Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1361 | SuperNanny Calls Out Lazy Parents: “You’re Disabling Your Kids!”

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Allie covers big news from Bethany Christian Services, the nation's largest Protestant adoption and foster care agency, which has announced it will only place children with families who fully align with its biblical statement of faith beginning in June 2027. This decision reaffirms the organization's Christian convictions on marriage and the sanctity of life after years of internal identity struggles, drawing strong praise from believers while prioritizing minimal disruption for the thousands of children they serve. Professor Robert George joins to explain his reason for creating Fidelity Month, a counter to Pride Month, that prioritizes nuclear family and faith over brokenness. Finally, Allie reacts to the Supernanny, Jo Frost, who has declared that we have taught our children to be incapable. For more about Fidelity Month, go to https://fidelitymonth.com/. Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252. Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Time Codes 0:00 Introduction 6:40 Bethany Christian Services to Cease Adoptions for Gay Couples 32:49 Fidelity Month 52:49 Super Nanny’s Words of Wisdom – Today's Sponsors: Pre-Born | To donate, dial #250 and say the keyword “BABY.” Or visit Preborn.com/ALLIE. Good Ranchers | If you go to ⁠⁠⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠⁠⁠ and subscribe to any box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order.   Legacybox | Visit Legacybox.com/ALLIE to take advantage of Legacybox’s Spring Cleaning sale and preserve your family’s story.  EveryLife | Visit EveryLife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% off your first order today! Shopify | Sign up for your $1-per-month trial today at shopify.com/allie. Episodes You May Like: Ep 1354 | 'Pride Month' Is Here — but Christians Are Gaining Ground https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1354-pride-month-is-here-but-christians-are-gaining/id1359249098?i=1000770630920 Ep 798 | America’s Sacrificing Orphans on the Altar of Transgenderism | Guests: Jessica Bates & Christiana Kiefer https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-798-americas-sacrificing-orphans-on-the-altar/id1359249098?i=1000611489190 --- ► Buy Allie's book, "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on Social Media: https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

A Christian adoption agency has completely changed its stance on LGBT parenting, and it's actually really good news. Also, the super nanny has some hard truth for parents that every mom and dad needs to hear. And Professor Robert George has dubbed this month, not Pride Month, but Fidelity Month. And he's here today later to tell us what all of that is about. We've got all of that and more on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Olive. See what is really in your food to make sure that you are feeding yourself and your family the healthiest choice as possible. Just download the app on the app store for free today. Download Olive on the app store today.

Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. Well, we got to see our little baby yesterday at our appointment. We had the big sonogram, what's called the anatomy scan, where you really go through and you make sure that everything is looking good and thank the Lord. Everything is looking good.

Little baby is growing well. I have not announced to you gender yet, but I posted a little picture of the sonogram on Instagram. And all of my messages are you guys guessing what the gender is? And I will tell you, I won't tell you yet what he or she is, but I will tell you every single message got it right, except for one, which is stunning. It's just a profile of the,

this sweet little baby. But I don't know. I guess y'all have some kind of insight intuition that I don't think that I would have if I were looking at someone sonogram. But gosh, I just get emotional every time at that sonogram because the change is so remarkable from that first eight-week sonogram when they just look like a little jelly bean. Of course, fully human, fully baby, made in God's image. But they don't look like a full. fully grown baby because you can't see the feet and the hands. It's just like this little gummy bear with this strong beating heart, which is a miracle in and of itself. And then if you don't get a sonogram until your 20 week appointment, which is typical, that change is just absolutely

incredible from the little gummy bear baby to this what looks like a fully grown baby. I mean kicking, flipping. We saw the baby suck their thumb yesterday. which is just incredible, still so tiny, but so mobile and just really fun. And there's something about it that makes me spontaneously burst into tears. Life is just incredible. And I really do believe that women seeing their baby through ultrasounds is so, it's not only life affirming, but you feel an even greater bond with that baby than you did before. And I've also just had the honor this pregnancy of being able to feel the baby kicks so much earlier than I have in past pregnancies, which is typical, you know, the more pregnancies you have, and this is my fourth

pregnancy. And that's been super fun. But I'm like, okay, we got a long, we got a long way to go. These kicks are only going to get stronger and stronger. But I really am just so thankful for this incredible blessing. And to add another little one to our family, just thank you for all of your kind words and your support and your prayers for our family, for my husband and me and our kids and this little baby, it really does mean so much. Relatable is a family. It's a community. When I see you guys in person, it's immediately like we're friends. And that I think is what is so unique about us. I always say I have the best audience in the world. And that's because I do. And let me just transition into telling you about this event for the best audience in the world.

