Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1403 | 1960s Feminist Was Brainwashed Into 3 Abortions. Now She Knows The Truth | Candy Thompson

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Allie is joined by Candy Thompson who shares her experience of living through the 1960s and the influence of the feminist ideology on her life. Candy recounts her college years and how she was heavily influenced by the idea that women were slaves in the home and needed to liberate themselves. However, the worldview that promised freedom and autonomy led to incredible brokenness in Candy’s life; she suffered multiple abortions, an abusive marriage, divorce, and felt both spiritually and physically broken. In her new book “Feminine Not Feminist: Reclaiming My Womanhood After Abortion” she explains how God redeemed even the most painful parts of her story, and brought healing to her and her family. She offers advice to young women feeling shame about their abortions and points to Christ as the only one who offers true healing and love in a world full of counterfeits. Do you have a question for Allie? Leave a voicemail at 844-755-5252  Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com – Time Codes 00:00 Intro00:50 Believing Women Were Slaves3:18 College and The Sexual Revolution10:29 Searching For Love13:24 Abusive Marriage, Forced Abortions25:18 Moving to North Carolina and Divorce31:14 Remarriage and Redemption38:27 Surrendering Her Past47:40 Being Restored52:22 Feminism is Not the Answer59:10 Bringing Shame to Light – Today's Sponsors: Concerned Women for America | . Pre-order  your copy of Concerned Women for America’s new Sanctity of Life booklet for a  gift of $25 today and be equipped to stand for life. Go to Concernedwomen.org/ALLIE. That’s Concernedwomen.org/ALLIE. We Heart Nutrition | Head to WeHeartNutrition.com  and use code ALLIE for 20% off your first order. Crowd Health | Join CrowdHealth to get started today for $99 a month for your first three months using code ALLIE at joincrowdhealth.com. Preborn | To donate, dial pound 250 & say the keyword “BABY” that’s pound 250 “BABY” or donate securely at PREBORN.COM/ALLIE.  Patriot Mobile | Go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE  or call 972-PATRIOT. Use promo code ALLIE for a FREE MONTH of service. Episodes You May Like: My “Feminist” Speech Controversy: A Biblical Response | Ep 1263 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuISfNoQKVM   What’s a Woman? Culture’s Confused; Christianity Is Clear | Ep 387 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJzQvwIUVE  From Multiple Abortions to Redemption in Christ | Guest: April Chapman | Ep 1205 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_6WHrlJFtc  --- ► Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ► Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on social media:  https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► "Relatable" merchandise — use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

After that second abortion, I began searching in other things to find answers instead of the Bible and going to God. I even went into the occult and read some occultic books at that time. Wanting to convince myself that my child wasn't gone and my children weren't gone. That they were still somewhere with reincarnation. Maybe they would come back and they would have another life. I read those and I was in a really dark place. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Worldwatch. Go to worldwatch.

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I saw you on Instagram sharing a reel about your new book, feminine, not feminist. And one thing that you pointed out is that you went to college in the 1960s. Yes, I did. height of the sexual revolution. You had been raised a Christian, So I imagine this was a very different world that you were thrust into at the University of North Carolina. Yes, it was.

I had been raised a Christian. And unfortunately, even though I had gone up to the altar as a young girl and wanted to know the Lord and wanted to just love him, I didn't get the background. I think that I really needed that answered the question. So when the feminists came in on the 60s with their, you know, with their quotes and we're hearing all of that, and it sounded good. And it sounded good because, you know, this freedom that they were talking about, you know, we want to be free and equality. And then they made our grandmothers look like they were just slaves in their homes. And I wanted, well, I wanted to be smart.

and I wanted to be, you know, just thought of as somebody who, you know, had a lot of knowledge maybe at that time going to college. I was a little bit, you might say, prideful about it and really looked down on the women that were just slaves in their home. And I was looking at them that way. And then the freedom, the sexual freedom, I really believe that for me and for a lot of women that we were just looking for love. and you know I never when when I mean when that was going on I really didn't think of myself as being immoral even you know and and in those relationships or in a relationship outside of marriage a woman is not I found out not made for that kind of relationship one thing is our hormones we have hormones that are going to want to bond We want to bond with that person and maybe even for life.

