Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1380 | Lindsay Clancy Trial: Psychotic Victim or Ruthless Murderer?

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

Allie addresses the heartbreaking story of a Massachusetts mother, Lindsay Clancy, who murdered her three young children in 2023. Lindsay was on multiple SSRIs and other psychiatric medications to help with her postpartum depression; the question of whether or not Lindsay is legally responsible for the murder of her children surrounds the case. Allie looks at what the prosecution and the defense are arguing and digs into the problem with SSRIs; how they are being pushed on women before, during, and after pregnancy. However, even considering her mental struggles, Lindsay still displayed deliberate premeditation and cruelty that needs to be taken seriously. Allie also looks at the popularity and normalization of autism and antidepressants on TikTok as well as how “imposter syndrome” forgoes opportunities to grow. Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252. Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Time Codes 0:00 Introduction 9:48 The Lindsay Clancy Trial 29:22 Clancy’s Cocktail of Drugs 44:16 The Prosecution’s Case 56:08 The Viral “Autism Reveal Party” 1:04:36 The Problem with “Imposter Syndrome” – Today's Sponsors: A'del | Visit AdelNaturalCosmetics.com and enter promo code ALLIE for 25% off your first-time purchase. Take charge of your health expenses and be part of a community. Join CrowdHealth to get started today for $99 a month for your first three months using code ALLIE at joincrowdhealth.com. CovePure is giving my audience $250 off if you use my link, CovePure.com/ALLIE . Patriot Mobile | Go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 972-PATRIOT. Use promo code ALLIE for a free month of service. Good Ranchers | If you go to ⁠⁠⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠⁠⁠ and subscribe to any box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. Episodes You May Like: Ep 1278 | Former FDA Official Unveils Pharma’s Shocking Lies About Depression | Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1278-former-fda-official-unveils-pharmas-shocking/id1359249098?i=1000741051536 Ep 1189 | SSRIs Are Rewiring Babies’ Brains — and Killing Their Moms | Guest: Dr. Adam Urato https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1189-ssris-are-rewiring-babies-brains-and-killing/id1359249098?i=1000708507649 --- ► Buy Allie's book, "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on Social Media: https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Lindsay Clancy is accused of murdering her three children in January of 2023. And the trial has a lot of people asking, but what about postpartum psychosis? What about all of the medications she was on? Does this mean that she is not liable legally for killing her children? We're going to explore both perspectives today. My answer, my analysis might surprise you once we dig into all of the details as well as the arguments for the prosecution and defense. A lot of you have been asking me about this and we'll get into every single bit of it today. First, before we get into today's episode, I just want to remind you if you are a Christian woman, it's time to sign up for Share the Arrows, get your tickets. We are going to have an incredible Holy Spirit-filled, no-fluff,

gospel center day, Shane and Shane, Elisa Childers, Rosaria Butterfield, Natasha Crane, Audrey Brogey, Grace and a Castleberry, Kosteehan, yours truly. It's brought to you by our friends at Rage Leather. Go to share the arrows.com. Get your tickets. Share the arrows. com. Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. I didn't get to talk to you guys really on Monday since we did something a little bit different. Had an incredible story that we put out at the beginning of the week. So I didn't get to tell you the biggest news, which is that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch that he's not surprised. He's not taken aback by anything. And actually,

this week is bookmarked by the reminder at the beginning and the end that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch that God is seeking and saving the lost, that there are testimonies happening on a daily basis that do not make headlines. They're not always going viral. And yet we want to highlight those stories where clearly we see God working and sometimes mysterious ways so often unseen and unsung ways. And I see it as part of my job to try to highlight those stories as much as possible. It ministers to me reminds me of God's of his faithfulness, his relentlessness, and giving himself glory and advancing his kingdom. And that's part of why I have these testimonies, not just to edify you guys, but to edify me too

and to emboldened me and to fortify my faith too. So go back and listen to our watch Monday's episode if you haven't. Also catch Friday's episode, another incredible testimony. Today we are talking about a subject that we don't always talk about, or at least an umbrella. And that is the umbrella or the category of true crime. And why we are talking about this particular crime story is because it represents an intersection of things that we have been talking about for the past couple years. And many of you guys have asked me to talk about this tragic story of Lindsay Clancy. Now, after my oldest was born, I would find myself in this state of debilitating worry. I would find myself crying at random times in the middle of the day over completely irrational fears.

I see that now. They didn't feel irrational at the time. Fears of being, of her being taken, being harmed, suddenly developing a deadly illness, totally enveloped. That feeling just totally enveloped me at times. It just completely consumed my thinking. I was scared for people outside of my family to hold her. I was scared to leave her.

I was scared to leave with her. scared to put her in the car and go somewhere. And I didn't realize that at the time, but I probably had some level of diagnosable postpartum anxiety. And now, thankfully, it was only anxiety, only worry and fear that was my symptom. And it only lasted for a few weeks as my hormones kind of stabilized. And then it dissipated. And I'm very thankful to the Lord for that. I mean, hormones and the pain of recovering from childbirth, the overwhelm of being a new mom. It's just, it's a lot. to handle. And sometimes you really don't know how affected you are until that cloud of worry fades and you're able to think clearly again. And so I really only realized retrospectively that I had

been in a bad place in those few weeks after I delivered my first baby. I know other people's postpartum experiences have been a lot worse than that, bouts of really deep depression, even psychotic episodes that have completely debilitated them at what should. have been the sweetest time and their lives, true trauma that has had to be overcome by moms after child's birth. And so many of us know women, and maybe you're one of those women who have been somewhere on the spectrum of struggle, from a little bit of struggle to a whole lot of struggle post-delivery. So when we, when you and I, when moms hear the case of someone like Lindsay Clancy, our ears perk up. We're interested in all of the different aspects of this, because

this is a mom, a mom of three like us, and parts of her story were like, I've seen that before. I understand that particular feeling. If you don't know, Clancy is a Massachusetts mom. She is on trial for the murder of her three children, the youngest of whom was just eight months old. So she was still in that season of postpartum. So when we hear that, that description, we have two instincts as moms that kick in. One, at least for me, I'll be honest, immediate disgust and anger, that anyone could hurt a child, any child, especially their own child. That is my first reaction. That how could someone do this?