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news today, encouraging news when it comes to the Pride Month theme. Typically, we're not talking about good news. We're talking about really demoralize it and sad stuff, but stuff that we need to lay eyes on and understand as Christians who are fighting the spiritual battle. But today we've got some good news of some really good wins. Praise God for that. But before we get into that, I just want to tease something for you that this Friday, I've got an interview coming out that is unlike any interview I've ever done before. The biggest interview in relatable history. We have been doing, um, we've been doing relatable since March of 2018. And so gosh, eight plus years of doing relatable. And we've had some really big interviews over the years and some really

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Now, it's sad that this even has to be a debate, but it is good to see a Christian institution have some courage. So there is a Christian adoption agency, Bethany Christian Services, which is the largest Protestant adoption and foster care agency in the U.S. that has announced that its board of directors has voted to clarify and strengthen the organization's Christian faith commitments and beliefs. And within that is included their policy that they will no longer allow LGBTQ parents to adopt and foster children and their care. Now, this is a change for Bethany Christian because, as we'll get into a few years ago, it seemed like they had

softened on this. But according to their most recent annual report, they have served 25,825 children and families through adoption, foster care and other services. They have served over one million children and families over the past 80 years. Beginning in June 2027, Bethany will only allow fostering and adoption by families whose Christian faith and beliefs align with its statement of faith and belief. So it's not only about homosexuality. It's not only about gender, and the belief about these, what you might call social issues, it's really a belief about all biblical issues, all core tenets of the Christian faith. The CEO, Keith Curatin, said the decision, quote, is really about three things. It's about clarity. It's about conviction. It's about faith and

belief. Yes and amen, Keith Curatin. Good job. I love when people say things like we need clarity because we do. And that is a huge reason why God gave us his word so that we don't. We don't have to be confused about things like gender and sexuality and family. It was so important to him that he got clarified that in the first chapter or the first book of the Bible. You don't even have to read 30 verses before we get the answer to that. Genesis 1-27. The CEO added that when he joined the organization in 2023, he sensed that we were really struggling with our identity. Good job, Mr. Curatin. The move comes after Bethany faced criticism in 2021. We talked about it at the time. This is before Curatin arrived on the scene for allowing LGBT couples to foster and adopt through the agency.

Curatin stressed that families who feel they cannot align with the new framework will be aided through a transition process to another child placement agency with a goal of minimizing disruptions for children because that is the number one focus. And it is so rare for institutions to go this direction because progressivism by nature progresses. It is very aggressive. It wants to take as much ground as possible. It is very imperialistic in that way, especially when it comes to Christian institutions, which are like the last bastion of biblical truth, of moral truth,

of biological truth, the last bastions of the protection of children in progressivism, like Satan has its sights set on those kinds of institutions, and its sites set on children specifically. And typically, once you have an organization that opens up to that possibility in the name of being inclusive and the name of being loving, it is very hard to go backwards. Once you have that initiative, you have that focus group, you have that one employee, you have that one manager that is

making problems in the name of expanding their definition of what marriage should look like, etc. It's just so hard. It's so hard for leadership to then turn it around. You have to have a lot of courage and a lot of resolve to do that. So good on this CEO for coming in and saying, what does the Bible say? We're not nicer than God. We're not more loving than God. If we're Christian, then we should act like it. That's my interpretation of what he is saying. And I'm thankful for that. So we'll get into more of what this new statement of faith is. I think it's important because if you're leading an organization and you want to lead with Christian conviction, then this is the direction that you want to go. Let me pause, tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is

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It affirms the authority of Scripture, the biblical mandate to care for the vulnerable, and a declaration that God creates human beings in his image as male and female and determined by sex. So male and female determined by sex, again, We see that in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible, Genesis 1-27. That's not an allegory. That's not a metaphor. We see the two options for what you can be as human made in God's image.

And that is either male or female. They also have a statement on the sanctity of life. And so they say this, we believe that all human life is sacred. From conception to natural death, we are committed to offering life-affirming options to expectant parents, walking alongside them with compassion, support, and hope. And then on sex, we believe every person is created in the image of God and therefore possesses inherent dignity, worth and purpose. We further believe God creates human beings in his image as male and female as determined by biological sex. Now, they use the term biological sex and they're

probably just trying to be as clear as possible there. I don't say the term biological sex because there is no other kind of sex except for biological sex. To me, it's just repetitive. It's almost kind of implying that there could be another sex or people will say biological gender or biological male or biological female. Well, there's no other kind of male or female except for the biological kind. So I'm not indicting them at all for their choice of words there. I'm just saying in my lexicon and how I say things because I'm aiming to align my words

with reality as much as possible. don't want to give like any window of opening for confusion whatsoever. On marriage between a man and a woman, Bethany Christian Trust says, we affirm the biblical design of marriage as a covenant between one man and one woman established by God to reflect his love and faithfulness. What do we always say? The definition of marriage between one man and one woman is rooted in creation, Genesis 1 27, repeated throughout scripture,