And so I think all along, you know, our souls get hurt, our spirits whenever we're involved in that. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit more about what it was like for you going to college and seeing this sexual revolution in the 1960s. A lot of us have heard about it, maybe studied it, but we don't really know what it was like to walk on a campus and to see a lot of this. feminist propaganda to hear things like no one needs to be a stay-at-home mom. These wives are just slaves. And to really hear things about, oh, you need to be sexually liberated. You need to do

the things that feel good. So I wonder just what it was like being met with these new messages. Yes. Well, for me, it was, I was rebellious from my parents and everything. I was rebellion. And I grabbed onto that because it sounded exciting. It sounded like that that was the way I was really going to be fulfilled in life. And that, you know, that we could find a purpose there that really that outside the home and outside of the confines of marriage, that we really didn't have to be, you know, tied down to this old way of marriage and old way of living. And that we could have an equal relationship, that we were equal and that we had those opportunities. We wanted those opportunities and that our lives were going to be much better because we were going to be

freer, you know. And as far as the sexual revolution, I think that for myself, it may have not been just, well, you know, having sex with, it was part of a date for me or part of a relationship that, you know, was just natural, you know, to have sex outside. I think it was for me, because I believe looking for love and then having a wounded soul each time if you have sex outside of marriage. And so carrying that into my life at that time, I had a miscarriage in the college dorm. And I didn't reject marriage altogether as being a feminist at that time. I wasn't radical. But I was influenced enough to think I was going to have.

have that equality and that freedom in a relationship. And instead, really, I was in bondage. Yeah. I really believed during my college years about the big lie of feminism. And I fell for that. I fell for the lie that I needed to get my value outside the home, that I needed to find my affirmations there and that it wasn't going to be there in a marriage or a home. And that had a big impact, even though I didn't wave signs for it or anything. And I didn't go real radical at the time. It was so ingrained in the culture at that time that everybody, I believe, all women were hearing, yell, you know, let's, you know, I am woman, the song, I am woman, all the things that were going on. And again, it sounded good.

sounded good. But so many women have fallen for it. And abortion is kind of like the fruit of feminism. Yes, it is. I can be equal. I can do the same thing. I can walk away from kids just like a man can. That's absolutely right.

And women, it was about having that freedom to get rid of anything that would keep us from that career or what we want. It was totally selfish. feminism was and yet I didn't see it I was blinded by it the lies so you had a miscarriage but I wonder if we can rewind a little bit to when you found out that you were pregnant so not only were you having sex outside of marriage but you also found out that you were pregnant outside of marriage which even if it was like a was terrible feminist era yeah that it's not like today where oh yeah it's okay every you know a lot of people do that I

imagine that you were terrified when you found out that you were with child. Oh my gosh, yes. In fact, I, maybe I didn't explain this well. I didn't know I was pregnant. Okay, at first, I didn't know I was pregnant even until I had the miscarriage. Okay, so the miscarriage was something that just started happening, the pain in the dorm one morning, and I had not really suspected I was pregnant. I had been late with a period and was very just not aware of everything that was going on in my body and thinking I'm in the science lab and it's 100 degrees down here and I'm just having this kind of effect. And talking about this right now is a little difficult too because talking about the details. When I went through writing my book, I was very emotional about some of the things and the Lord was healing me. So it's coming back from the 60s.

And so at that time, there was so much shame in everything like that. We still were not free. I wasn't free to just flaunt that. I mean, that would have been in the 60s. Now, in the 70s, I think it became a little bit looser in that way. But in the 60s, we were, women were still just not. not as free as the feminists were talking about as far as the sexual revolution. And so I didn't really know I was pregnant.

I just went into the bathroom one morning after having some pain in the dorm and went, had a miscarriage right there at that point. And did you go to the doctor? Did you talk to a friend? Did you tell the father of the baby? No, not then. I had a friend who took me to the, took me to the campus infirmary.

I can imagine that was scary. And emotionally traumatizing too. Oh, it was. It was terrible. And what was so bad about it was she thought I had tried to have an abortion, abort myself. At the infirmary. Mm-hmm. That was really difficult.

