Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 179 | Penny Nance

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

Penny Nance, head of Concerned Women for America, joins me to discuss what is happening in the Supreme Court that matters to us as women, Christians, and defenders of religious liberty.

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Friday. I hope you guys have had a wonderful week.

Aren't you glad that it's Friday? If you've had a long week like I have, I am just, I'm just grateful. I'm grateful. I'm grateful that it's Friday. I'm excited for the weekend. I hope you guys are too. But before we get into the weekend, you have to listen to the day. conversation with Penny Nance. She is awesome. She is the head of concerned women for America.

We're going to be talking about what's going on to the Supreme Court, all the legislative issues that matter to us as women and as Christian and as defenders of religious liberty. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, true, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.

This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Okay. Without further ado, here is Penny Nance. Penny, thank you so much for joining me. Oh, it's so fun to be on with you. I love what you do and I love your podcast. So I really am excited to be here with you. Thank you so much. Well, we are so excited for you to be here and to glean wisdom from you. Will you tell everyone who may not know who you are and what you do?

Great. I am the president and CEO of Concerned Women for America. My name is Penny Nance. I've been in this position almost 10 years now. Wow. We're nation's largest public policy women's organization. We're unabashedly pro-life, pro-family. And, you know, think about the women's march. We're the opposite. Yes. Tell everyone a little bit of what you guys do behind the scenes because some people may not know just what tremendous work and influence you guys do and have.

Oh, thank you for that. You know, Concerned Women for America has been around for about 40 years. I mean, we're not the new kids on the block. We have really been at this. work in public policy now for a very long time. We are grassroots, legit grassroots, heels on the ground, women's organization. We have members in all 50 states. We have 36 state directors, we have, but we have chapters in every state. And we have about half a million members around the country. We have seven core issues, the issue of life, the issue of marriage, the issue of

sexual exploitation, national sovereignty, local control of education, religious freedom. And then our last issue that we added about four years ago is support for Israel. We're full portfolio conservatives. And it's really essential, Alie, you know this one than anyone, at this point in history, to have women trained to speak into the hard issues of the day, to bring our perspective. because if we don't speak for ourselves, other people define us and pretend to speak for us. And really, that was the beginning of CWA. Back during the ERA, when Beverly LeHaye, our founder was a pastor's wife in California,

who got sick of hearing, you know, the feminist of the day speaking on behalf of all women, demanding abortion on demand and other issues. And so she said, they don't speak for me. Right. We're still there. We're still saying. AOC, you do not speak for me. You know, Elizabeth Warren, you do not speak for me.

There's a wide group of broad group of women around this country who still believe in traditional values, still believe in the sanctity of human life and still love our families, believe in economic freedom, and again, support the nation of Israel and are more hawkish on foreign policy. Yes, and the media, most of the media, would like to pretend that we don't exist, that certainly women don't have these kinds of values, maybe a few old white men, some of the media would say, but not women, not young women, not a wide variety of women. It just doesn't happen. Women are only third-wave feminist. They only believe in abortion on demand and socialism and all of these radical things that are becoming

more and more mainstream. What are some of the things that you guys do in the face of what I am sure is a lot of pushback from people, you know, in the women's march and even just in the mainstream of the Democratic Party. How do you guys fight on the front lines of these things? Yeah, right. And for instance, Sancha Smith, our state leader in Louisiana finds it's surprising when she's told that, you know, that only white people believe X. You know, she's an African-American leader. We have a very diverse group of women, both racially, economically, socioeconomically, in every way. But we are women of faith, and we passionately believe in biblical values, and we back up

everything we say by our Christian worldview. We don't apologize for it. We are strong women with solid policy, solid theology, and absolutely no apology for what we believe. So explain to me, because I worked with you guys when it came to Kavanaugh, and all of that drama that happened a year ago that was just absolutely. madness and you guys rallied a ton of women in support of of Kavanaugh and against the just onslaught of opposition and unfair opposition really that he was receiving. Can you kind of talk

about the process of how you go about rallying support and bringing people together and kind of getting the word out about particular issues to women? Absolutely. And I think this is so great because it really sort of explains how we work, how we function. Um, Again, we work, we support the president and strongly agree with his position on only appointing constitutionalist judges. In fact, for, you know, most of our history, we worked on confirmation of constitutionalist judges and been front and center on that. So Neil Gorsuch was no different.

