Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1383 | AOC Is Freezing Her Eggs — the Reality She Is Hiding from You

Starting point is 00:00:00 AOC harvesting her eggs to be frozen and publicly documenting this process. She's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. We can't have it all because only we can bear children. If you are under the delusion that you can do everything you want to do, you can pursue this non-stop 80 hour a week career and then you can get married at 38 and have kids at 42. You are lying to yourself. And AOC, if she is pushing that idea, she is lying to you. Hey, y'all, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. As you can see, we're in a little bit of a different setup because right after I record this, I will be recording my Friday episode with Vanessa Sivage. We are sitting down with her after her historic settlement. Remember, we had her on a couple of years ago. She was our Share the Arrow's Award winner in 2024, our first ever because she blew the whistle on Texas Children's, that huge hospital.

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Starting point is 00:03:00 So you've got a lot of people saying, just right off the bat, let me say that this is none of your business. you shouldn't be talking about this. You shouldn't be discussing this on the podcast. You shouldn't have commented about it on X. We'll talk about what I said on X and why people got so angry. But let me just say right up front that AOC is chronicling this on social media. Now, what are her motivations for that? We can guess. She says it's to just show women in their 30s who are career driven that this is an option to have children. I don't know. But when you post something for public consumption, you are allowing people to offer their opinions about that thing. And this is not a neutral topic. This fits right into the subjects that we discuss a lot,

Starting point is 00:03:45 which is fertility treatments, what it does to a woman's body, the ethical and moral risk of removing conception from sex and removing conception, certainly from marriage and all of the potential consequences of that. And so, yeah, we're going to talk about it. it. AOC, the politician, the fellow millennial that we have been talking about for years is publicly touting the benefits of egg harvesting in your mid-30s. We're going to talk about it. So if you don't know, she posted this video on her social media showing the injection process that is supposed to, you know, stimulate your eggs and so she can go through the process of harvesting them. and she said this in her video, saw one.

Starting point is 00:04:37 Deco and I, day one of freezing my eggs. I'm diving into the process, and now I've got, let's see, all of this medicine here. I'm going to inject this first, but I got a pro tip from a friend because this injection kind of stings, it kind of burns a little bit. So a friend of mine told me that if you make the first injection first and let it sit while you're making, while you're doing everything else, maybe it burns a little less, I don't know. Don't be weird about this, even though I know all of you won't be.

Starting point is 00:05:22 So just to explain exactly what she's doing, for those of you who don't know, this is the stage of the egg freezing process that requires two weeks, of daily hormone shots. So follicle stimulating drugs to make the sacks inside a woman's ovary that hold the egg grow. And then you also have the drug to keep the eggs from being released until a doctor can retrieve them. So that's what she's, that's what she's doing here. She has like this two-step process of injecting herself with hormones so that the eggs will be ready to be harvested and then she will go to her doctor's office and she'll be given either just medication to mitigate the pain. There's actually a whole New York Times podcast about this and how

Starting point is 00:06:12 painful this can be and how women sometimes are just not treated well in these situations. Sometimes they're put under completely and so they'll harvest the eggs and then they will be removed and they will be flash frozen and then they will remain frozen until AOC. decides that she, you know, maybe if she has a sperm donor, sperm seller, or maybe she finds someone that she wants to have children with and wants to give his sperm. And then she will likely go through the IVF process, which we've detailed many times on this show in order to create her child. Those embryos will be, or an embryo, could be transferred into her womb and she could have her own child, or she might, depending on when she wants to have children,

Starting point is 00:06:59 children, she could have a surrogate and she could try to create the embryos or transfer the embryos and grow the embryos, gestate them that way. It still could be she's 36 years old that she is able to have her own children naturally in the next several years, but it looks like she is kind of already betting that that's not going to happen and that she is planning to use IVF, possibly surrogacy in the future in order to have children. She shared that she has been thinking about freezing her eggs and saving money for the process for years. She wanted to share her journey because she believed she said that women generally are not

Starting point is 00:07:40 taught enough about their bodies. True. And need more examples of living full lives with every kind of choice. Okay, that's one way to think of it. She acknowledged there would be pushed back for being so public about her process, but she was willing to take that risk for the sake of empowerment. Okay, that's great. At least she knows there's going to be pushed back from people like me,

Starting point is 00:08:01 and she's willing to take that. So for all of you out there who say it's none of your business, you shouldn't talk about it. At least AOC is tough enough to know that if she's going to public commentary about it and it has consequences, not just for AOC, but for all of the women that she is advertising to. Because she is conveying a message. She's not just vlogging about her daily life.

Starting point is 00:08:21 She is conveying a message. She is making a case. She is saying that this is an acceptable way to live your life. This is how you can order your years, order your priorities, and this is what it looks like, a version of what it looks like, to live a full life, to defer marriage, to defer motherhood, to pursue other things, and then you could have this insurance policy of harvesting your eggs, and then you can still have everything that you want later on. Well, is that actually true?

Starting point is 00:08:50 Is that probable? Is that a healthy message to be conveying to young women? I don't think so. And that's why we're talking about it. We'll get into more about what AOC thinks about egg freezing and then actually some surprising developments about her own relationships and that reveal maybe why she's doing this politically, personally. We'll get into that in a second. Quick pause to tell you about two things. The first is share the arrows.

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Starting point is 00:11:28 matter how many times you've purchased before. Weheartnutrition.com code Alley. Okay, here is AOC talking more about how egg freezing equals to her empowerment sought to. This is a choice that I am making to feel more in control of my life. And if people want to make assumptions about my decision, let them make those assumptions. I feel empowered to make this choice. I think it's a very privileged position that I've been able to be able to make. Okay, empowered, in control. That's kind of the tell right there. She wants to be in control.