Because at that time, I considered myself pretty moral. Yeah. I didn't really consider myself as being a loose woman. And I thought I loved the guy. Right. Yeah. And how did he respond? I didn't tell him right away.

I was in the hospital after a DNC after I went in because I needed that. And so I was in the hospital. and that was kind of the end of that relationship. But after that, you were still looking for love, maybe even more so. And you write about that you just wanted to get married to the next guy you saw. That was, I wasn't really thinking about marriage. I was continuing to just down this party girl, you know, just going ahead with my lifestyle and met this guy and was really just trying to drown

at all, you know. And so he was willing to marry me, so I married him. Yep. Just another guy. It was terrible and didn't know him that well. Should have seen it because there was some really, there was some really red flags that went up. And the main red flag was that he didn't respect his mother very much. He had a problem with alcohol and he also had a temper. And he was really knew he wasn't a Christian. Right. He wasn't a Christian. And you still, you considered yourself a Christian at the time.

Yes. I still consider, well, I wasn't practicing any Christianity, no. Mm-hmm. But I still had that background, you know, and I still wanted to have a good life. I wanted to have that marriage that I saw, you know, my, I saw, you know, parents have. Yeah. And so I thought now that I'm married, you know, we'll just have a good marriage like that and have children and settle down. Quick pause to tell you about our first sponsor for the day. And that is Concerned Women for America. So you might be listening to some of these things

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since he wasn't a Christian, you know, he wanted to drink and party and still do the things that he had done in college. Then his friends were the ones that were over there. I really had no friends, no church, no relatives at that time. And so being in that kind of situation, I think what really happened is I was trying to conform to what he was doing. and a wife does when you marry somebody, you're going to be led by a man. You're going to be influenced. It's very hard at that time to break out from anything that was not the traditional marriage, you know. And so when it became really difficult, I started seeing a psychiatrist there on base. Because you felt so alone.

Yes. And I thought he would change. And changing and trying to. to think you're going to change a husband is something that is just a fantasy because men are, you know, not made to be, I want to say, they're not made to be led by a woman, really, in their nature. And so when we women try to conform them and try to, you know, we use all kind of techniques. But so I wanted him to be different and to be the man and stand up and actually lead. now that I was not a feminist anymore, I thought. But I really went deeper into the feminism at that time.

Was it the psychiatry that you think pushed you deeper into that ideology? No. It was his, it was the abortion, the first abortion. Tell me about that. So you found out that you were pregnant and... Yeah, I was happy at that time. Okay. I was really happy at that time.

The first abortion was after we had our son. We already had a son. And we were happily, you know, happy with him. And I thought, well, he'll, this will be good. We'll have our second child, maybe a girl. And I really wanted a girl. And I thought, well, this will be good. You know, we'll have a daughter. And there was always the hope that it was going to be better, that the marriage was going to be better. And that something would change. and that he would maybe mature and be more responsible. But he really didn't mature and become more response. He wanted to party. He started smoking grass and it was illegal. And so when I got pregnant and told him we had an argument. And the argument led to, you know, some words. And then he lost his temper and kicked me.

Yeah, I kicked me in the stomach. Wow. And so I was coerced into that abortion by feeling that I had, that I was trapped, that I had no other choice. The abuse caused the abortion or after that you went to the clinic? It didn't cause the abortion, no. It was very early in the pregnancy. and I debated. There was a couple in the friendships that he had.

A couple visited, you know, and I look at this. I was thinking, the enemy at that time was really working on me in the darkness that I was in already, you know, having gotten in the marriage. But at that time, we had a couple come over who had an abortion right there in the Air Force Hospital and talked about it as if it were just something. you know, casual. They were saying, yes, we decided we didn't want a baby. And this was in the 70s. We're talking about early 70s. It was actually before Roe v. Wade. And Alaska was one of four states, I believe it's four, that was having that passed it legally. Right. And so I sat there

and listened to them and I thought, how can they do that? You know, And here I was pregnant and it had this fight. And so I ended up going in and he took me. And I got upset and left. I didn't want to have it and tried to say no. I tried to get out of it. I went back to the apartment and then there was another fight and another argument. And the fight was over, he wanted you to have this abortion.

