Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1358 | Cardi B’s Reaction to the Karmelo Verdict Radicalized Me 

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Allie reacts to breaking news from the Southern Baptist Convention, which passed an amendment defining pastoral roles strictly for males. Shifting gears, the sin of partiality is turning murderers into victims and white victims into villains. Allie covers the Karmelo Anthony murder trial, as the 19-year-old faces charges for stabbing Austin Metcalf to death at a 2025 Frisco, Texas, track meet, yet crowds chant for his freedom, and media narratives racialize the case despite the evidence. Conversely, in the U.K., bodycam footage from the Henry Nowak stabbing reveals police handcuffing the dying 18-year-old victim while showing leniency toward his Sikh killer, highlighting dangerous double standards. This video examines how overcorrections on racism have distorted justice in both America and Britain, echoing the racial divisions of the O.J. Simpson trial. What does the Bible say about such partiality? Also, the Department of War narrows down religious affiliations recognized by the Chaplain Corps, but Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) take issue with the fact that LDS was not listed as a Christian denomination. Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252. Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Time Codes 0:00 Introduction 1:53 SBC Truth & Unity Amendment 5:29 The Karmelo Anthony Trial 45:59 The Killing of Henry Nowak in the UK 1:00:30 LDS Not Classified as Christian by Department of War – Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers | To support a company that honors America’s past, present, and future, visit ⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠ today. When you start your plan, you’ll get to pick a free meat that will be included in every order for life, and you’ll get $25 off your first order using my exclusive code, ALLIE. Legacybox | Visit Legacybox.com/ALLIE to take advantage of Legacybox’s Spring Cleaning sale and preserve your family’s story. CrowdHealth | Join CrowdHealth to get started today for $99 for your first three months using code ALLIE at ⁠⁠⁠JoinCrowdHealth.com⁠⁠⁠⁠. CrowdHealth is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. EveryLife | Visit EveryLife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% off your first order today! PreBorn | To donate, dial #250 and say the keyword “BABY.” Or visit Preborn.com/ALLIE. Episodes You May Like: Ep 1352 | Is God Sending Bluebirds to Christian Influencers? https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1352-is-god-sending-bluebirds-to-christian-influencers/id1359249098?i=1000769886414 Ep 1239 | Epstein Files Released, Snoop Dogg Criticizes Gay Movie & Media Ignores Charlotte Murder https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1239-epstein-files-released-snoop-dogg-criticizes/id1359249098?i=1000725588830 Ep 1168 | Should Austin Metcalf’s Dad Forgive His Murderer? https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1168-should-austin-metcalfs-dad-forgive-his-murderer/id1359249098?i=1000702758573 --- ► Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (and That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on social media: https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► Relatable merchandise — use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Carmelo Anthony was found guilty of murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison. We've got wild reactions from Cardi B and Congress. Also, there was a debate on Twitter over whether or not Mormonism is Christianity and the recognition of Christianity by the Department of War. We will wade into this debate and we've got so much more to cover on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alia.

check out that's good ranchers.com go to alley. Hey guys, welcome to relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. Just want to thank you all for your mini congratulations on baby number four that is headed our way sometime this fall. We are super excited and y'all have just been so sweet in your comments and your messages. If you haven't heard the news, then surprise.

I am pregnant with number four. And you can go back and listen to Monday's episode. I talk about finding out that I was pregnant and how. we kind of went through deciding whether or not we wanted to try for number four. And of course, ultimately, God is the author of life. And he decides how and when to bless us with children. And I'm just so thankful for this gracious gift. My husband and I both are.

So thank you all so much for your prayers. All right. We've got a lot of news to get into today. And everything worked out. We originally were going to talk about Carmel, Anthony on Monday, but then we changed plans. And of course, over the past couple of days, so much has developed with the trial and then the verdict and then the sentencing and then the reaction to all of that. And so we'll get into that today since we now have the full

perspective on everything that went down. But first, this just in, as I'm recording this, the Southern Baptist Convention has voted on the constitutional amendment that was put forth by Al Muller that is the, that's the truth and unity amendment. And this is solidifying and shrining in the Southern Baptist Constitution that women cannot hold the officer function of pastor. So this constitutional amendment passed with 74.66% of the vote. So that is the two-thirds vote, more than the two-thirds vote, that is needed to keep going. It's not done yet. This constitutional amendment is not going to be ratified because next year, the

SPC, the messengers have to vote again. And if they pass that two-thirds threshold again, then this amendment will be enshrined in the SBC constitution. And if you want to know more details, why is this necessary? Isn't this basically already a part of Southern Baptist doctrine isn't in the Baptist faith and message? We covered this thoroughly last week. I really encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode, we'll link it in the description of this episode so you can know the details and hear more of Al Mueller in his own words. His amendment says that it is to make clear that a cooperating Southern Baptist Church does not affirm a point or endorse a woman serving in the office or function of a pastor, elder, overseer specifically

preaching to the assembled congregation. So at the SBC Convention, which is happening right now, Al Moeller makes his pitch for this amendment. SOT 9. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is an opportunity for Southern Baptist to speak in truth, in unity, in conviction, consistent with our confession. There's a great line that divides liberal and biblical evangelicalism, and you can see it on this very issue. The trajectory of liberal denominations is clear.

The Southern Baptist Convention in adopting the Baptist Faith and Message in the year 2000 stated confessionally that the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by scripture. Subsequent years, 26 subsequent years, have demonstrated that we need constitutional clarity on this issue. This will allow Southern Baptist to move forward in unity and in truth, and I believe the Lord has brought us together in Orlando, Florida to do just that. So that was part of the short speech that he made there on the floor. And so we will see what happens next year. You got to keep up a lot of momentum there.