Starting point is 00:12:25 She doesn't want to put it up to chance. She doesn't want to trust God with this. She doesn't want to see how things shake out. She wants to take control. What do we always say? When technology takes us from what is natural to what is possible, we have to ask that is this moral. Is this ethical?

Starting point is 00:12:42 For Christians, is this biblical? Is this right? So often when we take a natural process into our own hands, not often, or not always, but so often there are other consequences to that that we at least have to consider. And that is one problem with how I see AOC presenting this as consequence less, as on the same moral level as getting married, having children naturally prioritizing motherhood. So this is how I responded to this on X that sent so many people on X into a dizzy. So here's what I said. I said, number one, she's been with the same guy for years.

Starting point is 00:13:18 She's been with the same guy reportedly since college, and they were engaged at one point. I said she's been with the same guy for years. There's no reason that she couldn't have had kids yet. Number two, she will now require, if she uses these frozen eggs to then create embryos, require IVF or surrogacy to have a baby, which will always come with ethical and health risks that the baby is forced to bear. Because, of course, that's true. And let me pause and just elucidate. that for a second. For those of you who are new, if you are using IVF, nine times out of 10, okay,

Starting point is 00:13:52 nine times out of 10, so I don't need to hear about the one exception that you represent out there. I understand there are exceptions. Nine times out of 10, that is going to require creating embryos, grading those embryos to see how healthy they are, and then discarding those embryos based on whether they have some chromosomal anomaly. That could equal something like Down syndrome. So you've got eugenics right from the start of the creation. of those embryos. And then so often women make more embryos than they would ever transfer. And so you've got multiple embryos, say, four embryos on ice because they weren't the gender that you wanted or they didn't make the cut. And you're left with this ethical issue of whether you freeze them indefinitely, you abandon them,

Starting point is 00:14:32 you adopt them out to strangers, or you destroy them or you dedicate them to science. And so these are living people, if we believe that a person is a person, no matter how small, that all people are made in God's image from the moment of conception onward, then we have to think long and hard about the consequences of IVF that is almost always the result of first freezing your ex. Okay. So that's what I'm talking about. When I'm talking about the ethical and health risks that are carried by these babies, it's disordered. We as adults make sacrifices on behalf of babies. We don't ask babies to make sacrifices on behalf of us. And so often embryos are required to sacrifice. themselves or their right to live and to be born for our wants and for our demands. And that is

Starting point is 00:15:21 wrong. Same with surrogacy. You are ripping that child away from the only home he or she has ever known at the point of birth. And you are planning to do that, unlike with adoption. And so that is also unethical. In all of these situations, we are asking these children to do hard things to fulfill our wants and that is wrong. Okay. So that is probably the path that she's going to go down. So we have just begun with this egg harvesting all of the, um, all of the potential ethical quandaries that she could find herself in. Okay. So that's my second point. It's mostly why I'm talking about this. And then number three, this is just true. It is very rare. Even via egg freezing and IVF that a woman is able to get pregnant after 40. Most of the embryos she creates will never see the light of day if AOC does indeed

Starting point is 00:16:11 go on to create embryos. Now, people who are mad about this. I understand the internet is a difficult place because we're reading fast. There's a lot going on. So I don't want to like condemn everyone. But it's also, I've just realized, most people cannot think in terms of statistically or in general or as a rule. They are always thinking about how they represent the exception and they have to negate the rule because of their one anecdote that proves the exception. This is not me saying that you should never get pregnant after 40 or it's impossible to get pregnant after 40 or that it's always wrong to get pregnant after 40. There are women who they either didn't find the right person, they get pregnant after 40 after they get married or there are women who couldn't

Starting point is 00:16:54 have a baby until after after 40 and they have a baby. There are all different kinds of reasons a woman might get pregnant after 40 and they can all be beautiful. But when you are when you are purposely deferring it, then you are choosing a much more difficult fertility path. That's just true. Biology is actually real. We have a window of time in which our fertility peaks, and then it goes way down. And people think that IVF and egg freezing, that that's a guarantee of pregnancy. It's not a guarantee of pregnancy. It is very, very difficult for you to be able to gestate that child after 40. Not impossible. but much more difficult. God made our bodies to function a certain way. And so you're going through

Starting point is 00:17:42 all of these hormones. You're going through all of this money. You're taking all of these ethical risks. And there is absolutely no guarantee. In fact, the percentage, the chance is very low of you actually being able to gestate and birth that child. Okay. Fourth point. Purposely deferring motherhood into your 40s. This is not talked about enough when we talk about when to have children, as long as it depends on you. I'm not talking about, you know, you can't help it. But purposely deferring motherhood into her 40s means removing the possibility of her kids knowing their grandparents and probably removing the possibility of her grandkids knowing her.

Starting point is 00:18:20 That is selfish. That is just not a repercussion that is discussed enough when we are talking about the average age of marriage going up so much over the decades and the average age of having your first child going up so much over the decades. Again, if it's out of your control, okay, it's out of your control. But purposely pursuing your career first and saying, I don't want to settle down until I'm 38 and then I don't want to have kids until I'm 40. That is selfish. It's not good for you.