I don't care what was going on. How could someone so ruthlessly hurt this helpless human being, this human being that is a part of you, okay? So that is my first reaction. And then there's another thought. And that is mom's understanding of how dark and how out of control for some women postpartum can be. Now, the evidence in this case is indisputable. She confessed to the crime. And yet, this is not an open and shut case. It's not a case of who done it. We know that.

There's no question of how. There's no question of where. She strangled her children in the basement of her home. The question is not even why. The motive here is actually irrelevant. The question is what? What forces compelled this once-doting wife and mother to brutally murder her children? And who, if anyone, had the power to stop her? A series of emergency room visits, constant phone calls to various doctors, voices in her head telling her to harm herself and her children, and a husband who was a witness to her plunge into darkness and even so left her alone with their children. Lindsay Clancy killed her children. We know. We know. that from her own confession, from the evidence that we see. But the defense argues that she was

suffering from postpartum psychosis. She was out of her mind and therefore she can't be held legally responsible for their murder, they say. The prosecution, however, says no. Clancy demonstrated planning, strategy, preparation, that a truly mentally incapacitated person could not have pulled off. So what's the truth? One could argue that all people who commit to the people who commit to the heinous acts of violence are at some level mentally unwell and deranged and overtaken by dark influences. Does that remove their responsibility and negate the possibility of justice for their victims? I would say no. Or in Clancy's case, was she also a victim rendered powerless by her own psychosis and the drugs that she was taking to mitigate these symptoms to the point

that it would be injustice to punish her? Well, we got to get into it. Let's say, look at the arguments for both the prosecution and the defense. Let's look at the details of this case. Some of the things that her husband has said and importantly, the psychiatric medications that she was on in the name of trying to heal her postpartum psychosis. And let's try to figure out what is actually true and what justice looks like in this case. Before we get there, let me go ahead and pause. I'll tell you about our first sponsor for the day before we dive into this. And that is Adele Natural Cosmetics. Y'all, I love Adele. I use their products every day. I kind of switch out which products I use at which time of day because I'm always moisturizing my skin,

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three children. Instead, the defense is arguing that the killings occurred while she was suffering from severe postpartum mental illness and specifically psychosis, rendering her not criminally responsible. And the defense's opening statements, Clancy's attorney, Kevin Redington, stated this. This is a young woman that with her husband tried very hard to get the help she needed. She couldn't sleep, took the Zoloft and was spun out of control, all because you're going to hear evidence because she was bipolar. So all because, as you're going to hear, I think he's trying to say evidence because she was bipolar. You don't give a bipolar person Zoloft to every one of these doctors and nurses knew that she was suffering from postpartum.

And now it is turning into psychosis. So not just the argument that she was suffering from psychosis and depression, but also that the medications that she was given, and maybe she herself did not realize, were actually inducing a more violent, more severe form of mental illness that the defense is arguing she really couldn't control and turned her into someone that they would say she is not. So the central question for the jury,

is whether she was legally responsible for her actions or whether she was suffering from postpartum psychosis that actually prevented her from forming criminal intent. Her husband is Patrick Clancy or was Patrick Clancy. They are now divorced. He testified that Lindsay had experienced intrusive thoughts about suicide and about harming her children that she had told him, SOTS. Did she also tell you at that time at the beginning of December that she was having to some other intrusive thoughts. Yeah. She said she had thoughts of harming in the kids. Is that correct? Yeah. And did she tell you whether or not she had specific thoughts of how she would harm the kids? No. And she didn't describe that as hearing this external voice telling her to harm the kids, correct?

Correct. Lindsay Clancy gave birth to her third child, Callan, May 24th, 2022. So to get the timeline, when you hear the attorney asking Patrick, did she tell you in December of these intrusive thoughts, she is referring to December of 2022. That would have been right before she killed her children. Over the following months, she began experiencing worsening anxiety, insomnia, depression, approximately five months postpartum, it's reported. She sought psychiatric treatment as her symptoms intensified. She made multiple ER visits, according to the Boston, who was reported on this case, contacted crisis hotline, sought hospital care multiple times over these postpartum months. In late December 2020, she was admitted to McLean Hospital for approximately

two weeks of inpatient psychiatric treatment and was discharged on January 5th, 2023. Just 19 days after her discharge. On January 24th, 2023, prosecutors alleged she killed her children before attempting suicide. So Patrick testified that after her discharge from the psychiatric hospital, she appeared to be improving and behaved normally. He said, I was hopeful. He seemed, or she seemed much better. Patrick also testified that Lindsay gave no inclination that she would harm their children. I guess he's referring to after that point after her psychiatric stay, sought seven. Did anyone ever tell you not to leave your kids alone with Lindsay? No. In January of 2020, 2004, did Lindsay ever tell you that she wanted to harm your children?

