Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1399 | I Didn’t Expect to React This Way to Patrick Clancy

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

Greta Gerwig is the director of a new adaptation of "The Magician's Nephew" by C.S. Lewis, and Aslan will be voiced by Meryl Streep. Allie looks at the issues with carving out the gospel and theological significance in the classic book and why staying true to the message is so important, both artistically and regarding the worldview being promoted. Allie also looks at Patrick Clancy’s appearance on "60 Minutes." In conclusion, Allie talks about the new Little Tikes “Cloud Collection” of beige toys and the comments online, both positive and negative, as well as her own thoughts.Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠Share the Arrows is sponsored by:A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.comRange Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIEWe Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com–Time Codes00:00 Intro00:52 Welcoming Sarah Huckabee Sanders to STA3:15 Meryl Streep ... the voice of Aslan?13:37 "The Magician's Nephew"37:00 Patrick Clancy on "60 Minutes"53:18 The Great Beige Debate–Today's Sponsors:Fellowship Home Loans | Go to FellowshipHomeLoans.com/allieand get a $500 credit at closing.We Heart Nutrition | Check out We Heart Nutrition at ⁠⁠⁠https://WeHeartNutrition.com⁠⁠⁠ and use the code ALLIE for 20% off.Patriot Mobile | Go to https://PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 972-PATRIOT. Use promo code ALLIE for a free month of service.Pre-Born | To donate, dial #250 and say the keyword BABY. Or visit https://Preborn.com/ALLIE .Everylife Diapers | Visit Everylife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% off your first order today!Episodes You May Like:I Was Wrong About Lindsay Clancy. Why I’ve Changed My Mind | Ep 1388 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERPJcVe4BsDid Patrick Clancy Do It? Fact-Checking the Lindsay Clancy’s Defenders | Ep 1386 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atmU6fyTDyU► Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠► Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book► Subscribe to the podcast:iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnPSpotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj► Connect with Allie on social media:https://twitter.com/conservmillenhttps://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/► "Relatable" merchandise — use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Patrick Clancy, in my opinion, and his new wife, they are not doing themselves any favors by doing these interviews. It is not because I think that they are guilty. It's not because of any character thing. It's because they don't come across well on TV. He does not carry himself well. That's okay. He's not media trained. He doesn't need to carry himself well.

He just suffered the death of his three children, the ruin of his marriage. That is a very traumatic event. He doesn't have to carry himself well, but if he's not going to, he shouldn't be on camera. At the same time, I feel awful for him. I am able to look past the initial like, doesn't look great on camera and say, I think that this person is telling the truth. Hey, y'all, welcome to relatable.

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directing of the Chronicles of Narnia, or at least right now, the magician's nephew. Now, you remember if you've read the Chronicles of Narnia, we read them in school growing up, and I've read not all of them all the way through in adulthood, but I've read several of them, both by myself and with my children in the last few years. And they're starting with the magician's nephew because it is the prequel to the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe. It's the prequel of the series. So there have been new details that have been emerging over the past week as we've looked into what the adaptation is going to look like. A lot of people are upset about this because of the

choices that she is making. And I wouldn't even call it an adaptation. It seems to me like a total butchering of what the magician's nephew and the Chronicles of Narnia are about. And of course, carving out the spiritual theological gospel significance when it comes to Aslan and when it comes to Narnia. So we're going to be to, to dive into that today and talk about why this actually matters. When we take a book to the screen, why staying true to the message, especially the Christian message, is not only important when it comes to worldview issues, but it's actually really important artistically. If we miss the theological allegory, then you miss the heart of the story altogether. Also, I told you I would

be watching Patrick Clancy on 60 Minutes on Sunday night. And we did watch the parts that you guys are talking about and we analyzed them and I've got some thoughts, some competing thoughts on it. And so we'll get into all of that. And then if we have time, we will talk about Millie Bobby Brown. She recently adopted her second child. And the response has been really strange online. Some positive, a lot of weird negativity too. And then that is contrasted to the response to some other celebrities who, of course,

have rented the wombs of other women to bear their children. And then we'll have a Hillary Clinton inspired lifestyle pit or patter. if we have time, but we always have a lot to get to. So let's just go ahead and get into it, because I have a lot to say about my beloved Chronicles of Narnia. If you know me, you know how much I love C.S. Lewis, how much I quote C.S. Lewis. Sometimes I butcher the quotes of C.S. Lewis because I'm trying to just call them to mind spontaneously, and I don't always have them written out in front of me. But his work really exists, like in the backdrop of my mind, because I read him first when I was really starting to take my faith seriously in high school.

