Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1377 | 'Geriatric' Pregnancies Are Trending. Is That a Good Thing?

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Allie examines the growing divide on the Right over Guy Benson’s announcement of his second child born via surrogacy, highlighting the tension between celebrating “conservative” gay voices and the reality that intentionally creating motherless or fatherless children violates God’s design for the family. She breaks down research showing the disadvantages faced by children raised without both a mom and a dad, pushes back against the “family diversity myth,” and shares why normalizing surrogacy, IVF for same-sex couples, and same-sex marriage undermines conservatism and harms kids. Allie also addresses the dangerous cultural push to delay motherhood into the 40s popularized by Anne Hathaway and Natalie Portman, exposing the fertility risks and heartbreak many women are now experiencing after putting career first. Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Time Codes 0:00 Introduction 9:55 Guy Benson’s Surrogate Baby 27:47 The Family Diversity Myth 41:21 A Surrogate Baby Contacts Her Egg Donor 52:00 Pregnancy After 40 Trend – Today's Sponsors: Head to https://cozyearth.com and use my code RELATABLE for an exclusive 20% off. Take charge of your health expenses and be part of a community. Join CrowdHealth to get started today for $99 a month for your first three months using code ALLIE at joincrowdhealth.com. Good Ranchers | If you go to ⁠⁠⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠⁠⁠ and subscribe to any box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. EveryLife | Visit EveryLife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% off your first order today! Geviti | Go to gogeviti.com/allie and use code ALLIE for 20% off. - Episodes You May Like: Ep 1206 | The Harsh Reality of Being an IVF Baby | Jennifer Lahl https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1206-the-harsh-reality-of-being-an-ivf-baby-jennifer-lahl/id1359249098?i=1000713487730 Ep 1147 | Human Egg Farms, Switched Babies & the Dark Web of Big Fertility | Guest: Katy Faust https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1147-human-egg-farms-switched-babies-the-dark-web/id1359249098?i=1000696364187 --- ► Buy Allie's book, "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on Social Media: https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

A Fox News commentator announced the birth of his surrogacy born child and the right is embroiled in yet another debate about surrogacy and marriage. I respond to all of this. Also, there's a new trend to glamorize and glorify having children after your 40. Is this positive or is there something we should be wary about? We've got all of this and much more on today's episode of Relatable. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. So the thing about the cadence of Relatable three times a week with Monday being theology focused

typically and Wednesday being more news focused and Friday being more of an evergreen interview. We're not always the first people to talk about the subject that is going on on X or that you're seeing in the news. And here's why I actually prefer that setup. There's a lot of anxiety, especially in the commentator space, to be the first person to say something, to be the first person to contribute their thought. And sometimes that hastiness can lead to less thoughtful takes, not always, but sometimes. And what I like is that the three times a week format that we have of this show forces us,

forces me to take a step back and to see the bigger picture and what is true underneath the talking points. What is true underneath the discussion, the dialogue that's going on? And sometimes things blow over. And the thing that I thought was really important when it happened is just not as important as I thought or the facts change. And I'm like, gosh, I'm really glad that I didn't give my initial reaction on that. There's a lot of self-control. I think that plays into this job and really can benefit you once you realize that, okay, I've got value to add to this conversation and it does not have to be immediate. What is more important is that we bring substance and in my case, try to bring as much biblical clarity to a topic as possible. When it comes to this particular

subject of a right-wing pundit named Guy Benson announcing the surrogacy birth of his new daughter, this is one that I want to take special care in discussing. Not only because I appreciate Guy Benson and the insight that he has added to political conversations over the years. He and I aren't close friends, but we have interacted in the past and have been in some of the same circles in the past. Every interaction that I've had with him has been completely pleasant. He seems like a very, very kind down-to-earth person and he's added a lot of good things to the discussion and the discourse over the years, a very sane, rational person as well when it comes to so many of the topics at hand. But regardless of whether or not I am familiar with the people

involved in this topic, we are talking about a family. We are talking about children. We are talking about precious babies made in the image of God, whose lives matter, whose soul matters. We are talking about all people in this situation, whom are, whom we care about, simply because they are humans and we want what is very best for them. So in me talking about this, I want to be sensitive without shying away even a little bit from what is good and right and true. Because we are talking about people that matter, because we are talking about the sanctity of life and the dignity of human beings and the rights that children are entitled to, even when they don't have the voice to speak up for themselves,

and have no political capital, I want to make sure, sure that I am kind, but also that I am unrelentingly truthful because people speaking the truth in love when it comes to surrogacy, when it comes to reproductive technology is the only thing that is going to make for a better future in which all people, no matter how small, no matter how young, no matter their location, are regarded as full human beings who are entitled to rights. Yes, the right to life, the right not to be tested on in a lab and then eugenically thrown away, but also I believe the fundamental right to a mother and father. We've talked about this a lot on this show over the years. This is not even close to the first conversation that we've had about surrogacy.