And those who are advocating for this amendment have to continue to make their case through the convention in Indianapolis next year. Also, Willie Rice was just voted in as the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention. I didn't know much about Willie Rice. He has a pastor from Baptist Church in Florida, but I hear from someone who is attending right now that this is the more conservative pick. And so people are excited about that. Had some rough years there in the SBC flirting with liberalism in a lot of ways when it comes to egalitarianism, when it comes to social justice. And so these do seem like a turn in the direction of doctrinal biblical faithfulness. And so we're happy about that. Maybe we'll have Dr. Mueller on some. time in the next couple of weeks just to talk about more of what's going on in the SBC and why it matters whether you are Baptist or not. All right. Now let's turn our eyes to Carmelo Anthony and his murder trial. Those of you who have been listening for a long time, you know, born and raised in Dallas, Texas. This occurred just minutes away from where I grew up. This hits

closer to home because of that. Because these communities are so intertwined, I mean, I can picture in my mind's eye so perfectly, the kind of field on which this happened and where this is located in the Dallas metroplex. Of course, this matters objectively because these are people made in God's image, because a young man lost his life completely unnecessarily. And so I can't follow every single trial and every single case that goes on in the country. But this one especially caught my attention for a variety of reasons. Also, because it speaks to this larger trend of Western institutions having overcorrected in their approach to racism. So in an effort to make up for past discrimination, especially in the United States, things like Jim Crow laws,

and in order to avoid accusations of racial bias, really the justice system and the media often show greater sympathy toward minority offenders than toward white victims. And that's wrong. That is unjust. It is just as unjust as discriminating against black. people because of the color of their skin are showing more sympathy toward white people because of the color of their skin. It's wrong in both cases. Lady Justice is supposed to be blind. And we don't just see this trend here in the U.S. with Austin Metcalf and Carmelo Anthony. We also see it with the tragic case of Henry Novak. We've watched that trial. We watch that trial and the verdict take place when it comes to that crime and Henry Novak losing his life.

We'll get into more of that today as well. It shows that the sin of racial partiality is actually blinding Western culture to true justice. And it's a deadly evil. Both killers were found guilty. Thank the Lord. But the police negligence in Novak's case and the massive support of Carmelo Anthony that he was able to garner, show how deep this rot is defending murders on the grounds of so-called anti-racism. So that is why I'm looking at both of these cases. And while the verdict ended up in the right direction in both, I'm still worried about aspects of how the

conversation went, how the debate went and what it speaks to when it comes to how we define and carry out justice. So let's first look at the murder trial of Carmelo Anthony. It began last week. The 19 year old was found guilty of murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison. On Tuesday afternoon, after stabbing Austin Metcalf to death at a Frisco, Texas. tracked me in April 2025. Because Carmelo was a minor at the time of stabbing, he was 17, the death penalty was not on the table. There's a possibility of parole after 17 and a half years, half of his sentence. He would be 36 and a half. And so he could still get married, have children, which of course is much more of a future than he allowed for Austin Metcalf. He pleaded not guilty

claiming the killing was self-defense. And then we have that picture. right there of Carmelo and the young man that he murdered, Austin Metcalf, who was also 17 when he lost his life. So according to the arrest report, Carmelo, a Frisco centennial high school student, was in the tent for Frisco Memorial students. So that's different high school in Austin, who was a student at Frisco Memorial, asked him to leave. They were both 17 at the time. Carmelo reportedly replied, touch me and see what happens. Austin reportedly grabbed Carmel's shoulders to move him and Carmelow pulled a knife from his bag and stabbed Austin in the chest. Austin died at the scene in the arms of his twin brother,

Hunter. This video, this interview of Hunter Metcalf after the incident happened, it just lives on replay in my brain because of just how tragic this is, Sot 1. He's a good kid. We just found a long vacation. That's really it. But He has a good heart. Everyone knows. Everyone knows. He knows he's a great kid. He just one mistake.

That dude and this just took my brother. He didn't deserve it. No one deserves a loss from a family like that. I know people that always have family members all the time. Bodge's a knows to be mine so soon. There are reports also that when he was holding his brother, Austin, as he was bleeding out, as he was taking his final breaths, that Hunter was saying, this is my best friend.

This is my best friend. I mean, I just cannot imagine the pain that he is still going through. And, you know, I've seen a lot of people say over the past 24 hours, gosh, pray for Carmelo Anthony and pray for his parents. Yes, absolutely. We should. Carmelo Anthony is a human being made in God's image. And he is not beyond redemption.

No one is beyond redemption. I do pray for him. I pray that God's kindness would lead him to repentance. I pray that in his jail cell, that he, when he is dealing with a full burden, brunt of the law and the full brunt of the consequences of his actions that Jesus would meet Carmelo Anthony where he is, that he would trust and believe in the gospel, that he would be washed over with the guilt and the shame of his actions that can actually lead to a humility and a repentance that is needed from all of us when we come to Christ to realize, gosh,

we are sinners in need of a Savior and only by grace through faith, can we be saved? I pray that for Carmelo. I pray that for his family. If his family doesn't already know Christ, but I also am praying for Hunter. I see fewer people, even on our side of things, on the conservative side, saying, please pray for Hunter than I am. People seeing people say pray for Carmelo, don't forget about Hunter Metcalf. Like, don't forget about his parents. I don't know exactly where they are in their faith.

They think all parties at one time or another have kind of invoked Christianity. But gosh, pray that the God of all comfort would be with Hunter. because Satan can use this in Hunter's life to try to destroy his faith, to destroy his joy, to destroy his hope. I mean, if he can, you know, if he can lead to the situation, if he can create the kind of conflict and stoke the kind of division that would lead to a murder like this and take the life, the physical life of one brother. It's just a win for him if he can try to hurt spiritually the other brother. And so pray for protection, pray that God would redeem the situation. for Hunter and use this testimony not only to help himself and to remind himself of God's faithfulness

in the darkest times, but also to help other people. So I just don't want to see all of the sympathy shift toward Carmelo and his family. They deserve some sympathy because they are people, of course. And they have also lost in a way a son, a person. And it's really sad. But I don't want to to forget that there is an entire family that is still reeling from the very fresh loss of an innocent life in Austin. And so God is big enough to be working on a million things when we only see one thing, but let's not forget that family in our prayers as well. All right, we've got more on this and the actual trial. What went down in just a second. Let me pause. Let me tell you about our first sponsor for the day. It's Legacy Box. So Legacy Box is such a cool company, an amazing service.