It was mere Christianity. It was screw tape letters. It was surprised by joy. It was the four loves that really disturbed in my heart. Not only an understanding of like the basics of Christianity, why absolute truth must exist, why there must be a lawgiver and why the Bible is actually reliable. It really laid a foundation for those things. but it just drew my heart and my mind into wanting to understand Christianity better. I'm so thankful that I was raised in a Christian home would not trade my evangelical upbringing

for anything. I'm thankful for Awana. I'm thankful to go for going to church two to three times a week. I am thankful that I went to a Christian school that I hid the word of God in my heart by assignment and by obligation my entire upbringing. But it really wasn't until I was a junior senior and school that I started reading deeper, the Word of God, and then some theological works. I guess you could call C.S. Lewis's books somewhat theological works, although they're really, you can't really look at them as like exact theology. It's really more the underpinnings of Christianity and faith. And that opened up my world to the intellectual side of Christianity that I hadn't really explored and that changed my life. That changed my life. It changed how I thought. It changed how I spoke.

It changed how I wrote. It changed my creativity. And I had always been a reader, but it was reading C.S. Lewis, both fiction and nonfiction, that really just deepened my love for the Bible and thinking about the big and complex things of God. And there have just been so many times when I've been reading C.S. Lewis where I'm like, yes, I've had that thought before, but I didn't know how to put words to it. I didn't know how to describe it. and he just did that in such plain language.

Now, some of you, I know you're thinking C.S. Lewis doesn't write in plain language. What are you talking about? And yes, just like you, I read C.S. Louis and sometimes I have to read a paragraph three or four times to make sure I understand what he's talking about. But it's not because he writes in a confusing, complex way. It's because it's so simply profound. And that is certainly true when it comes to the Chronicles of Narnia. When I reread the line, the witch in the wardrobe just a few years ago with my then, I think,

four and a half, five-year-old we were reading through it every night, took us a while, as you can imagine. There were just so many moments that brought me to tears that on the surface don't seem profound or don't seem sad, but when you understand what he is trying to articulate when it comes to the battle of good and evil, the creation of the earth, the eternal plan of redemption that God is carrying off without a hitch, then those seemingly small and mundane descriptions in the line, the witch and the wardrobe, they really just, they catch you. They catch you. And C.S. Lewis has an incredible way of doing that. And so I really care about this adaptation. I really care about how people are introduced to C.S. Lewis's work. And I don't think

that Greta Gerwig is a good person to introduce you to C.S. Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia. And I think one of the biggest sadnesses, I guess, disappointments when it comes to, to this is the casting of Merrill Streep as Aslin. Now, a little bit more on the background of this, let me fill you in and then we'll talk somewhere about Merrill Streep. So as I said, Greta Gerwig, writer, director, she's very talented. There's no doubt about that. Directed Little Women, directed Barbie. I haven't seen the new Little Women, by the way. I think that's another one. I'm scared. I'm scared. I don't want to watch it because I'm afraid I'm not going to like it. But I have heard some positive reviews from some of you. Barbie saw Barbie.

I didn't really have a reaction to it. She's made headlines for creating Narnia as what she describes as a rock opera, a rock opera, okay, in the magician's nephew, and she's casted Meryl's Treep, as I said, as the voice of Aslan.

He is the lion, if you don't know, and he is the creator. He's the one true king of Narnia. He is kind of the Christ character in C.S. Lewis's fantasy series. So Gerrick explained her reasoning behind casting, the devil wears Prada star, Merrill Streep. I wanted someone who was profound but not pretentious,

who had gravitas, but not morose self-seriousness, someone who could communicate depth and pathos as well as joy and delight. Now, to be fair, I do think as a viewer that that describes Merrill Streep. Like one of the most talented actresses, actually when I read that description, I'm like, yeah, that does sound like something

that if anyone can accomplish that, Meryl Streep can accomplish it. But Meryl Streep is a woman. And Aslan is portrayed as a he through this series. And it's important, as we'll get to in a second. Aslan actually seems to be in these stories or in this adaptation, a male. He seems to continue to have like this male portrayal he has actually talked about as he, not only in the books, but also in the movie.

So the empire reported on this and said, he is voiced by the one and only Meryl Streep reunited with her little women director. Now, I think there's going to be a lot of guesses about whether or not this is some kind of like message about transgenderism or gender fluidity or feminism. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it is a strange choice when you think about a woman voicing a male character and continuing to be called male.

I don't know if that is the political point that she's trying to make or if she's just trying to do what a lot of artists do, and that's blur lines and do things that don't make sense in a way to say, this is, you know, this is what it means to be creative and beautiful. All right. Let's talk about why this is a problem. Why is it a problem that this incredible actress, this super talented person is voicing this particular character? We'll get into that in a second. Let me pause. Let me tell you about our first sponsor. It's fellowship home loan. So if you bought your home between 2022 and 2024, you need to listen to this. Rates hit a low earlier this year that most people missed.