Starting point is 00:18:50 It's likely not to end in an actual pregnancy. You're probably then going to pursue all of these dangerous methods, both for you and the baby. And then your parents don't get to be around for them. And you probably don't get to be around. for your grandkids. I don't think that we realize the value of the wisdom and the presence and the stability that is offered by grandparents. I just think we take that for granted. It used to be, of course, that you would know your grandparents, you would know your great

Starting point is 00:19:24 grandparents, maybe even beyond that for at least a few years. But now, I mean, our kids barely have any time with their grandparents at all because in some cases of the choices that we are making. And again, with all of this, we're never asking, well, what are the consequences for the kid? Like maybe it's not good for them to not grow up around grandparents. Maybe it's not good for them to only have the option of parents who have no energy to meet all of their needs. Again, I'm talking about the purposeful choice to defer motherhood into your 40s or fatherhood into your 40s. There are selfish reasons for that. Okay, number five, freezing your eggs is horrible for your health. It is horrible for your health. It's the same thing as like the

Starting point is 00:20:13 consequences of a man. It's not the same thing, but it's, we also talk about the consequences of this when a man is injecting estrogen into his body to try to present like a woman. Okay, you have a man's body. You have X, Y chromosomes. You're not supposed to have that much estrogen. Like, that's why if you did have that much estrogen. Doctors would look at your blood work and they would say something's wrong. We've got to fix that. But we're putting artificial estrogen into men so they can present as women. And we're like, oh, yeah, it's totally fine. And then we're doing the same thing to women who want to present as men. We're injecting testosterone. Again, if you were a woman who presented with that high amount of testosterone, doctors would sound the alarm and they would try to do something

Starting point is 00:20:50 to fix it. But we're purposely inducing that. And now we see it's bad for your health. It can deteriorate your genitalia. It is horrible for your internal hormones. It seems to be very bad for your mental health and that it increases aggression and thoughts of violence and depression and all of that. And so whenever we inject our body with artificial hormones, whether it's through hormonal birth control or whether it's through cross-sex hormones or whether it's the hormones to induce ovulation so your eggs will be ripe for harvesting so then you can go flash freeze them, there are going to be consequences for that. There are going to be side effects. There are studies that show that there is a link between freezing your eggs and even the hormonal

Starting point is 00:21:36 process of IVF and breast cancer and ovarian cancer that we talked to a sweet woman a few years ago who was a surrogate. It was a horrible story. Her name was Brittany. And I believe this was the first podcast where she shared her story and she was a surrogate for two gay men who wanted to gestate their child, they found out that the, that Brittany had cancer, and they wanted her to abort the child. Well, she didn't have to abort the child. She could do preterm delivery. They didn't want to deal with a pre-me baby. And they were like, we're not taking care of your child. We don't want you to adopt the child. We don't want you to take care of the child after birth. And so you have to deliver the child. She delivered the child at 24 weeks. The child died. Horrible, horrible

Starting point is 00:22:17 situation. But she had been a surrogate multiple times, and she had breast cancer. And she possibly, she was with her doctors exploring the possibility of the connection between her surrogacy journeys and the IVF was required for them and the cancer that she was now having to get chemotherapy for. When we inject our bodies with things that they are not supposed to have at levels that are not being naturally created to do something that our body was not naturally created to do, which was carrying an embryo that isn't ours. all kinds of consequences possibly exist. And again, we're just not supposed to think about that. We're supposed to think, oh, you have more control. You're more empowered. At least you can be a representative for the state of New York until you're 38 years old

Starting point is 00:23:08 and possibly run for president. Who cares how that affects your body, your future health, and your kids? And then number six, she's glamorizing the lie that women can have it all. The truth is we can't. No one can have it all. It's not just women, but it is unique. why we can't have it all. We can't have it all because only we can bear children and there is only a period of time that you can bear children. There may be another time for you to be able to pursue the things that preclude you for motherhood. It is possible to have a kind of work where you can prioritize motherhood in the home and you are also able to have your Etsy shop or host your podcast where you record a couple times a week. It is possible to be able to do those kinds of things at the same time. But this kind of non-stop, ambitious, time-consuming work at the same time that your body is primed to have kids,

Starting point is 00:24:06 like you got to pick one or the other. That is the reality. I just want young women out there to hear you, if you want children, if you want children and you want to be married, now is the time to prioritize that. Now is the time. Your 20s and 30s are the time to make sure that you are in a position to meet the right guy. You are ready to dedicate the time and the effort and the love and the attention that is necessary to raising those children. Now is the time.

Starting point is 00:24:44 You might in your 40s and 50s once all of your kids are in school have more time to be like the ambitious go-getter that you want to be. perhaps, I don't know, depends on what you want to do, but you are probably going to have to rearrange your life if that is the outcome that you want. Some jobs, again, some work is conducive to also having young kids. It is possible. But being a congresswoman really isn't. Running for president really isn't. Biology is real. How you order your life can make or break your future. So just understand that. If you are under the delusion that you can do everything you want to do, you can party, you can go from guy to guy, you can pursue this nonstop 80 hour a week career, and then you can get married at 38 and have kids at 42. You are lying to yourself.

Starting point is 00:25:41 And AOC, if she is pushing that idea, she is lying to you. That's why I care about this. That's why I care about this journey. It is bad for you. It's potentially bad for babies. And it is bad for our country when our kids don't have grandkids anymore. And when we are not reproducing, because you believed this idea that having babies in your 40s is just as likely as having babies in your late 20s. It's not. It's not. You can be mad at me all you want to, but you can scream at the sky about biology, but it is real. It is real. You don't, don't freeze your eggs to only then pursue IVF and surrogacy and all of those things. Order your life in a way that is conducive to marriage and having children.

