Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1400 | Ex-Psychic Warning: Witchcraft is Hidden in Kid's Entertainment

Episode Date: September 25, 2026

Former psychic medium who converted to Christianity, Jenn Nizza, joins Allie to discuss her new book “Darkness in Disguise” which warns about the occult and New Age practices. Jenn brings up controversial topics about Taylor Swift, Candace Owens, and the glamorization of the demonic in movies targeted at younger generations. Jenn grew up in a place where paranormal practices were common;  she had her first tarot card ready at 13 and explains that it was her gateway into demonic activity.  Jenn’s story is inspiring and offers a unique and important perspective when it comes to what is being accepted as normal, whether that is in movies or in the church. Jenn's new book is out now: https://a.co/d/0ffyXnB6 Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252  Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com – Time Codes 00:00 Intro 00:45 The Truth About Spiritual Deception 4:45 Glamorization Evil 11:33 Tarot Cards and Destruction 23:42 How Demons Deceive 30:27 Taylor Swift a Vessel of Destruction 39:58 Manifesting works 46:27 Demonic Messaging in Children’s Content 53:10 Dreams and Candace Owens 1:01:59 Jenn’s story of deliverance – Today's Sponsors: World Watch News | Visit https://worldwatch.news/allie or use promo code “ALLIE” to start your free trial today. Good Ranchers | For a limited time, you can get a free Ground Beef bundle with your first Good Ranchers or Just visit goodranchers.com/allie  to claim your free Ground Beef Bundle. Crowd Health | Join CrowdHealth to get started today for $99 a month for your first three months using code ALLIE at https://joincrowdhealth.com Concerned Women for America is the nation’s largest Christian public policy organization for women. Download your free guide today at https://ConcernedWomen.org/ALLIE. Pre-Born | To donate, dial #250 and say the keyword “BABY.” Or visit https://Preborn.com/ALLIE . Episodes You May Like: Ex-Psychic Says Taylor Swift Promotes Witchcraft | Guest: Jenn Nizza | Ep 1046 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Ik5GXx_ro   The Rise of 'Christian' Witchcraft | Guest: Hilary Kennedy | Ep 790 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K29ykwqtEA   Christian Women Are Falling For This New Age TikTok Belief | Ep 1395 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVp0KbXSTrU  --- ► Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on social media:  https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► "Relatable" merchandise — use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Every time I gave a reading, I was inviting more and more demons into my life. And they started to manifest truer to their evil nature. They never left me alone. I got to a point of such severe demonic oppression that I was on the brink of destruction. I did not know Jesus. God in His grace and mercy started drawing me to himself, really, by calling on the name of Jesus Christ. in the second of near destruction. It shocked me.

It completely shocked me. Jen, thanks so much for joining us again. The first time you came on, it's been a couple of years now. Your testimony, I mean, it spread like wildfire because you are such a talented, God-given talent, but a talented messenger of your testimony. And the truth about spiritual deception, and I'm so glad that you've written this. this book. It's called Darkness and Disguise, a biblical warning about spiritual deception in our culture. First, before we get into the contents of your book, I want to back up for people who might not remember

might not know a little bit about your story. You were just a child when you were exposed to things like witchcraft and necromancy. Can you talk about that a little bit more? Yeah, absolutely. And I just want to thank you for having me on, Allie. I so appreciate that. When I was a child, I was in a home with my mom and dad and sister, and we talked about ghosts, and we talked about paranormal activity in my home. My great aunt was a psychic. And, you know, Allie, reflecting through the years that I've been in ministry,

I realized that there were many doors open for me. I was watching a lot of the witchy movies, cartoons. They were loaded even back then. specifically Disney. So doors were open for me. And I had no spiritual discernment, which is why I argue that children are extremely susceptible to the spiritual dangers that are out there. I couldn't have a developed discernment. So I was afflicted by premonitions. And that was right before I ended up having a tarot card reading, which was the gateway for me that led me down a rabbit hole of destruction, led me right into divination for years of my life. And how old were you when you had

your first tarot card reading? Yeah, I was 13 years old and things were very different in 1990, Ellie. Things were different than we weren't watched. There was no TikTok, no witch talk, no Google, no Instagram. We didn't have those things. We had maybe some psychic commercials, but this was a very intriguing experience for me, a very, very intriguing experience for me. And especially because the stage was already set, I think about it that, you know, I was a very vulnerable young lady dealing with issues that many teenage girls deal with today, self-esteem issues, curiosities, you know, and insecurities. And that's the vulnerability that the enemy preys on.

So without knowing what a tarot card reading really was, I just knew that it might offer me some answers, something supernatural, and I was super excited about it. And it was, it delivered. Let me tell you, delivered something. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you mentioned, I want to go back to. one thing that you mentioned that growing up watching witches on TV and movies, which is considered

harmless. Of course, I remember when I was little watching things like Pocus Pocus on Disney Channel. Disney, when I was little 90s, early 2000s, had a lot of paranormal type shows that you could watch. And then outside of Disney, there's like goosebumps, are you afraid of the dark? And I wasn't allowed really to watch these things. But you know how it goes. sometimes you sneak behind your parents back or maybe you watch a scene and you regret it and you are scared of it. And honestly, I didn't really think that much of it. Certainly not from a theological perspective. But now when we look at what Disney is putting forward and other outlets and

other networks, like there's this movie called Hext. And the way that I think this kind of movie is different than even the witchy type movies that we might have watched growing up is that that it's presenting witchcraft and being witch, not as a bad thing, not as like the evil witch from Snow White, but actually possibly as a good thing, as a neutral thing, or even as a superpower. So I wonder what you think about that. To me, that seems even more dangerous than watching these kind of ugly bad witches that we were used to when we were kids. You really hit the nail on the head without an alley. And I am very outspoken about Hext, perhaps not as much about as I am about Taylor Swift,

but I've been making videos, warning people about Hex. You have an excellent point that, you know, Satan masquerades as an angel of light. And I always say that when somebody pictures a witch, they think of this dark, scary figure, kind of like you mentioned in the old Disney movies, they had that horrific, you know, representation.