Yeah. He just didn't think that you all needed another child to take care of. He had been an only child and so that was what he thought. What he wanted. Yeah. And so after that fight, you did go back. I did go back and they put me to sleep and I woke up in a room full of women. I didn't know that they, I thought later they must have had abortions too.

Yeah. And none of us looked at each other. I just went out and that dead feeling that comes to a woman afterwards and some, and the horrible regret that women are having, they're having a regret right afterwards, even though it looked like this was the best solution, you know? And instead, they have the greatest regret of their lives a lot of times and just, you know, suffer for years and years. I was very angry.

Yeah. I was very angry. And you were angry at your husband, at that whole situation, maybe a little bit at yourself at the time. Maybe you didn't even fully realize, you know, the circumstance that you were in. And you really, you struggled after that a lot. Yes. I'd had two abortions in Alaska. So you had your first abortion, and then you got pregnant again. and then it was the same kind of situation. Went to a medical doctor that time, a different place.

Yes. And my husband and son sat in the waiting room and went back, and it was the most horrible time of my marriage, almost the most horrible time. So during this time after that second and board, and it may be between the first and second in Alaska. I begin searching in other things to find answers instead of the Bible and going to God like I wish I had, of course. I went to the feminine mystique at that time, and it just really what it did is it just validated what I had been thinking that I was a slave in the home there. And so it was putting me in really a more, just what they had said all the time.

was happening to me. And I even went into the occult and read some occultic books at that time and trying to find the spiritual reason behind all of that and wanting to convince myself that my child wasn't gone. And my children weren't gone. That they were still somewhere. They would maybe even with reincarnation, maybe they would come back. and they would, you know, have another life.

Wow. So that's what you were looking for. You were looking for some sort of redemption. Yes. Which it's interesting because that is also something that is repopularized that I've seen people talking about their spirit babies and how their spirit babies that they have aborted are still waiting on them. And it does seem like, wow, that's almost a way to try to justify and heal yourself.

It is. because we know in our spirit, we know in our hearts that they really were. They really are real. They're our children. You know, from time beginning, women, when they got pregnant, I'm having a baby, and they first found out. Right. I'm having, you know. And so I read those, and I was in a really dark place then with no friends and anything. We moved to North Carolina after that, and he was discharged. My problems really didn't stop, you know, at that time. You know, at that time. Okay, y'all, if you want to be around like-minded women, if you want to be encouraged to be a more joyful mom, a better apologist, a smarter theologian, then you need to come to share the arrows.

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and that time I stood up for my child, okay, and refused to have. He didn't ask me to have one. And so I was determined that I was not going to be that slave anymore and that person anymore. He was getting a master's degree. He had gotten a master's degree in Alaska. And I thought, now our lives are going to change. We're going to be part of this family that we're in, you know. And I will be able to get a home maybe.

and I have these, you know, hopes and dreams. And all along, he wasn't any different. There wasn't any hope. And so it didn't change. And when we stayed with my parents, I got pregnant when we were staying with them until we moved and found a place. And we moved to a little town, oh, about 100 miles away maybe. And I was trying to make things work, and he was, you know, partying with friends at work.

still. Yeah, it wasn't, it didn't change. We had the baby girl. She was beautiful. And I had always wanted to have a girl too. And all along I kept deceiving myself. You know, you say women keep telling themselves, this can work out. And back then, it was harder to, I mean, you just didn't divorce.

It was the last thing you wanted to do. No one had divorced in my family. And so I was really. still hopeful. And so when the marriage finally ended, that's when I went to the psychiatric ward is during that really low time after I'd had two children. You had had the miscarriage first, then you had your son, then you had the two abortions in Alaska.

You moved to North Carolina. You had your baby girl. Yes. And it was after that that you got a divorce, right? You left your husband. Well, we had the baby girl, and we did get the divorce. I was in the psychiatric ward before we got the divorce. Okay.

So after you had your baby girl, was it your choice to go to the psychiatric ward? No, it wasn't. I had been getting counseling because I wanted things were not working. And it was not counseling about abortion and my problems personally. Instead, I was still trying to make what was wrong that I could make this work. That's how I looked back and I'm thinking, goodness, you know, why didn't I leave? Why didn't I do this? You know, why did I stay? And at that time in my life, that's where I was. I wanted to have that family and keep that home together. Yeah. So I had ended up in a place where I had that darkest secret. It was so dark that I just pushed it way down.