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but is the prequel to Lion the Witch in the Wardrobe. follows the character's Diggery and his friend Polly, who are tricked by Diggery's Uncle Andrew into experimenting with magic rings that can transport people between worlds. Diggery and Polly accidentally end up being transported to a new world that is being created. Narnia. They witness Asland the Lion, seeing the world into being, mirroring God's speaking our world into existence using the logos, which Jesus is called in John 1, to speak the world into existence, the book describes it as follows. In the darkness, something was happening at last. A voice had

begun to sing. But it was beyond comparison, the most beautiful noise he had ever heard. It was so beautiful that he could hardly bear it. So that description that we just read actually was an inspiration for Gerwig. That's where she got the idea for the movie to be a rock opera, she said. So this is concept art from the film of Aslan creating Narnia. Greta Gerwig said this. Narnia is literally a world made out of music. It is a world sung to life by Aslan and rock and roll to me felt like a world made out of music.

She's also said that Aslan's appearance was inspired by David Bowie. Okay. Interesting. We'll get a picture of David Bowie up and we'll show you what he looks like or what he looked like, which she also explained as the reason she gave him. a multicolored eyes. Bowie did too. But Aslan's creation song is much deeper and richer than rock and roll.

It mirrors the creation described in scripture, not described by David Bowie, where God creates the world out of speech. Genesis 1, 3. And God said, let there be light and there was light. And then John 1-1, as I referenced a second ago, in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. And the word was God. And of course, we go on in that chapter to read that the,

the word is Jesus. That's not just something that we are deducing. That is something that we read in John 1 that is a big scriptural foundation for the idea of the Trinity as well. By the way, C.S. Lewis's books aren't just fairy tales. They're not just fantasies. They're allegories. They're retellings, renderings of Christian truths. And this is, this has obvious significance for the creation of the magician's nephew. There was this piece in the New York Times all the way back in 1956 that C.S. Lewis wrote called sometimes fairy stories may say best what's to be said. He said this, why did one find it so hard to feel as one was told one ought to feel about God or about the sufferings of Christ? I thought the chief reason was that one was told one ought to.

An obligation to feel can freeze feelings. But supposing that by casting all these things into an imaginary world, stripping them of their stained glass and Sunday school associations, one could make them for the first time appear in their real potency. Could one not thus steal past those watchful dragons? I thought one could. So what he's trying to say there is that sometimes being compelled is better than being commanded. Sometimes being emotionally compelled into awe, emotionally compelled into feeling, emotionally compelled into sympathy or sadness or grief or guilt by an artistic depiction or by an allegory is better than being told to feel those things. And I don't think he's saying that we shouldn't be commanded or that

the commands are wrong or that it's wrong to read the Bible or wrong to feel convicted by a pastor telling you these things at church, but sometimes it's more powerful to be made to feel those things through story or through allegory rather than through literalism, through commands. So Lewis's goal in writing the Chronicles of Narnia was to have people re-encounter the figure of Christ in a way that would make it real, that would make it new again. And it's not a literal comparison. You can't get out your Bible and read the line, the witch in the wardrobe, and find exact cross references between what the Bible says and this story. And you also can't nitpick it as a theological work.

It's not an exact representation of the gospel. It's not an exact representation of Jesus. You have to read it for what it is, which is a fantasy novel with Christian themes underneath if you're willing to look. And the Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan is the equivalent of Christ. Or he's a Christ figure. And the emperor beyond the sea is the equivalent of God, the Father.

in the lion, the witch in the wardrobe, the first published book of the series, Mr. Beaver identifies him as such. I tell you he is the king of the woods and the son of the great emperor beyond the sea. Don't you know who is the king of beast? Aslan is a lion. The lion, the great lion. Of course, Jesus is referred to also in scripture as the lion of Judah. Aslin creates Narnia in a way that highlights Christian truth and symbolism.

Lewis describes Aslan's creation song like this in the magician's nephew. Every drop of blood tingled in the children's bodies in the deepest, wildest voice they had ever heard was singing Narnia, Narnia, Narnia awake, love, think, speak, be walking trees, be talking beasts, be divine waters. Aslan says Narnia three times here. I think that this is an echo of the Trinity, the father, the son, the Holy Spirit. of course they were God as the triune God was all present at the moment of creation. And if you know anything about the lion, the witch in the wardrobe, Aslan literally sacrifices

himself on behalf of the children. And specifically for Edward, who was the stinker that went along with the white witch in exchange for something really small Turkish delight and betrayed his own brothers and sisters, and Aslan took his place. But then at the end, sorry, spoilers, there was a quote unquote deeper magic that the witch had forgotten about that allowed Aslan to be resurrected and to bring this everlasting winter into the end and make new life. I could get choked up talking about this because it's such a beautiful way, I think, to paint the redemptive story that is represented in Christ. In an essay, the creation of Narnia, author Joseph Pierce, writes this

writes of this scene and the magician's nephew, we are told instantly in another trinitarian incantation that wakefulness is to love, think, and speak. The command to love, think and speak is a reflection of the good, the true, the beautiful. And when Christ tells us that he is the way, he is the truth, he is the life, he is connecting himself with this trinitarian foundation of all that is real. And after Aslan's command for creation to come forth, the Narnians come forth and reply, and all the beasts and birds in their different voices, low or high or thick or cleared, replied, Hail Aslan, we hear and obey,