But then you take people that were like me, I mean, I would do a reading wearing this outfit sitting across from you. You take Teresa Caputo, the Long Island Medium. She looks, you know, nice and innocent. She's an interesting person, too. I met her years ago, of course. But now we take Hext and we present witchcraft this way, almost like I think of Wicked as well with white witchcraft.

And it makes it very alluring. And in the movie Hext, we meet Charlie, who is a teenage girl. girl who is kind of a misfit and dealing with these problems. And then here's this offer of witchcraft. You know, here's a power for you. Here's, here's a way that maybe you can control your circumstances, which it is what it's all about. But Disney will stop at nothing in my opinion to constantly glorify, glamorize the demonic and witchcraft. They just change it up a little bit. Mm-hmm. You said something really interesting right there. You said that's what it's all about. You're talking about witchcraft is really about wanting to control. Can you unpack that a little

bit? Yeah, absolutely. So what Satan offers us in witchcraft is if you say a spell, if you visualize, these, you know, he has many different tools of divination through witchcraft, psychics. Where we look at Deuteronomy, 18, 10, to 12. We'll see those practices there. Of course, tarot cards, crystals, that you can control your own circumstances, that you can have power to change things and create things in your life. Who doesn't want that? Who doesn't want that? But that is always what it's going to be about.

You know, I say, Ali, Satan wanted to be God and he wants you to think that you can be God too. And this is so, so convincing. He makes it convincing, especially like the example. just gave through hex, if I think it's okay, seemingly innocent, may be good for me. I'm not going to question it. I'm not going to see it as evil. I'm going to see it as a solution.

Yeah, and you mentioned that when you were a teenager, you felt as a lot of teenage girls do. There's a time that everyone feels awkward. Everyone feels left out. Everyone wants to be understood and seen and known and to feel like they have control of their circumstances. So even without a lot of the social media propaganda that we have today, you found through witchcraft, through tarot card reading, the thing that you felt like you were looking for. Talk more about that. Yeah, 100% because I was given what I believed was a gift. And what this gift did, which of course it's not a gift, was made me special. It made me different.

And I truly wanted to help people, Ali. I truly wanted to help people, especially the grieving people, connect with who I believed were deceased people when I was a psychic medium doing readings that way. The enemy prayed on my compassion, but rose me up. He rose me up. I didn't have to feel so awkward anymore. I was a psychic medium. People were coming to me.

And I didn't walk around cocky by any means, but it is. It is and it isn't. Do you know what I mean? Like you're not presenting it that way in that, oh, look at me, look at me. But that's the feeling that you have inside. And I did have that feeling inside. And it's very interesting because it's destructive. Pride is destructive to start.

But those people that were coming to me, it became that they just wanted to be around me because I was a psychic medium, what is she going to tell me? Am I going to get a reading? Am I going to get a random reading? Let's do lunches. Let's do dinners. And then when I got together with some of the top mediums on Long Island, I felt seen and known and special. And that, oh boy, that was extremely deceiving and extremely destructive in my life. But there it was this little counterfeit gift. Quick pause to tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is World Watch News. So you want your kids to be in the know. You want them to know what's going on in the world and in our country, especially if they're preteen teen, but you're not just going to let them watch CNN or even any of

the other mainstream media outlets. And you're certainly not going to hand them a phone to just like scroll through Instagram to figure out what's going on. You want a place where they can become more knowledgeable and become more biblically wise. And that's why I love World Watch. This is part of World Media Group, World Magazine. I've written many op-eds for World Magazine. They're the real deal. They are filtering news events from a biblical worldview through a biblical worldview. And no sensationalism, no hyperbole, none of the clickbait stuff that you see so often everywhere on social media. Your team. we'll get to know what is going on in the news, but will also be given the peace and the clarity

that comes from biblical wisdom. Go to worldwatch.news slash alley. And if you use code alley, you get a 30 day free trial. See if you like it for you and your family. Worldwatch. news slash alley, code alley. So you grew up feeling like you were special, even before this hero card reading, you said that you had premonitions, that you kind of felt like maybe I do have some kind of connection to the supernatural. And the tarot card reading, what exactly did that confirm for you in your mind? Well, what the tarot card reading confirmed for me is that there is something higher. There is some sort of source of hidden knowledge.

And it doesn't have to be bad. It wasn't bad. The woman was really nice. What I heard in the reading was okay. So maybe this is just this, you know, powerful source of wisdom, of answers. Like I just mentioned, the solution, right? I always say, you know, the devil doesn't appear as that redhorned cartoonification. Forgive me, cartoonification.

He will appear as your dream come true, as a healing, as this counterfeit joy. what have you. So the confirmation for me, again, was that the supernatural is real. There is a source of power, and I can tap into it too, just like this lady did. And did you have moments following that when you started doing your own tarot card readings and you started doing your own, I don't know if you ever did palm readings, but readings of people. Did you have some confirmations there where something that you predicted or some insight that you gave to someone, it really came true? I would say that was a majority of my readings, Ellie. I used tarot cards. I used angel cards. I did chakra balancing and I did psychic mediumship readings. And I will share with you. I'll

never forget this. And I've not shared this with anybody, actually. I did a reading for a couple. and in that reading, you know, the demons masquerading as their departed loved ones told me that they were going to get pregnant and told me around when they were going to get pregnant. Now, these were people dealing with fertility issues. Time passes by. I get a phone call. Well, it's them. They want to come back for a reading because all of that information was correct in the reading. and after all, even John Edward couldn't tell them that.

So I was a great medium and they wanted to come back to hear more. And there's a reason why demons make these excellent guesses. They don't know the future, but they've been observing for ages. And those demons most definitely knew that those people were talking to the doctors, hearing the conversations, knowing the times, knowing the schedules, and have done this for ages. Not a difficult prediction to make on behalf of demons who are intelligent and powerful creatures.

It was not any knowledge of my own, of course, but yeah, a lot of accuracy in the readings. And most of that accuracy would be in the past, of course, because demons don't know. But you know, Allie, that's the hook. And then the predictions also can come true by way of planting these seeds in the mind of the person to fulfill, self-fulfill the counterfeit prophecy.