I couldn't, I never thought about it. I really didn't. I couldn't. And I was left, you know, here I was a college graduate, and we had never been successful financially because we weren't following God later on. I realized, you know, that's where you were, you know. And so I wanted to get back with the Lord at that time and wanted to take my children to church too. And I had tried to do that before we divorced. And he hadn't gone with me. So when I was pregnant with my daughter there in North Carolina,

I actually took the children to church or took my son to church with my being pregnant and wanted to take the children and just have them raised in church. But they had never been in church before. And so it was hard for a single mom. And sometimes I wonder, what did that church think at that time, this traditional church? Here I was a single mom, not a single mom, but a mother without husband coming to church. That would have been very unusual who was pregnant with one child. And so when the divorce happened, I had two children to raise.

At some point, you did have another abortion. Is that correct? Oh, I guess I totally skipped that. yeah, I had the abortion right before the divorce. Okay. Yeah, when I had the two children. Okay. And that was at the end, right?

Yes. That was just the final thing. Just it's over. There's no hope. There's absolutely no hope. And after all of that, and as you're trying to live this normal life, you're going back to church,

you still were carrying that secret that you had had these three. Oh, yes. I wouldn't have told anyone. Yeah. And I never really, it was pushed down. It was denied. I don't know. I just thought in my mind that I couldn't think about it. Right. I really couldn't think about it. I was in total denial.

And thinking if I lived the right life maybe again, it would be okay, you know. But I did want, I did want to know to be back with God and back with the Lord. And that was one of the, when I became more hopeful for that, and actually God protected me through so much and kept me from being, kept me from meeting someone who would have done the same thing to me, you know, who would have been the same kind of abuser. And many women fall into that. And you did meet your current husband whom you have been married to for 44 years now. I did. Yes, years later, and he's a big part of your story and bringing these things to life. He is a big part. He is a really big part because I knew God had put us together when it happened. And I was going to church some of my parents. And the way they met was through my dad. Here I am 38 years old. And this businessman had a business meeting with my dad. And neither one of them.

planned this, it was absolutely totally sovereignly done by God. It really was. I couldn't have planned it. I couldn't meet anybody. I think I'd gone on a dating group, to a dating group once, and it didn't work out. Okay. But God worked it out. And he brought this man to a very wounded woman at that time. When I met Vernon and he came into my life, he met my dad and liked him so much. that when dad mentioned he had a daughter. He had been divorced himself for six years or seven, and I had been divorced for six years. And he thought he would never meet a woman he wanted to marry again.

He said it got down on his knees and prayed, actually. And Lord, if you want me to be single for the rest of my life, then I will be, okay? Yeah. And so I had just really wasn't looking either. But God brought him into my life that way. and I was finally able to believe that I could have a normal life and get back. And my children would have a dad, you know, and this man said he loved me. But at that point, I think it was very hard for me to have the feelings that I have now and later.

Because when women have abortions, their natural love for their children has to be squelched. You cannot go have an abortion and being, you know, and loving your child. I mean, unless I'm sure there are a lot of women who go very, anyway, I had to squelch my feelings to have those abortions. And all these feelings that were locked up for years toward a man and trust that God was leading me to someone. who really would love me and loved me. And he loved my children. And I was very fortunate because many single woman are victims to predators.

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Okay. I did not tell him. until we were after we were married. Okay. And so that was over a year later. And that was a very emotional time. We had, I knew that I had to tell him. I was in church every Sunday.

And my conscience started probably bother me. I mean, I wanted him to love me and know me. And I hadn't told him, but somehow I thought it wasn't, at the time, wasn't something, you know, I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was intentionally trying to deceive him, but I certainly didn't let him see that part of me before we marry. And I had to ask his forgiveness for that, you know, later. But when it came out, I thought, I have to tell him. And so that day, he was coming home from work and he was, you know, had this job that he was, we were really proud of him. And he was, um, manager for this big company. And,

He was doing so well. And so he came home and I said, I've got to tell him. You just felt convicted. I did. He was shocked and he really said something that I don't know if I'll even tell this on here that just really was, he was so shocked. The first thing came out was something that he didn't mean in his heart. But he said, I'm just, I don't know if I love you. And I was like, what?

