Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1371 | Ms. Rachel Praises Hijabs on Girls – Ignores This Dark Truth | Bri Schrader

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Is Ms. Rachel a glaring example of moral relativism? Allie breaks down how her content, which is geared toward children, praises hijabs in a Minnesota kindergarten while condemning Israel. Ms. Rachel ignores the forced dress code and female genital mutilation put upon children, while upholding a false equivalency between cultures. Allie goes on to show why Christian civilization has delivered the most objective good and why it is not godly to ignore sin in order to appear kind. Also, producer Bri stops in to read between the lines on Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s wedding, breaking down the insider symbolism and juicy rumors that just might be true. Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252. Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Time Codes 0:00 Introduction 5:45 Ms. Rachel Praises Kindergarten Hijabs 21:04 Cultural Relativism Enables FGM 36:19 Producer Bri Talks Taylor Swift’s Wedding 58:28 What’s New with Producer Bri? – Today's Sponsors: EveryLife | Visit EveryLife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% off your first order today! Good Ranchers | If you go to ⁠⁠⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠⁠⁠ and subscribe to any box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. Seven Weeks Coffee | Experience the best coffee while supporting the pro-life movement with Seven Weeks Coffee; use code ALLIE at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get up to 25% off your first order, plus your free gift! A'del | Visit AdelNaturalCosmetics.com and enter promo code ALLIE for 25% off your first-time purchase. Freedom Project Education | Go to Freedomforschool.com use code ALLIE for 10% Episodes You May Like: Ep 1273 | Autism Fraud, Islamic Corruption & a Crucial Tennessee Election https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1273-autism-fraud-islamic-corruption-a-crucial/id1359249098?i=1000739184571 Ep 1013 | Ms. Rachel Uses Jesus to Push Pride https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1013-ms-rachel-uses-jesus-to-push-pride/id1359249098?i=1000657841626 --- ► Buy Allie's book, "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on Social Media: https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Miss Rachel praises kindergarten girls wearing his jobs in Minnesota, but there's a huge injustice happening to these kids in these communities that Miss Rachel, for some reason, will not call out. Also, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are married. We've got someone who is going to give us insight on that in today's lifestyle pitter, patter segment. We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.

Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week. far. We've got your favorite guest. I think she is your all-time favorite guest. She has a recurring guest. And that is producer Bree. She is back for a lifestyle pitter-patter at the end of this episode. So you have that to look forward to. And then we'll get into all of the craziness. Of course, it's going on in the world. But first, before we start, I just want to give this shout out to a precious family that I got to meet when I was traveling. When we travel across the

country, we always run into related girls and related bros and different people who come and every interaction has always been so positive and kind. And some people ask me, is it weird having people come up? It's really not. As long as it is a kind interaction, a sweet interaction, and as long as I'm not trying to like wrangle my kids at the Atlanta airport,

which this has happened before, that I am totally happy, always happy to stop and talk. And I just had this super meaningful conversation with someone who came up to my husband and me, and he was holding his little two-year-old girl, and he was just telling us about how through relatable, the Lord was able to change his heart when it came to the issue of life.

And he told us his story with his wife and their marriage and their faith and just how the Lord has grown that so much. And then he told me that his little girl that he was holding was named Allie. And y'all, I just broke down and started crying. I just wept for the meaning and the purpose. that the Lord has graciously allowed me to see through y'all and through the conversations that we have. And there is no credit of mine or our teams to be taken. It is just a constant reminder to me how the Lord uses imperfect vessels to accomplish his will and to advance his kingdom.

And let me tell you all, literally the moment that this person came up to me. I was looking down at my phone and I was reading some comments on Instagram. that we're negative, that we're saying the most ridiculous things because of my perspective on the Tyler Robinson trial, just absolute ridiculousness and slander. And it's so easy to get quickly discouraged by people who try to malign your motives or just say things about you that aren't true because they disagree with you. And then literally, as soon as I am kind of like wallowing in that negativity, this person comes up with the most encouraging story. And I don't even want to get into all the details for the sake of privacy.

And this little sweet girl that was named Allie. It just the Lord always is very kind in sending encouragement at just the right time. And I just want to thank y'all for the moments that you guys have sent that encouragement and sent those prayers. That is what keeps this going. Yes, the Lord, yes, support of family and friends and all of that. But this would not exist. if you guys weren't consistently communicating with me and just letting me know that this is something

that has been fruitful in your lives. Because as you know, there's a lot of craziness, a lot of negativity that goes on in the world. And it's easy to just feel sometimes demoralized and to wonder, okay, is there any purpose in this? Like, is everyone just going to lose their minds? Should we just, should we keep going? Should we throw in the towel? And then it seems like the Lord just provides encouragement, not just to me, but to all members of the body of Christ in the different directions that we're going to say, keep slugging, keep going. And so just thank you for that. And it was so wonderful to meet you out there. You know who you are and all of you that I get to interact with in person and real life. And one of my favorite ways to do that also is at Share the Erros in

Dallas, Texas. This is our third year. This is a women's only conference, y'all. It is a women's Christian conference. There was some confusion about that or related bros invited. We love our related bros. Related bros are not invited. This is a Christian women's conference. We will have a couple of related bros that are going to be on stage. We'll have Kosti Henn who is speaking. We'll have Shane and Shane who are leading worship. But everyone in attendance will be a relato woman. We've got Elisa Childers, Natasha Crane, Grace Anna Castleberry, Rosaria Butterfield, Audrey Brogey, Share the arrows.com. This year Share the arrows is brought to you by friends at We Heart Nutrition. It is such a special day, such an edifying, encouraging day.