Starting point is 00:26:27 That's the way to go. Now, we have learned some things about AOC and her political pursuits and her personal life that would make me not, well, I guess one of the points that I made, I would probably caveat a little bit, or I would change a little bit. And then some other points have now been illuminated a little bit more because of what it seems, what seems to be going on in her life. So we'll get into that in a second. Let me pause and tell you about crowd health. We love crowd health. This is what we use. It's not health insurance. We've opted out of health insurance because honestly, having health insurance sometimes felt like we didn't have any coverage

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Starting point is 00:28:07 This is how we win. Join crowdhealth. com code Alley. Okay, so apparently AOC is not actually engaged. She hasn't been engaged. It was just reported just a few days ago that she and her ex-fiancee had called it off about 18 months ago. And so that is the one thing that I would say is that she is apparently not with someone that she wants to have children with. And instead she is going on rant about dating losers, top five.

Starting point is 00:28:46 A lot of these people who pressure women into having kids at a young age or trying to create hysteria around being too old, etc. What they're trying to do is rush you into having a relationship with a loser. By a loser, I mean someone who doesn't respect women, someone who doesn't respect you, someone who doesn't treat you well, someone that doesn't support your growth. Okay. So I don't know if she's trying to passive aggressively talk about her ex-fiancee. Certainly no one would accuse them of rushing into anything. They were together for like 15 years of their wife. And so it wouldn't have been rushing if they had gotten married a few years ago. I mean, it's okay that they broke up. I have said many times it's better to be single and sad than to be married and trapped. Like you shouldn't settle for someone who is not respectful. You shouldn't settle for someone who is not a good person. You shouldn't settle for someone who is not a good person. You shouldn't settle for someone. who hates women, although I'm not really sure her definitions of those things. No one is saying that that I know of. I certainly have not given that advice, that you should just settle down and marry whoever comes along.

Starting point is 00:29:56 I am so glad that I waited until I knew without a doubt that this is the person that I wanted to be with for the rest of my life. And I didn't have any doubt in my mind. And I do see a lot of women who are making decisions based on being afraid that this guy is the last chopper out of Nam, and he's not a good guy, and he shouldn't be with them. I would never recommend that you do that. I recommend that if you are a Christian woman, that you find a Christian man who loves the Lord with all of his heart, mind, soul, and strength, and who loves you, has the same values as you, who will cherish you. And also, yes, I do think

Starting point is 00:30:38 some Christians debate this, which I don't think it should be debated. I think you should be attracted to the person. I don't think it should just be something where he has all of these characteristics on paper. You should be attracted to him. You should want to be around him. You should laugh with him. You should share a sense of humor with him. You should have fun with him. All of those things, those romantic parts of love and falling in love, I also think are really important. At the same time, I do think today I see this online among both men and women. the, like the specifications that young men and women today have for their future spouse. I would say especially in the Christian circle, it is like it's ridiculously specific.

Starting point is 00:31:21 Okay. I've talked to people who are like, I just really feel convicted that this is the eye color that God wants me to have. I have this vision of this person who I'm supposed to marry and I haven't seen this person yet. And I'm just sometimes I'm like, you guys are thinking way too hard. I don't know if you read Abigail Schreier's advice column for the free press. I find it to be very entertaining.

Starting point is 00:31:42 I don't always agree with everything because we're not coming from the same Christian worldview. But she makes some good points. There was someone who wrote into Abigail Schreier saying, look, this woman that I'm with meets all of my criteria. She is by far on paper the best person that I've ever been with. And I don't understand why when I leave her presence, I am depressed and I feel exhausted. And Abigail Shrier basically says, yeah, you don't love her. You're not in love with her. And that's it.

Starting point is 00:32:10 Like, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about is that young people today are so overly obsessed with all of these different specifications that they, I do think that you forget, like, you need to love the person. And people used to tell me when you know, you know, and that was really annoying to me until I met my husband. And then I was like, oh, I totally get it when you know you know. And also, they need to be a strong believer and share your values, be a hard worker. There are obviously qualities that you need to look for beyond your feelings, but feelings also matter too.

Starting point is 00:32:46 But people like AOC are pushing this idea that you can't, it seems to me, that she is basically saying, you can't possibly find that person young and settle down young without settling for some kind of like misogynist. I mean, that's just crazy. We're just pointing out that biology is real. It is real. It's not paranoia. It's just wisdom. You know, like Proverbs depicts wisdom shouting into the street being like, who's going to follow

Starting point is 00:33:13 me? Hello? Over here. AOC, that's what wisdom is doing for you. AOC, hello. Wisdom, discernment, reality, biology. It's over here. We're trying to get your attention.

Starting point is 00:33:28 And it's very difficult because then you see. the depiction of like wisdom's foil throughout Proverbs who is leading people into temptation and temporary pleasure, things that sound good, but lead you down a path of destruction. That's what's going on here. That's why it's so important to wade into this kind of debate. It's very simple. Don't date a loser. Don't marry a guy who isn't respectful and doesn't love you.

Starting point is 00:33:53 But do, as long as it depends on you, try to find a good guy and get married and have kids. if that's something that the Lord is calling you to do, okay? The path that she is pursuing of political ambition and hoping to have kids via egg freezing and embryo creation in her 40s, trust me, that is not going to be the path that leads to fulfillment and happiness and satisfaction. In fact, it's just going to end up leading to a lot of disappointment. That's what it's going to do. Just some numbers about this so you know that I'm not just gaslighting here.

Starting point is 00:34:28 I'm not just like making things up. These are not pro-life Christian studies. These are just academic studies. UCLA study found that only 5.7% of women who froze their eggs between 2014 and 2016 actually used them within five to seven years. Things just don't end up panning out. And again, it's very difficult once you're over the age of 40 to actually be able to produce those babies. It's also extremely expensive.