Wow. And tell me, I want to hear more about demons because I think that's something that's just a lot of people don't understand how demons think, how demons work, and how demons work through witchcraft. But I want to hear how you came to that revelation. And if you got out of this very lucrative career, this career that makes a lot of, made you feel seen and known and famous and powerful, what hits you? That, wow, I cannot keep doing this.

After 25 years of dealing with the demonic alley, every time I got a reading, every time I gave a reading, I was inviting more and more demons into my life. And they started to manifest truer to their evil nature. They never left me alone. I would call it chatter. they were always chattering in my ear. And what happened was I got to a point of such severe demonic oppression. I mean severe demonic oppression that I was on the brink of destruction.

And trust me, and I was 36 years old, the end of my 36 year. And I did not contemplate anything. I did not know Jesus. I did not think who can help me, who can rescue me. God in his grace and mercy drew me to. to start to draw me to himself, really, by calling on the name of Jesus Christ in the second of near destruction. And it shocked me. It completely shocked me. But, you know, I didn't know the gospel. I didn't know I was a sinner that needed to be saved. I didn't know that Jesus died on the cross for my sins. I didn't know that by placing my faith and trust in him, I could be truly delivered out of my bondage of sin and into the light and kingdom of Christ Jesus. So I became very spiritually vulnerable because I truly didn't understand why didn't I call upon my spirit guide or my deceased grandmother.

So that was a 10-month journey that resulted in becoming born again after hearing and believing the gospel that was preached to me in a church one day, later on at the age of 37. Wow. And so before that, you were kind of doing okay. I mean, you were doing well. There were happy moments. you were calling upon your spirit guy, you were calling upon your ancestors, you felt like they were uniquely guiding you and blessing you. You were happy. What did that oppression kind of suddenly look like?

You must have been very thrown off and confused. Oh, 3 million percent. I mean, when the oppression started, it came in the way of anxieties, depression, complete demonic annoyance. I will say by them constantly talking to me, you know, just just weighing on me all the time. And my relationships where, I mean, I manifested a relationship that was a complete toxic, utter disaster, completely toxic and utter disaster.

Yeah. And that's, you know, something that is still going on today, of course, manifestation and the law of attraction. But I did that. I made a vision board. And I manifested this person. And so that's... was part of the oppression as well. You know, be careful not only what you ask for, but who you ask for. You just might get it. And that's exactly what was happening to me. The more I was invoking demons, the more they were, you know, coming upon me and so many things, abusive relationships, tumultuous relationships, and a lot of other sin that came with following the devil, Ali, but I still thought I was a good guy. I thought I was the good guy.

I wasn't evil. I wasn't unholy. I was living in the dark. I was spiritually blind. And I was quickly heading towards the destruction. So when I started to see these, when I started to see the demons manifest truer to their nature, I simply thought I wasn't doing enough on my end that I needed to protect myself more with more tools of protection, false tools of protection, smudging, crystals, imagining white light around myself. It was something that I believed I could have control and authority over. And now, of course, I know that only Jesus has authority over demons. They bowed down to him alone. But I didn't know that then. And the New Age community was pushing that out. And I believed every single thing the New Age community told me because it was an explanation for things.

So I managed to not put the two together when I saw the bad spirit or the dark thing. I didn't put that together with it had anything to do with what I was doing as a psychic medium because I was doing good and I had a gift and I need to use it. Right. Yeah, you says in things there that are so important that one, the demons started kind of manifesting their true nature. and you had mentioned earlier, the biblical truth that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So thus far,

the demons had kind of been trying to demonstrate that they're on your team, that they're on your side. No, we want your happiness. We want your success. We're helping you out. We're giving you insight. Of course, you wouldn't have called them demons.

You would have thought of them as good spirits, as spiritual guides and things like that. But then when they started pushing you in toxic directions, when you started feeling like, I can't go on anymore. I think I just want to end this. When you started having bad relationships, all of these spirits that you probably thought were different spirits,

but you now realize they're the same spirits. They're like, okay, let's get her to this place of isolation and despair and destruction. So we can take her out forever. Of course, that's how that spiritual battle and Satan works. And you found yourself in the midst of that calling out to Jesus, this person, this God, that you had never before a scribal. any kind of salvific power to, right? Yeah, absolutely.

And, you know, I'm thinking while we're talking, it reminds me of so much of what we're seeing today. You know, I'm very passionate about addressing this in our culture. And I'm just thinking of the Ariana Grande's and, you know, the Jenna Ortega's. And, you know, and you actually, Perez Hilton, we are witnessing in real time the results of the demonic servitude. And so as you put it in my own case, absolutely. Here's a little something for you, but you see ultimately from Satan, but I'm going to end up throwing you in the trash can.

You know, Satan has come to steal, kill, and destroy. And it will destroy you. It's just a matter of time. I wasn't on, you know, a camera. I wasn't out there. But we are witnessing that now. We are seeing the destruction. I had the eating disorder as well.

little by little what seems so great is going to blow up because it is demonic and it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It is so scary, honestly, Ali. And I don't think that people need to be afraid. The whole idea is that you just have to be aware and come to Christ because he is our protector. Another pause to tell you about our next sponsor. And that is Good Ranchers. We've been relying on Good Ranchers in our home for five years. Just last night, I made some good ranchers bacon. And I, a couple days ago, made some ground beef cassidias. We bake their chicken multiple times a week because it's just so versatile. You can use it for everything. And I just love knowing that it's high quality, that it's from an American farmer ranch. There's also just

a piece of mind that comes with knowing that you've got a freezer full of all American high quality meat. It saves time. It saves effort. And I always have a really important piece of my meal accounted for with Good Ranchers. Plus, this is a Christian family-owned company. They love America, and they just want to serve you and serve farmers and ranchers in this way. Go to good ranchers.com slash Alley to claim your free ground beef bundle. That's good ranchers.com slash alley. So you realize that Jesus is your deliverer. You didn't know the gospel, though. You started going to church. You heard the gospel. You were saved by the gospel. And of course, You are where you are now, by the grace of God, sharing your testimony, warning people about

the dangers of witchcraft and necromancy and how we can see it in ways that we're not really expecting. And I think people just don't realize one of these aspects is the demonic activity, that it's not always plain. It's not always obviously causing strife, causing depression, causing anxiety, causing addiction. Sometimes it's actually giving us what we want. And yes, even giving insight and wisdom.

that makes us feel powerful, which makes sense when you think about the Garden of Eden, like, eat this and you're going to have knowledge of the difference between good and evil. You're going to be like God if you do this. It's the same kind of thing today. Talk a little bit more about your revelation and you're now growing understanding of how demons operate, how you think they best deceive people. Yeah. I think that they best deceive people by presenting as light as they masquerade as light.