I thought he didn't get angry, really. He was just in shock. And he said something he was later, just asked my forgiveness for later on. But at the time, I thought, you know, we can work this out. He doesn't mean it. But I didn't go into the,

I didn't become outwardly open with abortion at all that time, at that time. But God opened a door. and it turned out good. That scripture, you know, in Romans 828 is the one that we all, you know, can say, God, I'm depending on you. Can you work this out? So talk about that.

Talk about what it was like when it happened that you really did fully surrender to the Lord. You surrendered your story, your past to him, and really started that relationship with Christ. Right. Wow. Okay. So that was for me, like, I believe when I married Vernon, that my heart wanted to be back with God. And that that marked the beginning of a long journey of a lot of things that God had to continue bringing me into moral light. And we're saying, you know, this process of sanctification begins, and he begins showing me. things and showing me things. And yes, in my heart, of course, I'd repented. But I had asked God for forgiveness personally, but I wasn't healed, really. We ended up moving to Colorado. There's a healing process that began in Colorado when we were going to the church. And yes, I was teaching Sunday school and everything. But the real big moment, um, of salvation that and everything happened suddenly. To me, it's been more of a, of an awareness

of God's presence and personal, a personal relationship. Once I committed to Vernon, God didn't give up on me and brought me into that place of finally having that personal relationship with him in Colorado, more so. When I was a little girl and went up to the altar, it took. 12 years old. I don't think I understood what I was doing that much, except I knew I needed Jesus. I needed. And so, in that church back there, I had no teaching about what happens then. What happens at that time? Am I just suddenly? Okay. And I'm now a Christian, and I'm a believer, but I knew inside I wasn't. I still had those tendencies. So in some way I thought, maybe I didn't get it, you know? and I think for people that don't understand, we have to have a teaching too with understanding what you're doing

and understanding what God's going to do now. You know, what's he going to do with you now? Well, he's going to be changing you for a long time into his image. And for me, it was a big work. That's all I can say. But I know that I love the Lord from an early age. I got sad tracked and I came back to him when Vernon came into my life. And I still had all of that stuff that was, you know, had to overcome so much.

And women who have abortions have such a hard time believing they can even be loved and that God can love them and forgive them. But he can and he's waiting for us. And we have to begin, we have to make a step toward him of faith. Right. And so I know the commitment came back when Vernon and I were married. And when I began speaking out about abortion was after my husband and I had, Vernon and I had a crisis. And what was that crisis?

Well, after all the years of God blessing us with blessings, a new home, okay, a car, my kids married, and they moved to Colorado, and a church, a really good, that actually, yeah, and that fell apart. Something fell apart in our lives. the little church that I'd gone to there that I had been led back to my personal relationship with God praying and believing for healing. The pastors got divorced and the church closed after we'd been there 10 years maybe.

And I got shaken up at that time And really, without a lot of guidance from the Lord and the people that had been in our lives were gone, I did something I can't even believe I did today. Yeah, I actually filed divorce on Vernon. And I think it was that old feminist thing, maybe trying to resurface thinking I can just go along then. This has really been, I can't believe all this happened. happened. But what it was is I had never really come out with the abortions either. I had never gone, I hadn't gone through the healing as far as going through, even though I had

scriptures, even though I knew the Lord. I believe I needed to confess that to a pastor, to someone. I tried to do it and it hadn't really. And so we had a pastor at that time after the church old part. We had another one. And I quoted this in my book. And he was a tough love pastor. And he was for covenant marriage. And I actually submitted at that time to counseling with him and Vernon, who prayed for me. He said, the devil's not going to have my marriage. And he stood. So I counseled and repented of divorce, which is a sin, or was a sin for. me and almost went down the same path as my pastor's wife who left, you know, her husband, the one that had been my mentor. And at that time began to speak out, repented openly to my pastor

of abortion, even though I had repented in my heart, I needed to say something out loud. I needed to say, this is where I've come out of. This is what I've done. And I'm just, I'm going to start talking about it. Yeah. And I started writing and I started. That's what you started. I changed. I really believe that I, and every abortion is influenced demonically.