Starting point is 00:34:58 AOC has already talked about this. The price of freezing your eggs, $8,000 out of pocket and then $1,200 annually for storage. The whole procedure costs about $12,000 to $15,000 per cycle. This is another thing when people tell me, oh, it's too expensive to have children. Like that's why we're not having kids in this economy. And then you have someone who is touting a procedure that can cost you $15,000. it's a lot. The most severe side effect of freezing your eggs is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome. The ovaries become swollen and very painful. There was also this 2026 research from

Starting point is 00:35:39 Royal College of obstetricians and gynecologists. The incidence of that is unknown, but it shows that it can be as high as 20% of cases of people getting their eggs frozen, that you will suffer, that you will suffer from that. A 2017, this is interesting, study published in fertility and sterility that surveyed women who had had their expos and found that 16% had severe regret over the decision two years later. 33% had mild regret. Wow, that's really, really high. If you compare that to how people feel after other kinds of procedures, you will see that that is

Starting point is 00:36:18 extremely high. When you are injecting yourself with hormones again and you are doing things that affect to your body that intimately and that seriously, you're going to have big emotions about it. People don't talk about that. The same thing is true with abortion. We're messing with very intimate and sensitive parts of our bodies without really even talking about the repercussions. It's also just true. There's this whole debate in here about geriatric pregnancy. And people are like, oh, it's so rude to say geriatric and all that, which I understand. Look, I'm 34. I'm on the edge. If we had another child when I'm 36, there's probably going to be some older OBGYN that's like,

Starting point is 00:36:57 hey, geriatric pregnancy. Wow, how did this happen? And I understand like why that can feel, that can feel offensive because you're 36 years old and having a child, it's not geriatric. We think of geriatric as like 75 years old. But even if we change the name, that doesn't change the risk that comes with getting pregnant after the age of 35. Maternal age of 35 and older, this is according to the Cleveland Clinic, is associated with the higher likelihood of complications such as high blood pressure, preeclampsia, gestational diabetes, miscarriage, C-section, and that is not just a risk for the mom, it's also a risk for the baby. Data from the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology show that about 53.1% of women

Starting point is 00:37:43 under 35 achieved a live birth after one egg retrieval cycle compared with, only 4.2% of women over 42. So again, you just can't beat biology. You can't overcome it. It's kind of like a beach ball. You can keep pushing it underwater. Truth in all cases, certainly scientific truth, is going to keep popping back up.

Starting point is 00:38:08 You know, this whole thing was really considered experimental in 2012. There had only been about 500 births from people who had retrieved their eggs and gone through this process of creating these embryos. It's much more popular now and it doesn't have to do with the economy. It has to do with our culture. It has to do with where we are spiritually. It has to do with the fact that if you poll women, women are much more likely now to be progressive. About 65% of women consider themselves progressive Democrats. When you ask Gen Z women what their priorities are, what their goals are in life, getting married and having children is extremely low, not true of Densy men. It's mostly you want a career. You want financial independence. I think social media has a

Starting point is 00:38:55 big impact on that as well. And so that's why we're seeing this kind of deferred and delayed motherhood in taking these risky choices, both for you and for the baby. And AOC is really the representation of that. Now, a lot of people are also talking about AOC's political ambitions and how she's seems to be doing all of this, you know, breaking up with, or the news of her breaking up with her boyfriend is being published. She's talking about freezing her eggs. And then she's also saying things like this in interviews. Woke one was crazy. Oak one was crazy. Okay. That's true. And I think that what's important is that we have to assess what- Was it? I mean, did the movement go too far with some of those positions? I mean,

Starting point is 00:39:43 you briefly supported the idea of defunding the police. Well, you know, I think that during this time and during, especially during COVID, there was a huge opening of the Overton window. We were shut down. There was some of the highest unemployment rates that we have seen because of those shutdowns. And I think that the doors were really open in trying to entertain any and every policy that was going to get us to a better place. Okay, we don't have time to interpret all of that.

Starting point is 00:40:16 but she's distancing herself from what she calls woke one, which was 2020, which there were just a few surviving generals of woke one that led you, especially women, out of woke one with your sanity and dignity intact. AOC was not one of those women. She was one of those people who was echoing all of the madness about systemic racism and hailing George Floyd a hero, calling for the. abolition of the police. She knows now that now that we're out of 2020 and calling for all kinds of mandates and taking away freedoms under COVID, she knows now that all that stuff is very

Starting point is 00:40:57 unpopular. And if she's got to reach moderates and she's got to reach independence, then she's got to appeal to as many people as possible. So she's distancing herself from woke one. We wouldn't say that kind of stuff anymore. So what you're saying is that you're super caught up in emotion and you'll say anything that feels good at the time, even if it's not true? Hmm, I don't think that's the one I want to vote for. But what she's doing does appeal to a lot of people and it does garner a lot of sympathy. And so I do see how all of this kind of plays together if she is going to run in 2028. Now, do I think she's going to win the primary?

Starting point is 00:41:44 Probably not. But I think that she'll be a contender. I think that she'll absolutely be a contender, and she's garnering a lot of sympathy. She knows what she's doing. Like I said, most women are progressive, and her narrative to most progressive women right now is extremely sympathetic and extremely relatable. Remember, if you feel like, oh, you know, maybe I do like AOC. You know, I think that AOC and I could probably, you know, have some things to talk about that we would agree on to. Like in another world, maybe AOC and I could be friends.