They prey on the vulnerabilities. So they best deceive people by making it look acceptable, by making it trendy, by making it glamorous. No, we didn't need social media, but social media has done a great job at being used by the enemy to pollute the minds and souls of many, many people, especially targeting children. Because, you know, Ali, it's so easy. hey, just get a 12-month forecast, an astrological forecast, because you've been thinking about this particular thing and you're wanting to know how it's going to pan out, or you're worried about something. I feel that feelings often are what brings people to psychics, mediums, et cetera. And of course, the promotion of white witchcraft, you know, it doesn't have to be a bad thing.

It can be okay. So through the music industry, through cinema, this is what's going on. I would argue that you can't walk out into a store without encountering the occult of the new age. So just to stay on the line of your question, well, you're a teenage girl, you're in CVS, you're going to buy some candy or something. I don't know what team, magazines or what have you. And there are those chakra candles. And they're so pretty. They're green and they're pink and they're pastel colors and they're offering you.

confidence, they're offering you peace, they're offering you joy. What are teenage girls battling with? Well, how are they going to know that there's something wrong with a chakra and a chakra candle? So the enemy is using his trickery by disguising it as light and hiding it in plain sight. That's what he's doing. Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. I was thinking about like when I was probably preteen, maybe even younger than that, we had power beads. And the power beads were meant to give you certain protections or, you know, certain moods or emotions or something like that. I even think about today with essential oils, I'm not saying all essential oils are bad. I love the smell of eucalyptus and lavender. I think these are derived from nature, which God made.

but you'll see with some essential oils how almost like a fruit of the spirit is ascribed to it. Like this is going to give you joy. This is going to cleanse your mind of any negative thought. This is going to make you a more positive person. And so even things that in one context can be okay can very quickly be manipulated into convincing you that this thing can give you power. and that is so enticing. Oh, yeah, that's absolutely enticing. And it makes me think of the name and claim it a little bit

because there we take some parallels between the new age and we bring it into the church. And so just like you were stating, even if there are things that you want that are good, right, or even if you think about manifesting, speaking something into existence, well, I'm not trying to put a curse on anybody. I don't mean any harm.

I want to do good things. I just want good things. I want to draw this thing to myself. And so if I can visualize it, maybe it's health. Maybe it's an answer to the health issue you've been dealing with her many years. Maybe it's a new job. Maybe you don't have one and you need to pay your bills, right? So there is nothing wrong with those things, with those desires.

It's where you take them to. And success is not measured by. whether something works, right? Because it works. Manifesting works. And I'm sure even in the, you know, the prosperity gospel, I'm sure there are going to be times that it works. You can't attribute truth to that. Just because something works, just because something is successful, you've got something that you wanted doesn't mean it's not the counterfeit, doesn't mean that it's godly, and doesn't mean that it's not, you know, that it's rooted in truth. So we need to go to the Bible. we need to go to the Bible and test all spirits.

That's what we need to do because the line is so thin, Allie, even what you just mentioned with the essential oils, the line is so thin. It can be so convincing. And when we think about the counterfeit that Satan has for so many things, the word counterfeit means cheap imitation intended to deceive. That's how close it can look. That's how close. And that's why I'm so concerned about children. Because like I said, they don't have the discernment that we have. And parents have been given a beautiful job and responsibility by God to pray with them,

pray for them, protect them, guard them, read the Bible with them. And be aware, Allie, of what's going on in our culture. I know many Christians that were like, hey, what's wrong with a Taylor Swift concert? what's wrong with Lady Gaga, you know, going to the concert? And, you know, their friends are doing it or what have you. What's wrong with those candles, right? Or getting a palm reading or what have you. It's just, we have to be aware because it's so manipulative.

The enemy is so manipulative and he's crafty. There are people listening who have no clue what you're talking about. when you make a connection between Taylor Swift and Palm Reading. They're like, come on, she's a pop star. What point are you trying to make? Well, she's a pop star that's using her platform for the enemy. She quite honestly, and that's, we pray for her, and I will pray for her, but she is being used as a vessel of destruction because she is promoting and glamorizing

new age and occult ideologies and practices like karma, and especially numerology, by the way. She's obsessed with the number 13. And she makes decisions based on this number, and she goes to this number for wisdom, and she talks about it openly. This isn't some sort of, you know, she's not hiding out, pretending to, you know,

be so wonderful anymore and practicing this on the side. She appeared as somebody so innocent and Christian-like in the beginning, and I really believe that's how the enemy does this because then you get your gathering, that you're gathering. Then you get your cult, if you will, C-U-L-T. You get your platform. You get your followers, right? The Swifties came in. And then the darkness starts to come out. And that is to, of course, indoctrinated,

indoctrinate masses of people, masses of people. So it is the same thing. Numerology, you know, karma, which of course is attached to a false religion, doctrine of demons. All of this is the very same thing as a palm reading, a tool of divination and witchcraft. It's all the same thing. You talked about in the first episode that we did together a couple years ago, this idea of like the invisible thread that she talks about. That's like a very new age concept. Can you break that down a little bit again? I'd be happy to. I actually just pushed out another video about that alley because it's still going on and we're seeing that double downed on TikTok. So the invisible string theory is the idea that there is an invisible string around one of your

fingers and an invisible string around another person's finger that is kind of like your twin flame, the person you're meant to be with. And what happens is that you have met each other at one point in time. maybe we were at the grocery store, you know, 10 years ago. And now life has gone on and we're married and, you know, to other people and whatever. But now I meet up with you again in the park. I see, oh, didn't I run into you like 10 years ago? And wow, you're captivating.