we are awake, we love, we think, we speak, we know. You know, this reminds me of the passage in Romans when we hear that the creation is groaning for its own redemption. And also the passage that says, you know, like if we don't worship him, even the rocks will cry out. It reminds me of the passage, reminds me of the story of Jesus when he tells the storm to stop, even the winds and the waves obey him. Who is this? The disciples say that even the winds and the waves obey him. So again,

you see this parallel here. Josh Nadeau posted on Instagram noting this is the sword and pencil Instagram account, and I don't know anything about it, but I thought that this was an interesting point. He noted the liturgical meaning relating to public worship significance of this particular scene. that song is by definition liturgical. And it can only be truly liturgical if an ordered creation responds. A liturgy, if you don't go to a church that has liturgies, one person says one thing, the congregation says the other thing in response. Josh goes on to say, order and authority call out and creation responds in fruitful worship. The act mirrors God's breathing life into mankind to Genesis. Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground

and breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. That's Genesis 2-7. And that, of course, Aslan is this Christ figure. And that's why, that's the really important thing, why I think it's so important that this is, that this character is played by a man with a male voice. because Jesus was a real person. Now, of course, this is a fantasy. Jesus wasn't a literal lion and Aslan is a lion. And so I'm not trying to make this too literal. But I think that that is a significant part of the allegory. Like, I just don't think it makes sense and it causes confusion and it causes some dissonance when you are calling Aslan. He, he's clearly a male

lion. Even in the art that we see, like he, like, he is a male lion with a mane. And so clearly it's not even that he's just calling Aslan He throughout the movie, but it's also that he is depicted even in Greta Gerwig's adaptation as a male lion. And yet you have this very feminine voice. It's a deep feminine voice, but it's a feminine voice portraying him. That causes a chasm that I think makes it hard to connect to the allegory that C.S. Lewis intended, which is the comparison of the parallel to Christ. All right. We'll get into that. specific, the Christ-likeness of Aslan in just a second. Let me pause. Let me tell you about WeHeart Nutrition. They'll be at share the arrows. I'm so thankful. I love Jacob and Kristen.

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name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there. So Lewis goes even further than just giving Aslan Christ-like qualities. He actually implies that Aslan is another incarnation of Christ just in a different world. Again, he's not making some like actual theological point adding to scripture there. It's part of the allegory. Aslan's answer of I am in that exchange is an illusion, an allusion with an A to God repeatedly giving his name as I am in scripture. And Lewis's letters, he explicitly states that Aslan was a hypothetical answer to the question of what Christ might have been like in another world, in a fictional world, if he chose to be incarnate. He said this. This is,

I have this book. It's called the quotable Lewis and it contains a lot of quotes from his letters over the years. He said, if Aslan represented the immaterial deity, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality, however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, what might Christ become like, if there really were a world like Narnia, and he chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as he actually has done in ours. Okay, and so I guess I'm kind of wrong in calling this an allegory because he says right there, actually, it's not really an allegory.

He calls it an invention, giving an imaginary answer to the question, what might Christ become in another life, in another world? So all of this means, whether he calls it an allegory or an imaginary invention, all of this means that the implications of casting a woman, Merrill Streep, DeVoise Aslan, go beyond just inaccurate casting or bad casting, whatever you want to call it, or departing from the source material. Since C.S. Lewis's purpose was to have his readers actually encounter Christ in a new way using the fantasy world to accomplish this. Greta Gerwig's approach strips out the heart of the story, the soul of the story, the story. the purpose for which C.S. Lewis was writing. And it's not really surprising. I mean, Gerwick doesn't have a Christian worldview. She said that she's religious, but she doesn't like

the figure of Jesus. Yikes. She said, I'm a theist. I get uncomfortable around Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior stuff. I find that creepy, but I go to church every Sunday. Uh-oh. If you're going to church that doesn't say Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, the best and most necessary news for any individual in all of history anywhere to hear, well, then that's not a very good, that's not a very good church. So apparently she believes in God, but it's clearly not the God of the Bible. It's not the God that C.S. Lewis worshipped and that he took great pains to show is the Father's Son in Holy Spirit and is responsible for creation, redemption, salvation. I wish that she would actually take his works more seriously as she's reading them and try to get

into C.S. Lewis's mind, rather than performing some kind of, like, isogetical surgery on them to create something that's not there. She's purposefully, I think, blurring and muddying the historical reality of the incarnation of Christ by moving Aslan away from representing Christ. In the Lion, the Witch in the Wardrobe, the climactic scene is Aslan, as I said, being killed on a stone table, a mirror of the crucifixion. And one of the pivotal elements of this scene is his main being cut off, the white witch. I find this so sad. Do you all remember watching like the 1970s version of the lion, the witch in the wardrobe growing up? It is so much better, I think, than any of the other like modern adaptations of it. It is so good. And even though the

animation to us today seems very simple and rudimentary, like I find that scene really, really powerful when Susan and Lucy are watching him and the main is being cut off. And the mice are like trying to tear away the ropes. Like it really is stuck in my mind and in my heart, my entire life, it really just communicates how sad the crucifixion was. So the white witch strips him of his mane. And that is what makes him masculine. That is what makes him powerful. We actually see later in the in the story, like when he's resurrected, when he comes back and he makes all things new, one of the key moments is that he shakes his mane. And when he shakes his mane that is a part of his creativity in that moment of bringing new life forward.