Starting point is 00:42:19 So I'm not trying to condemn her entirely. I'm just saying just to remember what she represents. She remembers, she represents the most radical side of progressivism, the most secular and demonic side of abortion and transgenderism and sexuality, all this stuff that is truly destroying and praying. upon children, like AOC stands for it. So don't fall for these relatable stories and the seemingly relatable fertility journey. Like she is representing something that is extremely damaging for young women, both physically, mentally, and then I would also say spiritually. All right, let's get into the rest of the today's episode. Let me pause and tell you about our next sponsor. It is World Watch. All right. So screen time, it's not something that you want to promote for your kids. It's not something that we

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Starting point is 00:44:36 a good mom. Obviously, I think that her values and her thoughts on a lot of things should shift, but it also changes you for the batter. So, yeah, I hope that the Lord would save her, would help her, would point her in the right direction, and that she follows that path instead. All right. Now we've got to talk about something super important that you've heard me discuss before, but we've got firsthand accounts from the daughters of the American Revolution. They are trying to redefine what it means to be a daughter. And they want to include sons who identify as daughters in the Daughters of the American Revolution. Well, we've got a couple Christian women related girls raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, for the Christian roots and for the

Starting point is 00:45:20 definition of womanhood that is inherent in Daughters of the American Revolution. I'm talking to two members today that need our help. So without further ado, here they are. Laura Juliet, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. We talked on the show about what is going on with the daughters of the American Revolution. And both of your names were sent to me multiple times, but people who are familiar with everything going on. If you could each introduce yourself, Laura, you first, just tell us how long you've been a part of the D.A.R. Hi, Ellie Beth. Thank you for having me.

Starting point is 00:45:59 My name is Laura McDonald. I'm a member of the D.A.R. I'm here just speaking. in my capacity as a member, private citizen, not speaking on behalf of the DAR. I've been a member since 2018, and it wasn't until 2023 that we learned about this issue that's been going on within the DAR. And Juliet, what about you? What's your history with the DAR?

Starting point is 00:46:24 Thank you again for having us. I joined the DAR in December of 2023. I'm proud to be a first generation daughter and learn about the men be admitted shortly after and that's about the same time when Laura and I met. Okay, so just as a reminder for people, Laura, if you could tell us what exactly are you referring to? What happened in 2023 that started to sound the alarms for you? Right. So in 2023, there was a bylaw amendment that added anti-additional, or I'm sorry, it added additional anti-discrimination language to our bylaws. So there was already a clause that said members could not

Starting point is 00:47:07 discriminate against an eligible applicant, but there was a proposal to amend those bylaws to add additional language. So you can't discriminate against an applicant based on race, religion, sexual orientation, age, disability or any other characteristic protected by applicable law. And so that got members, you know, wondering, does this have anything to do with this new thing that's taking hold in the country of, you know, transgender ideology. And that question came up on the floor there at Continental Congress. And the question was asked, does this mean that we cannot turn away a man who has an amended birth certificate? And the answer was, no, you cannot. That would be illegal discrimination. And there was some back and forth. Let me just play that clip again so the audience

Starting point is 00:47:54 can remember what went on there. With the proposed change in wording to the bylaw, would our chapters be able to still vote not to admit into our chapter a person whose birth certificate has been altered by their state to indicate they are female even though they were born a male. I'm going to say yes, if their birth certificate says they're a female and you vote against them based on by their protected class, it's discrimination. Juliet, what was the response? when you got that, when you heard that very strange answer that, well, yeah, you can't discriminate against someone just because they're a man. It was actually surprising and somewhat shocking.

Starting point is 00:48:47 When I joined the DAR, I joined as an opportunity to continue to serve. My son and I had served in a different capacity when he was younger, but I didn't have an opportunity to serve with my daughters. And so that was a great draw for me and the DAR to be able to trace back lineage to be able to join, but then also to be able to serve and give back with my daughters. And that was something that I was really looking forward to. So when I heard that DAR was admitting men, I felt a bit betrayed and truly puzzled because that was completely not what I understood the organization was all about. So Lauren, tell me what you think is behind this, because from my understanding, the daughters of the

Starting point is 00:49:33 American Revolution was started with Christian principles, obviously American principles and pride and the courage that was displayed by those who fought for America's independence, but also the prayers, the scriptures that have been interwoven into the D.A.R. identity since the beginning, to me, seems completely opposed to what is happening. now, this openness to accepting men who identify as women. So what is going on behind the scenes that could possibly push the organization in this direction? Well, we have uncovered in the last few years that there are members who hold state and leadership positions who do take the ideological position that trans women are women. So when we first found out about this, we weren't sure

Starting point is 00:50:26 if it was just the DAR taking a defensive position? Because on the one hand, to one group of people, they make the claim that when I say one group of people, I mean people who think more like, we all think here, they try to convince us that this is something we have to do because it would be illegal if we exclude these men. So members are, for lack of a better term, maybe intimidated, maybe with, you know, their arm twisted to go along with this. But then you've got others, the President General herself, who are part of a very public Facebook page called Daughters for Inclusivity, who make the claim that trans women are women. And we found some internal documents that make that same claim, that trans women are not men. Trans women live and identify as women. So once I was able

Starting point is 00:51:13 to piece that together, I knew that it's like something I heard. I say our friend, he's your friend, Mr. Nulls, Michael Nulls on his show the other day, the long march through the institution. It's like an institutional takeover where I think they thought they were going to be able to get this in quietly and secretly, but now, since so many eyes are on it, they're being forced to own their ideology. So this push, getting away from Christian values too, is something else that we've uncovered. We didn't realize that until this came about. So Juliet and I, both Christians, Our local chapters that always prayed in the name of Jesus. And so we didn't put it together that there had been a move at the national level to remove the name of Jesus and to encourage chaplains to say, you pray in your faith as I pray in mine.

Starting point is 00:52:07 And sometimes we wonder, you know, have we put the cart before the horse by trying to rectify this situation of allowing men in the DAR before going back and correcting that? but we didn't know about that before this came to light. So we're not really sure when this push actually happened to try to get away from the DAR being a religious organization. But history shows that it is indeed a religious organization founded on Christian principles specifically. You're right. The first Congress of the Daughters of the American Revolution was held in the Church of Our Father on Wednesday, February 22nd, 1892. It was opened with a prayer. And then there are different ritual options.