Like, this is so interesting. Maybe you're my invisible string. The person who I'm fated to be with. You're really my person. Now I need to go get a divorce and I need to be with you. And this ties, like I said, very closely to the twin flame, ties closely to the twin flame concept. And of course, it is a doctrine of demons, meaning a teaching of demons and not the Holy Spirit. There is no such thing as an imaginary string around anybody's finger.

and who we marry is not and should not be determined on any sort of demonic practice. Of course. It's destruction. And you can see that in the way of how it leads to adultery, divorce, et cetera. And then people just, like I said, they double down on it. Social media doubles down on it. Documentaries will then repush it out, you know, maybe on Netflix with the Twin Flame and what have you. But that's the idea of the invisible string in a nutshell.

next sponsor is crowd health. This is another sponsor that chief related bro and I use. We have dealt with all different kinds of health insurance and health insurance plans. And they always just get so complicated and so expensive. It can feel like you don't have health insurance even when you do. It can make you sicker when you don't need to feel sicker. You want to get healthy and your health insurance isn't helping you on that journey at all. That's why we've opted out. And we use crowd health. We love crowd health. It's a community of people. people who have decided to stop letting profit-driven insurance companies call the shots. You don't have doctors now works.

You don't have restrictions. You have freedom. Personal care advocates who fight for you. Bill negotiators who slash what you owe. Prescription discounts, a database to help you find great affordable doctors if you need them. I was at my baby appointment the other day and the sweet phlebotomist was just floored that we didn't have insurance.

And she was like, oh, you really, you're going to have to negotiate the price for this, you know, for this particular procedure, for us drawing your blood, they've got the bill negotiators and the advocates who are going to fight for me and are going to make sure that we have the lowest cost possible. And that's why I love them so much. So opt out. Take your power back. Be a part of a community focused on advocating for your family's health. Join crowd health today. Start for $99 a month for your first three months when you use my code alley. Join crowdhealth.com code alley. Crowdhealth is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we we win. Join crowdhealth.com code Allie. And it does just speak to kind of all new age ideas,

that there is a transcendent powerful force, like the new age doesn't deny that. There are spiritual forces. Obviously, you believed that for a very long time. They have the ability to orchestrate events in your life. They have the ability to give you wisdom and insight. But they're not the thing that's different. Of course, there's many things by nature that are different than, um, than, than God, but is that they don't set rules for your life. They're not saying this is a standard of morality that you have to reach. They're not saying this is the way of salvation. It's just the kind of universe organizing things. If you do the right things, have the right crystals, have the right readings and all of that. If you have the right energy, if you have good karma,

organizing things in your favor, you could see how that would be very comforting. If you're like, I don't like religion, I don't want to be a Christian, I don't want to have to give things out. I just want to be able to manifest what I want. Like you could see how that would be very enticing for someone who calls themselves spiritual and not religious. It really is just about like the worship of the self and the focus of the self and almost a spiritual justification for self-senderness in so many ways. Oh, one million percent.

And it affirms sin, right? Because I can't help that I just did that thing on the Capricorn. So it's not my fault that I acted that way. I need to make this decision to be with so-and-so because they match up with my love, language, energy, vibe, this, that, and the other thing. So it makes sense why I need to make that decision. You're never accountable, Allie, for anything because you're your own authority. And if the universe is your authority, which it's not to the new age, or please don't get me

wrong. The idea is that the universe will assist you in getting things you want. It's really all about you. You're your own authority. And no, you don't have to be accountable. And love is love. And that's the affirmation of sin. And what does the affirmation of sin really do, right? It just gets people to like you. People will like you. People don't like to hear the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ because it pushes back on the sin. Accountability before the Lord is so important, not justifying sin, but being accountable for it and asking for forgiveness. And it's amazing because there's so much freedom in Christ in that. But in the new age, what's good is bad and what's bad is good. It's backwards. It's upside down land, really, you know, opposite land, whatever they call it.

So it is appealing, though, of course, because it comes back to the power and the control. And trust me, Ali, there are people going through so many things in their life that they want to control. I mean, for heaven's sakes, not to throw this one in there real quick, but even with in regards to things that are happening in the world, the Clancy case, right? We saw people doing astrology charts trying to figure things out because they have feelings about what's going on. They want to see justice done. Also, they've been led down some conspiracy theories. So they want to get to the heart of the matter. And they believe by going to these tools of divination, getting some sort of instant gratification through demonic tools, will give them that. And of course, it doesn't. It can't provide that at all whatsoever.

Anytime something big happens in the news, I always say this witches want to weigh in, but you don't necessarily have to be a public witch. You may be in your own home, and you may decide to pull a tarot card that day. And maybe it's not even about what's going on in the macrocosm. Maybe it's what's going on in the microcosm of your own life. And you're trying to do the same thing and find out if things are going to be okay, will things be okay, et cetera. So again, it comes back to that idea of control and power. I see that a lot with the manifesting and the vision boards that you're talking about.

And you've already drawn the parallel between that and then also the name it and claim it. If I sow the seat of faith, if I give enough money, if I pray the right prayer, then God, he basically has to. He's like a genie in a bottle. This is the formula he's going to give me what I want. It's the same thing with manifesting. But it's interesting, which you've said a couple times. manifesting can work.

Vision boards can work. And so can you talk about how does Satan work through those things to actually give someone the desires of their heart? Yeah. It's as usual trickery. So by that, I mean, like I made this vision board. I was very specific with it. I was very specific with my manifesting list.

You have to be very specific with it. And you have to visualize it, stay positive, believe it. Here's what happens. If something comes along that matches up so closely, so closely, you will believe it was because of your manifesting, which now gives the practice credibility. So let's say I put, you know, 10 things on my vision board and I come across, okay, the apartment in Miami or whatever, right? And five or six things about this particular apartment match up. Not everything, but I don't need everything because I can justify the things that don't match up. I just need something to resonate to give it that credibility.