And so I don't know. I don't think that it's a coincidence that the white witch took away what made Aslan powerful or masculine or what she thought made him powerful and masculine. And Greta Gerwig is also taking away the masculine elements of Aslan by giving him a female voice. We need like a James Earl Jones in this role. Of course, he's not alive anymore. but I'm sure that there is someone else who could have given us this powerful, masculine voice.

The element of gender actually was not insignificant to C.S. Lewis. He argued in an essay, titled priestesses in the church, that to refer to God as feminine would be to embark on a different religion. So he says, suppose the reformer stopped saying that a good woman may be like God and begin saying that God is like a good woman. suppose he says that we might just as well pray to our mother which art in heaven as to our father. Suppose he suggests that the incarnation might just as well have taken on a female form as a male form. And the second person of the Trinity may as well be called the daughter of the daughter as the son. Now it is surely the case that if all these supposals were ever carried into effect, we should be embarked on a different religion.

He says, without drawing upon religion, we know from our poetical experience that image and apprehension cleave closer together than common sense is here prepared to admit that a child who has been taught to pray to a mother in heaven would have a religious life radically different than that of a Christian child. He understands that God doesn't do things arbitrarily. He doesn't do things accidentally. He understands that his word, which has been inspired by the Holy Spirit, designates exactly how we should relate to God, that Jesus is.

is an example for how we should pray. Jesus literally says, when you pray, pray like this, our father who are in heaven. That is how God refers to the first person or how Jesus refers to the first person of the Trinity. It is how the first person of the Trinity refers to the son, the second person, as a man, as a son, as the God man. This is not exchangeable. And it does speak to this idea and culture that men and women are interchangeable, male and female, husband, wife, mom and dad, that there are no real innate differences in us, that there's no physical, really, or spiritual significance and certainly no eternal significance. As we've talked about many times, the difference between male and female, the definition

of marriage is between one man and one woman is not just important because of physical procreation, but because of the eternal reality that it represents the marriage between Christ who is depicted as the groom and the church who is depicted as the bride. We see that in Ephesians 5, that that is the representation that earthly marriage holds, that it is reflective of the eternal reality, the culmination of all of time, which is the marriage between the groom and the bride, Christ and his church. it's not arbitrary. It becomes a completely different religion, a completely different faith. This becomes a completely different allegory, a completely different imaginary incarnation of Christ,

a completely different story with a different meaning and a different purpose. So if you watch this movie, it might be good artistically. It probably will be. There will be good acting. I don't think Merrill Streep has the capability of not acting well, but just understand you are not watching a rendering of C.S. Lewis's work. You are watching something different. You are watching a totally different creation that will have some parts that are similar to the magician's nephew, but it's missing its heart. So I really encourage you, especially if you plan to watch this, but whether you do or don't, to read the Chronicles of Narnia yourself. You're not too old to read it, whether you have kids or not. I mean, C.S. Lewis is someone who writes for all ages. And so you will get

something out of this, much like Lord of the Rings or something like that. You will get something out of this. Um, even if you are someone who's like, well, I don't read and this is going to be hard. It is going to be hard. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not. It's not going to be like reading Colleen Hoover. Okay. Like, it's going to stretch your brain a little bit. It is. It's, it stretches mine. Okay. And I've read it many times. But it's not like the things that we read on social media every day. it opens up another chamber of your brain, which requires more attention span and more understanding and more reading comprehension. It's not something that you can scroll and skim. But that's good. Like our brains need that. We need that exercise. Just like if you don't use

your biceps for a long time, it's going to become weak. If we don't use the muscles of our brain for a long time, those will atrophy too. And yet this is part our thinking capacity, our ability to reason, to understand, to imagine, to create, to write and to speak as part of what it means to be made in God's image, to be reflective of the God who spoke the world into motion. Okay, so I just really encourage you. Read it with your kids. Even if your kids don't understand, my kids definitely don't understand all of the Chronicles of Narnia, but we try hard to read above their reading level, especially when it comes

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clips that 60 minutes posted all of the comments pretty much are against Patrick. And I will just say right off the bat. So you know, you guys know what I've been saying. I think that it's wrong to indict this man. I think it's wrong for him to be flogged in the public square to be tried by the court of public opinion. I actually saw this video going around where this guy is going up to random women. This was in Texas and saying like, who do you think has done more damage for women Sydney Sweeney or Lindsay Clancy. And one of the women that I saw say Lindsay Clancy, she was like, well, yeah, but we don't know if she did it or not.