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So you'll remember that when Carmela was arrested by the Frisco police, that he confessed to them saying, I'm not alleged I did it. So I guess the police said something along the lines of. It's alleged that you stabbed him. And he just straight up said, I'm not alleged, I did it. And then he asked if what he did would constitute as self-defense. I see some people trying to defend Carmelo saying that he was asking if Austin Metcalf was okay to the police. Well, apparently it is because he wanted to see if he was going to go to prison for the rest of his life. He was asking,

is that self-defense? He put his hands on me. Carmelo said, I told him not to. Well, look, there's a lot of things that we could tell someone not to do. And if they do it, were still not justified in murdering them. And it's very sad that he doesn't have parents who taught him this. I mean, this is obvious that just because someone disrespects you, someone touches your shoulder, someone even shoves you, although as we'll get into witness testimony, he said it was like a very light push that Carmelo's body didn't even move when he was pushed. It wasn't anything aggressive. But even if it had been, that's not a threat to your life. And so you don't get to disproportionately respond by killing someone. I mean, that should.

should be obvious. That's basic common sense. But absolutely, your parents should teach you that. Your parents should be teaching you about self-control. They should be teaching you about impulse control. They should be teaching you about the law. They should be teaching you about the consequence of your actions. I don't know whether or not his parents taught him that if he was coddled. If he lacked discipline, I don't know. But it didn't set in, obviously. So despite the details revealing this to be very clearly murder and not self-defense. Carmelo has a lot of supporters, both online and showing up in person at the Collin County Courthouse. Last week, people started demonstrating in supportive Carmelo Anthony Channing. I declare, I declare Carmelo Anthony is free. Name it and

claim it. Sought two. Okay. So is this representative of every black person who lives in Frisco or lives in America? Absolutely not. But unfortunately, this reaction is an exclusive to, like a dozen of these demonstrators in front of the courthouse. This is a sentiment that we have now seen echoed by many people, even prominent people across the country. There was one supporter who spoke to the Dallas Morning News who said so many of us black Americans have similar stories of us being bullied or harassed by these people, these people. And we try to defend ourselves. It's an issue. Well, yeah. Like if someone bullies you or says something mean to you and you, and you quote unquote defend yourself by stabbing them in the heart, it's an issue. Yeah, it's a problem.

Like, it's an issue with the law. And it's amazing to me how many people think that perceived disrespect as a justification for murder is actually very, very disturbing. Even members of the new Black Panther Party, the black nationalist hate group, that's just what they are, arrived to support Carmelo. You can see this picture right there. I mean, it's hard to see how this is not jury intimidation, which is against the law. You're not supposed to have any effect or try to have any effect on the jury whatsoever. I think those people should be arrested for that attempt. You even see a protester in front of the Cullen County courthouse taking a knee. She's got her hand up, the black power. And I just want to remind you, like, this is even different than George Floyd

and things got so convoluted after George Floyd died and so many facts were not revealed at first. were then revealed later about the levels of fentanyl and his body and Derek Chauvin and all of that. But at least in that case, you had someone who died. And the allegation and the thought was initially that he was killed by a police officer who was acting in a cruel way. And you had people defending someone who they believed, many beliefs sincerely, was a victim. And then believed also, even though we don't have any evidence of this, that he was killed because of color of his skin, at least you understand the sympathy there. Like, you could understand how someone would see George Floyd or see Michael Brown or see these other people who were killed by a white

person or by a police officer as victims. Even if they're wrong about some of the details and their impugning motives that we don't know actually exist. Like, you understand where the sympathy is coming from. We're not talking about a black person who was killed. We're not talking. We're not talking about a black victim or a perceived victim. We are talking about a black person who murdered a white person and still we have people showing up raising their fist in black power in defense of Carmelo Anthony. That is not only insane, it is so deeply demonic that you believe good is evil and evil is good. There's a clip that was recorded right before the verdict was decided. Protesters say say his name for Carmelo as if he is the victim. Again,

Again, this is what you say for Breonna Taylor, if this is what you say for Michael Brown or all of these people who actually died because of a police interaction, Parmello is the murderer, and here they are honoring him. Top three. Okay. What do we want justice? When do we want it now? The people who yell loudest and most persistently about justice have zero clue what it is.

Justice to social and racial justice activist means getting the outcome. that they desire. Okay, justice actually isn't primarily about the outcome. Justice is primarily about the process, about the due process done in a way that is fair, objective, blind, legal. Justice is not just getting the outcome that you want because of the color of someone's skin. That's actually unjust. Partiality showing preferential treatment toward someone because they're rich, because they're poor, because they're black, because they're white, because they're an immigrant, because they're native born. That is unjust. Justice by definition has to be impartial and colorblind in order for it to be just. And so they're using these words and mean the exact opposite of what the

words mean. But this word in these black activist groups, justice, has been thrown around and distorted and manipulated so many times. And of course, justice is seen as universally positive. And so if you just attach a universally positive word to your movement, you are going to be manipulated and manipulate other people into thinking that your cost is good. Both families have received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations. The Metcalfs have raised $586,714 through GoFundMe. That's of Tuesday, June 9th. And then the Anthony's raised $625,885,000 through give, send, go. almost 50K more than was raised for the murder. Okay, so Carmelo Anthony has garnered a lot of sympathy,

the one who murdered someone else. There are more reactions to the guilty verdict. Dom Alexander, he says this just shows that black lives don't matter in Colling County. But what this process did is shown that black lives do not matter in Collin County. It showed us that. time in American history, it has shown us to remove emotions from yet the law. This trial showed that it put emotions over the law. After Trayvon Martin and so many countless names, it has shown us that black life is not safe

in Collin County. This is so madameedly insane. Like these people should not be within 15 months. miles from making any consequential decisions whatsoever, especially when it comes to the law and justice. The exact opposite of what he said is true. We are talking about a black perpetrator killing a white guy. I have no idea if it was racially motivated. Okay. So I'm not going to do the same thing that the BLM activists do when a white person kills a black person and just assumes automatically that it's because of race and discrimination. I have no idea if Carmelo Anthony

hated white people or if he killed Austin Metcalfe because he was. wife. I have no clue, but I do know that he was a black person who killed a white person and suddenly we're talking about black lives not being safe in Collin County. That is actually insane. And then we have Cardi B, y'all. Cardi B, the rapper, she's speaking up about this verdict. She says, wow, just freaking wow, disgusting. This is not justice. This is trying to make an example. What are you even sane. Not that I expected Cardi B to like understand what due process is or to have this solid moral compass, but also like if Nikki Minaj can do it, I feel like you could too, Cardi B. Like I feel like if you just tried and you turned your thinking cap on for a second,

you could see that yeah, murder is bad and you should go to jail for murder. He's not getting the death penalty. He's not getting life in prison. He's going to get out when he's in his mid-30s. He could get married. He could have kids. He could probably get a job. He might even, well, he might get out in his mid-30s. He could get out later than that. It depends on the parole situation. But he has more of a future than Austin Metcalf has. And yeah, we should make an example out of murders. That's part of the reason for the justice system. It is preventative in that way. It is saying, hey, if you do this, you will also give this punishment, so don't do it. Like, that's a good thing. We want.

people who are potential murders to see the justice system actually working and saying, I'm going to think twice before I kill someone because I'm mad that they threaten to touch my backpack. It's not just rappers like Cardi B. It's not just these random activists. It's also representatives. It's also Congress people. We've got Jasmine Crockett. She represents Houston. She said that it's actually black women who live in fear and that the Metcalfs have no clue what they're going through. Stop five. Black women, especially black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. A fear and agony that I promise you, the men calves probably never spend a day living that way.