And then, of course, came Brett Kavanaugh. We were working in favor of him. we had a national bus tour that was going around the country to key states that were states that were carried by President Trump, because again, we need to be strategic about what we do, states that were carried by President Trump and the Senate seats were held by Democrats. So we knew we were going to need their votes for confirmation. So we were doing a Women for Cabinol bus tour around the country building support for him, explaining doing rallies, doing events. I mean, I can't even tell you how many state fairs I was at a couple of summers ago. Was it last summer? Last summer. And, you know, and Chick-fil-A parking lots and larger rallies.

We were just really like places like Indiana and Missouri. You're welcome, Josh Holly. And other like key states, we were, you know, getting the word out about him. In fact, we could watch while we're out on the road with our state leaders who are active in their state legislatures lobbying and also doing media because that's the other thing like I'm doing with you today you sometimes can see me on Fox and other national news but our state leaders are on local media and so we're doing education more broadly and then of course we come back and all the allegations hit so we go through those with our own council we look at them and we're like there this there's nothing to this but this this man we believe is being unfairly and justly accused and by the way what is the standard going forward for any man or any woman that is accused, but there's no corroboration.

There must be equal justice and the law. So we went forward, actually, Allie, not knowing how our base would react because we thought we knew that had the facts and we knew what was true, but that's leadership sometimes, right? You've got to move forward. And thankfully, people agreed and strongly rallied to his side and our members were like, thank you. somebody had to say it. And so we moved forward. We did rallies, rallies of women that you didn't see hundreds of women,

at least 500 women at one point in a rally outside the Senate. Women were inside lobbying and that we have all sorts of video of that, of us being screamed at and defamed by other women, by the way. Right, of course. Because we dare go, went against the narrative that George Soros had spent $240 million on with a women's march in order to allege. And so we were, as you know, history tells the story. He was confirmed, and women for Kavanaugh, you know, did great work.

And I'm so proud of our members around the country who rallied his side, who contacted their senators. And, you know, some of those senators paid the price for their, for their positions. Right. You guys are having a tangible impact. So y'all are on the ground across America. y'all are in the media on social media, basically just representing conservative biblical values and also not just showing support for the people who might feel isolated who also share those

values, but persuading people who may be on the fence or they don't know or they disagree. And that is such important work in a time when it seems like people just yell at each other rather than talk to each other. It seems like Concern Women for America is actually trying to have a productive dialogue and make real differences, not just, you know, getting clicks by saying talking points, but saying, here are the facts, here's the argument, and you're not afraid to represent that. Tell me how you guys are doing that with what's going on with the Supreme Court right now. And sorry, I know this is a long question, but what is going on with the Supreme Court right now? First, maybe if you could tell that. One is, I love everything you said there. I mean,

I think the key point, as we explain who we are, is we are the voice for conservative women. We are the voice leaning into the issues of the day, the hard issues of the day in speaking up. Another example, of course, Kavanaugh, you just talked about. The other issue is we just, and this is an odd for us, we are often rowling in front of the Supreme Court on key issues for life and other issues. We were just there, I think it was, was it a week ago, two weeks ago, on the Harris case. And the question in that case has to do with the definition of sex. There's a whole movement within our country to redefine sex and civil rights.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, which defines sex as male and female. And that has served as the basis of law of all sorts of things. Privacy rights. Issues of, you know, we're talking about sports, Title IX, women's sports teams. And so if we change, and there's a whole group of people that thinks we should, that sex should just mean whatever you feel. It should be redefined as gender. The social justice warriors, the woke left,

strongly disagrees that biology matters. We've said, and we've said it, interestingly enough, by linking arms together with radical feminists, self-described radical feminist, Women's Liberation Front, who said, wait a minute, what's happening here? We work so hard to protect women's, to give them an opportunity for fair play.