like honor your father and mother, Exodus 20, 12. It is reiterated by Jesus himself, Matthew 19, 4 through 5, have you not heard that in the beginning he made us male and female? It is representative of Christ in the church. That's Ephesians 5. And it is reflective of the gospel. And that's the point that I see in here, the fifth R that we've been saying since probably 2019. It reflects his love and faithfulness in a way that a union between two men or two women cannot because marriage is a representation of Christ who is described as the groom and his bride or the church who is described as his bride. And so that can only be reflected by one man and one woman. And if we don't get that right, then it is very easy to see how we

end up slipping over time on everything else theological. Like people who can't affirm Genesis 1-27 almost always end up not being able to affirm John 146, that Jesus is the way, the truth, the life, that no one comes to the Father except through Him. And I'm so glad that it seems to me, like Bethany Christian Trust, understands that. And like, how freeing is it that we don't have to be the ones to come up with the definition of marriage or the definition of love or the definition of goodness or the gospel or the marriage between Christ and his church? We don't have to come up with our own newfangled interpretations of that based on our own desires and our sins.

Like, praise the Lord that he has taken that burden off of us and he has put it on himself and he has given us his inspired word and he just says, follow me. Just follow me. So most of the online reaction so far has been positive. You've got Katie Fowse, founder of them before us. At the pinnacle of support for a gay marriage among conservatives, Bethany Christian, started placing kids with LGBT couples. They just reversed that decision.

They will only hire Christians and they will only serve mother, father, adoptive homes. Vibe shift is having measurable impact. Praise the Lord. Journalist Megan Basham. Praise God. I covered Bethany's decision to compromise with the culture

and abandoned biblical standards when I was at World. Since he came to the org, CEO Keith Curitan has been a good King Josiah, so to speak, recommitting Bethany to following. the Lord with their whole hearts, God has been merciful to give Bethany back to us. Praise the Lord. She's absolutely right. King Josiah, young King Josiah came in and he tore down all of the altars to the idols. And that is one thing that Christians are called to do. You know, as we talked about a couple weeks ago, something that I hadn't really thought about is that when Jesus says, the gates of hell

won't prevail against his church. And of course, we believe that's a universal body of believers. gates are a defense mechanism. And so that means that Christians are on the offense in the spiritual warfare and that it is Satan just holding on as tightly as he can to his kingdom and to his power while at last. And Christians are the ones trying to tear down those gates. We are on the offense pushing down those gates. And it's not just about culture wars, y'all. I just want to remind you of that.

Politics, policy matters? Because people matter. Yes, another acronym or not that one's not an accurate. an alliteration that we have been saying for years. But for us, this is not primarily about culture war. It's not primarily about just winning. It is about honoring the Lord, yes, and realizing that his ways are always better, but it's about protecting children. If God is love, 1 John 4-8, if he created us and he knows what's best and he knows what's best for children, then we are not going to out-love him or out-care for children by disagreeing with him.

The most safety-inducing, protective thing that we can do for children is ensure that they end up with a home, in a home with a mom and a dad. Now, does that guarantee that there will be no mistreatment? Of course not. Of course not. But just as men and women are not interchangeable, we understand that. Neither are moms and dads. Neither are husbands and wives.

We bring different things to the table that are necessary for the healthy formation of children. The two sexes that are need to make a baby are also needed to raise a baby. So praise God. Praise God for this. This is really, really good news. Now, I do want to look at some numbers when it comes to the so-called vibe shift that Katie Faust was talking about. Public opinion on gay relationships has drastically changed, which again is just stunning.

You don't always or typically ever see things going this direction. According to Gallup, Republican support for a same-sex marriage, so-called same-sex marriage, marriage is defined by God is between a men and a woman. We can't change that. So I try to be as exact as possible. It peaked at 55% in 2021 and 2022. It's now at 41%. That's a pretty big drop in just a few years.

Y'all pushed it too far. You pushed it too far with the drag queen story hour and chopping off the breasts of minor girls. You pushed it too far, okay? Permanently sterilizing 10-year-old boys by chemically castrating them via puberty blockers is not quite the same as we just, just want hospital visitation rights, which was the argument in like 2008.

Okay, you pushed it too far. And now people are turning around and they're saying, hey, on a second, how do we get here? Okay, I don't think it was just the translets. Back up, T, and then you just keep on going down the aggregate. Oh, yeah, no, I think it's kind of all of it. Because when you say a man can become a woman, it's the same math as a husband can become a wife. It's the same exact math. Transwomen or women is the same math as love as love.