In fact, I credit some of the conversations, rather, yes, the relationships with the conversations that we had on Relatable more than five years ago with people like Katie Faust and Jennifer Law for really changing the direction and moving the conservative movement in the right direction when it comes to talking about things like surrogacy and IVF. Really things that were not being discussed several years ago. When I first started talking about the dangers of IVF and things like that, I got a lot of pushback, a lot of hate, a lot of, well, aren't you pro-level? shouldn't you be okay with all babies being born no matter what?

You'll remember when Dave Rubin announced that he and his partner were welcoming two children via surrogacy, that I did a video talking about that, like how to navigate that as a Christian who again likes the person who is announcing this, but is doing something that I believe to be ethically wrong. Like, how do we speak the truth in love to that?

And so I did that a few years ago. And I think it's important to do, to do that again today. Because when our emotions and when our affection for someone or a respect for someone comes up against something that we know morally and biblically, more importantly, is wrong. We have to know how to navigate that with both truth and love. So I want to look at the dialogue online about this and how the right is really fractured

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there were a lot of responses, especially from people in our camp. We've got a lot of evangelical conservatives who weighed in on this. Andrew Walker, for example, a friend of the show, someone you guys should be following, said designing family arrangements with the intentional deprivation of either maternal or paternal love is a violation of natural justice. I don't care whether left or right does it. It is still wrong. And society should not incentivize or applaud these arrangements. And of course, I believe that he is absolutely right about this. You've heard my spiel on surrogacy a lot. But when we create these children, especially in the same. this situation where you are buying the eggs from one woman, you are renting the womb from

another woman, so you're taking a child away from their biological mother, you are placing them in an unrelated woman whose smell and touch and heartbeats and body, they get to know, they call home for nine months, and then you immediately take that child after birth away from the only home, the only smell, the only regulator, the only regulator, the only only. The only woman they have ever known and away from the biological mom with whom they share half of their DNA, we are treating that child worse than we treat kittens and puppies. There are very strict restrictions around when you can actually adopt a puppy or a kitten. Why? Because we see the health benefits for these little animals and staying with their mother for 8, 10, 12 weeks. It varies a little

bit, but it's actually seen as cruel to immediately take that kitten away from his mother. Why? Because we understand when it comes to animals that there is a natural bond there, a natural mutual necessity that exists between the mother and the baby that needs to be preserved at least in those first few weeks when it comes to animals for that animal to be able to grow. For that animal, them to be healthy. But for some reason, when it comes to human babies who are much more fragile, who are much less resilient. And of course, as Christians, we believe, are made in God's image. And so matter infinitely more than a cat or a dog. We say, ah, it's probably fine. It's probably fine. Let's just see. Let's just see if it's fine. Let's do a little social experiment.

Take babies away from their mom, from their gestator, place them in the hands of two men. let's see what happens. Now, why are we okay with the let's see what happens mentality when it comes to these babies? Because the social experiment that we are conducting on these unconsenting children is satisfying the desires of adults. And that is ultimately what really matters more in our society at large. If you want to look at abortion, if you want to look at our foster care system, If you want to look at the reproductive industry, which rakes in so much money year after year, it is the prioritization of adult wants over children's needs. And I understand the family diversity theory that says, as long as a child is being raised in love,

they will be fine. Says who? Says who? I don't think that's true. I don't think that we can find the study that says, oh, actually, it's totally fine. Two, for the first time in history, in the millennia that human beings have existed, to purposely take a child away from the mother and raise them by two men, there is no consequence to that, psychologically, physically, emotionally,

spiritually. I don't think there's science to support that. And of course, there's no theology to support it. It is disordered from the start. from the very beginning, from the moment of conception, the egg selling, the sperm selling, the surrogacy using, which all by the way has physical consequences for the child. It's much more risky for the embryo. It's much more risky for a riskier for the baby as well during conception, during transfer

and implantation, during gestation, by the way, all of these things create a high risk situation, even higher risk situation for these little babies. But then, of course, you're creating this emotional and psychological, physiological risk too. And we just say, well, it's probably fine. The only reason that it's probably fine is because these little babies can't speak up for themselves, because they may not have the words right away to say, where's my mom? And yet how many times have we played these videos where, you know, we just played one the other day on my social media. And actually, if we can find it, I'll just go ahead and throw to it. But it's this dad saying, now, tell me why my child is calling us mama and is crying out

for mama, even though he's been raised by his two dads since birth. Here it is. My son has two dads. He has always just had two dads. So can someone explain to me why whenever he's? He's mad for us doing something completely horrible, like changing his diapers, brushing his teeth, or just putting on clothes on him. Why he screams, mommy, mommy, mommy. Like, why?

He never had a mom. So how does he even know that he should scream mom whenever he doesn't want anything? Is it from daycare? I don't know. He must have learned that from some other kids, right? Right? Okay, this is not just a one-off. Then before us, led by Katie Faust, chronicles these stories.