Starting point is 00:52:53 Obviously, you all know about this much more than I do, but just telling the, telling the audience that includes 1 Timothy 620, Psalm 166, Deuteronomy 8, 2, Psalm 33, 12, and then a prayer that is very clearly a Christian prayer. It is not an all-faith prayer to the universe, but a Christian prayer. All right, quick pause to tell you about our next sponsor, and that is Javity. And so if you are feeling like you have just run out of places to turn for answers about why you feel so fatigued, why you just are getting sick every couple of weeks, why your immune system doesn't seem to be functioning the way you need it to. Your doctors say you're fine. You just are stressed.

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Starting point is 00:55:11 Jesus's name or to kind of this push for universalism within the DAR is coming from the same direction, the daughters for inclusivity? Or is that something that? that you all are still trying to figure out? That's an excellent question. We're really not sure, still trying to figure that out. I would speculate that that push to remove the name of Jesus and to really start to adjust perspective with regard to the rituals

Starting point is 00:55:43 and the scriptures being read and prayers being lifted up. I think that probably dates much before this inclusivity group. however, there's no real way for us to know what was going on in the background. So I'm not really sure. These things do seem to be intertwined, not just in this institution, but everywhere, the denial of Christ and the denial of the creator and then also the denial of the basics of Genesis 1 because all of those truths are interwoven. And so my opinion is that you're not putting the cart before the horse.

Starting point is 00:56:20 You're taking them one thing at a time, but they also, they go hand at hand. They're different, but they are absolutely connected. So I imagine that all of this is what prompted the formation of the daughters of the restoration. Is that right, Laura? Yes, that's right. So when we first found out about this, we were significantly suppressed in our ability to communicate with other chapter members. We were shut down on the DAR social media pages. We were told emphatically that we can't.

Starting point is 00:56:50 use our member directories to communicate with each other. There's a circularization policy that says members cannot spread a rumor or, you know, do anything to disturb the harmony, which again, like I've said before, is a great policy when implemented correctly, but should not be used as a cudgel to silence members to talk about legitimate things that are happening within the DAR. So, and members were even told, you can't even talk about this in a chapter meeting. Don't bring it up. And so Daughters for Restoration was born out of necessity. It started as a Facebook group. And, just to start collaborating with like-minded members. And then it's grown into this 501c3.

Starting point is 00:57:27 And now our purpose is to educate members about parliamentary procedure, the law where we can, getting as many legal opinions as we can to dispel some of these things that our leadership has put out, that we must do this or it's illegal. That's what restoration is about right now. But I do envision it becoming something bigger to not only restore the DAR to being one for biological women, but to restore the name of Jesus and our Christian values. And just to address one thing that you said, Laura, that there are some leadership who is acting like our hands are tied, we have to do this legally.

Starting point is 00:58:05 We have to accept men. Is that true? It is not true. The DAR by virtue, the daughters of the American Revolution, and, you know, discrimination has become a dirty word nowadays, but by nature. it is discriminatory in that there are specific requirements to be a member. You must be a woman, 18 years of age or older, with lineal descent of a patriot. That's not meant to be in any way, you know, anti-anything other than this is a historic institution that it has had eligibility standards

Starting point is 00:58:36 since its founding. We know inherently that we have a First Amendment right to the freedom of expression and association. So what leaders have done, the National Board of Management, they they had an attorney out of Michigan named Samuel Baganstos, who's a very liberal trans activist, I would say. He wrote an opinion that was distributed to all the members at Congress. It was the only one that we were able to talk about during the debate that says that a local District of Columbia Human Rights Act trumps our First Amendment right. So because the D.A.R. is headquartered in Washington, D.C., they're saying, our First Amendment right means nothing, and this D.C. law reigns supreme. Wow. Wow. And what has the response been to the formation of the daughters of the restoration? I imagine that you've had some pushback, Juliet. If initially all were basically told, ah, it's all about unity. You can't talk about this. I can just imagine that the leadership isn't super thrilled.

Starting point is 00:59:42 You are spot on. They are not thrilled. And in fact, they surprisingly have. sidestepped, I would say, some of our bylaws, some of the procedures and protocols that a typical organization would follow. And so, yes, you are right. We are receiving a lot of pushback and a lot of heat. But to the contrary, I will say, we have also experienced some great support. And the more that the word gets out, they, senior leadership has done everything within their power to silence this. and to Laura's point has put out circularization policy that said we cannot discuss it. Chapter Regents will even go to the point to tell their own members that it's forbidden to be talked about. And they shut conversations down on the local level and on the national level.

Starting point is 01:00:35 However, with all of that, as we know can happen, God has really opened the floodgates that the information that was trying to be suppressed and silenced has flown and has really spread across the entire nation. And we are gaining support and like-minded ladies to step up and to gain courage because it's intimidating. And they've done their very best to cast fear and intimidation in an attempt to silence us. And it's not really working. Wow. That's good.

Starting point is 01:01:13 You know, Julie, I have to ask, how big of a problem. problem is this actually from the progressive side of things in that? Are there really a ton of men who identify as women who are trying to join the DAR? I'm just trying to even understand why this is a hill the leadership would want to die on. That is such a great question that we, and we're having a hard time wrapping our mind around it. So our organization was founded in 1890 after these founders, these ladies were forbidden or not allowed to join sons of the American Revolution. And so that was the very founding of this organization based on women in lineal descent

Starting point is 01:02:03 and genealogical standards of practice. And so how or why we are in the position that we are now is really puzzling. And to your point, it doesn't really. make a whole lot of sense, why leadership would be willing to forego all of this amazing legacy and history that we have for, you know, a handful of men who identify as women. I'm not sure. That's an excellent question. Last sponsor for the day is seven weeks coffee. Y'all, I have to have my coffee every morning. I look forward to my coffee every morning. I love seven weeks because it's not only clean.