The court's trying to decide whether Patrick or Lindsay did it. No. I think a lot of people who claim that they've done research on this case, claimed that they know about this case, claimed to have watched the trial actually mean that they've watched TikTok. That's what I realize is that a lot of these people who have accused me of. not watching it because I'm not on the side of accusing Patrick Clancy, haven't watched it themselves.

They're not sitting on YouTube and actually watching the unedited trial. They are following particular TikTok influencers who are only showing you snippets of it and then adding their commentary and interpretation and over analyzing every single expression of Patrick Clancy and the lawyers and things like that to come up with their own conclusions. That's not watching the trial. That is outsourcing your critical thinking to someone. else, which I encourage you not to do. Don't outsource your critical thinking to me. Don't outsource it to any other podcaster. Don't outsource it to an influencer. Think for yourself

or just say you don't have an opinion on it. Just say that you don't really care enough to research it. Okay. So that's the side that I'm on. Lindsay Clancy admitted to doing this. She admitted to doing this on multiple occasions and her defense attorneys have not accused Patrick Clancy. They have not introduced the possibility that Patrick Clancy is responsible for it. They have not denied that Lindsay Clancy did it herself. The only question is really whether or not she was mentally there enough could understand the consequence of what she was doing in the moment. I think from the witnesses and from the testimony that has come forward from multiple

doctors, including the doctors that had been treating her for months and in some cases for years before she killed her children, that she did not have postpartum psychosis, and that she was fully aware of what she was doing when she was doing it. Because evil exists, y'all. Like a mom can kill her children, not because she's psychotic, but because she did something evil. And she can do something evil, even if a month before she wasn't doing those evil things or wasn't thinking of those evil things. I think people have a hard time grasping with people just doing evil things because people do evil things. We try to pathologize and excuse everything, especially when it comes to hormones, especially when it comes to women. Postpartum,

you attach that to anything and suddenly it becomes like this sympathy case rather than showing women the respect to offer them the agency that they have. And I think she had an agency. She was never diagnosed with postpartum psychosis. Okay. So I just want to say all of that before I say what I'm about to say about Patrick Clancy, okay? Before we even play any of these clips, I just want to give you my take that Patrick Clancy, in my opinion and his new wife, who is pregnant with his child,

they are not doing themselves any favors by doing these interviews. That is my opinion. It is not because I think that they are guilty. It's not because of any character thing. It's because they don't come across well on TV. And you might think that that, is superficial, but that's what matters. That's about all that matters right now, actually. And that is

really what has made the case difficult for Patrick, is that he comes across villainy. It's just his look. Like, it's just his, the, his angular face. It's just how he carries himself. That is not his fault. He could not help that when he was on the stand talking about this case, but you can help that when you're going on 60 minutes. And how you help that is by not doing it. You just don't do it. I don't know if he has a publicist. Patrick, you should have a publicist. You should always have a publicist. But if I were the publicist, I know some publicists think, oh, you know, more media the better. That's my job. Just to just a book. And then I can say, look, I books this client on this. No, no, no. No. It has to be more strategic than that. Sometimes the most important job that a publicist can do

is to keep her client out of the spotlight. And that is what I think should happen in this case. He does not carry himself well. That's okay. He's not media trained. He doesn't need to carry himself well. He just suffered the death of his three children, the ruin of his marriage.

That is a very traumatic event. He doesn't have to carry himself well, but if he's not going to, he shouldn't be on camera. Okay. All of that said, that's my opinion there. And then also, at the same time, I feel awful for him in these.

Like, I am able to look past the initial, like, doesn't look great on camera and say, I think that this person is telling the truth. I do. I think he's 100% telling the truth. And I feel awful for what he has gone through. And one thing I learned in the midst of this, in the midst of this interview,

is that I did not know that Callum, the baby, was alive for four days in the hospital. And that Patrick spent those days with him just pleading for him to stay alive. Okay? So I would just, I'd say, if you have an initial reaction, like, move past that. Listen to what he's saying and what this man has gone through before you accuse him of being a part of the murder of his children.

Here's not one. I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him. And I'm so grateful he hung on. Did you talk to him in those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said? I said, I'm so sorry. And I got to hold him.

I got to lay down next to him. And he died in my arms. During those hours with Callan, Clancy sat and wrote tributes to each of his three children, typing with one hand while he held his baby's hand with the other. He said he was afraid if he didn't write about them, they would be forgotten. That should break your heart.