This is very common. This is natural. This is instinctive. Somewhere deep inside, we want to know where we came from. We want our mom. That does not mean that two men who are raising a child don't love their child. I think they do. It doesn't mean that they are not good fathers in a variety of,

ways. I think they are. It means that they're not a mom. You can be a really good dad, but you will never be a mom. As a mom of four with the fourth on the way, like, I can tell you there are so many different scenarios when our girls have needed me, me, specifically as a mom. even the very seemingly simple sentence of you're a girl just like mommy. And when you grow up, you'll be like me. You'll be a woman like me. And one day you might get married to a man like daddy. And you might be able to have a baby too.

Just the ability to be able to relate, oh, this is my mom. This is who I could turn into one day. I mean, Mr. Rogers, like, had that whole song basically saying that same thing because we used to understand that this fundamental orientation for boys and girls to be able to see themselves in the future through their parents was important. Now, it is different losing a parent by tragedy and losing a parent by deliberate arrangement. Okay. It's the difference between losing a parent by death and losing a parent by death. and losing a parent because of some intentional choice of someone to take that parent away. Both are tragedies, both are sad, both have effects, but in one, you feel the sense of betrayal that my mom sold me.

And the other woman who carried me, well, she also made tens of thousands of dollars from giving me away. If you don't think that affects a child's psychology, you're fooling yourself. You're fooling yourself because it's uncomfortable to think about. And that's what I want to push you to do. Don't not think about the ethics of surrogacy and what we are doing to babies because it's uncomfortable to think about. That means you care more about adult sexual whims than you do the rights of children.

And I'm telling you that's evil. It's evil. No matter how many times the world tells you that's compassionate. Blaise host Steve Deis is one of many who pointed out that the rights division on the issue is a really bad sign. If we can't win the argument within our own team that kids should not be purposely denied a mom or dad, we have no chance to beat the other team.

And he's 100% right about that. Okay, if we're just looking pragmatically, not even getting into theology yet, if we're just looking pragmatically, like if we cannot say the most basic truths that a dad can't become a mom, we've lost. Like what business do we have talking about?

trans sports. If we basically believe the same thing that the left does, but just exchanging the buzzword for homosexuality, you know what I'm saying? Like, we don't believe that a woman or a man can become a woman. We don't believe that a boy can become a girl. And so they shouldn't play on the girls' sports teams. But we do believe apparently that a husband can become a wife. We do believe apparently that a dad can become a mom. That's the same math. Okay? Transwomen are women is the same math as love is love.

They're both circular. They never define the term. It doesn't actually mean anything. And when we say, oh, well, kids just need parents. You are saying that men and women are interchangeable. So what logic do you have behind saying men shouldn't be in women's sports you've just said in this other sense when it comes to so-called gay marriage or surrogacy that men and women are interchangeable. So is a woman actually a woman? Is she biologically defined

and necessary or not? That's what the right has to decide. That is so fundamental. That is so basic to our understanding of reality. Actually, our understanding of those truths is why any of us are here. Surprise. Like all. humans around the world are here. All humans who have existed since the beginning of time are here because we understand that. That a man can't be a woman, that a mom can't be a dad. You've got to have those two to tango. Even people who say, I saw, you know, a famous couple, two men use a surrogate to have their child, an egg cellar, to have their child stay outright. And I've seen this sentiment over and over again. Our kids don't have a mom. Our kids don't have a mom. They have two dads.

seller, they have a surrogate, they don't have a mom. Every child has a mom. Every single child, every single person on the planet that has ever lived has a mom and a dad. And surrogacy, egg selling, and sperm selling, robs them of that. Plain and simple. Okay. You can use your euphemisms to say that that is not true. It is true. It is true. Megan Basham, she lent her opinion, which I agree with. She said, Benson is an incisive pundit. 100% true. But there is nothing conservative about deliberately creating motherless children. I pray Benson and those like him on the right would consider what they're telling the world about how unnecessary they believe mothers, or if we're talking about two women, fathers,

are to the needs of children because that is what they're declaring when they create these children through the surrogacy process that mothers and fathers serve no specific purpose. Now, Kennedy Montgomery, she's another Fox News host. She was also the officiant for Guy Benson and his partner's wedding said this in response to Megan. Now, the intellectualism of this is about to blow your mind. I mean, it is such a substantive argument that you might, like, I don't know. I don't know. If you didn't go to Yale, get your PhD, you probably won't be able to follow this. Okay? So us simpletons, we're going to do our best. Okay. Are you ready? here's what Kennedy said to Megan's thoughtful post.

She said, bless your heart, Megan. While you're at it, go replace the batteries and your vibrator. Oh, by golly. I didn't realize how wrong I was. Thank you so much. You know what? Kids don't have a right to a mom and a dad anymore. It is perfectly fine to take a newborn away from their mother

and to make sure that they don't get the skin to skin that's necessary for them to regulate their heartbeat and temperature. That's fine. It is fine because Kennedy, she decided to go into like the liberal woman comedian sex slop of female secular comedy and go that route. All right. Well, a lot of people thankfully piled on Kennedy and was like, that was totally unnecessary. That was not like not a worthy response.