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okay, I'm not saying Ms. Rachel is all bad. I think that she puts out a lot of content. I personally never have watched her YouTube. My kids have never watched her YouTube. this was even before she had said some politically questionable things before I even knew that she had someone who identified as non-binary who would use pronouns like they, them on the videos. It just wasn't, it just wasn't really our thing. But I know for a lot of you that Ms. Rachel has really helped your child learn speech and articulation and different, you know, social cues and different things like that. So I don't want to take that away from you.

But she has also become more outspokenly political. and she is a huge purveyor of something called cultural and moral relativism. In her efforts to be all inclusive, she glosses over the very real moral differences and moral problems with ideologies like Islam. And this really came out recently when she praises the wearing of hijabs for kindergartners in Minnesota. And I'll get into why I think that is problematic. She's got more than 20 million subscribers on YouTube.

She's got more than 5 million followers on Instagram. Huge platform, really big influence, especially when it comes to young families. I believe she truly has a heart for children. I think that she's very misguided. And actually this misguidedness, what I would call toxic empathy, is not innocent.

It actually has a negative impact. Ms. Rachel posted something about kindergartners in Minnesota wearing hijabs and how, that's great and it should be celebrated. But she didn't just randomly say that. She seems to be responding to a post by President Trump who reposted another account pointing out that all of these kindergartners in this video of a kindergarten graduation in St. Paul, Minnesota, all of the girls were wearing hijab.

So here's what the post looks like. And he originally, okay, so it's a lot of retweets. Okay, here, it's a lot of repost. So first, actually, we have Donald Trump's post. And it's a video. they're at a kindergarten graduation, and you've got a bunch of girls who are wearing hijab. So it's the Islamic head covering where you can only see their sweet little faces and their ears and their hair is completely covered up. And then in Wokeness's commentary is public school in St. Paul, Minnesota, every girl in the class is in a hijab in kindergarten, Donald Trump reposts that.

I don't even think we need to play the video because we already put up the picture. and so you can see what's going on here. And there are a couple concerns I think that people have. One is just the rapidly changing demographics, ideologies, the worldviews of America, that a place like St. Paul, Minnesota doesn't look like St. Paul, Minnesota. It looks like Somalia. And people say you're not allowed to care about that.

We're supposed to just be totally fine with the complete re-engineering and rearranging of the the belief system of America, the demographics of America. We are all supposed to praise mass migration and pretend like it never has any negative consequences whatsoever. And I just don't believe that. I don't believe that. I think that you are allowed to care that the city in which you were raised looks

very different, that the values, that the politics, that the patriotism of the community in which you were raised is no longer there. I think it's okay to say, I want to live and really. my children in an American city around people who are American, who love America, who celebrate the things that traditionally America does. If you wanted to live in Somalia, if you wanted to live in Afghanistan, you could live in those places, but you have chosen to live in America. So I think that is okay to care about your changing culture. Like, if you read about patriotism in C.S. Lewis's book, The Four Loves, he talks about patriotism as

being the love of people that have a great deal in common with yourself and how that is actually a natural love that is good and can lead us to the higher supernatural love of loving the body of Christ, which includes people that don't look like us, that don't sound like us, and loving God, the God who created us. But when we try to change the order of Morris, when we try to change the order of our loves or pretend like we are not supposed to. to love our culture as Americans. Like we are not supposed to love Christianity. Like we are not supposed to love the American way. And you guilt people out of that. You get all kinds of chaos and confusion. It's not about hatred of these people. It's not about judging a whole group of people by what they

look like. But it's this kind of discomfort that a lot of people feel is like, am I allowed to care about this? Like, is it okay for me to want my child to have classmates that celebrate Christmas or does that suddenly make me a bad person. And by the way, it only makes the, like, the Western Christian a bad person when they start to care about things like that. It never makes anyone else from the African country or Asian country bad if they want to live around people that believe the way that they do and share the same values that they do.

So that is kind of the underneath of what is going on in the thoughts of a lot of Americans that I think a lot of people are scared to say, but it's just true. That and the fact that Islam is not neutral. It's not neutral. Not all belief systems are the same. Not all rules and regulations of every religion are the same. The fruit of every religion is not the same. And I think it's okay for people to say,

hmm, why would a five and six year old be required, according to their religion, to abide by a modesty standard that, forces them to cover up their hair for fear of lust from a male. That's disturbing. You know, that's disturbing for a lot of people, understandably so. And it's okay for people to be uncomfortable and to ask questions about that. Why would little girls have to abide by that kind of standard? What exactly are they being protected from in their religion? What is wrong or immodest about their beautiful hair, especially when they're five and six years old. That's a disturbing thing that people are

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Adele Natural Cosmetics.com code Alley. So Ms. Rachel posted on Instagram. She said, I saw some of you wore a hijab to your graduation. This is kind of an open letter to these kindergartners. I am glad you wore something meaningful and special to you and your family. I think hijabs are beautiful. Different kids wear different things that are a part of their cultures and religion, such as hijabs, kippas, or necklaces with a cross.