Doesn't mean anything if you're not defining those words. And I think even if people can articulate that, they're seeing that there's something, there's something wrong here. Maybe we need to back up. Gallup polling showed approval climbing steadily for decades among Americans, eventually peaking at about 71% in 2022. More recent polling shows the support has dipped to around 68%. Not a huge dip, but significant over.

just a course of four years. The moral acceptance of gay and lesbian relationships is at 62%, which is actually the lowest since 2016. We've got a few more stats when it comes specifically to adoption of children by gay parents. And we'll get to that in just a second. Let me go ahead and pause and tell you about our next sponsor for the day. Wonderful pro-life sponsor. I love partnering with companies that are helping moms in need, helping them get those free sonograms, helping them have the resources. that they need to choose life, and that is every life. I love every life not only because of the women they support. They've got to buy for a cause bundle that you can purchase on their website

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but really just children who are raised without a dad, the insecurity and anxiety that creates, which can lead to a higher likelihood of struggling with an eating disorder, sexual promiscuity, teen delinquency, poverty, all kinds of instability. There is something inherently stabilizing about a present dad. Doesn't even have to be a perfect dad, but just a present dad. Again, does not mean that abuse does not happen within heterosexual marriages. Of course it does, but we are talking statistically and in principle. And we have to in order to understand, okay, like what is in general the safest place for a child, which should be a question we all want to answer, we have to look at statistics.

We have to look at the principles. A second study also showed poor education outcomes for children of LGBT parents, finding they're 35% less likely to progress normally through school. Children of gay couples also suffer emotional problems at twice the rate of children raised by a mother and father. I put a post out about surrogacy, as I've been talking about for many years, especially surrogacy between two men in which you're purchasing eggs, creating embryos, purchasing the womb of another woman,

in addition to the egg cellar, and then you're taking that baby and purposely raising them motherless from the time that they are taking their first cries and just how awful and dystopian and selfish that is. And the problems that you're creating for that child, I don't even think we fully know. We don't take puppies and kittens away from their parents for the first six to eight weeks of their life. And yet with human infants, we're taking them away from their mothers in the name of love is love in the first few moments of their life. like we know that physiologically in order for their breath, in order for their heart rate to be regulated, that little baby, if at all possible, needs to be placed on the chest of his or her mother. Like I've experienced that with my first.

I had a C-section and her heart rate and her breath. It just wasn't quite right. And I just begged and begged and begged and bag. And I said, please put that baby on my chest. Like let me hold her for a second, at least while you wheel us away. And so they did. And I got to hold her. But then, of course, the guy came in and he had his, he had his clear bassinet and he was getting ready quickly to put her in the bassinet, take her to the NICU. And I just said, can you just check her one more time? Can you check her

one more time before you take her? Checked her, perfect. She needed me. She needed her mom. She needed my heartbeat. She needed the only home that she ever knew. And you know, it's one thing to take a child away from his or her mom through adoption. That's a hard situation. There is a brokenness there that happens because we don't live in an ideal world, but you didn't intentionally create that child to take him or her away from the mother. You're redeeming a broken situation through adoption. Surrogacy, gay parenting creates the broken situation because you care more about adult wants than you do child welfare. And so Bethany Christian, is saying, no, we care more about child welfare and we care more about biblical truth than we do

adult wants. And if that is the change that we can make just as a church, just as Christians, to be able to say biblical truth and kids need matter than what adults want. No matter how that adult identifies, then things can change for the better. And we can continue on to carry the legacy that Christians have been caring for 2,000 years to disrupt the child-hating societies that we have lived in for so many millennia and say, no, no, no. Like the child objectification is going to end now. You're not going to be sacrificing your kids to the pagan gods anymore. We're going to stop that.

You're not going to sacrifice your child on the altar of progressivism. No, no, no, no. Not as long as we have a say in it. And so I'm just, I'm very encouraged. I'm very encouraged by this. And I'm very encouraged with just the allegiance to not only biblical morality, but reality, too. Because science statistics are always catching up with God. They're always catching up with what the Bible says.

There was a study a few years ago that people tried to tout saying, oh, actually, look, kids actually fare better or the same with gay parents. We dug into it on this show. It was funded by the Chinese Communist Party. And when you get into the data, it wasn't actually even true. The summary wasn't actually correlated with the findings of the study at all. That's what progressivism does. Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

Gay people made in the image of God just like the rest of us, but need Jesus just like the rest of us. But children's safety does matter and children need and have a right to a mom and a dad. In Psalms, God is described as one who is the father of the fatherless and settles the solitary in homes, Father of the fatherless and protector of widows is God in his holy habitation. God settles the solitary and home. He leads out the prisoners to prosperity, but the rebellious dwell in a parched land. Psalm 68, 5 through 6. Isaiah 117, learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause. And it's so amazing. This is what distinguishes God, the Christian God, the only God who really exists, but from Allah or from the Hindu gods,

is that God is described to us as personal, as our father, not just some far-off entity that we have to fear, but through Christ that we have access to. Romans 815 says, for you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, Abba, Father. How incredible is that, that we are now brothers and sisters and co-heirs with Christ, not because we've earned it, but because we have been purchased, we've been redeemed by the blood of God's only son. How much did he love us?