Megan responded to her with something very kind and thoughtful, which of course is exactly what I expect in Megan to do. just completely uncalled for. Okay, you disagree. I understand you disagree. Okay. Like, let's hear the argument or just don't give your argument at all. That didn't even make any sense.

Okay. That's like you're emotionally lashing out. And that doesn't look good. Okay. George Santos, I guess he's someone who used to be a Republican congressman. He also identifies as gay. He said, I'm no Guy Benson fan. But Megan, go step on grass.

those like him on the right. You mean the rare common sense gay man? Are you trying to push us out and go back to the Bush days? You know the days Republicans were content with losing. He's going to raise his daughter with his partner. I guarantee you she will be while taking care of and turn out. Just fine. There are plenty of motherless and fatherless kids in the world.

As long as they are raised with love, that's all that really matters. Stat please. Stat please, because we have a lot of stats on fatherlessness in America. and actually it really does greatly affect kids negatively. We don't have as many stats on motherlessness because it's a historical aberration. Because fathers, unfortunately, derelict dads have been leaving their families in some cases. For generations and generations, moms very rarely do that. So we don't have a lot of historical data on that.

We have a ton of historical data on what happens when kids grow up without a dad and it's not good. you've got rising likelihood of delinquency of eating disorders, of sexual promiscuity, of all different kinds, of mental health issues, anxiety, depression. Could it be because robbing a child of their mother or father isn't good for them? Could it be that God knew what he was doing when he created our bodies, when he created the family, when he made us male and female? Now he says he's going to raise his daughter and I guarantee you she'll be while taking care of. I have no doubt about that.

I've no doubt that she will be well taken care of. That's not my concern. My thoughts about their niceness and their desire and intent to raise their children well is totally unaffected. Like I believe those things about them. It's just that they're not moms. And neither of them can be. And moms and dads aren't interchangeable because men and women aren't interchangeable.

Let's talk a little bit more about this myth of family diversity that love raises a child. And that's all that's needed. You could have three dads. You could have five moms and two dads. You could be raised by wolves. But as long as you are loved, as long as you are cared for, then you turn out just fine. Is that actually true? We'll look into it in just a second.

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myth, what we just outlined, the idea that love makes a family and kids are just as well off, as long as they have someone in their life who is loosely associated with them, who loves them. His 2024 study actually found that when young men specifically are raised by two married biological parents, that's key there, they are 20% more likely to graduate college than to end up in prison or jail. Not 2%. 20%. So biological parents. Also, if we look at a 2012 University of Texas study that surveyed over 15,000 young adults, it found that compared to those raised by stably married biological parents, okay, that's only ever can be a mom and dad, individuals raised by lesbian mothers differed on 25 of 40 outcomes, 63%. And those raised by gay fathers

differed on 11, 28% with disadvantages, including higher depression, lower health and income, more unemployment, public assistance, sexual abuse, and relationship instability. Now, you might say, oh, well, that could be because of discrimination. That could be because of poverty and different things. It doesn't look like it. And actually, gay men have the highest income trajectory, typically, because they are two hardworking men very often with two full-time careers. And so there seems to be something special about being raised by your mother and father. A study published in the Journal of Child Psychology

and psychiatry that measured the psychological adjustment of children from different family types found that the surrogate-born children had higher levels of adjustment-level difficulties than other children, which of course makes sense. Now, I always get questions in the of this, well, okay, what about children who were adopted? Because children who are adopted are typically taken away from their mother right at birth. Children who are adopted, typically have some kind of like trauma during gestation or the mother was going through trauma during gestation. And obviously, they're not being raised by their biological mom and dad. And so people will accuse me of being anti-adoption. I am very pro adoption. I think adoption is beautifully

redemptive. And that is the key there. Is that adoption redeems an already broken situation, whereas surrogacy, egg selling, sperm selling creates that broken situation. Okay. So broken situation already exists. We've got a pregnant mother. She feels that she can't raise her child on her own. Okay. Still, the ideal for that child that she is pregnant with would be to be raised by his biological mom and biological dad married in the same home if those two parents could do that. But because the mother feels that they can't, the next best option, it's not the ideal. The next best option is to be adopted by a loving mom and dad. Okay. So we have redeemed a broken situation. We live in a fallen world. That means there will be

orphans. There will be foster care. There will be abandonment. There will be the necessity of adoption. I think that adoption is a beautiful picture of the gospel. Okay. Redeems that broken situation. But if you are selling your DNA to create a child that you are purposely not going to raise, if you are selling your eggs, selling your sperm, if you are selling your body, basically a prostitute for tens of thousands of dollars to jested a child that you are not going to raise and care for, also abandonment.

You are creating that broken situation. And then if you are the people over here who are paying for that, you're paying for basically the prostitutes, the people selling their eggs, selling their sperm, selling their body for money to create your child. You are also creating that broken situation. Create the broken situation versus redeem the broken situation. That is the difference. Now, both kids born via surrogacy and kids who are adopted can go through similar effects

of that primal wound simply because the ideal in those situations, was not met, but ethically, the intent behind it is not the same. I always tell that story and I'll tell a very shortened version of when my oldest was born and she was having breathing struggles and they wanted to take her to the NICU and I begged them to put her on my chest. They put her on my chest and then before they took her to the NICU, they tested her breath one more time. It was perfect.