Did she ever tell you she was going to kill your children? Yeah. And what did she say about what she went through? She said she heard a man's voice telling her that if she didn't do it now, she would lose her chance or something like that. And did she also tell you that she had had a moment of psychosis? I don't recall. Okay, so there's a little bit of confusion there. I at least have some questions. On the one hand,

he says that Lindsay never said that she wanted to kill her children, but he also says that there was a man in her head, a voice in her head saying, if you don't do it, now you'll miss your chance. What is it? And it's a little unclear to me whether he is referring to, in that clip, whether he's referring to before her stay at the hospital, psychiatric hospital, or after her stay. It must have been from how he answered things maybe in December of 2022 before the psychiatric stay, since he did say that afterwards she never said anything about harming the kids and she seemed to be doing better or there's just some confusion in the testimony. While on January 24th, 2023, according to Patrick Lancy, Lindsay asked him to

leave the house to pick up, take out food and medicine for one of their children. Patrick was gone. Prosecutors argued that Lindsay intentionally killed the couple's three children, a five-year-old girl, a three-year-old boy, and then another little boy aged eight months. And just a trigger warning for the details here, she went into the basement, took her children to the basement, and strangled them using exercise bands that they had there. And prosecution, of course, paints this picture that this was something that she planned out. Obviously, she had planned the timing of it. She knew that her husband wasn't going to be there because she had asked him to leave and picked the weapon, picked the method of killing her children, did this methodically,

and did this purposely. That's how their argument goes. Now, after killing the children, Lindsay allegedly attempted suicide using multiple methods. as evidenced by her injuries. She says that she jumped from the second story window. She had cut marks on her wrists and neck. And she is now paralyzed from the waist down because of that suicide attempt. And when Patrick returned home, he found Lindsay badly injured, but conscious outside. And when he found her, she told him that the children were in the basement.

He then discovered their bodies, found them there, called 911, telling the dispatcher she killed the kids. And reportedly, this was one of the most difficult parts of the trial. We don't have access to that 911 call. It's not publicly available. But from the journalists who have reported on that, that was just a gut-wrenching moment. For those that were in the courtroom, especially the family, but also the jury. Let's talk a little bit more about Patrick Clancy because I've seen a lot of questions about him and about, okay, how is it possible that he saw all of this happening, all of this unfold, her psychiatric stay, saying that she had voices in her head, saying explicitly just a month or so before this that she felt like she wanted to harm the children. and how is it possible that he saw all of this firsthand and then still left his children alone with

Lindsay? And I don't have the answer to that. I don't think anyone has the answer to that, but because there is so much chatter and so much conversation about that online, I think it's just worth looking into some of his testimony and looking into some of those curiosities. So he has been a central witness in the criminal trial, in defense. of Lindsay, I should say. In January of 2023 on an online fundraiser for medical bills, funeral services, and legal help, Patrick wrote that he had forgiven Lindsay. He said this, I want to ask all of you that you find a deep within yourselves to forgive Lindsay as I have. The real Lindsay was generously loving and caring towards everyone, me, our kids, family friends,

and her patients because she was an L and D nurse. The very fibers of her soul are loving. All I wish for her now is that she can some have. how find peace. He did an interview with the New Yorker in 2024 where he said, I wasn't married to a monster. I was married to someone who got sick. The New Yorker interview also noted that he did not contact Lindsay after the killings at all. So he just left. He says that this was a personal decision. He wasn't legally prohibited from separating from her, but he got away from her during this time after the killings. I mean, I can't only imagine how traumatizing it was for him to find the the dead bodies of his children in the basement. So I don't have any commentary on his

separation from her during this time. He divorced Lindsay and then he remarried. In July of 26, shortly before the trial, during the court hearings, he has described Lindsay as a loving, attentive mother before her mental health deteriorated after the birth of their youngest. He says she was very dedicated. She did everything. She started reading the books at them books at three months. She made up songs for them. According to Patrick, their marriage was good. In interviews with police shortly after the murders, he stated that he and Lindsay had an amazing marriage, got along great. They tell each other that they love each other multiple times a day. That said, according to Lindsay's diary, they had been growing apart during her psychological problems, also something that sometimes

happens in postpartum. Glancy wrote that she felt horribly guilty about her marriage, stating I want to connect with Pat again. I know he needs it. I need it. According to Patrick's testimony in the trial, he was aware of her medical treatment and monitored her condition. Patrick testified that after her hospitalization, he would check in with her every morning. I would ask her in the morning how she's feeling how she slept. He also helped her obtain emergency psychiatric care. We said that she did all those ER visits. He helped her go to the ER. According to his testimony, Lindsay was reluctant to be admitted to inpatient treatment after two emergency department visits, according to CT Insider, on January 1st, I assume that's 2023.

She was scared and didn't want to go to inpatient treatment, but after two trips to the emergency department, I told her she had to go. He was aware of her existence extensive medication regimen. Patrick testified that she was receiving prescriptions from multiple providers and explained to jurors why many pill bottles were partially full because dosages were frequently changed. Now, reportedly, these were mostly. multiple providers that were not always in communication with each other. These were various experts. These were different doctors who were prescribing all kinds of psychotic medications

or medications to try to treat things like depression and anxiety who were not always communicating. Now, it is a little bit difficult for me to understand how that's possible. I do know how hard it is to be a patient, especially a patient. If you're like her and you're really suffering, you're already not mentally well. The doctors don't interact. They don't call each other. They don't make it easy. It's the patient's job to kind of advocate for herself,

but they always ask, what other medications are you on? And they are supposed to know this interacts with that, or you need to get off of that to do that. And there should be some communication, especially in a dire situation like this. I don't know the answer for why that was not happening. I don't know the answer for why her husband didn't say,

hey, hey doc, okay, she's already on these medications. Is that okay, or maybe he did? And for the doctors, it was a dereliction of duty. We'll get into all of the medications that she was taking in their interactions and their possible symptoms in just a second. So let's get a little bit more into the prosecutions, the prosecutions argument. What we're seeing mostly is, look, this was a woman who suffered from psychosis. She had all of these different issues. Some people say her husband failed her. Some people say the doctors failed her, but the prosecution, they assert she knew what she was doing and she made a choice. And justice is prison. So we're going to take a look at those medications. What was she on? Who prescribed them to her? What were the interactions that could have caused a

psychological firestorm in her brain that may have compelled her if the defense's argument is to be held up and is to be believed to commit this murderous act against her children. And so we'll get into that as well as some of the postpartum recovery that she had to go through in just a second. First, let me tell you about a new sponsor that I love because we have been using this product in our home and it is amazing. And that is Cove Pure. This is a reverse osmosis water filtration system that sits on your countertop. It's really sleek. It looks really nice. It comes in a bunch of different colors. We've had a lot of different filtration systems in our home. We've had the kind that, you know, goes through your sink that's making sure that every bit of water that you have,