We believe that women that are incarcerated and women that are in domestic violence shelters should have their privacy protected. They shouldn't be forced to shower with men. These are real legal cases that are going on right now, both in sports, both in domestic violence shelters. There's two cases around the country right now, one in California, one in Alaska, Naomi's house. And it's so interesting that at this moment, the last, the law. left has gone so far that people within their own coalition are saying you have betrayed me

women are saying you have betrayed me so together with women's liberation front and concern women for america two groups who hardly agree on anything yeah the rallying front of the supreme court we did media and then we when the case was over when the the attorneys got done arguing they came before and spoke at our microphone and explain what happened that case won't be decided until the summer at the end of June and we'll be out there but it's really essential that our voices are heard in that case we filed amicus priests again arguing behalf of the uniqueness of women the dignity of women that must be respected in law because there's unintended consequences it feels nice to say yeah just let everybody do what they want to do but unfortunately women in prison

don't have a say on whether a man is put in the cell with them or not right and by the biologically, they're at an advantage if you're on a sports field. Selena Sol in Connecticut, who's a young woman who's a track and field star, who's spent most of her high school career winning. Suddenly two men are now competing in her state. And guess what? All the women lose. All the women lose because they have an unfair advantage.

That, by the way, Martina Navajovo has even addressed. Instead is cheating. So it's really interesting at this point in history, where we're seeing how far the other side is gone, that even people that don't necessarily agree with us are coming together to say, we have got to get some sanity here. Right, because it is resulting in not just the diminishment of what it means to be a woman, because no longer we can even define,

we can't even define what a woman is according to leftist standards. We can't define what a woman is. It's not just their diminishment and their disappearance, but it's also the exploitation of women. It's the possible abuse of women when you talk about women in prison cells and when you talk about women in shelters who need protection from certain men in that case. We're talking about the degradation, not just the diminishment of women. And I'm just confused, I guess.

I guess I just don't understand any feminist who does stand on the side of this. Why are they okay with a business? obscuring women altogether. Why are they okay with the exploitation of women? Do you have any kind of understanding? I have no answer for that, Allie. But this is what I know to be true. I'm older than you. And I know that it took a long time. Women before me worked really hard to teach women in my generation that that gut instinct that you have, that you're in danger, that you feel fearful, that you don't have to be nice. If a man makes you feel uncomfortable, It's okay to push back and say, stay away from me, cross the street, you know, leave an elevator.

Do whatever. Say something in a parking lot. Yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter if it hurts someone's feelings. Now we've gone the other way where we've said, you have no right. If a man walks into your dressing room, your locker room, your restroom, you're a bigot if you have a problem with it. I'm sorry, that makes me angry. As a woman who has lived through an assault, a physical assault and attempted rape, I've testified before Congress on the issue.

We fought hard on the Debbie Smith Act in order to clear up the DNA backlog. It makes me angry that people because of their re-education of society because they want things a certain way are willing to put women and children at risk. It's not right and we're not going to back down and we're going to speak into it immediately and loudly. And I think what people don't understand, but I know that you understand and concern women for America understand, is that really it's all, all of this is connected with this increase in godlessness as well that we see in society. Because you and I know that the creator of the universe made them male and female, and that's really obvious whether or not you believe in the Bible, just biologically speaking. But because we know human beings are made in the image of God, because we know that he purposed their bodies. for a certain function, we can recognize that this is going to end in chaos and confusion, that no, our bodies are not arbitrary.

It's not that your sex has no indication of your gender, that we were actually made a particular way for particular functions. And when we veer outside of that, there is chaos, there is injustice, there is abuse, there is exploitation, always when we go outside of God's standards. And so that's why I always emphasize on this podcast, Christians, the time is coming gone for you guys not to care about politics. The time is coming gone where you can sit back and just assume that your government leaders are going to base their decisions on the Bible. That's not happening anymore. Well, and there's real consequences if you don't speak up, by the way.

