation, cultural approval. There's also a part of toxic mommy culture that like women glorify hating motherhood and not liking their kids. I think that's gross too. It's also, I'm sorry, but it's a part of this high. hyper-gental, permissive parenting, where you don't have boundaries, you don't have any direction for your child, you don't have any discipline for your child, you don't guide them in truth, you don't teach them about objective truth, you don't teach them about objective morality,

Starting point is 00:54:44 and you just want them to become like the world. It's so unhealthy, and I just wish that we could allow boys to be boys. Like being a boy is not some disease. You've got people like Jen Newsome up there being like, oh, I change the protagonist in stories that I read to my sons to women. I make my sons play with dolls so they know that men are also caretakers. That's just weird. Like, I have a ton of nephews. I've got girls. And then I have a ton of nephews.

Starting point is 00:55:14 And my girls turn everything into a family. You got three forks. It's mommy, daddy, baby fork. My nephews, everything becomes a gun. Okay? And I don't chastise that because boys and girls are just different. And with girls, I say girls, mostly it's relationship management for a very early age. Like even when they're young, but into teenagers, it's relationship management. Boys,

Starting point is 00:55:38 injury management, parenting boys, relationship management, parenting girls. These distinctions are good. And that's not to say that all girls and boys are the same, but like this is the beauty of the distinctions of genders that complement each other and we should be affirming that. And I just find this little thing that this mother is doing gross, gross. Kids are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments. It's not good. Okay, let me pause. Let me tell you about our last sponsor for the day.

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Starting point is 00:57:08 Okay, I just wanted to end the show quickly. I just wanted to play this clip of President Trump. He delivered some remarks at the White House, the welcome ceremony for King Charles and Queen Camilla. And it was a good ceremony. He had a really good speech. And he called it a day of diplomacy in Washington designed to emphasize the bond between the United Kingdom and the United States that is so strong it can withstand the political

Starting point is 00:57:30 turmoil of the moment. And we hope that to be true, although the UK has abandoned a lot of the values that had held America and the UK together. This is a celebration of America's 250th anniversary. Lots of funny pictures came out of this. Trump holding a bee and Melania and Camilla and Charles looking at him like, what are you doing? That is an analogy for so many things when it comes to Trump. He really is like unflappable in so many ways. But in his welcome speech, Trump highlighted the shared values and history between the U.S. and the U.K. And I just really like this part, sought eight. Long before Americans had a nation or a constitution, we first had a culture, a character, and a creed. Before we ever proclaimed our independence, Americans carried

Starting point is 00:58:19 within us the rarest of gifts, moral courage. And it came from, you. a small but mighty kingdom from across the sea. So good. Yeah, so many good parts about our relationship, even though there was a divorce a couple centuries ago. But the fact that we had that revolution and we had that fissure and then we were still able to be allies through so much turmoil and allies for good is really amazing. And it speaks to a shared Christian, distinctly Christian, heritage. And as we lose that, we can expect the alliances that we've relied on for a long time to fizzle and to frasal. King Charles actually said something in his speech about the Christian heritage of England. And I'm like, okay, I heard you say England, not in Glenistan. Okay. And so

Starting point is 00:59:15 we're going to have to be a little bit clearer about that because I'm not so sure that the message is being conveyed in Joliel, England, about our Christian heritage. We got the same problem here and the United States though but it's true we got a Christian foundation when you lose the Christian foundation you lose all of the good things that came with that Christianity innate human rights we were made in the image of God and therefore we were given by our creator an alienable rights among them being life liberty and the pursuit of happiness that's not an agnostic idea it's not an atheistic idea that is not a Buddhist idea it's not an Islamic idea it's a Christian idea and when you lose Christianity you lose all the good stuff that came with it I want England to know that I want

Starting point is 00:59:54 America to know that we need a reawakening. And as I said in the beginning, we got a gospel literacy problem. So Christians know your gospel, know your Bible, and share it with others. The West depends on it. And of course, much bigger than that, souls depend on it. All right, that's all we got time for today. We'll be back here on Friday.

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