Why? Why do they live in fear and agony? Why do moms of black boys, black men live in fear and agony? Has nothing to do with Austin Metcalf, has nothing to do with the police, has nothing to do with white people. If black mothers fear for their son's lives, the fear should be toward other black men. Because statistically, black men are the ones killing black men. Every single day, black boys are killing black boys in the streets every single day. that has nothing to do with white people, that has nothing to do with the police. And how cruel and how callous, how evil is this for a congresswoman to say this in reaction

to a verdict of a trial that has to do with a boy being murdered? And her words of sympathy are not for the Metcass. It's actually to say, you don't really know suffering. You've never been through anything as hard as black moms. Look, black people are not systemically discriminated against it in America. They're just not. If anything, there is a system of preferential treatment towards those who are perceived as marginalized in this country.

I mean, especially when it comes to things like affirmative action, certainly in progressive cities, when you have these progressive DAs that absolutely show preferential treatment based on racial quotas. So this myth that is being perpetuated that is used as an excuse to be cruel against people because of the color of their skin, cruel against Austin Metcalf and his family, I just think it's disgusting. And I just have no tolerance for it. I just really, really don't. I haven't had tolerance for it since 2020. But even more so now that we are talking about sympathy for someone who murdered someone else, not the person who died, I just, I can't. I don't

have any patience for it anymore. No understanding whatsoever. And I think it's disgusting. All right. We're going to get into more of this. And we're going to look at the and what some of the witnesses said in just a second, just to solidify this in your mind in case you have any doubt whatsoever about this verdict and how things ended up. Let me pause. Let me tell you about our next sponsor. This is another good idea for a Father's Day present. Like if you've got a dad or a husband or a grandfather, do you feel like has everything

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as he should have been. Just as if a white person was like, nope, can't put a fellow white in jail or a woman was like, I'm not going to put a woman in jail for doing, no, we can't do that. You have to be able to be objective. And this person said he wouldn't be objective. And then there were other black prospective jurors. They were dismissed, but not for racial reasons. And as far as we know, not because they said something like that one prospective jurors said, prosecutors say that they determined that educators of school age children could not be impartial when judging this case. And then the Anthony family spokesman. So that's Dominique Alexander.

That's the guy earlier who said Collin County isn't safe for Black Lives crazy. He said that because there were no black jurors, Carmelo was not receiving a fair trial. Well, that's also just an admission. that you don't believe justice should be subjective, that you think that people should factor in their own skin color and the skin color of the defendant when trying to decide the verdict. Not good.

The prosecutors argued that since this case itself was not race-based, a diverse jury pool wasn't required. And yes, of course, that's true. This presumption that diversity is always strength, diversity is always wisdom. Diversity always ends and better outcomes is just not true. It's not supported by any evidence whatsoever. I do think that there are some situations where having diverse perspectives, nationality,

maybe even the color of your skin, gender could actually be beneficial and could be helpful. But that's not objectively true across the board. And I agree with the prosecutors in this case. That's not something that's necessary at all. Some online outlets like The Shade Room have reported that the jury is all white. This is not true. This is just a way to gin up outrage, which why? Why do progressives love to do that? I mean, I think we know the answer, but they love perpetuating

these trigger words. They love putting out these narratives that they think are going to cause riots and violence because riots are the voice of the unheard. And they love the intimidation and the mob justice tactic because if they can't win in the courtroom, if they can't win in Congress, they're going to win via intimidation. And then they'll turn around and say conservatives are the one always vying for unfair power. Okay. It's all a projection. Saul Olensky tactics. Daily mail reporter Marianne Martinez gives the race breakdown of the jury pool to debunk this all-white jury rumor. Basically, I don't have to go down the entire list, but you can see it there if you're watching on YouTube, two Asian women, Middle Eastern woman,

wearing a head covering an Indian woman and a Hispanic or Indian man. Okay, this is actually just very representative of the Frisco area anyway. Like there are a lot of Hispanics. There are a lot of Middle Eastern, Indian, Asian people, and then a lot of white. It's not heavily a black area. So it actually just is representative of the larger community. And then there were several witnesses who were called to the stand. And we heard a lot of very troubling details from these witnesses on Saturday. Witnesses called by the prosecution revealed that Carmelow provoked Austin before the stabbing. And by the way, since this case has become racialized, my preference would be. that it was never racialized whatsoever,

that we never talked about the color of their skin. But unfortunately, people made it that way. And so I have to point out that the witnesses that were brought to the stand were both black and white. There were black students, and there were white students who testified in this way. They said that Carmelo provoked Austin, that Carmello kept his hands in his backpack,

then Austin shoved Carmelos shoulders, and then Carmelho pulled out a knife and stabbed Austin. A 15-year-old witness said that Carmelo, quote, tried to provoke us when asked to leave the tent. A 16-year-old student athlete said that the Memorial team, Austin Metcalf's team, not Carmelo's. Carmel is from Centennial. Repeatedly told Carmelo to leave after he sat inside their tent. But he allegedly refused and started cursing at them and calling them name,

saying, F, y'all, F, y'all, I'm not going to leave. Y'all are a bunch of P-words. Y'all not going to do anything. Touch me and see what happens. Now, the defense tried to say that touch me and see what happens. happens was like a mode of self-defense, like some kind of, hey, if you do this, I'm going to interpret it as a threat to my life. Well, that obviously wasn't persuasive to the jury. It's not persuasive at all. That's a threat. That is a provocation. That's not saying,

hey, like, I feel like my life is in danger. And by the way, even if so, even if it was a warning that, hey, this is how I'm feeling. I've seen some activist saying, he said, it doesn't matter. If you say you're going to murder someone or you say that you don't like what someone is doing, that doesn't justify you're murdering of them. Okay. Austin Metcalfe allegedly replied, according to these witnesses, I'm not going to fight you. One of the witnesses, and I thought that this was really touching, he said the reason it was

Austin Metcalf, who was kind of leading the charge and confronting Carmelo was because he was always the leader. He was always the leader of the group. He was always taking one for the team. It makes me want to cry, actually. Like, he was always kind of laying himself down for his team. And by the way, his team that was sitting there in the tent were filled with white and black kids. This wasn't like some white on black situation. And now this is my perspective, my interpretation of what's happening, Carmelho seemed to have gone in the tent to cause trouble. And he was causing problems. And I don't know why he was trying to provoke them. I don't know if he was bothered by something. If he had been triggered by something, I don't know. But I bet that a lot of the people in the tent were

not comfortable with what was happening. Okay, you've got this guy. He's angry. He's calling people names. He's cussing. He seems more and more aggressive. You don't know what he's about to do. And of course, the thought is, okay, well, if I stand up, if we just say something about it, I mean, Austin Metcalf bigger than Carmelow Anthony, he probably said, okay, if I just kind of stand up and say, dude, leave, we're not going to do this. I'm not going to fight you in the 10th and he's going to leave. Of course, he had no reason to think that he was about to be murdered. On Monday, one of the defense witnesses said that he thought Anthony was in the wrong and revoked the fight. One of the defense, defense witnesses said he thought Anthony was in the wrong and provoked the fight.