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testimony, Lindsay's first two deliveries were actually the most difficult, so not the one. He didn't specifically say how the babies were delivered, but the details seemed to be consistent, not with a C-section, with a vaginal birth. Of course, it's not just C-sections that can be traumatic. All different kinds of births can be traumatic. So it sounds like they were tough. With Cora's delivery in 2017, he said there was a lot of tearing and Lindsay bled a lot. Lindsay only had 10 to 11 weeks of maternity leave, he said, which was, which she was really anxious about. She just really struggled with the date of going back to work. And that in itself is tragic. I've had both kinds of birth. Both kinds of births come with their difficulties, come with their physical pain

and physical recovery. And that really affects your mind. It just affects your mindset. And it was actually recovering from my C-sections and recovering from birth that gave me so much sympathy for those who deal with chronic physical pain because it really affects. just how you see the world and just your willingness to go about your day, the energy level you have, even if it's not specifically correlated to those things, it really just affects your mentality. And just like a small example of that. Okay, so you're in a lot of pain when you're in labor. If you've ever been in pain and then you get an epidural, you are a new person. Okay, so you go for seven centimeters or however long, that's how long it was for me. And I was like in the zone. Okay. I am so mentally focused and I'm in so much pain breathing through those contractions. And you just like, you are so consumed with that. It's all that you can think about really is your pain and getting through that. You get an epidural. You're cracking jokes. You're like, you're a totally new person because the pain is gone. I think people discount how much physical pain can have an effect on your mental.

health. I don't know if that's what was going on with Lindsay Clancy here. I just want people to understand, like, postpartum is a lot. It's a lot, especially your first birth. And then the 2019 delivery, he says, was pretty traumatic. He was in a breach position. It caused significant bruising and tearing, adding that this recovery was even more difficult than the first. He said her mental state was fine until she had to go back to work. She received 18 weeks of leave that time. So there's just a lot going on emotionally and physically in her life. According to Patrick, Callen's 22 birth was actually relatively quick. There wasn't as much physical trauma, which is interesting.

Did it compound over time? Maybe I don't even know. Maybe it had zero effect. The first two births, maybe they had zero effect whatsoever on her mental state after 22, after she gave birth. I'm not trying to make the case that there should be excuses at all. but we can just be able to say independently, those first two births probably had a big effect on her mental health. We don't know if that had any kind of causal effect in what happened

after that, especially since Callan's birth, her third baby's birth seemed to be easier than the other two. But she certainly was no stranger to difficulty when it came to those postpartum, that postpartum trauma that she had to work through in the anxieties. Now, in light, of all of that. She was on medications. She was on medication specifically for depression and anxiety, whether or not she had been on pain medication previously for the tearing. I'm not sure. I don't really know pre-2020 what led to all of these, all of these medications being prescribed. But what we know for sure is that at the time of her children's murder, she had been prescribed 13 different drugs. Clancy received prescriptions for these 13 drugs from six different health care practitioners.

We had two doctors, one registered nurse, one nurse practitioner, and then another doctor. So three different doctors and two nurse practitioners. So here are the 13 drugs. And I'm going to try my best to pronounce these correctly. there's amoeotrytrilyne. This is an SSRI. SSRI stands for selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor. So it is supposed to boost the hormone serotonin in your brain to make you more emotionally even keel, as we'll get into. The problem with that is that the science doesn't actually prove that when someone is struggling with anxiety or depression, that it's a serotonin

problem. And there's no test that we do to see whether or not someone's serotonin. serotonin level is too low or too high, but that's the theory that these SSRIs are supposed to help someone be more emotionally even keel. So that's one that she was on. Bucyperone is used to treat anxiety. This is another drug. It's not an SSRI, but it's also supposed to affect serotonin and dopamine. Now, the relevant side effects of amitryptylene is suicide or self-harm, worsening mood feelings of depression. Okay. The relevant side effect abuse, Cyperone, anxiety nervousness.

So these, this SSRI and this other so-called anti-anxiety medication, it affects serotonin and one of the side effects could actually be worsening anxiety and worsening suicidal thoughts. She was also on clinazepam. This is, okay, so many big chemical words, a benzodiazepine, which is a central nervous system depressant. it's prescribed to treat seizures, panic disorder. It's like Xanax or Valium. And they're supposed to slow down activity in your brain. Now, relevant side effect to something like Xanax or

Valium is a thought of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. And then you have diazepum. She was also on this. This is also in that same category like Xanax or Valium. It's prescribed to treat anxiety and seizures, relevant. side effects, thoughts of suicide, self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. Another thing about this particular drug is that it can interact with amatryptylene, which she was also taking, causing altered consciousness and confusion. Okay. And then we have, this is Prozac.