And that's exactly how it is with readings. The readings, I often give this analogy, a tarot card reading. You're a single person. The tarot card reader tells you that you're going to meet, you know, the King of Pentacles, brown hair, brown eyes. He's a earth sign, blah, blah, blah, because they will overlap, of course, the tools of divination. the ideas. And his name starts with the letter M. Okay. Now you're out in the dating pool. Well, you're going to reject David. You're going to reject David. And especially if David has

blonde hair and blue eyes, he doesn't match up. So you're really, again, self-fulfilling a counterfeit prophecy. When you manifest, the universe isn't going to tend to your needs, isn't going to be able to give you anything. This is idolatry. Your own. imagination cannot, okay? But you're invoking demons because now you've stepped into divination. You've gone outside of God's will and boundaries. You've taken the desires of your heart and you've put them out there to sources that are not God, to creation, which we know in Romans 1, we see that that we, you know, we've traded in. People trade in creation for the creator, the creator for his creation and gone and made idols out of them. So that's exactly when you do those

practices, you're invoking demons and demons are powerful and they can manipulate and plant those seeds in your mind that you actually believe and give that credibility to the demonic tool, you know, thereby thinking it's, you know, so does it work? Yes, it works, but it is not because, you know, demons know the future, the universe did anything for you. It's because you most likely assisted the devil and followed the seeds that he planted in your mind. And by the way, Satan, I think you tell me if I'm wrong, it doesn't seem to me like he really cares about whether or not you say it was Satan who gave me these things, which most people won't do, or it was me who gave me these things. I gave me these things. I'm so strong. I'm so

smart. I'm so powerful. I'm so in tune with what my future should be that I was able to manifest these things. I don't think Satan cares whether or not he gets the credit. He just wants the soul. He just wants the attention and the glory away from the God, the giver of good gifts. He is perfectly fine with someone thinking they worship the God of self. It's basically the same thing. Again, going back to the garden, he convinced Eve that she was going to be like God, convincing her that she will become the God of self. She will have all this wisdom and power. So some people might be hearing this and be like, what? It's innocent. I would never pray to Satan.

I would never say that Satan gave me these things. This is just me. It's personal. Satan does not care whether or not he gets the credit or not. If you're worshiping yourself, he's just as happy. Oh, absolutely. And I think about the counterfeit again, the counterfeit evangelism, because now then you go out, Allie, right?

You got this thing and it looks good and you don't mean any harm. And this is just your personal thing and it's just about me. And now you're telling people about it and you're going out there. Or maybe you're making a TikTok video about it. See, I did the vision board. I manifested and look what happened. And it's wonderful. And it has no bad effects on anybody.

It's just that. So you're right. He doesn't need to get the credit for it. He just needs you to do his dirty work. And he just needs you to believe in yourself. Anything that distracts you from the truth. Anything that gets you away from Jesus Christ. You said it perfectly.

He just wants your soul. You know, I see this so much with being a mom of kids and especially in my oldest, just getting older and starting to really notice things and, you know, wanting to be entertained by different songs and people. And I just pay such close attention to the lyrics. And my parents did too growing up. But that was more like, we're not going to let you listen to sexual stuff, cussing and all of that, which I'm very glad for those parameters. But today, I'm listening to music that doesn't have. any of that. It's not explicit, but it's all about like Barbie, for example. We just like, we're like, we can't do anything. No shows, no music, Barbie, because every single song is about loving yourself and

believing in yourself. You have the power. And if you are just more yourself and you live out your authentic expressions, then you'll have all the power that you need to accomplish anything that you want in life. And yeah, that's not the same thing as it's not like, it's not as explicit as saying something horrible and vulgar. But it is still giving a message to young vulnerable girls that instinctively and in our flesh we want to hear that we're perfect the way we are. And all we need to do is to think about ourselves more. And then we can accomplish anything. We can be anything we want to be. And I'm like, I, I, no, we're not doing this anymore because every song, prompted a conversation, which is a good conversation.

We had some good conversations about those, about some of those lyrics at first before I realized. But then I was like, you know what? This isn't even fair that I'm making you try to jump these theological hoops. It was only like a couple weeks of listening to these songs that I was like, no. I see why you think they're fun and they are catchy. But no, because it's laying the exact opposite theological foundation. then the one that I want to be set for her,

which is that all of your sufficiency and strength and wisdom and power is going to come from Christ, not from yourself at all. Next sponsor is Concerned Women for America. I get asked a lot, how do I get involved? What do I do? I feel like I'm not doing enough. Well, you know, different seasons come with different demands.

You've got a lot of little kids running around. You don't have capacity to be a full-time advocate or activist. I totally understand. Me neither. But there is always something that we can do. And in order to really be involved and make any sort of impact, whatever season you're in, you have to be educated. That's why Concern Women for America exist.

They exist to educate women on the issues that matter. How can we not just politically, but in our communities, make a difference for biblical truth. They have this sanctity of life booklet that they're giving away that equips young women for conversations we are facing about life, about abortion, tools to give you good answers and good responses when you are met with this kind of adversarial rhetoric when it comes to abortion specifically. If you give a gift of $25 to Concern Women for America, they will send you this new super handy sanctity of life booklet. Just go to concernedwomen.org slash alley. That's concernedwomen.com. So talk a little bit more about that, that for the parent out there who's like,

well, of course, I don't believe in witchcraft. I don't believe in manifesting. I don't believe in tarot card reading, I'm not going to allow my child to do that. It doesn't always look like witchcraft when it comes to the things that your kids are consuming, though, right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it just looks like something that you were talking about hidden in a Barbie movie. I mean, nostalgia plays a big part. It'll be something, again, that focuses on yourself, on the idea of your heart of love, wishing on things like the Disney wishing upon a star, you know, and just be you and unfortunately we're seeing such disastrous things going on in our culture that are very terrifying quite honestly that revolves around you can you can be whoever you want and if you're

not comfortable with where you are you can change things about yourself you know I'm tip-tong around this a little bit you can change things about yourself because it's going to come back to that well you know what that is Ellie it's a confusion of identity that's what it is so even by puffing young ladies up with the Barbie song, it's all about you. It's to puff you up, right? And yes, you're right. We do want to be puffed up in a sense, not in that arrogant way, but we want to feel secure. And you're right, that security is in Christ.