And so this just was not a good showing for the defense. When Dr. Elizabeth Ventura took the witness stand, she showed autopsy photos of the stab wound and Austin's heart. And then members of the jury audibly gasped. One woman put her hand over her mouth. Carmelo looked away. Okay, so at least we see one moment of shame there or discomfort. That discomforted in that shame in Carmelo Anthony is good spiritually. Like we want him to be confronted with the evil that was perpetrated by him.

During cross-examination, one of Carmelo's attorney suggested Austin may have impaled himself on Carmelo's knife. Okay. So that's how things were going for the defense. He focused on the wound depth and angle and asked about several different scenarios in which Matt Calf could have suffered a wound at the angle he did. You know, I'm not even criticizing the defense. I think they had so little to work with.

Honestly, when you have someone who said in police custody, I've not alleged I did it. Like, you just, you don't have much to work with. And remember, the defense is not trying to prove innocence. The defense is trying to put enough doubt in the jury's mind that there is a possibility that Carmelo is not guilty. The jury has to believe that Carmelo is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And so the defense is trying to put a reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury, not trying to prove innocent. That's why verdicts are guilty and not guilty, not guilty and innocent. But it didn't work.

Carmelo Anthony chose not to take the stand. I'm sure the lawyer's advised like, hey, you're clearly not your own best advocate here. Carmelo Anthony, without a doubt, murdered Austin McCaff. I think we can say that confidently. I would have said that confidently weeks ago. I would have said that confidently when it happened based on everything that we know. So why are so many people rallying behind him? It reminds me a lot of the O.J. Simpson case. And the reaction to that, we don't have time to get into all of that. We actually had a whole segment prepared and going down memory lane and how many black activists and much of the black community at the time were supporting him,

despite the fact that it was so apparent by all of the evidence presented that he was clearly guilty. And the reaction to him being found not guilty in court, the disparate reaction. the disparate reactions between white Americans and black Americans, we can at least put up this full screen, full screen eight, that just shows this is representative. We went through a ton of interviews at the time that showed the different reactions from black Americans and white Americans. I mean, O.J. Simpson clearly murdered his wife, murdered his ex-wife

and murdered her alleged lover. Even the stats at the time show that most of the black community supported OJ. Simpson despite all of this evidence where most white people did not. Most white people were complaining that, you know, because he was famous and because he was rich, he was shown partiality. And then you saw a lot of black power, black support because of melanin count. Again, is this indicative of every single person in every single race? No. But it is a pattern that we unfortunately see a lot, this idolatry of skin color, idolatry of melanin count, refusal to take emotions and to take your lived experience and your skin color out of the equation when it

comes to justice. And as law schools become more progressive and they lean toward this kind of like minority victim mentality, we are unfortunately going to see a movement in the direction of injustice that is called justice. And that's why we need. I just want to call on you. If you are a Christian, like you need to become a lawyer probably. Like if God has equipped you for that, if you're considering going to law school, I think you should go to law school. I think you should take the bar exam. I think you should become an attorney.

Now, of course, I'm not the Holy Spirit in your life. And there could be so many other factors that are going on in your own season right now. But, you know, I got asked the other day, my husband, he's really brilliant and he does super well in law school and, you know, he's considering becoming an attorney or a pastor, what should he do? Well, again, I'm not any authority in your life and there could be so many different factors going on there, but I say lawyer. I say lawyer because I just think that there is so much that Christians can and must do in the area of law. Like, we serve the God who created justice. Those who served the God who created justice should be the ones carrying out justice.

And so please, godly people, join the Department of Justice. Make sure that you, and if you are a Christian lawyer already, make sure that you are in a position to advance justice in these really important areas. All right. I just want to look at these racial victimization rates. I think it's really important to just know what the truth is. We hear Jasmine Crockett. We see Cardi B.

We see these people assuming that white people are going around killing black people. That's certainly something that we heard over and over again in 2020. it's not true. It's just not remotely true. In 2025, the Department of Justice published a report on the rates of violent victimization in 23 and 24, which included racial data for both victims and perpetrators of violent crimes. That's something that racial justice activists, by the way, do not like. They don't like that the DOJ includes that data. An analysis of the data showed that after adjusting for population size, the per capita rate of black-on-white violent victimization was approximately 153 per 10,000 black people.

while the white on black rate was only 3.4 per 10,000 white people. So it is orders of magnitude more likely for a black person to kill a white person than a white person to kill a black person. And mind you, that black people only make up about 13% of the population. Black men who are the vast majority who are perpetrating these crimes make up about 6% of the population. And yet they are accounting for about 50% of all homicides in this country. specifically 153 killings per 10,000 black people of black on white victimization. Yikes. That means that black Americans were roughly 45 times more likely to commit a violent crime. Sorry, not killing. Forty-five times more likely to commit a violent crime. That's not always

killing against a white American and the other way around. So the fear and agony that, you know, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett claims black people feel towards whites is just, it's, it's, it's disproportionate. Most murders are actually intracial. FBI homicide data show that 88.9% of murders of black people were committed by black offenders. And you know, it seems like we have this conversation every few years and have for decades. And it seems exhausting. And it is exhausting. But we just got to, we have to keep saying it. And the truth has to, has to be recognized. And, you know, people can say, that's not epithetic. It's not kind to say. you don't understand, you haven't had their lived experience. Look, the truth matters, facts matter

more than feelings and about, and more than subjective experience. If you love someone, if you love your child and they say there's a monster in my closet, the loving thing to do is to turn on the light and show them that there's not. And the same is true here. No matter how angry people get, you need to know, like, what to actually be scared of. You need to know what is really going on that the enemy isn't white people. Okay. And until we realize, that things are going to be very chaotic and very divided for a very long time, unfortunately. The same is true when it comes to the UK and the story of Henry Novak there. Now, we recorded the next segment a few days ago. There's just been some rearranging with our recording schedule.