Some kids don't wear anything that is from their religion or are not religious. no matter what we wear, we all belong. It's wonderful to learn about each other's traditions, and we can all be proud of our family and our tradition. Last year, I attended a Hanukkah celebration. This year I'd brunch, and every year my family celebrates Christmas and Easter. People can try to divide us and turn us against each other and say things that aren't true, but we know what's right and that we should treat every person with kindness and respect.

Some of this stuff is absolutely true. We should treat every person with kindness and respect, and I don't. think that little children are the target for this. Like little children are not the ones that are choosing to wear the hijab. I believe little children and especially little girls are victims of Islamic ideology. I don't think that they should be the target of our ire. I don't think that they should be made fun of. However, seeing a five-year-old girl wearing this forced modest garb to cover up her hair is shocking to the senses. And it is not enough to say, oh, you're wearing something meaningful. It's not meaningful to them. This is something that they are

forced to wear because of Islamic standards of modesty saying that a woman showing her hair isn't decent and not just a woman showing her hair, but a little girl showing her hair. And just as a reminder that the prophet Muhammad that started Islam married a six-year-old girl. Okay, that's what all of this comes back to. He married a six-year-old girl and reportedly consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, okay? That is the person who founded Islam. So for us to whitewash that and to say it's the same thing as wearing a cross. Like you see how wearing a cross like a symbol of Jesus's victory over death is not the same thing as a little five year old girl being forced to wear a modesty garb over her hair. Like we see on its face that it's not the same thing, but it doesn't even

represent the same thing. It seems like a kind message. and I'm sure she means to be kind. I think that is her intention. She is a professing Christian, but this kind of philosophy reflects the cultural relativism, the moral relativism that I actually think is very dangerous, has led us to a really bad place and has led us to this toxic empathy,

this feeling, this guilt that we have to allow on the same footing every single ideology into our country or else you're a bad person. No other nation thinks that way, except for like Canada and France, only the Western nations. No other nation believes that every ideology, every belief system, no matter how hostile, no matter its tenants, deserve to have equal footing and equal honor in its country and culture. Cultural relativism, if you don't know, is this philosophical framework that holds that a culture's beliefs and practices should be understood and evaluated within the context of that culture's own values and norms rather than judged according to the moral

standards of another culture. So even that definition is culturally relativistic. How I would say it is that there is a denial of objective truth and goodness. A denial that as a Christian, you know, we believe that Jesus is the way, the truth in life, that he is the source of truth. He is the source of goodness. He is the source of logic. And everything has to be judged according to that standard. Here you see that Rachel denies that, that she believes that every culture has its own same level of validity. It's based on the idea of moral relativism, that there is no absolute truth. There is no objective morality. That it's really what's good and bad is relative to each individual, to each culture, to each different time.

And there is part of that where we are kind of judging people based on the time that they were and that there was no, you know, understanding of certain things being right or wrong, but that doesn't change objective morality and objective truth. God doesn't change. That standard doesn't change over time. People change, culture changes the standard of truth and justice and goodness and righteousness does not change because God doesn't change. Hebrews 13.8.

And so we reject moral relativism. Again, going back to C.S. Lewis and mere Christianity, he talks about this so brilliantly. and just to kind of paraphrase his point. Like he talks about the reality of an objective truth. And everyone understands objective truth when it comes to like the physical sense. Like if I were to draw you a picture of New York City, just based on my drawing abilities, you would be like, well, that's not New York City. It's not.

It doesn't look anything like New York City. But if an artist drew you a picture of New York City, you would say, yes, that is very close to what Manhattan actually looks like because there is a real New York City. And some people are closer to what it actually looks like. And some people are far away from what it actually looks like. And so you are judging the goodness and the rightness of someone's drawing based on the reality of Manhattan, based on the reality of New York City. And C.S. Lewis makes this point that truth is the same way.

Everyone knows it. You can feel it instinctively. You can say that you're a moral relativist until someone steals your bike. And then when someone steals your bike, suddenly theft is wrong. Someone has wronged you. You know that that action that was against you is far away from what objective rightness and goodness is. And so it's a nice theory until you are the victim of an injustice.

You're the victim of an assault. You're the victim of murder. You're the victim of rape. You're the victim of theft. Then suddenly there really is immorality. and immorality needs to be punished. So we reject cultural relativism. We reject moral relativism. We know that there is a real biblical standard of truth. Some people might brush this off as, well, you're not supposed to judge. You just shouldn't judge. No, you shouldn't judge hypocritically.