This is the category name is fluozateen. Fluosateen, goodness, so many of these words. This is also an SSRI prescribed to treat depression. OCD, eating disorders, relevant side effects here. This is all according to the Cleveland Clinic, thoughts of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression, hydroxazine. This is an antihistamine prescribed to treat allergies and anxiety, relevant side effects, drowsiness, hallucinations, confusion. She was also on lomictal and anti-epileptic and mood stabilizer prescribed to treat bipolar disorder. Relevant side effects, thoughts of suicide.

and self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. You have lorazepam. This is also in the same category as something like Xanax or Valium prescribed to treat anxiety, relevant side effects, thoughts of suicide and self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. Warnings, this particular drug may amplify the effects of amatryptylene, which again, Clancy was prescribed and other drugs in this category like Clonopin. You've probably heard of that as well. Another drug she was on was metazapine. And this is prescribed to treat depression. It can also interact with something like Xanax or Valium, relevant side effects,

thoughts of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. She was on quatapine and antipsychotic prescribed for schizophrenia or supposedly antipsychotic. I don't even like using these things because they're not really anti any of that. They're just changing your serotonin levels. prescribed for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, it interacts, again, with things like Prozac, which she was on, relevant side effects, thoughts of suicide and self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. She was also on another SSRI called Zoloft, prescribed to treat depression that can lead to thoughts of suicide, self-harm, worsening mood.

Trasidone is an S-A-R-I serotonin antagonist in re-uptake inhibitor. it's also supposed to increase serotonin, but in a different way. It's prescribed to treat insomnia, schizophrenia. What can it cause? Thoughts of suicide and self-harm. Worsening moods, feeling of depression. Depression. Also on Ambien, a sedative prescribed to treat insomnia, relevant side effects, mood and behavior changes, anxiety, nervousness, confusion, hallucinations, irritability, hostility, thoughts of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. So apparently, reportedly, she was on all of these drugs at the same time, six different providers. And her husband, again, has said, like, what's the deal? Why was she on all of these at the same time? We didn't know

they interacted. I just think that there should have been on someone's part here. More intervention. More questions asked. More like, hey, she's getting worse and worse and worse. She's hearing voices. We got to stop. We got to stop. We got to figure out what exactly is going on. on here. While I do understand how difficult it is to be a patient, it's hard for me to understand how all of this went on for so long and how it seems like none of these providers spoke up and said, okay, let me take a look at this. This is not, this is not right. Last year, we interviewed a doctor, Dr. Joseph Whit Doreen. He's a board certified psychiatrist. He also worked as a medical officer at the FDA's Division of Psychiatry products. And he argued that one of the

the problems with all of these drugs, all of these so-called antidepressants, SSRIs, is that studies show the premise, studies show that the premise they are based on is actually unsupported by evidence. There was a major 2022 review and molecular psychiatry that found no solid evidence that people with depression have lower serotonin levels. And this doctor that I had on my show points out that there is still no blood test. There's no brain scan that can objectively diagnose depression. it is a symptom checklist. And so you are giving someone a medication that changes their serotonin. You have no idea if serotonin is the problem.

And so if you are putting someone on something that is affecting their serotonin, which is an important hormone in mood regulation, but that was never the problem in the first place. You're just giving them the side effects. You're just giving them the cons and none of the pros from emotional regulation. Now I know what people say. I was on an SSRI. It saved my life.

It is possible that a mood regulator or a medication that basically blunts your emotional response to things and shortens the spectrum of emotions that you can feel, it is possible that that can bring someone back from the brink of dark depression. It doesn't make them happy. It doesn't treat their depression. It doesn't ever get to the underlying cause. But it is possible that an SSRI can have that effect. But it can also have all of these other effects, especially if the root cause is never addressed.

17% of Americans are now on psychiatric medication. Millions unknowingly are at risk of drug-induced brain damage while being told that their drugs are safe. According to this doctor, Whittoring, patients who stop psychiatric drugs even gradually can suffer protracted withdrawal that feels like permanent brain damage. And so that's one of the things that typically they are not told when they, are put on these medications, it can cause neurotoxicity. It can also trigger a condition called a tardive, tardive dysphoria that includes apathy, dissociation, chronic fatigue,

agitation. He notes that multiple people have taken their life because the symptoms from this can be so extreme, it can drive people to suicide. Zoloft, very popular. Women are two and a half times more likely to be taking an SSRI like Zoloft than men, especially women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. So what we are seeing in this case with Lindsay Clancy is clearly that it wasn't just the psychosis, but it was also this cocktail of medications that clearly had an effect on her mental state. Again, that's not even making a judgment about whether or not she should be legally liable for the death of her children. That's just stating what is most likely to be true, that at the very least, these medications weren't helping. We also last year had another doctor on Dr. Adam Yerato.

He warned of the many dangers of being prescribed SSRI specifically during pregnancy, but it also applies to that postpartum period. He is a maternal fetal medicine specialist. He is the chief of maternal fetal medicine at Metro West Medical Center. He has called for stronger FDA warnings for SSRIs, especially for pregnant mothers. He said patients regularly tell me that essentially the only counseling they received is that SSRIs don't affect the baby. They don't cause complications. They don't affect the breast milk. He says, that's not accurate. SSRIs can be very difficult to get off of. So the time to think about these things is long before pregnancy. He has highlighted how SSRIs are actually pushed on mothers, both before pregnancy, during pregnancy, and after,

even though they can alter things like your own brain function, but also fetal brain development. Prenatal exposure can lead to all kinds of things for the baby. And of course, postpartum, it can make you feel even worse. And so all of this plays into the defense's argument that says that, look, this was beyond her control. someone dropped the ball here. It wasn't her. She was trying to get the help that she wanted. That's what they're arguing. And she just couldn't. This was beyond what she could handle. So here is the defense. Kevin Reddington making his case, saw one. More medications, spiraling, continuing on, down. Pat lived this, and he will testify to what they went through. At this point, at the end of