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Go to preborn.com slash alley. This week, there was body cam footage that was released of the UK police response to the stabbing of Henry Nowick. I think I pronounced his name differently now, noak, causing outrage and sparking protests when police arrived at the scene instead of arresting the murder, the guy who stabbed him, a Sikh man, they handcuffed Henry Noak, the victim, and he tragically died in custody, y'all. I haven't even been able to retweet this, talk about this on X, or talk about it on the show, or talk about it on my Instagram because of how just tragic I find it. I haven't been able to watch the footage. I don't want to see the pictures. I literally just saw a picture of Henry's hand as he was in custody, which was white and blue,

because he so obviously was bleeding out. And that just made me so sad. He went to the police for help after he was stabbed. And they just said, no, we don't think that you've been stabbed. So to back up a little bit, he was an 18-year-old from Essex. He was apparently a hardworking student here and good grades. He was a student at the University of Southampton, according to a studying, counting and finance. And then on December 3rd of last year, he was.

walking home from a night out with his football teammates, and he ran into this 23-year-old name Vikram Digwa, I assume from India. An altercation ensued. We don't really know all of the details. Digwa was openly carrying a large ceremonial Sikh knife with a blade over eight inches long. It's illegal to carry knives in public of the UK with a few exceptions. It's also illegal to carry pepper spray, tasers, stun guns for self-defense. Gosh, thank you to all of America's founders for the revolution. Sikhism is a religion that originated in the Punjab region of India and Pakistan. Sikhs are allowed to carry ceremonial knives in the UK for, quote, religious reason. So this is the knife that the guy used. You can see how sharp it is.

Yikes. So Sikhs wear these knives, ironically, in this case, as a reminder of their commitment to the tenants of their including justice, charity, morality, humility, and equality. So from the outset, this crime was enabled by UK's double standards. Any white person would have been arrested and faced a four-year prison sentence for carrying such a weapon. Literally just any white person, any British person. If someone said, you know what, I am a Catholic or I am Church of England and, you know, according to this passage, I am supposed to wear this as a symbol of self-defense or I am

was supposed to wear this as a symbol of the sword that is going to be coming out of Jesus's mouth when he returns to the second coming, whatever you want to use as your theological basis for it, it never would have flown. Like it just wouldn't have passed. Noak's killer could brandish the weapon openly with no repercussions just based on the color of his skin because no one's going to question you if you're from India and you say that you have a religious reason for this. Degwa stabbed Noak multiple times in this altercation, puncturing his lung. Degu's brother Grip called the police who, so he was there saying, we have just been attacked racially by some white person. No evidence of that. Here's audio of that call. Stop five.

I just parked on my car to come home and he's attacked my brother. You're talking about verbally or physically? No, no, he's physically attacked my brother. We're sick. We wear carbon and he's just attack my brother. Have any weapons been involved? No, no, no. Okay. No weapons involved. well, that is a lie right there. So we already see when he called the police, that is a lie.

This guy stabbed, or his brother, stabbed Henry multiple times. And so in the body cam footage that was just released, you see noax saying, I've been stabbed. I can't breathe, call an ambulance. To which the police simply respond, I don't think you have, mate. So he's not resisting arrest. They put him in handcuffs. The arresting officer asks for Henry.

name before reading him his rights. Noak is unresponsive and the female officer shines a light in his face and says, are we able to get an ambulance? His pupils aren't even reacting. Gosh, it just breaks my heart. And then Noak died at the scene and police officers who were involved in this arrest are making excuses and saying, we didn't know he was bleeding out, but literally the picture that I just told you about of his hand, obviously completely lifeless. He had blood all over his face and all over his body. you can see that he is bleeding out. And again, it actually is irrelevant whether or not there was some kind of altercation unless he was threatening this guy's life, unless he was also armed, unless he was

threatening to stab him, kill him, the Sikh guy, or whatever, even if there was a like racial bullying incident going on, which again, we've got no evidence whatsoever. And since the brother already lied, like, I just don't really believe. leave him there, that doesn't justify this guy being murdered. This doesn't justify Henry being stabbed multiple times. Mr. Noak said his son had not died with dignity and should not have died on the streets of Southampton and police custody. It's absolutely true. Even if you think that Henry Noak did something wrong in the first place, he should not have died. Like police should have helped him. They should have tried to save his life, to stop the bleeding,

take him to the hospital immediately, and then maybe we would know the details. Maybe then we would have actually gotten justice, but now we just have accusations from one side. We've got rumors, and we have a dead young man who won't live to graduate, who won't live to get married and have children, who won't have a future, because the police refuse to offer aid. Maybe because of the assumption that he really was just some racist, bigot bully that attacked this guy because he was Sikh. It's just not really believable that one individual, he looks like a very small guy, by the way, that he would decide, you know what, I think I'm going to attack two men. I'm outnumbered, but I think I'm going to attack these two men and bully them

and talk about their race and just risk my life. I'm sorry, it's just not believable, especially in the West today. We see Henry and Alex Dad or Noack's dad talking to the press about the police's double standard, SOTS. Henry should not have died on the streets of Southampton in police custody. The way he was treated was inhumane and degrading. His murderer, however, was afforded decency. He was believed. He was not handcuffed when arrested. He was not handcuffed when transported to the police station.

As far as we understand, he was never handcuffed at all. And as Vikram Digwer himself told the court, whilst under arrest for Henry's murder, police even took him to the kitchen so he could choose his food. The contrast is unbearable. Okay, so if you're white and you're British and you're accused of racism in the UK, you bleed out in police custody. But if you accuse someone of racism, even though you were found armed with a bloody knife, You are not handcuffed.

You are taken into custody. You're taken to a kitchen. Ask what your food preference is for that night. And you are treated like the victim. Okay. This is all because of this assumption that the whiter you are, the more guilty you are. And the browner you are, the less you are responsible for your own actions. This is a sickness, okay, that actually prevents true justice.

Now, Dekua was already known to the police in 2023. he was arrested and released without charge after stealing a thousand pounds worth of ceremonial Sikh knife. So not a great guy. Now, thankfully, Deguah was jailed for life with a minimum of 21 years. And so that's like pretty intense for the UK. And I'm actually kind of surprised by that. Over a thousand protesters gathered outside Southampton Central Police Station this week to hold a minute of silence for the teenager. There were reportedly clashes between police and demonstrators with one person being arrested. And we can just go through all of these pictures. There was a ton of support for Henry. I mean, people in the UK are just fed up.