John 724 actually tells us how we should judge. We don't judge by appearances. We judge with right judgment. So we are not judging this group by the appearance of what they have, but we are are judging right from wrong based on what the Bible actually says. And we can look at what the hijab actually represents. And we can look at the fact that it goes all the way back to Muhammad, Mohammed, Marying Aisha when she was only six years old. And then we can also look at the other very real issues that come from this idea that little children and little girls somehow hold the power of sexuality over men and therefore have to be covered up. We can look at what is happening with female genital mutilation in places like Somalia to little girls just like this,

little girls who are Muslim, and it's not just happening in Africa. There's also a problem with it happening here in these kinds of communities. And I just think it's interesting that Miss Rachel, she is incensed by people pointing out that, it's strange that little girls are forced to wear hijabs and were expected to celebrate it, but I've never seen her talk about the very real abusive practices that can happen in these kinds of communities to these little girls. Like if you really care about kids, this should be a big one. I haven't seen her bring up this practice of female genital mutilation. It's the non-medical removal or alteration of female genitals in Minnesota, especially in the Twin Cities. So in St. Paul,

where this video was taken, this is a problem. This is a problem that the Minnesota Department of Health, state lawmakers and several nonprofits are actively trying to address. According to a 2016 analysis by the Population Reference Bureau using U.S. Census Bureau data and prevalence estimates, 37,417 girls and women in the Minneapolis, St. Paul Bloomington metro area were estimated to be at risk of female genital mutilation based on 2,000. 13 data. The number includes both those who may have already undergone the procedure and those who might be at risk in the future. We don't know the precise actual number as the practice is illegal in the United States. It's very secretive. It is not systematically reported. There was a big news story about this happening just a couple years ago where it was being reported that these girls would go to a Somalian, not even real doctor, but in some cases maybe a Somalian doctor, but a Somalian key. or another woman who is, it's the removal of the clitoris just to be very clear. That is what is going on

in these little girls. Okay. This is happening around the world today in these Islamic communities. This is happening in the United States in these Islamic communities, as has been reported by these official sources. And I don't see those who claim to care about the feelings and the protection of these kids talking about this. This is according to an article in PBS from 2017. An investigation by the FBI is now highlighting the extent of female genital mutilation in the United States. In April, the agency opened its first ever federal case against two Michigan doctors for performing the procedure on dozens of girls over more than a decade. Federal agents announced earlier this month that they are also investigating newly identified targets in Los Angeles,

Chicago, New York, Dr. Jumana Nargawala, a 44-year-old emergency room doctor, is charged with performing female genital mutilation on at least eight girls in the Barani Medical Clinic, a facility run by Dr. Fakrudin Atar. His wife, Farida, was also arrested, accused of holding at least two patients' hands during the procedure to keep them from squirming and calm them. The federal prosecutor said in court last month that the three were responsible for cutting the genitals of nearly 100 girls over a 12-year period, and the estimate is conservative. Okay.

This has been happening for several years in these Somalian communities and these Muslim communities. So I'm just saying if you are going to care about the feelings and the emotions of these kids, you should also maybe care about what they're physically going through. But again, if you believe in cultural relativism, then you'll look at a heinous practice like this. and it makes you unable to say this is objectively wrong. Because, well, it's just their culture. It's just what they feel is right. We maybe don't understand it.

That makes you a bad advocate. That makes you a really bad decision maker. You don't have discernment. You don't have wisdom. You don't even have true compassion because that is what I mean by toxic empathy. It's not that all empathy is toxic. It's empathy that blinds you to reality and morality. This is something that is very widely practiced in Somalian culture.

According to the BBC, the most frequently cited reasons for carrying out FGM, acceptance, misconceptions about hygiene and means of preserving a girl or woman's virginity, making the woman marriageable, enhancing male sexual pleasure. They're also sewing up these girls.

And so it's even smaller, because they think that this is better for men. It is just so awful. And it also speaks to how Islam regards women as objects. I mean, think about what paradise is in Islam. It is literally a fleet of virgins. It's a brothel. Like the future for us, for like heaven, for the Christian is that we get to be with Jesus.

We get to be with our Savior. There's no more sin anymore. We get to spend forever and ever with him and with the body of Christ. And for Islam, it's a brothel. like that's the future and that is manifested here on earth in how women are treated and also how these little girls are treated and how they are regarded and so i just can't go along with oh well you know it's all just finds the same thing as wearing a cross no it actually represents something very dark and very dangerous that so many of these little girls are going through so if you're

going to speak up miss rachel about something about an injustice against muslim girls maybe talk about FGM because it's happening on a daily basis around the world at the very least, if not in St. Paul, Minnesota and in the very places where these little girls live here in America. All right, we've got a little bit more on this in just a second. Let me pause tell you about good ranchers. Did you know that July is national grilling month, whether you're making burgers on a Tuesday, steaks for the weekend, hosting a backyard barbecue with friends, good ranchers has your meals covered all summer long. Good ranchers, partners with local farmers. And ranchers to deliver 100% meat straight to your door, it is pasture.