That is also one thing that you learn, even more so, not that it can't be learned without children, but even more so, whether you adopt a child or whether it's your own biological child, suddenly all of the fears and all the concerns and anxieties that you have for yourself, all the hopes and the dreams that you have for yourself, automatically transferred to this little person that you just met. And you see, oh my gosh, God loves me so much. I, as a finite person, as an imperfect person, love this little child so much. How much more does this infinite perfect God love me? And how much I would never, if I could stop my child from ever

being hurt, I would. And yet Jesus loved us or God loved us so much that he sent his son, his only begotten son to die a death that he didn't have to die on our behalf. It's incredible. There's just so much that we learn from family, from marriage, from children about the gospel. And I think it's actually, it's really, really profound and really important that Bethany Christian trust and hopefully other institutions follow suit, that they, align with God's word about this because it's not just about, oh, yeah, this one tenet of Christianity. This is like a gospel level issue. This is allowing children to see the structure that the God of the universe made in which his gospel is reflected. How incredible is that? All right, good

for Bethany Christian trust. Now we have a conversation with a professor, Robert George. He has championed this idea of Fidelity Month in the month of June, where we can celebrate something different than the vice of pride or sexual immorality. And so we're going to talk to him about that, really encouraging conversation. Before we get into it, let me tell you about our next sponsor. It is Shopify. So if you've ever had an idea for a business or a side hustle or maybe you have one and you're like, I don't know how to manage this. I don't know how to, I don't know how to sell this. Like I have an Instagram, but I'm not tech savvy and you want to start making money on it, but you don't feel like you have time to set up your own e-commerce site.

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We've got a virtue and fidelity of vice and pride. So tell us why you decided to establish this month and what it means. Well, thank you, Aliebeth. It's a real pleasure to be on your show, and I'm grateful to you for inviting me on. I love to talk about Fidelity Month. back in 2023, I woke up on morning and was doing my morning reading on the websites and so forth, and I learned about a poll that indicated that Americans' belief in the importance of certain traditional values that had always been our sources of unity and strength had very considerably eroded over the past decade and a half or so.

And so, for example, Americans reported a sense of the importance of faith in God had diminished very, significantly. Americans' belief in the importance of having children, having a family, marriage in the family, also diminished very significantly. Americans' belief in the importance of patriotism, love of country, service to community, again, diminished very significantly. The only value that Americans' belief in the importance of had gone up was money. Now, I'm all four people doing very well materially. I want everybody to be prosperous. I want everybody be able to take care of their families, take care of their own needs, have a few luxuries. That's great.

But gosh, money is much less important. Material things are much less important than basic spiritual and moral values. So I was concerned. After all, we find our sources of strength and unity in this nation, this Democratic Republic called the United States of America, not in common bonds of race or ethnicity, were many races, many different ethnicities, not in common bonds of, religion when it comes to particular denominations, for example, or traditions of faith. We're Catholics and Protestants. We're Jews and Christians. We have people from Eastern traditions of

faith, other traditions of faith, but we're all Americans. We don't have a common cultural history. People come from lots of different cultural backgrounds. So what is historically given us strength and unity, not race, not ethnicity, not our particular religious denomination or tradition. Rather, it's been, number one, a shared belief in America's fundamental constitutional principles, the founding principles, the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, but also, and very importantly, Ali Beth, a shared commitment across the races, ethnicities, religious traditions, in the importance of God and faith in God, in the importance of the family and fidelity and marriage and to your children.

And then, of course, patriotism, love of country. It doesn't matter whether you're black or white, Asian, Latino. It doesn't matter whether your ancestors came from Croatia or Japan or where they came from. We believe in patriotism, love of our country. At least we historically have. So when I saw that these values were diminishing, I began to worry, where will our strength and unity come from if we don't revive these values? So I thought, well, look, there's a month for this and a day for that and a week for the other thing when it comes to all sorts of causes. what we need is a month dedicated to fidelity, to rebuilding and restoring fidelity to God,

fidelity to spouses and families, fidelity to our country and communities. So by the power vested in me, Ali Beth, by absolutely no one, I took to my social media accounts and declared June to be Fidelity Month. And the idea took off because I think people began to see that we really do need to rebuild these values if we are to hang together as one people, one nation under God. And we really do need to restore our people's faith in God and in family and in country. You know, you're a Catholic. I'm Protestant. You talk about how people of different backgrounds are obviously not all united by our unity on every single theological aspect. But it does seem to me like the the lack of desire to uphold values like fidelity is downstream from a letting go of our

Christian heritage. And I don't know if you agree with that or not, but as America has become less Christian, and as we have welcomed in all different kinds of worldviews, the secularization of America, but also Christianity kind of waning as a majority, that to me is what comes to mind when I think about the why behind, why don't people care more about fidelity and faithfulness to your family and in marriage? To me, it seems like the decreasing influence of Christianity, but I wonder if you agree with that. Well, of course, our whole civilization has been shaped by the Bible, and the Bible was brought to these lands, first to Europe and then over to us, via Christianity.