November around Thanksgiving, she's reporting disassociation and confusion. They put her on her marmar on. This is around Thanksgiving. Things were so bad at this point that her mother and father came up from Connecticut and live with them to take care of the kids to help because she was walking around absolutely a zombie. This is a woman that did not get medication, did not get the medical treatment that she so deserved. This is a woman that was suffering from psychosis at the time that she went down to that basement. So that's one side of this story. That clearly, I would say that she was, it was a disservice to Lindsay. All of these people in her life who weren't willing to speak up against the doctors, apparently, and say, some,

something is really wrong. She needs to get off these medications. Now, she did go to the psychiatric hospital. Maybe that was the attempt. Maybe that was the attempt there. But long before that, what was going on with these providers and all of these people who were around her who didn't stop to think, like she's on all of these medications, maybe this is making it worse. And that is, sadly, our responsibility today. You have to speak up for yourself. In this case, she probably wasn't able to. You have to speak up for the people. your life. We can't have the white coat syndrome where we are intimidated by the experts anymore who say trust the science. You cannot do that. COVID proved to us that you can't just trust the

science blindly. You can't trust the FDA. You can't trust the CDC. You can't trust your doctor just because they have a few extra letters behind their name. You have to be willing to do your own research and people make fun of that phrase. But what else are you supposed to do? Because this is what happens when you only listen to your doctor. And by the way, this is what happens when you get the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth opinion, and you still end up with a cocktail of drugs like this that probably induced some kind of psychosis. So we're going to have to take it upon ourselves at some point to make sure that what we are being prescribed is actually good for us and not only listen to the people who claim to be experts. I'm thankful for the expertise of doctors.

I really am. I am not anti-medicine, but clearly it's not enough. Not enough. Now we've got all of this, but then the prosecution still has an argument. The prosecution says they are seeking justice, and that all of this does not amount to her not being legally liable for the death of her children. So we'll get into that in a second. Let me tell you about good ranchers. We love good ranchers in our home. It's all American meat sent right to your front door on dry ice, and we've been eating good ranchers for five years now. We've got there better than organic chicken. They've got gluten-free seed oil-free chicken nuggets, which your kids will absolutely love. They actually taste like really, really good.

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Okay. The prosecution says, all right. You know, you have, you have your point. And this is Ali paraphrasing here about everything that went on. She, I don't think the prosecution is disputing that maybe she went through some hard times or maybe she had all of these drugs in her

system that were not helping. However, they argue that the pattern of her behavior demonstrates intentionality and purpose and that she knew she had enough clarity of mind to know what she was doing. The prosecution argues that the killings were planned, that they were deliberate. They were actually not the product of a psychotic break. they state that her actions showed deliberate premeditation, extreme atrocity, or cruelty. And they claimed that she had awareness of what she was doing. There is the argument of prosecutor Jennifer Sprague. She points out that Lindsay waited until Patrick left the house.

Actually, before that, told him to leave the house. So she had pre-planned even before Patrick had left the house, had him run to errands, the takeout and the medication. use that window of time to kill the children one by one and then attempted suicide. They argue that these actions show organization and purpose rather than an inability to appreciate reality at all. NBC legal analyst Michael Coyne said the prosecution will also likely argue that her behavior after the killings demonstrates consciousness of guilt so that she tried to take her own life, which they will argue, shows, you know, what she did. many people experience severe mental illness without losing criminal responsibility. The

prosecution will argue the prosecution's argument does not hinge on whether she was sick or not, but rather whether she meets the legal standard for lack of criminal responsibility. According to court TV, the prosecution opened up the trial that day by having medical witnesses, doctor witnesses talk about the awful injury. of her children. They focus on Dr. Michael Snyder, who treated Cora. That was her five-year-old. And again, trigger warning for this said the young girl was blue. She had bruising on her neck. She had blood coming out of her nose. They tried to revive this little girl for 30 minutes. But emergency room doctors pronounced Cora dead again after she had been strangled in front of her

siblings supposedly, I don't know who died first with these exercise bans. Medics flew Callan. This is the baby, the eight-month-old baby to Boston Children's Hospital's emergency room after doctors were initially able to get his heart beating again. He was cold on arrival. He was limp. He was not making any purposeful movements on his own. His pupils were fixed and dilated, and he had ligature marks around his neck with some swelling

of the neck. A doctor said that Callan's brain had. swelled to the point that it overwhelmed the capacity of the skull was herniating through its base. The infant's heart began to beat on its own. But he was never able to recover. They removed him from life support days later. Doctors and nurses who treated Clancy said that she was unresponsive when she arrived to the hospital, but she was breathing on her own. And they intubated her. They had, she had to have a blood transfusion. I don't see in this report what it was like treating the middle child who was three years old. But what the prosecution is trying to show here is that

these injuries, they believe, are consistent with someone who had a plan and who didn't just lose control suddenly and beat them to death or do something rash. But she had a weapon. She knew what she was going to do. And she did it. And this was again, months after she had had psychiatric, actual psychiatric treatment in months after she had originally said that she was going to, or a month rather, to harm the children. Prosecutors have filed a list with the court of 182 potential witnesses. The defense's potential witness list contains 65 names, including Patrick, his parents, Lindsay's parents, some of their friends and associates.