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The responsibility is not on the object of their desire, the object of their lust. We do have a responsibility separately as women to dress with modesty and to dress with dignity. We are not supposed to dress in a way that is unbecoming of our dignity and honor as women. And there's not a strict rule in the Bible about what exactly that looks like. Modesty when you break that verse down, which we have before, really is a matter of the posture of the heart? Are you dressing in a way that says lust after me, look at me, desire me? Or are you dressed in a way that enhances your face and that enhances the natural beauty that God has given you? And I can't give you a strict set of rules for what that looks like,

but I think that all of us can take stock of like what our heart is when we're getting dressed in the morning and try to glorify God in the things that we wear. But it does not mean being ashamed of being a woman. It does not mean wearing a burlap sack. It does not mean that our body is something to be embarrassed about or that our hair is something that has to be covered up because if we don't cover up our mouth and our hands and our hair, then we are responsible for another person's sin. Matthew 527 through 28. You have heard that it was said, you should not commit adultery, but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. People say, oh, Jesus didn't care about the rules or teetting

care about the law. No, no, no, no. He actually cared about the law even more than the Pharisees did because they were paying lip service to the law. He said, no, no, no, goes all the way down to the heart. If you've even thought in this way, you've already broken the law. First, Thessalonians 4-3 through five, for this is the will of God, your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, that each of you know how to control his own body and holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God. The Bible also teaches that the human body created by God possesses an inherent value and dignity and should not be unnecessarily harmed or desecrated. And by the way, like God created our anatomy. He created it not only for

procreation. He also created it for within the context of marriage sexual pleasure. Like that is a gift that has been given to us by God. It is not something that needs to be taken away from girls and women to maximize male satisfaction the way that God has already created it naturally maximizes satisfaction for both men and women. That is why marriage is beautiful. That is why sex is a gift. First Corinthians 619 through 20. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own for you are bought with a price. So glorify God in your body. That is the mentality when we are getting dressed every morning. We want to glorify God with our body, not draw attention to ourselves, not try to be objects of people's

desire not, again, that that's our responsibility, their sin, but to try to glorify God in our body and things that we wear. Psalm 139, 13 through 14, for you formed my inward parts. You knitted me together in my mother's room. Every single part of us was knitted together in our mother's womb. It's not to be desecrated. It's not to be mutilated. I praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made wonderful are your works. My soul knows it very well. Finally, Jesus emphasizes the importance of protecting children from harm while Scripture instructs parents to nurture and care for them rather than exploit them. Matthew 186,

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be bad for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. And the interpretation of little ones who believes in me, many have said essentially it does mean Christians, but we see elsewhere in scripture when Jesus says, let the little children come to me for such as these belong the kingdom of heaven, that Jesus was radical and revolutionary at the time in the way that he regarded vulnerable children

in a culture that really didn't honor them, especially in the pagan culture, who really regarded them as subhuman, as we've talked about many times. Owen Bakke wrote the book when children became people. And he talks about children going from being subhuman, being regarded as having no rights, to being regarded as this special class of people

entitled to our compassion and our special care, and it's all because of Christianity. It is still true today. That's why moral relativism doesn't work. When you look throughout history, the aberration, the exception to child sacrifice, to child exploitation, to child objectification and prostitution, all of those exceptions have existed not because of Islam, not because of Hinduism, not because of paganism, but because of Christianity. Everywhere that Christians have gone throughout history, we have said the child sacrifice ends now. The child objectification ends now.

It's not the same as these other religions. The fruit of Christianity has been orphanages, have been the organizations that have advanced the protection of children. That's not to say that those who have identified as Christians have not committed atrocities against children. Unfortunately, that has been true. And that is always sinful and always wrong. But the doctrines of Christianity produce the fruit of child protection and still must today.

That's why I'm not going to say, oh, yeah, all of these religions equal. Wearing a hijab, wearing a cross, all the same thing for kindergartners. That's great. That's great. Because there's too much underneath that that we know. And we have to say this is right. This is wrong. This is light.

This is darkness. What fellowship does light have with darkness? None. Treat everyone with respect. Treat everyone with dignity. compassion for every single child, but having compassion for every single child does not mean accepting every ideology, especially those that harmed them. All right. I know that was heavy, and that was a lot. And that was a lot to read into a Miss Rachel Post, but I just want you to know that Satan disguises

himself as an angel of life, that even things that seem casual, that seem nice, that seem simple, that there's something underneath. There's a worldview beneath statements like that, that Christians have to be really thoughtful in analyzing. All right. Now we were going to talk about like two other stories, but now we don't have time to do that because I got so into that particular subject. And so we're going to go ahead and skip to Lifestyle Pitter Patter with your favorite guest. And that is Bree.

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Were you invited? I signed an ironclad in D.A. I can't say anything about it. Okay, okay. So all of this will just have to pretend is hypothetical. We don't know. She could have been there. she may not have been there.