Now, of course, Christianity is itself rooted in the Jewish tradition. And we have had people of other faiths, including non-biblical traditions, who've been patriotic Americans, who've shed their blood on our battlefields in support of American freedom. So I do think the country suffers from the loss of the fidelity to God among Christians, but it's a broader problem of secularization. It's not just in the Christian community, which of course historically has been the largest, overwhelming and the largest community of religious believers in the United States. We find the same thing in the Jewish community. And I know my Jewish friends are worried about that in their community. We find the same thing in other communities of faith. Secularization tends to have lots of negative consequences in a country that's founded on the proposition that all men are created equal, that they're endowed by who?

not by government, not by the king, not by the president, not by the Supreme Court, not by Congress, not by Parliament, by God, by a more than merely human power, by divine power, created equal endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. So secularization, I think, is no question about it, part of the problem. But you do have a chicken and egg issue here. Does the loss of fidelity result in secularization, or does secularization come from the loss of fidelity. Yeah, I think that's a really good point. And I'm curious for you to explain a little bit more what those consequences are. How do we see in our everyday life, or maybe just in the political and culture wars that are raging today, this lack of fidelity to fidelity. How does it manifest

itself? Let me tell you how I think it manifests itself in an unwillingness to sacrifice, an unwillingness to take risks, an unwillingness to do hard things that our ancestors were willing to do, beginning with our founding fathers. You know, Allie Beth, when those men and women decided they were going to break with the greatest power on earth, Britain, greatest military power on earth, and established an independent nation, they knew that they were putting their heads in nooses. if this revolution failed and the likely odds were it was going to fail. I mean, the chances of success were very slim. We were lucky that it was successful.

But the chances were slim. They knew that if it failed, they would be tried and executed for treason. But they were willing to take risks and make sacrifices because they believed in those principles that they set forth. They articulated in the Declaration of Independence. And the same is true when it comes to marriage and family. the same is true when it comes to faith in God himself. Here's where the difficulty comes. If we lose faith in God, we're unwilling to make sacrifices to take risks for our faith.

If we lose faith in the importance of marriage and the family, we lose the willingness to work hard, to take risks, to do dangerous things, to do hard things, to make sacrifices for our spouses and for our kids. If we lose faith in our country, if we become unpatriotic, we lose the virtue of patriotism, we're going to be unwilling to take the risks, do the hard things, make the sacrifices that you need to make if you're to preserve a democratic republic. It all becomes, Ellie Beth, about me, myself, and I. It becomes a kind of radical individualism. This is what comes with secularism. A radical individualism, I care about myself. And I'm not going to put myself at risk, not for God, not for my family, not for my country, not for my community. But we at our best

Americans have flourished precisely because it wasn't about me, myself, and I. Yes, we believe in the profound inherent dignity of the individual. We're not collectivist. We don't go down that road. Well, the new mayor of New York says he wants to go down that road. But most Americans don't want to go down that road. But there's a difference between honoring the dignity of the individual and embracing the ideology of individualism, which makes everything about me and not about what I can give to and must give to others, to God, first of all, to our families, to our spouses, to our children, to our country, to our community. Quick pause to tell you about our next sponsor, and that is Good Ranchers. Okay, another great Father's Day gift, especially for the dad or the husband or the grandfather,

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But ironically, the happiness at all cost mentality actually costs us our happiness. Ultimately, we serve ourselves. We do the things that remove all. all inconvenience, all friction, all sacrifice from our lives in an effort to find the dopamine, to find the thing that makes us happy in the moment. And yet, rates of depression, anxiety, loneliness, purposelessness, all skyrocket. And when you talk about those stats that you did at the beginning, that, okay, we care less about family, about children, about faith, but more about money. I'm like, there's that God of self. It's demanding everything of us. And, you know, just like Satan,

it promises something that we will never actually get. And at the end of it, we're like, okay, well, that's, that's it. I've reached the dead end with nothing to show for it. And that's why I think, like, what you're doing not only has practical significance. We need more kids. We need more families. We need stronger marriages. But there's something very profoundly spiritual there.

And to me, like, we need an awakening. This has to be a spiritual about face that we make. and the choice to no longer worship ourselves. Exactly right. The worship of self, like any false God, does not deliver on its promises. It doesn't deliver, as you say, happiness. It's just frustration, disappointment, and then ultimately what we're seeing so much of today. And you pointed this out.

Anxiety, depression, hopelessness, helplessness, and on and on. So we do need a revival, but I think what we need is a revival of faith, faith in God. Fidelity to our spouses and families, which goes beyond Alibeth, not, it goes well beyond just not having affairs. That's the minimum. Beyond that, when it comes to fidelity and marriage and to family, it's being there for your spouse. It's serving your spouse, serving your husband, serving your wife, and then together, husband and wife, serving your children. Marriage is fundamentally a vocation. And what does a vocation mean?

A vocation means a calling to serve. In marriage, we serve our spouses. We serve our children. Same with patriotism, love of country. It's getting beyond ourselves, outside ourselves, noticing there's something higher and greater that we should serve. So I'd encourage everybody to go to the Fidelity Month website. It's just FidelityMunth.com.