Okay, because God, it's against God. It's against everything that God stands for and that wants for us. And no one wants that more than the enemy of our soul. And it goes at the children before they're born. And the women to deceive us. And so coming out of that was believing the truth in place of the lies that I had believed and the Word of God. And then some, I believe, worse than others, as far as the demonic, I believe when you take a stand against it verbally outwardly. And you begin to double down on that and say, yes, abortion is right or do horrible things like wearing the T-shirts with, you know, I'm glad I did this like it's feminists they're doing today.

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And I really believe I'm walking that today. Because I could not have ever come out with this early, and I've been nervous about it at first. You know, this is a big step even here. But God's been with me during this time all the way. And as I began to speak out in that little girl who was the one that would stand up in front of a group and perform, you know, in that church, in my childhood church, God uses our personality that he gave us in his kingdom too

that was used for evil. Turns to good, doesn't he? And so, Vernon and I came together after all these years. I don't say we were apart, but I wasn't ready, and I don't think he was ready to stand out of right now and be the husband that stood beside me as I'm giving this testimony. We weren't there suddenly. You know, this took a lot of time and a lot of work and prayer and just, searching for that place in Jesus and in my marriage that God had already ordained for me. I still didn't quite understand who he had made me as a wife and a mother.

And during writing this book even, it was like eye-opening in seeing more clearly. You know, we can see more clearly as we get more of the word and more understanding. and to see that this wonderful place that he's made for women as a wife and mother is not coming out, totally out of feminism and understanding that God's plan was so much more powerful if they were looking for power, had so much authority, and they were looking for authority, but it also required, you know, that we give our lives, that we submit, which was a dirty word for feminists. But I loved how my pastor's wife, Erin, sorry, Lauren. Lauren Don't describe this one time, you know, as being in a mission together in the kingdom and being back, when Jesus restored us back to the garden, I mean, back to the original intent, you know, no, it's not perfect like it was then, but he's given us the power and the authority. to overcome an enemy, the enemy that deceived me and has deceived women and men, and is still

deceiving them, and the lies that I believed. And so now I think it's so wonderful that women need to know, and I needed to know, really, and Vernon needed to know. We were traditional. We came from those, you know, the 40s, the 50s, that we were a powerful partner. in this relationship, that indescribable partner, I mean, not indescriable maybe, but that, you know, the one that couldn't, that the man needed to fulfill the mission God had given. So we're coming into, we're submitting to a mission. We're coming under submission of the kingdom of God when you're in a Christian marriage, you know, and God can bring that together. I mean, you're, this beautiful young Christian woman. And, you know, I can see that there are women, you know,

coming forward, but women need to know their value in Christ and that they were never meant to be slaves. And they were meant to raise and love those children and with a godly man who really wanted to protect them. And that God had put in those men something wonderful. He put something that would give their own lives for us that will work themselves to death with more than one job if they have to provide for a family and that want to be godly leaders. And guess what?

God said to respect them for that. Okay, that's not a bad thing, is it, when you have a man that would die for you? And what do you say to the woman who's listening to this? maybe it's the Christian woman or the woman who's skeptical who's saying, okay, candy, yeah, that's what I want. But maybe they're saying, my marriage is more like your first marriage. And, you know, for those women, the message of feminism is very appealing.

Yes, it is. And not even in just an abusive marriage, but especially on social media today, there's a lot of content out there that encourages discontentment with wives. Oh, if your husband's not helping you enough, if he's saying this, not doing this, and there's this very resentful kind of attitude about husbands and marriage among women on social media. And some of those women might be thinking, well, feminism is the answer for me to be liberated. What would you say to them? Well, are they Christians or are they not Christians?

I mean, these women that you're hearing, it sounds like they don't know the Lord. It sounds like they're still trying to maneuver their lives themselves, that they are in that place I was in, which is a very hard place to be in because you're trying to do that with your own, you're trying to figure it all out without God's Word. And I really believe that God's Word has the only answer for every problem today and His Spirit. you're not going to be able to submit to anyone unless you have help because that's not our nature. So if you're living with the old nature that we had from the fall, which is real, believe it or not, but I believe Eve was the first woman feminist after she walked out from under her covering.