Preferential treatment toward Muslims, toward immigrants, and partiality against Native Brits. That's a problem. That's a problem. We have a voiceover, I think, of the protest just to show the amount of support that Henry Noak got because he really is kind of a symbol at this point. of the injustice that I think a lot of Brits feel, the racial injustice that is happening, that the UK government really favors people from other countries over the people that were born and raised there, over the people who have been there for generations.

Justice is not blind there to many people in the United States. Justice is not and should not be blind. But that, of course, justice that is not blind, course is injustice. And again, the people who talk the most about justice seem to have the least understanding of what justice actually is. There was an English journalist by the name of Kathy Newman. She accused members of the British right like Nigel Farage of stoking the division. However, when pressed by Shadow Home Secretary Zia Zouf, she was unable to say that white lives matter as much as Black Lives. Thoughts heaven. What Nigel Farage said today was that white lives

matter as much as black lives. Do you disagree with that statement? I'm, you seem to be conducting an interview with me, but I'm trying to ask you the question. Nigel said that white lives matter as much as black lives. And my question to you is, do you disagree with that statement? And my question to you is about Nigel Farage's claims of anti-white prejudice. I'm kind of stunned that you couldn't bring yourself to say that you agree with the statement that white lives matter as much as black lives. I can't understand why you can't just confirm you agree with that statement. Zia, you're the senior member of a party.

You're a politician. My job is to hold you to account, so I'm asking you these questions. And I would love you to answer that question about racism against black and minority ethnic people by the police. I mean, that guy is ethnic. He seems like he's from, I don't know, maybe India or something like that. And this white lady can't even say that, yes, all lives matter the same, which is my stance, by the way. And that is simply what I want to see manifested in all manners of justice, whether it is law enforcement, whether it is sentencing in court. I want everyone to be able to receive due process and for everyone to be judged in righteousness and truth based on facts and not based on the color of their skin.

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and let's pray for justice to be done. And this is why Christians have to be involved in politics. It's why we have to be involved in the so-called culture wars. A lot of people try to diminish the importance of Christian involvement and what goes on in the world that I'm certainly not saying we should idolize politics or that we should be glued to the news or to our social media timelines all the time. Not at all. But Christians, because we know intimately the God who created justice, we are going to be

advocates of justice. God gets to define it. justice is not just what feels good. It's not just let's make up for past wrongs. It's not just, oh, well, let's give preferential treatment to those that we consider marginalized. No, no, no. That's not the definition of justice. Remember, justice according to the God who created it, is truthful, is proportional. It is direct. It is impartial. Those are some of the characteristics that define God's justice as we've talked about so many times. I really encourage you, if this is kind of a new subject and you're like, gosh, this is controversial because it has to do with race.

go back and listen to some relatable episodes from 2020 and 2021. We really tried as hard as we could to be as compassionate, as nuanced, but as direct and truthful as we could. When it comes to a lot of these narratives, surrounding race, surrounding immigration, surrounding policing and sentencing and all of those things, but the truth actually matters. It is actually not loving simply to empathize with someone who says, yeah, I believe that systemic racism is the cause of my problem. So it's not actually loving, just like it's not loving to tell your six-year-old who comes into your room at night, that there's, yes, indeed, a monster in her closet that she should be scared of.

The loving thing to do is to turn on the light. And to say, I understand why you're scared of this, but it's not actually true. And yeah, there's a lot of pushback that comes with that. But I believe God cares about justice. And I think that he cares about truth. And I love people too much to believe these lies that stoke all of this kind of fear and paranoia and hatred and injustice. I'm just not going to let go of it.

So I will be watching closely the trial of Carmelo Anthony. and I pray to God for true justice and not mob justice, not social media derived justice, but true justice that is based on the facts of what is good and right and true. And you should be, no matter your skin color, be praying for that too, because a system like that benefits each and every one of us are children and our children's children. All right, I couldn't end this news episode without talking about this big kerfuffle on X that had to do with what a Christian is,

What is a Christian? You know what? That could be the next documentary after what is a woman. Someone could do the what is a Christian documentary. I just gave someone a great idea. And there was a debate over whether or not Mormonism is Christianity. And the reason this debate was sparked is because the U.S. Department of Defense or Department of War has reduced its official list of recognized religious affiliation codes from 211 to 31.

So they've taken off things like Wiccan. and this is the first major revision since 2017 under the leadership of Pete Hedgeset. And so you've got agnostic, Baha'i faith, Buddhism. And then you have a bunch of different denominations than a bunch of different forms of Christian. And so there's Christian dash assemblies of God, Christian dash Baptist. It goes all the way down. And then there's also Catholic somewhere in here.

And then Christians have a Adventist. and then separately, no Christian dash, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Hindu, Islam, Judaism, etc. Okay, so people were not happy about this. For example, you've got Republican Senator from Utah, Mike Lee saying, can anyone tell me why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was left out of the list of Christian churches? Mike Lee, the big constitutionalist, very thankful for Mike Lee, and so much of the work that he has done for the Republican Party. I knew that he was LDS.

I did not know how passionate he was about this particular subject. And I don't have time to go through all of the Mormon responses on X, but this was the sentiment. This was the echoed message over and over again that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be connected to Christianity because it is, And then the argument that I see a lot is, well, it has Jesus Christ in its name, has church in its name. And you can make your arguments, theologically, for why LDS should be included

in Christianity. I had a debate with Jacob Hansen. I've talked about this several times on my show. But that is not a good argument. The argument that Jesus Christ is in the name and so therefore it's Christian isn't a good argument. People's Republic of China, the Republic of North Korea, that neither of those places are republics. And so you can call yourself a lot of things that doesn't necessarily mean that you are that thing. So anyway, much more interesting, robust conversation if we want to talk about the theology. One of the responses to Mike Lee, this is also something that I said is like, look, it's not Trinitarian. We don't even worship the same God. All of these different Christian denominations, including Roman Catholic, Orthodox,

and Protestants, we all believe in the Trinitarian. God. We all believe that Jesus is God, John 1, not that he shares in essence with God, not that he was elevated to God, not that he is spirit brothers with Satan, but that Jesus actually is God, that he is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I had some people argue with me about this saying, well, are you sure you're right? That's actually beside the point when we are talking about this particular thing. We can argue about who is right and who is not. I've done that in the past interesting conversation. The point is that we believe that and you do not, and that is a distinctive of Christianity. And actually, like, if you look back at what Joseph Smith believed in some of the

most prominent early teachers of Mormonism, they all believed that the church was apostate and that every denomination and every sect of Christianity, whether it was Roman Catholic or whether it was a Protestant denomination, had gotten it wrong. And not just a little bit wrong so that another denomination was started, but had gotten it fundamentally wrong, that the gospel itself was wrong, and that the church that existed at the time of Joseph Smith was completely rebellious and was not in alignment with the gospel or with God's will, which is why he started a new faith entirely. And this push for Mormonism to no longer become Mormon and to be wedded with evangelicalism or wedded with Christianity at large is extremely recent.