Other than Patrick, the rest have not testified yet. CVS pharmacy worker who testified that she had a normal interaction with Lindsay Clancy hours before the children's death was called by the prosecution again to show she wasn't in some psychiatric breakdown. Also called by the prosecution was a hostess from the restaurant where the Clancy's ordered dinner on the evening of the children's deaths. She said it was a totally normal interaction. So they will show, look, if she has the ability to compartmentalize her mental health problems, she had the ability to not murder her kids. Several first responders, police officers, firefighters, paramedics were all called by the prosecution just to show how horrific

these injuries were. And in their opinion, purposeful emergency physicians who treated the children, as we just cited, and the providers involved with Lindsay Clancy's care after her injuries, who as we just read said that she was unresponsive, but then that she was very calm and was actually able to chronicle everything that happened. So my opinion, It's not cut and dry. It's not cut and dry. I think that the combination of psychosis medications that she was on so-called antidepressants clearly had an effect on her mental health. I don't think that that is disputed. I think she had some kind of very deep mental issue. I think a lot of people in Lindsay's life failed her. I will say that. I cannot say 100% that that is the

cause primary, secondary, tertiary cause of her killing her children? I don't know. I don't know that. And even if it is a tertiary, say, cause of her killing her children, does that mean that she shouldn't go to prison? Does that mean that she should not get the punishment that other murders get? As the prosecution argues, there are a lot of people who are on a lot of different awful medications who go through a lot of awful things who don't murder their children with exercise bans. There are a lot of people who are murderous, who have some kind of mental health issue

that was probably a cause of what they did who we still expect to go to prison. At the same time, if she was completely out of her mind, completely powerless, completely taken over by these medications, I don't know whether or not it's fair to hold her completely liable

for this. Now, the possible outcomes here is, one of the outcomes is not that she walks free. She can't walk at all because she is also partly paralyzed. But it's not that she's going to go free and live free. If the jury convicts Lindsay Clancy of murder, she faces life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. If the jury finds that she lacked criminal responsibility because of mental illness, she would be found not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility and committed to a state psychiatric hospital rather than in prison with no maximum mandate. Subject to annual evaluation, she could be committed for life, but she could also be released. She's not going to be released right away no matter what, but she could be released.

I just want us to have a fair assessment of this. I think that both sides have their case to make, and I do want to remember that the primary victims, no matter where you land on this, the primary victims are the kids, okay? The primary victims. here are the children who were ruthlessly murdered. Whether or not their mother was in the right mind and should be held criminally liable, that will be decided by the jury. But I don't want all of our focus to go to this woman. We can have compassion for her, but the primary recipients of our compassion should be these children who for sure did nothing wrong in this. And this is a tragedy. And whether or not this is the driver of what she did, there is a lot to assess.

in the medical and mental health industry. That is actually inducing forms of psychosis and are making people in so many cases worse. It is worth assessing every single drug that you are on that has any effect on your mind at all. Christians need to be a lot more serious about that. It's not demonizing all medicine, certainly not demonizing all doctors.

The two people that I listed as experts who are against these SSRIs are doctors. I think that medicine is very important. Expertise is very important. But again, take control of your own health. You and your husband on the same page, don't be afraid to stick up for yourself. And if you do need help, if you need help, if you are feeling like you are on the verge of harm or anything like that, if you are hearing voices, you need help right now. You need people in your life, people in your church, people in your family, don't worry about being embarrassed. You need help right now. And husbands or wives, if either of you hear the other one saying, hey, I need help, you take it dead seriously. And you do

not leave your children alone with someone who says that they are struggling in this way. That is not a judgment on them, on them morally, but it is to say that you care about the safety of your children. I think it's safe to say, and I'm sure he feels this way too, that Patrick Clancy shouldn't have left his kids alone with his wife. That is true. There's a lot that happened here that should not have happened that I think could have been prevented. What an awful, awful tragedy. So let me know what you think.

There are a lot of different aspects of this. Let me know in the comments, in the messages, what you think about this. We will see as the trial continues to unfold, what the jury decides. and as more witnesses come to the table, I'm sure that will help shape what we think about Lindsay and her responsibility here. Let me tell you about our next sponsor, crowd health. You know, I have seen the health insurance industry. We're talking about pharmaceuticals while the health insurance industry is also corrupt

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around the glorification of mental disorders is really playing a big part in all of this, is playing a big part of glorifying SSRIs even when they are not necessary. And using a mental health disorder, I wouldn't even call this what we're about to watch necessarily mental health disorder, but some kind of diagnosis as an intersectionality identity point to make you seem more oppressed and therefore more interesting than you are. So this video, went viral on X. I think it was originally on TikTok. This woman, she looks to be an adolescent, I don't know, maybe 20s, having an autism reveal party where she cuts a cake to see if she has autism or ADHD. That's out three. Okay. I just find that extremely odd. I've worked with a lot

of people and kids and adults with special needs, kids on all different levels of the autism spectrum. these are really wonderful and interesting human beings that should be treated as people of full value, full worth, with respect, image bearers of God. It is also not this. It's also not this. This person, anyone who has been around someone, especially an adult with autism, with actual diagnosed autism, who has a difficult time in social settings, who gets easily overstimulated, easily nervous with loud sounds, with lots of people yelling at them and yelling in their faces, has a really difficult time. In many cases, I know it's not all one. There are various diagnoses here, difficult time in social settings. You can look at this and be like, this is not that.