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Starting point is 01:03:43 Laura, what happens in October? What's supposed to happen in October is a special meeting. we have more than tripled the requirement required for a special meeting. Our bylaws say at the request of 30 chapters in 10 states, the President General shall call a special meeting, which by its nature is set at a time different from that of any regular meeting. So we met that threshold at the first part of this year. And instead of giving us our meeting, per the bylaws, per Robert Rules of Order,

Starting point is 01:04:16 they added our resolution as a vote to Continental Congress. and that's what everybody's been hearing about for the past month or so. So we maintain that in order for our bylaws to have any meaning to be upheld, that we must have that special meeting. Otherwise, this gets back to what we're talking about, the meaning of words. The word woman has a meaning, has a clear definition. A special meeting has a clear definition. What our leaders are doing are reinterpreting, though,

Starting point is 01:04:43 they're amending those words by interpretation. They're just deciding that, no, we're not going to say that word, means this, we're going to say it means that now because it suits us better. We cannot stand for that. We have to push for this special meeting. What we're hearing over and over is there will be no special meeting. This is a violation of our bylaws. If there is no special meeting, that is a clear violation of our bylaws. So October the 11th, more than 115 chapters in 34 states at this point have sent a resolution to the President General saying, we want a special meeting at our headquarters in Washington, D.C. on October the 11th, 2026, that's the birthday of our

Starting point is 01:05:21 founding, Columbus Day, and the President General has been silent. Wow. So as of right now, you don't know, Laura, if that meeting is actually going to happen. We have to operate under the mindset that it is going to happen. Otherwise, again, our bylaws mean nothing. The President General is silent. She is ignoring our many emails. emails. So you can do with that what you will. We cannot physically force her to, you know, call the special meeting. But if our bylaws mean anything and if the resolutions of these chapters, these duly adopted resolutions mean anything, we have to operate under the mindset that there will be a special meeting. And Ali Bet, if I can say one thing, it's come to my attention

Starting point is 01:06:08 over the last day or two that I get screenshots of our opposition, things that they're saying about us on the other side. I try my best not to look at what they're saying. But this idea has come about that there's some shadowy figure that's propping us up. Otherwise, how could small town East Texas chapter members get the attention of Allie Beth Stucky, get the attention of the Center for American Liberty, get the attention of Representative Klein and all these congressmen that have signed on to this proposal to amend our charter? And the truth is, there is nobody lurking in the shadows. But there is somebody in the light. And his name is Yeshua, Jesus Christ, the son of God, the one who died for us. And we have called on him and asked for his blessing. And he is the reason

Starting point is 01:06:51 all of this has happened. And we do believe that we will see the DAR restored. I believe that he is answering the prayers of those women who founded this organization back in 1890. Amen. Amen. Juliet, what can the average person do who's listening to this? They're not a part of the DAR, but they're like, okay, we want to see y'all get your meeting, at least, at the very least, of course, we want the restoration of this organization for the sake of our country, for the sake of our history, for the sake of the truth. What can the average woman who is listening to this do? Oh, I love that question. First and foremost, I would say pray. Prayer is powerful, and we, as the restoration group, have not forgotten that. And so that is a very primary and,

Starting point is 01:07:41 out front and center part of what we do. Prayer is powerful. Beyond that, if they would like to take action, HR Bill 9701, which Representative Klein introduced, and we are so grateful, they can call their representatives in their local districts and jurisdictions and ask for them to co-sponsor this bill. That would be wonderful and very helpful, and that will define what a woman. is and it will come from Congress and they are the ones who authored our charter. And so that is something actionable that they can do. If they just make a phone call or in their local districts,

Starting point is 01:08:22 send an email. The websites are there. They can go to Congress.gov and look out Bill H.R. 9701. And then there also, they can hit a link if they don't know who the representatives are. It'll take them right to their representatives once they put in their zip code. I think it is. But prayer is so powerful and we believe in it and we have seen it working. And so I thank you for that question. That's a good one. Absolutely. And I think the more people share this interview, talk about it, and create buzz around this, hopefully the more pressure, outwardly facing pressure, the head of the DAR will feel, maybe she will feel pressure to respond and give you all at the very least a fair hearing because as we know, like we know this about deceit, we know this about the enemy, we know this about lies,

Starting point is 01:09:15 they like to operate in the darkness. Obviously, they don't want you guys talking. They don't want you guys meeting. They don't want this to come to light. So that means we as Christians, we got to do the opposite of that. We got to bring this fully into the light so that it can't be ignored. And I'm just thankful for the courage that you all have both displayed and all of the people who are trying to restore the DAR.

Starting point is 01:09:37 it would have been a lot easier for you to sit back and say, it's like, well, it's probably not really going to affect me where I live. So I'm not going to say anything. But you guys are taking a massive risk. And I want everyone in this audience to share your arrows and do everything that we can to help you. So thank you both so much. Laura, Juliet, urge everyone to pray and to be a part of this using your voice however you can. Thank you guys both so much. Thank you. Thank you, Ellie, Beth. Thank you. All right, y'all. episode today. We will be back here on Friday, like I said, with that incredible interview with Vanessa Sivage. And don't forget on Friday to tune into my Jubilee debate, which we

Starting point is 01:10:21 will be talking about more next week. I'll see you guys back here then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1383 | AOC Is Freezing Her Eggs — the Reality She Is Hiding from You

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