But the enemy attacks through identity, sex, gender, weight, hair color, you know, whatever it may be, anything to confuse that person and get them away from having a real identity. a liberating and salvific identity in Christ Jesus. Yeah. I think people, especially today, because we imbibed so much of this, like, even in the church, like this just self-esteem culture that, oh, my gosh, the biggest problem that women have is not feeling good about themselves. Like, people just don't want to say that so many of the struggles that we have is really, they come down to pride.

They come down to vanity. They come down to just wanting to be in control. People get mad at me. When I talk about, I struggled with an eating disorder. or two when I was in college. Yes, there's an aspect of wanting to be in control and addiction and things like that. But people don't like it when I say, I also just wanted to look a certain way. I also wanted just attention. I was vanity for me too, superficiality. Like we try to pathologize everything into some kind of, you know, diagnosis. And sometimes we just discount sin. And I think we

need to realize, especially like with our daughters, how early that can start. Of course, they're beautiful. We want them to know they're made in the image of God that he fearfully and wonderfully made them and all of those things. But we need to make sure that they are deriving their confidence from the right places, not from their own power. Because to me, that's what lays the groundwork for some of this really, really dark and evil stuff. Yeah, absolutely. It's through our sin that the doors will be open, Ali, too, through our own sin, through our pride, and I'm glad

that you called it out for what it is. That's fantastic. That's part of it, of course, right? And we know there's a spiritual battle going on. The Bible is clear about that. I mean, we see that in Ephesians 6, we see at 2nd Corinthians 10, starting in verse 3, and when God's

talking about the spiritual battle, you know, it's interesting, the battle really starts in the mind. So once those thoughts, we want to get those out quickly, right? We want to ask the Lord to govern over our thoughts. The Bible says to take our thoughts captive and make them obedient to Christ. So once these thoughts start coming in about ourselves and how great we should be or how we should look, does that line up with the Word of God? No, that's not where our identity is, but we've got to start there. And I think you're making an excellent example by talking to your children

and going over these things with them so that they can understand. And I pray that more people would hear that and do that as well because those thoughts can escalate very quickly and then those thoughts go into your heart and then can go into your actions and again the children are so they're so susceptible really they're so vulnerable honestly so yeah absolutely be aware of the battle that's going on and the influence because once you have that door open whether it's through sin unforgiveness witchcraft, divination, whatever it may be, then you've got to ask the Lord, you know, what doors you have already opened

and then ask him to help you to close them and pray about those things, of course. Don't let them continue or fester. One thing you write about that I just want to make sure that we discuss because this is something that I haven't thought about a lot, but you talk about really thoroughly, is how Satan can actually work through our thoughts

and dreams. Like there is some debate among Christians like can Satan do that? Does he actually have the power to be in our minds? Does he have the power over our dreams?

But you've written about his ability to manipulate these things. So what does that look like? Yeah, sure. So let's say I'm in a spiritual, vulnerable place.

You know, maybe something just happened. So either, you know, you become physically sick or, you know, weak in some way. then I can be susceptible to, you know, the entities that are hovering around. The Bible says that the devil prows around seeking to whom he may devour.

So if the devil can manipulate them, my thoughts, I'm already in this maybe not a great place. And it's like, oh, you know, yeah, maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe it's something about me back to me, right? Maybe all these things. And then the enemy just has to, you know, give me that, that. little nudge, you know, maybe control circumstances around me in a sense, you know, manipulate some things that I see something on TV and I'll think it's like a confirmation. Like, you know, when you get in that position, it can be very bad for you. He absolutely attacks in dreams.

Absolutely attacks in dreams. And we see this commonly with familiar spirits. Many people have dreams about their departed loved ones. Now, I'm not saying every dream about a departed loved one is a familiar spirit. You just may be missing them. You're grieving. So you're, you know, your subconscious is bringing that up in the dreams. However, there are many times where it is a familiar spirit. And we have seen that. I hate to be so controversial today. I would be honest with you. But unfortunately, we even saw it with, you know, Candice Owens when she had to dream about Charlie Kirk. and she believed it was Charlie Kirk really talking to her in the dream, really visiting the dead communicating with the living. And we know that that is not true.

The Bible says that the dead do not communicate with the living. So the enemy will do that because when we're sleeping, we're in a very, very, in that in between state and spiritually we are susceptible to entities coming in. and it's really trying to forgive my verbiage, but to get us to come into agreement with lies, biblical untruths, right, and get us away from Jesus and get us into sin and believing these lies. And to affect us during the day, to shape how we see things, the worldview that we have, and affect us physically and mentally to bring us down even more

so that they can affect us even more. it's a terrible hamster wheel, quite honestly. But yeah, I do believe that the enemy can manipulate the way that we think. And again, certainly if you give any sort of permission, what do I mean by that? Well, I went to the bridal shower. They were having a tarot card reader there. So it's just stupid. It's fun and games.

I had a reading. Okay, that's a demonic door open right there. So there you open it. And then I really do believe, yeah, they, enemy can manipulate what you think about these things and, you know, horoscope. People look at horoscopes. So, you know, it takes one time for something to resonate with you that you no longer think it's just fun and games. It's not just entertainment. It's not just a movie. It takes one time, one thing to resonate for you to start putting your attention there. But that is all part of the spiritual battle, which is in the mind. Because how we think frames.