But in order to honor your NDA, you'll at least have to just pretend like you don't really know what went on. I'm speculating. Yeah. Okay. So hypothetically, let's look at this invitation. We've got the tea and tea together

in the intertwined hearts. You're invited July 3rd, 2026, Manhattan, love Taylor and Travis, one night only early evening black tie apparently this is the invitation that was leaked do you think it is the real invitation and what do you think about it i think it is there were rumors before the wedding that all of the invitations would be watermarked with the guest name and you can see this one is watermarked with the guest name um so that you would know if they leaked them um and that is the little logo that's been on everything that's been leaked. So I think it's real. And she's probably

not thrilled that it was leaked. Okay, Ashish Ferguson decided I'm just going to, I'm just going to risk it all. And I don't really care because people are going to want to see this. And maybe he got paid some money by some outlet to leak this. Are there any Easter eggs in this invitation that you noticed? people speculated that it was like painted by her it matches like the painting in i forget what it is off the top of my head but some other thing that she made like a poem or something she published um but other than that i don't i don't know if there's anything any easter eggs why do they care if their invitation gets out so yeah well to back up i think the biggest drama i think the biggest drama surrounding the wedding in general was it being at Madison Square Garden that was speculated

weeks before the wedding and it caused a lot of drama because people said that's tacky. I am on record saying I know Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift would never have her wedding at Madison Square Garden. It just didn't seem very in character. So that was one thing. People were like, why would she want to be right in the middle of Manhattan? to get married when all of the attention would be on her. I think now looking back, I still think it's an odd choice, but I kind of see the desire for control over privacy. I think it's different

from secrecy. I don't think she wanted it to be a secret, clearly. I think she wanted it to be private. And when you're in a place like that with high security, it can be private. I think she wanted to release some of these things on our own terms. We still don't have pictures of her in her wedding dress or what it actually looked like inside in detail. And I think that's on purpose. I think she wanted to be the one to release that in her own time. And I respect that. So she probably just, one, didn't want these invitations leak because she didn't want people to show up and know in advance that that was happening for sure. But two, I think just all the details were under wraps for privacy. So that's my guess. Where would you have predicted that

she would have had her wedding. I would have thought she, I mean, she has all the money in the world, right? I would have thought that she would have, like, rented a private island or something, you know, somewhere completely off the grid. Yeah. I feel like when you have enough money, you could make anything, you could find somewhere private. But I guess that wasn't the goal here. I guess the goal wasn't to go get married on an island. I also, I know we haven't gotten here yet, But as soon as she did get married, Madison Square Garden showed like an image on the outside screens that said just married, said just T&T married, which maybe she could have workshopped a little bit. But yeah, that's what showed right after they got married, apparently. And I saw a lot of

people who are Taylor Swift fans saying that was for us, which I think is a little parisocial. But to be honest, maybe it was. Maybe she just really wanted people to know as soon as it happened because obviously, you know, Taylor Swift fans weren't invited. So I think it was kind of a fun thing for people who love her. And I think that was always her plan was for people to know when it happened. That sign that we just put up, the Just T&T married, it's just like black text with a white background. It's giving Dwight. It is your birthday, period.

which is kind of surprising. Yeah, she probably, she's a writer. She probably got to have thought of something a little, a little flashier, but whatever, no one expected anything. Not bad, not bad, but that's true. Okay, so we have these pictures that are leaked allegedly by Daily Mail. The first one is full screen seven. And I want you to tell us like what you think exactly is going on.

So this is inside Madison Square Garden. I've never been to Madison Square Garden, so I don't really know what it typically looks like. I mean, I'm sure I've seen pictures and videos of concerts and things like that. I know it's a huge concert venue. It looks like a created world that you would see at like Disney World or like on Broadway or something like that. It looks like they have fashioned some kind of fake castle. They've covered all of the chairs in beige.

There are a bunch of curtains everywhere. They've got some kind of greenery. And then you've got the very well-dressed attendees guests filing in this, like, giant door. This also, Bree, is a surprising aesthetic for me when it comes to her wedding. It's almost like a concert, you know, like something that she would do at one of her performances. What did you think about it? Yeah, it's hard to say without seeing the details. but I mean I think her goal she said since she gotten engaged that she wanted to have a big wedding

supposedly there were a thousand people there approximately um so one I'm like well that automatically you can fit those people in there I don't know if it looked tacky or not I can't really tell from that picture but I feel like it is kind of on brand from what I'm seeing like her building herself like a little garden castle to get married in. That's like very Taylor Swift to me. And I'm sure it did look beautiful. I think there was some leaked descriptions of it from someone who attended just like a written description of it that was like they built a whole garden and kind of like describing the experience for guests. Another thing is when you have enough money, you can transform any venue into anything you want. So I think people,

were envisioning like, oh, she's getting married on a basketball court at Madison Square Garden, but she could have made it look like anything in there and apparently did. So I'm sure it was beautiful. And when pictures come out, I think it will be, I think it'll look a lot nicer than that leaked photo too. So I don't know. I just seeing her heiress to her, I'm like, she has capacity to design something really cool. So I'm sure she did. Okay, quick pause to tell you about every life. This is the pro-life diaper company that you guys need to be supporting. We're out of the diaper stage right now, which is kind of crazy. That's the first time that has happened in a long time because all of our kids were back to back.