I mean, that is, can you imagine most of us can't. Thank the Lord. We cannot imagine, but there is no worse pain than that. And also for it to not just be an accident, but for it to be an act of violence and murder by the mother of this child. I mean, I cannot imagine the deep pain. And that is why I think, by the way, it's hard in these moments to come across a particular way, like an attractive way on camera because you're suffering and struggling so much

and you're thinking about what everyone thinks and all of that. So I don't blame him at all for how he has sometimes come across and interviews. But that moment was so you can just tell he is doing his very, very best to hold it all together. Ross Douthit, he used to be a part of the New York Times, a writer for the New York Times. He's interviewed me. I think he's very good, very, very good interviewer. I think he was the right person for this. He asked Patrick about forgiving Lindsay, which really goes with the conversation that we had on Monday.

but I thought that this part was interesting. It's not too. I saw headlines that said, you know, killer mom and baby murderer, monster, and none of them were accurate. I believe that it was her mental illness that caused that. So I shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever.

Do you feel like you failed? in some way in this period, or do you feel like you did the best you could? I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? No. But I gave it to her. I think that's interesting.

I think it's interesting that she has never asked for his forgiveness. We did hear from the defense attorney that apparently since, this one quote unquote psychotic episode, she's been fine. Like she's been sleeping well. She's been mentally okay. Apparently she got on the right cocktail of drugs according to him. And that's not like your first priority. I mean,

imagine. I just, you know what it's like to be married, most of you. You know what it's like to have children, the connection, the bond that you have with them. Now maybe they just haven't had the ability to communicate to each other.

I don't know everything that's gone on behind the scenes, but I'd be writing letters. I'd be doing something. That would be like my highest priority at that point to be like, I'm sorry. I am so sorry. I wasn't in my right mind. Whatever it is and that apparently she hasn't made that attempt,

I think that's terrible. Now, as I said, the reaction online, not good by people who already didn't like him. I'm just going to read you some quotes for what people are saying. There was one TikTokers talked about this. And it was like, oh, he has no authentic emotion.

and then some of the comments underneath it. Yeah, as an empath, I felt nothing. And let me tell you, I cry on this app daily. Okay, say you have an unhealthy life without saying you have an unhealthy life. Can I just say something? I'm just going to say something that's going to make people upset because why not? Being an empath is not real. Okay, I just want you to know, like that's not a,

an actual thing. I know we're all looking for all the designations to be as special as possible. Like we've moved from just saying, I have empathy or I feel empathy or I feel deeply for people to calling ourselves something that sounds like an identity. No, it sounds like some forest creature. It sounds like, oh, you're a scimitar. I'm an empath. It's weird. It's not real. It's not real to have that as an identity or a diagnosis. Okay, you can feel deeply. You can be a deeply feeling person. I think that's real.

You can have, you can be someone who is ultra compassionate. That means you are sharing the suffering of other people. That is true. But this as like a designation for the type of person that you are, I don't think it's real. And I think that it is an excuse to be led by your emotions. and also it makes you sound like you're a good person without having to do anything for anyone.

Like you don't actually have to sacrifice for anyone. You don't actually have to be a good friend. You don't actually have to do the difficult things of helping someone because you're an empath. And that automatically makes you sound virtuous. But feeling some way for someone doesn't necessarily make you sound like a good person. And in this case, she's using her empath designation to say, look, I'm so in I understand people's feelings so much and the fact that I didn't feel anything for Patrick

Clancy speaks to something that's objectively true. That is dangerous. Someone said, why is he low-key smirking? Anyone who lost a child, someone else says, would cry at the retelling of events. Sorry, don't believe him at all. Well, you're a woman. I'm a woman. I wouldn't be able to retell it without crying. Men are not just different kinds of women. Like they are men. And men actually are able to compartmentalize their feelings better than women are. They are actually able typically to talk about tragic things without crying in a way that women typically are not. Women, on average, cry a lot more than men do. That's not bad for either sex. It just is what it is. And you can see he does almost start crying there. There's also something that if you've

never been on camera, you might not realize it can have one or one of two kinds of effects on you. And one is that it can immediately make you feel very emotional and like you're going to cry, or it can dry up all of your emotion because you're in adrenaline mode and you're thinking about these lights on, this camera on, this interview watching me, these millions of people watching me, this one particular person watching me and what they're going to think, a lot of people get on camera and they can say things that they wouldn't typically be able to say without crying. I definitely had to do that. Sometimes I'm telling you about a really, really difficult story. And because I want to be able to get through it and because I want to be able to explain something to you,

I have to lock into a different part of my brain to be able to explain this in a way that is a little bit emotionally removed from this story. And there are times, if you've been watching for a long time, where I cannot do that. I couldn't talk about the Covenant Christian school shooting in Nashville a few years ago without sobbing. I can't talk about what happened to Charlie Kirk and the plight of his wife and children without crying. But there are some times when we are able to remove ourselves just momentarily from the emotion all the story to be able to speak without crying. Like that is something that you have to do.

And maybe he was doing that in this case. Again, I don't think that he needs to be doing the media rounds right now. I just don't. At the same time, I feel very badly for him. At the same time, I think the people who are judging his guilt or his innocence based on vibes, that's wrong. I don't know why everyone has to put themselves in the place of judge and jury when it comes to something that has massive, massive implications for someone's life.