She walked out from under God's wonderful word and his presence. she walked out from a husband who loved her and then he followed her and that just really bugged me that we know that Adam didn't stand up at that time but men are not men are just and when you've got a man and woman trying to work it out together without Jesus Christ as their Savior okay so that's to me the only answer is you don't have the you can't do it in your flesh you're not going to make this in your flesh And they think, well, how do I do that? It's really simple.

Just repent of living your life as you've lived it alone without him. And if you're a Christian woman who's in a Christian marriage and it's not working, it seems like that. You can be that great influence. You know, women want to be influencers today. Okay, we're all wanting to be an influencer. Influence. Why, Jesus has in the word, he has everything you need to know about being that greatest influence to your husband. Okay, wives, you know, do this, you know, wives.

And also love the Lord first. Love him. And be that woman in there, whether the husband, and be that influence on him. It's not bad to be the one that, you know, carries. You want to be strong. That's a strong woman. I know one now that's living with the man who's not saved. and she has a beautiful home and garden and sees her children all the time.

But he didn't want her to have the Bible study in his home. And he doesn't go to church with her. But he loves her. But I will say this, he doesn't love her as Christ loves her. But it says that with the quiet and gentle voice, with that, I've never been quiet and gentle, have I? My husband will agree. No.

That quiet and gentle. woman who is there and men have a hard time rejecting this respect and honor they don't deserve. None of us deserve that. I didn't deserve what Jesus gave to me. So to these women who are still out there trying to do it all on their own and being that woman who does, who's a successful woman in the world's eyes. Okay. there's a woman that's not out there sometimes getting all the glory.

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that shame into the light. Maybe she's feeling that conviction, but she's like, you don't understand. No one can know. Yeah. What do you say to her? Well, no one. Okay. She is feeling that shame that people are going to condemn her. That if anybody finds out, I mean, they're going to, they're going to, they just can't know. There are people and there are places that you can go. I do believe. I do that if you have a desire to be healed, that you need to be able to trust someone to talk to. And someone who will not condemn you, someone who will lead you and be that person that you can trust with this story. Because inside the story is not going to get better by just keeping it inside. In fact, the enemy is going to use it on you more and more because he's going to bring other.

things against you. When you get older, you're going to, I mean, you can't live with that inside without somehow getting relief. And you know, the body of Christ is supposed to be that place that you can go. They can, you can go and you can, no condemnation in Christ. Okay, there's even now no condemnation in Christ Jesus. He doesn't condemn you and the body of Christ should not be condemning you. And I found in the body of Christ, even though it wasn't purport. at all times. I found that there were people who would love me. And I found it in Oklahoma, Bernard and I've been led to this church, that if they didn't accept my testimony, I couldn't stay there, okay? Because I know what I believe in, God has told me it's true, that I need to live that life

without condemnation. They're going to have that condemnation and shame themselves the rest of their lives and it doesn't get better. So you need to tell someone. You need to get that out and deal with it and let God be the one that heals you and tells you who you really are. You know, we're worried about identity. That's your identity. Your identity is in Christ if you're a Christian. If you're not and you had an abortion, okay, you need to go to Christ and be Christian. You need to change. Okay, It's not working. Is that working? No.

Okay, it does work with God. And you can go in that direction. And then you can find people who will walk that out with you and love you. And here you, you know, I could go on a lot. You know that. I guess I've gone on too much. No, it's so good. Thank you so much.

And if people want to hear more about this and more about this message, they can read your book. Feminine, not Feminish. They can follow you also on social media. And you have how many kids and grandkids now? Okay. Well, between my husband and I, none together, but between the two of us, we have six children. I have four in heaven waiting for me. And we have, of course, the grandchildren, we have now 11 grandchildren.

I have one in heaven, a grandson that was killed by a drunk driver. and he's there, okay, and so are the others. And then the great-grandchildren, okay, we have one on the way, and it's number nine. Wow. And God's still working on me. He's still working on this family. He's still working. And, you know, he's doing some great things, and I'm amazed.

Yes, amen. Well, thank you so much for your courage and your obedience and sharing your story. And I just pray that it goes far and wide and that God uses it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Kim. Bless you.