so many things and determines who we're going to listen to and who we're going to serve. Even though we don't live under Old Testament law, we can still derive aspects of God's character and good lasting principles from the laws that he was giving in the Old Testament. And messing around with necromancy, mediums, witchcraft, idolatry was punishable by death in the Old Testament. So no matter what, we can't say as Christians that it's no big deal. It was a huge deal. It is a huge deal to God because not just because, okay, yeah, this is one thing that you're doing that doesn't align with just solely worshiping me, but also because it was

bad for them. Because he knew the addicting nature of it. He knew the demonic forces behind it. He knew how destructive it not only is for one person, but an entire people. an entire society. And you know, it's interesting when we see this prohibition in the Old Testament against witchcraft necromancy, that's, if people don't know, that's talking to the dead, that's saying, this dead person told me this thing, giving me wisdom and insight, which like you

said, we've seen recently in mainstream discourse, like that is paired with God's prohibition against child sacrifice. And so there is something that is interwoven with some of the, worst atrocities ever, the degradation of vulnerable children, which is something that you write about in this book, like children are vulnerable to the consequences of witchcraft in more ways than one. And God knew that from the beginning that if you give yourself over to this evil, you will give yourself over to that evil. And so no matter what, we can't trivialize it and say it's no big deal. I appreciate you saying that. And if you look in Deuteronomy 18, right before that little

that little group of divination practices, we see that you shall not offer your son or daughter as a living sacrifice. And this has been going on for ages and you're absolutely right. We are seeing that today in the most gruesome ways and we are seeing that being promoted and it to me goes hand at hand with witchcraft. And maybe you're not saying that you're giving these children up to Malik or whatever, but that was going on. That is what it is and it is so associated to witchcraft. And yes, we do have to take this extremely seriously. God wants us to come to him, to come to him alone, to place our faith and trust in him, not to go outside, not to look for any other sorts of powers or anything.

And trust me, it is so, again, liberating to surrender the reins that we never had to God who does have them, who has everything in control, who is sovereign over all things. and he is so loving to give us these instructions in his word so that we would be safe, that we could be protected and get away from that. And Christians need to be sober-minded, need to get on their posts, and really be aware of how, when, where they are seeing these things and by who are they, you know, who's saying it? Who are they listening to?

Who are you listening to today? Who are you following? Last sponsor is pre-born. And I want to tell you this story that's incredible from how the preborn clinics, how they are able to impact women. So doctors told a young woman named Alba that pregnancy was impossible. Her husband's diagnosis confirmed it. They just weren't going to be able to have a child together.

But then she got pregnant. She had a positive pregnancy test. She thought for sure it was a mistake. They just weren't prepared for it. They were prepared for spending their life without ever being able to have children. And so when this happened, she was really confused. She was afraid she was overwhelmed. It actually felt like a crisis.

And then she walked into a pre-worn network clinic. She was given a free ultrasound. She was given love and support and the truth about the life that she was carrying inside her womb. And she felt not as overwhelmed, not as alone. And they chose life. And now that baby is thriving with parents who love him. If you want to be a part of a story like that, donate just $28.

you cover the cost of a life-saving ultrasound, and you can help be a part of another story like Alba's. Go to preborn.com slash Alley. Make your donation today. That's preborn.com slash alley. Okay, just a couple other questions I have. Maybe someone is listening to this and they're like, okay, I'm done. I want to get out of this. I am in the midst of demonic oppression. And they keep hearing and seeing videos about deliverance. And there are people who promise deliverance if you pay enough money or you say the right things that's very popular on social media. You write about genuine deliverance by the Lord versus fake deliverance. So if someone is in that situation, how can they discern the difference? Well, a real deliverance is you coming to Lord Jesus Christ, putting your faith and trust in him,

believing into the gospel that you have heard, which is that you are a sinner. You were born into sin. That's the bad news. See, the gospel is good news. It would just be news as well. of my pastors says if there was no bad news. The bad news, we are born into sin. We can do nothing on our own to earn our way to heaven. But Jesus stepped out of heaven into humanity. He is the son of God. He committed no sin. The perfect sacrifice went to the cross to die and take God's wrath for the sins of the world. And he was buried and raised the third day. And the Bible says, we must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven. But it's about what Jesus did on the finished cross.

You don't need to go to a person and pay them X amount of dollars. You need to come and put your faith and trust in Lord Jesus. Believe him. Believe the gospel. Be saved. Be born again. That's the true deliverance, being delivered, rescued, and healed out of the darkness,

the bondage of your sin into the kingdom of Christ and the light of Christ. And you will have an abundant life. in the eternal life. Go to God. You don't have to go to man. What do you think about the ex-witches, the ex-psychics, the ex-tero readers? I recently talked about one

who's very popular in witch talk. Her name was Alex, and she's now made videos about her repentance and realizing, you know, all the things that she thought that she was finding in the new age and a witchcraft

she has actually found in their true form in Christ. There seems to be a wave of this going on. What do you make of that? Yeah, it's really exciting because you know, you think about how all that we have just discussed and especially how social media is an outlet for the enemy. Well, it's also a place where we are coming in and sharing the gospel. And the gospel is being spread in really quick time, seconds around the world and podcasts and all the things that we're watching. And the gospel is what has salvation power. So I truly believe that all these

people that are on social media, we're doing their psychic businesses on social media, well, they're watching social media. And maybe that's how the Lord used it for them. But we are rising up for sure. Because, you know, God has the victory. The devil doesn't have the victory over anything. So the devil may be trying his best to win souls and use whatever he can use to win people over, right? But so is God. God is moving. God hasn't left his throne. God is still saving people. So I praise God for that and I look forward to seeing more. And, you know, we are in the end times since Jesus left. So we're going to see things ramp up, I think, in certain seasons. And I think this is one of those seasons. I think we've seen a lot going on in the world that shifted people

to a more spiritual, I use the word spiritual, even in regards to, you know, coming to Christ, because we are spiritual beings made in the image of God, you know, after what happened to Charlie and we're just seeing these things happen in the news and in the world that I do believe people are desiring truth and salvation and Jesus. And God is using whatever he uses in their lives, including and probably social media to bring them there. Amen. Your book is darkness and disguise, a biblical warning about spiritual deception in our culture. This is for Christians. This is for new Christians. This is for Christians who have been Christians for a very long time. Satan is very clever. He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world.

So we can trust in that. As you said, we don't need to be paranoid. We don't need to be fearful. But we need to be wise. We need to be as wise as serpents. That's what the Bible commands us to do and your book is helping us be wise and be discerning, especially as parents. So, Jen, thank you so much. The book is out. It came out September 1st. I appreciate you and your testimony so much. I appreciate you too. Thank you so much for having me, Allie. God bless you, sister.