And in that case, I know this is not in all emergency cases, but in that case, what she needed to regulate her breathing was her mom was me. My heartbeat, my warmth, the only person she had ever known. And I just wonder, I just wonder how often that is true. For all babies who are born, but especially these babies who are being purposely robbed of that from the earliest age. More and more Republican voters actually seem to be. And conservatives actually seem to be realizing, okay, this is not as innocuous as we thought. If you go back a few years to when Dave Rubin announced this, like I would say there was just a minority of people, even on the right, being like saying like, I just don't think I can say congratulations. I just don't think I can go along and celebrate this. I was heavily criticized lambasted for that at the time. By the way, by some people who now are like calling this out and condemning this, some of those same people criticized me publicly for very graciously.

I might add and patiently wading into those waters and saying a controversial truth about the ethics of surrogacy. But nevertheless, I am very glad that the opinion is changing on this. A 2025 Gallup poll show that support for same-sex marriage, so called, was on the decline for Republican voters, down to 41% from 55% in 2021 to 2022. Okay, a matter of three years drops 14%. Wow, on something that I think in like 2016, everyone thought was a given forever. When asked whether same-sex marriage was morally acceptable, 38% said yes. That's on the Republican side, okay?

National polling from the greater than campaign, that's Katie Faust campaign, released in June, 26th, showed that 96% of conservative and moderate voters believe that it's important for children to be raised with both an involved father and mother. 78% children's needs should come before adult. desires while the 78% is way too low. That's crazy. But 96% conservative and moderate. Okay, so we're not just talking about far right people. People accuse me of being far right. No, 96%

of conservative and moderate voters believe that you should be raised with mom and dad. We can agree with gay conservatives on a lot of issues and be glad that they are anti-woke in many respects. And I will continue to. I will continue to be thankful for that. That does not mean that I have to compromise on this. And I won't. I won't because I actually find this more important than almost every other issue out there. Not every issue. I mean, like obviously I want to link arms with people to matter what your sexuality is on things like abortion, on things like immigration. All of those things are really important. But this is right out there with abortion because we're still talking about the sanctity of life and the rights of babies. What are they? Do they exist?

Or do babies exist just as social experiments for adults who want to fulfill? fill their wants. If we can't answer that on the right, then we've got a big problem because it really does go back to like what is conservatism? What are we conserving? And if we are not conserving the family, which is the building block of every flourishing and free society, and we are redefining marriage to be something other than what it biologically and biblically is, well, then we're on very shaky grounds because if marriage can be redefined, as between two, men or between two women. Again, another historical aberration. It wasn't like that in any society for millennia. Then why can't it be three people? Why can't it be five people? Why can't it be

500 people? And you tell me, does a five person union in which at least, at least three of those people are unrelated to the child, does that seem like a safe and stable situation for a child? we actually know that the most likely abuser in a child's life is the unrelated male that lives inside the home. Now, does that mean every stepfather or every unrelated male living inside the home is going to be an abuser? No, not even close. It's not with that saying that's just statistically true. That that child is statistically far more likely to be abused when an unrelated male is living inside his or her home. And so when we redefine marriage to make that more likely, you are putting children at risk. And if you're like, that's a slippery slope fallacy. The slope is slipped.

It slipped way past where evangelicals thought it would slip back in 2015 when we warned about the effects of Obergefell. Like, I wouldn't have thought that polyamory and poly relationships would be something that we were seriously discussing. I would have laughed in your face. I would have thought that you were reading from a passage from some far left dystopian novel. Or if you showed me a picture of someone of one of these men walking into a woman's dressing room and you told me that I would be lambasted for not calling him she, I would have laughed. I would have thought this is a Chris Farley skit that you were reviving and you were trying to tell me that this is serious.

So the slope is slipped. You can't tell us it's a slippery slope anymore. Like we've slid way past where we thought that. we would. You know, I heard something the other day in a sermon. And I couldn't believe it. So PC USA, that is the Presbyterian Church of the United States. They are the liberal, they're the liberal wing of Presbyterian. PCA is more conservative. PCUSA is, is more liberal. The PCUSA, okay, is currently debating, according to Religion News Service, it's, stance on polyamory after a proposed role requiring clergy. Clergy. To be strictly monogamous was

referred to a broader study on human relationships and sexuality. Okay. So they were taking a vote on like, okay, how are we going to define marriage and holy matrimony for our clergy? Because they had already consented or they already assented to the redefinition of marriage that could be between two men or two women. And so now, of course, as it goes, because that slope is so slippery, you had clergy inside the PCUSA saying, well, like, maybe it's not just two men. What if it's, what if it's three men? What if it's five? What if it's a polycule? They didn't bring it to a vote. They were going to bring it to a vote. They decided to defer the vote for further study. Okay. The denominations official governing documents do not explicitly mention polyamory leaving room for

active internal debate and grassroots discussion. Okay, that is an article from June 4th, 2026. So that is exactly the consequence of refusing to define marriage as it biologically is, as it biblically is. Okay. That's what happens when you deny Genesis 1 27. Okay, you skip right to Romans 1. Everything becomes acceptable. You become foolish. Because on what basis is marriage only between two people. Once you start self-defining things based on adult whims, anything goes, children suffer. That's the point. That is the point. All right. We've got more on this in just a second. Let me pause, tell you about our next sponsor, Crowd Health. If you're ready to opt out of health insurance, if it's just too much, too complicated, causing you to feel sicker than you already