You know, the Christian groups, and we're fighting this on college campuses around the country. So we're saying to university students, if your teacher is forcing you to, you to, you're saying, identify your pronoun and this is happening by the way in order to test if you are being coerced and it is happening and I've written about it in the Federalist I would urge your viewers and listeners to read my piece in the Federalist on this definitely it is essential that we speak up because that has to do with Gnosticism and and sexual nihilism that's the philosophy underneath that and you can't just go along with it as a Christian because it is in direct conflict of

Christian principles and what the Bible says. Now, it doesn't mean you have to be mean. We should always be kind. Right. But we can speak truth, and we certainly need to speak truth to power, which is the school administrations. And so that's what we're trying to do. Equip our members and people who are interested in to have good statistics, science, information, talking to us in order to share something in a way that brings other

people to our side. Clearly, and you know this, of course, Allie, that there are people who struggle. There are people who struggle with the story. And we love them. We love them no matter what. Jesus died with them just like you die for me. We all have struggles in life. And we recognize that and we welcome them

to anything we do in our churches, in our homes, whatever that is. But we're talking about the policy of the U.S. We're talking about what we're teaching our kids in college, but also what we're teaching them in elementary school and younger. So this is really important because we cannot just ignore things that are in doing. direct conflict with biblical principles that is not even true science. Right. It's really shocking when the math and science schools like Virginia Tech bow to pressure

from the woke left and start to indoctrinate students with speech codes. We can't just ignore that. Yet we have 40 young women for America chapters around the country. They're taking this head on because they must. They must protect themselves and they must tell the truth to people. It's not kind to allow a lie to continue and to fester. I sometimes feel like we are, you know, in that story of the emperor has no clothes. Sometimes we're the little boy on the side of the parade saying he's naked.

The emperor is naked. He has no clothes on. And we refuse to pretend otherwise. Right. And we see that not saying something has consequences like you said. But for the next generation, there's this tragic case out of Texas that I know you've heard of the seven-year-old boy caught in a custody battle between the mom who insists that this boy who identifies as a boy as far as we know from the psychologist and the dad and friends.

This mom wants the boy to be a girl, to dress up like a girl, to go by the name of Luna. When this little boy is with his dad, he says, I'm a boy. My name is James and I dress like a boy and all of this stuff. And so unfortunately, it looks like the court is ruling in the mother's favor. this case for no other reason that I can see than political correctness and fearing the mob of the left who says, yes, as young as six and seven years old, we have to start this social transition that ends in hormone blockers and chemical castration because this kind of new social standard of gender bending is now what we all have to accept and celebrate.

anyone who stands in the way of that is wrong and is a bigot and must be stopped. And if we care about our children, go ahead. They're so punitive about it, right? You can't just have a disagreement somehow that makes you evil if you disagree. We would all do better if we can just take a minute and take a breath and recognize the statistics show that over 80% of kids that struggle when their kids grow out of it. Yeah, 75% to 95%. We're rendering these kids in first.

hurdle. We're inhibiting their their ability to develop. We're changing their vocal cords. And God help you if you're a young woman and you have top surgery and you change your mind. Because now we have people that are already detransitioning. This has been around the one. Right. And so, you know, the courts have got to start taking that into account. There was a case in Ohio where parents lost custody of their kid over this. Right. And so because the state said, no, she, you know, she wants to transition and she must. And they said, no, we're her parents. We think that's not the right thing.