This is not that. I have been all around, all different levels of autism. And this is not that. So when you have people who are just your normal everyday people who maybe feel a little bit awkward or like, I don't know, they can't make eye contact with someone because they weren't raised to make eye contact with someone who believe that they are autistic. And by the way, many of these assessments are self-assessments, by the way, celebrating in a room with all of their many, many friends, you just have to wonder what's going on here. Why are people looking for attention in this way? It's not. It's not. a one-off this kind of weird video for context between 2011-2020,

autism diagnoses among U.S. adults rose or between 26 to 34 ages increased by approximately 450 percent. Okay. By the way, you don't develop autism. You are born with autism. You can even see signs of kids who are truly autistic when they are baby babies. And you might not realize it until maybe you have another child and you compare the two and you're like, oh, that's why, like, they had that reaction to the vacuum. Like, that's why they had

that fixation. Okay, that starts to make sense. Again, it's not all of the same, but there's not like rapid onset autism or ADHD or things like that. I think that all different kinds of social awkwardness can develop when you are not put in the proper social settings and when you're put in front of a screen all day, that does not mean that you are autistic. And again, I think that this is something that is odd to have like a reveal party for. Researchers know that part of the increase reflects broader diagnostic criteria, greater recognition. That is true, but it also seems like this is partly a social contagion. A Washington Post analysis of nearly 900 US TikTok users found that TikTok's algorithm promotes mental health content more aggressively than any other

topics. And you might say, well, yeah, mental health, that's a good thing. No, no, no. It's not always saying, hey, you should get better. It's here's your list of medications. Here's your list of diagnoses. Let me, this random TikToker, diagnose you. There are also, hashtag super popular antidepressants has accumulated over 1.3 billion views on TikTok. Hashtag Lexa Pro, the popularity of that hashtag, according to the Wall Street Journal, tripled between 2022 and 2025. You've also heard of clinical psychologists talking about patients coming in that say that they have Tourettes, that say that they have different illnesses or different ticks that they have because they actually learned them on TikTok, not because they developed them, which I really think is trivializing a sickness

that some people truly have that they are suffering from, again, in order just to get attention. So we have this over-medicalized world, and in some cases, the over-medication and the over-medication and the overdiagnosis is actually being glamorized. It is now a vessel through which you can get attention and sympathy. And, you know, I think it all started back, you know, in the millennial day, MySpace, Facebook, where everything became so personalized. Even the away messages on AIM. Everything became about how unique you were.

Like, what could you say that perfectly represents the uniqueness of who you are? What Disney Princess are you? What Lizzie McGuire character are you? You have these dolls that are supposed to look exactly like you that you can buy. And individually, none of these things may be bad or unhealthy. But when they accumulate in someone's life, you start to get the idea that I am special, that I am the most important. You start to get main character syndrome.

And when you start to lose attention, when you start to lose uniqueness, especially if you are like a straight white person today, well, then you got to find another way to get that attention. And you got to find another way to be special and to be, and to be different. Is that the case in all of these diagnoses that have increased over the years? No, but I certainly think there's a social contagion that is being induced by videos like this. Who doesn't like rainbows and cakes and to be cheered on? And if you find a way to do that by taking Lexapro, or being diagnosed with the ADHD, why not do it? Again, when basically you have to become your own advocate and your own doctor because doctors in some cases don't take the professional role

seriously, this is what we get. And it's a problem. And that is why Maha took root. That's part of why. And that is why just in general, people have to take more seriously actual health, which is being integrated spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Because this body, this mind, the soul that God has given us are all ours to steward. Sometimes that means medication. Sometimes that means an actual diagnosis. Other times it means being confident in who we are in Christ, being confident in the resources that he has given us in order to optimize our health in all of these different areas. The world needs Jesus. That is for sure. All right. We're almost done. Let me tell you about our last sponsor. It is Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile is

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because a lot of people are getting, they're not even just a, but even getting their like lack of success diagnoses, like why aren't you further along in life diagnoses from Instagram and TikTok? And one of the reasons that pop psychologists on social media tell us that we're not doing as well as we could or that we're not as happy as we could is something called imposter syndrome. Some people say you have imposter syndrome. And I hear this a lot. And I've thought about this and I can relate to it. You walk into a room. you are totally qualified to be there, but you feel like you're not. You have this nagging suspicion that you shouldn't be there. But I've noticed that people use that term about any feeling of

mediocrity that you might have when, in fact, it could just be that you were actually mediocre in that situation because we've all been there. Not every feeling of insecurity is imposter syndrome. I just want to say that. Not every feeling that you are inadequate or that you are incompetent or that you don't belong is imposter syndrome. You might have those nagging feelings because in this situation, you are inadequate and that you don't belong. We have all been there, by the way. I promise, if you are 22 years old, you have no experience, you are walking into a job

and you're like, I got a lot to learn. I don't have what it takes yet. That's not an imposter syndrome. That's you hearing something that is true in your brain that you don't have what it takes yet. That doesn't mean that you'll never have when it takes. That means that you need to work harder. because I think that when we listen to all these pop psychologists, you can tell that I think so much

of psychology and psychiatry has just gone awry in kind of little ways like this and then in big ways that we talked about in the beginning. When you dispel or minimize all of your feelings of insecurity as imposter syndrome, then you forego opportunities to grow so that you can one day be confident in what you bring to the table. Sometimes the problem is not a lack of self-esteem. That's what women hear over and over again, that it's all the problem of a lack of self-love, a lack of self-esteem. Sometimes you actually don't have what it takes. Sometimes you are actually less capable than you want to be or that you need to be.

Sometimes you feel insecure because you should be insecure at this particular moment. Are there also times that Satan, the accuser, tells you that you don't belong somewhere, tells you that you don't have what it takes when in fact you do? Yeah, of course, that's true. but it's worth assessing for a second if we are having those suspicions because they're actually grounded in something real. I think actually when I look around, it's not a problem of imposter syndrome that the world has. It's a problem of like you don't have imposter realization. Maybe you have feelings of being an imposter because you're an imposter.

Like maybe that's the problem. Maybe you have too many impostors and people who think too highly of ourselves. The problem so rarely today is that we don't think highly enough of ourselves. So something to consider. I think a little self-honesty would all put us in a better place and make all of us a lot more fulfilled. All right. That's all I got to do today. That's all I got. I know it's a long full episode. Christians need to take over psychiatry and psychology. It's got problems. All right. We'll be back on Friday with an encouraging testimony from a D transitioner. See you guys then.