Very simple to get to, fidelitymonth.com. And you'll see that this awakening we are trying to ignite is a grassroots movement. It is not top down. I'm not a CEO. We don't have any staff. of the Fidel. We have an executive director who works without pay for in that role. I'm the founder, but, you know, I don't raise money. We don't have a budget. We don't, we don't have like a staff

or anything like that. It's a grassroots movement of people all over the country from all sorts of different faith backgrounds, races, ethnicities, economic classes, even political points of view, who say, you know what? We're going to rebuild Fidelity. in this country. And there are lots of things you can do beginning with going to our website at Fidelity Month.com and downloading our wonderful logo for Fidelity Month. It's the Myrtle Leaf, which is the historic, the Mertileith, I should say, the historic symbol of fidelity going all the way back into the ancient world. And you can use that logo free of charge for your social media accounts, for your profile picture or your banner photograph. You can talk with your pastor about preaching,

one sermon, a homily, on the importance of fidelity. You can host an event. You can write a letter to the editor. You can use your own social media to spread the word about fidelity month. You're absolutely right. You nailed it. We're trying to bring about a new awakening, to restore those values that once were and can yet be again our sources of unity and strength in this country. We've already seen states like the state of Utah, the state of Arkansas, take on Fidelity Month, and we even have legislatures and the state of Michigan, which I don't know how much the governor likes this, but certainly legislators there are saying, you know what, we're going to pass this resolution to honor Fidelity Month. So it's just a family-centered, I think Christ glorifying as a Christian, it glorifies the order that

he created, but also an American values representing alternative to a month that celebrates vice and a lack of self-control and actually ends in destruction for people and for families and for children. And so I'm thankful for the alternative and people are always looking for ways, okay, what can I do to kind of push back? What can I do to represent my values? And this is a really simple way to do that. And the cool thing is that people can kind of make it their own in their own communities. And so you said it's fidelitymonth.com. Fidelity month.com. And there you'll find the Fidelity Month prayer. And we love everybody to pray the Fidelity Month prayer. Do a version of your own Fidelity Month prayer. Taylor it to your particular tradition. Get in touch with your mayor.

Ask him to recognize or her to recognize Fidelity Month. Your state representatives, your representatives in Congress. As you pointed out, Alibeth, Utah and Arkansas have both formally recognized Fidelity Month. Their governors issued proclamations. Michigan's House of Representatives recognizes Fidelity Month. Kentucky's Senate recognizes Fidelity Month. So our movement is growing. The word is spreading. And we need everybody to get involved. And notice, Alibeth, even if there were no such thing as Pride Month, we're not reacting to something here. Even if there were no such thing as Pride Month, we would still need to rebuild Fidelity Month in this country. We would be doing exactly what we're doing. These are positive values and virtues that we are pressing here,

that we're holding up, lifting up, that we're trying to get people to see the importance of once again. So it's not a reactive thing. It's a positive message to meet a serious need that we in this culture have today. Yes, amen. Well, thank you so much, Professor George. I really appreciate your time. Thank you, Holly Beth. Okay, before we get to our lifestyle pitter-patter segment, let me tell you about our next sponsor, and that is pre-born. They are doing so much to protect moms and dads and their babies. They're a network of clinics across the country that serve these parents and help them make

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Just to see that really disturbingly realistic picture of HRC and I together in the kitchen. All right. I saw this video going around went viral. I saw Yashar Ali sharing it on X. And it is from Joe Frost, who was widely known as a super nanny. Remember that show from that reality TV series? She posted this video to her Instagram. It got quite their reaction.

Here is Satari. We are slowly disabling our children, and I don't say that likely. I say that because I work with families continuously every day, and I'm seeing a pattern that's growing. Children who are capable, but not being taught. We're pushing children along on bikes instead of teaching them how to ride them. We're keeping children in strollers who should be walking, climbing, building strength. every time we step in and do it for them or avoid teaching because it's slower, messier or

inconvenient, we take away an opportunity for them to become capable and children want to feel capable. So we go back to basics parents. We teach the bike riding with support. Then we've out. We've removed the dummy when it's no longer needed. We show them how to brush their teeth properly, not rely on this electric tool. We sit at the table and we teach them how to eat properly. We guide, we repeat, we expect. Not perfectly, consistently. Because independence isn't something that just happens.