We think she'll grow out of it. So this is complicated. It's not going away. But Christians don't do people, don't do anyone. Don't do our society. Don't do future generations any favors by just closing their eyes looking away and refusing to weigh into the hard facts and the hard issues of our day, whether it's abortion or other issues. Amen. Can you talk to us just a little bit about the Equality Act? I've talked about

this a little bit on my podcast, but I get questions about this all the time. And I get a lot of pushback, actually, from people saying, no, it's totally fine. You can be on the left side of the political aisle. You can be a mainstream Democrat and believe in the Bible and be a Christian. But that's getting increasingly impossible, especially when you look at legislation like the Equality Act. What are some of the effects that that piece of legislation could possibly have? It's exactly the same of what I just talked about with a court case. It's basically statutorily trying to do what the less trying to get to in the Harris case, and that is to redefine sex, to not mean male and female, but to mean anything. And so then, of course, it has implications for safety, privacy, and opportunity. I mean,

the few little set-asides that women have in business no longer will just be for women. So, you know, again, that's why, like, you know, you have people that are on the left and the right, and like, wait a minute, it sounds really good, but in practice, there's consequences and the people that lose are women. And so, you know, I understand that people, and I think that what people feel, you know, the most compassionate about, and they should, are employment cases. And let me just say, I'm not in favor of it. referring someone because of their sexual orientation or because of how they present or whatever,

but you do have to recognize that there's real life consequences to changing the law and redefining sex. And so it's really important that we take into account everything that's going to happen, all the fallout from it. And you don't get anywhere by penalizing women and denying the uniqueness of us, both, you know, biologically, physiologically, and, you know, reproductively. Yes, especially for, I mean, the implications for religious organizations, for private schools, for churches, for adoption centers are huge, are huge. And I think we saw this probably, this is a little bit of a different subject talking about the redefinition of marriage is not just between a man and a woman, but anyone of any gender or sex. Obergafel

really has precipitated a lot of this change. The sexual revolution has gone really fast. And we saw, when Obergefell said that marriage is a human right, no matter your sexual orientation, we saw that there was going to be conflict between that belief, which you are free to believe in this country, and religious liberty, that there was going to be tension, and we are seeing that come to blows right now. Right. So the Baronella-Stathsman case that's getting ready to book before the Supreme Court is the woman who, I believe that owns Arlene Flowers. I think I'm getting that all correct. And she was a florist. She had a long time. client that she loved. And she said, and she had, she had done flowers for him and during the courtship with

his now husband. And he, she knew, she continued to give him flowers. And then it came to their wedding. And he wanted her to do their wedding because she had been part of the courtship. And she said, you know what? I love you. And when this is all over, I hope you'll come back to me. But I can't be part of your wedding because of my Christian beliefs. But here's three other other florists who would love to do it. And I think it was actually the spouse that was the most upset about. it and put a post out in the next thing you know of course the ACLU has their case and now she's in court and she the woman has been harassed non-stop and she just simply wanted to live out her belief and not allow the government to compel her speech compel her art and and by the way

it is art what she does and we saw that similar case with the cake baker right who said look And by the way, the Colorado case of the cake baker, the owner of a masterpiece case, no one thinks that he doesn't mean it. Like, this is a guy who refuses to make Halloween cakes or bachelor party cakes. Like, he's very clear. He paints with a brush on his cakes. He hosts meetings for AA and his bakery and uses his bakery for all sorts of Christian ministry, cares for the homeless. Like this is a guy who's very sincere, and yet he's been harassed and is still being harassed by the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. So it, by the way, I can't, I know this, maybe this Scalia that predicted in a Virgin Felt that there would be consequences for believers.

Now we're trying to work out, what does that mean? Is there space for people who are by believing Christians in living out their faith in their workplace? We say yes, there is, and there must be. The First Amendment guarantees it. According to Beto O'Rourke, and really, in one sense or the other, I would say most, if not all of the Democratic candidates, no, there's really not a place they believe. Of course, we know there is, but they believe that there's not a place for Christians who actually believe the Bible, actually live out their faith in modern society. Sure, you can be functioning agnostic. and kind of believe in the Bible but reject most of its premises and just say, oh, you know, we can just tolerate everyone. But you can't be, you cannot be a Christian who follows, who follows biblical principles according to the left. You need to be silenced and demonized and your organization needs to have your taxes exempt status taken away. Oh, they would love that.