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any part of this is his personality? Did he want to go big? Like do you think that he had opinions that were weighed at all? Or do you think that this was Taylor Swift's moment? And and her thing, and she basically drove all of these decisions. She's probably thought about this her entire life. So I'm sure she drove most of these decisions. He is now I know that I know who he is. I mean, his whole personality is like go big. So I'm sure he was totally on board with inviting a thousand people and making it as big of a spectacle.

as possible. I'm sure he didn't shy away from that at all. Outside of that, I don't know that he had any, I don't know that he cared, but I don't know that he had any say in any of this. This seems to be all her. Now, they did get, the marriage was a, or the wedding was officiated by Adam Sandler, which again, odd choice. I'm pretty sure that was his decision if I had to guess. I feel like she gave him something and he was like, okay, that's it. So, that's, that's, that's, that. That's, my guess. Okay. So this is another thing and I had texted you about this. Adam Sandler, I don't know if he is actually religiously Jewish, probably like secular in most ways, but whatever, he's not a Christian. And I think that Taylor Swift, at least nominally, has called herself a Christian. I assume that the

Kelsey's were probably raised like in a Christian home. I have no idea if Travis identifies as that. but I thought that that like choosing Adam Sandler is the officiant was a signifier that, okay, there's probably no faith aspects or Christian faith aspects interwoven in the ceremony at all, which I just think is interesting because typically when you have people, even if they are kind of secular, but they say that they're Christian, the wedding is the time that they would have Christian elements, that they would have a Christian officiant, that you would have someone that would pray to Jesus, that would like read a Bible verse, but to me choosing Adam Sandler, who seems like a super funny guy and probably did a great job

of officiating then. Like it was probably hilarious and fun and all of that stuff. Like that's just a symbol to me of this was probably a completely secular ceremony. What do you think about that? Yeah, no, it absolutely was. But I mean, those of us who followed her for a while have known, like she's not a Christian. She's always been maybe, maybe nominally Christian at best. And that It's only from a couple comments she's made politically, like, from her documentary when she was upset that some politician was doing something. And she was like, I'm a Christian. I don't. And she's from Tennessee and Pennsylvania. And so those are just things that they say. You know, she's never said anything to indicate that she actually is a believer. And I don't think she cares too. So I don't think either of them were interested in putting on appearances in that.

regard and probably almost every guest who is there would have thought that that was weird anyway. So, you know, yeah, I'm I'm assuming it was completely secular. And yeah, Adam Sandler is Jewish, so I don't think he would have done a Christian wedding anyway. So yeah. Yeah. Do you think that they played Welcome to New York as people were entering? I don't know, but I do know that she walked down the, well, okay, this is alleged. She walked down the aisle. to love story. So I thought that was kind of funny. Also, they're, I know, I know. Also, she handed out. That's like, it's, I mean, again, it's very Taylor Swift. I feel like she quotes herself a lot. It's very cringy. I have to admit. She also handed out like favors. I think they were like

handkerchiefs that had her lyrics on them. I forget the lyric off the top of my head. Yes, we have a picture of that. so it's going to be forever yeah okay also interesting obviously taylor swift knows her lyrics better than i do but the second half of that sentence so it's going to be forever or it's going to go down in flames not great to put the ellipsies after that like okay interesting choice of all the lyrics she could have chosen yeah i don't know that i would have picked that one but of all I know. And assuming everyone knows that too. Right. If I know it, then everyone else knows it too. I do like the handkerchief. I think that's really pretty. And then we have someone who was apparently an attendee who wrote this long thing on X about it, but he deleted it, which I'm like, did you not read that part of the NDA that you weren't supposed to be describing what happened? And so just a little bit.

I won't read the entire thing because it's long. But he says it did not look like Madison Square Garden immediately upon entry. Everything floors, walls, ceilings was draped in peach and white, large blown up pictures of Taylor and Travis at each age year by year from one year old to late teenagerhood were on display. Somehow magically someone created an outdoor garden at a lush countryside retreat. Everything draped off this time in green and white. Real flowers and I think artificial trees. I think artificial trees welcomed 15 rows of maybe 75 or so chairs.

They say there were around 1,000 attendees, but surprisingly it all felt intimate and small. Yeah, it seems like inside that little castle thing, I guess maybe friends and family were all kind of sitting there in those 75 seats. And then the seats around the venue were also occupied by people. Right. Then the party, an even larger stage set of a secret garden that was just,

exquisite with five-story tall lit tree, superb food and drink. I bet the food and drink was amazing. That's what I'm most interested about. I want to know what food and drink was served. An A-list audience, music, music, music. And then we also have this statement after the wedding from Taylor's publicist. The bride and groom's wedding ceremony looks have been created by Christian Dior, Hot Couture.