And I just wish that members of the LDS faith would be honest about that aspect. That it wasn't very long ago, I think 10 or 15 years ago, that there was a whole PR campaign of people in Hollywood and people in these different walks of life saying, I am Mormon. I am Mormon. That was the message to say, look, we exist out here. We're not just some enclave that exists in Missouri. or Idaho or Utah, we are your neighbors. We contribute to all these different parts of society

when Romney was running for president. There was no conversation about whether or not it is polite to say Mormon versus LDS. That is an extremely recent attempt by those of the LDS faith to try to conflate Mormonism with Christianity. That is not a push that has existed. In fact, it's a complete 180. It's a total about face from the former belief that they are completely distinct from the apostate churches in Christianity. However, Michael Knowles makes a good point here that I did not think about at the time. I said something about the Trinity being the distinction. He said, it does seem that the LDS are being unfairly singled out if the essential criterion for Christianity is Trinitarian theology. Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Christian

scientists, the Oneness Pentecostals, and even Quakers, in some instances, get a pass here. Okay, that's fair. All of them should be excluded from the Christian designation. Because Jehovah's Witness, also not Christian, that is a cultish sect of offshoot, that uses some form of Christian doctrine, manipulates it, turns it into something else entirely 144,000, all of that. Christian scientists, not even close to Christian. It actually is weird that that was included there.

on this Pentecostal same thing. Quakers, most Quakers don't even really practice Christianity. And so I agree with that point, but I don't think that that means that LDS does need to be included because LDS presents a different gospel and a different God entirely. And you are totally free to believe that. And we can acknowledge like LDS people are family centered. We share so many conservative values. There are even some theological beliefs that we at least ostensibly share. that they are good neighbors, good workers, all of that. We can acknowledge that. And obviously say that they're neighbors that we are meant to love without being bullied into saying, oh yeah, you and I essentially believe the same thing. You're not going to bully me into saying that because it's not true. It's not true. And this whole like very, very aggressive push to conflate

LDS with Christianity, I actually find that to be extremely ungracious. Like you have to realize that we evangelicals and Catholics are kind of taken off guard. That for a long time, you guys were content with being called Mormon and being distinct. And now you're trying to say, no, we're one of you. And we're like, hang on. Have you changed what you believe? The answer is no. And so why should we change what we say?

It's just weird. It's weird. I've got a little more to say on this. Let me pause, tell you about our last sponsor. It's crowd health. My husband and I switched to crowd health from traditional health insurance and it has saved us so much hassle and so much money. It's been great.

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believe that in order to have to reach the highest level of heaven in which God exists, and so to have full communion with him in his presence, you have to be baptized into the Mormon church. okay, that's adding on something to the gospel. That is adding on something to Jesus's sacrifice, his plan of redemption, not to mention that they believe Jesus to be completely different in nature than we do.

And so that is the big distinction there. Again, you can argue with me, as I saw a lot of people do after that debate, that you think the Mormon version of the gospel is better, that you think it's more merciful, than you think it's more gracious than the heaven-in-held dichotomy that is clearly presented in scripture.

You can take that up with scripture. You can take that up with God himself, who lays out his plan of salvation clearly in the Bible, and that is contradicted by Mormon theology. But that's not really the question. The question is, are they the same message, essentially? And they're not the same message. Now, Mike Lee later announced that he had spoken to the president

and that the issue had been resolved. He said, I just got off the phone with President Trump. We discussed the Pentagon's Christian list. I won't speak for him, but I'm thrilled about where this is heading. We're most fortunate that President Trump loves Latter-day Saints and is our commander-in-chief, stay tuned. Now, I do not expect Trump to get in some kind of theological quibble over this at all. And of course, Latter-day Saints are Republicans, Mormons are conservatives.

And so it behooves President Trump to satiate, to satiate the LDS community. Now, when it comes to Pete Hedgeseth, like, he is much more theologically driven and he is more ideologically inclined. and so I don't expect him to, you know, have taken this kind of conversation quite as lightly or as gently as the president. But the Pentagon did update their religious affiliation codes by removing the Christian label altogether. And so the list included, quote, redundant and unnecessary labeling and the mistake has been fixed. So I do think it's interesting that the Pentagon says that it was redundant and unnecessary, not that they actually made a mistake in what they labeled as Christian and what they didn't

label as Christian. And I think that's, I think that's good. You know, if you're going to find a compromise, then I think that that's the compromise. I'm glad that there wasn't any kind of formal apology there made because it is simply true that Mormonism is outside of Christian orthodoxy, again, just a reminder. Joseph Smith said all Christian creeds were an abomination in his sight. And this is so important because Joseph Smith claims that he was visited by an angel and given a new testimony that kind of usurped the gospel that Christians believed and preached.

Galatians 1 8 through 9 says, But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preach to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before. So now I say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be a cursed. The gospel of the Christians believe say that there is a heaven, there is a hell. There are not different levels of heaven that you can achieve or that you can reach if you're a good person or you do the right thing or you're kind of close to Mormonism or if you've been baptized in the Mormon church.

Jesus's sacrifice is fully sufficient by grace through faith. You have believed you have full access to God through Christ and can access. him in eternity in his presence forever and ever. That is the gospel. It is contradicted by what Mormons believe. There are a lot of other things, a lot of other contradictions. You have to follow the different Mormon precepts and principles in order to be baptized into the Mormon Church to reach that third level of heaven. And so that includes not drinking hot coffee. For example, there are a lot of different things that are added on to the membership and baptism requirements that is then required for the first.

fullness of salvation in the Mormon Church. And that is in addition to the gospel that Jesus Christ taught and that Christianity has taught for thousands of years. And so you can believe that, but it is outside of Christian Orthodoxy. All right. That's all we got time for today. Lots of fun, controversial stuff. Stuff that you want and talk about with your friends and family. All right. We will be back here on Friday with an incredible testimony that you don't want to miss.