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circulating about an egg seller. The exchange that she had with her 19-year-old biological child went viral because this woman who sold her eggs almost 20 years ago, she wanted validation that she had responded correctly to this young person who reached out to her. So she posted this on TikTok. First, the message, it looks like maybe a Facebook message, social media. message that a 19-year-old that was apparently conceived from her sold egg sent her and said said this, I don't mean to be a bother, but I think you may be my biological mother.

My mom revealed this info to me, and I was wondering if you wanted to do a DNA test and possibly get to know me and build a relationship as your daughter. I think I look so much like you. I've always felt empty and disconnected from my mom and didn't know why. So this person seems to have been raised by a mom and a dad. and yet desperately wanted to know where do I come from? Okay, so love wasn't enough. We hear a lot, oh, people who are born via egg and sperm selling,

like they get the comfort knowing that they were paid for. They were wanted so much. They were perfectly planned. It's not enough. We want to know who's am I. Where do I come from? Okay. The egg seller said this in response,

Hi, I'm going to be very direct with you. this is a major breach of privacy. Egg donation is confidential anonymous business transaction. I signed my parental rights away 19 years ago. I am not your mother. And I do not have the space or desire to build a relationship with a stranger. Please contact the clinic or agency your parents used. And please do not contact me again.

How rude. How incredibly heartless and callous do you have to be this person obviously searching for meaning, searching for love, searching for connection, and you get hit with your business transaction, don't contact me. Okay, by the way, if you are truly donating something, it's not a business transaction. That's why egg donor, sperm, donor is a misnomer. You are getting 10 to thousands of dollars in some cases for your eggs and for your sperm. It's only called donor because that's the legal workaround because you're not actually supposed to be able to sell human DNA. So you say that, oh, you're paying me for my time. We all know the truth.

I mean, it's selling children. So we posted this and, oh, posted this video. We'll play it. I think it's pretty creepy because not only is egg donation supposed to be anonymous, I'm not your mom. You know, I can see if I had this baby and I put her up for adoption, you know, but that's not what I did. I sold my eggs. I signed my rights away. I got my check and I went on about my life. Why the hell are you contacting me right now?

Okay, so that's the video that she had posted in her voiceover there. I mean, it is, though, like you gave your child up for adoption. So a lot of commenters criticized her for how harsh she was. And so she said in a follow up video that while she still doesn't want to be the young, woman's mother, she's willing to have a conversation. And she said this. Now, this is after backlash. Okay, remember what she initially said.

Okay, after backlash and after people didn't say, you go, girl, yes, queen. That was so awesome what she just said to your biological mom. She said, okay, okay, okay. She did a little CYA. And she said, I've spent the last 24 hours thinking about your message. My initial response was defensive because I wasn't prepared for this. And I'm sorry if it came off as cold. It was cold. Ice cold, frigid. I'm not in a place to be a mother to you, but I do understand

that you're looking for answers and I'm open to a phone conversation so we can both be heard. Let me know if you're still open to that. If you are, I will send you my number. We can go from there. That would have been a great initial response. A great initial response. Okay, remember what we said in the beginning about self-control, not responding to things right away? And then the response is, you can just tell this person is so young. Hi, OMG, yes. Yes, I would love that. Thank you. At first, feelings were hurt. But then I talked to my mom and understood now, thank you for reaching back out. Poor thing. I mean, she still had to hear. I guess this is she still had to hear that she was a business transaction and that this woman signed her rights away. Again, you can just see how in

these cases, the adult desires trumped this child's needs. And these are the ethical quandaries that you opt into, that you place without consent. your child into when you have this ins justify the means for all reproduction, ins justify the means mentality. For the Christian, none of this really should be confusing, okay? Shouldn't sell humans. You shouldn't buy humans. You shouldn't sell your DNA. You shouldn't buy human DNA. If you are set on having a child, like if you feel that God is calling you to have a child, I promise you he is not calling you to unethical means to have that child. Our desire for something does not justify any means necessary to fulfill that desire.