They are designed by Jonathan Anderson, creative director of Dior Women. men's and hot couture collections and close collaboration with the bride and groom, Cartier, jewelry. I can't wait to see all of that. I know. Yeah. They... Okay, tell me your prediction for her dress. Oh, I don't know. Here's the thing. I've always loved almost everything she's worn. I just really love her style. Whoever her stylist is, I love. So I anticipate it being pretty elaborate and pretty clitzy. I don't think she would have ever gone with the simple route. But again, I'm like questioning everything because I also said she'd never get married at Madison's Great Garden. So who am I to say? Who am I to say? I don't know. She also didn't have bridesmaids,

which surprised me. And I like, I really, I really thought that she would have. So, There's a lot that is different than when I had her brother, right? Her brother was like her best man, kind of. Yeah, her like man of honor. And then Jason Kelsey was Travis's best man and it was just the two of them. Last sponsor for the day is Freedom Project Academy. If you are a parent and you are just done with traditional schooling or maybe you're a homeschooling parent and you're like, oh my gosh, I need some help.

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down curriculum, just real learning that prepares students for what's next. Go to freedomfor school.com, use code alley. You'll get a discount on tuition. Freedomfor school.com code alley. Do you think that there were any celebrities who were snubbed and did not get an invitation? There are rumors that Blake lively was not invited. I don't know if that's true or not. I know she wasn't at the rehearsal dinner because she was photographed elsewhere. And that was surprising for people because they historically have been really close friends, but all the Justin Baldoni stuff maybe caused a rift.

I don't know. And I think that there were some other notable ones, too, who are, like, married to her friends, who weren't there. But I think that says more about the marriages than it does her being friends with them. So I don't know. I'm sure. I'm sure someone had to get cut out of a thousand, right? She knows a lot of people.

But I think Blake Lightley was the most dramatic one, probably. Yeah. Interesting. I wonder why they would have had a falling out after the Justin Baldoni think. Because somehow Taylor Swift got looped into. that drama. Yeah, her texts got, well, leaked is the wrong word. They got released.

And so I'm sure she wasn't thrilled about that. But I don't know that that's Blake's fault. Maybe it is. Probably not. For starting at all. Yikes. I don't know. I don't know.

Okay. At a press conference, Zoron Mamdani said that Taylor has paid New York City back for over $160,000 in police overtime. Okay, that's great. Travis and Taylor donate $26 million to charities before the wedding. Among the recipients are several food banks in New York, Los Angeles, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Missouri. I think that's interesting. I wonder why they decided that they were going to make those huge donations right before the wedding,

if it was correlated at all with the wedding, the space that they were using, the resources they were using, or if that's just something that they decided to do before they got married. So all of those locations are places that they have, well, that Taylor has a house, just many houses. And then Missouri is where Travis plays. And so I think they selected places where they've lived or no to donate to. And I'm pretty sure there hasn't been an official statement, but I'm pretty sure the $26 million was kind of like their wedding. They were making a wedding gift, essentially, to these places. I thought it was a really sweet gesture.

I thought it was nice that they didn't donate to anything absolutely insane. I'm sure some of these organizations don't do much and are actually kind of corrupt, I'm sure. But I also heard that some of them, some of the smaller ones that they donated to, were given such a huge amount that they were able to. Like now they're changing the whole structure of how they operate because of how much money they gave, which I think is just really cool. So, yeah, a lot of like cancer programs and children's hospitals and stuff like that. So I thought it was a nice gesture. And yeah, maybe it was for appearances, but still, you know, it's nice. It's nice.

Okay, Bree, what else do we need to know? What else do we need to know about Taylor Swift and this whole era and everything that's happening right now? She's gone pretty quiet, to be honest. I don't know what she's cooking up, but she had that Toy Story 5 song. A baby. And that's what we're hoping for, is a Taylor-Travice baby. She has a whole song about wanting a bunch of kids with him. So I say it's time.

And I think it'll be nice. It'll be a nice change of pace that they're getting married. And then after that, they're having kids. It just is like, for someone like her, it feels traditional. And I think that that's kind of nice. So hopefully this year we'll see. Yeah. Yes, we shall see.

All right. Anything else going on? I know that you've been following the World Cup closely because I've been following your stories and your stories are really my only connection to the World Cup. So that shows you how loose my connection is because I don't know that you are a tried and true soccer fan either. No. I was not interested at all when the World Cup started, and then the Team USA started winning

games, and then I got more excited and into it every time they won a game. But they lost. They lost to Belgium, I think. So my interest immediately went back down to zero. I'm pretty sure France is in there. I really, now I'm like, I'm not invested anymore because America lost. So that's where we're at. Yeah. Okay, that's where we're at. That's good to know. I don't think I even knew that America was no longer in the World Cup.

So thank you for that update. Also, our sports correspondent. Yes. Okay, Bree, are you going to be at Share the Arrow's this year? Yeah, I'm planning on it. Okay, good. Just making sure that everyone's prepared, Share the Arrows, October 10th. You heard it here.

Brie is going to be here. Yep, there we go. We got the graphic and everything. Share theeros.com. And Bree, you have some important travel coming up. And so everyone pray for Bree, pray for safety and effectiveness with everything that she's doing, the organization that she works with is doing. Bree, thank you so much for lending your insight today.

Thanks for having me. I love coming back. All right. I know we had a wide range of things today on Relatable. We will be back here on Friday. we will be talking to a criminal defense attorney about the Tyler Robinson case, what he saw in the pretrial hearing that was kind of strange to him and what it actually means what we can expect in the future. We'll see you guys then.