So how about we just pray for him? Pray for his wife. Pray for Lindsay Clancy. Pray for redemption. Pray for healing. Pray for justice to still be done here. All right. I think we only have time for one more segment.

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said something along the lines of, wow, I'm so proud of you looking around the house, all of your, all of the toys are beige. And I remember us then having a conversation about how the, you know, the colors of like red, green, yellow, orange and all those like loud colors when it comes to kids, toys are just ugly. And they mess up the aesthetic of the home. And now Little Tykes, they have just released what they're calling their cloud collection of toys. Little Tykes said the collection was designed with both children and parents in mind.

and responds to the growing popularity of neutral design-conscious children's products. So keep that picture up for a second. This is brilliant on Little Tikes part. This is so smart. I guarantee you this is going to fly off the shelves. You've got this just beige and white, like, you know, everyone had that little car that you run around with with your feet, got the little toy picnic stuff. you've got the wagons, you've got the basketball net,

and it's all in beige or white. Okay, so I have a couple different thoughts about this. I know on the one hand, people are going to be like, this is so awful. You're taking away fun and creativity and even the ability to teach colors to kids by making their world so blah. And I can see that, honestly.

I don't think that you should prioritize aesthetics and like, you know, uniform color coordinating over fun and creativity and learning for your child. I think that that is the Instagramification of our culture, that everything has to look the same and that we claim that colors over-stimulate us and everything's over-stimulating. I'm like, it's not the colors that are overstimulating. It's your phone. Get off your phone. It's scrolling constantly that's making you oversimulated.

not your kids, it's not cooking, it's not being like touched by your toddler. It's not the colors of the toys. It's your phone. Get off your phone. But anyway, so that's one side of the debate. On the other side of the debate, do I think that this is going to ruin kids if their toys are beige? No, I do not. It's actually the loud colors, the primary colors, the red, the green, all of that, that is new when you think about what children have had access to to to play with throughout history. Most of the time, it hasn't been plastic. It's been nature. Nature is largely beige and green and brown and white. Like if you think of toys that are made of wood, they were all beige for a very long time. And I think that those children who were playing with,

you know, the wooden rocking horses back in the 1800s are totally fine. I don't think that they missed out at all just because it wasn't painted, you know, blue and green. So this is what I'm talking about. Okay, this is like what things have typically looked like. Okay. We've got these full screens of like what the other kind of Fisher Price, little tykes stuff looks like. So you've got the yellow there. You've got this, which let's just be real. They're ugly. They're so ugly. If you spend time trying to curate your space and make it look pretty and then you have that in your living room, it's ugly. So I understand why people wouldn't want that. It messes it up. At the same time, there's a conversation to be at about like, does that even really matter?

I don't know. I kind of think it does. Maybe if you have a toy room where you have all of your toys in one place and your child really loves like the color, the color pink or the color purple or something, and that is joy inducing, then that's fine. But I think that if you have a smaller place, especially if you have an apartment and you've worked really hard to make it look a certain way, I think it's okay if you give your child a beige toy. It doesn't mean their life is boring.

Like if all of their vibrancy and their creativity and their imagination is coming from their plastic toys, that's a problem anyway. Like you could also, we could also be sending our kids outside. We could also be doing other things with our kids. rather than relying on the color of the plastic toys to foster imagination. So I think it's fine. I know people are criticizing this because they like to criticize millennials for being so, like,

anti-loud color, which I understand. I have liked beige and brown since long before this trend, I will say. But I think it's fine. Like, I think it's totally fine. Maybe I will also be buying some of these, some of these beige toys. but I am interested in what you think about this. Do you think that this is a sad commentary on where our culture has gone?

Do you think it's Instagram influencer culture that is forcing us to buy toys the color of oatmeal? Or do you just think it's the current trend? That's what people are going to do. The kids are going to be fine. A lot of these people, by the way, who are criticizing this, oh, it's so bland, it's so beige, it's so terrible.

Like, I guarantee they allow their kids to, they allow their kids to, you know, play on their iPad and things like that. That's my bigger concern. My bigger concern is kids on screens, kids not going outside. I don't really care what color your kid's plastic toy is. I think this is brilliant on behalf of Little Tykes. Also, if you have, I am someone who likes everything to look nice and clean and kind of uniform. Not all beige. I do like color, but neutrals are fine. And I like my, we have one of those Samsung frames screens, you know. And if you have children who are old enough to change that thing, you will walk into horrors. Your brain cannot even imagine when it comes to the art that they choose. Like the least pretty beige neutral art ever. It's like an explosion of candy. My daughter loves one that it's like pink background and it has all of the different brands

of candy. It's the background. Let me tell you that doesn't match the aesthetic of my house. but sometimes you do have to just choose things that bring your kids joy. So there's a balance here. That's what I would say. I don't end on like a hard conclusion. There's a balance here.

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