That's not what Psalm 374 means that delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart. He is not going to call you to sin. He's not going to call you to place the wants that you have above the needs of your child. He's not going to. Okay. There are thousands of kids who need adoption. There are thousands of kids who need love. Maybe it's not through adoption. Maybe it's through volunteer opportunities. I think we are all called to love and nurture children in some way, whether or not you are a parent, but you are risking a lot, emotionally,

spiritually, physiologically, mentally for your child when you say, I don't care how they were conceived, how they were gestated, how they were made. I just want to be a parent. I just want to be a parent. no matter what. It's selfish. That's not the right way to start out your parenting endeavor, because parenting is about sacrificing what you want on behalf of your children. Okay, so while the world says that this is love, and this is the consequence of defining love is love, that means love can be anything. It can literally just mean the fulfillment of your wants. Christians know better. Because 1 John 4A. tells us that God is love. God is love. He created it. He's the source of it. he gets to define it. He defines it in 1 Corinthians 13 is so many things. Love is patient,

love is kind. It does not envy or boast. It does not insist on its own way. It never rejoices in wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love is not love. God is love. God defines love. First Corinthians 13, he defines it so beautifully, so clearly. Okay. So if the love doesn't look like that, It's not love. It's something. It's desire, but it's not love. And if Christians are about anything, it's about that, right? If we're going to allow the world to define parenting,

the world to define mom and dad, the world to define marriage, and the world to define love, and we as Christians are not willing to speak up and say, no, no, no, the God who created you. He's the one who gets to define these things. What are we even doing? What are we doing?

You know? Like, really, is this what the martyrs died for? Like, for us to be weak and cowardly about these basic things? If you can't even stand up for Genesis 127, which is biologically obvious, even pagans do that throughout history, are you really going to stand for John 146 that Jesus is the way, the truth, the life? No one comes to the father except through him. Doubt it. It's much more controversial. Now, remember, John the Baptist, he was beheaded, not for not for hearkening the arrival of the Messiah, but for calling out a sinful marriage between Herod and Herodius. Okay, so Christians are called to do both.

Christians are persecuted for doing both. But marriage really matters. It mattered so much that John the Baptist gave his life for it. Don't be duped into thinking that Christian love just means tolerating sin at the expense of children. Ephesians 415, rather speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head into Christ. Galatian 6-1, brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness, keep watch on yourself,

lest you too be tempted. First Peter 315, but in your hearts, honor Christ, the Lord is holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and respect. Yet do it with gentleness and respect. That means you do it. You don't sacrifice the doing it of telling the truth, that you do it with gentleness or respect, knowing that no matter how gentle and respectful you are, there will still be people who call you cruel and mean and bigoted, and that's okay. Because in our hearts, we are honoring Christ the Lord as holy. All right, we got a couple more things to talk about. Let me pause, tell you about our next sponsor. It is Every Life. Every Life is an amazing pro-life diaper company.

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She's having a baby. Why are people just fawning over her? I understand why someone like me would. She's gorgeous. Let me just show you her in this periwinkle. dress. First, I think that she's in autumn. Let me just say that. And I think, even though it's not an official autumn color, I think periweekal on an autumn looks amazing. She looks incredible. So beautiful. I love this dress on her. She's a beautiful pregnant woman. I am so happy for her. And I'm so glad that she is on social media. She's on the red carpet showing that you can do all of these things. You can have a baby. I also love that she is showing like you don't have to stop having a baby when you're 35, just because they call you geriatric or whatever it is.

You can keep having a baby and it's beautiful. It doesn't ruin your life. So I think that's great. But there is something that I think is interesting about this to know. So the Wall Street Journal published an article on July 13th titled Your 40s used to be middle age, not anymore featuring this glamorous photo that we already showed of Anne Hathaway. The article points to Hathaway as well as Natalie Portman, who is,

45 who is expecting her third. I did not know that as examples of the cultural shift when it comes to maternal age. Did you know that they don't call post 35 pregnancies geriatric anymore? They actually call it advanced maternal age. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. While I am happy about all the things that I listed and I'm happy about the contribution of another image bearer of God to the world, and I think motherhood is fantastic. The risks have not actually changed in association with pregnancy after 40. Am I saying that you shouldn't do it if you are a married woman? No, but just because we changed the name, because geriatric was offensive, doesn't mean that the risks don't exist. It is much more difficult

to get pregnant after 35 and especially after 40. The risks to you, the baby do increase after that. here is what I'm just a little bit afraid of when it comes to the, when it comes to the advertisement of this and perhaps one of the reasons even why it is being circulated and why it is being unconditionally louded even in circles where you wouldn't think it would be because it is pushing this idea that you can party through your 20s, chase your career through your 30s, choose to settle down when you are 38, and you will be just as likely to get married and have children and be a trad wife when you are 45 as if you did it when you were 25. And that is not statistically true. I just don't want to sell women, this unrealistic vision of what their

life will absolutely look like if they defer marriage for promiscuity and for their career to be a girl boss forever and ever until they have finally expended all of their options. They've gotten all of the promotions that they want to get. And then they'll just be able to snap their fingers and look like Anne Hathaway in a matter of a few months. It's just not likely. Is it possible? Yes, the Lord can do anything.