It's taught parents. And if we don't teach it, we can't be surprised when it's missing. Okay, I think she makes some really good points. And this is not only a problem among those who are truly permissive parents. permissive parents, even different than so-called gentle parents, but permissive parents who really just believe that your only job is to be your kid's pal and to be their friend and to help them do what they want and to just comply with whatever their desires are. I think there are some parents like that who might have some good intentions and they just think that that's what you're supposed

to do as a parent. And then I also think it has to do a lot with parents being overly busy, overly controlled and consumed by their phones and just tired. And so, they're lazy. And so they outsource their parenting to tablets, to social media, to different devices that kind of work is a long-term pacifier for their kids. So they don't have to do the hard and energy-taking work of actually disciplining their child, instructing their child, training their child and all of that. So I think that obviously is a set of parents who really needs to hear something like this. But then there are also, I think there's another category. I think there's like the gentle parents who aren't necessarily permissive, but who

do believe that talk therapy is the only way to set boundaries with your kids, who also believe that a form of gentle parenting is doing things for your kids. Not all, you know, so-called gentle parents believe that, but that is like a real phenomenon. If it makes them happy, if it makes them feel supported, then I'm going to do that. But then there's the parents who are not permissive or not gentle parents. They're parents who are absolutely doing the best that they can, who believe in discipline, who believe in boundary setting, who believe in manners, who believe in trying to foster independence, that everything that she's talking about is still convicting. It's still a challenge because even I think the best of parents struggle in one area or another

to know how much independence to give their child. Like I will say it's easier the more kids that you have, not harder, to know when to give them independence and to let them do things by themselves. for me and my experience with your first, it's the hardest because it's like suddenly they're not a baby anymore. And one day you look at them and you're like, what the heck? When did you get so tall? Like you're a full grown person. You're not a baby. And I didn't realize that. And oh, okay, yeah, we got to take the training wheels off. Oh, okay. Yeah, you need to be doing this by yourself. And sometimes it just catches up to you because life moves so fast and like COVID made time weird.

and I think sometimes that just happens. And it's different with every child and every child needs something different. But there does come a time, I think when your children are toddlers, when you have to go through that like little difficult window of making them do something by themselves that they can't do yet. That is the hard thing because it is always easier. It's always faster. It's always more efficient for you to do it for them. Always. I'm totally guilty of that. Like at a variety of times at a variety of ways. but then you realize, oh gosh, I've been doing that and now they can't do it. And now when I want them to do it, they're going to whine about having to do it themselves. And that's my fault because I've continued to do it.

And so you learn. It's like a little bit of like a give and take. You learn with one child. You do it better with the next child. And it's different personality and different challenges. But I think what she's saying is absolutely true. And there was this study by the Edwik Research Center who found via preschool teachers that kids today in pre-K are doing a lot worse when it comes to these developmental milestones

than kids have in the past. 52% according to the study of preschool educators reported that their current students had more difficulty tying their shoes than children the same age two years ago. 54% said potty training was more challenging for pre-K students. 56% said putting on coats without assistance is more challenging. 72% of total respondents said students were struggling more to follow directions. 59% reported that student behavior in their classrooms had worsened over the past two years. I think screens. I think over-stimulation of parents.

I think just this phenomenon of parents thinking that any form of discipline or boundary setting or punishment is wrong or mean or this belief, which is not true, that your kids are good inside. And if they act out, it's because they're just misunderstood. I mean, that's a theological misunderstanding of human nature. that is going to trickle down into your idea of discipline that's going to probably make you not the best parent for your child and your child can't reach the fullness of their potential with that mentality. But then I also think it's, you know, it could be other things that we just

don't know. Like preschool teachers tell me today, my kids have gone through preschool, absolutely wonderful, preschool teachers sent from the Lord above, love them so much. but they talk about how kids today cannot use scissors the way that they could in the past. Like all kids, most kids. And I know for a fact, my kids, the other kids and their little Christian preschool classroom, these are not kids that are on tablets. Like these are not kids that are using those devices. These are kids like my kids who are outside playing all day, like riding bikes,

doing chalk, playing in the sprinklers, all that kind of. of thing. And first, I don't know what it is. Like the dexterity, apparently according to teachers, is worse today than it was in the past. And I'm like, well, should I be practicing with scissors at home? More often, I didn't think about that. So again, I think there's a category of parents who aren't necessarily like failing when it comes to the discipline, but who I don't know, maybe just like aren't realizing that, okay, oh, we got to practice more of these dexterous things, or maybe there are fewer things in life that require that dexterity now. But I thought that this was a really great video challenging for all parents. And it made me take stock of the

things, oh, like, what am I still doing for my child that they can do, but they don't do yet because I haven't taken the time because we haven't disciplined ourselves. Most of the lack of discipline from our children and most of the lack, a lot of the lack of self-control, not all, But a lot of the lack of self-control in children really comes down to like a lack of discipline and self-control and the parents. Like, do you have the self-control to discipline? Do you have the discipline to sit there and like instruct them and teach them? That's the hard part of parenting. It's not like kids being unruly. It is ruling ourselves and our own selfishness and impatience and laziness and stuff. So anyway, I just thought that that was really good

and probably the people who didn't like to hear it need to hear it the most. And I I just love people who are willing to say hard truths, especially when it comes to things that are for the sake of our kids and future generations. All right, that's it. That's all we got time for today. And we will be back here on Friday with that very major interview.