Yeah. That's not going to happen though. Are there any? First off, Beto, like, are you going to come back to Texas when this is all over because I really I think he's disgraced himself I don't know it's kind of confusing right but you're right it I mean the the whole you know it's amazing I don't recognize Joe Biden anymore he was a different guy when he was a senator and he's gone farther and farther to left they no longer supports the hide of amendment and he's crazy his position on so many things I don't even recognize him anymore but you but it's right there there's there's a group and and actually I don't think they're mainstream I think that the majority of people, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, recognize that people with sincerely

held beliefs need to be respected. And there needs to be a way to live that out in whatever venue you're in. You don't check your faith at the door when you walk into the schoolhouse or when you walk into your business is the hobby lobby case proved or whether you're the little sisters of the poor. You need to be able to live out your faith, whether it's through your business. the way you spend your money, I would say through your tax dollars, whether it's through how your art is spent and done or whatever you do. And the funny thing I think is, though, Allie, and I'd be just in what you say about this. I feel like they like it on some levels.

Like they want us to mean it when we read the Bible on some levels, but they, but not the parts that they disagree with. So they love it that Christians think we should care for the poor, that we should you know, build hospitals that we should care for orphans, that we should, you know, do all the things. The prison ministry even, even prison ministry. I work for prison fellowship ministries. And they didn't really even mind us like sharing the gospel in prison because it's people that were icky and they didn't care about them. But when it comes down to when you kind of get up against, against sort of the leftist ideology, they just wants to be quiet. And then you have people

who have among us, who are even our elk that say, yeah, I think we should just be quiet. We can't say anything. Right. I think that they're okay with Christians caring for the poor as long as the means by which Christians care for the poor is voting for bigger government and higher taxes on the rich. That's the kind of, quote, generosity, which is not generosity at all because it's coerced. That's the kind of so-called Christianity that they think is correct. Communism in a lot of senses is what many people, not all, but many people on the left view as Christian is really taking the wealth from the top and giving it to the bottom. They don't really believe for the most part that individuals are responsible for charity and

taking care of other people that kind of diminishes their whole totalitarian worldview. I've got one more question for you. Can you tell everyone who may not be aware what the Trump administration has done in the way of religious liberty that Christians should care out. So much. For one thing, and this is not a small thing, they have liberated and worked on behalf of Christians that are imprisoned around the world. Mike Pompeo and the president have worked, whether it's Pastor Brunson in Turkey, or whether it's Aja Bibi in Pakistan, or there's a pastor now in China, Pastor Kow who's being imprisoned. Christians in North Korea, they have been relentless. and advocating for them, but also for our First Amendment rights, through executive order on campuses.

They have entered into court cases on our behalf, unlike the Obama administration who did the opposite. Yeah. Whether, you know, the masterpiece cake. So they have been very clear on the position of the Trump administration, really taken the position that we've just talked about, that is our First Amendment rights to practice our faith no matter where we are in this country. We must do it with kindness. We must do it with charity. But also, we still have values that we must protect and we must have the ability to live that out in our day-to-day life.

And the term administration has been a champion. Did I mention the Duke case? Duke University just kicked young life off their campus because of their position on marriage. We're going to see more and more of that, right? There's going to be more and more of these cases. Again, Christians need to understand, read up if you don't understand, come to our website, read things that you've written and others, Allie, and just really understand and be able to lean in and advocate strongly for our position.

We are on the right side, and we must speak up for ourselves. Nobody else is going to do it. And by the way, whether you're a Christian or whether you're a Buddhist, whether you're Muslim, whether you're Uyghur, religious freedom is a first freedom in the United States, and we have to stand firmly in favor of it. Yes. Can you tell everyone where they can find you and Concern Women for America? Concernwomen.org.

You can also follow us on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram, and, you know, we just are so appreciative of what you're doing. Thank you so much for having us, Allie. And I just, again, I love your podcast. you do a great job. Thank you. And thank you for everything that you do. It makes a huge impact, and I'm very grateful for it. Thanks for joining me. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Alley, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles,

faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. we ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.