I know lots of women who got married in their 30s and had kids and their kids and their late 30s and early 40s, I am not knocking that as a rule. God can absolutely do anything. I just don't want young women to get the wrong impression. You should not think that as a rule, you've got 20 more years to spend not pursuing marriage or not wanting marriage or not settling down. Probably not. You probably don't have that long. The biological clock is something that is real. And I think it's okay to reckon with that. I don't think it's rude. I don't think that it is limiting God by any means.

I think it's just realizing God created us a certain way. We have a certain window of fertility. There is a time within that window in which getting pregnant is most likely. If you want to get married and have children, it makes sense as far as it depends on you to try to get married and have children during that window as far as it depends on you. So I don't have a problem, obviously, with women getting pregnant later in life. I have a problem with us presenting that as if it is something, as if it is the ideal.

Bridget Fetasy, we've had her on the show. She is a comedian, a podcaster. She said this in response to the Wall Street Journal article that really just talks about how, you know, how different it is and how acceptable it is now for people like Kim Kardashian and Serena Williams, have children in their 40s. Bridget says, I got pregnant at 43. I am very clear when I tell my story that I'm exceptionally lucky. I heard once that something like one out of six women who wants to have kids after 35 can't. I would have had five kids had I started young. Okay. So according to the CDC,

analyzing the years 1990 to 2023, it shows that births to women 40 and older have increased by 193 percent. I don't think that is a good statistic. I think that that is actually not a sign of women extending their fertile years and saying, hey, I trust God to give me five more kids in my 40s. That would be one thing. I think it's people deferring responsibility. I think it's people putting off marriage until they have checked all of their boxes. Now, some women, you don't, you can't help it, you know, that's the guy's going to pursue you when he's going to pursue you and you wanted to get married earlier and you didn't. Again, different situation. But if you want to get married, your choices should align with that. If you want to have kids, your choices should align with that. Don't put yourself in a situation if you can help it where you're 42 and having, quote unquote, to rely on IVF to have kids because you were sold the lie that you can easily get pregnant with when you're 42. Can't easily get pregnant when you're 40. You can't easily get pregnant when you're 40. probably not. There was this really sad story in the New York Post,

and the headline was, a 38-year-old woman decides she wants a baby, claims she has been betrayed by feminism. She put this crying video on social media. Her name is Melissa. She said, I feel unbelievably betrayed by feminism. And I don't want to put it on the movement entirely because I believe you make your own choices,

but I was constantly fed this idea that women can do everything. We don't really need men. I kind of want to go back to some of those. teachers and coaches and say, what did you mean by that? Because we can't do it all. Melissa was married at 22 to a man who wanted a traditional family, a simple life with children, home-cooked meals. However, she didn't want children or that lifestyle. She said that she'd had it when he asked her to do his laundry and make him dinner. She wanted to pursue a career. I guess she left that, left that marriage. But she is realizing that that life is closer to

what she really wanted than the one that she has now when it is very difficult to be able to settle down and have kids. I think that this is real. This is real. And the people also who say, I saw Dax Shepard say that this is an option for his kids and he's going to offer his daughter to freeze her eggs when she's like 18. Like that, like that's some viable option. First of all, it's terrible for you. It's terrible for your body. And again, if you do the lie that just be easy. It'll be easy in two decades. It's not. And you're creating, again, moral risk. You're creating risk for that child. A UCLA said he found that only 5.7% of women who froze their eggs between 2014-2016 actually used them between five and seven years. A Society for Assisted

Reproductive Technology Report found that 55% of women under 35 had a live birth after one cycle of egg retrieval compared with only 4.3% for women over 42. I think it's dangerous for women. I think it's dangerous for children. I think it's dangerous for all these embryos that are being created to believe the lie that this is the ideal, that this is the ideal. I understand that might offend some people, but listen to all my caveats. It's not the ideal.

It is possible. Children are a blessing no matter what, but I don't believe that this should be hoisted up to women as like the thing that they should attain. As far as it depends on you, get married as soon as. as you can. All right, let me tell you about our last sponsor for the day, and then we will close out. And that is Good Ranchers.

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All right, y'all. I had like a whole other story to talk about that we didn't have time for. You guys know I'm just like super passionate about these topics, especially the first topic because I just really think the rights of kids matter. On Friday, we are switching gears. We're going to have a different kind of interview. We are going to be talking about finances with a finance expert from Ramsey Solutions. We've got George Campbell on the show.

It was such a good conversation, y'all, whether you are a total newbie when it comes to finances or if you're someone who feels like you are a pro, I think that you are going to hear things in that conversation that you've never thought about before. I think you'll find it really encouraging. I think you'll find it challenging, maybe even offensive at some parts, y'all. I felt convicted at the end of it. I was like, oh, shoot, I hadn't really thought about things that he was saying there. And so it's really good.

Make sure that you tune into that. That will be out Friday morning. And as always, if you've got thoughts, if you've got suggestions, a lot of you have asked me different things about like block cameras, different subjects that you guys have sent me. We are always going through your messages and making sure that we are giving you guys the things that you want to hear about, the things that you need to hear about as much as we possibly can. So send me a message, leave a comment. Thank you guys so much for being here.

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